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The Favorites - Guest Chris Fallica & Chicago Event Recap · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BED three
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  Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. Today I'm
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  Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, my companion, Mike
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  Speaker 1: padre My BFF Professional Better Simon Hunt et OSIMN.
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  Speaker 2: Chad.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Brother, brother?
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  Speaker 1: We got a lot to unpack. Later in the episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be joined by one of the most
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  Speaker 1: beloved people in all of sports media, Chris the Bear Felika,
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  Speaker 1: my former colleague at ESPN now the betting analyst at
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  Speaker 1: Fox Sports, host of Bear Bets the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Very excited that he's coming on the show. But listen, brother.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to Chris, we got to get one
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  Speaker 1: of the other most beloved people in all of sports
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  Speaker 1: media and maybe right now in all of Chicago, because
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  Speaker 1: we need to recap our amazing Chicago live show for
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  Speaker 1: restrictions apply. All right, Matt Mitchell, great to see you, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Simon, do we not owe Matt Mitchell
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  Speaker 1: a huge bouquet of flowers? He organized the event, He
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  Speaker 1: was in charge of the details, He was the MC
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  Speaker 1: of the event. He puts on an amazing show when
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  Speaker 1: we are there, because it's part you and me talking.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, we had stucky in Jim Ruth join
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  Speaker 1: us for college basketball. But it's really Matt Mitchell taking
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  Speaker 1: what people love about the show and incorporating it into
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  Speaker 1: trivia and games and giveaways with him acting as the
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  Speaker 1: PT Barnum and keeping people occupied.
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  Speaker 4: So Matt Mitchell, welcome to the show. Great job in Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: Chat.
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  Speaker 5: It's like those old Vidal sasuon commercials where he would
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  Speaker 5: end up by saying, if you don't look good, I
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  Speaker 5: don't look good.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how it feels, just.
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  Speaker 4: A man with no that's right. I can appreciate the reference.
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  Speaker 3: Like all of the best hairstylists.
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  Speaker 5: Yes I'm bald as the Dickens, but yes, I had
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  Speaker 5: a great time.
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  Speaker 2: You guys were fabulous.
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  Speaker 5: I want you guys in the correct ed space to
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  Speaker 5: go in glad hand, which is definitely what you guys do.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they want to see.
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  Speaker 5: And they don't want you worried about, you know, handicapping
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  Speaker 5: a Texas Tech basketball game. It's not what they're there for.
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  Speaker 5: So I thought you guys were marvelous, but our fans were.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, people drove from like three hundred miles away
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  Speaker 5: from like two Blum Best in southern Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: It was insane.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always surprised by this, pleasantly surprised and thrilled. I
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  Speaker 1: met a listener who drove five hours from outside Detroit
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  Speaker 1: who like goes deep into the archives and said to me,
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  Speaker 1: you guys never really bring up the Blackjack years, which
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  Speaker 1: is like the year and a half two years where
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  Speaker 1: black Jack Fletcher was a co host of the show
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  Speaker 1: who was a great guy. Just like we morphed into
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  Speaker 1: something different, and then Simon joined the show, but he
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  Speaker 1: was like deep deep into the weeds on Action Content,
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  Speaker 1: going back to ESPN Content, loved that there was a
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  Speaker 1: whole group of buddies who traveled from Columbus. You mentioned
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  Speaker 1: there was a couple from that drove from south of Bloomington, Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: This was their date night away from their kids. Five
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  Speaker 1: or six couples on date nights, and that's always my
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  Speaker 1: favorite at these events. Everyone knows I love love, So
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  Speaker 1: when we see couples coming to the show together, which
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  Speaker 1: happens at every event we've had, there's always a half
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  Speaker 1: dozen that I meet, it's just the best. Half the time,
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  Speaker 1: it's the couple listens to the show together.
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  Speaker 4: Half the time.
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  Speaker 1: Like the kid I met who's a grad student at
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  Speaker 1: Northwestern who dragged his girlfriend to the show.
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  Speaker 4: She ended up talking to me and my death.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, please put a ring on that, brother,
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  Speaker 1: because that is just next level commitment that she's coming
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  Speaker 1: to this god forsaken show with two guys she's never
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  Speaker 1: seen and she ends up talking to my nearly eighty
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  Speaker 1: year old dad.
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  Speaker 6: You we mentioned the real trooper was the guy who
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  Speaker 6: made his girlfriend come that had the torn acllo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: And she couldn't have been more of a love. She
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  Speaker 3: was so sweet, so kind.
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  Speaker 6: The fact that she came with that leg into that
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  Speaker 6: bars running by just hooligans. I mean, people were absolutely
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  Speaker 6: out of their minds and I was like, man, I
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  Speaker 6: had go say hi to her. So that was really
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  Speaker 6: cool talking.
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  Speaker 2: To her and her husband, Chad.
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  Speaker 5: That couple that came from southern Indiana was Kent and
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  Speaker 5: Emily Summers, and I remember their name one because they're
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  Speaker 5: just lovely and I hope to see them in Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 5: but also because when the event concluded, Emily and my
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  Speaker 5: wife became the very best of friends for many reasons,
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  Speaker 5: but one of those was that Emily shared that it
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  Speaker 5: had been it had been very tough because she had
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  Speaker 5: had her daughter the week. Sports were canceled in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 5: and so did. My wife had our youngest Maxine Danger
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  Speaker 5: Mitchell that same week. So bonding over that was a
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  Speaker 5: lot of fun. They were a delight. And yet the
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  Speaker 5: lady with the torny cl I forgot about that. She
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  Speaker 5: was like she couldn't move at all. She was like
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  Speaker 5: they got her in. She sat on a barstool with
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  Speaker 5: her leg on another barstool and that's where she had
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  Speaker 5: to stay around. Yeah, complete hooliganism. I also want to
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  Speaker 5: shout out Chad's father, So if you're at home, I
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  Speaker 5: want you to close your eyes.
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  Speaker 4: Barry Milman, Sure, yeah, just picture Chad.
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  Speaker 5: Noman in an even smaller, older body, just as big
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  Speaker 5: of a mensch, and he looks like Stan Kroncky, the
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  Speaker 5: owner of the Rams. It was a absolute pleasure. He
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  Speaker 5: said the nicest things. What a sweet fellow your dad is.
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  Speaker 4: He is a fantastic guy. I love him to death.
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  Speaker 1: True man, that's a great way to describe so many
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  Speaker 1: people in my life who said to me, oh Berry Moman,
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  Speaker 1: class act menchi Ah, mensche guy.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking to hooligans. You had a group of buddies that
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  Speaker 2: came Chad.
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  Speaker 1: I had high school buddies that came and this was
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorites, Andy, Josh Dave. I got to
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  Speaker 1: hang out with them, which was fantastic. And at one
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  Speaker 1: point they were talking to a bunch of there were
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of fans there who listened to
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  Speaker 1: the show, and then a lot of fans who just
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  Speaker 1: brought friends with them, right who don't listen to the show,
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  Speaker 1: and that included This is one of my favorite moments.
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  Speaker 1: This kid who graduated from Indiana, Simon, he grew up
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  Speaker 1: until he was ten years old in Liverpool, moved to
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  Speaker 1: the United States. I told him, your family's from Burnley
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  Speaker 1: and he's like wow, Like even Liverpool looks down on Burnley,
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  Speaker 1: that's how bad Burnley is. And he ended up playing
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  Speaker 1: soccer in Indiana. Indiana has a great soccer program, always
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  Speaker 1: does for generations. So we were talking about Indiana soccer
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  Speaker 1: and they went to the final four, like two of
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  Speaker 1: the three or three or four years he was there.
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  Speaker 1: I went to Indiana. I had been on stage with
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  Speaker 1: you no less than fifteen minutes earlier. And he looks
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  Speaker 1: at me and we're talking and Andy or Josh or Dave,
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  Speaker 1: one of my buddies had says something to me about
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  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 4: He goes, oh, you're a part of the show. Had
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  Speaker 4: no idea.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say that was another cool part of
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  Speaker 6: the I have so many cool things me and all
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  Speaker 6: the fans. Was how many people there weren't actually gamblers.
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  Speaker 6: They were just football fans and just fans of me
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  Speaker 6: and Chad, like, which was shocking because I thought everyone
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  Speaker 6: there would be big time gamblers. I talked to a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people there just they love hearing our football opinions.
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  Speaker 6: They love final long during the season, and they love
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  Speaker 6: the off season when we do all the interviews.
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  Speaker 3: So that was great. And yeah, piggyback off.
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  Speaker 6: Like Matt Mitchell said, meeting Chad's dad and Chad's buddies
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  Speaker 6: from kindergarten probably one of my favorite parts.
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  Speaker 3: Like seeing pictures of young Chad was.
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  Speaker 6: Really really funny, especially in your like eighties outfit, got
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  Speaker 6: the high socks, the really short shorts, the T shirts
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  Speaker 6: and then yeah, Matt, Matt Mitchell's wife and you know
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  Speaker 6: the old saying behind every good man is a great woman.
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  Speaker 6: Great woman just so cool, so down and you can tell,
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  Speaker 6: like even talking to her about gambling.
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  Speaker 3: It's like fuck. I love women that love the gamble.
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  Speaker 3: So Matt Mitchell obviously hit a home run.
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  Speaker 6: It was just great too, just run into everybody true
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  Speaker 6: that we work with, right Stucky coming down having drinks
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  Speaker 6: with him.
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  Speaker 3: It was it was a really good time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, dude, you've just transitioned to my favorite part of
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  Speaker 1: the night. And I will say also that the pictures
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  Speaker 1: of me and Simon and my dad are just treasures
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  Speaker 1: because Simon is twice as tall as me and my dad.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think if my dad was standing on my shoulders,
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  Speaker 1: we would be as tall as Simon. My friends loved Simon.
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  Speaker 1: They felt like they had been friends with Simon for
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  Speaker 1: longer than he's been alive.
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  Speaker 3: Someone, I'm invited to the vacation.
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  Speaker 4: You can come on the vacation.
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  Speaker 1: And I forgot that my buddy Dave broke out pictures
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  Speaker 1: of me from overnight camp yourself. But here's my favorite
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  Speaker 1: part of the night. And then well then we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to the show. It's the second half of the Duke game.
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  Speaker 1: It's about to start.
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  Speaker 4: Simon.
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  Speaker 1: You and Irish, goodbye. Irish exited. God only knows when
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  Speaker 1: I could not find you anywhere. I was surprised that
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  Speaker 1: I was still hanging on. At this point, Stucky is
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  Speaker 1: alone in the green room, lamenting all the Texas Tech
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  Speaker 1: futures that he had that had blown up in the
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  Speaker 1: final five minutes of that game. Matt's wife, Carinn is
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  Speaker 1: having the time of her life at the bar, which
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  Speaker 1: she would pay for the next day. Meanwhile, Matt, who
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  Speaker 1: likes to go out and drink all night with Stucky
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  Speaker 1: more than anybody I've ever met in his entire life,
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  Speaker 1: in my entire life, like this dude, if he was Stucky,
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  Speaker 1: he wants to be out until the sun rise. He
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  Speaker 1: has to be somewhat responsible for the entire event. Still,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm talking to a few listeners, including my favorite
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  Speaker 1: email pen pal member of Chicagoland's bravest, huge, lifelong, long
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  Speaker 1: suffering Bears fan, Matt O'Donnell, came to the event.
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  Speaker 4: One of the three fans that I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Talking talking to asks about Mitchell and I point him
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  Speaker 1: out at the bar, and the guy says, and he goes, man,
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  Speaker 1: that guy eats wings with rubber gloves.
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  Speaker 4: That is serious, serial killer vibes.
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  Speaker 2: So smart man. I'll note that he didn't approach me
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  Speaker 2: or talk to me, so that's a good move on
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  Speaker 2: his part.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't time. I was taken over that part of
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  Speaker 1: the bar and nobody was coming in.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, I want to run through, so make sure that
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  Speaker 5: listeners who did not participate here about quickly.
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  Speaker 3: One.
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  Speaker 5: I will say, the pictures of you, your dad and
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  Speaker 5: Simon looked like one of those nesting dolls, but it's
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  Speaker 5: missing several of the intermediary dolls.
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  Speaker 2: You just open up the big one and it's two
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  Speaker 2: little ones in the middle. I loved that. I wanted to.
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  Speaker 5: Pander to your friends directly, Chad in my show intro,
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  Speaker 5: so I started your intro onto the stage with he's
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  Speaker 5: made a lifelong commitment to eating like a small Amazonian bird,
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  Speaker 5: and two of your buddies that they're gonna have a
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  Speaker 5: heart attack, and like that's it. Those are the only
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  Speaker 5: two guys that left at that I thought they.
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  Speaker 2: Were gonna pass out.
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  Speaker 5: So I appreciate that the security guard that Joe's on
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  Speaker 5: Weed shout out Joe's on Weed Elite venue couldn't read
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  Speaker 5: us nice or at unbelievable hospitality. Go there anytime, watch
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  Speaker 5: any game there. Can't recommend them enough. They gave us
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  Speaker 5: a security guard to make sure no one goes upstairs
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  Speaker 5: to the private area. World of our stuff is. He
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  Speaker 5: looks like Ving Raims couldn't have been a nicer guy.
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  Speaker 5: I also had a ton of features on Texas Tech
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  Speaker 5: making the Final Four. While me and stuck here are
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  Speaker 5: having our souls leave our bodies. It's a Florida bar
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  Speaker 5: and he kind of leans over it season I'm not
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  Speaker 5: not having a great time, and he goes, who are
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  Speaker 5: you rooting for? And I realized he was a Florida fan.
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  Speaker 5: He a little Florida pin on and I go, oh, uh, Florida,
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  Speaker 5: and he goes, all right, fix your face. So for
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: that guy, I pretended to be a Florida fan for
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  Speaker 5: the rest of the evening, So shout out to him.
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  Speaker 2: Loved him him.
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  Speaker 5: And I did have to load the four recliners that
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  Speaker 5: we used. It was too expensive to rent, so we
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  Speaker 5: just said, oh, let's just buy the recliners that the
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  Speaker 5: four stars will sit down on the stage. But obviously
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  Speaker 5: one of those is getting loaded into my car and
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  Speaker 5: driven home because hell, we bought him.
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  Speaker 2: So if anyone in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 5: Wants a recliner, it's only had an ass on it
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  Speaker 5: for like fifty five total minutes.
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  Speaker 2: You just reach out to me. I'll put it right
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  Speaker 2: out front, you can drive it away.
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  Speaker 5: And then, last, but not least, shout out to an old,
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  Speaker 5: loves the show, and I hadn't seen it in a
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: very long time. I'll note that I said, Hey, didn't
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  Speaker 5: you have an insane business card when we were undergrads
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  Speaker 5: twenty years ago?
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a picture of it?
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  Speaker 5: He goes, yeah, here it is, and he used this
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  Speaker 5: card to get a job when he was twenty two.
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  Speaker 5: The front is just mania with his information, but the
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  Speaker 5: back this is what it reads. There's never anything interesting
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• 14:45
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  Speaker 1: the Bets the College Years, former ESPN producer now and
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  Speaker 1: College Game Day Maestro either Way now the most popular
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  Speaker 1: sports betting figure across all of sports maybe in America.
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  Speaker 1: Host of the Bear Bets podcast, handicapper of everything from
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  Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl and the Breeders Cup to the Valero
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  Speaker 1: Cup and the Battle for Atlantis. It's Chris the Bear Felika,
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  Speaker 1: my brother.
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  Speaker 4: Great to see you, and.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget the college Basketball Crown which is.
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  Speaker 4: Currently That's right, that's a huge event.
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  Speaker 7: I mean that was something where like weeks ago when
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  Speaker 7: the NCAA Tournament started and the people knew this was coming.
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  Speaker 7: It was one of those where like guys that I
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  Speaker 7: know were like, we are just gonna blindly bet the
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  Speaker 7: overs in these games because people are there's gonna be
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  Speaker 7: no defense. People are gonna want to play them and
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  Speaker 7: get boost nil and score and just go out and
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  Speaker 7: have fun. And we saw four games on Monday just
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  Speaker 7: completely soar over the total with relative in these games
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  Speaker 7: were moving seven eight points and they were still going
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  Speaker 7: over easily. Yeah, we added the college basketball crown to
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  Speaker 7: our arsenalism.
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  Speaker 4: What's going on? Man, Hey, listen, that's what I love
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  Speaker 4: about you. There is nothing. This is a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: You and Simon are sort of kindred spirits in this way.
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  Speaker 1: Stanford a little bit too. You guys will fire away
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  Speaker 1: on anything. You will find a way to handicap, examine
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  Speaker 1: the games to discover the edge, no matter the event.
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  Speaker 4: The amount of conversations I've had with.
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  Speaker 1: You going deep in the weeds on horse racing, let alone,
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  Speaker 1: like sports people actually pay attention to over the course
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  Speaker 1: of your life is phenomenal. I love the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you even went deep on the college basketball crown. Simon,
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  Speaker 1: you can relate to that for me, Chad.
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  Speaker 3: The action is the juice.
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  Speaker 4: That's right there.
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  Speaker 6: We go.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you could tell people how you even got into bedding.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, I was.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I was like kind of like everyone else,
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  Speaker 7: just a kid from kid from Long Island who grew
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  Speaker 7: up around it, brings home the the parlay cards from
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  Speaker 7: wherever the hell he got of worked all card prepare
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  Speaker 7: shop or whatever the hell and no was but uh yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I was just one of those and then put your
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  Speaker 7: put your allowance on a three or fourteen parlay on
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  Speaker 7: one of those little parlay cards.
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  Speaker 2: However young I was, and I kind of kind of
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  Speaker 2: knew to follow it then. But my my dad's.
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  Speaker 7: Godfather used to write for a racing publication in New York.
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  Speaker 7: We we we had a little a quarter horse track
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  Speaker 7: Suffolk Meadows near where I grew up. We were always
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  Speaker 7: going to the track and we had basically seasoned season
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  Speaker 7: tickets or partial season tickets for Jets, Islanders, Yankees for forever.
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  Speaker 7: So I mean, I was always around sports, and I
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  Speaker 7: always kind of knew the knew the numbers, and knew
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  Speaker 7: what was going on. So I was just kind of
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  Speaker 7: kind of kind of kind of grew up about it.
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  Speaker 7: And then going to school in Miami and being around
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  Speaker 7: football and horse racing down there, it was just kind
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  Speaker 7: of a u and a natural deal. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 7: it's a it's always dumb. Numbers and betting have always
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  Speaker 7: been a part of my life and it's turned into
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  Speaker 7: kind of a career as well.
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  Speaker 2: So kind of cool.
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  Speaker 4: I do feel like Miami accelerates the process. You think,
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  Speaker 4: I do, I really do.
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, there was so much it's a
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  Speaker 1: sneaky betting capital. Oh yeah, And there's a great story
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  Speaker 1: Miami in the thirties and forties. There was this tug
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  Speaker 1: and pull and the fifties really about the betting community,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody knew in local government all the way up
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  Speaker 1: to the governor that the people who visited Miami in
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  Speaker 1: the winter wanted to be able to bet, and so
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  Speaker 1: they relaxed all the gaming laws in Miami in the winter,
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  Speaker 1: and then as soon as everybody left sort of around March,
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  Speaker 1: there was a literally a one man betting vice squad
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  Speaker 1: who would go around busting up all the bookies and
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  Speaker 1: putting them in jail, finding them they'd try to make
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  Speaker 1: money off the fines whatever, and then as soon as
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  Speaker 1: the winter came back around, everybody was free to do
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  Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. Again, Miami has always had
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  Speaker 1: that edge for betting that would make people want to
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  Speaker 1: bet even more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and certainly you got things like like highlie and
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  Speaker 7: do dog racing down there. When when I was in
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  Speaker 7: school there that kind of a lot of that fixing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you had you had the plenty of on campus bookies
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  Speaker 7: that were willing to appease that I never got paid
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  Speaker 7: by one of them kind of kind of disappointing. We
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: used to have a little bit of a a routine
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  Speaker 7: where me and my me and my buddies. As soon
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  Speaker 7: as we were done, I would get out of we'd
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  Speaker 7: get out of our last class. We'd get together apartment
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  Speaker 7: thirty three y. We would get together and kind of
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  Speaker 7: come up with our plan for the evening. And at
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  Speaker 7: the time, we used to love We used to love
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  Speaker 7: like the reverses, and we didn't have a ton of money,
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  Speaker 7: so we're betting like twenty five dollars reverses and it
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  Speaker 7: was then like and we used to it was ninety
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  Speaker 7: two ninety three around there, so.
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  Speaker 2: It was like the jazz and the sonics were like great.
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  Speaker 7: So it's in like for like every night we were
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  Speaker 7: doing like a twenty five dollars reverse jazz and sonics
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  Speaker 7: and they were it was winning like every night. And
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  Speaker 7: then uh, then our boyfriend the podcast never paid us,
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  Speaker 7: so it was kind of kind of shitty.
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  Speaker 4: Why how do you not have muscle?
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  Speaker 2: I had? I had no muscle back then.
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  Speaker 7: It was always all, yeah, there's an envelope coming that
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  Speaker 7: I'm getting an envelope today, and then the envelope the
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  Speaker 7: album never came and then it was like, Okay, we
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  Speaker 7: need to we need to stop wasting our time and
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  Speaker 7: disappointing ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, you know it's freaky. We never even talked about
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  Speaker 1: this when I was starting at Sports Illustrated. This is like,
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  Speaker 1: right out of college, there was a Super Bowl in Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Might have been ninety four, I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: That would have been Chargers Chargers Donners.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. I don't know if you were in school
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  Speaker 4: then or not.
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  Speaker 2: I graduated in May ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So I was in Miami for Sports Illustrator.
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  Speaker 1: We had decided to do a ex Simon wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: born at this point, but uh, we had decided to
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  Speaker 1: do a gambling issue, and because I was one of
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  Speaker 1: the most recent graduates and could still connect with college
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  Speaker 1: students at the magazine I was in Miami and asked
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  Speaker 1: me to start reporting and like talk to kids at
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  Speaker 1: U of M.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I ended up doing an entire what's called a sidebar
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  Speaker 1: about bookies at the U.
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  Speaker 4: Of M campus.
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  Speaker 2: Really yeah, wow.
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  Speaker 1: I spent a whole afternoon with a group of kids
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  Speaker 1: who were in a fraternity at U of M who
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  Speaker 1: were booking the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder.
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  Speaker 7: I wonder if it was the saint one of the
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  Speaker 7: one of the same guys. It could have been very
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: very easily could have been. Well, we'll have to share share,
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: We'll have to go back and look it up. So
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  Speaker 7: we have to talk about that off the air. I
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  Speaker 7: don't want to reveal any names, but you will any
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  Speaker 7: trade secrets. But yeah, the the name would be recognizable
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  Speaker 7: to uh, just some people.
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  Speaker 4: That's too funny.
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  Speaker 2: The surname would be would be would be.
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  Speaker 4: Recognizable, Simon.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't it make a nostalgic for the opportunities to go
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  Speaker 1: book on a college campus?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 7: Oh god, if we knew, if we knew now, it's
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  Speaker 7: slim and what we knew, we could have known then
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  Speaker 7: I screwed that up.
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  Speaker 6: The worst part of it though, that that work booking
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  Speaker 6: with college kids and then having a track down when
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  Speaker 6: you actually win to get your money was the worst.
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  Speaker 3: I think everyone went through that, right.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone had that guy that disappeared after he got into
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  Speaker 6: a huge hole with a bunch of different people, and
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  Speaker 6: it's like, oh, that guy just left our school because
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: he had so many people with money.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm with Chris, it's like the glory days.
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  Speaker 6: But it was also man dealing with that headache of
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: chasing people and running from people was definitely a thing
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  Speaker 6: of the past.
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  Speaker 1: Well, FeliCa, like, you're an og You've been doing this forever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're now legal, We're seven years into being legal.
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  Speaker 1: We're coming up on the seven year anniversary of pass
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  Speaker 1: the Professional Amateur Sports Protection Act being overturned. Like, what
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  Speaker 1: do you see the difference between pre legalization and today?
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  Speaker 1: Even three years ago and today?
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  Speaker 7: You see I mean, obviously you see the market flooded
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  Speaker 7: a lot more, with just a lot more people trying
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  Speaker 7: to get their share of it from whether it's a
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  Speaker 7: pick sellers, social media influencers, just just kind of creating
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  Speaker 7: that crossover between like just okay, here, I know what
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  Speaker 7: I'm talking about and you should pick this. Is it
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  Speaker 7: more of a an information based thing? Is it more
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: of a an entertainment based thing? Depending on who the
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: people on social media that you follow, But yeah, I
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  Speaker 7: just know, I almost wonder if we're to point of
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  Speaker 7: or maybe we've reached the point as well. I'd like
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  Speaker 7: to ask if we reached a point of like saturation
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  Speaker 7: in the market, where there's so much information and so
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  Speaker 7: many people out there that we kind of at the
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  Speaker 7: point where we're going to start to eat ourselves and
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  Speaker 7: maybe we're going to see a little bit of a
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  Speaker 7: pullback on You're going to see a lot of people
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  Speaker 7: maybe getting out of it, falling by the wayside, and
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  Speaker 7: it's going to kind of get back to just maybe
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  Speaker 7: not moderation, but fewer people, fewer I don't want to
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: say talit, fewer pick sellers, fewer accounts out there, or
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  Speaker 7: are we going to continue at this level because it
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: seems like we're at a point where there's just a
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  Speaker 7: lot of bullshit out there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, I feel like in eighteen nineteen twenty, everybody
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  Speaker 1: was trying to figure out how to be a sports
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  Speaker 1: betting media analyst because that was their way to get
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  Speaker 1: on TV. And I think very quickly there was recognition
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  Speaker 1: of where there was authenticity and fluency with the language.
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  Speaker 1: It's not easy to talk about these things and sound
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  Speaker 1: like you know what you're talking about, right, you know, Felika,
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  Speaker 1: When I used to go on Sports Center back in
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  Speaker 1: the day before we started Action and even a little
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  Speaker 1: bit after, the conversation was always who's the anchor who
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: can talk about totals, who can talk about spreads?
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  Speaker 4: Who can talk.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: About bookmakers outside of Scott van Pelt, right, Like, how
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  Speaker 1: are we going to have that conversation? Because the anchors
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  Speaker 1: aren't that comfortable with it, and to their credit, they
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: don't want to be put in the position where they
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: are uncomfortable with it. So it's hard to find the
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  Speaker 1: people who can even communicate the language.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a huge issue. Simon.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You've been sort of growing up in this space the
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  Speaker 1: past five or six years. You probably see a huge
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  Speaker 1: difference between the people who look and sound legit and
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  Speaker 1: the people who you can tell are just sort of
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  Speaker 1: doing it for the face.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's always been this way, where I think
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  Speaker 6: it's worse because it's so much more in our faces
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  Speaker 6: right with social media.
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  Speaker 3: But you guys grew up in the same thing where
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  Speaker 3: I did. With the eight hundred number.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, there's always guys in the radio selling picks,
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  Speaker 6: selling their bullshit, and.
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  Speaker 3: You'd call up right they do that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: We got three free plays this weekend and went three
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  Speaker 6: to ozer call this number for the one play that
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: isn't free, Well, it's a guaranteed winner like that that
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: is instilled into gambling, the folklore and now it's a
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: little different because it's these faceless people, right, it's these
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  Speaker 6: guys who make these Twitter accounts or social media accounts.
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  Speaker 3: They'll sell picks.
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  Speaker 6: People figure out quickly these guys are frauds, and they'll
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  Speaker 6: delete the account and then make a new account and
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: then hit one of their parlays, post a ticket, get
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: people sucked in again. So I do think it's we're
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: in the weird stage of these people need to go
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  Speaker 6: through these frauds and realize this is not a get
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: rich scheme, Like you're not gonna win millions of dollars
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  Speaker 6: on parlays in your first year of gambling. And you
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: know that's the toughest part to watch it, because you know,
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  Speaker 6: what are we supposed to do?
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  Speaker 3: We all we can do. I'm saying Chris has the
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  Speaker 3: same idea.
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  Speaker 6: I can only focus on myself and try to be
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  Speaker 6: as best as I can put out the best info
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  Speaker 6: I can put out that I know is legit, rather
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  Speaker 6: than waste time just bad mouthing all these people all
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  Speaker 6: the time because.
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  Speaker 3: There's no point.
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  Speaker 6: Like That's why I love what we do is because
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  Speaker 6: eventually you're gonna get figured out, like people if they're
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  Speaker 6: gonna track you and follow your picks.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna eventually figure out, Okay, this dude's a fraud.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm with Chris, like, I hate that side of it,
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  Speaker 6: but luckily, I think we're kind of on the back
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  Speaker 6: end of it. I think eventually people are getting kind
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: of wiser to it. And you know, me and Chat
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: we talk about this all the time. The news shift
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  Speaker 6: is definitely the parlays, right, That's that's the new thing
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: in the sports media stuff where you know, me and
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Chat like to give out our straight bets. We're now
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: in a position of, you know, maybe we should give
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  Speaker 6: out one or two parlays a week because that's what
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: people like the bet. So that's that's an easy adjustment
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: we're trying to make, right Chat, We're trying to adjust
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: to what the people like the bet in the market.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: Where as professionals we advise against it. But if it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: for fun, right, if there's a difference between betting five
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  Speaker 6: I was on a game and betting one hundred dollars
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  Speaker 6: on a parlay, right, So that's what we're trying to
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: really get into now.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm with Chris though, like there's some stuff.
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  Speaker 6: That makes my blood boil boil, that I see online
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  Speaker 6: and I just I butite my tongue because I know
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  Speaker 6: there's there's no there's no point, right, it's that crab mentality.
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  Speaker 6: They'll just pull you down with you into the bucket,
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  Speaker 6: so there's no point of viewing jumping in. They're just
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: gonna pull you down.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: So it is tough.
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, you know what, just let them, let them.
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  Speaker 7: You don't interact with them. You just let them do
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  Speaker 7: their thing. And it's kind of out of sight, out
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  Speaker 7: of mind. But but you did bring up something funny,
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: and I do have to just say now and now
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: a message from the world famous chiny DeMarco, the ex
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: coach doctor Ron Beash has a five star winner. There
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: used to be that used to be Saturday morning ritual
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: on a prior to college game day, seven am. We
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: would get to the site and Fowler was like Fowler
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  Speaker 7: was like leading the charge because he just all of
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  Speaker 7: the laughable entertainment value we'd throw on the sports advisors
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  Speaker 7: and you'd.
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  Speaker 2: Have Stu Feiner and Ron Besh and whoever the.
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: Hell Kelson maybe Kelso Sturgeon, all all of the Jim Feist,
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: all all the the capers of the day, the TV
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  Speaker 7: cappers and we used to just you'd have you'd have
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: Stu Finer in front of a green screen of Arrowhead
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  Speaker 7: Stadium behind him, and I'd literally see his face in
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  Speaker 7: just nine hundred numbers and eight hundred numbers. It's flashing stars.
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  Speaker 7: We we watching the sports Advisors on Saturday morning. Used
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  Speaker 7: to be the uh, the way we would get fired
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  Speaker 7: up for college game day. He just instant last it
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  Speaker 7: was great.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I do think there's you know, it's Felika.
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  Speaker 1: We just had this event in Chicago over the weekend
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  Speaker 1: and we had you know, a few several hundred people
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  Speaker 1: that came.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, it was available, it was free. It was
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  Speaker 4: free for the public.
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  Speaker 1: You could have come out. But next time you can
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  Speaker 1: be a special. That would be a fun one. Get
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Falika to comby a special guest. I was talking to
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of kids who just graduated from Indiana. It's
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  Speaker 1: the son of a buddy of mine and all of
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  Speaker 1: his friends. All these really smart guys, really smart guys,
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  Speaker 1: not sort of the sort of Indiana kids who don't
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  Speaker 1: major in business. These were the top of the top
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  Speaker 1: at Indiana and they want to be betting heroes. They
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: were excited about the same game parlay that they cashed
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  Speaker 1: for fifteen hundred dollars, and I looked at the guy
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and he thought I was going to be like, oh
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: my god, that's amazing. I'm like, yeah, you and every
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: other fuck are on the internet and it's like all
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: anybody will talk about is cashing their five dollars for
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  Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars ticket.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: It's like as you look at like your thumb across
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: your kings and FanDuel lugs, that's all I have early
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  Speaker 7: access to in Connecticut here, and it's just like same
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  Speaker 7: game parlay at thirty thirty, same game. I'm looking for
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  Speaker 7: like a like a nice deposit bonus or like a
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  Speaker 7: fifty boost on a single game or an underdog.
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  Speaker 2: Same game parlay, same game parlay, same game parla.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, I'm not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: So that's impactful for you because you transitioned from sort
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: of back of the house sometimes on camera but mostly
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: producing supporting, researching, to now being fully on camera as a.
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  Speaker 4: Straight down the barrel sports betting talent. Is it what
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: you expected?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's been great, and it's something that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: When we when we were at ESPN and when when
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: perhaps the first first got overturned, like the guys involved
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: on game Day new fraud, and that was people always
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: ask me like, like what we you like? Maybe maybe
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: they'll ask me or I'll just volunteer and say, like
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: the thing I was most proud of in my time
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: at college game day and my time it was like
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: being at the forefront of getting wagering type information out there,
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: whether whether it was a reaction to a spread or
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: a historical note that might find a game interesting. We
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: didn't beat around the butch. We knew people were betting
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: on games, and we were just gonna be in the forefront.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: Like but the challenge for us before it was free
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: and legal, and it wasn't the wild Wild West. Was
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: just a way to phrase it and get it out
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: there where it isn't just like, ok we're laying eight
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: and a half with Ohio State today. It was like, Okay,
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: they had the odds makers expect Michigan State to lose
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: today against the number one Ohio State.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: They're a ten point underdog. But keep in mind.
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Games at Michigan State, where Mark d Antonio's team has
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: been a double digit underdog, they've won nine of them
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: out right and covered that. So it's like a way
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: to make it informative where the average fan who wasn't
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: gonna bet on a game still might find that interesting.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: But the fact that we're ably able to do that
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: made me very happy at game day. And I think, uh,
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: not only myself, but Lea Fitting who was the producer
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: for the time for a long time, Fowler Herbstreet. They
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: always saw this by it and it's the same thing
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: that you saw when you met me and ran into me.
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: Just the passion and the knowledge and the getting animated
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: and getting the New York Hans and voice going loud
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: and and they're like, we need to capture this on television.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: And then finally they were like, okay, game Day expanded
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: to like three hours, and it was like, you've got
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: no more say in the matter.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: We're I was always worried.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: I don't want to look like an idiot and start
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: rambling and get going. And I didn't necessarily worry about
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: like freezing or being scared of doing it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know. And then finally, no,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: we're doing it, and I'm glad. I'm glad we did.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: We were able to figure out away with the board
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: and just kind of interacting and throwing some historical nuggets
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: in there at times, and it worked out well. And
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: that's one of the things that I don't want to
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: say it's pushbacker bows and arrows, but it's just a
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: little bit of depending on on your viewpoint of things,
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: like one of the things right now where I don't
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: struggle with it because I'm free, I'm fully transparent.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I say like, I'm I'm a researcher at heart.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: That's how I got started in sports and numbers and
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: math and history and studying and digging through media guides
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: for a note in the middle of the night, like
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: all o, I'll come up with the historical, like a
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: bunch of historical notes about the NCAA tournament and what.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Does this have to do with this year? And I like,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: potentially nothing.
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: I'm a I'm a historian, I'm a researcher at heart,
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: and I'm just throwing some inform. Not everything that I
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: put out there has to be gambling, really, but I
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: will say this a lot of like the specific things
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: that I'll tweet out during football season about maybe an
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: unranked team favored by a certain number over a top
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: fifteen team or whatever. Like, the teams may be different,
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: but the types of teams and the situations remain the same.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: So I do think there is some value in some
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: of those situational type type deals where you've got things
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: that fit a system. Even though, like I said, might
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: when I make a game in two thousand and four
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: between Miami and Florida State might not have anything to
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: do with it between a game between Ohio State and
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: Michigan in twenty twenty four, But if the situation works
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: then then then it's still something I think that that's
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: interesting and maybe follow away in the back of the mind.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you bring that up. We have
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Evan Abrams, who I'm sure.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: You are from.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Where is he by the way, I don't know where
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: he is right now, Matt mc.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I saw him on the invite. Yeah, Oh he's busy
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: doing March Madness videos for me.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Oh he's doing something else.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, he'll come on the show every week
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: during the football season and he will always come on
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and oh he's in there, he's in the chat, and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: he will always come on and he will give this
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: incredible information similar to what you were just talking about
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And I think the hardest part, Simon, I want you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: to weigh in on this because I think this is
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: important for people listening is trying to decide how much
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: to let historical trends and precedents influence what we are
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: looking at in the moment. For me, it's always a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: little bit of a mind fuck. I get it's hard
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to determine when to lean into that and when to not.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but we say all the time chat it's just
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: another tool in the toolbox, like it's just something else
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: you can use try to find an edge. And I
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: love it because I am a big believer that history
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: just always repeats itself, Like you're always gonna have of
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: the outliers, right, Like Lesser City winning the Premier League
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: never gonna happen again the rest of our lives. Right,
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: This team that was five thousand to one to win
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: the Premier League never gonna happen. You know, Villan Nova
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: that what was eighty five having that crazy run, probably
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: never gonna see something like that ever again in the rest.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Of our lives. Those are outliers.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: But a lot of other stuff, like you really dive
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: into your break it down. It's great info and something
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: you should really listen to and take serious. Like Evan
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: came on and literally told us if a team's greater
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: than what was it, eighteen to one or fifteen to
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: one to win March Badness, they're not gonna win.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Like historical data shows us the top favorites.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: Even when it's a crazy year and George Mason's making a.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Final four, the Chalk team still is probably gonna win
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: the end.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: And here we're sitting now with four teams in the
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: final four, and it's like, Okay, this is why Evan
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: gives us those type of stats where it's like this
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: might not ring true, but I'm trying to give you
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: guys an edge and the fact that mathematically, if you're
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: betting these long shot odds on these March Badness it's
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: a dumb bet. Go with the Chalk long term the
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: future market, it's going to pay out. And I mean,
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: like we just said, here we are, and it's like,
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: that's why Evan gives out that info. It's it's good info,
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: but he's not telling you to do it. He's just
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: showing you a path of the way that it could go.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: That's why I love that stuff. It's like another great
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: tool to use.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: And that's one of the things too, Like I I
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: was like, when you when you fill out your bracket,
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: your odds are you're only gonna want to use it
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: in most two number one seeds because people are gonna
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: think that all than all the number ones are gonna
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: get through. And it just happened to be an outlier
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: that that's gonna be a great question moving forward.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Is this year an outlier we're all for it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: Is it just a situation where these four or five
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: teams were just better than everyone else, or is this
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: gonna be the norm moving forward where we're gonna get
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: three or four number one seed.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: But but that's one of all they're gonna we're good,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get all four this year.
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: But I'm just thinking of like a historical play on
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: like game theory, like if you're filling out.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Your bracket, like you want to differentiate your bracket and
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: not have awful but hey this year.
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: But you know, as a fan, that's the thing that
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: a lot of peop people struggle sometimes as separating better
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: and fan like as a fan, having these four teams
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: the best four teams that we've said all year long,
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: and watching them play is great as a better not
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: having a single money line upset in the in the
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: in the Elite eight or the Sweet sixteen, and the
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: fewest historical upsets ever in terms of points spread, it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Hasn't been great as it better.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: I mean maybe maybe it's a year where the public
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: is doing Look the NFL public did great in the NFL.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sure public's done great in college basketball. No underdogs
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that won.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this is an easy business, Chad and Simon, money
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: line parlay all the favorites all.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: The time, right, yeah, sure, what has surprised you about this,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: this tournament that has these four number one c's.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Do you think that there is a sea change?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: We're always trying to figure out get ahead of the market,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: right in any respect? And I want to to ask
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you about the NFL too. Last year was a really
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: hard year for NFL underdogs. This year has been a
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: really hard year for college basketball underdogs. Is this an anomaly?
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Is this a sea change?
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: I don't want to overreact, certainly in college basketball because
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: people the knee jerk reaction, and maybe maybe it's gonna
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: prove to not be a knee jerk reaction.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Oh? Nil? Has destroyed it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: All these mid majors and low major their best players
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: are gonna go to all of these teams and they're
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: they're gonna dominate and you're not gonna get these seed updates,
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: seed up upsets in the tournament anymore, or they were
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: just the points sport upsets. But I don't know, if
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: I want to just I'm not there yet. You look
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: at the last like you look at the last four years,
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: the seeds in the final four.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: You had two number ones.
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: Last year, but you had a San Diego State who
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: was an eight seed and a Yukon who was a bad,
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: badly seeded team. They were four seed, but you had
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: Miami get to the final four. You had NC stated
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: is an eleven. You've had all these low all these
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: low seeds make the final four. So I don't know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: and you had I think the last I went back
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: and look yesterday I tweeted it out, but I think,
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: off the top of my head, it was like the
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: previous four years you had like eighteen, eighteen, twenty, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: nineteen upsets in the tournament to this point where you
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: had eleven this year.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So like, I'm not willing to say this is going
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to be a year in, year out type deal. So
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I hope I'm wrong. I think we can get this
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: is a happy medium here.
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: There's a happy medium of getting the upsets early in
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: the tournament, but having your your higher seeds win in
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: the elite, Elite eight in the Elite. In the Sweet sixteen,
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: you get a final four with two ones, a two,
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: and a three, and you get that. Maybe you get
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: an eleven seed in this Sweet sixteen, or you get
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: a ten seed or whatever.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: But getting back was funny.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: I was thinking thinking to what Simon was saying about
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: some of the stuff that Evan and I have put
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: out there, like how history tends to repeat itself. And
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: I think one of the interesting things was it's something
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: that Evan might have been involved in looking it up
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: initially when I was at ESPN with Keith Lipskimb as well,
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: when we put together the NCAA tournament pack. It was
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: just this kind of and I don't know if it
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: was with West Virginia one year, I don't know if
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: it was with Iowa Stay, I don't know who the
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: team was, but like these unranked teams at the start
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: of the year that wind up getting a two seed
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: and you had two of them this year in Michigan
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: State and Saint John's where they were unranked at the
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: start of the year. You have this completely off the
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: charts great regular season, and the previous thirty nine teams
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: to do it, none of them reached the final four.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: And the theory is these teams that weren't necessarily thought
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: to be good before the year, magical runs to the
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: final four in the national title games just typically don't
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: come from nowhere in that sense, and it wind up
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: did hold in true again this year WITHOU Saint John's
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: and Michigan State coming up just short.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Spartans made a good run.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: But that's what's great about that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: We can all a complain, all the x ESPN heads complain,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: can complain about a lot of things at ESPN. ESPN
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: freaking loves sports, yes, and the research to me, the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: research group, whether it was you know, UH SIG or
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: any other part of it, like those are diehards. What
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: you and Evan would do in that entire team that
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: was involved in research in any way UH would do
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: with research and come up with those stats.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: It's freaking glorious.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: It was, And in part of it too, is just
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: you having the the financial backing and the creative backing
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: of being able to say, Evan Bear, go go build
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: an NCAA tournament database, Uh, go build an ap poll
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: database with all the historical spread like like being able
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: to just given free reign to be able to do
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: that and knowing that you're you're going to get a
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: payoff off of that was just incredible.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: And still use it today, update him and have my
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: own stuff and do it.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: It's great true story. In twenty seventeen, when.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I had gotten the call from the Churning Group, who
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: was the company and the private equity business that wanted
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to launch what would become Action.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: It wasn't anything yet.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: They called and said, do you want to come found
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: this sports media betting business with us? And I was debating,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: am I going to leave a very comfortable life overseeing
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: ESPN Digital and living in Central Connecticut? Bear and like
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: a kid who was a freshman in high school and
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: you know a little bit another kid who was a
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: little bit younger, and they've got a great life. Am
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I going to dump that to go to this startup
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: make half as much money on the hope that it
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: will all get paid back if we sell it. One day,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting with John Skipper, who was the president of
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: ESPN at the time, and one of the things he
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: offered me to stay was to take over Stats and Information,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: which called SIG, which is like a two to three
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: hundred person group that is the heartbeat of every stat
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: every bit of research you see across every show at ESPN.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I think it is an amazing group.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Wasn't enough though, I was gonna say that that's a scoop? Yeah?
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Wowse are good times.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Bear.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you a little bit about the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: NFL because you had a tweet the other day. Simon
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: read the tweet that he had because I feel like
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: you and I and Chris I'll have difference of opinion
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: on this particular topic.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Bear, I thought it was really interesting you tweeted out,
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: you know, four or five days ago that you would
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: love to know how the QP position and depth and
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: development got so bad in the NFL. Is it a
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: college things? The guy's been said freegency that makes zero
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: Sense's what's your viewing that you just think we have
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: really shitty QB player? Are you just talking about the
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: back end, like the back five to thirty two.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: Guy, it just amazes me that we are at a
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: point in twenty twenty five head the season that like
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: there is a demand that Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: and Justin Fields like are like considered starting quarterbacks Like
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: like like, I don't know where where his the I
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: think someone who replied back like it's not that different.
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: There's always been really bad quarterback play at the end.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: But is someone who watched the Jets last year like
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: I look, I love I rooted for Aaron. I was
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: excited when he came to the Jets, and it sucked
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: that the ruptured his achilles when he when he did it,
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: you're looking at a guy now that what's again forty
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: one started the year coming off with an achilles injury?
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: Like is the market that bad that you're really looking
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: to run out there and have this guy who with times.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Last year looked like he was done. Like if you're.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, are you is that really
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: your your end game? And I guess part of the
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: problem too is maybe it's just a league wide pandemic
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: where so much of the league.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe is in the middle.
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: But you look at what look at what the uh
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: the the Bear like Joe justin fields like left and
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: like what he was able to what the Bears like
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: got for him, and there was no mark of him.
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: And now he's making whatever it is, like like it's
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: insane what the Jets are paying him compared to what
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: the market really really was for him that just a
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: year prior. But I lost my trainer of thought there.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: But oh yeah, the Steelers had that. You're a perfect example.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: They're a team that needs a quarterback. But like so
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: much of the league now with the parody and everyone's
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: in the middle, it's the worst place to be in
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: the NFL. And like you kind of think, Okay, we're
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: a quarterback away, we need that with one piece of
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: maybe it's lightning in a bottle with Russell Wilson. Maybe
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: we get one year at Aaron Rodgers and it's magic.
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: But like, you're never good enough to like make the
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: super Bowl, but you're never bottoming out where you're in
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: a position to draft a quarterback who's ultimately going to
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: be a team a team changer and get you on
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: court your year. You're you're nine and eight, you're making
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: the playoffs as a wild card. You're picking eighteenth every
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: year and it's like the worst place to be in
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: this So maybe that's part of it as well. But
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: maybe the college part of it as well, with with
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: the RPO and the in some of these spread offenses.
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: Maybe the maybe with the portal now in college football
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: where guys staying in the league earlier, they're older. I
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: don't I don't know what the answer is. I'm curious
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: to get your guys takes out, but it's just fascinating
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: to me that we're just kind of recycling these same
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: guys over and over again again. And maybe I don't
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: claim might know everything about the position, but it's amazing
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: the sport that I watch every Saturday, like and see
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: some of the guys that are there, I'm like, why
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: can't these guys be quarterbacks in the NFL.
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: We've definitely seen a switch to where you know, we
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: had that lost generation right with that Andrew Luck RG three,
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: Like the only guys that felt like survived it was
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: Stafford and Rogers, right that little like two guys out
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: of that whole group that ten year run. We just
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: even when Cam Newton came in, he had a year
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: or two like a really incredible but was sustainable and
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: we've seen now, I think just because athleticism now has
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: moved to be such a crucial part of the quarterback position.
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: Like you know, along like Tom Brady. As much I
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: love Tom, we all know he's the goat. He wouldn't
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: be in the league now. Like you go back and
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: look at his tape from back in the night.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: He had he had led in his shoes, Chad. He
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: could not move, he could not run. You can't be
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: a drop back standing in the pocket pass and then
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: I fun anymore. If you are, you're gonna be Derek Carr.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: You want Derek Carr and your team, Chad. No, you
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: don't want a guy who just stands back there. And
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: you don't want that anymore. It's evolved, right, You need
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: a mobile guy who can move, just because the athleticism
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: is just off the charts now. And it's funny going back,
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: even like I I before he came out, I went
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: back and looked and you know what were we working
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: with in two thousand and five, Like who were the
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: bottom guys? Because I just want to look at what
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: Chris was talking about here, and I looked at the
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: passing leaders, right, Dina looking at rushing just the passing leaders.
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: In two thousand and five, the bottom of the list
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: the worst quarterback in football Chris Simms not a shocker left,
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: Witch was right above him, Trent Dilfer right above him,
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: David Carr right above him. So it's like Aaron Brooks
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: right above him. So we've always had just the shit
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: at the bottom.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you.
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: Now it feels like it's more so because everyone wants
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: alive to themselves to be like, well the forty nine
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: ers got there with Jimmy Garoppolo right, Or you could
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: say that Eli Manning got to two super Bowls and
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: won two Super Bowls, like Joe Flakil got to a
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: super Bowl and won a Super Bowl. Everyone thinks they
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: can get away with having a bad quarterback. But I
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: feel like Chris kind of nail it there that we
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: ventured this stage of it feels like it's impossible now
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: unless you have just one of the best teams ever
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: put together where it used to be you can kind
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: of hide the bad quarterback.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Now to me, it's there's no hiding it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: Like if he's not a great athlete, if he's not
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: a great passer, defense, are gonna figure out they're gonna
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: take away whatever you're good at, They're gonna take it
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: away and make you look like where we just talking
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: about a blow bottom twenty five quarterback. So yeah, it's
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: interesting hearing your view on it, and I just think
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: that we're just in a weird stage of we had
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: a dead period there.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: We had these lost years where we.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: Didn't have any quarterbacks really coming out because there was
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: a transition of that pocket passer to being mobile athlete.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Like it's you look at the.
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: Position now, Josh Allen. If you dropped him back, I mean,
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: think how crazy we were about Mike Vick. You drop
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: Josh Allen back to that time period, Holy shit, people's
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: heads would be exploding. It's like, wait, this six or
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: five white dude to weighs two fifty can bulldoze a
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: linebacker and in the same move ship like shift off
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: the cornerback and throw a deep ball.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: It's it's just crazy how much it's just grown the
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: last twenty years.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: Like especially going back and watching film from two thousand
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: and five, it just feels like a totally different sport.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: I don't if you have to SAand view Chris, but
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: to me, it's just we're in different worlds now.
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it isn't one thing that I was thinking of
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: as well. What you were I say, before Chad jumps in,
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: I wonder if this overreaching and like taking some of
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: these quarterbacks too high in the draft and guys just
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: absolutely flopping, Like whether it be a mac Jones or
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: a Zach Wilson or a Fields or a.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Who meant name the quarter you can go down.
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: The list is endless of guys that wind up going
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: in the top ten, top twelve that absolutely flopped.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: And I wonder if that's maybe part of it as well,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: where like teams take.
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: These guys who really shouldn't go this high and they
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: predictably fail, Like do we just have this negative.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Kind of he stinks? He stinks, he stinks? Oh yeah,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: would they want him? He stinks?
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: So it's like, I wonder if it's kind of like
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: this self fulfilling prophecy on our end to just kind
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: of be negative.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Nice This is all contextual. There are no absolutes here.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: There are always going to be bad quarterbacks. There are
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: always going to be great quarterbacks. There are always going
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to be quarterbacks who come out of nowhere and surprise
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: you to become great quarterbacks. And there's always going to
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: be quarterbacks taking the top of.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: The draft who absolutely.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Flail and we're like this, dude sucks. I will say
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: this about Tom Brady. You don't become Tom Brady because
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: you don't adjust and what Tom Brady did, and I
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: think what a lot of quarterbacks don't do. They don't
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: spend the time to self scout. They don't spend the
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: time to be intellectually honest. You cannot succeed in anything
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: unless you are intellectually honest about what's in front of you,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: whether it's what your tape says, what your numbers say, etc.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: So you can actively improve for any better Simon, what
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: are we spending this whole offseason doing self scouting? Trying
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to figure out where do things go right? Where do
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: things go wrong in the twenty twenty five season. Do
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: we need to make adjustments because of previous rules changes?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: How do new rules changes impact what we might want
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: to be doing. Our favorites going to regress to where
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: they were before. Tom Brady was a master of self scouting.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick was a master of self scouting. That is
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: a gift that so many teams and so many coaches
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: are not accepting as a part of their responsibility. They
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: work out thinking they need to improve their body, they
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: need to improve certain elements of their game, but they
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: don't actually work on the elements as in depth as
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: they need to. They can actually make them better because
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: they were terrible at it. That's what Tom Brady did.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: He would have adjusted. He did adjust, And I would
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: also argue it's not like Joe Burrow or Matthew Stafford
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: are the most mobile quarterback.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: It is Joe Brow, Chadwick Burn, No, let me finish.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Let me finish.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: They're great in the pocket.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Their mobility is defined to the space that they are
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: supposed to stay in and then ability to be creative
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: when they need to be creative within a you know,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: ten yard radius in front of them, behind them, to
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the left of them, to the right of them. Tom
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Brady was great at that too, only he did that
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: within a two yard radius, right. It's just a little
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: bit of footwork to me, that is the difference.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Hey, he was a goat. I mean we're not taking
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: that way.
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying that if you took him and he
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: was a six round pick at that time because he
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: was good in the pocket. He was a good pocket passer.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: No one would even throw his tape on now because
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: it's like you need a guy that can run outside
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: the pocket. Like that's what I'm trying to get to,
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: is that I look at the NFL now, Stafford's been
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: granting fathered in, right, He's of that last group like
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers that passed. Aaron Rodgers was a great athlete
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: too when he was younger, so was Stafford. But we've
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: hit a point now of when I look at this
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: draft class, like there's no one just standing in the
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: pocket type of.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Guy that goes high in the draft anymore.
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: Like even when I go through all these previous shafts,
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: like we joked about Mac Jones, you know, he was
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: kind of a guy that was probably would have been
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: all right in the early two thousands. Now he's not
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: athletic enough, Like he's not mobile enough. He can't get
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: outside the pocket throwing the run.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: His career is over.
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: And it's just I look at our list now where
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: all of our top ten guys we talk every year
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: coming in, they're all incredibly great athletes. Like it's just
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: the way it is where back in the day. Like
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: one of my favorite errors was that, you know, Peyton
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: Manning was a statue in the pocket. Tom Brady was
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: a statue in the pocket. Drew Brees was a statue
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: in the pocket. It was like, these guys were so
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: grifted mentally. They didn't need to run and scramble right,
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: they knew exactly where the defenders going to be. And
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: I think what we're talking a little bit about here
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: is that you need that smarts in the pocket. You
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: need the athleticism now, and that to me has been
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: the biggest shift of you know, people bitch every day,
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: they're like, oh, we don't have the five thousand yard
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: pass and in the sixty touchdowns. It's like that was
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: the one year anomaly we saw. That's never gonna happen again.
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: Like those are the forest outliers. Ever, it's just a
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: new age of you know, these guys are gonna throw
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: for maybe four thousand yards, but like Josh Allen, you'll
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: see maybe a thousand yards Russian and him rushed for
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: fifteen freaking touchdowns. It's like it's just so different now
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: that you know, we try to compare it to the
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: old age, and I just look at it. It's like
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: we've evolved. We've evolved so quickly that these new kids
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: coming in, Like we just talked about you know, Bo
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: Nicks and what world is here? First round pick? But
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: the new NFL he is now right and it worked.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: Like Matt Mitchell was losing his fucking mind about it.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: And it's like, you know, because he saw him in
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: college for what five six years, and now he comes
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: in and it works out. So it's just crazy got
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: shifted now where the studs in college who are just
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: dropped back passers, they just don't make it to the
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: league like they used to. You have to be able
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: to move in the pocket and scramble outside the bucket.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: So that was just why I want to push on,
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: was just that, you know, I get where Chris is
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: coming from. But like you just said, Chad, there's always
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: just been dog shit from that twenty five to thirty two.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: It's just always been that way.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: So I mean you said the magic two words. They're
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: draft props.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: If you guys seen anything out like it's in Connecticut.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, we can't play them on DraftKings and FanDuel
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: or whoever else, but like do they exist anywhere? Like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: I know there's potswheyo, who will be at the number
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: one pick? Yeah, who wants to Yeah cam Ward minus sixteen.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: But like in terms of like the second quarterback is
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: going to be number of quarterbacks in the in the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: first round, like like stuff like that.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Does this exist anywhere outside of the little bubble that
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I'm in in the state of Connecticut.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: So the book makers I've talked to Bart, they got
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: crushed so bad these last three years in the draft
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: who they didn't want to put it out until maybe
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: two weeks beforehand, maybe even a week beforehand, just because
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: it's not worth it for him, Like they just they
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: can't beat the rumor mill, right, They're just behind on
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: the info.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: So I'm with you.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: It's been really interesting where I remember even last year
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: I was able to get bets down after the combine
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: on the draft. Yeah, on things like that, and now yeah,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: I think the book makers know that they can't leave
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: themselves open to it.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: So I'm with you on it's brutal. Just been waiting
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: for these propsical.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Out Chad, wouldn't you I'm gonna I'm gonna put you
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: as the book of Chad. Why don't you want to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: post these things get people in the door, and you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: know what, you lose a little bit and the player wins.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: You know what, the player is gonna do.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: Player's gonna come back, and players gonna bet that money
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: that they just won right back at your shop.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little surprised that they wouldn't be more aggressive,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: even for really small limits, right because you're capping it
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: at fifty bucks, you're still sort of letting people continue
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: to play and put their money into the book. But so, yeah,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: it is a little bit surprising to me. I'm actually
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: looking for at that three sixty five to see what
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: kind of draft props I can find. It's hard for
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: me to find him quickly right now.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Will tell you.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: It's the thing I always never know if I'm looking
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: under college football, if I'm looking under NFL, right, you're secial,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: so you're a special NFL draft tab.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: Look, some is right.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: There were years like just go back to the the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones year. Was he going to go number three?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Was he not going to go number three? And books
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: got crushed on that because people like Simon, you know,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: they're connected to the league. They were hearing things and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're putting down six figures that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: he's not going to go number three, and that's a
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: huge risk. And I do think that the books generally
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: are looking to it's a lot of jocking. It's a
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: challenging time to be a sportsbook operator, right. Everyone is
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: trying to acquire customers, not to get into the weeds
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: of the business as efficiently they can and drive revenue
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: as high as they can because those are the expectations,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and there are a lot of challenges, and things are
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: slower during the non football season than they are during
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: the football season. It's going to be harder to make
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: up that money on a quarterly basis for all these
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: publicly traded companies if they have to go out and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: report they had huge losses in the NFL Draft and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: they didn't make it up. With the beginning of Major
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: League Baseball or the March Madness or NBA just gets
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: harder and harder.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: It's so funny.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: Simon mentioned bow Nick. I'm sitting here thinking, and I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: always like him. I'm like, in Matt, like, what the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: hell have we seen in bow Knicks playing six years
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: of college football that he's going to be a first
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: And I remember seeing the yes no, will bow n
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: X be a first round pick and you immediately bet
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: to know and then all the the the prices and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: then about a week maybe before the draft last maybe
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: it's a week maybe maybe a little bit longer before,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: Like I get a call someone who was He's like,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: Bonix is going in the first round. I'm like, no,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: it's like Bonix is going in the first round. I'm
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: telling you right now, Bonix is going in the first round.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: So fortunately I was able to actually make a profit
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: because the the yes price was longer than the no
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: that I bet. But uh yeah, I was stunned.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: And you're right.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: It's the it's the information and just being kind of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: a privy to things that not everybody can can get
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: it can get ahead on. So uh yeah, I I'd
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: love to just for a book to just to kind
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: of put themselves out there and throw a what will
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: Jackson Dart be the second quarterback taken in the in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: the in the in the in the NFL draft over
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: under two and a half or three and a half,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: Because I think we're I think we're definitely gonna get
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: three and I and I wonder, like I do make
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: mcshaye talking about Tyler shuck, I could. I don't know
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: if we'll get four, but I think we're definitely going
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: to get three quarterbacks in the first round, so I'm curious.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll be over two and a half. Juice
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: to the movie is what they'll wind up posted once
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: they do post the stuff.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: We'll get there as we get closer, for sure.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: And Jackson Dart is the guy you know we're gonna
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: dig deep into the draft of the next few weeks.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: He's the guy who's gonna be on everyone's board for sure.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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