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Cubs thoughts and concerns with PCA & Tucker, Twins Non-Sale with Nick Nelson & The Voice of the Chiefs Mitch Holthus · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hi good afternoon welcome Miller and Condon on a Thursdays the
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  Iowa Sports Radio Network Trent Condon and Ken Miller with you
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  for the next couple of hours to talk sports with you.
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  Thanks for starting your afternoon with us wherever
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  you're listening in the state of anywhere in the I heart app
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  grateful that you are doing so here's what's coming up on our
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  program this morning. We're going to head north.
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  Nick Nelson covers the twins also dabbles on the in the
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  Vikings. So basically, obviously the
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  Twins lack of sale, that's good to see.
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  The lack of sale on sale. Right will will be the focal
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  point, but we'll get an update from Nick on on JJ McCarthy and
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  just how terrific he's looked so far this training you.
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  Have a different algorithm than I do.
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  So we'll talk to Nick Nelson. We will hear on tape from our
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  friend Mitch Holtis the Chiefs daily training camp report
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  brought to us daily by Papa John's.
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  Mitch and the crew are in the air headed to Seattle for a
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  night game tomorrow night. I think the NFL Network has it.
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  Although are the Chiefs local? Do you know, do they have an
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  outlet? I know the I know the Vikings
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  were on KCCI this past week, right?
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  Because I heard Paul Allen and company, and you will hear Paul
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  Allen. Well, it was channel 17 for us
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  locally. That's the Fox affiliate for
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  their statewide network. Because I never knew about what
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  the Fox affiliate was in Des Moines until I moved here.
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  But yeah, KDSM used to have the Chiefs, but I.
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  Don't know. Now that you say that, I'm not
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  sure. Well, if it isn't broadcast
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  locally, they. It was because they bounced out
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  of they bounced out of the Cubs Cardinals game to go to the
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  Chiefs preseason. I'm almost positive I saw this
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  on on the garbage Twitter. I I'm almost positive I saw that
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  Saturday night. Well, that was supposed.
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  Well, you might have. But I didn't see it personally.
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  But I'm almost positive I saw somebody complaining.
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  All right, because Cubs card was the Saturday night game.
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  And I would guess that happened here.
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  That doesn't happen in Eastern Iowa.
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  I will tell you that one. Shouldn't happen in Central, I'm
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  sorry. Right.
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  It's a preseason game. It's a preseason game, right?
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  But I'm almost positive. Somebody help us out here, hit
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  us up on that garbage Twitter app and let us know one way or
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  the other. So I was at Prairie and I was
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  walking upstairs into the Caesars Sports book where it was
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  being shown. So I guess.
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  I and that might be a different. Feed that's what I'm wondering
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  because I I know I watched it in between races anyways, all
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  right, good stuff. So that's our number one, our
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  number 2 going to be a little bit different.
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  We Bama Bob is going to join Trent and I as we do each and
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  every year we go on record and it's kind of a slow day.
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  So why don't we do it today, tomorrow or never tomorrow?
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  Next week rather gets a little crazier than it normally would
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  have because after all there is a week zero with one of the
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  needle movers that will be playing in those in that game.
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  So we will do what we'll go on record here today with Bama Bob
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  regarding whether we're our picks, the group of of Group of
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  Five, the Power 4 conferences, we like the Heisman, etcetera,
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  etcetera, etcetera. So we'll do that and then we'll
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  have that on record and we will all periodically a couple of
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  times certainly at the end we'll correct our work and maybe one
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  time in between now and then. But it's always fun to do.
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  Just see how bad that we can possibly be as, you know, talk
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  about it. Why don't go on record and have
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  an actual written record of our our picks.
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  So baseball, obviously we're going to start there.
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  We will get to Owen Casey being called up by the Cubs.
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  I have not seen, and I keep refreshing Twitter, the Cubs
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  starting lineup for today is their getaway game in Toronto
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  against the Blue Jays. It's a 2O7 first pitch.
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  And I keep checking Twitter and I have not seen the Cubs lineup.
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  If you have, please retweet it. I keep seeing predictions, but
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  that's not good enough. No one official, right?
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  Everybody's got predictions, what it should be like.
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  But on Casey called up Kyle Tucker in just a horrendous
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  slump. I don't know if they will just
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  put him on the bench and give him the day off he would they
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  would DH him. Casey's a right fielder, as we
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  speculated prior to the trade deadline.
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  Don't be shocked if Casey doesn't move.
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  This is insurance for Kyle Tucker.
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  If that 500 or $450 million price tag, whatever it may be,
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  just gets a little too a little too pricey, you've got a guy
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  that's just absolutely tearing the cover off the ball.
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  And if you follow Tommy Birch on X, as both Trent and I do, and
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  he will tell you whether he's on the radio, if you've run into
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  him, the grocery store, that old Casey's ready for the major
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  leagues, and he gets his opportunity.
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  I hope he plays. I really do.
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  But we don't know what his travel schedule.
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  That's just it, Trent. And I wonder that's why we're
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  waiting for this. Lineup.
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  It was a night game. Probably he got the word.
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  When did you see it for the first time?
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  Was it evening? Yesterday evening, yeah.
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  So he's got to catch a flight to Chicago, 'cause you get to
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  Toronto, it's. For Minneapolis.
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  I guess Minneapolis, Yeah, sure. I've flown in Toronto, but did
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  so through O'Hare. So assuming to travel.
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  He's a Canadian, so we're going to be kind of cool to make your
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  first start in the major leagues in your home country.
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  If he does, great. If not, I'm guessing he'll be
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  sometimes this weekend at Wrigley Field when the Pirates
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  come to town and then they will leave.
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  And here come the Milwaukee Brewers.
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  This story trend. It's, it's almost unreal.
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  It just doesn't seem right of all teams to go on a run like
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  this. The Brute Crew I.
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  Just got this from Zach Zabin, who's part of the Cubs radio
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  broadcast. Long Timer said if Owen Casey is
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  able to get to the ballpark in time, he will be in the starting
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  lineup today. That's awesome.
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  So is it 90 minutes before that your official lineup has?
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  To be in I don't know the answer.
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  I used to know what. Like it would be.
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  It seems like that would be accurate.
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  I think it's 90 minutes of memory so.
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  Apparently he's still not in Toronto.
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  Still, and he might be in Toronto, but he could be coming
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  from the airport. Or, and, and here's the thing,
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  it's a long way from, I think it's Pearson International.
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  I think it's Pearson who was a Prime Minister of Canada, Lester
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  B, for those of you at home, Lester Pearson Airport.
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  And it's a long way from the and it's traffic is awful.
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  It's a huge city. Yeah, Toronto's a big, big city.
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  So fingers crossed get him there, pick him up and get him
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  to the Rogers Center in time for Game 3 of this series with the
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  Cubs evened up last night. So we'll keep an eye on that and
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  we'll let you know when that comes across.
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  The phone lines lit up. Yes, they did bounce out.
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  They did. Now, there has to be something
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  contractual, right? It's only three preseason games.
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  I'm going to guess if you were an affiliate, you have to have
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  all three games in their full window.
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  I would anticipate that has to be something that the Chiefs
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  network and the affiliates that they have to sign.
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  I've been apoplectic. If you're.
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  I would've been beside myself, I'd have been so pissed off.
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  For a preseason, for preseason game one.
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  But also think, all right, what does the local affiliate not
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  just box here locally, but whatever the local affiliate,
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  the Kansas City affiliate, the Saint Joe's affiliate, the Saint
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  Louis affiliate? They bounce.
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  They do, right? What do you get for even a
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  regular season game? Cubs, Cardinals, in terms of
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  what you sell compared to, certainly in this market, what
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  those people are selling on the local front, in terms of
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  advertising, they're making a whole lot more money with that
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  Chiefs game than what they are for a regular season.
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  Cubs. Cardinals.
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  I, I, I don't have a push back on that, You're 100% right.
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  As always, the answer to all your questions is.
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  It's always, it's always about the money, and this just shows
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  you how popular it is, right? The NBA playoffs average for the
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  final right? Oklahoma and Indiana averaged
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  4.5 million viewers. All right, The Hall of Fame
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  game. Yes, 6.9 the Hall of Fame game.
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  It was in. July it was in July in Canton,
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  OH, where nobody played 6.9 sickos.
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  I was one raise your hand watch the Hall of Fame game and the
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  the the viewers in the NBI mean come on.
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  It's just it's just so damn popular, right?
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  But your points, right, I think you, I think you nailed the
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  reasoning behind it. It's the almighty dollar.
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  Anyways, thank you to our audience for us for filling us
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  in. And Charming said on that.
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  But I was in a good spot on Saturday night that I didn't get
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  bounced. I was able to to watch it
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  anyway. And you're gonna be out there
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  tomorrow night. Yeah, tomorrow night, tomorrow
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  night out there tomorrow night, and then a couple more nights in
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  September. So it's fun to do.
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  Yeah. I can't say no to them.
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  What brought me to the country, for crying out loud.
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  Right. And when they have, when they
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  have a need, I'll raise my hand and help them out.
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  All right, So what do you expect from Owen Casey today?
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  It's a great question, right? I mean to.
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  How much sleep has he had? I I want to find that part of it
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  out. Too.
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  But does he it's, it's got to be all adrenaline at this point,
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  right? And he's 23.
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  Yeah. So at this point, at 23, you're
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  probably not needing a whole lot of shut eye A.
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  Little bit different world than what we're.
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  Talking about on Adrenaline, you're finally getting your
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  opportunity. I can't wait to watch him play.
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  I really and truly can't because Kyle Tucker, let's be honest,
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  he's been awful. He has been awful.
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  You know who was unbelievable yesterday?
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  Did you watch much of the game? I did not know.
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  Kate Horton is is an ace. He is a ace to be not there yet,
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  but this is a kid who's got everything going for him and he
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  and and let's let's look at this Jays lineup.
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  That's a pretty good lineup, right?
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  He shut them down. I think he had that.
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  He gave up one hit prior to getting pulled in the game.
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  Did he get into the 6th? He got, he got into the 6th
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  right. Vladimir Guerrero was coming up
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  and we had two outs in the in the 6th inning when he walked, I
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  think it was Bouchette in front of him and they and they pulled
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  him because they didn't want Guerrero, who took him to the
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  deepest part of the ballpark and it ball didn't leave.
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  But I get it. But prior to that career high 8
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  strikeouts, he was so darn good, so darn good.
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  Cubs fans, you've got an ace in waiting in Kate Horton.
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  You mentioned Kyle Tucker, and this is over the last 30 days
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  going back to the middle of July, he's batting 200.
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  Can you find PCA in that time? I can 201 home run for Kyle
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  Tucker, six RBI. That's brutal.
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  His OPS 636 that is. That's backup middle infielder.
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  Yeah, it's ugly. During that same time frame.
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  Pete Crow Armstrong. So so Tucker was 200 with one
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  home run and six RBI. And six RBI, you know, tick
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  better. 205 for PCA, two home runs and seven RBI.
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  But point being, both of these guys who were, look, it's hard
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  to kill them, right? Because they were such a big
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  part of the Cubs pulling out to the lead that they did and
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  having the season that they that they're in the midst of.
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  But man, oh man has it gone South.
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  So I brought up the question to Kathy and he didn't kind of go
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  the way that I was hoping that he did.
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  What? Did you ask him?
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  About PCA and about what's closer to the truth for him,
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  that this guy is going to be a perennial All Star or that he's
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  not going to be as bad as he's been the last month or really
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  six weeks. What's close to the truth?
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  When he was having that ridiculous start to the season,
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  that hot streak and every Cubs fan was killing me because I
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  didn't think his personality, but he was played at a high
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  level. And I think because of that,
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  when I bring up the whiff rate, which was immense and we're
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  talking 30% Whiffer, guys like that don't hit 280.
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  They don't. He was having he was seeing
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  everything well and but the likelihood he was never going to
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  be at that pace. Well, that now we're coming back
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  the other way and it's somewhere in the middle.
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  I get that. But what is closer to reality,
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  that PCA is a perennial All Star or he's a real nice player, a
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  great defender, but that hole in the swing is always going to
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  keep him and a lot of what if for him.
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  Because that's what I still think it.
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  Is well, obviously, I, I think you can remove his defense
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  because I see this guy, I not only is he going to win gold
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  gloves, he's going to win platinum gloves as the best
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  defender in his league. I, I really believe that.
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  I mean the, the balls that he's able to run down.
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  God, I love watching him play center field, but it all comes
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  down to his offensive numbers. Trent and I think it's fair.
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  I mean he's going to steal a base.
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  So those numbers are going to get there, but he's got to get
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  on in order to do so. I, I hate to take the easy way
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  out. I think it's going to be, I
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  mean, some years he's going to, he's, he's going to have a above
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  average numbers. Some years he's going to bring
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  those numbers back down to where they, you know, the, where
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  they're ultimately going to finish.
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  I mean, you got to keep in mind just how how new the major
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  leagues are to him still, right, That he's still, he's got the
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  power I want to, I want to go on the positive side of it.
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  Here are two numbers I mentioned that wiff rate.
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  He is in the bottom 19% of all a baseball in that.
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  Here's another. One and how, when, when did he
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  fall to that level? Do do you have?
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  I don't have it kind of broken down, but.
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  So like April, May, June. But that was always a problem.
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  The WIFF rate was always high. It was just when he was making
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  contact, it was seemingly solid contact every single time and
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  that's not going to happen. The other one, maybe even more
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  concerning than the WIFF rate, is the chase rate.
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  How many times he chases pitches outside of the zone?
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  He's in the bottom 1%. No, I see He does it all the
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  time, Trent. Of all of baseball, the bottom
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  1%, he chases 43.1% of his pitches outside the zone.
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  Yeah, you, you can't sustain, no, any kind of level of
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  sustainable. There's always lefties.
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  And what are people going to do now?
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  More and more I got to throw him a strike.
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  You don't have to. You don't have to because he's
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  going to get himself out. And I think the book is now out
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  on PCA after that. Just don't throw him strikes and
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  he'll get himself out. Hey boy, 1215 Miller and Condon,
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  welcome to the program here on a Thursday.
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  All right. I heard this yesterday and I
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  bring it up because you and I, we talk a lot of sports wagering
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  on our program, get a lot of criticism for it still to this
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  day. I get it.
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  It's not for everybody, but it is for the noon to two.
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  So have you heard the theory what's going to happen to the
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  Red Zone channel that like it or not, and a lot of people won't,
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  that the Red Zone channel is about to get a significant
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  injection of ESPN bet? I've heard the theory, but every
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  time that I've seen or read about the theory, it's been shot
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  down. By.
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  By the NFL. But they don't own it anymore.
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  They do. They do on the red zone.
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  The red zone is still being produced by the NFL.
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  That was part of this deal and this agreement.
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  That red zone as we know it. Scott Hanson has just signed A4.
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  Year deal, he goes over there. He is with it.
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  This is part of it. And this is still being produced
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  by the NFL. Their fingerprints, the ESPN
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  fingerprints, this is much like inside the NBA.
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  This is much like Pat McAfee, at least as it pertains NFL
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  Network. That's separate.
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  That's a different conversation. And yes, I think that will be
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  ESPN fized if you will red zone though, because.
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  So it won't change at all. There'll be no live betting
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  numbers that appear on your screen in the in in the.
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  If it happens hours, it will not be because of ESPN, it will
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  because NFL. The NFL has made that decision
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  to do that because the other component to this is red zone
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  was not sold completely. They own ESPN bet Well the NFL
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  does. They own 10%.
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  Right, but this is still a production of the NFL and on top
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  of it, the NFL also maintain the digital rights to red zone.
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  So if you don't have ESPN Plus, if you don't have a subscription
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  where you can buy it on DIRECTV or whatever your cable system
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  is, if you want the digital rights, you have to subscribe to
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  NFL Plus. That's why the digital rights
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  remain with the NFL. So I push back on that.
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  From everything I read, I think that theory is wrong unless the
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  NFL makes a decision that they want to do that.
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  Because of their ownership. Look, I'm not advocating for it.
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  I don't watch the red zone. I'm I'm not a red zone
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  aficionado like so many people are.
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  I mean, they love it. You guys love it.
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  You watch it all the time. I'm just not, that's just not my
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  cup of tea. But well, I hope you're right.
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  I hope you're right because that would that would lead to a lot
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  of upset folks. I have to believe you know what
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  I mean? And.
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  Well, and look, if it's something on the bottom line,
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  guess what? On red zone no.
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  But what I'm hearing is they're going to actually have somebody
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  come in and say. You know, like that's not what
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  the channel you're. Freeland, OR.
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  Yeah, but that's not what the channel is.
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  And if you do change that, then you're changing what it is.
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  But from everything that I have read and seen about this, that
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  will not be the case unless the NFL them themselves completely
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  turned the way that they're doing that.
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  But last year, DraftKings was a huge sponsor of theirs.
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  They were on every broadcast at the end.
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  One of my favorite parts at 6:30 central time is they're wrapping
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  things up is they show every touchdown that happened
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  throughout the course of the day.
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  And you can see back-to-back to back-to-back that the 60
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  touchdowns from the day. And you get to see them to wrap
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  it up before I flip over to NBC and get over to Sunday Night
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  Football. That's how my day ends.
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  Almost every single Sunday is with that.
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  And who was it sponsored by? DraftKings.
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  Fascinating stuff. All right, Miller and Condon
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  underway going to take a time out going to head north, catch
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  up with Nick Nelson more on the on the on the twins ownership.
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  So just in in the 24 hours since the news broke, I know that
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  you're that you that you haven't come off the ledge, but have you
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  seen who are there any names being floated out there as to
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  who they're perhaps going to piece some of their ownership
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  off to the fit the new face of that franchise, not the pole
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  ads. Yes, they would still own a
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  significant chunk, but they were looking for, you know, partners
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  that would be the face in in on their community.
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  Are you seeing any names? I have not.
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  That has not been the space that I've been going down though
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  either because I was seeing red yesterday and.
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  Smoke coming out of yours. I really was I.
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  Was so upset and because I thought we're finally rid of
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  this right? I don't care who the owner is,
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  whatever's behind door #2 I'm taking door #2 Could be worse,
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  but I'm just. That'll be tough, but.
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  But I'm sick of door number one. I can't stand it anymore.
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  And then to see that and the way that they're just spitting the
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  fans faces and the just to not understand what is actually
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  happening here. The whole press release pissed
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  me off even more. And, and just the, the verbiage
• 19:01
  that was used and going out there and we're going to try to
• 19:04
  build a winner and all these things, it's all lies.
• 19:06
  So those, those are the parts that definitely leave me
• 19:09
  frustrated when I was going through and looking at it.
• 19:11
  So I will, I have not gone down the path of who it's going to
• 19:15
  be. I'm, I'm still kind of worried
• 19:18
  about just the way that this looks and, and what is it
• 19:20
  realistic that this influx of money is going to change what
• 19:23
  the Minnesota Twins can? Do well, for your sake, I hope
• 19:26
  that that's the case. All right, we're going to catch
• 19:28
  up with Heather. She's at the State Fair kitchen
• 19:30
  refresh. She'll be out there today.
• 19:33
  We're going to hear from her and both the the first hour here.
• 19:36
  In fact, we're here from her momentarily before we take our
• 19:38
  break and bring on board Nick Nelson.
• 19:40
  Then in our number 2, again from the top of the program, our
• 19:43
  number 2, Trent Bama, Bob and I are going to go on record with
• 19:47
  our picks. Who's going to win the the Power
• 19:48
  4 conferences? Who's going to play for the
• 19:50
  championships? Some of the, you know, some of
• 19:53
  the other props, if you will, that we'll throw out there and
• 19:58
  we'll do that in the 1:00 hour. Trent, We'll make some plays of
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  Circus Sports. I was surprised that there is no
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  NFL or no NFL football games tonight.
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  I thought Thursdays was a a night that you could almost
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  count on. Watching an NFL game because
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  there is very, very little, very limited schedule of MLB.
• 20:19
  All right, let's head to the fair.
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  Here's Heather Kitchen refresh and she's standing by.
• 20:24
  Hello, Heather, How are you? Good, Ken.
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  It's a beautiful day to be out here at the Iowa State Fair and
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  I'm being serious about it. It's not too hot.
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  It's been a little overcast, although I think the sun is
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  coming out. And I am here with Joe from
• 20:36
  Kitchen Refresh. We are in row 400, Buried
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  Industries building, actually booth 426.
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  I'm going to be out here until 2.
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  But of course, Kitchen Refresh is here from open to close, 9:00
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  And you have some great deals going on for the Fair Joe.
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  Yeah, absolutely. We're giving out 25 5% off all
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• 21:00
  the fair, and then there's a lottery from one of those lucky
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  people is going to get 50% off their kitchen here in a couple
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  weeks. Wow and the selling point for
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  kitchen refresh is you can have a like new kitchen with no demo.
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  That's the best best best part about it.
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  It is 3 to 5 days average job time with no demo required.
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  You don't even have to take anything out of your cabinets.
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  So I've done this, our kitchen looks amazing if you stop by I
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  deals only. We've also got some KXNO swag to
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  hand out as well. So come on by and see me.
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  I am here until 2. It is Kitchen refresh Buried
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  and the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  By 12:30, Miller and Condon, Iowa Sports Radio Network,
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  Trenton I with you until 2 off the bench at that time.
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  Lucas Strain, Sean Roberts take you until 5:00.
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  Still to come this hour. We've got a recorded piece today
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  as the Chiefs are on an airplane headed to Seattle.
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  Mitch Holtis's daily Chiefs training camp report.
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  Papa John's Central Iowa sponsors those.
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  So we will hear from Mitch coming up here in about, oh, 20
• 22:17
  minutes or thereabouts. But let's head north before we
• 22:19
  go South, up to the Twin Cities we go.
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  Nick Nelson, twinsdaily.com. We'll do some twins.
• 22:25
  Get a little report caught on JJ McCarthy as well as we head
• 22:31
  north. Hello, Nick Trenton, Ken, thanks
• 22:33
  for coming on. How are you?
• 22:35
  I'm good. How are you, gentlemen?
• 22:36
  Doing well. I won't speak for Trent.
• 22:40
  He did plenty of that yesterday and I think the audience is well
• 22:43
  aware of his feelings. I was struck though, Nick.
• 22:46
  I saw an interview from the Twins locker room at Yankee
• 22:50
  Stadium with Byron Buxton that was done prior to the game.
• 22:54
  And I would have thought that, you know, he was kind of, you
• 22:57
  know, and that maybe concerned might be a little bit too over
• 23:02
  the top, but he seemed OK. He seemed pleased.
• 23:08
  He's he, he likes the relationship with the pole ads.
• 23:11
  He admitted that that's all he'd known, unless you heard it
• 23:15
  differently. I was kind of surprised that
• 23:17
  Byron Buxton was was OK with status quo as far as ownership.
• 23:23
  No, I didn't hear it differently.
• 23:24
  I personally wasn't surprised. I mean, Byron Buxton is is sort
• 23:27
  of a unique Major League Baseball player.
• 23:29
  I think he's very much a loyal, loyal guy, a relationships guy.
• 23:34
  And it means a lot to him that the Poloid family is the one
• 23:36
  that, you know, was here when that drafted him, that has been
• 23:39
  owning the team the whole time he's been here.
• 23:41
  He's got to know them. He's got a long relationship
• 23:42
  with them, I'm sure. So, you know, as everyone else
• 23:45
  was kind of jumping ship and asking for trades here at the
• 23:47
  deadline, Buxton was holding strong and saying this is where
• 23:49
  I want to be. So I think that's just who he
• 23:51
  is. I would I would be surprised if
• 23:53
  he said a bad word about the poll ads honestly.
• 23:54
  And I also saw that apparently after the trade deadline came
• 23:59
  and went, there was Buxton who gathered the team.
• 24:01
  I think he said that they were in Cleveland and the team all
• 24:04
  out, went out for dinner and basically is we're all in this
• 24:07
  together type again, a real team bonding after the trade deadline
• 24:11
  and was orchestrated by Buxton. Yeah, I mean, that's leadership
• 24:15
  right there. I said on Twitter the other day,
• 24:18
  you know, if anything kind of silver lining comes out of this
• 24:20
  whole situation, which is very depressing, I hope it's that,
• 24:23
  you know, more people come to appreciate Byron Bustin, the
• 24:26
  person that he is, the one-of-a-kind sort of individual
• 24:29
  that he is, in addition to being a fantastic player, just just a
• 24:32
  great human and a loyal guy and someone who cares about this
• 24:34
  team in this franchise. I don't really hold it against
• 24:37
  Korea or Jax and those guys for asking out given the way things
• 24:40
  were going, but it does make you appreciate all the more, you
• 24:43
  know. So we get to this point after it
• 24:48
  looked like this winner, it was going to be Ishpea, that he was
• 24:50
  going to be the guy, and then that fell apart.
• 24:52
  Now he's going to own the White Sox here within the next half
• 24:54
  decade. And then we really never heard
• 24:56
  names. What we go to the All Star break
• 24:58
  and oh, it felt pretty imminent listening to Manfred reporting
• 25:02
  up in Minnesota that it was going to happen one way or the
• 25:05
  other. And then it doesn't.
• 25:06
  So take us into the details here in these two minority stake
• 25:10
  owners that are coming in, one from Minnesota and one from the
• 25:13
  East Coast. Yes, an interesting situation,
• 25:16
  kind of hard to figure out. It seems like we're sort of
• 25:18
  still getting the details. I read Dan Hayes article in the
• 25:22
  Athletic, which I thought was pretty illuminating.
• 25:24
  And he mentioned that there was at least one buyer who is still
• 25:29
  very interested, working to put the financing together to meet
• 25:32
  that 1.7 billion price tag, which was kind of being bandied
• 25:36
  about. And he was shocked when this
• 25:38
  happened. He was kind of taken off guard.
• 25:39
  He or they or whoever were taken off guard when when this was
• 25:43
  announced. So an interesting sort of change
• 25:46
  of events. I think the way it looks is, I
• 25:48
  mean, it was reported a while ago that Jill Paul had wanted to
• 25:51
  stay in charge. I think there's a lot of
• 25:52
  associating that goes on with the poll ads as an entity not
• 25:55
  really caring about this franchise because they don't.
• 25:57
  But I do think Jill Paul ad is a baseball fan who does care, you
• 26:01
  know, so potentially that's a good thing that he's sort of the
• 26:03
  remaining 1. I don't think it's a good thing.
• 26:05
  You could say that the poll ads as an entity are going to be
• 26:07
  still in charge. But if he's new stakeholders are
• 26:11
  coming in, these new minority partners and they actually are
• 26:15
  replacing some of those people who are very checked out and
• 26:17
  uninvested, I could see it being a good thing.
• 26:19
  But anyone who is, you know, expecting there's to be some
• 26:22
  giant rise in payroll or changing of the status quo, I
• 26:24
  think it's probably going to be disappointed.
• 26:26
  Who will be the face of ownership?
• 26:28
  Who will, who will? I mean, is it, will it continue
• 26:30
  to be Joe Polat or is this somebody from one of these new
• 26:33
  entities? I mean, who would be I guess the
• 26:36
  guy on Front St. representing ownership?
• 26:40
  I hope it's not Joe Polad because he's not doing a good
• 26:42
  job. He's just making people angrier
• 26:44
  and angrier with every tone deaf, oblivious statement that
• 26:46
  he makes publicly. I, I assume that he'll be
• 26:50
  basically be the front man because the Polads still are the
• 26:52
  controlling partners here and he is the the figurehead for that
• 26:56
  group. But I would suspect that whoever
• 26:59
  is going to be in this, these new minority partners groups,
• 27:03
  especially the Minnesota one, which I would expect will have
• 27:05
  some recognizable names, if not even former Twins players or or
• 27:08
  or coaches or something like that.
• 27:11
  I I bet. They'll try to put them a little
• 27:13
  more out front just to kind of try to change the vibes and the
• 27:16
  PR aspect of this because, I mean, the poets can't be so
• 27:19
  oblivious to to not know how incredibly unpopular they are in
• 27:22
  the state right now. Who, who would be, who would
• 27:24
  satisfy or scratch that itch amongst Twins fans?
• 27:27
  Who's a former player, very popular, that could maybe calm
• 27:31
  the waters a little bit. Is there?
• 27:32
  Is there a name that you get that comes to mind?
• 27:34
  Nick. The most obvious name that comes
• 27:37
  to mind is Joe Mauer, you know, the highest earning Twins
• 27:40
  players in history. So it makes sense from that
• 27:42
  standpoint. I think, you know, knowing what
• 27:44
  we know about Joe Mauer, he barely likes to, you know, be
• 27:47
  out there and put his face out there when he's a player.
• 27:49
  So it'd be kind of surprising if he was trying to take like a
• 27:51
  very public facing role. Tori Hunter was another name
• 27:54
  that came to mind. I know he's been very interested
• 27:56
  in the business of baseball. He made a lot of money during
• 27:58
  his career. So, but you know, as, as we've
• 28:00
  discussed a lot, like there's a difference between rich and rich
• 28:04
  enough to be involved in buying part of a baseball team, right?
• 28:06
  This is crazy money. So it does have to be a pretty
• 28:08
  limited field of names that could be in that.
• 28:10
  When we kind of map out the future so they get this influx
• 28:14
  of cash that is going to help their debt, which was huge for a
• 28:17
  Major League Baseball team and nearly half a billion dollars in
• 28:20
  debt that they'd incurred with the baseball.
• 28:23
  Is it going to lead to, yes, there needs to be a rebuild.
• 28:26
  Now you don't sell off 10 major leaguers and expect there's not
• 28:29
  going to be some kind of rebuild.
• 28:30
  But when we look 345 years down the line, maybe when that next
• 28:34
  crew starting to come up and make when a window was open like
• 28:36
  it was two years ago, is the anticipation now that the poll
• 28:39
  ads, they're actually going to spend money.
• 28:43
  I do think that the debt that's been hanging over them has been
• 28:46
  a major impediment in terms of being able to spend, being able
• 28:49
  to invest in payroll because you know when you're at a point of
• 28:52
  400 million in debt, paying down that principle in the mass of
• 28:55
  interest on it is a huge amount of money.
• 28:57
  So I think there's no question and poll ad has basically been
• 29:00
  pretty open about this that these new investors that are
• 29:03
  coming in, a big part of that is getting that debt paid down.
• 29:06
  And I think once they get that taken care of, not only does the
• 29:09
  franchise become more attractive if they try to engage in a sales
• 29:12
  process again. But yes, I think they will have
• 29:14
  more money coming in from the investors and just in their own,
• 29:17
  you know, liquid money in their own pockets to be able to invest
• 29:19
  a little more. So I do think that is probably
• 29:21
  an upshot that you could see. Is it true, Nick, that the Joe
• 29:24
  Ryan was actually on a plane or headed to the headed to catch a
• 29:28
  plane to Boston that he was informed that they he is moving.
• 29:32
  I mean, they're ace right now. Joe Ryan was actually, you know,
• 29:36
  it was his impression that he had just been traded.
• 29:38
  Was that true? I don't know if I heard that
• 29:41
  detail, but I certainly believe that the Red Sox came on very
• 29:44
  strong at the end. I mean, all the reporting and
• 29:46
  things I've heard of have been to that effect.
• 29:48
  And I think they did come pretty close to getting something done
• 29:50
  in the final minutes there. I certainly think they were very
• 29:54
  open to trading Joe Ryan. I think they'll be open to doing
• 29:57
  it again this offseason because what happened at the trade
• 29:59
  deadline, there's no two ways about it, they punted next
• 30:01
  season. So, you know, if you're not
• 30:03
  going to try to compete next year, why not try to cash in and
• 30:05
  build for the future a little more?
• 30:07
  Even though that's very depressing to me because I
• 30:08
  really think this team had the bones of a contender with Pablo
• 30:12
  and Ryan and that bullpen and Correa.
• 30:14
  And to just give up and start over with a bunch of prospects
• 30:17
  who were coin flips essentially, even if they're good prospects,
• 30:20
  is very, very saddening to. Me say this, Louis Varlins, one
• 30:23
  of my favorite Blue Jays already.
• 30:25
  Yeah. And he, he was like #4 in that
• 30:27
  bullpen in Minnesota and showed you the strength that they had
• 30:30
  there. And obviously not going to be
• 30:31
  the case going forward if they trade Pablo, they chose trade
• 30:35
  Joe Ryan and, and maybe it's just Buxton's the one that hangs
• 30:37
  around. It's kind of part of the rebuild
• 30:39
  going from there. Is there any prospects to get
• 30:42
  excited about when we look back to the trade deadline?
• 30:44
  I I think I just got overwhelmed with it too.
• 30:47
  I mean, there was just so much there and it was hard.
• 30:49
  What this prospect is outside of the Korea one, which was, I
• 30:52
  mean, an absolute joke of what they got in return.
• 30:55
  Are there any prospects that Twins fans should be excited
• 30:58
  about and should definitely have on the radar now that they got
• 31:01
  last a couple weeks ago? Yeah, I mean, they wouldn't
• 31:03
  necessarily be considered prospects, but I mean the two
• 31:06
  sort of Major League ready pitchers that they got back in
• 31:08
  Taj Bradley and Mick Abel, very interesting players, really good
• 31:12
  stuff. You know, we're once very highly
• 31:13
  rated prospects, both of their stock down a little bit.
• 31:17
  I think if there's one area where I trust the Twins to sort
• 31:19
  of be able to turn some around, it's in that pitching area on
• 31:22
  the hitting side. You know, you get guys like Alan
• 31:24
  Roden, who we've seen. You got guys like James Altman
• 31:26
  who's in AAA. Those are also guys who are kind
• 31:29
  of formerly really highly regarded and their stock is
• 31:32
  down. I think I have a lot less faith
• 31:33
  in the Twins to turn around hitters like that just based on
• 31:36
  what we've seen. But in terms of actual
• 31:38
  prospects, I think the big name for sure is Eduardo Tait.
• 31:41
  This catching prospect that that they got a sort of the
• 31:43
  centerpiece in the Duron trade. That to me was easily the best
• 31:46
  trade they made because that addresses a real organizational
• 31:49
  need. They have nothing in the catch
• 31:51
  and cupboard after Jeffers. And he's looking like a really
• 31:54
  good player. I've even watched him play a
• 31:55
  little bit since he came over and I think he's playing with
• 31:57
  the Cedar Rapids Colonels now. And hi, A as a teenager, you
• 32:01
  know, big swing, he's a big body.
• 32:03
  He looks like a catcher. So I think that's a pretty
• 32:05
  intriguing pick up. I want a football question for
• 32:08
  Nick Nelson. Nick, conflicting reports.
• 32:10
  Depends what you read, who you see on X.
• 32:13
  When it comes to JJ McCarthy, he's either going to be a cat
• 32:17
  miss or boy, oh boy, this was a miss.
• 32:19
  Where? Where are you?
• 32:20
  What are you hearing on on JJ McCarthy?
• 32:22
  How has he looked? I mean, it really could go
• 32:27
  either way. I think you nailed it.
• 32:29
  You know, you hear a lot. You hear a lot.
• 32:30
  I haven't had a chance to watch much.
• 32:31
  I didn't see his OneDrive that he played in the pre season
• 32:33
  game. You know, it sounds like
• 32:35
  certainly in terms of all the intangibles and the leadership
• 32:38
  and the character, he's got it all going, which which I it does
• 32:41
  not surprise me. I think that was sort of his
• 32:43
  Rep. I mean, this is a guy who has
• 32:44
  been a championship player at every level in the past.
• 32:48
  The question is just can he throw?
• 32:50
  Can he make the passes? Is he going to be consistent
• 32:52
  enough? And that's where I feel like
• 32:53
  I've heard some very sort of varying accounts.
• 32:56
  You know, I hear he's missed a lot of makeable throws.
• 32:58
  You know, he's overthrowing his receivers.
• 33:00
  And that's always sort of been my concern.
• 33:02
  You know, I don't want to compare him to like Christian
• 33:04
  Ponder. But when you think of, I think I
• 33:07
  think Ponder was the last quarterback or the only
• 33:08
  quarterback they've drafted close to this high.
• 33:10
  And it was like a similar situation where it's a draft
• 33:13
  where several quarterbacks had already gone.
• 33:15
  The Vikings need they liked him. But there's a reason all these,
• 33:18
  you know, several teams passed on this guy.
• 33:19
  So I just get a little concerned about that.
• 33:22
  It feels like such an unknown on a team that I think otherwise is
• 33:25
  very well equipped to potentially compete for a Super
• 33:27
  Bowl. I love the Christian Ponder
• 33:28
  reference. Where did he go?
• 33:29
  15 overall. All right.
• 33:30
  I think he did, yeah. Good stuff.
• 33:33
  Nick Nelson, twinsdaily.com. Nick, thanks for jumping on,
• 33:36
  giving us the latest on the the twins sale, etcetera.
• 33:39
  We appreciate you doing this for us, Nick.
• 33:41
  Thank you. Yeah.
• 33:42
  Thanks for having me guys. Good to talk to you Nick Nelson
• 33:45
  as we check in on the Twins. Guessing not a lot of folks will
• 33:48
  be doing that going forward. Yeah.
• 33:49
  Well, and a lot of reaction over at Twins Daily, if you're
• 33:52
  looking to kind of catch up on the sale, a lot of good
• 33:54
  different kind of viewpoints over there at twinsdaily.com.
• 33:56
  Nick and the whole crew doing a great job of keeping that up.
• 34:00
  And Christian Ponder, boy, I'm going to be right if that's the
• 34:02
  case, right? Yeah, if they're getting
• 34:06
  comparisons to Christian Ponder. I was out to dinner.
• 34:10
  It was my wife and I and my step brother and his wife at the old
• 34:16
  Chicago not there anymore over on Merle Hay.
• 34:19
  And we just went out for dinner. The draft was on.
• 34:22
  Everybody's Vikings fans. Those three are Vikings fans.
• 34:24
  And then there's me. And I, as the pick is coming in,
• 34:27
  say I hope they take precious powder because.
• 34:31
  I. And what happens?
• 34:32
  And the devastated look on all three of their faces.
• 34:36
  They even knew that the excitement was taken away with
• 34:39
  Christian Ponder. Oh, JJ McCarthy, be another
• 34:41
  Christian Ponder. That'd be so wonderful.
• 34:43
  It was the what what draft was it was the 2011 drawn.
• 34:48
  So let's he went 12th overall. So here are the quarterbacks
• 34:51
  that went ahead of him. If I can Scroll down here and
• 34:55
  find this very quickly. All right, the Panthers had the
• 34:57
  number one pick. They took Cam Newton easy one
• 34:59
  good pick. Then Broncos took Von Miller.
• 35:01
  All right, here we go. Q BS Jake Locker was the next
• 35:06
  quarterback off the board. He went eight to Tennessee.
• 35:09
  Blaine Gabbert, fresh off a loss against the Hawkeyes, went 10 to
• 35:15
  Jacksonville. You know who went between Blaine
• 35:19
  Gabbert and Christian? Oh, my God, this is going to
• 35:22
  hunt Vikings fans, Jaguar fans, not a quarterback.
• 35:26
  Do you know who the 11th pick in the draft was that year?
• 35:29
  No. JJ Watt.
• 35:31
  Wow. Oh my God, this is almost as
• 35:36
  bad. Almost as bad, because it's not
• 35:38
  quite as bad as what Elway did when he took what's the bum's
• 35:42
  name? Bradley Chubb at 5 and Buffalo
• 35:49
  runs to the podium and selects Josh Allen.
• 35:52
  Josh Allen. That was a stretch and you know,
• 35:54
  without the right tutelage, I don't know if Josh Allen would
• 35:57
  have got where he is right now. He was awful early on and we so
• 36:01
  rarely see guys that turn it around right into him and to the
• 36:03
  staff. I think it was more situational.
• 36:06
  Awful good in a Broncos uniform. Yeah, they would have screwed it
• 36:08
  up. Tell yourself Elway did.
• 36:10
  Screw it up. Well, Elway scouted him, and
• 36:13
  when he was at Wyoming and he didn't like, Elway coached him
• 36:16
  in the Senior Bowl. Didn't like him.
• 36:19
  He saw what he saw. Quarterback awful, awful front
• 36:23
  office. We didn't break up.
• 36:24
  Bye Miller and Condon.
• 36:37
  Welcome back. Going upon one O clock, about 10
• 36:40
  before one O clock. All right, the Chiefs headed to
• 36:43
  Seattle. Mitch Holtis as daily Chiefs
• 36:46
  training camp report both today and tomorrow on tape.
• 36:49
  Here's Mitch what he has to say today.
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  All right fellas, I'm on a plane headed to Seattle for preseason
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  game #2 against the Seahawks tomorrow night.
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  But today I wanted to stay on my Nitty Gritty week.
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  And who are the players on this roster who have to do The Dirty
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  work, the nitty gritty work to make the team successful?
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  She's tight end. Travis Kelsey may be having
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  record-breaking podcast with his girlfriend Taylor Swift, but his
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  running mate at tight end, Noah Gray continues to move forward
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  quietly doing his nitty gritty work.
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  Gray had career highs last year in 2024 and yards, touchdowns,
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  catches. He had four touchdowns and a two
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  week spurt at Buffalo and at Carolina.
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  But now it's time for Kelsey to get even more help from Noah
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  Gray and for Gray to take the next step.
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  Listening to the coaches and just executing the game plan
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  that is set forth for us every single day, and it's made me a
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  better football player every year.
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  You know, I thank God every year that I'm a part of this
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  organization that really values the work of practice, and it's
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  just really inspiring to see all these guys come out here and
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  really push me to make me a better football player.
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  How much did you notice that even the spring and summer with
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  OTAs and the mandatory mini camp because almost everybody was
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  here. Yeah, I mean, guys are just,
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  they just know, you know, the importance of practice.
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  They know the importance of being together and building that
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  camaraderie. And you saw it from day one
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  since we got here in the spring, like you were saying, you know,
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  guys were showing up, guys were coming to work.
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  And it's not mandatory. You know, that was all voluntary
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  stuff and just kind of shows the spirit of the team, kind of
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  where their heads at and what their goals are to win every
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  single game that we can this year.
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  The rest of the tight end room is up for grabs, and tomorrow
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  night's game against Seattle is another chance to evaluate
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  second year Tide in Jared Wiley as well as former Packers star
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  Robert Tunyon, who's been impressive in this camp and last
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  week led the Chiefs in receiving in the game at Arizona.
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  All right, thanks to the Donaldsons and Papa John's pizza
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  at State Fair time. It's Saturday night with the
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  Seahawks and Chiefs really feels like a pizza to me.
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  From papajohns@papajohns.com. They're working on new specials
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  as we speak at the lab in Johnston.
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  On my way to Seattle. I'm Mitch Holtis, voice of the
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  Chiefs all. Right, good stuff from Mitch
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  Holtis Daily Chiefs training camp reports Mitch will be back
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  with us live tomorrow. He will preview get his thoughts
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  of pre game show prior to the pre game show tomorrow.
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  He will join us on tape and kind of layout what he expects to see
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  when Seattle and the Chiefs go head to head in pre season game
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  #2 where are you on this team? They're going to be really good.
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  Like really good. Like 15 and 2.
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  Good. 13 or 4? Yeah, they'll take a step back
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  and be 13 or 4. When you say it that way, that
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  would be a step back but still win the division in your mind.
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  Broncos are close, yeah. So are the Chargers.
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  No, they're not. Broncos are close.
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  Can't get there with the Chargers.
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  OK. Can't put I can't trust either
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  of those quarterbacks. Would they Herbert or Knicks?
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  When Justin Herbert does something big in a big game,
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  wake me up. Knicks has not had a good
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  training camp. That's reports in the Denver
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  Post. I don't believe for a second,
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  personally. Big news hour 2 coming up.
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  Bama's going to join us. Miller Condon.
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  We're on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.