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[SPEAKER_01]: what's happening everybody welcome into another edition of the mac and read show right here on second city grid iron for all your bears new subscribe to the youtube channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm having Mac at the real Evan Mac and joined as always by my co-host with the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... that's all about superman who i i got to see that on sunday was very good i was about to say we got a lot to get to we've been off for some time on the show uh... we are talking bears throughout the show of course uh... as the main point of our hit fair program back and read here on second city grid on and uh... yet in the show talked about that that new clips of album in the summer blockbusters coming out of what a heat july and august along with the heat in chicago land but of course to begin and dive into it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Camp almost underway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're a couple of weeks away here to be precise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Been off for some time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the bears since the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've gotten to see how some vet spend their off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a lot of giving back, which is cool to see as, you know, videos of cult and lovelin doing some charity work in Darnell Wright, which is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams, of course, you know, going to France, going wherever he wants to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Living his best life and people should stop hating on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just let him be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let the man live the young man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Ryan Polls got his extension was one of the bigger headlines we got out of this, you know, July news cycle for the bears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So keeping him and Ben Johnson tied before we get into the roster battles and and everything going into training camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I guess the question is did the timing seem right and did it make sense to extend him to twenty twenty nine to keep him and Ben Johnson essentially tied at the hip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To be it makes sense, obviously there's just going to be there have been an hour a bunch of haters on Ryan polls, but this is probably the arguably the best team that he has put together on paper based on this offseason he's had and then just so many offensive weapons and then of course hitting a home run with Ben Johnson this offseason signing him to be the bears head coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Ross, would you think of the extension?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, number one to me, it was expected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought when you signed, or when you hired a guy like Ben Johnson, you give him a five-year deal, you've got a quarterback that you drafted first over all last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going into his second season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have a fifth year option most likely picked up unless there's something catastrophic that happens that doesn't come to that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you had to put the gentleman manager on the same timeline as those two guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wasn't really upset about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen,
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[SPEAKER_00]: For the people out there complaining about polls getting into the deal, having some trepidation about it, I completely understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the record is the record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy's only one fifteen football games in the years that he's been in Chicago right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not had a winning season yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on his second-hand coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it if you were to say, what's the rush it and getting there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, to me, I always push back and say, you know, you got a five-year extension, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Five years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: General managers, they can still get fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to me, this is a three year window with all three of these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most importantly, Ben Johnson and Ryan Poles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they do not get this thing pointed in the right direction consistently,
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[SPEAKER_00]: three years from now, I think they're both out anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully, obviously, we hope it doesn't get to that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel pretty good that it's not going to get to that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the floor for this team is around five hundred.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no five hundred right down football until they add that a team game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously, the ceiling is consistent playoff where it's potential Super Bowl contender itself like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, to me, you got to get this team above five hundred consistently
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[SPEAKER_00]: three years from now, you really want to get them above ten, eleven wins consistently three years from now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't see, I don't see the, I guess the rush to complain so much about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to put these guys on the same timeline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, just because he got a brand new deal, does not mean he's going to be here before five years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this game, think it's really, really bad, really ugly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially if the fans have anything to do with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like to right when when there've been as many proponents as there have been for Orion polls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many haters that we've, you know, encountered in and our shows in the past couple years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, you know, as VISA Joe pointed out, aligning the GM and head coaches a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're obviously very accountable for these next few years in this window of a championship caliber team, if Caleb Williams turns out to be an all pro quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if this line turns itself around at Ben Johnson as a genius and can really
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[SPEAKER_01]: take the bears to new heights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Allen revamping that defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of components that go into it, but obviously Ryan polls is the main.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mystro so to speak as far as the way he has been able to assemble this team and the coaching staff around him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot to like about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Ryan Poles has earned it, but like I said, Rossi is certainly it's it's do or die right now and this will will make a break his career for years to come.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that, you know, leads us right into just July and in a couple weeks away from training camp, this being one of the the bigger off seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course last season was
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[SPEAKER_01]: the season of hard knocks and and all the hype that came with that and seen ever flushes you know multimillion dollar mansion and seen Caleb Williams lifestyle and seen DJ more and seen all these guys in the potential they had with that number one overall pick and
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[SPEAKER_01]: just the the height behind the bears going into that season of last year which turned out very poorly as we know but we saw we saw some great moments from Caleb Williams we saw you know what pretty some very heartbreaking games and true bears fashion but this is a new
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[SPEAKER_01]: era again with Ben Johnson with Dennis Allen with this new coaching staff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's it's all new positional coaches, which is cool to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is what's important to look at in July right now when you're reporting to OTAs and rookie men in camp and everything going into train camp and eventually preseason games is seen how these players react to Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And company and I think that all these players agree that, you know, Johnson is no stranger to the talents of the NFL in his ten plus years over ten years, I should say in the league now that this team has some vets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the rookies are going to learn a lot from him as well both sides and you know Ben Johnson strikes me as a guy who's very disciplined and he's getting hard knows he's taking a note a note from Dan Campbell as far as the way he's trying to motivate guys which I like and trying to light a fire under their butts and get it going to to sort of you know the old clichés practice like you play or play like a practice rather so that all starts in this early stage and we're going to keep a close eye on
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[SPEAKER_01]: the likes of colston lovin and Luther Burton and Caleb Williams and year two and what to look for as they get their reps here so with the training camp you know do you have a headline you're looking at right now at the Caleb Williams we could start there and this jump into year two we saw pretty
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[SPEAKER_01]: successful year off all told I know that obviously at unison and bears fans and beyond saw struggles from Caleb Williams as far as intersections are holding on to the football turnovers was a big thing extending place for too long things like that mechanics working on his release time hold on to the ball too long was it was a big negative I think for him but now working behind that offensive one with these weapons it's got to get you excited
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[SPEAKER_00]: One hundred percent and you know, I think this circles back to the Ryan Polls conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ryan Polls learned from his mistakes early on as Joe the manager of the bearers and he really out went out there and he dresses office of wine and I think went from one of the weakest, you know, groups on the rosters and now one of the strengths, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets Joe Tuney and Drew Dom and Jonah Jackson and he goes out there and he drafts
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, Aussie Shapiro and Luke Newman and all of a sudden you've got some depth on that team and you've got some some really big mean nasty guys up front and some guys are going to be able to hold players around the accountable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you look at Joe Tuney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got four super boarders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played with patch my homes and Tom Brady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he steps into that locker room into that hotel on day one of training camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's his, to me it's his locker room, it's his hotel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Kail Williams would be the quarterback and in the
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[SPEAKER_00]: vocal voice out there, but Joe Tuni is probably the most important player on offense, maybe on this entire football team because of what he brings to the table and his experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just a different field and different mindset from what all the guys in this roster are used to, especially a lot of young guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, even a guy like Joe Tuni, I'm sorry, like Drew Domin,
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[SPEAKER_00]: who has been a very good center in this league for a long time now and love that's what they brought to the table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They brought in some experience and they brought in some really tough SLBs to this roster to be able to hold people accountable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's Ben Johnson's mindset and you know we don't we we've seen him from afar whether it was Detroit
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[SPEAKER_00]: whether it was in Miami, and then we've heard the stories about him, but I think what we don't see, I'm a surface level with him, is he is a really tough borderline maniac who expects, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: almost perfection and expects you to play with some fire and some passion and hold each other accountable and clean up the mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was the biggest takeaway coming out of training cap last year from the Bears and we heard about it in hindsight when ever flew and Shane Walsham required.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody was holding anybody accountable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And mistakes were happening, and the players knew in the moment, this doesn't look right, this doesn't feel right, but you know, people were kind of afraid to say things, and nobody stepped up, and you know, it became a messed rough season that led into, you know, historic fashion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears don't ever fire, you know, a hit coach, a little one, if they, they let go of every flu season, they let go of Waldron, and, you know, let those whole Thomas Brown fiasco situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that gets cleaned up a lot more this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got guys like Donnie, like Donnie excuse me, you got like guys like Jill Tweet that comes in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other side of it to me, I think this wire receiver core is sneaky fun and exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is the group that I'm going to pay attention to most is
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does he get the touches for all these guys?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are they going to be lined up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are the fun wrinkles that are going to be in this offense?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know about DJ Moore and Roman Doomsday already, but you can't forget about Devon Dubernays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to bring a lot of the table on special teams, but we're still going to get some snaps on offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even guys like Miles, both keep your boy getting and omitted as a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they sign from Washington last year, you get Luther Burden who's a second round pick, who's probably should have been a first round pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a steal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, man, how are you seeking to use all these guys?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to kind of spread them out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are these guys doing rotate in?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to line up in the back field?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I really love about Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't wait for him to see is he's got some fun toys to play with, specifically at the wire receiver position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they might not always line up their wire receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm really curious to see how he works with them and how Caleb wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get this guy's football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, echo everything you said, especially there's offensive line turnaround and Joe Tuney bringing that real vet experience and, you know, the way that he was able to come to the Bears after such a story career with the Chiefs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a completely different winning mindset and you need that in Ben Johnson also coming from there with great success with Detroit over the past few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll help for those, those, both the vets and the younger guys who are not used to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And man, I do have my eyes certainly on Roman doomsday and Luther burden and just the potential that those guys have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, talking about your success hinging on what Ryan pulls us put together here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It certainly hinges on those guys and how they build that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know what DJ Morgan do regardless of any quarterback around him, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's going to be guarded by the best corners in the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you got to get creative to create opportunities for those other guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then post a lovely Nicole Comet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it should be real interesting to see throughout these weeks coming into training camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how Caleb does in seven on seven using these guys and then eleven on eleven is going to be real fun to and then you know on the flip side with then a sale and there's been quite a bit of change over in the secondary and then the lineback in core you know pretty set there uh... but the edge who's going to step up uh... you know with mantis what got the big ex on his back now and just looks like very questionable contract in my opinion with with the way he is
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[SPEAKER_01]: played this last season and you know dealing with injuries and all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's put up for a shut up time because it looks like the weakest you know spoiler alert for what we'll talk about shortly to perhaps the weakest position on the spares roster going into camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other question to I feel like it's it's been a lot of people's minds don't they don't mind mind it's the overwhelming opinion is that this running back room is pretty flawed with the Andre Swift at the helm here and kind of Kyle Mnonga and
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[SPEAKER_01]: and Rochon Johnson backing him up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't hate it as much as some people because I remember the positive games that the Andre Swift had when he was healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was quite a weapon again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: just in passing as well as running and when you have this huge turnaround on the offensive line, I think that that should take it certainly set the tone for this offense and help balance the run versus the past game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to you, Ross is the running back room as bad as it is going to entertain campus people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have some concerns about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think as much as everybody talks about the Andre Swift, I think the key to the running back room is Rochon Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would feel much better about the running back situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he can consistently be the guy that turns out those tough yards and kind of keeps the his legs moving and keeps the ball moving forward for three point five four yards of carry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I feel good about that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then all of a sudden, I feel much better about that running background because the G.A.R.R.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a, I think this is a buff average running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he certainly provides a lot of almost home run capability, not quite, maybe like solid double capability, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can kind of break some runs every now and then, twenty R or thirty R is there in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He certainly provides, you know, a decent amount in the passing game as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's guys limitations, but I think that's where you need a guy like Rosha Johnson to really come in there and be more of that grinded out guy, especially as the weather turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And remember, we still are in a cold weather city and in an open door stadium and have to go to Green Bay and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, things get a little bit different in November, December, January as it does in September, October.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Kalmanungai is the flavor of the month right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to put a lot of pressure on a seventh round rookie, not saying that he can't go out there and make an impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you want to ease them in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This offense is going to be very tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very intricate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to learn how to pick up schemes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to learn how to pick up blitzes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just a lot going on for a young man that's a several on pick to expect him to produce right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think Rochon Johnson is the key.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Diaz just will be fine with this offense, but if Rochon and Johnson can elevate his game, I feel much better throughout the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And listen, don't put it past Ryan Poles on the bear as to keep an eye on guys that potentially might be cut or guys that might be available for trade and they might add to this running back room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not necessarily married to your Travis Homer's of the world and your Ian Wheeler is also we can't always count for injury situations and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even going back to earlier point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: things also perfect opportunity to put, you know, OZ or maybe as the chaos and move the burden those guys are going to line up in the back view to I promise you that that's where Ben Johnson really uses this creativity to help you know with a with a blind spot that you might have on offense and kind of elevate everything as a whole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and again, the running game
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[SPEAKER_01]: hinges on this new look, offensive line, and just the interior is going to be just night and day different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that leads me also to sort of the situation of tackle with Braxton Jones, you know, Stolenerson and injury, Aussie Trepello.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He should be signed, you know, this summer, I think he's ready to represent in himself going into contract discussions with the bears, which is, you know, good for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, that left tackle spot is going to be very important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know what Darnell right can do on that right side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's seemingly a lock there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you talked about what the learning curve will be like for this offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny to and cool to see these, these offensive linemen going out and catching passes because you never know what the Ben Johns on is going to come up with and to see
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[SPEAKER_01]: don't know right running running out running a fade at you in addition to these guys you never know look out there's could be slick and just like a lion's offense but you know these Braxon Jones missing some some OT time to get healthy or anything or Luther burden for example any of these sort of like pre-zee you know training camp injuries cause any concern for your house
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not concerned about burden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not concerned about, you know, even Colson, Lovelin, who said today that the shoulders a hundred percent, and I imagine that they're going to ease him into contact and probably be in shells for the first couple weeks, and then, you know, puts pads on him and gradually ease him in, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Braxton Jones thing does concern me a little bit, just because the injury that he came off
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[SPEAKER_00]: is not ideal, obviously, for a guy of his size.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in the off season, if you remember, Ben Johnson said, we want him to gain more weight and be more sturdy out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there really concerns me a little bit when you want a guy to put on more weight, but he's also recovering from an injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he has to get himself in condition shape to be out to go out there and be a starting love tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that worries me a little bit for a guy that already is at best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the fifteen to the twenty of the best tackle left tackle in the NFL is not terrible, but obviously he's not he's not great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think he's going to get first crack at this as they ease a rookie in with Ozzy, but it would not be shock me at some point either late and camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, early in the season, or even by midseason latest, Aussie, you know, Chupil is your starting love tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be better if you can ease that young man in as a rookie and have him be your swing tackle, especially with that we know that both Braxton Jones and Darna Wright have had a history of injuries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you gotta put your best five guys out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think most important to me, you do want some continuity with this group sooner than the later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm rooting for Rask because I do think that he can benefit his game, will be elevated by having
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[SPEAKER_00]: Domin, Tony, Jackson, right next to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's only going to elevate him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are four quality starters going to the right of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, if he can't get healthy or if he can't kind of show out, you know, that that he's, if he shows that he's declaring, we point a bit of offense of why, and then you have to look in those directions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can not have a season like you had last year, or kill, we don't just kind of ask kicked the entire season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and even to put on that point, we saw Caleb recently,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw a picture of him in shorts.
21:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked a lot sturdier himself.
21:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked like he put on some weight, especially in his lower body.
21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure he went out on this off scene and said, I can't take it with me like a belastia.
21:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to last in this week, ten to fifteen years.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: If that ever happens again.
21:48
[SPEAKER_01]: hit that weight room like Jalen hurts my friend.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll hope that we're doing a stronger quarterback.
21:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm seeing him and say, Juan could go toe to toe together.
21:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like say quads.
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Very impressive.
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And as he took it again, yeah, that that just really speaks to the importance of as he took it and drafting him and we know the size he has and based on what.
22:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, scouts and commentators and journalists have talked about seeing no tears and rookie mini camp.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks good with footwork and his own sturdyness and his ability to move is going to be important if Braxton Jones is in cut net or
22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: God forbid, it's getting injured.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to slide to appeal it in right away.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and listen, as he's in a tough spot right now, he's one of these second round picks who, you know, there's an issue right now in the NFL that is kind of starting to get talked about, but not really talked about enough of my pain, but you got two guys at the top of the second round who signed guaranteed contracts and then the rest of the second round picks are like,
22:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey bro like okay cool now we want the same thing and and and we're not going to settle for anything less and that all of a sudden that the alcohol has like has a real issue on their hands here in my opinion I I side with the players and I side with players ninety percent of the time
23:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Second round picks should have guaranteed deals.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think those two guys have the top that set the precedent on glad they got it.
23:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the wrestling should have it as well.
23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But the bears have three suck around picks in this draft that should contribute early on.
23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to get these guys on the field.
23:18
[SPEAKER_00]: A.S.A.P.
23:20
[SPEAKER_00]: with the brand new head coach with brand new systems on both sides of the open.
23:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that this gets done sooner or later not only for the bears obviously for for selfish reasons but just leave why because it's not a good look to have I think it's thirty of the thirty three picks or whatever it is thirty one of the picks right now not signed because of those two guys top
23:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, they got that, that tree.
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not even going to talk about the, the Schmars tourists situation, but with Cincinnati, that's a whole crazy.
23:49
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole cluster, you know, what a situation there.
23:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, can these guys sign?
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you, signing, deciding with the players.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of with your pillow and his negotiation right now.
24:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly in the same situation, like you talked about with these other second rounders.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: When the bears have three, three guys wrapped in the second round.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, that's Cincinnati situations.
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: is quite crazy, you know, we didn't talk about the defense a lot, and it's going to be good for them to practice against this Ben Johnson squad to sort of cut their teeth and prepare for, again, the lines, even without Ben Johnson, we know that they have a lot of firepower.
24:26
[SPEAKER_01]: They're playing a lot of top tier offenses and Baltimore, they're playing the whole, they have seen North with the bangles as well, so there's
24:36
[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be some tough, as Ben Johnson said in a recent press conference, there's going to be some growing pains.
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to immediately be good right away, right?
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Because these things take time, especially when you insert a decent amount of rookies and there's that change over on the offensive line.
24:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot of talent for sure.
24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But what then is Allen has on his hands.
24:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly, that second area I've preached about it repeatedly
25:03
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the best in the NFC North right now, if not the best, and they really should help out the front seven.
25:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a question of where and how he's going to get creative with blitz packages.
25:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know he's been able to have some success in the league before doing this, but get pressure on these quarterbacks.
25:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So we get the ball back in Caleb Williams's hand.
25:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So to speak.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I already talked about sweat, but outside of that,
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who are you thinking might emerge and make some noise in training camp here, rookies or otherwise?
25:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you had done that earlier.
25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: That defensive line is specifically the defensive ends.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: There are probably what warriors me the most on this roster is, you know, they have to have an ability to generate a pass rush.
25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was something that they've really struggled with last year.
25:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You, I mean, listen, we all love Montes wet.
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I still like the Montes wet trade.
25:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I would do what again.
25:55
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears have the opportunity to put
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year he had a little bit of a down year and last year he was beaten up a little bit and last year he saw double teams because the bears didn't really have much opposite of him to also generate a pass rush, but I also put a little bit of an onus on him.
26:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping that he balances back this year and he has more of a productive season.
26:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, you go out there, you sign a guy like Dale from the cold, so you give him three years, forty eight million dollars.
26:21
[SPEAKER_00]: You also expect him to go out there and produce and help Montes wet and kind of take a little bit of the pressure off of him.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, I think the strength of this deep as a line is in the interior and the past rush that they're going to be able to generate from inside.
26:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Gorbondex or senior was a bright spot to me.
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a line last year.
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You go out there, you train it for a greedy Jared.
26:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So to pair next to him, another interior past washer, but who can also play on the outside, too, because remember that it's out and I see his bigger defensive ends.
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can either rotate him outside, say something wish him all turner, another one of your draft picks that you need to get in the camp.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you also got your big plug and Andrew Billings, who's going to come back off the injury.
27:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember the run defense took a nose dive last year.
27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: when he was out for the season.
27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So I liked that central group of guys and being able to kind of mix them around and rotate and try and generate a pass rush.
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We got some potential NASCAR pass rush guys behind them.
27:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You're under the level under the radar guys.
27:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You're awesome bookers, you know, Daniel Hardy's Dominic Robinson, right?
27:28
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are going to get some snaps out there and in must pass situations, starting long things like that, but your core group is going to be sweat, doxter, Brady Jared,
27:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Billingsley and Turner and it's going to be interesting to see how those guys rotate around and it's going to be interesting to see like the snap counts and how Dennis Allen plays around there who's going to be able to feel you know mostly predominantly throughout his games and who's going to be your closers most importantly to this game like I definitely see sweat Dexter's senior Grady Jared and and and and Dio partner Pete Bean was guys with a little mix of Turner and Billingsley
28:09
[SPEAKER_01]: if it's what stays healthy, then there's no excuse for a down year, right?
28:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be very, very telling for the bears and what to do with them.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it didn't even mention Zach Peckens because he might be on the chopping block.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, thinking just a couple years into league, making this roster at this point when you thought he might be a good rotational interior.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Defense of linemen with Garvond Dexter, but Dexter, we know what an athlete is and Billings and Jared, and how you figure out that rotation like you said, Ross,
28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, help hopefully create some opportunities for dayo and Montez sweat rush in the quarterback.
28:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, HIPAA light looks like he slides right into that at new weekside line or excuse me, strong side run linebacker spot and, you know, with the departure of Jack Sandborn and already talked about brisker and Johnson and inspired and Tiger Stevenson and Kyla Gordon, you know, in some rotation in the backfield and it's
29:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like it could be quite a bounce back because they yielded a lot of points last year.
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have it in front of me where they were, but I think as much as you can blame it on an entire team, a lot of these games were in hand and then the defense just fell apart.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You pointed to Andrew Billings injury.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So Dennis Allen starts with a cleaner slate with these guys.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, going back to the Ben Johnson and practicing against him can only sharpen these guys to skills.
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm pumped to see, you know, two weeks away at this point, you know, family fest right around the corner and all that.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's going to get right into it.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: The vets are are gearing up and I am very
29:44
[SPEAKER_01]: excited to see what Caleb Williams brings to the table as as the leader of this team, too, and with a, you know, all pro, you know, couple guys in front of him now and then hopefully building some serious camaraderie and getting into the playbook of Ben Johnson to see some of the gadget plays he has and and and break it into that and then
30:05
[SPEAKER_01]: seeing these positional battles to see if they're more solidified.
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully we're wrong.
30:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we see some good lead back in the Andre Swift.
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully we see onto sweat returning to form.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this is where you go from ninety guys to fifty three real quick in the next month and change.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's your, you know, more or less your squad decides the practice squad players you retain and pick from as they prep for this twenty twenty five season.
30:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean a couple things for me.
30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you had it on the head for me with a camaraderie part of things, right?
30:36
[SPEAKER_00]: This various teams just did not look like they had fun.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, even before that, that ever foods were just, it wasn't a fun group.
30:44
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't looked like they had fun.
30:46
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't look like they were even fighting for each other on the football field.
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that changed, I think that those are complete one-eighty underben Johnson.
30:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And again,
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he got spent a lot of time with Dan Campbell and both Detroit and Miami.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the the the biggest thing that Dan Campbell brought to the table, especially in Detroit is he brought to the table a a a a camaraderie.
31:10
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go out there, we're going to have some fun, kick some butt on the football field, we're going to fight for the person that's next to us.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And just brought a real fire to that team, Detroit, when they were down in the dumps for however long, and it was a huge culture change in that organization that still lasts to this day.
31:29
[SPEAKER_00]: the favorite, not only the NFC North, but one of the favorites in the NFC, it goes super well, because of the culture that Dan Campbell built.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ben Johnson is going to bring a lot of that to Chicago, hopefully, in this very situation.
31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Caleb Williams is the right guy to also do that.
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a guy who genuinely
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes out there.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves his teammates.
31:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He supports his teammates out in public, in private.
31:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a good teammate.
31:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, just touching on the Caleb Williams part, do not underestimate what a guy like Kase Keenan brings to the table in that locker room.
32:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is a better quarterback that has been around the league for a very long time.
32:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was something that was missing last year in the locker room for Caleb Williams.
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Tyson Bayesian.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll do respect to him, but he's not what Kase Keenan brings every single day in the quarterback room.
32:23
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I don't want to play.
32:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to play, but I've been around long enough, and I know offences, and I know this game long enough to know, let me help you prep for this.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Show you this.
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That I'm going to show you how to be a professional quarterback in the NFL.
32:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's very, very important that the bear has brought that in this year for killer whims.
32:45
[SPEAKER_01]: our buddy builds Zimmerman just had Zach Pearson on his podcast from the bear report on second city grid iron and they discussed this, you know, sort of effective case kingdom and and also the fight for that sort of backup role, but the importance of kingdom and you know, Beijing if he goes in would mean earning that second spot would be, you know, great for him.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the case kingdom brings that ad veteran perspective.
33:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You feel like he's just going to slide right into coaching around the league after this.
33:12
[SPEAKER_01]: career after he hangs him up.
33:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, it's it's, you know, you talk about the Al Harris is an Eric B. Enemies and and Randall else and everybody in there too.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And those those guys are going to be fun to watch to hopefully hype up their positional, uh, the physicians that they are in charge of.
33:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, what you're saying, there's some guys, there's some guys in that locker room, there's some guys in that coaching staff and there's like,
33:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you, if you're a guy like Tyrik Stevenson, who he was now infamous around the NFL for the Hail Mary situation, and I think Tyrik Stevenson is a good football player, and I think he will bounce back this year, but it's like, you don't make those mistakes when Alheris is your position coach now, because Alheris looks like he might actually like
33:55
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I think those things make a difference when you're building out, you know, a football team that has not competed for anything in a long time.
34:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to change the culture in that locker room and it starts with this training camp.
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And listen, I'll say this, as much as George McCaskey does not like cursing on hard knocks and in his locker rooms and stuff like that.
34:18
[SPEAKER_00]: If you take your kids to a bear's practice and you're near the running back group, just ear muffled your kids when air Vietnamese is talking because he's going to drop a couple of bucks.
34:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to let you know either good or bad in a very infatic and excessive way.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And just in my explosive way.
34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And Ben Johnson might as well.
34:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And they probably deserve it.
34:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say.
34:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And just coming back to Caleb Williams, too.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You just got to, everybody's got to let him live his life.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm paraphrasing your recent tweet Ross, but you know, it's spoke to me and there's just a lot of just hatred towards Caleb Williams in the way he is living his life and hating on him, painting the nails and just making himself different than the rest of these, you know, iced out quarterbacks or just, you know, commercials and doing whatever they're doing and living their lives in the offices and if you're pat my homes and he ought or whatever, like,
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just silly and, you know, you could take that negative, take it to the summer else, not the young man live.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, man, if it makes him happy, then it makes me happy.
35:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Who am I to tell you how you should live your life or what you should do?
35:26
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a complete mess as to me.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: If everybody were the same, it would be a much boring world for having sex.
35:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You people have to elbow on Sunday, you have to elbow.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do you not have a heart in this world?
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are we doing?
35:37
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't hack Elmo, like that's what we've come to.
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, I completely agree.
35:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We have got to turn a turn a page here as a society and start being more kind and recognizing that people are individuals and they should be treated as such and they should be allowed to express themselves as such.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We forget about that human aspect.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We just think, you know, they're like the paid actors or something, you know, with the way they are treated in social media.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tough time for these, you know, twenty something year old's coming up different now, and even just ten years ago with the presence of that too.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is speaking of of human beings and individuals.
36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We got some sad news while we're recording right now.
36:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Harry time of what's from from ESPN of one thousand fan Mac, you're going to Harry.
36:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, has passed away at sixty four years old, so.
36:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome for us and his family.
36:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's everybody that worked with him, professionally.
36:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to intern.
36:36
[SPEAKER_00]: with that show when it was, when it was Carmen, Virco and Harry.
36:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And I could tell you he was nothing but a professional and the nicest man to me.
36:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was hilarious.
36:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an off the mic and those were experiences that I will never forget in my professional career.
36:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I know he was, he was battling some health stuff for the last few years, wrestling piece to him.
36:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for your Chicago Sports Media Contribution.
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a hundred percent agree.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember working jet-copic and meeting Harry a couple of times.
37:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, just again, such as just an affable guy, very funny, just sharp and just fit in very well with that Mac Yerko Harry show and other hits that he did.
37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly, you know, help shape that Chicago radio landscape.
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, inspired guys like us to
37:26
[SPEAKER_01]: do carry the torch so to speak and keep it down.
37:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like almost like a Dennis Miller or Tony Coronahizer like comedic, but very smart sports mind.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Rest in peace.
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving on, a couple of fun things as we finish out the show.
37:44
[SPEAKER_01]: We alluded to the clips album earlier Ross and I listened to it before going to the tiny desk and the tiny desk just awesome.
37:54
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just not missing with any of these recent ones, especially the hip-hop ones.
37:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been on a tear and what a good roll out for them.
38:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the singles they came out with and then going on tiny desk and doing chains and whips and how
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, push a T doesn't blank when basically talking right to Jim Jones is the whole take away from that was so cool.
38:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But the bird's on saying it and I forget who I heard it from, but going from birds don't sing to chains and which is a tough transition because birds don't sing yet for those that haven't listened to the albiet is is a song and they mentioned in tiny desk, which I didn't know initially listening to it, but they're talking to
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: their parent to pass within four months of each other, push it to email us, you know, start with his mother and then starting with their father.
38:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And that gives you, it makes you missed you.
38:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd when you hear that and you hear the delivery and the conversation and the way they internalize that to put it on to, you know, put pen to paper and put it on a mic and put it on a record eventually.
38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just, you know, the album's full of hits, you know, POV.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there's, with Ferrell back in them, you know, this production team is
39:04
[SPEAKER_01]: is very familiar with each other.
39:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it made me go back to Lord Will and then, and there are other albums that they had come before that.
39:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, you know, top to bottom, really got to let God sort them out with Naz too and there.
39:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the features are great, but it's the middle of the album that really, you know, I felt like had the most hits for me.
39:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still very early where it's, you know, starting to process all of this
39:32
[SPEAKER_01]: in in just it's first week out basically but but you got to love it I got my tickets for when they come to Chicago that's for sure
39:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They did, they did ninety thousand going into their first week or into the first couple days or projected for that.
39:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So congrats for them.
39:47
[SPEAKER_00]: What I love about the rollout was they did it own school way where they just they popped up at radio stations and they popped up and did interviews with hip hop people and they did a tiny dust like you said and they did it like how you used to do it back in the day, which was
40:03
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna work it out.
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We got an album coming out.
40:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna work it.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted you to hear about it.
40:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're gonna go talk to the people that know about hip hop to talk about this out.
40:12
[SPEAKER_00]: The second verse on verse don't sing the mouse for us and we're both fathers.
40:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And so listening to that verse was like, just absolutely crushing to me as a father, as he's a son talking about his father and when his father did and everything like that, it was absolutely amazing.
40:31
[SPEAKER_00]: For real, I mean, we all thought he was left for dead after a couple of misses and he didn't have Chad anymore.
40:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have him in the net tunes and we're like, you know, does he not have his fastball anymore?
40:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he comes out, he throws a perfect game in my opinion on this album.
40:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Sobeet is one of my favorite hip-hop songs within the last couple of years right now.
40:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I have played this album five times, but every time Sobeet comes on, as you know, I'm up the horror movie head, and it reminds me of like the perfect horror movie.
41:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It is dark, it is spooky, it is scary, and pushes
41:11
[SPEAKER_00]: delivery and his voice on that song, just like, is he here?
41:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you almost feel like he's behind you in the dark, especially that third verse where he goes after Travis Scott.
41:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So, congrats to them.
41:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Congrats to them.
41:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing album.
41:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I went to Hampton University.
41:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a sophomore.
41:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I was either freshman or sophomore when Grimey came out.
41:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I was literally in the hub.
41:35
[SPEAKER_00]: when the clips, who is from the seven five, seven area, from Virginia Beach, came to came to fame and Lord willing is one of the best hip-hop albums of all time.
41:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that these guys still do is, it's guys are fifty years old, that's the other thing.
41:47
[SPEAKER_00]: The fifty years old, they drop a borderline masterpiece and the best thing about it, especially in this day of hip-hop.
41:55
[SPEAKER_00]: They had Nonsei at three single words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can hear every single word clearly on the album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yes, bring back a Nonseiation in the hip hop where I can listen to every single word you talked about, push her as he's doing that verse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't blink.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't blink.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can listen to every single word clearly and it rings even more true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So congrats to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My only critique.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could have used another twenty minutes in music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that push a T, we knew about obviously these last several years being as active as he had had a last couple great solo projects, you know, coming off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost dry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to see malice come back and malice is is to for toe going with his brother in this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, you know, certainly had some real impressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talked about birds, birds don't sing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he's a bear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do anybody yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's always been my take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always do the mouse has been a better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been the better up the two in the group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, push the DSM has had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, even in the solar work, helping heaven, Kanye and Ferrell help them out, but man, these two are going to be something to watch on tour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you talked about it at fifty that real busy and remember, they just came to Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was last summer in the Hyde Park Fest and we were touring as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you knew that something was coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when they were reuniting and doing the old hits and not to do something new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler the creator said the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you know, you wouldn't have me and you wouldn't have from a copy on his tour without these guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what they're doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really a breath of fresh air where it's been pretty light in the summer with releases as far as hip-hop is concerned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know a bit of the butcher's going to come out with a project this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jade dropped in something later this summer, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, this is this is it got some some hot songs for the summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will hold me over to the rest of this summer season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like I said, I'll see how in five times already it might be up to twelve to fifteen times for the end of this week I coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you saw Superman fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not out yet, but you know, you obviously haven't seen fantastic for it, but you think it's going to be better this fantastic for the Superman and this summer superheroes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm biased.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been a DC head more than a Marvel head, so it's been tough for me to last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fifteen to twenty years as as Marvel has really taken the belt from DC we've had some some hits on DC obviously we got the Nolan verse and I did love Matt Reeves Batman I thought that was great Zack Snyder just completely ran things into the ground now so I was happy to see them number one higher James gun from Marvel from Guardians of the Galaxy fame and him kind of take the reins for this I was skeptical I came into this I looked at the trailer and I was like this looks a little weird this looks a little you know kind of a corny and and
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, corn and sweat as they, you know, he's a Twister's movie last year or two years ago, whenever that came out as a side guy to Glenn Powell and I was like, this guy's going to be screwing in and and and and and Nick was whole is going to be Lex Luther.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They crushed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the most fun comic book movies that you're going to see in a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They brought back the true identity of Superman, the color, the vibrantness, the kind of tone that you need for Superman character, without Rachel Brasnahan, who played Los Lambs, absolutely phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was a great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tight to our movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just another thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow, along the way, superhero movies turned into like, like, like, you were washing good fellas?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it was like three hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have, all right.
45:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what are we doing here?
45:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was in a movie.
45:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I had two beers in a tub of popcorn and two hours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was done.
45:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I was like?
45:48
[SPEAKER_00]: This is awesome.
45:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, probably two hours I spent on a Sunday when it's like, eighty eight degrees outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of so far for blockbusters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's still some some ones coming out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I refuse to watch the dinosaur movie.
46:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to watch Jurassic Park because I don't want those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, if one was awesome, you know, that I thought I had a lot of fun watching that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a fun, a lot of fun watching, twenty years later, there's one of my five favorite movies of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's been some fun summer blockbuster movies and we get some fun ones coming up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get a, I know what you did last summer remake on Friday if you're interested in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I put it to you, it's absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go see, start with those two movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go Superman, twenty-eight years later in F-One.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think those are all three movies that you really need to see on a big screen to really experience how good they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Getting ahead of fantastic forward and whatever else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coming out ahead of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Happy Gilmore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's right.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you like the dog, Superman's dog?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crypto, I did like crypto.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crypto reminds me a lot of one of my dogs, which is just a complete A-hole that does not listen, but how could you hate it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you sure?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You still love him anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the cool thing, you know, Jim's gonna even tweet it this out today, but the searches for adoptions for dogs this week has skyrocketed plus five hundred and ninety percent I think it was since Superman came out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this has
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this has sparked a lot of people to you should always adopt don't buy any way with with dogs, but this that's a really cool thing that's come out of this as well, especially in the height of I was not to get sad or anything, but I was watching the story on the Texas floods today and one of the things that came out of it was
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[SPEAKER_00]: that, you know, pause when down there to rescue like literally punches the dogs from that Texas area because they don't have any homes right now.
47:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of them were coming up to Chicago area as early as this weekend and next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So continue to go out there and adapt these these dogs and maybe you'll get yourself a crypto out there who pounces out your stomach when you're in your death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I cheap a poodle or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go get a nice mutt, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something that you know you're saving lives out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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