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Is Nightcrawler A Captain Save A H*e?? (X-Men '97 Season 2 Episode 7 Review Feat. Rob Markman) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: Even back in the day racism. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: It was like it was called a you you a
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  Speaker 2: fake half sympathy, right, It would be like tongue in
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  Speaker 2: cheek sympathy or whatever, because you couldn't get up in
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  Speaker 2: front of a nation or in front of a group
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  Speaker 2: of people, would just be like this group of people
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  Speaker 2: deserve to day and and and and he was on it.
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  Speaker 3: And what's up, y'all? And welcome to a very special
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  Speaker 4: Next up back in the Spaceship, and as always I
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  Speaker 5: Hi everyone, It's Portia aka X Men's Rogue one ak
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  Speaker 4: Those last two ones always refuse me, but I know
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  Speaker 4: people out there fully understand them. So as we welcome
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  Speaker 4: our very special guests, first time here on the spaceship,
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  Speaker 4: a legend, the one and only mister Rob Markman, please.
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  Speaker 2: Let the people know who you are. Hey, what's up man,
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  Speaker 2: Rob Markman aka to Chris clam And and Hip Hop ak A.
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  Speaker 2: Robert Drake, the original Iceman before the rec coon, and
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  Speaker 2: they you know what, We're not even gonna get into that.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, welcome the original Bobby Drake himself.
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  Speaker 6: Bobby Drake.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, O G. Bobby Drake. Like that, Bobby Drake? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I like that.
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  Speaker 4: There we go omega mute and welcoming you too the spaceship.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome Rob, thank you for joining us. We are here
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  Speaker 4: to discuss X Men ninety seven, y'all, Season two, episode seven.
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  Speaker 4: This is Strange Land Savage Heart that I get it right, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: that's the one, okay, because it's a sequel, well, at
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  Speaker 4: least I thought it was a sequel to X Men.
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  Speaker 4: The animated series had two episodes called Strange Heart Savage Land, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think so. Yeah, it was a two parter that
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  Speaker 4: featured the Savage Land, and so I actually rewatched those
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  Speaker 4: episodes before this one thinking that they would tie in.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a bit of tie in.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it had the history of what
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  Speaker 4: happened before, like with Sinister and the Savage Land and
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  Speaker 4: all that, but beyond that, this was a completely different story.
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  Speaker 4: So Rob, since you're our special guest, what did you
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  Speaker 4: think of this episode?
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  Speaker 3: Overall?
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  Speaker 1: I thought the episode was good.
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  Speaker 2: One my favorite episode of the series, you know, centered
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  Speaker 2: around Nightcrawler. Of course, I know, people, I know there's
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  Speaker 2: a big Nightcrawler fandom. I'm not the biggest Night Crawler
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  Speaker 2: fan home. You know what I'm saying off the top
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  Speaker 2: off the time, I'm just saying, I'm just I'm just
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  Speaker 2: I'm just keeping it honest.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I want to see a little more storm
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  Speaker 1: in these episodes. But now, it was a good episode, man.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think what it's setting up for the series,
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  Speaker 2: particularly I mean spoilers, no spoiler at the end, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Where we see X Force in
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  Speaker 2: the end and and you know, picking up from the
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  Speaker 2: last episode and they find the Charred cards, So what
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  Speaker 2: happened again? Bit like like the payoff is on its way.
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  Speaker 2: But now, you know, I thought it was a good episode.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, Okay for sure, I.
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  Speaker 6: Am yeah, I was down with the episode.
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  Speaker 5: I think it brought up some very good like moral
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  Speaker 5: questions and quandaries.
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  Speaker 6: I think it.
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  Speaker 5: Kurt is always interesting to me because he's always kind
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  Speaker 5: of giving you a little bit of exposition, like brother,
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  Speaker 5: sister and another time on how he talks just general
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  Speaker 5: like you know, my brother and my strength kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 6: I get it.
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  Speaker 5: But I think we've heard a justent amount about Mistique
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  Speaker 5: and how she's been a wayvered mother, and so for
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  Speaker 5: that for her to be part of the story without
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  Speaker 5: being in the story was like interesting to see like
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  Speaker 5: that we talked about since of the father last episode,
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  Speaker 5: and then you were seeing sins of the both parents,
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  Speaker 5: Like it's both sabre tooth and mystique having some like
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  Speaker 5: you know, responsibility for why things are the way they
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  Speaker 5: are currently between these different factions.
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  Speaker 6: I guess we could say.
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  Speaker 5: So I like that we're you know, we're kind of
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  Speaker 5: getting in there. We're not just saying surface level.
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  Speaker 6: We're going into deep trauma.
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  Speaker 5: For the most part, which I think that's X Men overall, right,
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  Speaker 5: Like trauma's all part of.
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  Speaker 3: It without a shadow of it out X Men.
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  Speaker 4: Like I've been saying, I've been rereading the Claremont issues
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  Speaker 4: of X Men, and they're just a pure soap opera
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  Speaker 4: from day one and throughout the whole run. It's always
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  Speaker 4: a soap opera. It's always drama and trauma. That's pretty
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  Speaker 4: much what s Men is all about. And this wasn't
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  Speaker 4: my favorite episode of the season as well. I'm actually
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  Speaker 4: a big Night Caller fan. I always love him because
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  Speaker 4: of all the moral issues he provides and the fact that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he's this dude who looks like a demon
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  Speaker 4: but it's a devout Catholic and the issues that's around that.
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  Speaker 4: And on top of that, he's this mutant, you know,
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  Speaker 4: who is faced with all the everything, his mama issues,
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  Speaker 4: his daddy issues, everything that comes around Nightcrawler. And in fact,
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  Speaker 4: the new cannon of Night Caller is that Mystique is
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  Speaker 4: actually his daddy and Destiny is his mother. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 4: the new cannon. And that's actually what Claremont always wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do. Before anyone, you know, throws a little hissy fit,
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  Speaker 4: that's what Claremont always wanted to do, but Marvel wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: allow him to do it. Back in the day, Claremont
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  Speaker 4: was constantly trying to push the boundaries with sex and
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  Speaker 4: sexuality and gender and everything around it, and Marvel would
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  Speaker 4: not allow a lot of it, So a lot of
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  Speaker 4: it was subtle and what he.
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  Speaker 3: Could get away with. Bit, but they've changed.
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  Speaker 4: That now I know that is Cannon now is the
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  Speaker 4: Mystique is actually is his dad and Destiny is actually
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  Speaker 4: his mother.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that Nightcrawler for that reason, I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: definitely is is a dope character. He's really the kind
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  Speaker 2: of the moral compass you know of it all. But
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  Speaker 2: Nightcrawler aka don't save and they don't want to be saved?
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  Speaker 2: Like like, that's that's how I felt the whole episode,
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  Speaker 2: like don't say and we don't want to be saved.
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  Speaker 4: Doug, Like that's this whole season, right because last we
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  Speaker 4: were saying this last week. The last week was about somebody,
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  Speaker 4: you know, trying to be saved who didn't want to
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  Speaker 4: be saved. And once again, yeah, so some of the
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  Speaker 4: things that I definitely want to talk about this week
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  Speaker 4: and the first one up because this one, I mean
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  Speaker 4: I was on Reddit immediately after search for answers and
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  Speaker 4: why how could you do this to me? Eleanna resputing
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  Speaker 4: Colossus's younger sister, the demon sorceress Queen Princess of Limbo,
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  Speaker 4: is dead and for the time being at least you
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  Speaker 4: know in X Men, Paul Anson world seems to be
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  Speaker 4: dead dead, like right now, she is dead dead. I
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  Speaker 4: went on read it afterwards and there was an old
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  Speaker 4: tweet from Bo Demayo where he just said that, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Eleana was killed in Jenosha and whatever you know, they
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  Speaker 4: keep from his storyline he wasn't sure about. But in
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  Speaker 4: his storyline, she was dead dead, and it was about
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  Speaker 4: the effect that it would have on Colossus, and that
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  Speaker 4: the last part of that is he didn't want to
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  Speaker 4: recreate the legacy virus.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the legacy virus.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't want to recreate that storyline. And in that storyline,
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  Speaker 4: Eleana does die.
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  Speaker 3: I was tight magic.
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  Speaker 4: Elana is one of my favorite characters, and especially in
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  Speaker 4: the more recent X Men comments, she was killing it.
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  Speaker 4: And so I hate to see her go out like this.
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  Speaker 4: I hate it. I hate to see it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you really ain't got to see her in
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  Speaker 1: action neither much.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think she's First of all, they're
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  Speaker 2: talking about they want this to go on for ten seasons,
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  Speaker 2: Like yes, if it would actually last that long, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we will see nothing last for ten seasons anymore. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think this is a mindu set back
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  Speaker 2: for a major comeback. I think that's how you set
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  Speaker 2: up the story because because even you know, look, even
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  Speaker 2: even in the in the comics, in her original canon,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, them thinking she was dead in Limbo, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I think it just makes.
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  Speaker 3: Her a more powerful character.
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  Speaker 2: So I think she's dead for this season, maybe dead
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  Speaker 2: for the next, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: But she's so much of a fan favorite that I
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  Speaker 2: mean that there's gonna be a grand kind of return
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  Speaker 2: and she's just gonna come back and see a badass
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  Speaker 2: because we ain't see it in Badass Mold yet, Like,
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  Speaker 2: and she's.
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  Speaker 3: One of those ones, one of those ones, and we
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  Speaker 3: didn't see it.
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  Speaker 4: The closest we got to see it was earlier this
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  Speaker 4: season or last season. I think it was more transforms
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  Speaker 4: into her dark child form.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got to see that real quick.
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  Speaker 4: But we never got to see any of that because
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  Speaker 4: in the original animated series, she was just a little
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  Speaker 4: young girl and we never even got to see any
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  Speaker 4: of the connection to Limbo, any of the magic stuff.
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  Speaker 4: This is the first time we see her teleport. I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: for real, for real.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I think this plays into it, like
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  Speaker 2: it might be like, you know, we might get a
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  Speaker 2: fall of the Mutants type story. You know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how much that bouncing back and forth between the
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  Speaker 2: actual timeline of when it happened in the comics, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it does set up maybe that limbo type of story
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  Speaker 2: that that that you know, that Claremont gave us in
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  Speaker 2: the eighties when Silvestri was on it. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I could see it. She's coming back. Man,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way she's dead dead.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, y'all are giving me game on magic.
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  Speaker 5: Like I remembered her being a child, That's all I
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  Speaker 5: really remember of her. So like, whenever I saw the
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  Speaker 5: scene where like cross there, I'm just I was just
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  Speaker 5: kind of.
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  Speaker 6: Like, Okay, I don't know. I guess it's clear sister,
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  Speaker 6: clearly he feels away.
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  Speaker 5: But I kind of was picking up on the fact
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  Speaker 5: that because this seemed to fill a way about her
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  Speaker 5: death as well. So I was like, is there a
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  Speaker 5: relationship between Exodus and Elana because.
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  Speaker 6: The way that he I don't know if he was just.
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  Speaker 5: Using it against Colossus whenever the trial was happening, and
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  Speaker 5: he was like, your sister would not have liked did
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  Speaker 5: this or whatever, or like he literally like he had
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  Speaker 5: a relationship with her where he was like, nah, we
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  Speaker 5: ain't playing that. Like I wondered where that was coming from,
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  Speaker 5: Like did she have some sort of relationship with Exodus?
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  Speaker 6: What was that about? Do you think?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if she had ever had a relationship
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  Speaker 4: with Exodus. In the comics, her and Colossus have a
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  Speaker 4: very love hate relationship at times in the comics and
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  Speaker 4: at times I mean super hate like and then super
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  Speaker 4: love as well, So I think Exodus might have just
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  Speaker 4: been using more of that. One issue I did take
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  Speaker 4: like with the writing and the whole you know, they
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  Speaker 4: don't want to be saved. Is Colossus at the end
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  Speaker 4: saying that Magic would have saved Grade and Creed.
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe that for a second.
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  Speaker 4: Like Magic's character from the eighties, from when she was
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  Speaker 4: part of the New Mutants and young, like she was
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  Speaker 4: raised in a demon realm. I don't know how much
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  Speaker 4: of that they're keeping because like we haven't seen any
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  Speaker 4: of that, But if they don't, it really neuters her character.
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  Speaker 4: We have seen the Dark Child and that is part
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  Speaker 4: of her character, so they can't not do it.
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  Speaker 3: So she is a woman who is not about that,
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  Speaker 3: like she.
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  Speaker 4: Used to toss randoms into limbo, which is basically hell,
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  Speaker 4: like random enemies. She was just like, all right, I'm
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  Speaker 4: done with you, you know, red shirts, out of here red Shirts.
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  Speaker 4: So someone like grat and Creed. No, she's throwing him
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  Speaker 4: right to hell or cutting his head off.
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  Speaker 1: Not yet, but it might be that the character isn't
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  Speaker 1: fully developed yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it made it series and then it could
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  Speaker 2: be a setup again for Colossus knowing his sister and knowing, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she would have spared him. And when she does eventually
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  Speaker 2: come back, she comes back as a different person than
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  Speaker 2: he knew because the other very and the trouble I
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  Speaker 2: had with the death scene of her and that something
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  Speaker 2: like that's setting up another story is because she's not helpless,
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  Speaker 2: and she's sit there helpless, like like if she's going out,
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  Speaker 2: she would have went out swinging it. And granted she
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  Speaker 2: went and saved somebody, yep. And but when that sensinel
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  Speaker 2: blast was coming, there's no just standing there and waiting
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  Speaker 2: for it to happen, Like she's kind of taking the
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  Speaker 2: fight to you. So she seemed also like a different
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  Speaker 2: softer character in that moment, and maybe it's setting it
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  Speaker 2: up for her to go through her trials and tribulations
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  Speaker 2: and then become the character that we all like, knowing love.
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  Speaker 3: I could see that. I could definitely see that.
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  Speaker 4: I also think because I've already seen that online where
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  Speaker 4: people are comparing it to Pa Kent, where you know,
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  Speaker 4: Pa stands there in front of the tornado and gets
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  Speaker 4: ate up and always thought that was so super silly
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  Speaker 4: and dumb. But I think this is more of Colossus's
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  Speaker 4: recreation of the events in his mind, like he sees
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  Speaker 4: it in that slow motion. It's not that she just
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  Speaker 4: stood there looking at him and everything. I think she
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  Speaker 4: gets vaporized instantly, and he just sees it like I
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  Speaker 4: could have saved my sister, you know, but there was
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  Speaker 4: no saving her, like you know, this whole episode again,
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  Speaker 4: this whole season. You know, they don't want to be saved,
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  Speaker 4: and she didn't want to be saved, like she wanted
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  Speaker 4: to go off to Limbo and hopefully come back in
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  Speaker 4: season five.
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  Speaker 3: Because yeah, we're.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna be rare about parking though one thing he could
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  Speaker 2: do wait wait no, no parka park was gonna get
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: tore up.
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  Speaker 3: No bro, no cant did not need to buy Like.
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  Speaker 1: Where that old man was gonna go.
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  Speaker 3: It was just why was he going over there in
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  Speaker 3: the first place.
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  Speaker 4: He has a wife, faun the whole idea, Okay, I
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: can't reveal my son to the world.
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  Speaker 3: I get that, but what about your wife? Dog, Like
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  Speaker 3: you just don't be like dude is.
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  Speaker 2: My might might have been the only set that the mession,
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  Speaker 2: like Paul camp was up there, dog like, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: There was other things going on with Paul camp Man.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe he thought he was doing it for her. He
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: was like, you know what, I am just holding her down.
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  Speaker 6: I am dragging her. Let me just go on and
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  Speaker 6: take it out. I got out right here from let's go.
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  Speaker 1: I was just saying.
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  Speaker 3: It was the Koworkian pocket or in themselves. Listen, Jesus, he.
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  Speaker 1: Was on his way out one way or another.
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  Speaker 6: Man, that's a quicker way to go. If it's the
• 14:31
  Speaker 6: bench just setting in, nobody want to be around for that.
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  Speaker 3: Let me just oh.
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: Pack Can took the opposite of wall to why he
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: got the cancer diagnosis and was like, all right, time to.
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  Speaker 3: Go, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me be a model man. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you know, set it off man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, set it off for Superman.
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  Speaker 4: Right, oh oh god, all right, well got dark, he
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: got really dark, a little darker. I will say I'm
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: happy that Eleanna did not have any time to be
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: a racist. I don't know how many of y'all seen
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: the New Mutants movie, but she is a wildly racist
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  Speaker 4: in that movie for some reason. I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: it's just because the writers think of Russians and they
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: think are racist, you know I've heard, but she is
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  Speaker 4: wildly racist in that movie.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever see that one?
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  Speaker 6: Wrong?
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  Speaker 1: And automatically forgot it?
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  Speaker 3: It was like, it's actually not terrible and she's really
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: good as magic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, other than the racism, the racism part of it, other.
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  Speaker 3: Than the racism. But yeah, it's not movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I like demon there from the racism. The
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  Speaker 1: demon Bear storyline.
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  Speaker 4: The original demon Bear storyline in the comics so I
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: talked about has has some wild racism where some white
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: people get turned into indigenous. Claremont, Yeah, people forget. I'm
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: about to do a video on that cause people forget
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  Speaker 4: how Chris Claremont turned some white people indigenous.
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  Speaker 1: Look, it.
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  Speaker 3: Happened, it wasn't though, it was not that different. It's
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: not that different.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of racism, one thing I did appreciate about this
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  Speaker 4: episode was the fact that they continue to compare the
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Friends of Humanity grading Creed's whole you know, crew and
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: his whole movement to Mega, Like we see a red
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: hat dude holding a no More Muty sign at one point,
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: so it's you know, dead on.
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: That's a genocidal sector there.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know, it's funny.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I was watching it and remembering and kind of going
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: back to the original animated series and political and tones
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: that were in that series as well, and kind of
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: thinking like, well, man, back then, it was probably hard
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: to imagine. I was like, nobody like this could ever
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: run for president, you know what I'm saying. And then
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: when I when I'm watching this and I'm like, wow,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: this this imitates life.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: This is so it's.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: So trump coded, and you know, watching as a kid,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: it was like, oh, this is but this has never happened,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Like this can never happen. And then really really seeing
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: this unfolding real time and singing on the screen and
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: it was like, oh, this is strangely accurate.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, the ed spend once again,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Chris Claarmont had a dark future. You know, the day
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: is the future past where he distressed sentinels and concentration
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: camps in America and here.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: We are, especially the part when he was like me,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I mean it was so trump coded when talking about
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: genotion and him talking about like the mutants deserving to die.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: It was like, yo, how even back in the day.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Racism, you know what I'm saying, It was like it
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: was coded, you a fake have sympathy, right, it would
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: be like tongue in cheek sympathy or whatever, because you
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: couldn't get up in front of a nation or in
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: front of a group of people, would just be like
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: this group of people.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Deserve to die.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: And and and he was on it grade and Creed
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: was on it. I was like, wow, how strangely realistic.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: M Well, we've always I feel like people have always
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: said that like what's going on behind closed doors or whatever?
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: We know, like what we were getting in the public
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: pace versus what was going on behind close doors.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: And that was the thing is that like.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: They used to actually put on a show instead of
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: opening up the closed door. And even now it's like
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: we're getting we're getting what we're getting.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: And there's probably even.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Worse behind the door, and so that was like, like
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: what hit me on that is well one when you're
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: saying like back in the day, whenever watching it as
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: a kid, like oh, this could never happen. I think
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: as a kid we had way more faith in adults
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: than they really needed to have, because there is so
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: much like I remember like getting history class and being like, oh,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: like we're learning this, that'll never happen again, and then
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: it's like.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: Oh, we're some people are learning that. Some people are
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: learning like, oh, they deserved it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: They've always been learning that everyone who gets something bad
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: deserves that bad thing. So like here we I just
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: so many levels of that. But what stood out to
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: me for this episode in particular was how those extremists
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: were shown as extra dreamist counter to like the Acolytes
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: of Magneto, and how like in the in this episode
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: right here they didn't even act the call created an extremist,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: but they do openly call the acolytes extremist, and they basically,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: like I brought up last episode, how polaris like they're
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: what are those the religious.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: Group but the religious the pureifiers?
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: But whenever the purifiers like whatever they were going against
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Polaris and they were going for the kill shop for Polarius,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: and Polarius is like they're trying to.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Take me out.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: I like, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go on and
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: just do it like I'm take them out too. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: think that's something that is interesting. It's kind of like
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Minority Report. Whenever you're trying to something preemptively, like you
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: know that they want to kill you, they vocalize that
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: they want to kill you. Anytime they the opportunity to
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: kill you, they're going to kill you. And who sent
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: the sentinels?
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: Remind who did who did that?
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Striker who is part of the Friends of Humanity. I'm
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: not one hundred sure how we're's in the show, but
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: trash trash trash, Yeah, Oliver, the Trash family is the
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Strikers from God Loves Man Kills.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: He's the priest who hates mutants. Yay.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: So I feel like they convoluted that with the movie.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: The live action.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, was like the government and the hate mutants. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: he was the wolverine dude.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: Okay, Now I'm like that's clear. I'm like there's so
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: man different things.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: So, but like they these are they had government power
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: that government funding for all of that, for not just hate,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: but for openly for genocide. And when the athletes a
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Mundo come in and they're like, oh, we're just going
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: to go on and like blastom. We don't care where
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: the cameras are. We're just gonna like get and we're
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: going to take create hostage. Then all all the news
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: and everybody's up in arms about like, oh these extremists,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: and so I like, for like, it's very ironic to
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: be wearing the like Magneto is right shirt because like
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: his whole thing is that the humans can't be trusted,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: and like though everything that Exager has been preaching is like, well,
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: we're mutants. We have to be at a higher regard
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: because we have powers, and.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Like they don't.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: They don't, like they're just do they're moving knowing that
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: they have their less power than we are. But anytime
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: they have opportunity for power, they're going to the extreme.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: And whenever the mutants just do a basic thing in
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: retaliation or preemptively, then they're held as the extremists and
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: the humans because they don't have powers. They're like, well
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: there were humans, why would you fight against the humans?
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: And I just dislike that continuing to be like it's
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: true to life, and I hate that.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: It's truely life.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: That there's always like you have to be the better
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: person because you have, uh, you have certain.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: Abilities, but that doesn't really mean anything.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: If someone who's supposed to have less than you is
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: actually utilizing everything they can to get rid of you.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: Like, that's two different patterns of like movement there.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like Graad and Creed, I thought one of the
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: ill lines was when he says, you're humanity, you know,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: you have none like they don't, you know, he does
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: not look at the mutants as humans. And like you said,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of people have been distressing us already. Is
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the fact that Nightcrawler won't actually you know, just end
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Braden or won't let And I love that Polaris is
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: immediately you know, Bishop and Polaris together ready to immediately
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: end them, no problem. It's that thing, you know, Oh no,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: but that's the X Men that is always I guess
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: part of their conundrum is that they're heroes and they
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: protect the world that fears and hates them, and they're
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: always like, oh, we can't reduce ourselves to.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: You know them.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: I do love that the show has already shown though,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: because this is something I really loved, and the difference
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: between the comments has shown how Cables Unit X Force
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: is willing to just dead people up because in the comics,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: X Force always said they were, especially back in the nineties,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: but they never really did. So this is, you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: a great difference to see them just really getting rid
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: of people. And I think they would have just dealt
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: with Great and Creed instead of going through all this
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: because in the end of it, now Exitus is dead
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: and Great and Creed is still alive.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: And that's but that goes.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: To that whole quote that you know, Nightcrawler quotes to
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: him as well, about none of us can understand God's grace.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: So and we'll talk that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Nightcrawler pushed to his limit, right, I mean, granted they
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: found him, but teleported him by himself to the snow
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and left him there on some to me that was
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that was like, all right, if it's God's will that
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you'll survive this and then somehow make it out, then
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: so be it, and that's his mercy. But there was
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a part of that too that I felt like, oh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you could also die here.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exposure alone could have killed yes.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And and so even to whatever his limit is, right, Like,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: it felt like night Crawler was was pushed to his
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: limit as well, even though his limited is way you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: if it's on the scale of things, it's like, you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: way more merciful, you know what I'm saying, way more understanding.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: But but you know that that felt extreme even for Nightcrawler,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you know, did you?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: And I love that The quote that he leaves him
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: with is like it's basically it sums up the whole
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: argument that he had for like why Creed is the
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: way that he is.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: He was like, I'm.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Gonna grant you this that you are your parents' son.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: And I feel like that was the biggest, biggest.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Uno reverse that only like a sibling can provide, because like, ooh,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: like you've been your whole life. You've been mad because
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: you weren't a mutant, but your parents were, and you've
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: seen them their disregard of you being because you weren't
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: a mutant, and you've always held a chip on your
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: shoulder because of that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: But no matter what.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: You do, like your whole journey, you've been just like
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: your parents, regardless of your status of human or a mutant,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: You've been exactly the product of that environment that your
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: parents gave you.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: And I think only a.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Sibling can dig you that way because they know exactly
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: who your parents are, Like they've seen the side of
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: them that you've seen. So like I feel like that,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: like the Creed's face after that, like, yeah, that was
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: the limit of Kurt's mercy, but he still gave him
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: an it a little dig while he was out there.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah, You're gonna have to live with that, you know.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And and we got a little break from this in
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the previous episode in episode six when they were talking
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: to saber Tooth and Creed who brought him up? And
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I think it was maybe Morph Creed had had had
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: had had come up great and Creed had come up
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the saber Tooth was like, oh, I should have kill
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: him when when I had the chance.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Yep, you know what I'm saying.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So so we even still Sabertooth is still like, nah, like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: if it was up to me, I would have killed
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: my own son, which is which shows the Monster and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: sable Tooth like like this is just kind of no
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: redemption for any of these you know what I'm saying.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: And it's also what Morph said the sable tooth. He's like,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: when they told me that Graaton with your son, I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: couldn't see it, but now yeah, I fully get it
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: because he's like, yeah, you're a monster. Your son's a monster,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: both of your monsters. Also, the quote that night Caller
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: says to him when he first took Greater, when he
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: first heel ports them out for the snow, is the
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: you can conceived, nor can I of the appalling strangeness
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: of the mercy of God. And it comes from grand
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Green's Bright and Rock. It's a novel that's I read
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: about the novel. I've never read it myself. It's quite
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: an interesting novel. And that's from one of the last
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: pages when a woman is talking to this priest and
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: he's explaining her that even someone like a murderer, you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: can be absolved by God. And so that's what he
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: tells him right before he does leave him. He's like,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: God might forgive you, but no I don't. And I
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: think that line, like you said, Rob, is like you
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: got to live with that. Like he tells him that
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: in private, but that's something that will go on to
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: his public because everywhere he goes he has to member
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I am the son of these people who
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I'm claiming to hate everything, and I'm just like them.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: And I also think that's Kurt saying, you know, you
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: might be my brother, but I am not my brother's
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: keeper from here on out. Like I ain't got nothing
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: to do with you. You are my parents' son. I've
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: moved on from them, you know, like I am not
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: them you are. So I think that's a bandon of
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Creed where whatever else happens with Creed, Nightcrawlers washed his
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: hands on them.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I like this episode one now, No, the more you
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: dig into it because like this is the first episode
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: where that I think I remember where we see Nightcrawler
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: wearing the priest Trawler and so that was you know
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: where it's like Nightcrawlers fully embrace his faith. You know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: he's all the way in and that's why you know
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: he does do what he does, I mean, do what
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: you do in this episode. And I also love because
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: this goes back to what you were saying Porte, like
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how you raise and the same things
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: that can be used to free you can be used
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: to enslave you. Like both of them quote the same
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Psalm to each other, like grading the Nightcrawler both quoted.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: They both know it, you know, chapter.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And verse as they say, but one of them is
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: a hater and one of them is a lover. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: you know it's the same book that inspires both of them.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Oh that's got chills. So I grew up in the church.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know about yah. I grew up you know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: in a Southern Baptist you know, we Avenue Baptist Church
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: every Sunday, and I was there multiple days a week,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: so that, you know, the church's.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Heavy on me. And yeah, that was interesting.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I also, I think it's interesting seeing him in the
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Catholic priest because in the comics, like I said, Night
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Caller is pure much a lover. You know, he might
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: be Catholic, but he is definitely not a priest, because
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: my man is a lover. Like one of my favorite
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: relationships in the comics is him and Amanda Sefton, who
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: is a magical sorceress.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, we'll see.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I don't think, you know, Night Callers they're making him
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: like Celibrate or any of that. We'll see how they
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: go with it. But I found it interesting to see
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: him actually in the priest caller this.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Episode, Yeah, I'm Tennessee and went to like a very
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: random denomination of church.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: But right now, but.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Anytime I see like the Bible, like even like sad
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I've lived up north for so long and have become
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: a heathen just not attend church service. I think it's
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: interesting every time I see an example of like people
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: taking words.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: And interpreting as like what is already on their.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Heart and being aware of the difference of like someone's
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: gonna you could say right now every single thing you
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: mean about what you're saying. You could say, I'm saying
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: that the sky is blue, and I mean the sky's
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: blue because X, Y Z reason and someone else is
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: going to read to hear all of that, and I'd
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: be like, well, what I actually think he meant was
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: boom boom, boom boom, And that's just on whatever is
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: on their head, was in their heart what they feel
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: like interpreting, interpreting about a thing.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: So to have Kurt and Creed both have.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: These own their own kind of ways of like how
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: we're going to say things out from something that we're interpreting.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Like that's how evangelists work, that's how any religion works.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: That's how any even just like us talking about like
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: the show or any show, like we're all interpreting it
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: in our own ways. We're all come and get with
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: from our own experiences. We all know why, like we
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: have our.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Own reasons for white restinining things away we see them
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: someone else who watches Matt.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: That's what gets me the most, I think is whenever
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: someone who's like conservative see something that we everyone kind
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: of all sees as liberal as property or art, and
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: they interpret it in a way that's like, oh no,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: this is about me, and it's like, I don't know
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: how you got there, but okay.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I mean what I mean, Like a conservative can watch
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: x N ninety seven and they'll just see, you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: somebody beating up on bad guys and boom pretty colors
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: and you know powers and all that stuff, and they'll
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: ignore all that. They'll they will literally ignore you know, everything,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: or they'll just call it woke and won't watch it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: They'll definitely call it woke.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot of them are watching it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: X N ninety seven is a massive hit, so massive
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: that it can't not just be leftists and liberals watching.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Everyone is watching this show I mean.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Moderates are able to hold a little bit of both
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: and be like, oh I understand this and that, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: you're like, but you're moving a certain way.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: So I look at most moderates as Nazis.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: So I mean, you're not wrong.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: You know, centrism in the time of Fastism is cowardice.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: So that's all I got to say on that. Yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: how do y'all feel about Exodus? I don't know if
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: y'all know about Exodus. I know Rob, you know, I
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: know you were in the nineties reading these troublements of
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Exodus is right there.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: It was dope to see him portray that. I also
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: don't think he's dead. I think Exodus is too dope
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: of a character to be like, we're just gonna kill
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: him all not this season, but you know, I can
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: kind of see him coming back. But you know, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: thought it was a pretty true depiction to the comic
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: book as well, because he was an extremist. Because even
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: with Magneto, Magneto being the X Men's greatest villain, I mean,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: we we've seen the totality of Magneto, the Journey of Magneto.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: We've seen him at his worst, We've seen him at
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: his best and and there's a complication with that, you know,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: saying but you know, I think you also need true
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: villains and comic books to make it work. Like everybody can't,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: you know, somebody, somebody has to be above.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Redemption.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I thought saying excid this was great.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: It just kind of took me back, you know, to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the nineties. And I think it's it's stayed true too
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: to kind of who he was, or at least with
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: that first story arc of when we first seen him.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: People have been already complaining, of course, because they think
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: he is dead and for those who don't know about that,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: to this, he is like Omega level telekinetic teleporter. He's
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: not immortal SBC. He can be killed, but he's long lived,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: like he's been around since ancient times. He was one
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: of Apocalypse's first disciples. Yeah, yeah, like he's you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: he's that. To this, he is you know, he's always
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: following someone. He's following Apocalypse and he follows Madneto, you know.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: But he is a faithful servant of whoever he believes.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Is like about that life and he is about the
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: mutant life and all that. So people are like, how
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: can he just get shot, you know, when he's a
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: telepath and TELECONNECTICU and autis, but he was paying attention
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: to Nightcrawler, et cetera. So I can see him getting shot.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know about you know, getting killed like that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: But I also know, just like how they killed Yanna
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: in this episode, whether or not they rest rect either
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: one of them. There's a lot of mutants in X
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Men comics, you know, and even if you do ten seasons,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: it's hard to focus on all of these characters.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So the truth is, and I think in the writing,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I think the truth is. I think they haven't figured
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: it out yet. Like when they can figure out an
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: art where they want to bring Exitus back, yeah, just
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: rewrite it and be like, of course he wasn't dead. Yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because of his powers, you know.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So I don't get too wrapped into that, because because
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: really right, and you notice Man as someone who creates
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: and has written stories, like you kind of deal with
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: us in front of you, like like you may have a.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Plan, a loose plan, but those plans.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Could all also subject to change, like you know, the
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: writers are the creators, so they commend this that they will,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: so when they need excessus come back, they'll bring them back.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: True, Indeed, I have.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: A question, I guess, but I mean it's like about
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: the philosophy of Magneto as like Exodus is putting it
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: out right. So his argument is that the acolytes should
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: basically act as a judge, jury, and executioner.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: Do you believe.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: That it's like the right stance to have in this world? Like,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: is he like right to hold that as his credo,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: especially as like the level mutant he is and the
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: way that the acolytes are moving or do you think
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: he's is he warping the word of Magneto especially you
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: have to We've seen where Magneto kind of ends up
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: by the time we catch up with him this season.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Right, It goes back to what you said though, like
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: about the Bible and night Rowland create quote, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: reciting the Bible and.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Magneto in this analogy, is the Bible is the word?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yep, He's just taking the side of it that that
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: supports whoever Exodus really is right, like Magneto, there was
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: duality and really at his death, like you know, as
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: much as as Magneto love mute and kind and and
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and and was ready to defend, you know, against humanity, and.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Hey, we gotta wipe mount. We gotta wipe Mount.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Because there's been times when when Magneto is yo, they're
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: like they're never gonna stop.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: They're like, like, there's no compactity.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: We just gotta It was always his love and admiration
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: for Charles, which softened his stance at times. So Magneto
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: was incredibly complex, but Exodus just took the side that
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: he needed, or he took was the one side of
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Magneto that he needed to support.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Whatever his argument.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Excident, you want another right, you want who you were
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: before you got here, Exodus is who he is.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's not Magneto.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, there you go, because Magneto is before he gets here,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: you know, he's always from pay multitude, while Xenus is
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: just like, I'm going to follow this, and it's also
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: not that I'm going to follow this. I'm only going
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: to follow people who believe in what I believe in. Right,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm going to follow someone stronger than me,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: but they better believe in what I believe in. And
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: that's mutant consupremacy et cetera. So that's you know, he's
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: not about that. And like you said, Rob, he's just
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: going to take He's not looking for complexity. He's looking
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: for the magneto that he first met and then he
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: ain't heard from Mattido years at this point. But he's
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: just like, Okay, we still rolling this Alcohali business. This
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: is how you know, we weren't in and this is
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: how we are now. So do I believe that he's right? Dad?
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Is the big debate? You know, that's you know, that
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: is the the big debate, like do you kill racist?
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Do you allow fascists to keep putting their foot on
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: your neck?
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, I would have been polarist
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: and bishop with great and Creed. That's how I feel,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't. I ain't even leaving him in
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: the snow, Like no, bro, you just shot somebody in
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: front of my face. It's time for you to go,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: you know, and you are responsible for the deaths of
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: thousands of others.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I don't know. I take that side. I
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: take X Force aside.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: I've always taken the you know, if we sell the
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: shirt Mannito was right, you know, I don't. I believe
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: in tolerance to a point, but you cannot tolerate someone
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: trying to end your life at all.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Right, you know I probably take and and and it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: interesting when I said he Crauler is not my favorite.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I probably relate more through through to Night
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Growler to this point is like, okay, well, where yes
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: we know that Creed is a threat, is a monster.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Is like, you know what I'm saying, and and but
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: are we not gonna let him have this trial or
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: are we gonna you know what I'm saying, because then
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: there's the part of wealth.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: If we just off them right here, that doesn't make
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: us no, but you just have two warring militant factions.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And and then you know, I think you know, the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: winner or what's right is just decided by the body
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: count at the end, you know what I'm saying.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And and you know, looking for the humanity and someone.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I'm probably closer to a night Crawler than to like,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: you know, the militants of it, all of it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, if not, I mean, you know, because if
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I'm honus and and you know, we'll.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Go out there on protest, signed petition, do boycotts use
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: off voting power. You know, this is just me speaking
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: on me, But I'm not out there in the street
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: busting my gun, like you know what I'm saying, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and and you know, I don't. I don't even know
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: that that very much exists for us in this time.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: We're organized in that way anyway. I mean not definitely not.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the Black Panther movement was was,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: you know, something close to and even that was protection,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: right like like you know, like, hey, we're patrolling our streets,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: we're policing our streets, we're carrying arms, we will neutralize
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: a threat. But it was still rooted in protection for
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the community, you know what I'm saying. So me just personally,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I don't see myself in that type of extremism. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: even when we look at a real life example of
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the closest that that we've had, the Panthers, you know
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying is like even that was more closer
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to like protection than straight up.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: It wasn't even extreme. It's just painted as extreme.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it was painted as extreme, but but
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: we know, like really what you know what I'm saying,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: it feeding the community, Yeah.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Free lunch, Like the reason the reason why we have
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: free school lunch is because of the Black Panthers, right,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: and they started that and that white people had to
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: keep up.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Right, and but but there was a militance to to
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the organization that I mean, you know, I'd imagine, like
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: imagine just in this day and time, how jarring it
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: would see b to see people, you know, a group
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: in our community were armed, yeah, openly armed outside. But
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: even at the Panthers height, Again, it was around protection.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: It was around policing the community was around protecting the
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: community and not all out offense or no. That's just
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the way that I've learned about it, the way that
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I've seen it. There's people way more educated on the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: matter to me, and they could speak on it, you know.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Well, Like the thing that I always tell people is
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: the panther slogan is what you have to pay attention
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: to his power to all people or or no people.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: And they were the first to unite with groups like
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: the Young Lords Death who were the Latin community, and
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: with I think it's called the Free Americans, who were
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: this group of white people who are out of like
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Appalachia and stuff.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: And they were always about that.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: And when they did that, is when the Panthers got eliminated,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: because it was when they were just doing black stuff,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: They're like, all right, that's cool. But when they were like, okay,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: we're going to unite all poor people against the system
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: of capitalism in America, that's when they're limited. The same
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: way when Malcolm Edics was like, it's the system of capitalism.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: It's not about black or white. Okay, you gotta go,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Martin Luther King, system of capitalism, Okay, you gotta go.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: You know, as soon as you start saying it's the
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: system of capitalism versus you know, black white is when
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: they are you know, taking you out.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Going against the narrative, like they gave us the narrative
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: to divide us all. And then as soon as we
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: see the like we beyond the narrative, we see the
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: actual thing that's happening, and we do we're starting to
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: do something about it, that's when everything falls apart. Yeah,
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: I think for me that was and that was the
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: perfect point because like, I think there's so many things
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: of Black Panther.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Party but that we go into. But I'm just I
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: was thinking more to.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: You about the as like a writer, as like creating
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: things and noticing like the three lines between things. When
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: we think about heroes versus villains, it feels like villains
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: are always the ones that have that extreme of they
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: want to be judged during executioner and the extreams that
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: they're on they're fighting against also kind of hope holds
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: that too, and that's regardless if we're talking about like
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: a monarchy something that they can be judged during educationer
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: and like whoever they paint as the villain being also
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: like we're going to do that thinking about like when
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: they pulled out the guillotines or whatever in a French revolution,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: like they're like, oh, both sides are a little wrong
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: because they're not guillotines over here, but like they're like
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: depriving the people of access to food over here, Like
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: who's right? So it's interesting to me, like as character
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: like archetypes and like whenever we're seeing stories being told,
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: like being careful about who do we actually decide is
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: on the right quote unquote party if both sides feel
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: like as a unit, they should be able to make
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: every decision about whether or not someone live or die,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Like there should be some nuance in there, And I
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: think that's what you're like when you're saying that, like
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: there is some middle ground like road in there where
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: it's like, no, like it's actually a little bit better
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: to sit with life and not see like death as
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: the like immediate answer to whatever the problem is.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: No, because I agree there, because like, while I say
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I'm definitely a little bit more Milton, I'm also about unity,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: you know, And I've that's the thing. I just will
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: not tolerate people who are going to oppress other people.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: But I am for the you know, life of everyone,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: and I hate that death is so final. And because
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: of that, I don't believe in just, you know, murdering
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: people indiscriminately. But when someone just shot somebody in the back,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, yeah, but you know it's
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: a fog award that you got killed in great and
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: sorry about that. How did y'all feel about the Polaris
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: and Bishop combination.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: We were going to keep getting hints that they have
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: a thing going on, Like it's like it's just subtle,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: but it's like and then maybe you know y'all in
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: the comments comics, but I'm just just like, oh, how
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: many hints are we going to get before we get
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: confirmation on screen this is brand new.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Oh I had to.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you because I was like, I
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: don't remember this at all from the.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Like, this ain't from yea.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And the only thing they've shown from Polaris so
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: far is that she does have a picture with her
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: and Bobby Drake Iceman, and that's comics as they dated
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: when they were young and then for a long time
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: she's linked to Havoc, to Alex Summers, Stop's brother from
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: X Force, who in this we saw she does make
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: a line to him where she's like, yo, you used
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: to appreciate about me, and so that felt like, okay,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: they used to be in a relationship definitely, and then
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: they've broken up.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I don't mind her and Bishop.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I do feel like both of them have a lot
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: of trauma, and you know that's does draw people together.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: But I also feel weird that Polaris has been through
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: all this trauma recently and she's immediately you know, flirting
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: away with Bishop. But you know that's how it goes,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: you know, like you're in war, death is all around you,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: looking for love, So.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, who almost us. I'm just saying, though, girls.
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: Just want to have fun.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: And look, hot woman with green hair comes on to me.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: I ain't turning it down, Fam, you know what I mean?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Single and.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Imagine this stick?
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what come on, Fam? You turn that the she
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: got powers to complement your powers? Like m M. You
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: know I'm here for it. You know, if I'm Vishop,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: I'm doing all the way. So I ain't mad at
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: that at all. I did want to mention one of
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: the Alkoalites is a character known as a media Void,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: and she's shown up a lot in the original series
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: and in this series, and the last time we saw her,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: she was talking about how she followed Professor X around,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: she followed Magnito around, and she's tired of following men around.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: And then she's like a nameless character in this episode
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: following yet another man around.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: So that was trying to.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know the writers out, like you said, Rob,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: they ain't figured it all out yet.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: You know they needed but you know, you needed to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: draw a familiar face in there or whatever.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: We've seen her as part of the Alcohoalites in that costume,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: like it made sense, but it didn't do much for
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: her character development.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Thing no, not at all.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: I was like, Surety, you moved like you just said,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: I'm not following any men around cause that line stuck
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: out to me so hard, and she said I was like, yeah,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: that is especially with what she'd been through on the
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: show and here we are. But you know, you can't
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: win them all. Uh, let's talk about that ending though.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: What is going on?
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: There is Apocalypse in Dambit's body.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: That wasn't how it wasn't because in the combooks Gambit
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: was a horseman, yes, of Apocalypse and turned into a horseman.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: So we saw Gambit died from the last season truly
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: one of an emotional moment. It was just a great
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: cinematic moment. Yes, but the MC really really made you
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: feel something. And you know, if you read the comic
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: then you know spoiler alert. But you know, I think
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: enough time as fast as yeah, and we've seen the
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: hints is that Apocalypse is going to bring him back,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and he's going to come back as a horseman of Apocalypse.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Is he in Gambit's body? That that would be they
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: would be changing the story m so possibly they they
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: can go there that that that that'll be interesting.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I still think he's a horseman. I still think he's
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: a horseman. Then there's something else going on that I
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: think they might stay true in common, but I could
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: be wrong, all right or sew.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I want to know. And then I got a theory
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: My question because like Apocalypse Corpse is kind of like
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: degraded or whatever, and then there's a charred card beside it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: My question is did Remy come back more powerful than Apocalypse?
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: Like did he overpower Apocalypse?
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: That there's that theory and the more wilder theory that
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: once again the Internet running around talking about, is that
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: there might be two apocalypses because like last week we
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: were cracking jokes about how he's saying more power to
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: himself and then you know, turning up the console himself.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: But what if he was actually saying more power to
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: the other Apocalypse, Who's then turning up the council.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Right because he he's switching bodies, And then what does
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: King have to do with this?
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: And there's that part.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: There's the fact that in the animated series, there's like
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: if you go back to the original and this when
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: there's been a lot of things going on with Apocalypse
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: and at one point in the original animated series. He
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: is trying to get Jubilee to transfer his essence into
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Jubilee and turn her into the new Apocalypse, and when
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: that fails, he takes Fabian Cortez, who is one of
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: the Alkalites, and turns some into Apocalypse. So he absorbs
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Fabian and becomes Apocalypse. And that's like the last we
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: see of him. But there's also you know, the Apocalypse
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: we saw back in the past. Is it all one Apocalypse?
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: Is there time travel scenanigans going on right here?
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: That's the question that I guess we'll see next week.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can do so much with those little intros,
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: you know, where they show you clips from the past,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: But I don't know if they can expect you to
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: remember that Apocalypse absorbed Fabian Cortes and all this other
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: stuff thirty years later.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: But we'll see, Yeah, yeah, can I I feel like
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I can say here is a safe space. I haven't
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: said this, okay publicly, I want to hear this. I'm
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: an Xports fan first of all, too. Archangel and Sidlok
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: are two of my.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Favorite X Man characters. YEP, I wanted the original X
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Force Man.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I wanted the original X cannon Ball and the ball
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: boom boom. Yeah, like I get I get why they
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: did it, but but also no shot a star you know, Domino,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, like.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Well, boom, we did see kids and Rusty in this episode.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: I mean they got served real quick, but you can
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: see them, you know, for a hot second.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm so like that that original X Force
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: run did so much for me as a kid. When
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: New Mutants turned over the X Force and I felt
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: like we jumped time. I felt like I wanted to
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: see the original X Force together. It's still dope, But
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't like.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: A little disappointed.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: I feel you.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna get killed because everybody loves everybody loves
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: seeing X Force on the screen in this iteration.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: So no, and I'm not one of those people. I mean,
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: I do like both versions, but I also one thing
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: I wish we could get and I don't. I don't
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: know if we will because of the way they're moving ahead,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: and like Eleanna's not dead.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Was the New Mutants spin off?
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: You know, with the original with Cannonball with Ilana Sunspot
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: as and then as they grew into that X Force
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: or even just grew into you know, adults, I would
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: have loved to see that. But yeah, yeah, hopefully because
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: that I loved. You know, that's like as much I
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: love the Men the New Mutants as a kid, I
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: related to them. That was my crew, you know, because
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: that's who I was.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: More like them.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: Cipher is one of my favorite characters ever. Like, oh man, yeah.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: I feel you there. I definitely feel you there.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So but but I mean, we're gonna see I know.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Rob Lfefel, who created Cable, has come out publicly. He
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: hasn't given any spoilers, but said that he saw the
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: whole season okay, and that these last two episodes he
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: said that Cable is like a huge pun that that
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: according to him, he said.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: This is the best depiction the Cable that that he's seen.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, counting Deadpool two when Josh Brolin played them,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and you know how Cable was in the original X
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Man animated series. So according to Rob Lfefelt, we're gonna
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: have some big Cable moments coming up in these last
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: two episodes.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think so far this is the best
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Cable has ever been depicted as well, like when he
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: had that sit down with his parents and last season
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: that you know, Na, this is something been some of
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: the best.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: So I can't wait then. And one thing is I
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: heard this early on.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard as much, but some people were thinking
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Strife might show up this season. And for those who
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: don't know, Strife is a clone a Cable. He wears
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: like this big silver armor, but he looks exactly like
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Cable when he takes the mask off, so or.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: It's Cable a clone of Strife. Oh god, that was it.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: That was the thing for a while.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Man, was that A big boy? Was like, no, no,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: the other way?
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't remember. I don't know which way they ended.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: I know in the nineties Cable was the clone. I
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: think I think Strife was the original and Cable was
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: the clone. Yeah thing how they ended that, But I
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: don't know which way they flip flopped it now?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but but no, that that was amazing. Yeah.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: The first time we seen Stripe take off the mask,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: he looks just like Cable. I remember reading that as
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: a kid and being like, wait, what what? I had
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: to read this the whole again. And had to wait
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: the next month for the next one to come out. Yeah,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: that was one of the best cliffhangers in comics when
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: we were coming up in the nineties.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Was the word uh yeah, straight up because that it
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: was there. Strife and Cable were characters back then, like
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: they were big, and that was a moment.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Now it's like, my man is named Strife with a
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: y like you know, now looking back, you can talk,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: you know, as a kid, it was a moment. It
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: was great, all right, So we're definitely looking forward to
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: the next to the last two episodes of the season.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Anything else y'all wanted to say about this episode before
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: we got out of here.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: I just have one question, but it's an overarching question, yep,
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: how is X factor able to hold that X Like
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: xaper didn't sign off on them, Like they're the government,
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: So why do they have an ex in their name?
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Went? When?
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: When? When did the government ever need permission? You know
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying as well? So you know when when? When?
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: When Charles Xavier tried to copyright that at the copy
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: you know, Val Cooper stopped it at the copyright office,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: held up the copyright.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: No, I don't know, and that's the stuff you called it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: She held it up and was like, oh no, we
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: put S Factor in first, you know, and they're using
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: it illegally.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: And that was that.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: And so the men are using it illegally and ed
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Factor is the redister copyright of the United States Government.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: But but but in in in the comic book, the
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: original X Factor were the original five X Men. Well, yes, Ray, Beast,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Angel and Ice Man. Yeah, they had left Xavier the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: mansion and struck out on their own, and the original
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: X Factor was those five and then they ended up
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: becoming a government agency and that's when they brought the
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: roster in seventy issues later, that's what you see.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're right right around.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: And that's when the great late rest in peace, Peter David,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Peter David changed everything about as forced.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I mean fact that Larry Stroman, Ferry Stroman one of
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: the gods.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah man, shout very Stroman.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: And one of the greatest issues, if you can ever
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: track it down or read it online, is there's an
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: issue of X Factor where they all get interviewed by
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: a psychiatrist. I won't spoil who the psychiatrist is, but
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: it's basically a character study where each one has like
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: two pages and they're talking to the psychiatrist, and it
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: is one of the most brilliant. It's one of my
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: favorite all time comic books. Definitely my top twenty.
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: Is it the original expect the original five People Getting No.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: No, it's the later ones.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: It's Polarists, Havoc, Quicksilver, Wolf Spain, Strong Guy, Multiple Man,
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: and it's the greatest breakdown. Quitsilver has the greatest breakdown
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: of what it means to have superspeed and why quit
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Silver is an asshole ever in those like it's like
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: two or three pages and it's pure brilliance. Like that
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: old issue is just yeah, it's unbelievable. It's one of
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: the greatest issues ever. So yeah, definitely another great episode.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: I'm you know, I can't wait for the last two.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: That's end the story I noticed just about the crazy
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: next week is from a dead man's hand, which we
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: already know is to involve Gambit, and then the last
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: episode has something to do with the Age of Apocalypse,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: which we might be leading into that season. I don't
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: even know anymore, man, And that's what I love about
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: the show. It's like, I don't know exactly where they're going.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: I thought they were going to start off next season
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: with Age of Apocalypse, but who knows at this point,
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: And I love it for that, I really do.
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: It could be about patents next season. Who knows.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: That just a long you know, drawn out like la
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: law legal battle about patents between Xavier and shows up.
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: She's like, Okay, I got you, I got you.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: Matt Murdoch, all the different lawyers that at universes come
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: out to Woodwork and it's just like just drawn out
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: for ten episodes, not even court like them, just filing
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: applications and shit.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Depositions.
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: We have interview depositions like on the interview.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: You never know, but Rob, thank you for joining us.
• 57:03
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• 57:23
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• 57:25
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• 57:31
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• 57:31
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• 57:32
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