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British Open w/ Jason Sobel, Plus Tobias Harris' $100M Bet on Himself · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites the podcast from the Action Network.
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Speaker 1: I Am Chad Millman. Massive Massive Podcast Day, Massive Podcast Day.
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Speaker 1: Later on in the show You're not Gonna want to
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Speaker 1: miss It, Darren Revel did an amazing interview with Tobias
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Speaker 1: Harris or the Philadelphia seventy Sixers, who just signed a
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Speaker 1: one d eighty million dollar max contract with the seventy
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Speaker 1: six Ers last year. At this time, Tobias Harris was
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Speaker 1: offered a contract for half that money ninety million dollars,
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Speaker 1: still a lot of money, turned it down bet on Himself.
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Speaker 1: In our continuing bet on Yourself series, Revel is going
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Speaker 1: to talk to Tobias Harris and his agent, who also
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Speaker 1: happens to be his father, about what it took to
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Speaker 1: turn down ninety million and turn that into two x
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Speaker 1: the money, including a hilarious quote about the business of
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Speaker 1: being a father son agent player duo, and then the
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Speaker 1: management of that money from Tobios Harris. It's not one
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Speaker 1: you're gonna want to miss. Stick around for that, But
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Speaker 1: first up British Open Week. They're playing in Northern Ireland
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Speaker 1: at Port Rush. Whether will be a factor Tiger Woods
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Speaker 1: has been off for a month. Can Brooks kept up
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Speaker 1: be the major master. What is going to happen? Jason
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Speaker 1: Silbell knows all the answers because he is our golf
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Speaker 1: genius at the Action Network. What's going on? Buddy? What's up? Chad?
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Speaker 1: One of my favorite weeks of the year. I can't
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Speaker 1: wait for this thing to get started. How early are
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Speaker 1: you setting the alarm for it this week? So listen?
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Speaker 1: I'm up so early anyways, because you know my kids historically,
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Speaker 1: have you got enough so early that even though now
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Speaker 1: they sleep till you know, the next day, I still
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Speaker 1: get up at five thirty in the morning. That's gonna
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Speaker 1: be too late. You're like midway through the early wave
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Speaker 1: rounds already. I think I want you to up with
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Speaker 1: about three thirty five this week. I can do that.
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Speaker 1: I can do that, no problem. Everybody should listen to you.
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Speaker 1: Go get it. Um boy, oh boy, we are loaded
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Speaker 1: for bear. Why do you like this week so much? Sobel?
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Speaker 1: What's so special about the British Open? Man, how long
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Speaker 1: do we have? Uh, It's just a different kind of
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Speaker 1: golf than we see, at least from the PGA Tour
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Speaker 1: sense of things, any other week of the year. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you're watching New York and were golf to wake
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Speaker 1: up early on the weekends, okay, the Irish Open two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago and the Scottish o them. But for the
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Speaker 1: majority of the golf fans in the US who are
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Speaker 1: paying attention to n PG eights, who were golf that
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Speaker 1: we see these lush parkland courses with big greens and
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Speaker 1: uh and they're they're very green and uh and building
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Speaker 1: here we go over its links golf. It's a different
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Speaker 1: type of golf. It just it feels different, it looks different,
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Speaker 1: it plays differently. Uh. Like I said, I love it.
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Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you know, I always
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Speaker 1: got to ask this question, what what major is the best?
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Speaker 1: What what's the real way that a major should play?
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Speaker 1: Should be twenty under like a like an Open Championship
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Speaker 1: where the windstopball and shouldn't be even part like you
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Speaker 1: so open fight, I said, I love it because they're
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Speaker 1: all different, and if they were all the same, fit
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Speaker 1: four major championships that were all the same, it wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be as much fun. I love the fact that the
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Speaker 1: Open Championship this week is so completely different from anything
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Speaker 1: we've seen that the Masters of the PGA or the
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Speaker 1: U s Open so far this year. Alright, so right
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Speaker 1: now on the Action Network dewnload the app. It's free.
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Speaker 1: You have multiple stories up and we're gonna get through
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Speaker 1: all of them because they all relate to betting, finding
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Speaker 1: your advantage when betting the US Open, the British Open.
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Speaker 1: The first thing you did, which is which is an
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Speaker 1: epic undertaking. You've done it for all all three other majors,
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Speaker 1: ranking all one and fifty six players in the field,
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Speaker 1: and in your introduction you right that it is getting
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Speaker 1: harder and harder to do this. Explain why I feel
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Speaker 1: like Chad ten years ago, and I've been doing this
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Speaker 1: for a long content to its mother outlets before the
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Speaker 1: Action Network. I'm very old right now, and I'm older
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Speaker 1: than Tiger Woods. That's how old I am shape right now.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, that's that's pretty old. That's how
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Speaker 1: more golf than he does that, which is good. Uh So,
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Speaker 1: it's been a long time been doing these lists. Ten
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Speaker 1: years ago, you could take the best players in the game.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what was at that point was Tiger Phil VJ.
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Speaker 1: We're Tith Gooson Adam Scott at the time still, and
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Speaker 1: you can basically take of the top ten in the world,
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Speaker 1: take eight of them, throw them on your list, put
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Speaker 1: a couple of guys. But let's say, all right, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna do pretty well. You know, there's okay, you know,
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Speaker 1: there's maybe some guy who played a little bit better
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Speaker 1: at some events, and there's gonna be some sleepers. But
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Speaker 1: for the most part, it was easier back then. I
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Speaker 1: feel like it's so tough now because I can get down.
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Speaker 1: I can get to the forty five guy on my
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Speaker 1: list and look at it and say, you know, I
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Speaker 1: really like that guy this week, and then look at
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Speaker 1: the top forty four that are all above him and say,
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Speaker 1: I just don't like him better than those forty four guys.
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Speaker 1: So I guess he's kind of stuck in forty fifth place,
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't mean I hate the guy. And the
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Speaker 1: fact that the fields are so deep, there's so many
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Speaker 1: good players. You want to have some sleepers up there.
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Speaker 1: I want to not just list the world ranking and
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Speaker 1: just you know, recite, Hey, well this guy's number one
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Speaker 1: in the world, I'll put him number one on my list.
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Speaker 1: I want to have, you know, some sort of opinion
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Speaker 1: in there. And so you start doing this and it's
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Speaker 1: really really hard, And I'm not making excuses. I'm just
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Speaker 1: giving an explanation preemptively to at least some of the
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Speaker 1: criticism that I always get after every major championships. I
6:22
Speaker 1: haven't been one of these right yet. I don't know how.
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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the day I'll retire, the day I
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Speaker 1: get all hundred and fifty six right in order. Oh, well,
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Speaker 1: that would be remarkable. But do you think that that
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Speaker 1: this is the legacy of Tiger Woods more than sort
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Speaker 1: of bringing diversity to the game, but it's bringing in
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Speaker 1: superior athletes. It's part of it. I think that there's
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Speaker 1: a lot. Man, his legacy is sort of like twelve pronged.
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Speaker 1: I think that you can't overstate the cultural impact and
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Speaker 1: global impact the Tigers had on the game and Uh,
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Speaker 1: and not just bringing more people to the game, but
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Speaker 1: the people that were in the game having them, giving
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Speaker 1: him more of an interest and more of a reason
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Speaker 1: to watch, the reason to root. Um. He's polarizing so
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Speaker 1: many golfers and it just serve a complaint of mine.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how he fix it, but so many
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Speaker 1: golfers you look at them and say, yeah, that guy's cool.
7:22
Speaker 1: I hope he plays well, and yeah, okay, he seems
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Speaker 1: like a nice guy. Yeah I'm looking for a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But there are very few golfers that the casual fans know. Man,
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Speaker 1: I love that guy. That's my guy. I gotta go
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Speaker 1: out and root for him. Tiger Woods has brought back
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Speaker 1: to the sport over the last twenty years, and that's
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Speaker 1: what makes him uh such an icon, not only in
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Speaker 1: golf but in in all of sports. And so that's
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Speaker 1: part of it. Yes, he's gotten these players to not
7:49
Speaker 1: look like overweight, middle age guys in white shirts and
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Speaker 1: khaki's who are uh look like they were plucked from
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Speaker 1: their local country club. They have to play a little
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Speaker 1: bit better than all the other guys and play PGA
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Speaker 1: Tour and make a lot of money. These are uh,
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Speaker 1: these are athletes. You look at Books Kept and if
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Speaker 1: you didn't know he was a golfer, I would say
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Speaker 1: he played third base in the Major League somewhere. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he looks like you know that kind of guy, looks
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Speaker 1: like a Nolan Aronado kind of guy that I could
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Speaker 1: go hit forty five home runs a year for your
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Speaker 1: team if he wasn't playing golf. Look at Dustin Johnson
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Speaker 1: that he should be playing small forward somewhere. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: hitting about four threes a game and averaging about six rebounds.
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Speaker 1: These guys look like athletes from other sports. And yes,
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Speaker 1: Tigers had a massive impact on that. And I think
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Speaker 1: moving forward, when we talk about the future of the
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Speaker 1: game ten fifteen years from now, it's gonna be like
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Speaker 1: Books Kept In, Dustin Johnson of the norm, and then
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be guys who are legitimately would have been
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Speaker 1: a linebacker in the NFL except I had a couple
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Speaker 1: of concussions or didn't wanna go through the physical Uh,
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Speaker 1: drama of being a football player and took up golf instead.
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Speaker 1: And the guys are at three hundred eighty yards off
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Speaker 1: the see every time, and uh, that's the direction of
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Speaker 1: the game is moving. A lot of that can be
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Speaker 1: traced to Tiger. Do you think I agree? By the way,
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Speaker 1: and you, I was thinking about when you were before
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Speaker 1: you started talking about like, you know, middle age overweight dudes.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, nowadays you got to think about what
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Speaker 1: Justin Thomas looks like and compare it to Colin Montgomery
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Speaker 1: in a sense. Yeah, I mean there are very few
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Speaker 1: Colin Montgomery types anymore. I mean, even if you're hey, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not brooks kept, I at least have to be
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Speaker 1: Justin Thomas at least have to be Jordan's beech. I
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Speaker 1: have to be h average to what the rest of
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Speaker 1: the professional golfers are and above average sort of physicality,
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Speaker 1: uh for the average guy out there, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: You know, you you look at Jordan's speech on TV,
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Speaker 1: so okay, you know he's got sort of a dad body.
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Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't look like he's in great shape.
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Speaker 1: He standlex to Jordan's He's in a lot better shape
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Speaker 1: than I am. He's a lot better shape than most
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Speaker 1: other average guys walking around playing golf with their club.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, these guys are in shape. Even the
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Speaker 1: guys shore and like ripped and looked like they should
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Speaker 1: be playing another sport, They're still in really good physical shape.
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Speaker 1: I also wonder, and this brings it back a little
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Speaker 1: bit to gambling, which is it feels like there's been
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Speaker 1: some kind of generational shift with golf in that it
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Speaker 1: transitioned from being a country club sport that was played
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Speaker 1: by people who were sort of above the fray and
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Speaker 1: if they were gambling on the match or they were
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Speaker 1: gambling with each other, it was all sort of it
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Speaker 1: felt like you know Ted Nite, the judge from Caddyshack, right,
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Speaker 1: And now it feels like it's a little bit like Broish.
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Speaker 1: Remember where I said about those twelve prongs of Tiger
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Speaker 1: is uh impact on the game? That that's another one
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Speaker 1: right there. I mean Tiger when he was growing up
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Speaker 1: they called him rcle He's a nerd because he played
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Speaker 1: golf and he didn't play other sports. And yet Tiger
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Speaker 1: is the one that sort of made it cool. And
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Speaker 1: now guy, you know, I I see kids in my
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Speaker 1: club all the time they're in. My place is littered
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Speaker 1: with more twelve and thirteen year olds than there are
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Speaker 1: fifty five year olds. I'm serious daily basis there are
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Speaker 1: more young kids they're playing golf and working on their games,
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Speaker 1: then there are old retired guys, are guys who work
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Speaker 1: part time and wanted to still play golf all time. Um,
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Speaker 1: and that is maybe I direct impact of Tiger. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: and and what we've seen on the PGA tour levels
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Speaker 1: that these kids basically become amateur professionals at a very
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Speaker 1: early age. Chat. I don't know if you were watching
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Speaker 1: the three m Open. I was actually out there a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago in Minnesota for the weekend. Matthew Wolfe,
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Speaker 1: a month out of college, turn of professional and won
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Speaker 1: the three I'm opened with an eagle off the green
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Speaker 1: on the final hole to win by one, and the
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Speaker 1: guy in second place was Colin Morricala, who's twenty two
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Speaker 1: years old. Wolf is twenty. And these guys come out
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Speaker 1: ready to win now. And it's because at a very
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Speaker 1: young age they are learning how to be sort of
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Speaker 1: professional golfers. I don't know that that was happening in
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Speaker 1: generation ago. Generation to go, even if you're a ten
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Speaker 1: year old kid who liked to play golf. You're down
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Speaker 1: to the club and you you work on your game,
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Speaker 1: you play. Now it's hey, I'm ten years old, so
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Speaker 1: I'm traveling from state to state to state, playing in
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Speaker 1: tournaments and basically being a professional golfer without getting paid
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Speaker 1: for it. And now what's happening is these kids are
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Speaker 1: graduating to the highest level playing on the PGA Tour,
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Speaker 1: and they're ready to go win right away because it's
12:42
Speaker 1: honestly no different than what they've been doing. It's just
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Speaker 1: against older guys and different people. Yeah, you're You're totally right.
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Speaker 1: But I do think there's one element here, which is
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Speaker 1: gambling has become a much bigger component of the way
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Speaker 1: casual golfers talk about the sport and elevated sort of
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Speaker 1: I think the interest level for a lot of people
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Speaker 1: who are in that same generation of sort of the
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Speaker 1: Matthew Wolf generation through the Justin Thomas, Jason Day, Jordan's
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Speaker 1: speece Like, these guys talk about gambling like and they
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Speaker 1: like to gamble. And I'm not saying these guys specifically,
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Speaker 1: but like this generation of players and fans, gambling is
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Speaker 1: core to their experience in golf, yes, and it is
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Speaker 1: growing up. I think it's less for the guys at
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Speaker 1: the top level of the pH A Tour, just because
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Speaker 1: what are you playing for? You know, if Jordan's Speece
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Speaker 1: and Justin Thomas say hey, let's go have a little
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Speaker 1: match on Tuesday for a practice round before the Open,
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Speaker 1: what are they playing for you? It's going to get
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Speaker 1: them nervous. Not I mean, there's there's not a whole
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Speaker 1: lot they can do. Phil Miicholson used to have a
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Speaker 1: Tuesday game out on tour where uh it was a
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Speaker 1: two thousand dollar match with a one time thousand dollar
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Speaker 1: press and Phil's words rose, uh, it's it's enough to
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Speaker 1: make you nervous, but not enough to make you uncomfortable,
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Speaker 1: and or or the other way around. Enough to make
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Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, not enough to making nervous tickets. I guess
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Speaker 1: that's why I kind of messed up the first time.
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Speaker 1: But in any case, it's not you know, they're they're betting. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's puts a lot of money for you and I.
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Speaker 1: But that's not really a lot of money for these guys.
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Speaker 1: And what I see is like the levels just below,
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Speaker 1: I play with a lot of guys who are quote
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Speaker 1: unquote professional golfers. Now you don't know their names. They
14:22
Speaker 1: don't play on the PGA Tour, they're not playing around
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Speaker 1: the world in private jets, but they are professional golfers.
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Speaker 1: They play on mini tours. Uh, they try to get
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Speaker 1: in qualifiers around the world. Those are the guys who
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Speaker 1: to them, betting on the game is uh, it's not
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Speaker 1: only funny, it's essential. I mean, this is their livelihood.
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Speaker 1: And if they can go out to a club and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get fifty bucks on this, Uh, they've got
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Speaker 1: dinner for the next couple of nights because they can
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Speaker 1: go out and win the bet. And I think that
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Speaker 1: that is also getting into now, not just betting on yourself,
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Speaker 1: not just betting on you against other players and you
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Speaker 1: playing the game. It's hey, let's go bet on the Open,
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Speaker 1: let's go head on golf every week. Let's extend that
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Speaker 1: to every part of the game as both a competitor
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Speaker 1: and a viewer and a fan. And I just think
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Speaker 1: it's become so good for the game, so big for
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Speaker 1: the game to get more people involved that way. I
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Speaker 1: see it every day on so many different levels that
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Speaker 1: UM draws more people in and more people are interested in,
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Speaker 1: uh in what's going on on the PGA Tour. And
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of that stems from uh knowing
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Speaker 1: that you could bet on yourself when you're playing your
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Speaker 1: own game, and so, okay, well now I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: bet on Dustin Johnson or books Kept or whoever it
15:35
Speaker 1: might be. Speaking of betting on yourself, don't forget to
15:37
Speaker 1: stick around, because we got Darren Ravel talking to to
15:40
Speaker 1: Bias Harris and the Philadelphia semi sixers who bettered himself
15:43
Speaker 1: doubled the offer he was going to get double the
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Speaker 1: offer he got from ninety million to eight million over
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Speaker 1: the course of twelve months. Uh, what it's like to
15:52
Speaker 1: bet on yourself. I think a great story that we
15:55
Speaker 1: need to think about for when the major season is
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Speaker 1: over and we get on a golf season. Is the
16:02
Speaker 1: way these guys hustle on the golf course. You know
16:04
Speaker 1: Drew's Drew Stilts like Sleeves who you host the Action
16:07
Speaker 1: Network podcast. Probably one of the most popular guys in
16:10
Speaker 1: professional golf played in the Web Tour, um web dot
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Speaker 1: Com tour. You know now is a regular Whisper Rock
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Speaker 1: in Arizona knows all the pros. All the pros play
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Speaker 1: out there. Um, he is probably amazing at betting on
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Speaker 1: like these practice rounds between tournaments, you know, rounds during
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Speaker 1: the offseason, that kind of thing. But the idea of
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Speaker 1: these guys who have to hustle from tour to tour,
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Speaker 1: who are not the pro golfers that everyone knows, and
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Speaker 1: where fifty bucks means a lot because they're not paying
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Speaker 1: for dinner. Uh, that's an interesting story, hustling professional golf hustlers.
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Speaker 1: It's not as prevalent as it used to be. I
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Speaker 1: mean I used to hear stories of guys do everything
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Speaker 1: from uh, you know, I'll play with five clubs in
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Speaker 1: my bag, you have your full bag, or I'll take
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Speaker 1: my putter out of the bag and will play for
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Speaker 1: even money. I mean things like that that back in
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Speaker 1: the olden day is twenty thirty years ago. I think
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Speaker 1: we've a lot more prevalent than it is now. I
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Speaker 1: don't hear quite as much about that now. Guys are
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Speaker 1: obviously still playing for money, But I wish that there
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Speaker 1: are better stories out there, just crazy stuff happening on
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Speaker 1: the golf course. You know, guys, guys making these outlandish
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Speaker 1: bets and having different handicaps on't me just being like, hey,
17:22
Speaker 1: I'm in eight in your two, so I'm getting three aside.
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Speaker 1: I mean like handicaps of I'm gonna play with three clubs,
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Speaker 1: or I'm going to uh hit one ball lefty on
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Speaker 1: every single hole, or I'm gonna let you yell in
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Speaker 1: my back swing one time per nine, and that's sort
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Speaker 1: of the handicap thing we're working with. Uh, those are
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Speaker 1: the fun stories to me, I mean, and I'm not
17:42
Speaker 1: sure Chad, they're still happening out there all the time.
17:45
Speaker 1: I think that that was something I used to hear
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Speaker 1: about more a long time ago, and now it's more
17:49
Speaker 1: kind of just straight up golf and different golf games.
17:52
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are playing, you know,
17:54
Speaker 1: whether it's hey, we're gonna play a best ball, We're
17:56
Speaker 1: gonna play Scramble, we're gonna play a wolf game, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna play hammer, like, there are so many different games
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Speaker 1: that you can play, and I think people are doing that.
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Speaker 1: But I don't hear about like sort of the good
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Speaker 1: old days where it's hey, let's really make some handicaps here.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a better golfer than news, so I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna do this to limit myself and we're gonna play
18:14
Speaker 1: even We're gonna see what happens. I think those are
18:16
Speaker 1: the coolest stories. Screw you, Jason for rejecting my story idea.
18:20
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna you're trying to give them more work.
18:24
Speaker 1: I am because you're not, because you're not doing enough.
18:26
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, in your player rankings, which we have
18:28
Speaker 1: to get back to a hundred and fifty six players,
18:31
Speaker 1: you've got Adam Scott number one, And like, when you're
18:34
Speaker 1: thinking about these rankings, what makes you say Adam Scott
18:37
Speaker 1: is number one? What goes into your formula? So I
18:41
Speaker 1: will peel back the curtain a little bit. And what
18:43
Speaker 1: I do when I start working on these rankings is
18:46
Speaker 1: I put every player into one of five categories. So
18:50
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's I don't even label them, but
18:52
Speaker 1: I just kind of know it's it's A, B, C,
18:54
Speaker 1: D and D. I mean, it's just okay. The a's
18:56
Speaker 1: are the guys who I think have a chance to
18:58
Speaker 1: win that golf tournament. Like earlier, that's more players than
19:01
Speaker 1: it used to be. I mean I used to wind
19:03
Speaker 1: up with seven players in the A category. Now I
19:05
Speaker 1: might have twenty nine players in the A category, So
19:08
Speaker 1: that's changed a lot over the last decade or so.
19:10
Speaker 1: But the A category is guys I think can win.
19:13
Speaker 1: The B category is a couple of sleepers, guys who
19:17
Speaker 1: have been playing pretty well, maybe some bigger name players
19:19
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like as much and don't think they
19:22
Speaker 1: can win. Guys that will make the cut and be
19:24
Speaker 1: somewhere in the thirty and forty range and you know,
19:27
Speaker 1: at least get a paycheck that week. City category, you know, okay,
19:31
Speaker 1: just guys making the Cup and not great, they're gonna
19:33
Speaker 1: miss the cut about embarrass themselves. And the E category
19:37
Speaker 1: is uh, the older champions and uh and the guys
19:41
Speaker 1: who really probably shouldn't even be there. They're punched above
19:44
Speaker 1: their weight. So that's how I break them down. And
19:46
Speaker 1: I start looking in the A category, Okay, who do
19:48
Speaker 1: I really like? I start looking at what stats fit
19:51
Speaker 1: the course. I start looking at a lot of it's intangible.
19:54
Speaker 1: I look at Adam Scott and I just said, you know,
19:56
Speaker 1: I've always thought you would win an Open. Going back
19:58
Speaker 1: to two thousand twelve, where he bogeyed the final four
20:01
Speaker 1: holes to lose by one to Ernie Els, I still
20:05
Speaker 1: thought that he should win a Clara jug this this year,
20:09
Speaker 1: He's finished in the top twenty and every single major
20:11
Speaker 1: championship you factor in the players as well, and he's
20:15
Speaker 1: got the best score in relation to par other than
20:19
Speaker 1: three others. And three others are I believe, DJ Kept
20:22
Speaker 1: and Rrie McElroy. So it's like he's right there. He's
20:24
Speaker 1: putting better, He's putting stats are much better. And it
20:27
Speaker 1: also just kind of comes together and you know, I
20:30
Speaker 1: think that Adam Scott's a guy who has a great
20:32
Speaker 1: chance of winning this championship. And um, and again it's
20:36
Speaker 1: such a thin line. I've got Scott number one, John
20:39
Speaker 1: Rob number two, Justin Thomas number three. Trust me, if
20:43
Speaker 1: it happens Thomas, Rob Scott and those are the three
20:46
Speaker 1: of the topic. The board comes Sunday evening. First of all,
20:49
Speaker 1: I'd be very happy with that. Secondly, it wouldn't surprise
20:52
Speaker 1: me whatsoever. I mean, it is, like I said, just
20:54
Speaker 1: a very thin line between all these guys. So what
20:56
Speaker 1: stats do you think are most important for the British
21:00
Speaker 1: ball striking? I really think that ball striking first of all. Uh,
21:06
Speaker 1: I think putting gets neutralized a little bit at an
21:09
Speaker 1: Open championship. Look guys are gonna make some butts. They're
21:12
Speaker 1: not gonna make a lot of No one's gonna make
21:13
Speaker 1: a lot of bucks. Don't gonna miss a lot of bucks.
21:15
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of three bucks that happened at
21:17
Speaker 1: an Open championship. And so basically it's a lot of
21:20
Speaker 1: two putting. And you want the guys. They're gonna hit
21:23
Speaker 1: the ball closer to the hole and give themselves chances
21:25
Speaker 1: for Birdie's Adam Scottson's got a ball. Strikers they're in
21:28
Speaker 1: out there. Uh, he's been really strong this year. Uh.
21:31
Speaker 1: Even even driving is going to be neutralized a business week.
21:35
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna see the bigger hitters hitting
21:38
Speaker 1: driver as much. That takes the advantage away from them
21:41
Speaker 1: a little bit. Gylex Brooks captain or Dustin Johnson, who
21:45
Speaker 1: are among the longest hitters out there, You take away
21:47
Speaker 1: that advantage and say, hey, you can't hit driver this
21:50
Speaker 1: week just because you'll hit it too far or you'll
21:52
Speaker 1: hit it offline. Um, and that negates kind of their
21:56
Speaker 1: ability is just a little bit. So um ball striking
21:59
Speaker 1: number one. And then again there's some intangible so we
22:02
Speaker 1: can't really look at the numbers. We can't look at analytics.
22:04
Speaker 1: I try to find some like a text height of
22:06
Speaker 1: drives and UH and and launch angles and things. I mean,
22:10
Speaker 1: we're going like super inside baseball there, uh talking about
22:14
Speaker 1: like little things like this. But I'm trying to find
22:16
Speaker 1: the guys hit uh, hit a low ball and are
22:19
Speaker 1: better in the wind, because at some point the wind
22:21
Speaker 1: is gonna blow, and I think those guys can have
22:23
Speaker 1: a little bit of an advantage over guys who hit
22:26
Speaker 1: a real high ball. I looked at the numbers Bryson
22:28
Speaker 1: d Chambeau and sit the ball higher than anybody else
22:31
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour this year. That's gonna work really
22:34
Speaker 1: well the three M Open in Minnesota when the wind
22:36
Speaker 1: isn't blowing, where he finished in second place a couple
22:38
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. That's not gonna work at Royal Port Rush.
22:41
Speaker 1: And for that reason, I put him pretty far down
22:44
Speaker 1: on the list in comparison to where he ranks amongst
22:47
Speaker 1: the world's best players. So I think that's a big
22:49
Speaker 1: thing for me too. It's just kind of their ball flight,
22:52
Speaker 1: how they hit the ball, as opposed to just how
22:55
Speaker 1: well they hit the ball. All right, So you have
22:57
Speaker 1: Adam Scott Uh, your top ring player. I also know
23:00
Speaker 1: from another story, not that we want to give away
23:02
Speaker 1: the story, that you have Adam Scott as your best
23:05
Speaker 1: bet to win the tournament. Uh as sort of the
23:08
Speaker 1: best value odds right there. I've bet on Justin Thomas
23:12
Speaker 1: at thirty to one. UM, give me. I want to
23:17
Speaker 1: run through some bets here. Uh, explain to me why
23:22
Speaker 1: you like Matt Kuchar to finish in the top five.
23:26
Speaker 1: I feel like he's having a renaissance. He is having
23:29
Speaker 1: the strangest year of his entire career. And that's not
23:33
Speaker 1: all bad. I mean, he's gone through all these controversies.
23:36
Speaker 1: You know, first of the caddie payment, and he you know,
23:39
Speaker 1: basically underpaid his caddy and it went viral and people
23:42
Speaker 1: heard about it and you had to make amends for it,
23:44
Speaker 1: and he wanted up paying them. And you know, people
23:47
Speaker 1: people think that Kucher is an awful person because of
23:50
Speaker 1: this story that got out. I've known Matt Kucher for
23:52
Speaker 1: a long time. He's very far from an awful person.
23:55
Speaker 1: Might not have handled that situation perfectly, but he's not
23:58
Speaker 1: a bad guy whatsoever. Uh. Then he had, yeah, a
24:02
Speaker 1: situation where he he didn't give up the Sergio Garcia.
24:06
Speaker 1: The match players like some two inches away and Sergio
24:08
Speaker 1: went and kind of raked it and didn't make it
24:10
Speaker 1: and then couture again not his fault, but didn't really
24:15
Speaker 1: play it the right way. He had a drop situation
24:17
Speaker 1: the Memorial where he asked for a drop that no
24:19
Speaker 1: other player would ask for us for ruling, didn't get it,
24:23
Speaker 1: but still on TV for fifteen minutes talking about the situation,
24:27
Speaker 1: and uh, he didn't look good. That's said. That's all
24:29
Speaker 1: the bad stuff. All the good stuff is he's probably
24:32
Speaker 1: having the best year of his career. He's got a
24:34
Speaker 1: couple of wins already this season. Uh, he's I believe,
24:37
Speaker 1: number one on the FedEx Cup points list right now. Uh.
24:41
Speaker 1: So he's playing really really good golf. He's played really
24:44
Speaker 1: well the Open last couple of years. Remember his second
24:47
Speaker 1: to Jordan's two years ago at Birkdale. He came in
24:51
Speaker 1: ninth last year at car Newski. So he understands how
24:54
Speaker 1: to play these types of golf courses. So I like
24:57
Speaker 1: matc future a lot long long with he answered, say
25:00
Speaker 1: I like him the other the other bet that's interesting
25:03
Speaker 1: to me, and it relates to a story that you
25:06
Speaker 1: wrote that I want to get to brooks Kepka versus
25:10
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson. You mentioned both of them sort of in
25:13
Speaker 1: the middle of our podcast earlier today. Who do you
25:16
Speaker 1: like in that matchup? I like brooks Kepa and it's
25:21
Speaker 1: mostly based on what we've seen from him in major championships.
25:24
Speaker 1: This guy is impervious to momentum and he doesn't need
25:29
Speaker 1: to sort of trend in the right direction before he
25:31
Speaker 1: gets to the major. In fact, when I was England,
25:34
Speaker 1: so the few weeks ago, I spoke with him. I said,
25:36
Speaker 1: you know, why do you like to play the week
25:38
Speaker 1: before major championship? I was worked on this piece of
25:41
Speaker 1: players either playing the week before or choosing to rest
25:44
Speaker 1: and prep the week before. He actually prepped for this one.
25:47
Speaker 1: He didn't play the week before, but usually he likes
25:49
Speaker 1: to play. In In all four instances where he's won
25:52
Speaker 1: major in the last few years, he has played the
25:54
Speaker 1: week before. He said, look, you guys don't get it
25:57
Speaker 1: like you guys hear me say, like, I go home
25:58
Speaker 1: and I don't really practice, but you think like I'm
26:00
Speaker 1: actually just practicing a little bit. He goes, when I
26:02
Speaker 1: go home, I don't play golf. I'm telling like I
26:06
Speaker 1: don't take my clubs out of the travel bag when
26:09
Speaker 1: I go home, And so I like playing the week
26:12
Speaker 1: before a major because it actually makes me that's my practice,
26:15
Speaker 1: is playing some tournament the week before, because if I'm
26:18
Speaker 1: not doing that, I'm not playing any golf whatsoever. And
26:21
Speaker 1: the fact that he's first of all too honest about
26:23
Speaker 1: a chad. Secondly, that you will go out there and
26:27
Speaker 1: basically just practiced by playing a tournament for a week
26:29
Speaker 1: and then get to the major and played better than
26:31
Speaker 1: just about everybody else is remarkable to me. And I
26:35
Speaker 1: know you want to get to the other part of this,
26:36
Speaker 1: but you got a secret weapon, uh right next to
26:39
Speaker 1: him all week this week as well. But before we
26:42
Speaker 1: get to that, before we get to this secret weapon,
26:44
Speaker 1: which is an amazing story, Um, it's also amazing to like,
26:49
Speaker 1: do you think he would be that much better if
26:51
Speaker 1: he was practicing? No, I just don't think it's in
26:55
Speaker 1: his makeup whatsoever. And by the same token, I think
26:59
Speaker 1: the other play airs who would be so frustrated trying
27:04
Speaker 1: to live life like brooks Kepta. I made this joke
27:06
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I believe it was a third round at
27:10
Speaker 1: the p g A Championship where Kepta and Jordan's Speef
27:14
Speaker 1: were paired together, and Jordan's Spiece I've always thought, is
27:17
Speaker 1: the type of guy that wakes up at three o'clock
27:19
Speaker 1: in the morning, walks into the bathroom and like checks
27:22
Speaker 1: like looks at his swing in the mirror and like
27:24
Speaker 1: looks at his grip and tries to figure out, like
27:26
Speaker 1: what he's doing wrong, uh, and just drives himself nuts
27:30
Speaker 1: based on how much he thinks about his game, how
27:32
Speaker 1: much he worked on his game, if he tried to
27:35
Speaker 1: do what Kepta does, he would never be able to
27:38
Speaker 1: play golf. It just it wouldn't work for him. He
27:40
Speaker 1: needs to be all in a hundred percent of the
27:42
Speaker 1: time thinking about his game, working on his game. If Kepta,
27:45
Speaker 1: by the same token, tried to do what Jordan's Speef
27:48
Speaker 1: does and thought and worked on his game all the time,
27:52
Speaker 1: he just he'd wear out. It's just not in his makeup.
27:55
Speaker 1: He just wants to go out there and hit the ball,
27:57
Speaker 1: and it works really well for him. I just don't
28:00
Speaker 1: think that if kept the works really really hard on
28:03
Speaker 1: trying to get better and trying, I just don't think
28:06
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna work for him. I just don't think
28:07
Speaker 1: it's in his makeup. It's amazing how much of a
28:10
Speaker 1: mental game that makes golf right. Yeah, totally, and I
28:15
Speaker 1: think it. You know, I can figure. I play a
28:18
Speaker 1: lot of golf, and you know I played, like I said,
28:21
Speaker 1: I played with some guys who are pros, who know
28:23
Speaker 1: the game really well. I had one of my buddies
28:25
Speaker 1: is a pro. The other guy I said, hey, next
28:26
Speaker 1: time hear the range, you should work on this. And
28:28
Speaker 1: I said, I don't go to the range like I.
28:30
Speaker 1: I literally go to the range. So I can like
28:32
Speaker 1: seeing the buddies who are practicing and hang out there
28:34
Speaker 1: and have a beer and talk to them while they're practicing.
28:37
Speaker 1: I don't practice, and so I can understand kept his
28:40
Speaker 1: mentality of I just want to go play golf and
28:43
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out what I'm playing. But if I practice,
28:46
Speaker 1: I'll get worse. He just won't work. And I'm the
28:48
Speaker 1: same way. So I totally understand where he's coming from,
28:51
Speaker 1: even if it sounds weird and most population, you know you,
28:54
Speaker 1: When I think about brooks Kept, I think about you
28:56
Speaker 1: in the same in the same place, an easy comparison.
29:01
Speaker 1: Really yeah, totally, totally. Um. The one thing you're missing
29:06
Speaker 1: this might be. What's separating you from being Brooks Kopka
29:09
Speaker 1: is his caddy, Ricky Elliott, who you wrote about in
29:12
Speaker 1: the Action Network an amazing story literally grew up at
29:17
Speaker 1: Port Rush where the British is being played this week,
29:19
Speaker 1: like not in Northern Ireland, but a quarter mile away
29:24
Speaker 1: from the course and says he's played it a thousand times.
29:28
Speaker 1: Kind of advantage is that it's intangible. And I don't
29:32
Speaker 1: know how to rate this. I mean, for years we
29:34
Speaker 1: talked about Steve Williams relation to Tiger Woods and how
29:38
Speaker 1: much is Steve worth to Tiger Yeah, I mean monetarily,
29:42
Speaker 1: I mean how many strokes as you're worth per round,
29:46
Speaker 1: per tournament. I don't know any way of figuring this out.
29:49
Speaker 1: I've always thought that certain caddies are worth more to
29:51
Speaker 1: certain players than other caddies are. And yeah, good example
29:56
Speaker 1: right now, Paultera stories on Web Simpson's bag. Paulta's or
30:00
Speaker 1: on another bag isn't worth as much as he is
30:02
Speaker 1: to Web Simpson because he is out there basically like
30:05
Speaker 1: like it's like Web Simpson's his dog on the leash
30:08
Speaker 1: and Paul is pulling him in every direction. It works
30:10
Speaker 1: really well when they work as a team. I'm getting
30:13
Speaker 1: off topic here, but Kept is not the kind of
30:15
Speaker 1: guy who lies on Ricky as much as some other
30:18
Speaker 1: players to. So I don't know that it's necessarily worth
30:22
Speaker 1: X amount of strokes per four rounds of golf this week.
30:27
Speaker 1: But all I know is it doesn't hurt. It just
30:30
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt for him to have a guy who knows
30:33
Speaker 1: the course really well. So I spoke with Ricky a
30:35
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. He told me he's played the
30:37
Speaker 1: course over a thousand times. He and Graham McDowell both
30:40
Speaker 1: grew up together. Uh that old job share in the
30:43
Speaker 1: summers where Ricky would work with the head pro in
30:46
Speaker 1: the mornings and do whatever the pro needed him to do,
30:50
Speaker 1: and Graham would be out there playing in practicing, and
30:52
Speaker 1: then they'd go switch around noon and Ricky would go
30:55
Speaker 1: out and play the course then. And Rickie said, like
30:57
Speaker 1: I said, he's he's played it over a thousand times.
31:00
Speaker 1: He knows the course. He's actually saying in his childhood
31:03
Speaker 1: bedroom this week, Uh, not far from the course. So
31:06
Speaker 1: he's got a twin bed, golf trophies around the rooms
31:09
Speaker 1: and his parents never threw anything away, which is pretty funny. So, uh, Yeah,
31:14
Speaker 1: if anything, maybe it helps deflect any attention that Books
31:18
Speaker 1: is getting. And I opink Books necessarily feels the pressure
31:23
Speaker 1: very much, especially uh at an international event, and so
31:26
Speaker 1: if you're in the States. But if everyone's yelling hey,
31:28
Speaker 1: go Ricky, go Ricky and says go Brooks, I think
31:32
Speaker 1: that deflects a little bit and I can probably help
31:33
Speaker 1: a golfer. Well, it's so interesting you make kept a
31:37
Speaker 1: sound like he's a little bit either just machine like
31:42
Speaker 1: or like one of these sort of I don't I
31:47
Speaker 1: don't mean this in a pejorative way, an empty headed,
31:50
Speaker 1: sort of natural athlete, right where it's all so easy
31:54
Speaker 1: that he's impervious to a lot of things that would
31:58
Speaker 1: impact golfers. But also he doesn't need the extra help
32:01
Speaker 1: that he thinks he's going to give him a mental edge.
32:03
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is, if there's anybody who might
32:07
Speaker 1: not need Ricky Elliott at the British Open, it's Brooks
32:11
Speaker 1: Kepta who just happens to have Ricky Elliott, much like
32:16
Speaker 1: his friend Dustin Johnson. I think kept It has gotten
32:18
Speaker 1: a reputation in the public as being, yeah, sort of
32:21
Speaker 1: like an empty headed, you know, kind of jock frat
32:26
Speaker 1: brow type guy who you know just goes out there
32:29
Speaker 1: hit ball, dude, and you know it doesn't have to
32:31
Speaker 1: worry a lot about you know, I just did it
32:33
Speaker 1: one time and another time goes in the home the
32:35
Speaker 1: big peel man. And the truth of matter is, I
32:38
Speaker 1: think he works really hard to maintain that image because
32:42
Speaker 1: he doesn't want people think of him as like this,
32:45
Speaker 1: you know, serious thinker or anything like. I think there's
32:47
Speaker 1: a lot more going on with the books kept then
32:50
Speaker 1: we understand. And Chad, did you see where I put
32:53
Speaker 1: him on my list of one to one? Did you
32:56
Speaker 1: get all the way down there? Remind me it wasn't
32:58
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that high up that I'm thinking, this
33:02
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. I'm gonna barely out here. I
33:07
Speaker 1: put him one fifty six on the list. There you go.
33:10
Speaker 1: You know why Brooks plays with a chip on his shoulder,
33:16
Speaker 1: and he has admitted that sometimes he manufactures that chip.
33:19
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes his name might be spelled wrong somewhere.
33:23
Speaker 1: He throws his hands up and this man, I'm getting disrespected.
33:27
Speaker 1: And he used that used as fuel and motivation to
33:29
Speaker 1: go out and play better golf. And so I put
33:32
Speaker 1: him one fifty six on my list and said, here's
33:34
Speaker 1: the strategy. Let's all bet Brooks kept. Now let's hope
33:38
Speaker 1: this gets back to him. He hears that someone placed
33:41
Speaker 1: him dead last in a ranking of the entire field
33:44
Speaker 1: for the Open Championship. And now let's see him go
33:48
Speaker 1: from Bruce Banner to the Hulk, get really mad, go
33:51
Speaker 1: out and win this championship, and then we all win
33:54
Speaker 1: after having motivated him to go play better. How's that
33:58
Speaker 1: for a plan? I like it. I like the way
34:01
Speaker 1: you're assuming your influence is going to go worldwide, and
34:03
Speaker 1: I appreciate that kind of hubris. We need that at
34:06
Speaker 1: the Action Network. I'm not sure it has yet. I
34:09
Speaker 1: was really trying to go to one of my fellow
34:12
Speaker 1: reporters into asking him about the press conference. I thought
34:15
Speaker 1: that would be a great kept good question. As he's
34:18
Speaker 1: preparing himself for the tournament. Some guy raised his hand,
34:21
Speaker 1: takes the microphone and says, Brooksie, though you were ranked
34:25
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty six on one list of the
34:27
Speaker 1: entire field and books you know, just like slam his
34:30
Speaker 1: fist down on the table. Go you guys, don't respect me,
34:33
Speaker 1: and like walk off and go out and win by
34:35
Speaker 1: twelve and like, you know, mission accomplished. We figured everything
34:39
Speaker 1: out that we need to figure out. That's exactly what
34:41
Speaker 1: we're trying to get him to do. But that hasn't
34:43
Speaker 1: happened yet. Hopefully it will. Well, you never know, You
34:48
Speaker 1: just never know. Sobel, all right, Jason, Sobel the Action
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35:11
Speaker 1: cap Brooks kept even though you have him ranked one
35:13
Speaker 1: fifty six and your players of one. You like him
35:16
Speaker 1: in a match up against Dustin Johnson. I like you
35:20
Speaker 1: to cover the British Open with Flair for the Action Network.
35:25
Speaker 1: That's even money right there. We'll see what happens. You're
35:28
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Speaker 1: year before. And another way to bet is to bet
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Speaker 1: on yourself, and Tobias Harris certainly did that and he
36:01
Speaker 1: came out a hundred million dollars richer. So joining us
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Speaker 1: now is Tobias Harris with the seventies six ers for
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Speaker 1: the next five years, and his father, and not just
36:12
Speaker 1: his father, also his agent, Terrell Harris. Let's get right
36:16
Speaker 1: to it, Tobias, when you know the Clippers offered you
36:19
Speaker 1: an eighty million dollar extension, what made you say I'm
36:24
Speaker 1: gonna bet on myself and let's see what's down the
36:27
Speaker 1: road and get to the point where I'm an unrestricted
36:30
Speaker 1: free agent? Number one. It was for me. I've been
36:33
Speaker 1: in different situations where I have been traded and I
36:36
Speaker 1: had just got there for probably like games or whatnot.
36:41
Speaker 1: And on top of that, you know, me and my
36:43
Speaker 1: father had had talked about it and he said, listen,
36:47
Speaker 1: you know, I know next summer that I can get
36:50
Speaker 1: you close to max deal. I've seen the way that
36:53
Speaker 1: you've worked this summer, and for me, my confidence was
36:56
Speaker 1: sky high in the summer and the opportunity and the
36:58
Speaker 1: role that I was going to have on the team
37:00
Speaker 1: with with the Clippers, who was going to be a
37:02
Speaker 1: big one also knew my game and knew that I
37:06
Speaker 1: wanted a five year deal. He was able to make
37:08
Speaker 1: that decision, and you know, it definitely paid off in
37:10
Speaker 1: the right way. But my father definitely gave me some
37:13
Speaker 1: great confidence in knowing that there was greater out there.
37:16
Speaker 1: And I went home, I looked at the free agent
37:18
Speaker 1: list of guys that were gonna be free agents the
37:21
Speaker 1: next summer, and I said, I'm gonna be one of
37:23
Speaker 1: the best guys on that list. And I just put
37:25
Speaker 1: there working for it. What's it like to actually make
37:28
Speaker 1: that decision on a human level? Or you turned down
37:31
Speaker 1: the money and then you didn't think about it again,
37:34
Speaker 1: how did it actually work in your head? It was like,
37:36
Speaker 1: you know when it when it first came out, you
37:38
Speaker 1: just called eighty million dollars everybody through the internet. When
37:41
Speaker 1: I was like, man, are you bugging? Like what you're doing?
37:45
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, And I was just like, man, listen.
37:47
Speaker 1: Like when we were in Orlando, my father, we had
37:50
Speaker 1: a deal with the Magic for an extension that was
37:53
Speaker 1: four year, thirty two and eighty year or whatnot. And
37:57
Speaker 1: he had said to me, listen, like same exact conversation.
38:01
Speaker 1: I've seen the work you put in. I know the
38:03
Speaker 1: next summer, Uh, you're being a free agent. I can
38:07
Speaker 1: get you anywhere from thirteen up. And we ended up
38:10
Speaker 1: doing four years sixt four. So just having that confidence
38:13
Speaker 1: to better on yourself, it takes a lot, and I
38:16
Speaker 1: knew that for me, Like when you bet on yourself,
38:18
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to really devote yourself to
38:21
Speaker 1: staying healthy and playing great basketball. So you know, those
38:25
Speaker 1: all those things went to that decision making process. But
38:28
Speaker 1: I had signed a big deal previous, and you know,
38:32
Speaker 1: I knew that. Let's just say, if I really played
38:35
Speaker 1: down to the level, you know, which I knew I
38:37
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna do, but I knew I'd be in a
38:39
Speaker 1: good situation with godless you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, Terrell,
38:42
Speaker 1: You've been in this business for a long time. It's
38:44
Speaker 1: not like you're just some dad who decides to represent
38:48
Speaker 1: his son and that's the first time you're in the business.
38:50
Speaker 1: You've been in this business for a long time. So
38:53
Speaker 1: how does that make things different, that it's not like
38:57
Speaker 1: this is your first rodeo. Oh a big difference, of course.
39:01
Speaker 1: I just want to set all praise to God, you know,
39:03
Speaker 1: protecting Tobias from any injuries. But I've been in this
39:07
Speaker 1: business and I look at Tobias and I didn't really
39:09
Speaker 1: see that many players better than him in the NBA.
39:13
Speaker 1: So when Lawrence presented me, and Lawrence knew too that, hey,
39:19
Speaker 1: I understand you're turning it down. I know Tobias is
39:21
Speaker 1: worked more than that, and so it was to me
39:24
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a big deal because a couple of factors.
39:28
Speaker 1: I see the work device puts in. I see the
39:31
Speaker 1: dedication that he has when it comes to the game
39:33
Speaker 1: of basketball, the preparation he goes about each and every day.
39:37
Speaker 1: So it wasn't really a tough decision like a lot
39:40
Speaker 1: of people. He says, how does the father's son dynamic
39:44
Speaker 1: helper hurt? I can see on one side, well, obviously,
39:47
Speaker 1: you know he's my father, so he might believe in
39:49
Speaker 1: me more than you know. He might say I'm better
39:51
Speaker 1: than I really am, or how close you are, and
39:55
Speaker 1: you do this well, you obviously know it's not like
39:57
Speaker 1: a typical agent player relationship where you don't know if
40:00
Speaker 1: the agents in it for themselves. So the fact that
40:04
Speaker 1: you are father's son, how does that make this decision
40:08
Speaker 1: either harder or easier. Well, it's it doesn't mean it's
40:12
Speaker 1: the respect that we have for one another. Bias has
40:15
Speaker 1: some million I have for him as a basketball players
40:18
Speaker 1: and what he you know he do day in and
40:20
Speaker 1: day out. But realistically, if you look at the statistics
40:24
Speaker 1: of tobias efficiencies in the NBA, it's off the chart.
40:28
Speaker 1: It's one of the top players that's in the NBA.
40:31
Speaker 1: He has in the most durable and one of the
40:34
Speaker 1: youngest free agencies out here. So it's like when you
40:37
Speaker 1: look at the statistics, it's all strictly fat. So it
40:41
Speaker 1: gets the point of father and son relationship goes off.
40:44
Speaker 1: I'll just treat him as he's one of another top
40:47
Speaker 1: client that we all have. But I just think if
40:50
Speaker 1: you look at tobias efficiency and the things that he
40:53
Speaker 1: had done and always constantly getting better each and every year,
40:56
Speaker 1: you know you knew that he's one of the top
40:59
Speaker 1: guy in the league. Right. So data is data, statistics
41:03
Speaker 1: or statistics. There's a reason why they call them the
41:06
Speaker 1: human Swiss army knife. I get that, Tobias. Was there
41:09
Speaker 1: ever a time during the season where you thought maybe
41:13
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna pay off? Um? No, not really. I
41:16
Speaker 1: knew for me, at the end of the day, things
41:18
Speaker 1: are gonna work in the place that they're supposed to
41:21
Speaker 1: work out now for my faith and my trust and God,
41:23
Speaker 1: knowing that every situation is to present it for me
41:26
Speaker 1: to grow and learn and and to develop. Whatever is
41:29
Speaker 1: to happen is gonna be what's to happen. I think
41:32
Speaker 1: when you look at myself and my career, just the
41:36
Speaker 1: trades and the ups and downs I've I've grown from
41:38
Speaker 1: every trade, grown from every scenario, every situation. So I
41:42
Speaker 1: kind of knew that it is what you make it.
41:44
Speaker 1: You know, if if you want, you could make it
41:46
Speaker 1: as hey, I want I just want this and that
41:48
Speaker 1: in my career. But for me, I really wanted to win.
41:51
Speaker 1: I know, like what you just touched on the last question,
41:54
Speaker 1: my father and me and and the balance. You know,
41:56
Speaker 1: sometimes I have to tell them, look, I just need
41:58
Speaker 1: you to be dead right now instead of agent. And
42:02
Speaker 1: we have a good dialogue with that, and we have
42:04
Speaker 1: a good dialogue of knowing, Okay, it's time to sit
42:07
Speaker 1: down and talk. When it's time to talk, I call him,
42:09
Speaker 1: I say I needed to speak to Tarrelle. But when
42:11
Speaker 1: it's time in to be father, I call him. I say,
42:14
Speaker 1: what's up there? How you doing? So we got that
42:16
Speaker 1: type of dialogue down. That's great, that's awesome. What were
42:20
Speaker 1: your first thoughts when, Hey, I did get this deal?
42:23
Speaker 1: Obviously the Sixers had your bird right, so they could
42:26
Speaker 1: offer you one more year, they could offer you more money.
42:29
Speaker 1: So when you got the five year, one eighty, what
42:31
Speaker 1: was your first reaction? I was ecstatic. I was super excited.
42:36
Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to be so I wanted
42:39
Speaker 1: to get a deal done here. I wanted to be
42:41
Speaker 1: in the city. I wanted to be with these guys
42:43
Speaker 1: on the team, and um, when um it was presenting
42:46
Speaker 1: the meeting, we were excited. And I was happy for
42:50
Speaker 1: myself for where I've gone. And I was really happy
42:52
Speaker 1: for my father too, because, um, you know, breaking in
42:55
Speaker 1: being in the agency game way back and then now
42:59
Speaker 1: coming back and get into it and being able to
43:01
Speaker 1: do both the deals that he has done for me
43:04
Speaker 1: just speaks by him a hard work that he put
43:06
Speaker 1: in and and and just him as an agent and
43:08
Speaker 1: as a father, Karen and Trusting and his son and Klient.
43:11
Speaker 1: So I was really happy for him. Terrell, I did
43:14
Speaker 1: a little research. Did you represent George Gurvan? So what's
43:19
Speaker 1: your history as an agent? Well, my history goes back
43:22
Speaker 1: thirty years. I represented George Gurvan, Cliff Robertson, Fret Flouster,
43:27
Speaker 1: Lamette Wood, James Bains, Derek Gervin called to mckimmy. You've
43:33
Speaker 1: been around the block here, Yeah, long time, Tobias. I
43:38
Speaker 1: think people love stories when guys bet on themselves and
43:41
Speaker 1: it comes out right, whether it's you or the famous
43:44
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco story and him bringing the Ravens to the
43:47
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in his contract year. And what would you
43:50
Speaker 1: tell other players who potentially could make the same type
43:54
Speaker 1: of bet on themselves? What would what would you tell
43:56
Speaker 1: them about how to go about it? Now, you gotta
43:59
Speaker 1: have faith in your your own self and you gotta
44:01
Speaker 1: be smart too. You want to be able to make
44:04
Speaker 1: a decision that could help yourself and help your family
44:06
Speaker 1: and be able to really be in a situation where
44:08
Speaker 1: you can excel as a player. But I would I
44:11
Speaker 1: would just say you have to be confident. Confidence is
44:14
Speaker 1: number one. Being confident, being smart, You gotta be able
44:17
Speaker 1: to back up both of those things with your hard work.
44:20
Speaker 1: And that's what I was saying. Just put yourself around
44:22
Speaker 1: a good team and a good team that keeps it
44:25
Speaker 1: real with you, that you know when you're doing wrong,
44:27
Speaker 1: let you know when you doing good, and um, just
44:29
Speaker 1: being smart and confident. Those are two of the best
44:31
Speaker 1: things I could give a vice. What did you do
44:34
Speaker 1: anything special this year in terms of being more careful
44:37
Speaker 1: because of what was on the line, in terms of
44:40
Speaker 1: either not going out in a town or do something
44:43
Speaker 1: different because of the stakes involved. But you always got
44:46
Speaker 1: to be sharp. And today's day, with social media and
44:49
Speaker 1: with cell phones and with everything going on in America
44:53
Speaker 1: in general, you gotta be smart with how you approach things.
44:56
Speaker 1: You gotta be smart with your approach to just being
44:58
Speaker 1: a professional. So to be honest, I didn't do anything different.
45:01
Speaker 1: I've been doing this ever since I got in the league.
45:03
Speaker 1: I wanted to be one of the best professionals on
45:05
Speaker 1: and off the floor, so I just stuck to things
45:08
Speaker 1: that when I first came to the league that I
45:10
Speaker 1: learned from that and I learned from experience, and then
45:14
Speaker 1: I've been just doing those exact same things and just
45:16
Speaker 1: getting smarter along the process every year. All right, two
45:19
Speaker 1: more questions, Terrell, how does commission work with father son relationship?
45:23
Speaker 1: He gets one. I want to go back with the
45:26
Speaker 1: questions to just asked him. One thing I want to
45:28
Speaker 1: say about the lives. He played the game the right way.
45:31
Speaker 1: When he was in the l A the Clippers, Doc
45:34
Speaker 1: gave him the ball and he was the guy and
45:37
Speaker 1: he was rolling. He was the first option on the
45:39
Speaker 1: team and Doc believe in him. Then in February is
45:44
Speaker 1: a change he had to come into just to this team.
45:47
Speaker 1: One thing about to Bias. He steadily played his game.
45:50
Speaker 1: He didn't go out there and say, okay, well I
45:52
Speaker 1: was a man and the Clippers and I'm I'm on
45:55
Speaker 1: my final year. My I'm on I'm on last year,
45:58
Speaker 1: my contract. I gotta go out there and a numbers. No.
46:00
Speaker 1: He just he even sacrificed himself even more. And sometimes
46:05
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you know, just play the
46:07
Speaker 1: way you played the Clippers. You know, he says, you know, Dad,
46:09
Speaker 1: I just I played the game the right way and
46:11
Speaker 1: just the way you taught me. So I gotta play
46:13
Speaker 1: the game the right way. And he didn't play the
46:15
Speaker 1: game where he was worrying about a contract. He just
46:17
Speaker 1: went out there and played the team game. He tried
46:19
Speaker 1: to do the best he could for his team to win.
46:22
Speaker 1: And actually he played so unselfish when he came here
46:27
Speaker 1: to the Sixers. That's a testimony that he you know,
46:30
Speaker 1: he has the craft of the game, played the game
46:32
Speaker 1: the right way to win. That's how he's built. And
46:35
Speaker 1: I'm more proud of him than that. How he's the leader.
46:38
Speaker 1: You know, he bought trying to bring these guys together
46:40
Speaker 1: as one and say, hey, listen, in order for us
46:43
Speaker 1: to win, we all got to sacrifice our game. And
46:46
Speaker 1: that's what he did. Basically, I appreciate that, but you
46:48
Speaker 1: you still duck the commissions. That's confidential. That's confidential matter
46:55
Speaker 1: though you know, I love you. No, he gets he
46:59
Speaker 1: gets a vague he deserves. He knows what he deserved.
47:02
Speaker 1: We we'll discussed that. He always shots to slide it
47:05
Speaker 1: in on on the day. I probably get my first
47:07
Speaker 1: pace of you trying to slide that they need that commission,
47:11
Speaker 1: as he should. The whole thing is it's a blessing.
47:14
Speaker 1: It's a blessing in a lot of different ways. One
47:16
Speaker 1: main reason why Tobias did walk away the size of money.
47:20
Speaker 1: He wanted to see a home that he fits in,
47:22
Speaker 1: you know, because he's been traded a couple of times,
47:25
Speaker 1: and he wanted to basically to look at an organization
47:29
Speaker 1: with the culture was right where everybody just want to
47:32
Speaker 1: come together as one and win the championship. And for
47:35
Speaker 1: him at this stage in his career, he wants to
47:38
Speaker 1: win the championship. You don't want to be on the
47:40
Speaker 1: rebuilding teams. You want to be on guys and all
47:42
Speaker 1: selfish trying to get their numbers. He wants to be
47:44
Speaker 1: on teams like everybody for for each other. Elson presented
47:49
Speaker 1: that here to him and that's what Tobias wanted and
47:52
Speaker 1: that's why we have to make up of this team
47:54
Speaker 1: we have right now. Last question to Bias. We know
47:57
Speaker 1: that there's high stakes betting that goes on between players
48:01
Speaker 1: that shoot arounds and stuff like that. You have a
48:03
Speaker 1: favorite story, yeah, yeah. During the playoffs, me and Mike Scott,
48:08
Speaker 1: we would you know, playoff for d M. It's some
48:10
Speaker 1: good for dam right there. So with me and Mike
48:13
Speaker 1: Scott would beat and we would go through a three
48:16
Speaker 1: point shooting drill where we probably get up about seventy
48:20
Speaker 1: threes and whoever has the best record, like throughout all
48:24
Speaker 1: fifteen spots gets to take the other persons for d
48:27
Speaker 1: M so for the entire playoffs of the game, for
48:29
Speaker 1: the entire playoffs. God, oh that's some money. That's some
48:33
Speaker 1: money right there. So I remember taking Mike Scott, so
48:36
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to run that back this year for sure. Guys,
48:39
Speaker 1: thanks so much. I really appreciate it. First time I've
48:42
Speaker 1: talked to you, and I already love you guys, So congratulations,
48:45
Speaker 1: this is an amazing story and and you deserve it all.
48:48
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We appreciate you. Our thanks again
48:52
Speaker 1: to Tobias Harris and his father Terrell. What an awesome
48:56
Speaker 1: story and we're so glad to bring it to you today.
48:59
Speaker 1: Back to you. That was Dannil Revel went Tobias Harris.
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