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From Rocket Science to Energy Therapy - Episode 316 · Gladden Longevity Podcast

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  Yeah, the anti-aging system has four peptides in it, one of them is the copper one and stuff, right?
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  So yeah, should, so yeah, that's some exciting stuff with that, right?
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  You know, you said most people don't feel it, we have enough data, I know it's less than 1 % of the people that actually feel the energy, they see the result.
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  And 95 % of those people, and they freak out when I ask them,
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  If they're energy sensitive, say, you see auras around other people?
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  And they all go, how do you know that?
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  Because I just know that if you see auras, you can be energy sensitive, vice versa, right?
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  The heart rate variability increases, the heart rate comes down and they're self reporting less anxiety and they feel less stressed.
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  And you're figuring, I can never remember which ones, which where they stack.
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  I came up with this saying, so I can remember it.
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  Do the atheist believe in God.
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  So D Delta V, Atheist Alpha Beta believe God gamma.
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  So that's how I'm trying to remember them from the bottom to the top.
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  But yeah, that's the reporting and
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  In the simplest sense, it's a hug for your nervous system, is what it does.
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  yeah.
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  Welcome everybody to the Gladden, Ogevra podcast, where we're age hackers over here doing amazing work.
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  and as you know, we're basically married to the questions of how good can you be?
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  How would you make a hundred, the new 30?
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  How do you live well beyond one 20?
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  How do you live young for a lifetime?
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  And how do we develop a 300 year old mind?
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  And today we're going to be talking with a rocket scientist.
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  we haven't done that previously on the show.
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  His name is Mark Fox and, m
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  We're going to talk a little bit about his rocket science journey.
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  We're going to talk about the Challenger that had the unfortunate explosion in 1986 as he was working on on that flight, if you will, certainly on that equipment.
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  And then we're going to get into some really interesting things about PEMF that he's developed.
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  Really, really interesting things.
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  And he's done a lot of research here.
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  And I think you're going to really
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  I got some new insights about PMF, also ways to increase heart rate variability with a device that he's developed for vagal tone stimulation, anxiety, depression, all kinds of
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  things are going to come up with accelerated healing, etc.
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  So this is a really interesting conversation.
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  I think you're really going to like it.
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  Welcome everyone to the Glad Longevity podcast.
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  I'm your host, Dr.
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  Jeffrey Gladden, and I'm here with Mark Fox, NASA rocket scientist.
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  We don't get to say that very often.
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  So Mark, welcome to the show.
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  Well, thank you.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  So let's start with rocket scientists.
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  And you did some research at NASA, et cetera, and you'll tell us about some of that.
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  But I'm curious how you got to NASA and rocket science.
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  Is this like a childhood dream of yours or how did you get down that path?
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  Yeah, so I, and I worked for Morton Vycol.
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  It made the solid rocket boosters on the side of the shuttle.
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  So I live here in Cocoa Beach.
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  I'm actually in the house I grew up in, which I never planned on doing that, but.
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  my undergraduate was chemical engineering and my best friend was a nuclear physicist and we both graduated and we're hanging drywall for $3.50 an hour because nobody was hiring
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  anybody so somebody goes hey did you ever you know have you heard of this company Morton thigh call they just won the shuttle processing contract I'm like no and so they go well
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  give us your resume so I gave it to a guy he took it in there and then I ended up getting an interview the same day and
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  Well, I didn't want to do Rockets.
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  My dad was in Rockets.
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  I didn't want to do that, but it was like, hey, pay $12.14 an hour instead of $3.50 an hour.
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  I'm like, I'll try this for a while until I find something else.
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  And then I was there for, like I said, 16, 17 years.
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  So I'm sure your salary didn't change, you know, but yeah.
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  So you've been doing that for a while.
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  I remember the days when my first job, I got paid a dollar 80.
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  I think it was a dollar.
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  Was it a dollar 80 or a dollar 65?
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  Maybe a dollar 65.
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  I was working at a nursery, basically planting trees and weeding and doing all that stuff at age 15.
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  And I thought, gosh, if I could make $2 an hour that way, wouldn't that be amazing?
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  So, great.
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  of course, uh dollars was worth a lot more than anyway, but yeah, all relative.
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  anyway, so you got in there and you had this chemical engineering degree.
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  And so what did you end up doing with that company?
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  What were you focused on?
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  Yeah, I was the chief engineer on the solid rocket booster.
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  So the two white things on the side of the space shuttle.
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  So yeah, I here at the Cape.
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  And then after Challenger happened in 1986, I ended up moving to Utah to work on the redesign for two and a half years of no sleep.
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  That was.
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  Yeah.
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  was actually, I this story as a friend of mine or lady.
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  She's like, Hey, we bought a house near you.
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  like, where at?
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  She goes, well, you go to the end of your street.
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  You turn left, go three blocks, turn right with a second house on the right.
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  And I'm like, I live on a dead end.
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  She was what?
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  I go, I live on a dead end.
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  She goes, no, you don't.
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  idiot.
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  I'm like, yes, I do.
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  I hadn't seen my house in the daylight for like a year.
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  So I went home early that day.
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  And sure enough, there was a whole subdivision built around my house that I didn't even know existed.
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  Well, that's amazing.
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  That's, that's hard work right there.
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  So what did happen to the challenger in 1986?
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  What actually went wrong?
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  Short answer is the O-rings did fail, but the external tank was leaking hydrogen oxygen on it.
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  That's what happened.
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  So, uh, the external tank always cracked and had problems, but, you probably, you know, you heard about my company and we spent $500 million redesigning everything.
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  The external tank that leaked Martin Marietta spent a billion dollars.
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  You never heard a word about that.
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  And then Rocketdyne made the main engines on the order, which was the biggest potential problem with not the O-rings, the turbine blades.
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  They spent two billion, redesigned it.
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  You never heard of Rocketdyne, right?
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  So those guys managed to stay out of the news.
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  It's kind of interesting because we're on a conference call.
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  Ronald Reagan's on the call and people are pointing fingers.
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  And Ronald Reagan goes, everybody shut the blank up.
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  Fix it.
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  It's the most technical advancement in the world.
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  Fix it.
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  And he hung up the phone.
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  And everyone's like, what does that mean?
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  I mean, do we have another contract or extend it?
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  Right.
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  And there was no rules.
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  The president just said, go fix it.
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  And it was a weird, we hired 2000 engineers in six months.
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  It was crazy.
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  So
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  I mean, I remember when it happened.
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  I was actually doing my cardiology fellowship in Denver and, you know, walked into the ICU and of course they have TVs in there and there it was.
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  And it was like, oh my gosh, it was in February, as I recall.
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  January 28th.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Very cool.
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  Okay.
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  Well, my, yeah, my condolences on that.
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  I was super sad to watch that.
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  So that did not dissuade you from carrying on.
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  So you worked really diligently to redesign it and then tell us how you got from there to where you are today, or maybe you're still there.
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  don't know.
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  Walk us through what happened after that.
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  know, this sounds kind of weird, but I got offered a big promotion and I knew if I took it, that would be my career for the rest of my life.
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  Just, and I was like, I want to do something else.
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  I think, I mean, I loved working on the program, but as you know, asking the government does not move very fast and to make changes or make improvements and stuff was just
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  really, really slow.
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  So I, I just decided to change careers.
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  went into
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  what I thought was going to be different, which was building aircraft parts for Parker Hennephine.
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  And it was pretty much like working for the government still.
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  And then I got, if you're old enough to remember a zip drive, I omega.
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  So I got a job as I mean, the company was growing so fast because if you have a product that everyone in the world needs and nobody has it, but you, you can have monkeys running
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  the company and you're still going to grow and make money.
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  And they literally grew that fast.
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  And so I got put in charge of call center, which I didn't know what that was.
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  and the internet, which was 1998, trying to learn whatever that was.
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  So I ended up doing that and then uh went and just did creative thinking lectures, right?
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  I was doing keynote presentations and stuff.
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  So I never meant to ever get into this energy therapy stuff.
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  My dog was sick.
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  She couldn't come up the stairs and she had arthritis in her spine.
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  so a veterinarian
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  She was a three quarter black lab quarter German shepherd.
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  like that.
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  oh yeah, she couldn't come up.
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  to, they're home prone to hip problems, I think, and they can also develop spinal stenosis and things like that.
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  So we had a, we had a chocolate lab that develops spinal stenosis.
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  So.
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  Yeah, so what happened was I've got a veterinarian who was a friend of mine.
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  His name is Dr.
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  Oz Jackson.
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  He was really is a very forward thinking guy.
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  He's like, Hey, there's this magic energy machine that can reverse arthritis.
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  I'm like, that's not true, but it's my dog.
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  So I'm going to look into it.
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  And that was 26, seven years ago.
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  And that's how I kind of got involved in it is
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  just kind of dabbling with it.
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  really motivated me was I saw what this technology could do for PTSD.
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  And it was criminal to me that with all the suicides that we have that people didn't have access to an affordable device like that.
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  They're expensive machines.
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  And at the time they were scattered across the United States and only a few places.
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  So.
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  just so the audience knows what we're talking about, what kind of machine are we talking about?
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  It's a pulse electromagnetic field.
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  this is the one I use.
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  The other one was microcurrent.
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  So it's kind of like a 10 unit that you put pads on yourself, but they're both.
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  what you use for your dog?
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  the microcurrent or was it the PEM?
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  Microcurrent.
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  Okay.
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  version of it is kind of interesting.
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  It didn't really exist much then.
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  It actually got invented as a spinoff from the wires for burn patients because you couldn't put pads on a wound, a burn wound.
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  So we ended up making an adapter that put out a magnetic field.
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  So in energy, I like to tell people energy therapy can be PMF, electrical current.
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  light sound or vibration.
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  can be any of those five modalities to transfer energy to the body.
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  PMF is just the most convenient one because you can put it in your pocket and there's no wires on you and it's therapy on the go.
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  You can just go about your day, drive your car, go a workout, whatever.
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  Okay, cool.
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  So you were involved with it from an engineering perspective or from, just tell us a little bit about that.
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  I just saw that it was again expensive machines and I naively went, hey, this ought be easy to make a little pocket thing and put a coil on there with a battery.
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  And in the end, actually ends up, it's actually a music player without a speaker.
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  Cause actually all the files are MP3 files that I built on a music synthesizer.
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  Now I can't play any musical instruments, which annoys me that I can't, but on a music synthesizer.
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  He plays drums.
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  He plays drums, play tambourine.
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  Okay, I can't play anything so but haven't tried real hard either.
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  But anyway, so yeah, it's a Rodevon Music synthesizers mp3 files and that's essentially what it is it and I made it look like an old iPod on purpose so that people have
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  familiarity with it and They actually the colors on it on the frequency is the same colors on a Star Trek tricorder.
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  So I copied that just so
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  the colors on her try?
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  I think I had a black and white TV.
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  What are the?
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  Yeah, there were back when Star Trek came out with colors.
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  It's going to be kind of like pink and white, green and blue.
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  I like that.
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  Got it.
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  So it's basically it's a it's a handheld PEMF device.
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  And then tell us about how people actually apply it.
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  So it's not a mat.
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  Is that right?
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  It's in the device itself.
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  Yeah, it's a pocket one, so you put it in your pocket or you wear a lanyard around your neck, just like a badge.
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  The misconception in this world is that to get full body coverage, you need to lay on a full body mat, you don't.
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  uh It's resonating, we believe, it's resonating with the water in your body.
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  That's kind like a pebble in the pond, right?
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  The energy is focused, but it goes to the entire body through.
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  And we believe that because if you're not hydrated, it doesn't work as well.
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  It still works.
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  And alternating magnetic field is going to put out a very small electrical current and your body is electrically conductive just like so it travels through your skin and organs
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  that way and You won't hear anyone else say this.
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  This is Mark's theory is magnetite Which is what's in sea turtles and birds that we believe they use for migration It was discovered about 20 years ago that humans have
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  magnetite in their cells as well
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  So if you had magnetite, it's a magnet, it can help transfer the energy from magnet to magnet.
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  So that's how we think you get full body coverage, but you can't actually prove that.
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  But we know if somebody has a broken foot and they put it around their neck, it still heals the broken foot.
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  So the energy is getting there somehow.
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  And that's how we believe it gets there, those three ways.
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  And you're also using it for PTSD.
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  Yeah, PTSD is, I believe, I'm keep saying this till somebody corrects me, I believe we have the largest PMF PTSD study in the world with a 98 % success rate and that's using the
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  Veterans Administration PLC-5, it's 20 questions.
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  But yeah, the top protocol is gonna be PTSD, anxiety, back pain, neck pain, sleep, type two diabetes, blood sugar, all those.
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  There's like 60 different protocols, there is 60 different protocols on there, but those are some of the more
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  popular ones and then of course general inflammation is one and 80 % of all ailments are inflammation of something,
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  That's right.
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  Yeah, that's right.
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  that's interesting.
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  So, you built this and how do, what's it called?
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  It's called Vibe.
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  But yeah, so it's the first device that we built was Vibe, V-I-B-E.
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  We have another one called VegaVibe for vagus nerve stimulation that you wear like a pendant and it just puts out brainwave alpha and theta sweep that's in the vagus nerve.
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  And we've done clinical trials on this as well with huge success.
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  So that's the second.
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  that.
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  So if you're simulating the vagus nerve with it, are you improving things like heart rate variability?
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  Improving heart rate.
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  That's the number one thing we're measuring is does the heart rate variability increase?
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  It goes up in our clinical trial 50 % in one one-hour session.
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  We're longer term ones now me personally.
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  This is our new watch that came out last Friday My heart rate variability was I'm 64 years old is around 30 milliseconds.
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  It's about 105 now from using the vague or stimulator.
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  So I'm a case in point
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  okay, so that just came out last week.
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  So is that a function of the wristband that you're wearing?
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  is it a function of the vibe or sympathetic nervous stimulator pendant that you had?
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  So yeah, this one is a Vegas Nerf stimulator that you just wear like a necklace.
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  how you got to, is that how you got to 105 or was it through the wrist?
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  That okay.
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  Through the pendant.
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  Okay.
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  And so the protocol runs for an hour at a time.
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  Is that what it is?
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  An hour a day or yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Well, here's what we tell people on all the protocols.
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  We tell them three to four times a week minimum for 30 days.
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  If you don't see a result by then, either it's not going to work for you or you misdiagnose yourself and you're running the wrong protocols.
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  But what happens is most people come this technology or long-term physically and mentally broken, right?
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  So when they find something that works, they don't care what Mark tells them.
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  They're going to run it 10 times a day if they want.
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  And I,
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  I have people do it so they don't want to go experiment on themselves and say, Hey, if I cut back to twice a week, does it still work?
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  They're just happy it's working and it's so convenient.
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  They just, we have people you over and over and over.
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  I tell them they don't need to use it that much, but they do anyway.
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  So
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  Sure.
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  Okay.
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  Interesting.
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  That's interesting.
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  And so, the vagus nerve is, uh, is, alpha and beta.
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  you say, was it, uh, Theta theta.
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  Okay.
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  Beautiful.
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  Okay.
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  That's what I would guess.
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  Cause I wouldn't think people would need beta, but yeah, theta is, um, it's just above Delta.
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  it's really a deep.
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  It's a deep meditative state.
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  It's also a hypnagogic state.
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  It's referred to as, and young children run around in theta all the time, which is interesting.
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  But that theta is really, really a special frequency.
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  And if you can bring yourself into more theta, more theta states, either through meditation, through a device like that, through using other things like brain tap or
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  binaural beats or photobiomodulation, there's different ways to get to theta.
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  but it does have a significant impact on the vagus nerve and it's very calming.
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  And what's interesting is that I think one of the things that's, that's nice with this is your people as they're re sort of programming the vagus nerve through theta and some
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  alpha, which is the frequency just above theta.
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  They probably report that they're mentally calmer.
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  And that even when the program is finished, that they're able to traverse the day more from a state of calmness than from a state of stress or anxiety.
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  That's, that's kind of what we see with the stuff that we do in that area.
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  So I'm curious, or I'm kind of hypothesizing that's the case or that you're hearing that.
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  that, is that, am I on target there or?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  The heart rate variability increases, the heart rate comes down and they're self reporting less anxiety and they feel less stressed.
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  And you're figuring, I can never remember which ones, which where they stack.
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  I came up with this saying, so I can remember it.
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  Do the atheist believe in God.
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  So D Delta V, Atheist Alpha Beta believe God gamma.
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  So that's how I'm trying to remember them from the bottom to the top.
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  But yeah, that's the reporting and
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  In the simplest sense, it's a hug for your nervous system, is what it does.
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  yeah.
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  And is there I'm curious about this.
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  you know what would be interesting is if you had one for gamma, gamma is a higher frequency around maybe 40 hertz.
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  And the thing about that is whereas theta would be down around maybe six hertz, five, six, seven hertz, alpha would be around eight, nine, ten hertz, hertz somewhere in there.
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  And
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  And gamma is up around 40, but gamma is a flow state.
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  And what we found, there was a, we had a device that did transcranial electro stimulation and it was a set of headphones that sat on your head and you would wet your skin.
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  And then it would put this electrical current into the homunculus, right?
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  Which is basically the motor cortex basically is of the brain is right under or a headband of a.
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  Set of headphones would be so you put you stimulate that and it was opening up neuroplasticity in that area But it would also enable you to kind of go into a flow state
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  So you would put it on to prime yourself like before you got on your mountain bike or before you were gonna engage in with something and You would you would go into a flow
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  state just that much quicker, right?
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  You wouldn't have to sort of warm up and then find a flow state as you're riding.
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  Let's say I'm curious if you made one that
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  That was for gamma.
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  If you could put people into flow states because in flow states, people can get a lot of work done.
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  can accomplish a lot.
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  They can, uh you know, throw a baseball bat or they can ride their bike better, whatever they want to do, ski better, snowboard better, whatever it is they're into play tennis or
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  ping pong or pickleball.
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  So it would be really interesting if you explored coming out with a gamma device for flow that might be.
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  have, so we have.
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  So a couple things, a couple things.
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  So the Vibe has all five brainwaves on there.
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  It has Delta, Theta, Alpha, Beta, Gamma, okay?
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  has 30 40 Hertz on there.
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  Interesting on, because that has 60 protocols.
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  This one just has one.
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  The good news, bad news, is we ran Gamma.
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  So there's another, one of our competitors ran one of the largest studies on Gamma that showed.
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  It worked as far as self-reporting, anxiety and calm, but they didn't do heart rate variability or biomarkers.
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  So when we tested this, we did gamma, did alpha, we did all of them, and they all worked, but theta alpha sweep seemed to increase heart rate variability the most.
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  Absolutely.
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  And there's no doubt.
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  Yeah.
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  Those lower frequencies are going to basically activate the parasympathetic nervous system to a greater extent.
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  It's just, I'm looking at it through a performance lens.
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  If you have people that want to perform better, as well as have low heart rate variability, they could do the gamma to perform better.
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  And they could come back and do the, you know, the theta alpha sweep.
• 21:34
  Interestingly, because these just showed up an hour ago, okay, is our new device.
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  It's gonna put out 40 Hertz gamma light and PEMF at the same time.
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  And it's gonna go on the inside of your wrist for this meridian or this little neck holder.
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  And so it of pops in there.
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  And the other meridian that's on the back of your neck targeting cognitive function, you're gonna just go like that, put it on and wear it.
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  So we're getting ready to run a study on this.
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  If I can find the money for it, that's the problem.
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  But I've got to go run a study before we make this commercially available.
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  I'm on the Cotails MIT study at 40 Hertz gamma that reversed plaque in the brain, all that from 10, 12 years ago.
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  And it's a dual device where it's blue light.
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  and did quite a bit research on that red light versus blue light.
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  This is where chat GPT comes in.
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  It's like blue will work better for this reason.
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  Here's the part numbers for these lights.
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  I mean, it's amazing.
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  It help you get.
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  So.
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  fun.
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  I love that.
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  I love that.
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  So I love the fact that you're actually doing the research to kind of demonstrate what it is you're you're attempting to accomplish.
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  Yeah, that's really wonderful.
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  So this is V.I.B.E.
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  and where do people find that?
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  V.I.B.E.
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  dot com or.
• 22:51
  No, rezona.health, so R-E-S-O-N-A, it's short for resonance.
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  So rezona.health, not .com, rezona.health.
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  They go online, it's there.
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  We have all the products we've got.
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  Last Friday was a big deal, We got the watch, we this, we have a quad peptide, I can't say anti-wrinkle, I gotta say anti-aging or it becomes a drug, okay?
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  An anti-wrinkle system where you can infuse the frequencies into the cream.
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  and anecdotally it'll hold it for about 30 days.
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  You can also put it in water and the water will hold it for about five or six hours.
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  Again, anecdotally, because can't measure the energy in the water or cream.
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  But we know if we put back pain on the cream after about 30 days, it doesn't work as well.
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  So you gotta recharge it.
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  Got it.
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  since it's so easy, we tell people to just to recharge it every week.
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  I'm to tell women that they need to charge that once a week.
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  They'll probably charge it five times a day.
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  They're not going to listen.
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  So if it's working, they're going go,
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  They want it to be super powerful, right?
• 23:52
  uh Yeah, I get it.
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  Okay.
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  Well, very cool.
• 23:56
  I was going to ask you what's next, but it sounds like you're right in the middle of launching your what next.
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  uh what's your dream?
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  Put myself out of business and I'll explain why.
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  Two things.
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  And if anyone from Phillips would ever call me back, we'd have it.
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  But I want to be able to say, these smart bulbs in your home, because you can deliver this energy, sound, vibration, light, is be able to say, hey, Alexa, run depression in the
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  living room.
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  And it just goes through the lights.
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  I could already do that now, but the problem is when you turn a light switch on,
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  It doesn't just the light bulb doesn't just come on because it ramps up slowly So it doesn't shock your eyes, but I need to be able to turn it on and off a thousand times a
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  second Right if I'm gonna do a thousand I can't get around the bridge from Phillips's Bridge over there because I don't know how it works to be able to bypass it So ideally I'd
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  love to take all the lights that are out there that are smart bulbs and turn them into therapy devices The other one and I put a $25,000 contest out there and nobody's done it
• 24:58
  yet
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  the cheek oil that's on your phone that you charge your battery with.
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  Hack the OS on the phone so I can shove the MP3 out the cheek oil.
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  Then I just turned every phone into a vibe with an app.
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  I would look and everyone tells me you can't do that.
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  It's not designed that way.
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  I know it's not designed that way.
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  It's kind of like, it's like, yeah, just like Gene Fran said on Apollo 13, I don't care what it designed to do.
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  I wonder what it can do.
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  Right.
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  And so
• 25:26
  That's right.
• 25:27
  taking me up on that $25,000 reward just to figure out how to hack Android or the iPhone operating system to allow energy to go out of the coil instead of energy in.
• 25:39
  I got to I know a guy that might be able to help you with that, actually.
• 25:42
  Yeah, I'll put you in touch with him.
• 25:44
  Yeah.
• 25:45
  So I'll get your contact at the end when we finish up here.
• 25:48
  Yeah, I'll put you in touch with him.
• 25:50
  Yeah, very interesting.
• 25:51
  Very, very cool.
• 25:52
  Yeah.
• 25:53
  PMF is really it's a great technology in many respects whenever I've used it and I've used it a reasonable amount.
• 25:59
  I don't necessarily feel much.
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  And yet it can be having an impact.
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  think it's really wonderful for, you know, accelerating healing also.
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  And we use a lot of peptides here to accelerate healing, which are really remarkable.
• 26:14
  I'm assuming that if we stack the PEMF with the peptides or if the client does at home, they probably get an even faster result.
• 26:22
  So that's pretty cool, Yeah.
• 26:25
  Yeah, the anti-aging system has four peptides in it, one of them is the copper one and stuff, right?
• 26:29
  So yeah, should, so yeah, that's some exciting stuff with that, right?
• 26:34
  You know, you said most people don't feel it, we have enough data, I know it's less than 1 % of the people that actually feel the energy, they see the result.
• 26:42
  And 95 % of those people, and they freak out when I ask them,
• 26:46
  If they're energy sensitive, say, you see auras around other people?
• 26:50
  And they all go, how do you know that?
• 26:52
  Because I just know that if you see auras, you can be energy sensitive, vice versa, right?
• 26:57
  yeah, the highly sensitive person.
• 26:59
  Yeah, I perceive energy, but I don't see the energy.
• 27:03
  Right.
• 27:04
  I can feel it, but I don't see it.
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  And I am pretty sensitive.
• 27:07
  I can feel a lot of stuff.
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  If I crank it up high enough, I'll feel it.
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  If I get on certain things, I'll feel it.
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  But there are other times when I put it on and I don't feel I just don't feel much.
• 27:18
  Just a little warmth, maybe is kind of all I might feel.
• 27:21
  this one actually will get to like 105 Fahrenheit.
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  So it will get warm.
• 27:25
  It's interesting though, if you go man on the street with a microphone, you say, Hey, do know what PMF is?
• 27:29
  It's going to be, cause I've done this.
• 27:31
  It's going to be one out of 15 people that know a Beamer Max something in the horse world.
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  It's a hundred percent of the people.
• 27:37
  all know what a MagnaWave is.
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  They've had the horse treated with it.
• 27:42
  The challenge from a marketing point of view has been, Hey, this little 2.4 ounce thing can't do nothing for a thousand pound animal.
• 27:49
  like,
• 27:49
  A horse is actually more energy sensitive than most people.
• 27:52
  So it does work on horses and dogs.
• 27:54
  The dog harness that we use, puts it right over their heart.
• 27:57
  So it's the same logic as the pendant or the vagus nervous clustering.
• 28:01
  And Dr.
• 28:02
  Tom, he's in Myrtle Beach.
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  He said, Mark, I don't know if you're smart enough that you came up with that, but putting it over the heart is making it work better than any PMF device we have.
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  And he's treating 40 dogs a day in a rehab center.
• 28:16
  Yeah.
• 28:16
  That's very cool.
• 28:17
  And what uh about for humans putting it over the heart?
• 28:21
  that yeah, so you're wearing it with a pendant just as it's over your heart as well.
• 28:25
  so that's the reason I was already
• 28:29
  also close to where the Vegas nerves run.
• 28:31
  If you're, if you're, mean, it's running down, right?
• 28:33
  So, but
• 28:35
  Here's what I cheated on that, okay?
• 28:36
  I was watching a TED presentation and a lady's explaining 10th cranial nerve, vagus nerve, of down your brain, comes down your neck, both sides, it's closest to the skin here, it
• 28:45
  clusters around your heart, then goes to the organs, I go clusters around your heart, I'm gonna make a piece of jewelry.
• 28:50
  And that's why I made the jewelry.
• 28:51
  Got it.
• 28:52
  OK.
• 28:52
  Beautiful.
• 28:54
  Yeah.
• 28:54
  So that's interesting.
• 28:55
  So I wonder, let's say, if you're putting it on a frequency to help heal a bone fracture, let's say, or recover from a surgery or something, I wonder if putting it over the heart
• 29:04
  accelerates that.
• 29:05
  And I'll tell you, there's another really interesting thing.
• 29:07
  I saw an article recently where.
• 29:10
  Regenerative.
• 29:11
  therapies, you know, if you're using stem cells or PRP or placental tissue or cord blood products or things like that.
• 29:20
  Not only do they work better if you do plasma freezes first to kind of remove the inflammatory things that are in the body, but they work better when parasympathetic
• 29:31
  nervous system tone is activated.
• 29:33
  They work significantly better.
• 29:34
  So it just goes to show you that the parasympathetic
• 29:37
  optimization is such a healing sort of not just frequency, but it's really a healing energy for the body.
• 29:45
  And so it's recovery and repair.
• 29:48
  And if you can augment that for an individual, you know, not only can you treat anxiety, depression, but you can heal other stuff, right with it.
• 29:59
  So it can either be a standalone or it can be an adjunct to other things that you're doing to heal the gut or heal the bone or.
• 30:07
  whatever it is you're trying to do.
• 30:08
  So we like the idea of stacking these things together to kind of optimize it, if you will, but very cool.
• 30:16
  some doctors contact me and say, hey, we want to try and prep people.
• 30:20
  They're open several stem cell clinics and they're like, we want to try and prep them.
• 30:23
  So the therapy is more responsive, works better.
• 30:26
  I go, what would you run?
• 30:27
  I said, I don't know.
• 30:28
  I'd probably run Vegas nerve and that's what they're doing and it's working.
• 30:31
  Yep.
• 30:32
  The Vegas nervous is what they want to do for sure.
• 30:34
  Yeah.
• 30:35
  So there's data on that.
• 30:36
  Yeah.
• 30:36
  And that's what we w we're not doing it currently.
• 30:39
  I just saw that recently in the last week and, I'm to reach out to your website here and see if we can get some stuff.
• 30:45
  So that'd be good.
• 30:47
  Yeah.
• 30:48
  Awesome.
• 30:49
  Great.
• 30:49
  Well, it's been pleasure chatting with you, Mark.
• 30:52
  Um, is there anything else you wanted to cover or you feel like you feel complete here?
• 30:55
  No, I just tell people, you know, I wrote an article called liar, liar pants on fire because all the Facebook haters that just like this is scam and it can't work.
• 31:04
  And I'm skeptical.
• 31:05
  I'm still skeptical.
• 31:06
  And I've been looking at for 27 years, right?
• 31:08
  But is I made a list of listen to all these things are absolutely impossible.
• 31:14
  DNA sequencing, CRISPR, MRIs and about right.
• 31:17
  It lists 200 things that were absolutely impossible until they weren't.
• 31:22
  That's right.
• 31:22
  That's right.
• 31:23
  in mind, there's a comedian in the seventies on TV called Rich Hall.
• 31:28
  He had a thing called Sniglets.
• 31:29
  They're words that aren't in the dictionary, but they should be.
• 31:32
  And one was Bozone.
• 31:34
  It's an invisible gas that surrounds people.
• 31:36
  It stops new ideas from getting in.
• 31:38
  You know, I used to teach at Los Alamos National Labs four times a year, creative thinking.
• 31:45
  And I'm just a dumb chemical engineer.
• 31:46
  These are the smartest nuclear physicists in the world.
• 31:48
  So why walk in there?
• 31:49
  They're going to slaughter me.
• 31:50
  So I walk in and I don't make eye contact with them for 10 minutes.
• 31:54
  I just go through the history of physics and show how completely wrong they have been every 10, 20 years.
• 32:01
  Then I turn around and go, based on all that, there's this high statistical probability of whatever you did your doctor's thesis on is worthless.
• 32:07
  Now shut up, keep an open mind.
• 32:09
  I have to beat their brain and beat them for them to be able to listen to the information.
• 32:15
  Yep.
• 32:15
  Yeah.
• 32:16
  We, we talk about that a lot, with our clients and actually on this podcast about, that a lot of people and, you know, physicians in particular get brainwashed and they think
• 32:26
  they've got answers.
• 32:27
  And I think a lot of people go through life trying to find their answers.
• 32:31
  when an actual fact, all progress comes from questions.
• 32:34
  And so it's really more about finding your questions than it is finding your answers.
• 32:37
  And then.
• 32:39
  realizing that that allows you to keep innovating and leaving stuff behind or adding to the good stuff or whatever it is, right?
• 32:46
  So yeah, I love that.
• 32:48
  Yeah, we're not married.
• 32:49
  We have thousands of answers here in this clinic.
• 32:51
  We're not married to any of them.
• 32:52
  We're only married to the questions.
• 32:53
  And that makes a massive difference for us.
• 32:56
  So, yeah.
• 32:58
  Cool.
• 32:59
  All right.
• 33:00
  Thanks so much.
• 33:01
  Yeah.
• 33:01
  Enjoyed it.
• 33:02
  Hang on.
• 33:03
  Yeah.