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The Kenny Report | 27 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The US style political assault by Labor against Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to Albernizi's promised to improve the tone of politics?
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  Speaker 2: Why Labor can't possibly ban controversial US commentator Candice owns
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  Speaker 2: the reckless renewables push, dividing regional communities, and how nuclear
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  Speaker 2: energy saves hundreds of billions of dollars on transmission costs,
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  Speaker 2: also government spending driving up inflation. Sophie Elsworth on the
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  Speaker 2: ABC's woes, and Kristen Tate on how Kamala Harris is
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  Speaker 2: ducking scrutiny in the US, let's get started. Just when
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  Speaker 2: most of us look at US politics and shake our heads,
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  Speaker 2: we despair at the hatred, the law fare, the focus
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  Speaker 2: on vitriol over substance, on personal attacks over policy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just when most of us are wondering if US.
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  Speaker 2: Politics can sink any lower, the Albanezi Labor government is
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  Speaker 2: trying to turn out politics in the same direction. The
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister and his senior ministers are Americanizing Australian politics.
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  Speaker 2: They can't defend their policies, they can't deliver on their promises,
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  Speaker 2: so they're turning to ugly personal attacks on Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 2: Dutton is dangerous, screams the headline in The Australian Today,
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  Speaker 2: based on a speech overnight by the Treasurer.
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  Speaker 3: He is the most divisive leader of a major political
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  Speaker 3: party in Australia's modern history, and not by accident, but
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  Speaker 3: by a choice. At a time when most sane people
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  Speaker 3: see political divisiveness around the world and want are rejected,
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  Speaker 3: he wants to embrace it. It's the only plan in
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  Speaker 3: his political platform. He divides deliberately, almost pathologically particular and
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  Speaker 3: this is worse than disappointing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the lefty audience laps it up, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Just have a look at what's going on here. Labor
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  Speaker 2: promised to ease the cost of living a squeeze, and
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  Speaker 2: they haven't. They promised to kill off inflation and force
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  Speaker 2: interest rates down and they haven't. They promised to cut
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  Speaker 2: our electricity bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year and they haven't done that. They've increased the
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  Speaker 2: bills by about twice as much as the promised cut,
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  Speaker 2: and Labour's so called transition to renewable energy is a mess,
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  Speaker 2: taking longer, costing more living.
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  Speaker 1: A short of power. So what do they do? They
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  Speaker 1: play the man.
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  Speaker 4: He continually looks to pretend, to pretend that he's so strong.
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  Speaker 1: But narsiness is not strength. Narcialess is not strength.
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  Speaker 5: And he's got form.
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  Speaker 6: He's got form on trying to divide the Australian community.
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  Speaker 4: And he launched this negative, nasty dog whistling scare campaign.
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  Speaker 4: We want politics to be part of the mainstream. We
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  Speaker 4: don't want a divisive prime minister, which is what Peter
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  Speaker 4: Dutton would be.
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  Speaker 6: The path that Peter Dutton wants for Australia is the
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  Speaker 6: more divisive path.
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  Speaker 2: Look, on one level, you can understand this in cold
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  Speaker 2: hard political terms. I mean, it was the personal attacks,
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  Speaker 2: largely based on falsehoods perpetrated by Labor, the Greens and
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  Speaker 2: the Tills and the media about the Britney Higgins affair
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  Speaker 2: that saw Labor bring down Scott Morrison, even though less
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  Speaker 2: than a third of people gave Labor their primary vote.
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  Speaker 2: So Labor is now expanding on that tactic early borrowing
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  Speaker 2: the hatred and personal attacks of American politics in the
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  Speaker 2: lead up to our election.
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  Speaker 3: Our job as leaders is the heal divisions in our society.
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  Speaker 3: Dutton wants to pick at them and pray on them
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  Speaker 3: for political advantage. And as we saw last week in
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  Speaker 3: the Parliament, his dog whistle only plays one Martin.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe it won't work this time.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe voters are awake to these desperate tactics. You see,
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  Speaker 2: the Labour's largely trying to base these attacks on the
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  Speaker 2: Gaza visa issue. And a poll published in the Guardian today,
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  Speaker 2: no less the leftist Guardian, well it found that only
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  Speaker 2: thirty percent of voters agree with Labor over its Gaza
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  Speaker 2: visa weakness, while forty four percent support Dutton's firm approach
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  Speaker 2: and more than a quarter are yet to make up
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  Speaker 2: their minds. Yeah, perhaps a common sense approach on border
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  Speaker 2: security and immigration kind of appeals to, you know, people's
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  Speaker 2: common sense.
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  Speaker 1: But this bile from Labor won't go away.
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  Speaker 2: They've decided clearly that this is their path to retaining
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  Speaker 2: power because it can't be the cost of living, of course,
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  Speaker 2: and it can't be economic management, it can't be managing
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  Speaker 2: border security and immigration, and most certainly can't be delivering liable,
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  Speaker 2: affordable power. So operation Yet Skimo has now become Yet
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  Speaker 2: Dutton which kind of gives the lie to this.
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  Speaker 4: We want to change the tone of politics in this country.
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  Speaker 1: We want to be more inclusive.
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  Speaker 4: We want to make sure there's less shouting and more delivery.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't listen to what they say, just have a
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  Speaker 2: look at what they do. Many of you will have
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  Speaker 2: heard of Candace Owen's a US political and social commentator.
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  Speaker 2: Many of you will have seen her over the years
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  Speaker 2: and even agreed with some of her commentary. But if
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  Speaker 2: you are watching the Bolt Report last night, you'd also
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  Speaker 2: know she seems to have gone tropo. She's crossed the line.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew showed some of her wild, offensive and frankly absurd statements.
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  Speaker 2: Owens is heading to Australia for a series of events
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  Speaker 2: later this year, with people paying a one hundred bucks
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  Speaker 2: a pop and even up to fifteen hundred dollars to
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  Speaker 2: see her speak in Some groups, Includingjewish groups and the Coalition,
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  Speaker 2: are calling on the government to ban her, to deny
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  Speaker 2: her a visa to Australia. Now, I'm not much into
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  Speaker 2: banning people just for what they say, but let me
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  Speaker 2: explain why the Albanesi government's weakness on real hate speech,
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  Speaker 2: the hate speech behind terrorism surely means they can't even
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  Speaker 2: consider denying her a visa.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back a bit with Owen.
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  Speaker 2: She became pretty prominent four or five years ago, and
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  Speaker 2: I've got to say she impressed a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: including me, as a strong voice pointing out the folly
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  Speaker 2: and dangers of the US Black Lives Matter protests and
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  Speaker 2: the defund the police lobby. She even joined Cogne West
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  Speaker 2: in sporting a White Lives.
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  Speaker 1: Matter T shirt at a fashion event.
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  Speaker 7: We bry on a T shirt to actually do something
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  Speaker 7: that was inclusive, to say, actually, waite Americans, you are
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  Speaker 7: allowed to be a part of this.
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  Speaker 8: Too, because literally all.
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  Speaker 7: Lives matter, and in fact, no lives have been mattering.
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  Speaker 7: Black Americans are suffering as a result because of Black
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  Speaker 7: Lives Matter. We know that their neighborhoods have been rioted
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  Speaker 7: in inner city communities and the businesses are moving out
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  Speaker 7: of there. The result of Black Lives Matter has been
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  Speaker 7: white supremacy, assuming that Black Americans were stupid and emotional
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  Speaker 7: and would loot and riot their own communities to fill
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  Speaker 7: a false narrative about policing. And so we got to
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  Speaker 7: say all of that by wearing one T shirt.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that was good Candae a strong, sensible voice, cooling
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  Speaker 2: out the extremes of the work lift. But from there
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  Speaker 2: she went a long, wide down the anti vaxa worm hall.
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  Speaker 2: And as you know, I know the problems with the vaccines,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been against mandates. But there's a difference between
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  Speaker 2: that and coming up with some of the wild conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theories that Owen's was spouting. And either time, she seems
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  Speaker 2: to have become increasingly disconnected from reality, so that we
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  Speaker 2: now get this sort of craziness.
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  Speaker 9: I'm waking people up to the fact that pedophiles are
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  Speaker 9: in power. They are literally in power, and that is
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  Speaker 9: intentional because then they can be controlled while they are
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  Speaker 9: in power, and they are also exhibiting signs of a
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  Speaker 9: psycho pathology. It lets them know that they will do
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  Speaker 9: harm to the masses and feel nothing because they were themselves,
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  Speaker 9: many of them ranged when they were children. It is
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  Speaker 9: not a coincidence that Justin Trudeau is gay, at Obama gay,
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  Speaker 9: Zelenski gay, Emmanuel mar Crone gay and married to a
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  Speaker 9: trans man who molested him when he was a child.
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  Speaker 1: Dear, oh, dear, And it gets even worse.
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  Speaker 2: Owens has made a range of comments that are andti Semitic,
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  Speaker 2: bizarre and inflammatory comments about Jews and Israel.
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  Speaker 7: Catholics and Christians were going missing on Passover and then
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  Speaker 7: they would find bodies, okay, across Europe.
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  Speaker 8: And they were able to trace them back to Jews,
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  Speaker 8: blood libel.
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  Speaker 9: They weren't Jews, okay, These were Frankests unless the nation
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  Speaker 9: of Israel may have been established by some Frankists.
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  Speaker 1: Poor boy.
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  Speaker 2: Hence the calls by Jewish groups to ban her from
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  Speaker 2: coming to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: But how could this government ban her?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a government that tells us Hummus
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  Speaker 2: supporters can come into Australia direct from Gaza.
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  Speaker 10: If it's just rhetorical re support and they don't have
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  Speaker 10: an ideology or support for a violent extream as an ideology,
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  Speaker 10: then that's not a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a government that's seen the slaughter of
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  Speaker 2: innocence celebrated on our streets immediately after the October the
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  Speaker 2: seventh atrocity. And this government has seen Jew hatred preached
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  Speaker 2: by religious leaders.
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  Speaker 5: The invading Jews we see, but a long the day
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  Speaker 5: you will be kicked out.
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  Speaker 1: Of Palestine is coming.
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  Speaker 11: The trees will speak, the soun will speak, and I'll say, believer,
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  Speaker 11: there is a Yahudi behind me, come and kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. It's seen all that and it's done nothing nothing,
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  Speaker 2: no bands, no visas revoked, and no prosecutions launched. So
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  Speaker 2: given this pathetic showing against true hate preaching and people
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  Speaker 2: supporting vile Islamist terrorist organizations, how can the government even
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  Speaker 2: contemplate banning one American woman promoting a range of nutty
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  Speaker 2: and even offensive conspiracy theories. Now I want to get
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  Speaker 2: back to these personal attacks on Peter Dutton. The Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister was asked about them today and here's what he
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  Speaker 2: had to say.
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  Speaker 4: Peter Dutton represents division and he never has an answer
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  Speaker 4: that's positive or constructive.
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  Speaker 2: I caught up with the Shadow Energy Minister, Ted O'Brien
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  Speaker 2: to get his take on these attacks on Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 12: I've heard a lot about this, Chris, including from Jim Chalmers.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, is the treasurer he sat down to write
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  Speaker 12: a speech. It's not about inflation, productivity, power prices, the
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  Speaker 12: housing crisis. No, it's a blatant personal attack on Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 12: This says more about Jim Charmers than it does about
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  Speaker 12: Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 2: It was interesting that Anthony ALBERIZI didn't back up the
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  Speaker 2: dangerous line, but he's happy to call Peter Dutton divisive
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  Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. Let's just have a
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  Speaker 2: look at what your leader, Peter Dutton said in response.
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  Speaker 13: I think it's also important to point out that obviously
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  Speaker 13: the Prime Minister this morning, in his comments, walked back
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  Speaker 13: some of what Jim Charmers had to say. So I
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  Speaker 13: think there is real internal friction within the Labor Party
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  Speaker 13: and it shows the dynamic that's going on in the
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  Speaker 13: Labor Party at the moment because this is a government
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  Speaker 13: where the wheels are falling off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there we go, teasing out the tensions, leadership
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  Speaker 2: tensions within the Labor Party. But I think the point
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  Speaker 2: here Ted is the Americanization of Australian politics. We will
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  Speaker 2: look at how divisive and personal and nasty American politics
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  Speaker 2: is Labor here instead of talking about how they're going
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  Speaker 2: to cut government spending or put downward pressure on inflation
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  Speaker 2: or fix the electricity system, all they're doing is going
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  Speaker 2: for these attacks on Peter Dunton.
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  Speaker 12: And you can't treat Australian like mugs, cris. I think
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  Speaker 12: Australians will see through this. I mean Seriously, this is
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  Speaker 12: the government of the day. We are amidst a cost
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  Speaker 12: of living crisis and the best they can come up
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  Speaker 12: with is to attempt some sort of character assassination. I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 12: what does this say to mums and dads at home
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  Speaker 12: who are struggling to pay the bill, the singer citizen
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  Speaker 12: who doesn't know if they're going to turn on the
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  Speaker 12: heater tonight because they can't pay their power bills? What
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  Speaker 12: the Prime Minister, the Treasurer, the government of the day.
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  Speaker 12: The best they can do is try to attempt some
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  Speaker 12: sort of character assassination.
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  Speaker 1: It's poor form, but more than that, it's just out
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  Speaker 1: of touch.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty pathetic. I think most Australians will see through it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get to your portfolio area and the big challenge
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  Speaker 2: of trying to guarantee and deliver affordable, reliable electricity to
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  Speaker 2: this country. When we look at the coalition plans to
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  Speaker 2: cut spending, a lot of it seems to be in
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  Speaker 2: that space where labor's tipping tens of billions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: into transmission lines and the like that won't be needed
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  Speaker 2: if you can get your nuclear plan up, tell us
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  Speaker 2: where the savings are in the nuclear plant as well
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  Speaker 2: as of course the costs in the medium to longer term.
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  Speaker 12: Chris, There's no doubt that if you replace retiring coal
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  Speaker 12: plants at the site of coal plants, then you are
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  Speaker 12: leveraging the existing transmission lines and you are replacing a
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  Speaker 12: twenty four to seven base load power with a similar,
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  Speaker 12: comparable technology That in itself takes away the need for
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  Speaker 12: Labour's extraordinary roll out of trends mission lines. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: you can't forget later still believes in a green energy
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  Speaker 12: sort of superpower idea exporting green hydrogen. Now that's going
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  Speaker 12: to take up to twenty eight thousand kilometers of transmission lines,
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  Speaker 12: all of which are going to be paid by the
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  Speaker 12: Australian people one way or another, by taxpayers or consumers.
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  Speaker 12: Our plan is completely different. We believe in a balanced
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  Speaker 12: energy mix. We believe in system planning that puts the
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  Speaker 12: consumer at the center and basically says what is the
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  Speaker 12: cheapest way that we can keep the lights on and
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  Speaker 12: decarbonize at.
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  Speaker 1: The same time.
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  Speaker 12: What we see in that is we don't need to
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  Speaker 12: have this extraordinary roll out of transmission lines steamrolling communities,
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  Speaker 12: and that ultimately means it's not just cheaper from the
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  Speaker 12: consumer's perspective, but also businesses, many of whom are now
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  Speaker 12: are now closing their doors. So it all comes back
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  Speaker 12: to in a cost of living crisis, there's a different
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  Speaker 12: way for as to manage our electricity grid, and we
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  Speaker 12: can do it which is cheaper.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course there's going to be a cost in
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  Speaker 2: constructing nuclear generation, but as you say, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: savings in the transmission and of course some of the
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  Speaker 2: additional renewables you won't need. But of course to get
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  Speaker 2: there through the timeframe, to get some baseload nuclear energy
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  Speaker 2: into the system, you will need a lot more gas generation.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's accepting that, all the industry experts we talk to
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to explore exploiting more gas, extracting more
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  Speaker 2: gas and building more peaking.
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  Speaker 1: Plants, more gas generating plants.
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  Speaker 2: Will that be government money or do you expect that
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  Speaker 2: can all be funded by private investors.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt, Chris, that is the priority. Number One.
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  Speaker 12: We shouldn't be closing our baseloade power stations prematurely. Number two,
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  Speaker 12: we need to pour more gas into the system.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 12: The biggest message I've had over nearly two and a
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  Speaker 12: half years now from the gas industry is government needs
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  Speaker 12: to clear.
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  Speaker 1: Away all the hurdle.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, it is penalizing the industry right now, which
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  Speaker 12: is why we are seeing a flight of capital overseas.
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  Speaker 12: So that comes down to the approvals process. There is
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  Speaker 12: a role for government though, and the role for government
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  Speaker 12: isn't just clearing away those bottlenecks. We need to have
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  Speaker 12: better infrastructure in this country. We need to make sure
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  Speaker 12: we are pushing industry for peaking plants, so we need
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  Speaker 12: to get more gas out of the ground. We need
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  Speaker 12: to distribute gas where it's needed, and then we also
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  Speaker 12: need generators so that it can be used. Now, all
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  Speaker 12: of these parts of the supply chain need to be
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  Speaker 12: worked on. There are different roles for government, but the
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  Speaker 12: private sector right now is saying we're up for it.
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  Speaker 12: But government, can you please just get out of the way.
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  Speaker 12: Stop heightening sovereign risk.
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  Speaker 1: That has to be our priority.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's going to happen no matter what happens
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  Speaker 2: with nuclear or renewables. We need more of that gas,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what a view of many experts here. Great
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  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us from Perth today, teddo Brian. Can
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  Speaker 2: we to go on some more discussion about the economy
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  Speaker 2: and government spending in just a moment. But last night
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  Speaker 2: we were talking with Paul Murray actually about the speculation
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  Speaker 2: that the supergroup Oasis was going to reform for concerts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I told you then it was definitely maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Now I can tell you it's morning in the UK
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  Speaker 2: and the story Morning Glory, is that it's on.
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  Speaker 1: There's been the big news, of course, much expectation around
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  Speaker 1: the world. In just the last few minutes. Oasis have
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  Speaker 1: announced that they are reuniting for.
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  Speaker 2: Their first tour in fifteen years. They're going to be
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  Speaker 2: playing fourteen concerts. A lot of people thought it might
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  Speaker 2: be just one, but that'll be the middle of the.
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  Speaker 1: Year next year, the UK summer. And it comes, of
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  Speaker 1: course after Nol and Liam Gallagher have patched things up.
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  Speaker 1: Their promo said that the guns have fallen silent and.
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  Speaker 2: They're back together, and there's already talked that the shows
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  Speaker 2: could produce revenue of more than a billion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Yet I'll make some money out of it. Here's their promo.
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  Speaker 14: We eliminate Sulla, perfect me. I know my brother better
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  Speaker 14: than anybody else when both come together greatness. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The tickets go on sale this Saturday, apparently, and I
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  Speaker 2: guarantee you there will be many thousands of ossies jumping
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  Speaker 2: online to get tickets and get some flights to the
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  Speaker 2: UK for those concerts.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing stuff. Oasis a live tour of.
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  Speaker 2: The UK fourteen concerts planned for the next English summer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to our economy now.
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  Speaker 2: I want to catch up with Judith Sloan, the contributing
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  Speaker 2: economics editor at the Australian newspaper.
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  Speaker 6: She joins me.
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  Speaker 1: Live from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Well, should be very pleased that Carlton squeezed their way
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  Speaker 2: into the finals and good to read your stuff in
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  Speaker 2: the odds again today, Judith talking about that this is
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  Speaker 2: what the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers and Anthony Ibtis you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about, and that is how government spending
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  Speaker 2: is pushing up inflation and therefore keeping interest rates high.
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  Speaker 15: Yes, Chris, Well, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 16: Look.
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  Speaker 15: I'd come across this magazine article from the mid nineteen
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  Speaker 15: nineties and there was a profile piece on Peter Costello,
• 19:08
  Speaker 15: including some other international leaders too, and he was very
• 19:12
  Speaker 15: definite in what his aim was as the newly elected,
• 19:15
  Speaker 15: newly installed Treasurer, and that was to balance the budget
• 19:20
  Speaker 15: live within our means, and actually he talked about reforming
• 19:24
  Speaker 15: the tax system, and it just occurred to me, we
• 19:27
  Speaker 15: don't hear our treasurer. We don't hear Jim Chalmers talking
• 19:31
  Speaker 15: about living within our means. And indeed, in the May
• 19:34
  Speaker 15: budget the viewers might remember that he had absolutely no
• 19:39
  Speaker 15: compunction and announcing four substantial deficits over the forward estimates,
• 19:44
  Speaker 15: and he showed no embarrassment at all.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and living within our means is what we all
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: have to do. And of course we all carry debt
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: as well usually, but we have to keep our debt
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: down so that we can live within our means and
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: service our debt. So we know it's a similar story
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: with governments. I thought you'll column today you included an
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: absolutely brilliant quote from the famous economist Milton Freeman, the Friedman,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and he says, keep your eye on one thing, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: one thing only, how much government is spending, because that's.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: The true tax.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: If you're not paying for it in the form of
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: explicit taxes, you're paying for it indirectly, in the form
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of inflation or in the form of borrowing.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: They spend Judith, and we all pay.
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: Well exactly.
• 20:32
  Speaker 15: And the point I'm trying to make is that you know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 15: they're basically universal truths. There are some absolutely fabulous other
• 20:40
  Speaker 15: quotes from Milton Friedman. I might add, and as it
• 20:44
  Speaker 15: was true then he won the Nobel Prize. They're true today.
• 20:48
  Speaker 15: But you know, I think COVID and possibly even going
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: back to the GFC, there was that sort of myths
• 20:57
  Speaker 15: that were pushed by governments which was sort of along
• 20:59
  Speaker 15: the line lines that kind of money grows on trees.
• 21:03
  Speaker 15: I think that was particularly true during the COVID period,
• 21:07
  Speaker 15: the whole debt and deficit discussion that was so important.
• 21:11
  Speaker 15: Actually even during Wayne Swan's period of TREASURER has just
• 21:16
  Speaker 15: seemingly disappeared. But my prediction is that you know, this
• 21:21
  Speaker 15: is going to come back, probably with a bit of
• 21:24
  Speaker 15: a tsunami like impact. And I quote some other governments,
• 21:29
  Speaker 15: including the US, which has a completely out of control
• 21:33
  Speaker 15: fiscal position. It has a deficit at the moment of
• 21:37
  Speaker 15: about one point seven trillion dollars, which is over six
• 21:40
  Speaker 15: percent of GDP, and everyone seems to take a very
• 21:44
  Speaker 15: relaxed attitude to it at the moment. There will come
• 21:47
  Speaker 15: a time when we're not quite so relaxed.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can remember when they were doing all that
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: spending during the pandemic.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: One of the arguments they used for the fact that
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: there wouldn't need to be a reckoning was that all
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: governments are essentially doing it. But surely that means that
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: maybe globally the reckoning will be even more severe. It's
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: very difficlarily for oppositions to try and win their way
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: into power promising to spend less, promising to cut spending.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: But that's what the Coalition is going to have to do,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and they've started to talk in those terms.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Here's Angus Taylor today.
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: He's fighting the Reserve Bank, he's fighting the Productivity Commission,
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: and he is fighting the laws of economics in this
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: country because he thinks that the way to beat inflation
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: is to throw more money at it. And that has
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: never been true and never will be true.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Judith, just to wrap up your thoughts on this,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: it's never ending into play between politics and economics. So
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the Coalition knows that government spending has to be cut,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: but politically it's always a difficult cell.
• 22:54
  Speaker 15: Well, it is, and you know, I make the point
• 22:56
  Speaker 15: that you know, the beneficiaries of government spending are generally
• 22:59
  Speaker 15: constant and traded and fairly clear who they are, whereas
• 23:03
  Speaker 15: those who are bearing the bearing the costs through higher
• 23:06
  Speaker 15: taxes and inflation the light, well they're kind of dispersed,
• 23:09
  Speaker 15: so you know, and I think we've seen alb and
• 23:12
  Speaker 15: Easy today even talk about well, you know, where are
• 23:15
  Speaker 15: the cuts, you know, Ranth the gang austerity. I just
• 23:19
  Speaker 15: hope the Coalition holds its nerve because I think people
• 23:23
  Speaker 15: do realize that there's a tremendous amount, tremendous amount of
• 23:27
  Speaker 15: waste that's spending and they are concerned about what the
• 23:30
  Speaker 15: long run implications of it are.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for joining us, Judith. A lot of sense
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: there and good luck to your Blues in the finals,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Judith Sloan. There are renowned Carlton supporter, as a lot
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of people in politics are. Josh Friedenberg, Phil Carry is
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: a bunch of them around. Nicholas Reese is running to
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: be Lord mayor in Melbourne. The Blues just snuck in there.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, we'll catch up with Cusi
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tiempo get their views on this
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: targeting of Peter Dutton and also calls to ban the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister from next year's Marti grat I'll explain why.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Let's solve the problems of the world with Cusi.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: O'Brien from The Herald Son in Melbourne and Radio two
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Double See Breakfast host in Canbras, Stephen Senna Tiempo.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks both for joining me.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: First up, just your quick thoughts on this attack we're
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: seeing against Peter Dutton's being led now by Jim Charmers,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: but obviously Alberanizi has been in on it a whole
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: lot of front benches.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: It's particularly nasty. Do you think this is a deliberate tactic, Susi, Well, the.
• 24:35
  Speaker 17: Polls are tightening and that means that the attacks are heightening,
• 24:39
  Speaker 17: and it's really interesting. I think for a while we've
• 24:41
  Speaker 17: thought that Charmers was going to be reeled out over
• 24:44
  Speaker 17: the next few months as the main attack dog, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 17: we have seen Albanizi very much mirroring some of these attacks.
• 24:51
  Speaker 17: And you know, it's one thing for Labor to say
• 24:53
  Speaker 17: we want to take the high road, we want an
• 24:56
  Speaker 17: end division, we want an end to name calling, and
• 24:58
  Speaker 17: then they're doing exactly that in their attacks of Dutton.
• 25:01
  Speaker 17: So they've got to be very careful about the hypocrisy
• 25:04
  Speaker 17: of these kind of attacks.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think hypocrisy is a very fine word in
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: this case, Stephen, because the troubles that they're basing their
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: attacks on their decision to allow Hummus sympathizers into Australia.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: They're saying, if you support Hummus rhetorically.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: That's okay, come on in.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Surely that's the most divisive policy we've seen from an Australian.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Government in many a year, no doubt about it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: But I think it's smacks of desperation too. And I
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: mean this government's on its knees in almost every policy area.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: And I know the ABC are out there trying to
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: tell us that the government had some wins last week,
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: but they haven't had a win a long long time.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: So they've now got to attack the man because that's
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: all they've got and it's look, I don't think it's
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: going to wash and I think Peter Dutton will actually
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: wear it as a badge of honor.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I did hear some of that ABC stuff.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: The government had a big win because they passed the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: draconian New Industrial Relations Laws through the Parliament.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, how that's a win for the country is
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: beyond me.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: But I want to stick on this topic of division
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: because the social divisions, the lack of social cohesion in
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: this country at the moment has really sunk to the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: dangerous and disturbing levels in our own Caroline Marcus, our
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: senior reporter here at Sky News, has revealed today some
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: examples of anti Semitism blatant anti semitism in schools in
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: New South Wales.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Have a look at these examples.
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: In these boys toilet's at Lenfield Learning Village, a swastika
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: and the words kill the Jews in German. Another swastika
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: is carved into a tree. At Sinaive's High School, a
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: photo of a Jewish student has the words gas and
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: haler scrawled on it in a group chat, while again
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: at Lynfield, a student says he's dressing as Hitler for
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: Halloween and a swastika made of colored pins adorns a
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: classroom wall.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Just shocking stuff, Susie.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I hope teachers and parents are talking to kids about this,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: because of course they've got questions, you know, what are Nazis?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: What's a swastika? But it's going to be explained to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: them how evil this stuff is.
• 27:09
  Speaker 17: Oh, it's absolutely appalling, and that's very much happening in
• 27:12
  Speaker 17: Victorian schools as well, not to mention university campuses, but
• 27:16
  Speaker 17: there's been some really alarming examples along the same lines.
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: And you know, at the same time we've got the
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: Green saying in New South.
• 27:24
  Speaker 17: Wales that they should be allowed to have teachers where
• 27:26
  Speaker 17: the kafir and have Pastinian flags on campus.
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: You know, more so now than ever, we need to
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: protect kids and protect teachers.
• 27:35
  Speaker 17: Protect parents who are going on to school campuses, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 17: ensure that as much as possible they're political free zones
• 27:42
  Speaker 17: and definitely free from that kind of anti semitism.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and talking about the Greens, of course, the Green
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: senator Marine Feruki has been stuck onto a Senate committee
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: where they're actually looking at anti semitism. And this is
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: from a sator a senator now be sitting on this
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: committee who just a number of weeks ago she refused
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to say that Hammas should be disbanded.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 28:05
  Speaker 18: The Palestinians need to decide where they want to go
• 28:08
  Speaker 18: with their own region, not intervention from Western country.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So if they choose Hamas, that's okay, David, that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: Is such what can I say, like we're.
• 28:19
  Speaker 18: Creating this hypothetical scenario of what Palestinians if and when
• 28:24
  Speaker 18: they get self determination, Well it's not. Rather than actually
• 28:29
  Speaker 18: questioning the labor government hard on why they aren't stopping.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: This slaughter, sure you're able to say, well, you'd like
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: to see them gone, and it's.
• 28:38
  Speaker 18: Not up to me to say who should be gone
• 28:40
  Speaker 18: or not. It's up to me to say that the
• 28:44
  Speaker 18: forty thousand people that are being that have been killed.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And that the slaughter is going on.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Stephen a senator in our own National Parliament who once
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: say we need to get rid of Hamas, Look.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: It's extraordinary when you actually listen to it out loud
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: and to talk about hypotheticals. Hamas are running Palestine at
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: the moment, or at least in the Gaza strip, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: they were elected by the Palestinian people when they first
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: came to power, so there's no hypothetical involved here. But look,
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: all of this comes back, Chris to a lack of leadership,
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: firstly from the Prime Minister, who has been less than
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: equivocal on his position on this. Now he needed to
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: come out very early after October seven and side with
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: Israel because they are our ally in the region. Now
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: because of pressures from the left wing of the Labor Party.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: He was unable to do that. But then of course
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: you've got the Greens who have been absolutely rabid on this.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: The only leadership Adam Banter is showing is the wrong
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: kind of leadership, and that is what is stemming to
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: all of this stuff. So I mean, and it's going
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: right through the Australian community at the moment, and that's
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: why we're seeing these kids behave at schools the way
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: they do the university campuses. There was no leadership whatsoever
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: from the university administrations. In fact, they panned to these
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: anti Semitic encampments and to this day are still pandering
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: to them with investment portfolios and all of these kind
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: of things. Somebody needs to stand up and actually run
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: the show here, and that's got to come back to
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: the Prime Minister.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with everything you said, Stephen, Although I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: would say we support Israel, it's not just because they're
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: our ally in the region.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Because they're the only democracy in the region, the only.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Where place where the rule of law applies and where
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: liberal democracy flourishes and everybody has rights, and because they
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: were the victim of the most vile atrocity inflicted a
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: pond Jus since the Holocaust, and because the Hmas in
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Gaza are still holding over one hundred hostages, many of
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: whom we fear are dead.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It's just shocking stuff.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: They're fighting for their very survival against Hamas, Hezbala, the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Hutis and Iran, and obviously we have to stand by
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: them in these trying times.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It was a staggering to see this question.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Come up on the ABC's Q and A last night.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I'll show you the question first, then we'll discuss it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 19: My children, now almost thirty and thirty four, went to
• 31:03
  Speaker 19: the local state public school and were dictated to that
• 31:07
  Speaker 19: multi culturalism is a great thing.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I don't believe it is, as.
• 31:11
  Speaker 19: I feel that the culture of the original British slash
• 31:14
  Speaker 19: Irish majority has been demonized constantly for the last three decades,
• 31:19
  Speaker 19: casing point frequent vandalism of memorials to Captain Cook.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: How does this?
• 31:25
  Speaker 19: How does democracy fit into this atmosphere? Beat up the
• 31:28
  Speaker 19: white guy?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, Susie.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It seems like there was a surprising question to hear
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: from a Q and A audience that one slipped through
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: on them. But they are all aghast, and there was
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff online long line saying that's a
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: racist question.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Of course it's not.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: You can be opposed to multiculturalism. We know a lot
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: of people say they support a multi ethnic community, but
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: we all should try and unite around one culture.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: That's a view.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: You don't have to agree with it, but it's perfectly
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: okay to have that discussion in a public forum.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: SUSI.
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: And it's not personally my view. But she's not inciting hatred.
• 32:04
  Speaker 17: She's not saying death to brown people who ray the
• 32:09
  Speaker 17: white people.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: You know, let's go out and inflict violence.
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: I mean, she's just reflecting a very conservative point of view,
• 32:17
  Speaker 17: but a legitimate one, nonetheless. And it's one that there
• 32:20
  Speaker 17: are people who are doing analysis of the kind of
• 32:23
  Speaker 17: teachings of in a lot of curriculums in schools that
• 32:27
  Speaker 17: have a very strong kind of colonial, anti colonial kind
• 32:31
  Speaker 17: of bias, and people particularly of her generation are saying, well,
• 32:36
  Speaker 17: we actually.
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: Weren't taught this, and we don't see that the world is.
• 32:42
  Speaker 17: Bad because of this colonial past, and they don't want
• 32:45
  Speaker 17: to see the bashing of the white guy, the dismantling
• 32:47
  Speaker 17: of all the statues and so on. Now, I don't
• 32:50
  Speaker 17: necessarily agree with that point of view, but I think
• 32:53
  Speaker 17: she's got every right to express it without being called racist.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And there's exactly the sort of open discussion to
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: see more of on the ABC, not everybody agreeing with
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: each other. Just before we let you go, Steve, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on Anthony Albernizi, who
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: was the first serving prime minister to march with the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: game lesbian Marti Gras in Sydney. Now there are calls
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: for him to be banned next year because the decision
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: has been taken at the next census not to ask
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: us about our sexual preference. I mean, I don't know
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: why we need to be telling everybody what we get
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: up to in the bedroom anyway, but apparently that wanted
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that on the census.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Well that's right. I mean there's a couple of things here,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you know, for a group of people that have.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: Fought so hard for so many years to be accepted
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: as equals and as a part of the community, I
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: don't know why they want to be separated in those manners,
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: And I don't know what it actually tells us if
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: we actually do include these things and the senses anyway.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: But look, I mean, at the end of the day,
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: I think it's a strange move, particularly from a Labor government,
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: to withdraw these things from the census, when the reality
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: is it would have cost nothing to actually leave it
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: in there. But yeah, look, I don't particularly see it
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: as a particularly ownerous thing.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's good to give elboy the night off
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: and you can spend that night perhaps walking around the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: street save Alla Springs or something, getting some intel on
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: some real problems around the country.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Susi and Stephen will catch
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you next week. We've got to get to a break.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: On the other side, We're going to check in on
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the reckless renewables roll out dividing regional communities and also
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: cross to Christen Tate in the US to look at
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: how Kamala Harris is ducking scrutiny.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the way.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Labour's renewables push, a reckless new renewables call push a
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: lot of people are calling it now, and how it's
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: hurting communities right across the country. The New South Wales
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Nationals have taken a stand calling for a moratorium on
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: projects and what they call a full stock take of
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the potential damage to regional areas. New South Wales Nationals
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: leader Doo Good Saunders joins me in Our Lives from
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Sydney Good to talk to you, Doo Good, tell us
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: what's going on here, because I know in the regional
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: areas there are winners. People we have wind turbines on
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: their property and get annual lease payments and the like.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: They love this, but others just miss out.
• 35:09
  Speaker 16: Look.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: In pretty simple terms, what I've asked for this afternoon
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: is just a stock take where every piece of infrastructure,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: every project that is in the planning system could be
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: actually assessed properly and we see where, for example, the
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: first renewable energy zone, the Central Western Irana RES, which
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: is where my electorit is, is actually up to because
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: I can tell you it is completely over blind as
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: to what the original plan was. The original plan had
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: three gigawatts of power coming out of that res. It's
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: now aspirationally gone to double that with at least four
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: and a half gigs and probably more like six. And
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: in the planning system at the moment Chris over twelve
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: gigawatts of power, so more than four times the original plan.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Is what we're facing in that central Western Rana Res
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: and the cumulative impact of that across the community is devastating.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: People are feeling completely under pressure. So stock take is
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: the best thing to do to give people a bit
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: of clarity about the future.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Tell us about the main concerns, because as I mentioned,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: obviously there are benefits and there's been jobs and people
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: at least going to the regions temporarily to build these
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: wind farms and solar farms and the like. But it
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: is the destruction of the natural environment that is the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: well you know, or the visual amenity of the areas
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that's the biggest concern.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a bit of everything, to be honest.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: And if you look at it from a farming perspective,
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: obviously it's utilizing agricultural land in many cases. If you
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: look at it from a community perspective and and a
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: council perspective, it's putting more pressure on a range of
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: assets like water, sewer waste, which simply some councils don't
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: have capacity to upgrade without significant help from the government,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: which at this point in time is not there and
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: it's not being promised. So you know, you've got towns
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: like Mudgey and Golgon, which are right in the heart
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: of this renewable energy zone with plans for another two
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: and a half to fourth people over the next five years.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: There's just not capacity to house those people. There's not
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: capacity to deal with the waste, the water, the sewer,
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: you name it. There's a big problem brewing here that
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: government at the moment, for whatever reason, is not actually
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: taking notice of. And the performer Federal Energy Infrastructure Commissioner
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Andrew Dyer was pretty clear in his report in February,
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: which was do not continue an ad hoc roll out
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: of renewables plan properly. And maybe you know where they
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: can or can't be.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: You were part of a coalition government in New South
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Wales not five minutes ago that was full on for
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: this renewable build out under Matt Kean, the energy Minister
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: who's now the renewable Zar for the federal government.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Where are you now?
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Do you join with the federal coalition in supporting nuclear
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: because that will get rid of the need for so
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: much of the transmission and a lot of that extra
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: renewable build out.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Look, but the point about the transition to renewables is
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: it managed well, It can work and look I've looked
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: at other parts of the world.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I visited other parts. Let me just jump in there, Google,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Let me just jump in there, Google.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Do you believe that Australia can function on a renewables
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: plus storage electricity grid?
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: No?
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Not only that, no, I don't.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: I think you need a mix of power and part
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: of the mix would be renewables. I think it's already
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: going to be part of the mix.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: It should part of the mix be nuclear.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Well, look, we're leaving that to the federal government to
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: deal with our federal coalition colleagues about but I think
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: we'll hear more about that as we head towards a
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: federal election when a date is actually named.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But it's pretty clear that the federal Nationals and Liberals
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: support in nuclear power. Surely the state coalition in New
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: South Wales will support it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Note we think everything should be on the table. As
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: simple as that. Everything should be on the table, from gas, nuclear, renewables,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: storage capacity, whatever there is to get cheap, reliable powercase
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: you need everything in the mix. So yes, that has
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: to include nuclear. It should include gas. It needs to
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: include coal for as long as it can, because without
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: it you don't get a proper mix, and you don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: get the benefits of everything. Great, what it is thought
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: regional areas need to be the beneficiaries, not just the
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: by diversity offsets for city areas.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, said Diggle, thanks for joining us. Doggod.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Saunda's the Nationals leader in state politics in New South Wales.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I want to go to America now and the US.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Much of the world is still fascinated by Kamala Harris.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: She's getting all sorts of price from the political left
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: for her stage managed events, but has she done any
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: press conference, has yet even in an interview or heaven
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: forbid a debate.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I checked in with Kristen Tit.
• 39:37
  Speaker 16: Nope, this is a woman who stays away from the press,
• 39:40
  Speaker 16: does not want to go off script. She's very carefully
• 39:44
  Speaker 16: packaged by her team, and I can't blame them. I mean,
• 39:47
  Speaker 16: when you let her loose, she goes off on these
• 39:49
  Speaker 16: incoherent tangents. She just spouts out these words salads and
• 39:54
  Speaker 16: does not know when to stop speaking. And she's not
• 39:56
  Speaker 16: very likable, so it's better for them to kind of
• 39:59
  Speaker 16: keep her behind the curtain and build up this persona
• 40:03
  Speaker 16: around her via these media outlets and just let the
• 40:07
  Speaker 16: public see her in very carefully crafted situations like the DNC.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extraordinary thing to watch. We've seen some
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of her wood sellings in the past. But surely she
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: can't dodge this debate on September the tenth, it's supposedly
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: locked in. Now Donald Trump wants exactly the same rules
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: as occurred with Joe Biden.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Have a look at what he's got to say.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Asked Biden how it worked out.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: It was fine, And I think it should be the same.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: We agree to the same rules, same rules, and same specifications,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and I think that's probably what it should be.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: But they're trying to change it. The truth is they're
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: trying to get out of it because she doesn't want
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: a debate.
• 40:47
  Speaker 14: She's not a good debater, she's not a smart person.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want a debate.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the same rules seems fair, Kristen, But apparently Kamala
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Harris's team of saying that they don't want the microphones
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: shut off when the other person's not speaking.
• 41:04
  Speaker 16: Yes, not only that, they want a seated debate and
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: opening statements, and they want notes. They want to be
• 41:10
  Speaker 16: able to have notes. I reckon Trump is correct and
• 41:12
  Speaker 16: they're trying to get out of this. Why wouldn't they
• 41:15
  Speaker 16: try to get out of this? Chris, It's all downside
• 41:18
  Speaker 16: for team Kamala Harris. I mean, everything's going great for
• 41:21
  Speaker 16: her right now, and you risk people remembering why nobody
• 41:24
  Speaker 16: liked her.
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: In twenty twenty.
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: And also, what this speaks to is the lack of
• 41:30
  Speaker 16: confidence that Kamala Harris's team has in their candidate. They
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: don't trust her to be in a debate with no notes,
• 41:37
  Speaker 16: and they don't trust her to even memorize lines written
• 41:41
  Speaker 16: for her by her handlers. It's quite pathetic, but that's
• 41:43
  Speaker 16: exactly what's going on now.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Kristin, I told Out of You as early last week
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: that there was a lot of speculation that the independent candidate,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the former Democrat, the member of the Democrat Royal Family
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: if you like a Kendidy Robert F.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Kennedy Jr. That he was likely to pull out of
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the Rice and endul Donald Trump. He did that lighter
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: in the week.
• 42:03
  Speaker 20: Have a look to throw my support at President Trump.
• 42:07
  Speaker 20: The causes were free speech, war in Ukraine and the
• 42:13
  Speaker 20: war on our children.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Now what does this mean for Donald Trump? Christen?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Does he pick up what an extra five percent, diviting
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: population because of this endorsement, or does it not make
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: too much difference at all.
• 42:29
  Speaker 16: I can't overstate how important this is, Chris. People supporting
• 42:33
  Speaker 16: RFK Junior, these aren't people who like the establishment. They
• 42:37
  Speaker 16: are far more likely to just hold their nose and
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: vote for Donald Trump, even if they might not like
• 42:42
  Speaker 16: his personality, than to support the Democrat machine, which at
• 42:46
  Speaker 16: this point represents crony capitalism, big business interests, and entrenched bureaucrats.
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: We have seen moments in history where you've seen a
• 42:55
  Speaker 16: shift in political parties. Right now we are living through
• 42:58
  Speaker 16: one of those. And you're seeing old school Democrats, hippies
• 43:01
  Speaker 16: from the sixties and seventies who may end up voting
• 43:04
  Speaker 16: for Trump because they liked RFKJ, but now he's dropping
• 43:08
  Speaker 16: out and they don't really have a political home, but
• 43:10
  Speaker 16: they identify more with Trump than with the Democrat machine.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating analysis.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: We'll keep a close eye on polling in the next
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks to see how that plays out. I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: want to show you something from an Australian politician.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: You won't have seen it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It happened on our public broadcaster or a publicly funded
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: leftist media outfit last night that it's a typical analysis
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: you get by the political left around the world about
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: their fears about a Donald Trump presidency and what would
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: happen at a second Donald Trump presidency, what it would
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: do in global affairs.
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: Have a look.
• 43:43
  Speaker 21: I do regard Trump, particularly what Trump's foreign policy would
• 43:49
  Speaker 21: look like, frankly, as a real danger to the West.
• 43:55
  Speaker 21: I mean, he, in my view, would on day one
• 43:57
  Speaker 21: throw Zelenski under a bus, would send a signal to
• 44:01
  Speaker 21: Putin that Putin can get away with what he liked
• 44:04
  Speaker 21: and who I mean, does anybody seriously think that if
• 44:08
  Speaker 21: received that signal he wouldn't chance his hand is somewhere
• 44:13
  Speaker 21: like in the Baltic States. And if that were to happen,
• 44:16
  Speaker 21: does anybody believe that Trump would defend the Baltic States?
• 44:22
  Speaker 21: Of course he wouldn't.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Now this plug was on the conservative side of politics
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: in Australia, Christian he was the Attorney General. He then
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: went on to be effectively our ambassador in London. But
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think he could be more wrong. Doesn't history
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: prove him absolutely wrong?
• 44:39
  Speaker 16: Of course it does. And what we've learned is that
• 44:41
  Speaker 16: Trumps arrangement syndrome is extremely contigious and people who are
• 44:47
  Speaker 16: entrenched in politics on both the left and the right
• 44:50
  Speaker 16: don't like Trump because he represents a threat to the
• 44:54
  Speaker 16: system two global interests. When you're talking about entrenchment and bureaucrats.
• 45:00
  Speaker 16: If you want to talk about foreign affairs and Donald Trump,
• 45:02
  Speaker 16: he's the only US president who in recent political history
• 45:06
  Speaker 16: who hasn't gotten us into any more wars. We should
• 45:09
  Speaker 16: be celebrating Trump's foreign policy achievements. So yeah, I mean,
• 45:15
  Speaker 16: of course the sky is all wrong.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course when Obama was president, Putin took Crimea,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: and was when Joe Biden was president, he tried to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: take all of Ukraine. So history shows, as you say,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: that Putin stayed in his box while Donald Trump was president.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Kristin. Catch you next week.
• 45:34
  Speaker 16: Thank you very much, Chris.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets it right, doesn't she? Here, Kristin, Now,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: don't go away. After the break on the catch up
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: with Sophiel's with Talk Media, the ABC looking for a
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: new boss as its ratings continue to slide, and another
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: embarrassment for seven Media with a sexy Santa stunt. Let's
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: catch up with all the latest in the Median news
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: with Sophiel's with the media writer for The Australian.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Sophie.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I just want to ask you first up about ABC
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Radio ratings. I'll get you your tip for who's going
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: to take over the managing director's position in a moment.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: The first up you've reported today that they're taking in
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the ratings still, especially on radio.
• 46:20
  Speaker 14: That's right, Chris.
• 46:21
  Speaker 22: The fifth radio ratings survey was out today and Radio
• 46:25
  Speaker 22: National their flagship political you know, a lot of their
• 46:29
  Speaker 22: flagship political shows are on that station, including Patricia Carvelis's
• 46:34
  Speaker 22: breakfast program are in free for Chris. She's lost tens
• 46:38
  Speaker 22: of thousands of listeners across the country, particularly in Sydney
• 46:42
  Speaker 22: and Melbourne in the last twelve months, twenty odd thousand
• 46:47
  Speaker 22: in Sydney and another thirty odd thousand in Melbourne. So
• 46:51
  Speaker 22: this has been bad for Radio National and comes just
• 46:55
  Speaker 22: you know, after those recent comments by Managing director, sorry
• 46:58
  Speaker 22: chair Kim william who is critical of Radio National and
• 47:02
  Speaker 22: some of the radio networks to say that they're not
• 47:05
  Speaker 22: focusing hard enough on international news. There's too much fluff
• 47:09
  Speaker 22: and lifestyle.
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: So this is not good news for the ABC Radio today.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just too much endless green left politics,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: green left, green left. I mean, I like listening to
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: it because I get to hear what the green left
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: for banging on about. But if you're just ordinary listener,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: you want to get a bit of all perspectives on it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Us. Patricia carvellis is have they on there?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Is?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: You're taking days off left, right and center to do
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Q and A and whatever. But they've got to sort
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that out. Who do you reckon?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Is going to take over from David Anderson over the
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: underwhelming and departing managing director.
• 47:44
  Speaker 14: Well, Chris. There's been a few names banded around.
• 47:47
  Speaker 22: There's the news director, Justin Stevens, the CFO currently at
• 47:51
  Speaker 22: the ABC, Melanie Klein. Her name's being bandied around. Also,
• 47:56
  Speaker 22: Chris Oliver Taylor, the chief content officer. Now, look, who
• 48:00
  Speaker 22: knows Mike Sneezeby may leave Channel nine? Will he be
• 48:03
  Speaker 22: in the running for it? That's another possibility. We've got
• 48:06
  Speaker 22: Foxtel executive Amanda Lang, She's leaving Foxtail next month.
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: Her name's being thrown up.
• 48:13
  Speaker 22: Look, there's a lot of speculation by who may be,
• 48:16
  Speaker 22: But it'll be interesting, Chris, if they stick to what
• 48:19
  Speaker 22: they know and hire someone for that role internally, or
• 48:22
  Speaker 22: perhaps Chris, get someone left field out of.
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: The ABC that can perhaps shake things up a bit.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, they've got to get someone outside. They can't go
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: for another ABC life. In my view, that's the part
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: of the problem. Now, just briefly, I can't believe this
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: story about seven West Media in Perth. After all the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: hassles seven have had with all sorts of dramas in personnel,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: and they have sexy satars turn up a long way
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: from Christmas.
• 48:52
  Speaker 14: That's right, Chris.
• 48:53
  Speaker 22: Look, they were talking to staff about an upcoming pageant
• 48:57
  Speaker 22: for Channel seven and they had these women roll out
• 49:00
  Speaker 22: in pretty sexy Santa outfits.
• 49:02
  Speaker 14: Look, Chris, there's no time for this. It appears in
• 49:05
  Speaker 14: the media now Channel seven and at nine are at war.
• 49:08
  Speaker 22: This was a chance for Channel nine to get back
• 49:10
  Speaker 22: with this story at seven after there's been a lot
• 49:14
  Speaker 22: of reporting on the problems at nine sexual harassment and
• 49:18
  Speaker 22: so forth. So I think things have changed drastically, and
• 49:22
  Speaker 22: there's quite a few people who thought this set the
• 49:24
  Speaker 22: wrong tone.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, leave the fancy dress ups for Dancing with the stars,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: saying thanks again, Sophie, all over as usual, just very quickly,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: some of your feedback from last night what we heard
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: from Gina Reinhart. Jeff says Gina Reinhart is a true
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Australian if only we can have her as our Prime minister.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And also another viewer says, thank you Gina Reinhart for
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: saying what most of us are thinking.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured most people will agree with what she
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: had to say. Thanks for joining me. He's Peter Quedlin