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ISRAEL: A Legacy of Hate and Hope in Human History · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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Hey friends, welcome, we're thankful to do another show and another important topic.
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Today we're calling it Israel, a legacy of hate and hope in human history.
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So I thought it would be important to bring in a historian, an expert, and a teacher,
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because we're going to talk about the land, biblical history, world history, what's going
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on with the Middle East now, and we'll get into some of that in a moment.
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But my guest today, Freedom Projects, own Dr. Jake Jacobs, Jake.
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Well, Shalom Shalom David, it's an honor to be a part of your wonderful program.
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Yeah, well, thank you, thank you, one nation.
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You got your mug there.
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Oh, I got my mug right here, one nation, yeah.
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So friends, you can go to freedomproject.com and check out Jake's show, one nation.
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And I also wanted to read a scripture to kick things off, starting with Isaiah 62, verse
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1 and 2, for Zion's sake, I will not keep silent.
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And for Jerusalem's sake, I will not keep quiet until her righteousness goes forth like
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brightness and her salvation, like a torch that is burning.
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The nations will see your righteousness in all kings, your glory.
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And you will be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord will designate.
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So Isaiah 62, one and two.
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So Jake, a lot of things happening in world history, October 7th, it's like COVID changed
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things in 2020, right, COVID-19, but we have another chain, a radical change in world
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history now, what happened with the Hamas attacks on Israel, we're at war, we're seeing
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war right now.
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What are your thoughts on what happened and then we'll go back to some history?
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Well, last night my wife and I watched the new movie that came out on October 7th called
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Golda.
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And it was about the Yom Kippur War.
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And when I was in high school, I was into this stuff and I actually saved the newspapers
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from the Milwaukee Sentinel.
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And the headlines were, you know, like Israel being attacked by Egypt and by Syria.
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And they had a picture, there were a bunch of people, a bunch of Arabs in downtown Milwaukee
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that were actually screaming against the gold of my ear.
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Because she used to live in Milwaukee, the University of Milwaukee library is called the
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Golda Mayor.
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Library.
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She came from, I think, Ukraine, Belarus area and lived in Wisconsin for a while then moved
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to Israel.
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And the reason I bring up the movie Golda is when you understand the nature, I'm not
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going to be politically correct at all, I never have been.
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But I will be historically and theologically accurate in that the nature of Islam is to
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do things that in essence tries to erase or eradicate Judaism and the child of Judaism
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Christianity.
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And they'll do things in accordance to calendar.
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So for example, when they, when they would, in the West Bank or around Jerusalem, the
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Palestinian advocates would go into historical sites that would confirm Judaism's reality
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and existence and they would destroy it.
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When they took over Gaza, as you know, the same thing happened.
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They destroyed synagogues, they destroyed historical artifacts.
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So I bring that up because within their Islamic holy wars, jihad holy war mindset, they
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picked 9-11 because it was an anniversary of the Battle of Vienna where the Muslims had
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constantly tried to take over that part of Europe to take over all of Europe.
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They were stopped in France and the Battle of Tours and the 700s and in 1500s they kept
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on pushing in the eastern side of Europe and the Vienna, Austria, and they were stopped.
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So they purposely used 9-11 as a date.
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They purposely picked Yom Kippur in 73 because as you know, it's the Holy of Holy Days.
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Jesus Christ is now our covering, right?
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He's our Yom Kippur idea of covering.
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And they picked 8-7 because, excuse me, 10-7, October 7, because it was Simh-Khatorah.
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It was the joy of the Torah.
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I have right here a copy of the Torah.
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The Torah is of course the Old Testament.
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It can be in the first five books of Moses.
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The word Torah is translated as law, but it's more properly translated as the teachings
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of our Heavenly Father on how to live life down here on earth.
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But the point is they picked the day the Simh-Khatorah, the rejoicing of the Torah, the word
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that God gave us and how to live life because they were going after Judaism, they were going
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after Christianity, Jesus Christ ultimately, they were going after God Almighty and the
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Jewish people.
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And this is one of those dates that will always go down in infamy and we need to understand
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the nature of the enemy and what they're all about.
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I think more people are catching on because you see some of the headlines and some of
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the stories.
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It's hard to look away when we now have the cameras and they're filming everything.
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And it's, first of all, you can't deny what's happening.
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But I just saw this over at Hot Air, a Hamas official, Gazi Hamad said, we will repeat
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the October 7 attack again and again until Israel is annihilated.
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So there's no secret about what's happening here.
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There's no secret about what their agenda is or, you know, what does Hamas really want?
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But yet, Jake, there's an ignorance in the West in particular with what the media is putting
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out there, the propaganda, the media, the call it, the university system, the social justice
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activists coming up through the K through 12, then they go to university and what are they
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learning?
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Anti-Israel.
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So we're seeing all these protests.
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That's why I wanted to have you come in here.
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You know history more better than a lot of people that I know.
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So where do you want to start as far as going back to the land?
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And we've already talked a little bit about where Palestine, the name, Philistia, Philistines,
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Hadrian, Wemper, Hadrian, set it to mock the Jews.
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And so start wherever you want and just kind of start walking us through here.
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You know, if I forget the land part, just, I just want to interject just quick, when you
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mention this Hamas individual, look at their expression of Islam is demonic and it's
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schizophrenic.
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And it's very cleverly schizophrenic in that what they do is they will say, we didn't
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do any of these things.
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We didn't say any, when it comes to the atrocities.
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But as you and I know, and we know this now through all the stuff on social media, they,
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it was inundated with them screaming Allahu Akbar, bragging about slaughtering and killing
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Jews that were boasting about it.
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But then when they're confronted with it at the United Nations or the Red Cross or any
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other organization, it's like, oh, no, no, we haven't done that.
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And that's the nature of the beast that I think it's, it's no different than the Nazis.
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And in the 1930s, the, if you read mine, come for, if you read the speeches of Hitler,
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he said he was going to annihilate the use the term vernic.
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He was going to annihilate or exterminate the Jews.
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He said that in January 30th and a famous speech in the Reichstag and the point is people
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say, well, the Nazis didn't have that intention and it eventually led to that.
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It's like, are you kidding me from day one?
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The Hamas Charter of 1988 calls for the annihilation of not only Israel, but the Jews of the world.
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And this kind of hatred for the Jews, Israel, by the way, Israel is a synonym for the Jews.
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And in the Tanakh, in the Torah, in the Brick Karashah, the New Testament, the Jews are Israel,
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Israel are the Jews.
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They're also called Zion, Zion, it's where our Heavenly Father lives.
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He lives in the Holy Jerusalem, he lives in Zion.
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You see that there's word plays going on in the old and new covenants with the name Israel.
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And the pagan nations, whether it be the Egyptians or the Syrians or the Babylonians,
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have always despised the sons and daughters of Israel, the sons and daughters of Zion.
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They've always despised the Abrahamic covenant that was given in the book of Genesis and Genesis,
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chapter 12, Genesis 15, Genesis 18, on and on and on, unfolded to the Hebrew prophets.
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You see this disdain in hatred by the pagan nations, the Gentile nations, against that covenant
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between our Heavenly Father Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who becomes
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the name, his name has changed to Israel.
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He who has struggled with God, but now is a prince who walks with God and he is glory.
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But the point is this, if you go back to Hadrian, when he came, he had his gay lover had
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died when he was in Egypt and he was in mourning and he was angry and he took it out on the
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Jews.
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And he went into Jerusalem and wiped it out, slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Jews and
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said, the name of Israel shall be no more, I now will call the Syria, Palestine.
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And so we have seen this man, this demonic man was the station.
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That was 135 AD.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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And the temple, as you know, had been destroyed by Titus in 70 AD.
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And so the point is you see this manifestation all throughout the ages, as the Jews were
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dispersed, what they call the disdiaspora, they were dispersed all throughout the world.
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Many of them hanging in the pale region, the eastern part of Europe, Ukraine, Beloros,
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Russia, et cetera.
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But they had always longed for returning to the land, the land of Israel.
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And they experienced Jew hate, what I call Yudinhas, I hate the term anti-Semitism because
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it was a Jew hater, an anti-Semite, but the name of Videlhaumar in 1879, who tried to
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find a term that sounded scientific, so he called it anti-Semitism.
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So he was a Jew hater, and so I know it's the common term used, but I like to say Yudinhas
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or Jew hate.
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Yeah.
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It's what it boils down to.
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So this Jew hate, you know, we ask the question that Dennis Prager has asked for years,
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why the Jews, the great Dennis Prager, Prager University.
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And the point is that it is the Jews because the Jews reflect that covenant that was made
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between the creator of the universe Yahweh.
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And it was unfolded in the Old Testament and it was personified and completed in the
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New Testament, but the Goyim, the Gentiles, have perpetuated their disdain in hatred for
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that covenant, and it could be the actual physical land.
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So Jews were traveling, were coming back to the land, especially in the late 1800s, early
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1900s.
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They were purchasing land by Arab, Arab absentee landowners.
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The land that they bought was in horrible condition.
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They fixed the land up, they made it beautiful, they cultivated with irrigation and all kinds
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of farming techniques.
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They had the Moshevim and the Kibbutseem that were actually seeing Jews coming in from
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all of the pale and the diaspora coming back in millions, millions coming into the land.
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And then of course, as you know, the United Nations recognized Israel and there was a partition
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plan and the Jews said, well, you kind of screwed us over here because you said we were going
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to get a certain amount and you've cut that in half, but they says we'll take it.
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And the Arab nations, the surrounding Arab nations of hundreds of millions, five specific
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Arab nations, said we reject the plan and we're going to exterminate Israel.
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And as you know, it didn't work, Israel survived.
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And that's what's been unfolding since the creation of the land of Israel May 14, 1948.
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Every time you see the war, the war of 56th, the war of 67, the Yom Kippur with the
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intifada, which I was over there back in 2002, they always are calling for the annihilation
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the extermination of Jews.
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They've been offered under Bill Clinton with Yasser Arafat.
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They were offered 98% of what they were demanding and he rejected every part of that
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plan.
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Exactly.
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Oh, there's so much.
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Thank you, Jake.
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That was very helpful.
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We're going to have to take a quick break.
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When we come back, there's a great article over at Harbinger's Daily that was published
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in January of this year.
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And they republished it.
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It's by Olivier Melnick.
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It's called a fabricated narrative against Israel.
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The Palestinian people were invented solely for political gain.
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We're with Dr. Jake Jacobs.
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I'll be right back on World View Matters.
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All right, guys, our guest, Dr. Jake Jacobs, historian, educator, beloved Christian brother
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of mine.
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And it's great to be a colleague here at Freedom Project.
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This article is fasting.
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Again, I was published in January, but because of what happened in October, early October
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in Israel, they republished it again, and it's again, it's called a fabricated narrative
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against Israel.
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I'm going toward the end.
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And he said something a lot of concerns, but he goes through some scripture and talks
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about the land and goes through some specifics that the land ultimately belongs to God.
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It was given to Abraham and his descendants.
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The land was based on an unconditional covenant with Abraham.
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It was based on specific boundaries, and we'll get into that in a minute, Lord willing,
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but he said, many Bible believers today do not see a future for Israel, Bible believers,
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and they buy into the false narrative of the Palestinians as an ethnic group.
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So this is where we're at today.
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This is why I understand how university students shake can believe lies.
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They've been brought up with that, and they're just bombarded with that in the university
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system.
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But people that have supposedly read their Bibles in our Christians to think this, because
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there's this replacement theology out there.
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Before we get into a little bit of the history of the land, you share your thoughts on that,
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because it's very concerning that it's in the church.
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Well, actually, it's interesting because my graduate degree at Ashland Theological Seminary
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was on the historical and Jewish roots of Jesus, Rabbi Yeshua.
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But I also studied under a Judeic scholar by the name of David Raush, and the area, part
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of that dissertation was on this very issue, because you saw developing within, and I
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don't, look, you saw developing within certain orthodox Christian expressions, the idea
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that the church was now spiritual Israel, and that the physical, literal edict Israel,
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the land of Israel covenant was now now invoined.
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And what I concluded in my dissertation was that actually it was both, that when you
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give your heart to Rabbi Yeshua, you and I are no longer Gentiles.
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If you look at Saul, Paul's, Epistles, we are no longer Goyim, we are no longer Gentiles.
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We have become truly circumcised within our heart, we have been grafted into the tree
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of Israel.
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So we have become a part of the covenant, people, Romans 9, 10, 11, God, exactly.
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And plus, if you look in the Epistles, you can see Paul and Ephesians 2 calls it the
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commonwealth of Israel, this theology has been neglected because what you have one
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side that argues, it's only spiritual Israel, the other side that argues, the physical covenant
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is gone.
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And what it really is, it's both of them together, that we have been grafted wonderfully graciously
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into the olive tree Israel.
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We are no longer Gentiles in our beings, in our souls, in our spirits.
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We now are a part of the covenant people, Abraham, Isaac, and Yaku, there are fathers
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in the faith.
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Amen.
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Hallelujah.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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But so they have a part of that is true, but the other part is the edits Israel, which
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is translated, the land of Israel.
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By the way, look in the book of Matthew, when Jesus leaves, remember as a baby because
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they were going to kill the firstborn, where does he go to Egypt?
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The text says land of Israel, land of Israel, and it's a bit of a mistake done by many
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Christian professors, scholars, et cetera.
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They always call Israel in the time of Jesus' Palestine.
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I was just at Hillsdale College, and there was a professor there saying that, and I said,
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excuse me, sir, you just called Palestine, Palestine in 30 AD.
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It wasn't called Palestine until 100 years later.
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You don't find it called Palestine in the scriptures, in the Tanakh or the Brit Karashah, the old
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and New Testament, you find it called edits Israel, the land of Israel.
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And that's what it should be called.
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So the whole point is within this is there's unfortunately an imbalanced theological interpretation
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of the text that does a disservice to the full understanding of the greatness of the Torah,
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of the old, the New Testament, telling the story, the grand meta-narrative of the story
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of the Messiah coming to the earth, the die for our sins in edits Israel, the land of Israel.
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And when he leaves in a book of Acts, what do the angels say, Min of Israel?
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Why are you looking up?
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He shall come here to edits Israel from the prophet Zechariah and Zefeniah and Isaiah.
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His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives.
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And literal.
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That's literal.
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So there's a spiritual identification, but there's a literal.
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And therefore what you find is that unfortunately historians, not all, but a significant number
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in our universities or Palestinian propagandists, they deny all this.
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And they fabricate and they make up history, speaking of the Palestinian people.
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This is in 1948, the Palestinian trans-Jordan was the one that controlled the West Bank,
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that whole area.
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When I lived in Israel, Jewish friends of mine were Palestinians, these were older gentlemen.
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I lived there, seven years of French.
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They were Jewish and they even showed me his, it's said, right here, it's said Palestine
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and he goes, I was a Palestinian.
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He goes, that area was like a geographical name that had been going back into the Ottoman
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Turkish Empire.
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But we were all called Palestinians, Muslims, Arabs and Jews.
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We were called Palestinians.
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And so the point is there was, you know, they call it the Nakhbal when the Jews, you
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know, threw them out of the land and they stole their land.
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When the reality is they were offered this, this to this partition plan, this peace plan,
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and they rejected it.
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They pulled my ear, even went to Haifa, went to Haifa and begged the Muslims, the Arabs
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of Haifa and said, please don't go.
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But the Arab nation says, get out of the way because we're going to kill all the Jews.
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There's going to be no Israel.
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And that was the root of the problem.
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And it's always been the root of the problem.
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Their desire, that's why I love the name of your show, World View Matters because that
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was a belt in shong, that's a world view.
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This Islamic world view says that Judaism and Christianity is not only inferior, but
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it must be destroyed because Allah's revelation or manifestation to the Prophet Muhammad
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is the ultimate truth.
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And our job is to subdue the infidel Jews and the Christians.
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What Islam means submission.
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Yes.
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And Muhammad was a warrior, a brutal warrior.
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And we could go down, we'll talk about that another time.
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But what's amazing to me, Jake, and that's why we're putting these maps out now so people
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can see the land layout, New Jersey.
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That's the Israel's the size of New Jersey.
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And you see this coalition of Muslim nations that are hostile toward the Jews, surrounded
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the land mass, the population is not even comparable.
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But yet they call Israel here, in fact, I got this.
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The accusation of colonization and occupation, a fabricated narrative from the 1960s is
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now well seared into people's brains.
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And Olivia Melnik says, very few, if any, in the mainstream media are questioning the
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validity of that claim.
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So they've just bought it.
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And people are buying it today, unfortunately, they haven't won the propaganda war, but how
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do you come back from this?
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Because there's so much ignorance out there.
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That's the problem.
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Once again, it's, you know, it's like when the radical leftists said that they won the
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textbooks, they won the classroom, you know, the long march through the institution.
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There is a Marxist connection, Gramsci and others.
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The point is, is that they don't know their history, just like they don't know a lot of
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the Christian roots of American history, they don't know the history.
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So by the 1960s, yes, or Arifat, and these holy warriors recognized that they needed
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to create a mythology of a so-called entity of Palestine and a so-called ethnic group,
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the Palestinians.
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Yes, Arifat spent, he was a multi-millionaire who lived in Paris, France.
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The militant Hamas leaders today, they don't live in Gaza.
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They live in Turkey and, is it Qatar?
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Qatar, Qatar, I always confuse it.
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But the point is, they don't even live there.
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Exactly.
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They call for the annihilation of the Jews, they use the gossens as human shields, literally,
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as they live.
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They're literally, they're millionaires who send their kids to the finest schools back
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in other parts of the world.
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So the point is, is people with Palestinian liberation organization and other Palestinian
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liberation front and all these organizations, they have created a myth so they could perpetuate
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this idea that Israel has been the perpetrator of genocide.
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When in reality, it's just the opposite.
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Exactly.
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This is an inversion and perversion.
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That's amazing programming, right?
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Absolutely.
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Well, that's why right now, the machine, their propaganda machine is going full-tilt and
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sadly the BBC and CNN and many of these left-wing media propaganda organizations are
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just spewing it throughout the world.
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So we're going to talk more with Dr. Jake Jacobs.
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We're going to do another program and get into the college campuses, the propaganda and
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some of the lies.
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We're going to refute those.
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We'll talk a little bit about what the average American thinks, but they're not, because
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they're not really in line with the media or the left, but you would never know that.
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Let's go to a few scriptures, Jake, we've got like five minutes left.
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So the land ultimately belongs to God.
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The Viticus 2523, for example, King James says, the land shall not be sold forever.
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For the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
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Genesis 12, seven, the Lord appeared to Abram and said unto thy seed will I give this land
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and there and there, build it and alter unto the Lord who appeared unto him.
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Genesis 13, 15, for the land which thou seest to thee.
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Will I give it and to thy seed forever?
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And it goes on and on.
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We can talk about Deuteronomy.
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There are more scriptures.
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So there are people that say, well, I don't believe the Bible.
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So that doesn't apply to me.
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That doesn't apply to, if what if I don't believe the Bible, then how can I, you know, you
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know what I mean?
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So that's one of the arguments you hear, how do I respond to that?
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You know, even if you didn't have the Abrahamic covenant, which you and I believe in, in
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which to me is absolute truth.
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There's a spiritual, you mentioned that word seed.
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So it's a spiritual seed, but it's also a literal seed.
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And it's also a literal terra firma, the land of Israel, but historically, you still
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have an incredible case for Israel when it comes to established domicile, when it comes
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to the purchasing of land with the development of Zionism in the late 1800s through Theodore
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Herzl and others.
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And friends of mine who have long since passed talked about what it was like to go there
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back in the 1930s and 40s and other friends who escaped the Shoah, the Holocaust, under
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Adolf Hitler, who worked with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, this holy warrior, this Islamic,
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I even hate to use that word holy or warrior when it comes to these demons, these demonic
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butchers of human beings.
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But the point is these friends of mine who said what it was like when they came to Israel
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and they worked the land and they made it one of the richest agricultural sources in
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the world for vegetables and fruits and everything.
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They worked the land, they purchased the land.
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And it was a wasteland.
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It was like a mark between famous quote about how it was a desert when he went to visit
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it back in the day.
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And so the point is that yes, you and I, our foundation is the covenant in the scriptures,
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but there's also historical and empirical evidence of the right of domain for the Jews
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from around the world to live legally and rightfully in the land of Eritish Israel.
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So can you direct our audience to any sources because a lot of people don't understand the
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history and they're hearing the lies right and the propaganda, how can they get more
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information other than obviously reading Genesis and reading the Bible?
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David Horowitz, David Horowitz's front page magazine is wonderful.
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Is it the Jewish virtual library?
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Is a wonderful online source, the Jewish virtual library, wonderful source about all the
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various issues of the covenant of the land, of the mythology behind it, the nature of
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Hamas.
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That's great.
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I'm trying to think of some other ones that I could recommend off the top of my head.
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They're not coming in here, but we'll get them next week.
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All right.
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We're going to do another show.
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Wow.
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I knew it would go by so fast with Dr. J. By the way, we might be related.
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We visited your family gravesite up there in the U.S.
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The upper peninsula.
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There it is.
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Look at this.
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Now, the one on the left, who is that?
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That's my grandfather, Henry Jacob.
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Our name was Jacob until after the war, my dad took me for the war.
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He added the S.
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Oh, the added S.
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Yeah.
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And then, by the way, the place was closed.
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So I found a guy working at the cemetery.
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So he opened the shop that was there so I could get the map because this cemetery is huge.
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Yeah.
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And so I found the Italian section and I found your father, the Italian section, the
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Rosso.
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That's not an exaggeration because Iron Mountain and Kingsford, Michigan are Italians everywhere.
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I mean, that was, it's pretty, so we might be cousins.
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Yeah.
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I'm Frenchy, but we might be cousins.
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Yeah.
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It was fun growing up there.
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So that was my dad's and my mom's got a plot right next to him.
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And then my sister and brother-in-law having an exact duplicate of that.
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I mean, their last name was Terrell.
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My sister Linda is there as well.
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Her body is in the cemetery there.
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But yeah.
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And by the way, you know, it's wonderful when you look at the cemetery.
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Is my daughter's name is Anastasia, her middle name is Joy.
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And in Yeshua, in Christ, we have defeated death.
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Oh, great.
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Resurrection.
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Right.
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It means resurrection joy.
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Anastasia.
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Yes.
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That's the Greek word.
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Yes.
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So you know your Bible.
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Praise God.
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What a great note to end on, guys.
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Let's see.
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What do we have coming up?
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I just need to mention tomorrow, Pastor Claude Stoffer, he's got a book on Israel.
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We're going to talk about that with him.
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God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.