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CTK-51: Wallabies EXPOSED? Lions DESTROYED! What a Weekend! · Cut The Kak

• Byron: Welcome back to another episode of Cut the Kak the show where we talk about the sport we absolutely love and know very little about. That clown over there is Chad. I'm Byron. Chad, let's cut the Kak Chad: Let's do it. what a weekend of rugby. We had all blacks putting 50 points on the wallabies, retained the Bledisloe Cup, got the Raeburn Shield. So much for the Australian Revolution. I don't know what you want to call it, but Byron: Hmm. Chad: so much for that. over the ditch back home. We had the URC, we had Both your team and my team absolutely humbled the Sharks and the Lions going unbeaten and then Byron: Got a lot a lot to say about that. Chad: Yeah. NPC, absolute crackers. Terrible weekend for me. All my teams lost. Marco got fried. I was so confident we were gonna win that one and then just didn't happen. Canterbury put on an absolute scoring clinic, just points on points and points. So I reckon that's gonna be my team that I pull through for the rest of the comp. And then this weekend we've got the wallabies and the all blacks going at it again, this time in Australia, not in the fortress that is in park. Yeah, plenty of rugby, Byron: Also Chad: plenty of KAK opinions. Yeah. Byron: Also, another Australia versus New Zealand game that we're gonna try cover with in depth over the next few weeks, and that's the opener of the Rugby League World Cup. Chad: Yeah. Something that the League Rugby World Cup did much better than the Union Rugby World Cup. Byron: it's Chad: Anyway. Byron: yeah, yeah, that that one's to me is still a shocker. Absolute shocker. Where do we start? First off, shout out to the missus for the new jersey. I got me a new a new a new kit. A new kit to wear. Chad: Yeah, on on your new uniform. Byron: I I are I are na and look it says spring box because I'm not a spring box. I are I are a team a fan. Chad: Moment is is that rugby? Byron: Yeah, well that's because they never played in that one, you twat. Chad: They did. What do you mean, this one? Byron: What do you mean what do I mean? That's supporters, Jersey. Chad: So who's that one? Byron: Yeah, but this is at least a a version of a kit that they would wear. Chad: Mm. Byron: No one ever put that on when they went to go fuck up the All Blacks. Chad: They didn't because they wore it when they went and fucked up the Irish in South Africa. Byron: obviously for those that do watch, we didn't have an episode last week. Most of that is due to me being too sick to speak on the mic. So we are back. didn't not too much to talk about. I think the big thing we would have spoken about last week that we didn't get the opportunity to was the NRL grand final, super final, final final. Chad: Mm. Byron: Ultimate final, no longer a final after the other finals. The the last final that can final happen. and the Roosters beat the Knights by one point, nineteen eighteen. Chad: Go sport. Byron: That's it. That's I didn't watch it because I Chad: Same. Byron: I you know I tried so hard and the moment there were 17 different finals and I didn't know who was playing who anymore. I it was hard for me to follow and I lost interest. But we are we are going to try our very best to cover and talk about the Rugby League World Cup. Do you wanna start there so we got league out of the way, then we can talk about union? Chad: Let's do it. I have prepared nothing for the league, so this is all you. Byron: Not a problem. I'm gonna talk about the five group stages we're gonna watch. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: so even more interesting here, you have a group A. Actually, I should probably go to their website because I'm looking at it on Google. But on Google, you have a group A and you have a group B and C. Chad: That makes sense. Byron: Group A has four teams. Group B and C has six teams. Chad: Each. Byron: No, combined six teams, but combined groups B and C. Chad: What? Pardon. You're gonna have to share your screen or something else. I wanna know what what you're looking at. What do you mean? There's different Byron: let me bring up their website. It's probably a a a better way to do this. Because I'm looking at it on Google and it looks like a disaster. So I'm going to the pools now. Draw in pools. I will explain to you as I learn. So Okay, this makes sense now, I'll explain it. Group B has three teams. Group C has three teams. But the top two teams from the combined table of B and C will go to the semifinals. So group B will play everyone in la la la la leister woo. Chad: Why hang on. So group group A has how many teams? Byron: Four. Okay, I'm Chad: Okay. Byron: gonna go through it. Just just listen to me and I'm gonna make sense of this. Yeah? Group A has Australia, the Cook Islands, Fiji, New Zealand. From what I'm assuming, the only teams that actually play the sport properly. Okay. Then we have Group B and Group C, right? Why are Group B and C combined? Teams in pool B and C face off in an interpool matches with teams in one pool. Playing all three of their group games against each team in the opposing pool. Results from these interpool matches feed into a combined ladder where the two highest ranked teams will progress to the semi-final. Now, before I even move on, why does League Chad: Is that not just Byron: create their own process? Is there gonna be a semi final, a penultimate final, a semi final to the pre final before we reach the final? We will find out. Chad: Look, I'm no mathematician, Barn, and Byron: Mm-hmm. Clearly. Neither am I, but please go on. Chad: We've got four teams in one group. Byron: Mm. Yes. Chad: And then we have three more in another group. That Byron: Three T, yes, yes. Chad: gives us three more left. So we had ten teams. We Byron: Correct. Chad: could have just had two pools of five. Five and five and be normal. Byron: Chad, Chad, Chad, Chad, stop being logical, please. Chad: Mm. Byron: This is not about logic. This is about creating new versions of finals to confuse people. Okay. So to put it into perspective, in the one group, you have Australia and they'll play the Cook Islands. They will play Fiji. They will play New Zealand. That's group A. Then in the other group. You have in group in pool B, you have England, Lebanon and Samoa. Okay. Chad: Lebanon. Byron: Brother, Machia Bombayos are out there. Chad: There's g there's gonna be thirty oaks on the field for Lebanon. Byron: Woo! Okay. You wanna know what's great about that pool? England, Lebanon, Samoa. They're in a pool together. They don't play one another. England have to play France, Papua New Guinea and Tonga, who are in group pool C. So France, Papua New Guinea, Tonga, they're in a group together. They don't play one another. They have to play England, Lebanon, Samoa. Chad: This just goes back to what I was saying. W why don't you have two fucking groups? Byron: Because I I would assume it's because Chad: Mm. Byron: there aren't enough top tier league opposition. That's my assumption. That would be like yeah, and I'm not gonna dive into that example. Anyways, now to open the Rugby League World Cup, something that was done at Chad: Were you gonna say it's like South Africa playing Wales? Byron: Dad? The whilst Chad: Yeah. Byron: have done nothing wrong yet, okay? But the opener of this World Cup is the opener we should have had for next year's World Cup for the union. We have Australia playing New Zealand. What is for me Thursday morning, October fifteenth. So I'm assuming Thursday evening. and then the other games that weekend we have Samoa versus France on Friday and then on Saturday we have Papua New Guinea versus Lebanon England versus Tonga and to end off the first round of games we'll end off on Sunday or yeah, Sunday, Fiji vs the Cook Islands. Chad: Can't wait to watch none of them. Byron: I actually am so excited Chad: watch the first one. Byron: and I I'm obviously gonna watch the first one on Thursday, but I can't wait to watch Papua New Guinea versus the Lebanon Cedars. Chad: I can. Byron: No Chad. We are all in on this competition. Chad: We are we are we are on okay, let me Byron: And we are not gonna do predictions because what do we know? Chad: I was just about Byron: Less Chad: to say Byron: less than four call. Chad: Do you know what we're doing next week on the show part? Byron: What are we doing? Chad: We are predicting each of the games. Byron: for the the the Chad: Whole competition. Byron: the real World Cup. The league. Okay, fine. Okay. Chad: The league. Byron: After we've all watched everyone play one game, then we can we can make some very terrible rugby math. I'm down. I'm in. that's it for League, I think. Yeah? Chad: That's it, thank God. I'm over league. Okay, hang on. What Byron: All right. Now we can talk what? Chad: fucking pull B and C fucking There's only three Byron: Crazy crazy work. Absolute crazy work. Chad: this is the shortest World Cup of any kind. Byron: See, so when I see this, right, everyone argues about league versus union, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. As an international game, there's no conversation to be had between league and union. Chad: Yeah, they've got their five weeks every four years. Byron: But if you're if you live in Australia and New Zealand and I guess parts of England, then league is a very important part of your life. But around the world Chad: Yeah. Byron: Not much of a debate to be had now, is there? Although they they did Chad: Anyway, okay, Byron: win. They did win by having the opening of their World Cup game being Australia versus New Zealand. Chad: They did. Byron: They did that right. All right. Speaking of Australia and New Zealand, do you want to talk about that game? Chad: Yes, as Australia can push me if I Byron: Bruh, when you posted the in on the cut the KAK story that you think Australia is gonna win this game, how stupid did you feel after forty minutes? Chad: It was the fiftieth minute. I realized they it was Byron: 'Cause th Australia didn't come out in that that second half. I don't know if Chad: I still had to hope No. No. And Byron: I don't know if they didn't come out or if New Zealand just said, you know what, enough's enough. Chad: Yeah, Rennie must have been threatening family members in the change room Byron: Ha ha Chad: because it was a very different second half to that first half. Byron: New Zealand in Chad: But Byron: the second half was so f physical. Chad: That whole game, Joe had an outstanding game. Harry Wilson. How Byron: Always. Always. Chad: he didn't get me out of the match was unreal. He made forty three million tackles. Byron: The loose three for Australia is among the best in the world. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And then fucking what's his name at fifteen? Chad: For who? Byron: Australia. my god. Chad, why are you doing this to me? Chad: quite This is fun. We're having fun. Byron: No, it's not fun. No, I I've I can see his face, I can see everything about him, but I can't put a fa a name to his Chad: Tom Wright. Byron: That's the one. He's on a different level as well. Chad: Yeah. What do you think of so Lee Ed Wing? Byron: I didn't see any issues with it. So they had a good guy. Chad: Yeah, it's the second one there on the wing. I think I like him more at centre, but f when you're playing that harball game, kicking game, I think he's up there with some of the best. Byron: Well, I think that's the thing. Australia's very good under the hardball. So I think putting him at wing was the was Chad: Yeah. What did you think? Mm? Byron: strategic to to be more competitive under the hardball. Chad: Yeah, because he played there against us and that was always going to be a a thing. New Zealand played a lot a lot better than they normally do under that hard ball in the second half. Although they weren't they weren't re-gathering the ball as much. They were playing more that game where the ball comes and they just tap it back and then they had boys running onto it. Mmm. And I think that was a strategy Byron: Yeah, there was a lot of like volleyball volleyball taps, which I thought was interesting. Chad: compared to actually going up and Getting the ball, you know what I mean? Like actually Byron: Mm-hmm. Chad: getting the ball back and actually catching it. Byron: Well, so I don't know if you noticed that it started in the greatest rivalry, and I see now in the URC that other teams have picked this up as well. When you do the the up and under, it used to be that it was the fullback or the wing that was facing the ball would challenge Chad: Yeah. Byron: and jump and catch it. Now it's the retreating winger that is doing the catching. And what has changed Is it's no longer the retreating winger just receiving the ball over his head, which is an incredible skill. To first off to catch the ball behind you in front of you is amazing, number one. But it's coming from Chad: How do you follow the yep, of my search? Byron: behind you, and you catch an you Chad: Ha ha ha ha. Byron: Woo! But now what they're doing is that man who's running backwards. is no longer trying to catch it. He's tapping it to the fullback in the receiving pos that was in the receiving position prior. Which I it looks a little weird to me if I have to be honest to you. Chad: Yeah, I don't I don't know if any of it I mean it works. We'd we do it too. I'm not saying we don't do it but it's Byron: But I mean if the tactic works, it will it just looks it doesn't look like rugby, if that makes sense. It's a weird thing Chad: Yeah. Byron: to say, but it it looks offish. Chad: Who's gonna be the team off the Bresdo Cup tangent for a second? Who the fuck is gonna win at Eden Park? That's not the O Blacks. Because the first ten ten minutes I was like Byron: Maybe it's just one of those things. Chad: and just Byron: That's it. The if a game's there they go okay, yeah, they've won at Lacka, no problem. Chad: Yeah, because Byron: So like if if if if the box play New Zealand at Eden Park again, we just send whoever, the under twenties or Chad: Yeah. The lions, Byron: As we know, no, it doesn't matter. Chad: yeah. Byron: No. Twenty-three changes to the team and send them. Chad: Yeah. No no yeah. Byron: All all debutants. Chad: Old debutons, yeah. Byron: Watch those oaks pull off a miracle. At the Chad: Yeah. Byron: miracle at Eden Park. Chad: Eden Park Miracle. Yeah, dude. But like the the thing was I was I looked at how many changes Dave Rennie had made versus how many changes the Wallabies had Byron: No, I just Chad: made. And it was like thirteen to one change or something crazy like that. Australia hadn't lost a game in six In a row, they were on a much better trajectory. Yeah, I know. Byron: Yeah, but we spoke about that. We spoke. Chad: But but it's still that's winning winning's a habit. Losing is a habit. And you f you find ways to do it. In that first half, they were fucking doing fantastic work. And yeah, second half was just Shame. Byron: I just it's one of those things where like you can only play at that level for so long before fatigue and everything kicks in. Chad: Yeah, but it wasn't like it was just from the one side. I actually wonder what the stats were from that game. it wasn't like it was just Byron: Cost the yeah. Chad: a one-sided physical game. Like they were both physical. It was where's bl get blitz up? Byron: but something something happened in that second half. You know. what I do find interesting is that Australia actually had I no never, I'm I'm wrong with that one there. looking at the stats here. Anything honestly, anything interesting. Chad: Yeah, I'll tell you. Byron: Turnovers conceded. That was interesting. Chad: Well what is it? Byron: All Blacks lost the ball thirteen times. Australia only lost it seventeen times at the rock. and possession, not that big of a difference. Fifty-five percent to the All Blacks, 45% to Australia. Chad: I'll try to get a picture of it 'cause this that came up on Sky Sport. In the first ten minutes, Australia had ninety percent possession. I was like, that is Byron: I did I did take a photo of it. I did take a photo of because I knew I knew this was going to become a talking point. They were all over them at the start. Chad: Bro, crazy, crazy, crazy. Entries into the twenty two for New Zealand, fifteen to six. Yeah, let me bring let me bring up let's yeah. Byron: Bring it bring it aloe blitz Alo Blitz Chad: You know what this is said I am. how does one share a screen? Byron: I don't know, you've always been the the genius beyond that. Hallow Blitz Chad: Okay. Blitz let's let's quickly do a bit of a blitz yeah. Possession Yeah, fifty seven to forty three. Not as big as the score line. territory very similar. Byron: The the possession stats and the score line. Not as bad. Chad: Yes. And then this is where it kinda started blowing out was the the entry to the twenty two. More than double. Byron: But what's interesting is the average points per entry. Chad: Mm. and that talks to how many tackles the poor Aussies had to make. It was diabolical. Passes, clean line breaks, again, four to ten in New Zealand's favour. Running Byron: Do you know what I find interesting here? Chad: meters almost double also. Yeah, what? I'm waiting for you to Byron: Scrums, everyone everyone kept their scrums. no, just the stats are a little different on the All Blacks website versus the Blitz website. Not by much, but a little different. Chad: He's calling the old blacks cheaters. Byron: No. Tackles attempted. What did you what did we have there? Tackles one forty four. So the re I say it's a just a little off. Tackles attempted. it says the All Blacks was one forty and the Australians was two hundred and four. Chad: Yeah. Tackle the Byron: Four on each side. Chad: tempted or Byron: Yeah, but missed tackles, both of them are the same, twenty three and thirty. Chad: Yeah, I don't know. Well we'll Byron: No. Anyway, it's not important. Just curious. You were talking about kicks. yeah. And what's interesting Chad: Discipline absolutely railed Australia in the second half. Byron: is it's norm well remember the last second half the Chad: Yeah. Byron: Aussie's had. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I don't actually pissed me off with the commentators. Because it's it's it's not wrong, but it's not accurate. When they said that you know, the the Aussies beat the Springboks with an eleven man team. Chad: yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard that. Byron: You can't you can't say that. You can't say that. Chad: No Byron: Cause when you say that, it makes you think that for 80 minutes Australia was playing with 11 men and they still found a way to beat the Springboks by four. No, no, no. The last few minutes of the game wasn't even the last ten, it was less than ten minutes, you had eleven men on the field. Anyway. Chad: I know, I was getting I struggle I really struggle with the Kiwi commentator sometimes. Byron: Sometimes I hate it. I absolutely hate it. do you know where the the the the Australia New Zealand game is being played? Chad: Next one. Byron: Yeah, long on Saturday. Chad: In Australia. Byron: Thank you for that. where in Australia? Chad: I think it's New South Wales, actually. Byron: I'll tell you now. Chad: See what this is. Byron: Not Chad: See, Australia. Byron: Ha ha ha. It's in Sydney, you prick. Chad: That is New That is New South Wales. Byron: okay. Okay. Well I learned something new every day about fake fake geography. You know what's interesting then? The the game on Thursday is also in Sydney. Australia and New Zealand for the the League World Cup. Chad: What stadium? Byron: that's at the Alliance. Chad: yeah, that makes sense. Byron: Which one's bigger? Chad: this one's got eighty three thousand. How many those are? Byron: Interesting. This this one's the exact same. Eighty three thousand five hundred. Chad: Maybe it's like a curtain razor. Byron: Thursday's game for Saturday's game. I don't think that's how curtain raises work, Chad Chad: Well, for one weekend y when have you ever had I suppose you have a whole weekend, never mind. Byron: Ha ha ha Chad: Is it the same stadium? Byron: all right. Brother, it would be hilarious if that's what if that's what's is a core. No, two different stadiums. Ones in East Allianz is in Eastern Sydney and Accords in Western Sydney. Hold on here, hold on. I think Blitz might have a little bit of a oopsie. Because according to Google, the Accord Stadium has a capacity of 80 to 83,500, and Allianz Stadium has a capacity of 42,500. Chad: So why does blood struck be wrong? Byron: I don't know. I I don't I don't make the the decisions yet. Chad: You just said eighty three thousand five hundred. Byron: Yes, for a call. Chad: This is a core stadium. Byron: then they're not wrong. I'm wrong. Chad: my god. Byron: Let's move on. Chad: We have one week off and the wheels completely fall off. Byron: Completely fall off. There's nothing going correct today. let's do NPC since you've got Blitz open. Talk about those quarterfinals. Can see you're sad already. Chad: Fine. Byron: There it is. There it is. There it is. Chad: Friday night. I've had a good day at work. It's lacky weekend. I'm ready. Byron: What I thought in this game was really fun is the it it wasn't boring, and normally kicking duels are very boring. But the the intensity between the 60th minute and the 70th minute of that game, the quality Chad: Yeah. Byron: of the kicking battle was incredible. Those they weren't mindless kicks just to put the opposition back in their in their twenty two. It was brilliant kicking from both sides. Chad: But the Havili brothers are just Byron: Special. Chad: yes, it's so f it's so good to watch them. yeah, it was Byron: I wanna Chad: what a good game. Like for if you're a neutral, fuck the NPC's just Byron: yeah, I loved watching it. Chad: so good, Like so many points get scored. Byron: Yeah, I mean if you look at the we're gonna Chad: It's unreal. Byron: get to the other scores from this weekend as well, my goodness. question for you on that Chad: Yeah. But yeah. Really fun game. Mm. Byron: game. That final try that was scored to to end the game. I mean no, excuse me, excuse me. The score the this this is not the final try. In the seventy-ninth minute, Marco had the ball. Right? And before the knock on, the phase before that was a missed high tackle. And no one from TMO or the referee saw it. What's your opinion on that? Because we say Chad: I did think it was a high tackle. Byron: we say the TMO mustn't get involved unless asked. But you guys should have had a penalty looking at that score. Where that would have taken place, you would have taken a line out in the opposition 10 from where that penalty would have taken place. Maybe not have scored, but possibly could have scored. Chad: And scored and won the won the game. Would a s would have scored. Byron: I'd see Chad: Yeah. Byron: this this is where I feel the TMO has to get involved because it's a clear and obvious penalty. Chad: Yeah, it was a blatant high tackle. There was a couple of big shots like that that got Byron: weren't weren't called throughout the whole game. Chad: Yeah. So they were consistent. Byron: Yeah, consistently poor. Chad: Speaking of the TMO, and I know we're bouncing around like we normally do, there was no TMO calls or checks or anyone needed in the All Blacks Australia game, and it was fucking fantastic. Byron: I didn't even notice that. Chad: It was there was hardly Temo had he could have been in there with a six pack and some built on and just watched a Byron: Maybe he was. Chad: lacquer game of rugby. Byron: Maybe that's what he did. He had the best scene in the house. Chad: But there was nothing being missed. The the boys were just dueling. There was obvious there were Byron: Yeah, I'm looking. Chad: some big shots and like he did I think he came in like once or twice, but throughout the game, nobody even spoke about him. And it's no one speaking about how cucked the ref was, how cu it's been it's been good. So props to Yeah. Byron: Yeah, but that's what we want. That's what we want. Yeah. Chad: Props to the whole team, the refing team. Mm. Byron: Speaking of TMOs, I'd like to give a shout out to the South African Queen herself. Amy Barrett Toron was back in the TMO box for the Lions Bulls, well, the Bulls vs. Lions game. Great to have her back. Great to Chad: Unreal. Yeah. Byron: have her back. Welcome back, Amy. Happy to see you back. Anyways, yeah, I agree with you. It was great. We'd love to see it. Now do we know okay, we won't talk about it yet 'cause I want to hear your opinions on the semifinals. Let's go to the next D. Chad: we had who it was Northland god. Northland Taranaki. The crazy thing about this game is we're closer than the Marcos game. Byron: No, but the crazy thing about this game was what happened to North Harbour at the end of the first half. Chad: That was fun. So part of the playing. Byron: They just decided, you what, we're gonna let Taranaki take a big lead here. And Chad: Yeah. Byron: and then we'll see if we wanna play rugby at the end. Because they scored those late tries, but it was too little, too late. Chad: Yeah. I thought they were gonna come back for a second. towards the end there, I was like, it's gonna happen 'cause they were like Byron: That would have been insane. That would have been insane. Chad: Yeah. When yeah. Byron: Again, a great game. Look at that score. Like you said, if you're a neutral. What's their not to look? Chad: I was doing a little bit of I was doing a little math before this one. So we'll run through these the rest of the games. So yeah, another fantastic game. North Harbour, Taranaki, cracker game, high scoring, action pack from day from the first whistle. Otaga and Hawks Bay, another absolute barn burner, another sixty-four points. Byron: I can't believe what happened to Hawks Bay at the end of the season. Chad: Just decided it's been real, Byron: What Chad: it's been fun. Byron: if I look at the standings, right, Hawks Bay ended in six. They went six games unbeaten, lost four in a row, and now I've lost five in a row. What the f How? I would be so disappointed if I was on that team. Chad: You'd be pissed off. Byron: A Birachiox Coffee, serious? Chad: Can you imagine? Maybe that was part of the problem. Maybe that's what the boys are doing in the shed. Just there was a mind game. Byron: They were like, we're too good for the rest of this. And then okay, then the final game of the weekend was also one way traffic. Chad: I reckon fuck, I can't even speak. I had no none of my teams on this weekend. I had everyone else supporting lost. Byron: maybe you should support New Zealand next weekend, see what happens. Chad: Yeah, okay, here we go. Next week, New Zealand by twenty. Byron: No, your your go-to is New Zealand by 22. I don't know why you always pick 22. Chad: I don't know. Well, this week it's New Zealand by twenty. but Canterbury played some real good real Byron: I'm real good, raggas. Chad: good rugby. Mm it was crack and a C. But speaking Byron: But Chad: of how exciting NPC is, do you wanna take a Byron: Mm-hmm. Chad: crack, a guess? about the the average school In the NBC. The combined per match. Byron: it's gotta be over fifty. Chad: It is over fifty. Byron: Okay, so well it's sixty four. Chad: Sixty one point six is your average game. You're watching sixty Byron: I be Chad: points being scored. Byron: Interesting. Well the Bulls did that to the Lions this weekend, so we'll get into that, but that was heartbreaking in itself. No, it's a great competition. Chad: and there was Byron: I love it. Chad: six hundred and forty five trials scored in this competition. Byron: during the regular season. Jeez. Chad: During the regular season. Byron: Well, it's that it's that amazing running rugby that New Zealand's been playing. It starts here. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And it's good. It's so I love the NPC. I'm so glad you've turned me onto it. Chad: It's almost more exciting than Super Rugby at the moment. I would rather watch NPC than I would Super Rugby. Byron: Well yes, because it's the same as having super rugby but just with New Zealand sides. Chad: Yeah, so better? Byron: It it's always it even when it was the Super Twelve and then the Super Fourteen and then the Super Chad: Mm. Byron: Fifteen, it was always the New Zealand sides and the Brumbies. The rest doesn't matter. And then when they th if especially not the Western Force. And then they threw in obviously because they don't have the South African sides, they've got Fiji and Samoa. But unfortunately we don't know if we're gonna have Moana next season or blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway. Chad: We're not, it's done. Byron: Do you want do your predictions for the semifinals since it works the way it should, as in you have quarterfinals, semifinals, finals? Chad: Every single Byron: Ha. Chad: time I've said Northland are gonna fucking lose, they've won. But Byron: I have to go Otago because they are my second team after the Cats. Chad: Cats. Well me us and one other oak reckon that a targo also gonna win. They have to, surely it's gonna be a targo. Right. Byron: I hope so. Chad: and then on Saturday, do you wanna do this game? Yeah, we'll do that one later. Whoa, there's so much rugby going on. Byron: Yeah, we said New Zealand by twenty two. Chad: Put it in there. Lock it in. Wins they're the games. Byron: Sunday, Sunday, Sondach. Chad: Is it? Byron: Deser Chad: There it is. This is gonna be a cracky game. I'm gonna go Canterbury though. Has to be. Byron: Canterbury every day of the week. Otago Canterbury final, baby. Chad: In Cancer when Byron: Okay, let's not get into ourselves. Chad: And then and then it just rolls over to Super Rugby and then they win their four hundredth super rugby title. Hell yeah. Byron: okay. then shall we jump into the Urk? Chad: The results and yeah. Byron: Yeah, so first off, this segment of Katakak is brought to you by Surfshark. Chad: yeah. Byron: If you're a rugby fan, especially South African living overseas like us, you know the pain of the internet deciding what you can and can't access depending on where you are. That's where Surfshark comes in. Surfshark VPN encrypts your internet activity, changes your IP address, and gives you access to thousands of servers around the world, plus one subscription covers unlimited devices. And it's not just a VPN. Surfshark also offers features like ad and tracker blocking, data leak alerts, and alternative ID. Head to the link in our description. Surfshark, protect your internet, then get back to arguing about rugby. Chad: And I actually have to use it because it is not on a Sky Sport or T V N Z here, so I have to Byron: I don't know why. Do you know what Chad: I don't know, but Byron: I also don't know? Because I've spoken about this before. I love the fact that I can watch the NPC here in the Netherlands on YouTube. And i i i it opens up that competition to an entirely different demographic that wouldn't watch it normally. If the if Sky Sports and New Zealand don't think the URC is going to be big enough, which I don't see why that would be the case, but they don't see why it would be big enough to buy the T V licensing. Why isn't it on YouTube for free? Chad: That's a fantastic I mean, maybe that's just the URC. Byron: So then if I'm an exec at the URC, which clearly I'm not for obvious reasons, why don't I go, Hey, why don't we just make it available for everybody? More eyeballs, more money. You know how much money th fucking MPC must make on their YouTube channel 'cause of the Chad: Yeah. 'Cause every single game there's a couple thousand people watching. Byron: Exactly. I think the last one that I watched had two point two thousand. So then you got ads to two point two thousand people. And I'm assuming, you know, for New Zealand might even it might even be bigger if they got the US E there. Anyway, you know, I'm I'm just trying to tell them how to make money. No biggie. Chad: Yep. Don't listen to us if you hate money. Byron: Download sometimes. We're always wrong. even though we're always right. Okay. Chad: Yeah. Okay. I'll let you I'll let you read the results and then I'll bang up. Byron: Alright, well I did not watch the Walsh Derby for obvious reasons, but Ospreys beat Dragons thirty Chad: What's what's the obvious reason, Barnes? Yeah. Byron: You don't have to do this, Chad Chad: It's the question. Byron: because I thought the other game would be better to watch. Chad: What? Byron: 'Cause they're higher on the log. Chad: okay. Byron: I did watch the Glasgow Connaught game. Warriors won thirty-six nineteen. The Glasgow mall was terrifying. It was either Connough didn't know how to defend a mall or Glasgow put their shit together and they've got the old Bulls coach from two thousand and ten in their in their coaching side. Because they scored three tries all from a mall, Chad: I couldn't see this game, couldn't watch this game 'cause I mm. Byron: and the second mall try was nearly twenty meters more. to the trial line. Chad: I saw the highlights of that one, yeah. Byron: Brother, absolutely insane. And then I think the try of the season has already been scored. Chad: Which one? The b Byron: So the Glasgow Warriors Connacht. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Don Lancaster Dan Lancaster, the number ten, does a cross field kick pass, which is caught, and as soon as Fergus Watson, the winger, catches it, he catches it, drops it on his toe. Picked up by the fullback Josh Mackay, scores the try. It was beautiful. All the props in the world go to Fergus Watson for that. Chad: I like the try from the stormers this weekend. It was my trial of the week. Byron: The Stormers Sharks game was so good. So good. Okay, we'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. We there. We'll get there. Chad: Dude. Yeah, we will. Byron: so yeah, the Glad Guy guys, Glasgow Warriors, beautiful try. Josh Mackay, finish off the Dan Land, Castle Fergus, Watson try. Brilliant. Now, Lions versus Bulls. I already said it earlier. Shout out to Amy Barataran being the TMO for this one. Top class. But I I struggled with one thing in this game. Look, the Bulls were better than the Lions, start to finish. But the ref missed I can't I I within the first 20 minutes I I lost fingers to count the number off of offsides from the Bulls that were never called. And it made it impossible for the Lions to put any sort of attack together. Because the Bulls had fantastic speed on their defense. But it's also easy to have fantastic speed when you're two to three feet offside at every ruck. Chad: I didn't think that there were that bad offside. Byron: no, go watch no go go watch the game from from I couldn't I I was losing my mind. That's not to say that they weren't the better team. They were the better team. But the number of offsides that were missed have made it really hard for the and then the Lions would squeak offside. A little like there were times where F goes hand offside, advantage balls, and I go for a hand. Brother, three three phases Chad: Ha ha ha. Byron: ago the Oakway had a tent up in the Lions defense. Chad: Ha ha. Byron: pissed me off. It was tough to watch. Chad: I can tell. I'm glad you have to relive this. Byron: Well, you have to live the the the Marco, so it's okay. Then there was an interesting call, but I think they got it right. It was the high tackle on Kaelin Moody. And I think they got it right because the way they spoke about it is the jumper has to be in a realistic position to catch the ball for it to be a fair contest. But the other side of that rule. is it's also the jumper's responsibility to protect the other jumper. Okay. However, the Lions player got to the ball before Kane and Moody. So I agree with the referee that he was in a realistic position to catch the ball, because he was the first one to get the ball. He knocked it Chad: Yep. Byron: on. He didn't catch it, but he knocked it on. So it wasn't a penalty. It was shit for Kanan, but I don't think it was a penalty. I think they made the right call. And then my only my last point on that, are you do you a question? Chad: No, no, no. I'm thinking I was I agree with you. it's hard to say it the other yeah. Mm-hmm. Byron: was my last point on that is the number of springbox in that bull side is ridiculous. Also flippin' Hunakom. No. Chad: Bro, the handoff was it was disrespectful. Byron: It was. You shouldn't do that to another Chad: You Byron: fellow South African. Chad: No. Welshman fun. Byron: There should be a certain level of respect given to one another, and there was none. Cameron Hanakorm. Chad: It looked like he was Byron: Now if you look at the build of say our last actually our current the Springbox current number eight and then probably the biggest one before him. So you look at Who's at eight now? Kurbus Visa. And then before Chad: Yeah. Byron: him was Dwayne Familin. Now, if you look at Cameron Hunekom's build compared to them, it's different. They're built like more like a bowling ball. Cameron Hunnikom's nice and tall. Do you know who else played for the Bulls at eight and has a very similar build to Cameron Hunekom and was also an absolutely murderer? That's the one. They have Chad: PS P. Byron: a very similar way of playing, a very similar build. Chad: Just not as many injuries. yeah, that's 'cause he scored Byron: touch wood. Chad: Hunter Kob scored twice, yeah. Byron: think it was twice, yeah. But look, Chad: Yeah, but that that last one was just Byron: the Lions they couldn't they couldn't complete tackles and then we couldn't hold the ball. We knocked on the balls. But I think all of our knock ons were due to the offsides from the balls. Cause we just didn't have time on the ball. So Chad: I wasn't expecting the score line for this game. I wasn't expecting a absolute blowout like this. Yeah, it was Byron: No, it broke my heart, man. Ugh. Ugh. Chad: it was a tough watch. I was supporting the Lions. Byron: Thanks. Didn't help. Maybe you should have supported the Bulls because your weekend was dog shit. Chad: It's maybe maybe it was. Maybe I am the problem. Because Byron: I've said it for years, but here we are finally figuring it out for ourselves. Chad: We go to the next game and Lekker game, fun game. Sasha Byron: What a game. What a game. Chad: did Sasha things is definitely mm. Byron: It was sad to see Vuce Moyo go off injured though, so early in the game. I think that did change it. Chad: Yeah. and Iban. Yeah. I was excited to see him play too. I really wanted him to come through, score some tries and 'cause he's so good. I I'm a big fan. Byron: I just wanted to see his composure on the ball. Chad: Mm. Byron: What was crazy in that game, Chad: Yeah. Mm mm. Byron: what I thought was absolutely wild, was the number of Springboks all over that field. It looked like a Chad: Scrum. Yeah, it was correct that Byron: it it looked like a Springbok alignment camp. Chad: But then you also think the game before that too, with how many Springboks are in the Bulls team. And then you go watch Byron: Bulls team. Ridiculous. Chad: the next game and there's twice it's like there's too many Springboks. Byron: Bro, if if if if if I was if I was the the management team for the Lions, I'd be so embarrassed. Because they've got Qon Horn and Mournet Funnenberg. Chad: Yeah and yeah, one of them got a yellow Byron: Okay. Chad: card. Byron: man, that yellow card wrecked us. I think there were three tries in that ten minutes for that yellow card. but all the springboks go everywhere else except the Lions. Chad: But y you can see why though, like Byron: I still think the Lions have the most entertaining style of rugby out of all the South African sides. Chad: I'm still sharing blitz rugby. Let me Byron: It's fine, you c we've still got the URC to go through. Unless you wanted to show something else. Chad: No. Yeah, I know. But where would you rather go? Durban? Byron: yeah, close you can close blitz and we'll do the the predictions. Chad: Durban, Cape Town, or Joburg? Byron: While they'd live in Pretoria, it's not as if that makes a big difference. Chad: Yeah, they probably get paid more 'cause they pull more people into the fucking stadium than Ellis Park. For all eight people they go. Byron: That's so true. But r remember the when the Lions had Malcolm Marks, Franco Mastert, you know, all the the the Springboks from what is it, two thousand and Fifteen. Chad: Like fifteen, yeah. Byron: Ellis Park was full when we when we played the Crusaders in those two finals two years in a row. Ellis Park was full. Chad: The final's different though. That's any final's gonna be full. Byron: But even the group games, people were showing up at Ellis Park when the Lions Chad: Yeah. Byron: couldn't be beaten. It is a little slaugh that they have to go unbeaten in order for people to show up, but it's the stadium's fault. Chad: That's that's how sport works though. The only team that can win and nobody goes to their games is the fucking hurry games. Byron: The greatest super rugby season that you can imagine. They scored four million points in one season. People don't care. Chad: Like fuck that, I'm staying inside. I'd rather go to a Lions game in Johannesburg. Byron: Go watch the cats in the URC, in the NPC. Chad: Mm. Byron: No, I get it. I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it. What are the other games? unless you had more about the the South African derbies, because they were fun to watch. Chad: No, they were fun to watch. Just the amount of Springbox that were just floating around at once I was just thinking, I like, Yes, there's is a lot going on here. Byron: They were everywhere. Every benches on the field, in the stands, they were just springbox. Chad: But yeah, you can see because this is Johan Ackerman's first real season in the URC. 'Cause he came in what halfway through the last year's one? So and he's got he's got the players and Byron: Well, look, the sharks have the players. Chad: I know the Sha and the the Sharks have had the players for a couple of years now. And now they've they've losing some and maybe getting some. Did you see, speaking of players and the sharks, there's rumors that old Malcolm Marks might be joining El Sharcos. I don't think you'll go back to the Lions, Barn. Don't get your hopes up, but Byron: Brother, I can't with this. I can't. It's so hard to be a lion supporter, man. Also, what I do find interesting Chad: Because apparently mm Byron: is if you look at the URC, all the clubs are the club names. You've got Zebre Palmer, Edinburgh, Scarlet, Benetton, Uster, Munster, Lanster, Cardiff. For South Africa, you have the Vodacombulls, the Ten Bat Lions, the DHL Stormers, and the Hollywood Bed Sharks. Money talks, baby. Chad: While we are a profitable rugby nation and the others all are not. Byron: all right, the other results. Zebra Palmer lost 12-29 to Edinburgh. Scarlett narrowly beat Benetton 27-26. Shock result for me. the Ulster comeback to draw the game 26-26 against Munster was insane. Chad: Wild. Byron: Absolutely insane. And then Leinster just did what they did against Carlson. twenty nine five. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Shall I do predictions for next Chad: Top Byron: week? Chad: Yeah, do you wanna do it? You wanna bring them up? Bring it back up. I should have just left it here. Byron: No, that's why I a little iffy about it, but it's what it is. It is what it is. Lions go on tall, baby. Do the sharks go on tall too? Chad: They sure do. Byron: They sure do. Start at the top. Chad: Okay. Let's do this. Byron: Sharks beat Cardiff. They have to. stop. Chad: Four hundred and fifty points. Byron: This is not the game next week. This is there's a break in the URC now. It's the Investec Champions Cup. It's the first round of that. Chad: I'll stop sharing. Byron: It's the Investec Champions Cup and then the EPCR Challenge Cup as well. So I won't go over all the games because it was just a little too many. But we'll go over the South African games. So Chad: Stormers and Bristol Bayes. Whew, that'll be a good one. Byron: Wait now, are you looking at round one? Chad: Treem Seventeenth of October. Byron: there, Stormers. Oof, Stormers Bristol Bears is a good game. In Cape Town. Ooh. I'm obviously gonna say Stormers, but for Dormer. Chad: You have to go, Stormers. But even as I reckon Stormers win the one. I want is that all right, fucking rugby can't over here. Been watching too much of his Byron: Godverdomme is a Dutch say prick. Chad: you said I thought you were saying Let me have a look here. I love his fucking content. It's out of this world. Byron: New fuck this Ragbi Alo, he's the best. Shout out Rugby Khan. We love you. Excuse me. Chad: I can't go that far ahead in anyhow. Byron: it doesn't matter. Then we have Bulls vers Stud Francais Paris. I'm hoping for a Bulls win. Chad: Hoping. let's have a look here. Byron: Then oo man man man man the lions travel to France to play La Rochelle. Chad: Can I just sorry, can I just show you something? Again I have to buy another subscription to watch the E P C R here. Thank you. Surfshock. Byron: Shout out to shock. Where am I, where am I, where am I? yeah, lions go to La Rochelle. Chad: Hm Byron: I'm looking for a positive here, Chad. Please help me. Chad: The other people that voted think that the lions are gonna win. We both don't Byron: Really? Chad: though. Byron: Not after what the bulls did to them. Jesus Christ. Chad: No. Byron: Then hold on, we gotta see who the sharks are playing in the E P C L, the Challenge Cup. They're in the Challenge Cup. Chad: They're not in it. the challenge, challenge. Byron: I'll tell you now. Chad: Yeah, I've got it open here. We play against Leon. Byron: Lou Rugby Leon You should win that. You should win that. Chad: We win that. We score eight thousand and sixty nine points. we put fifty on them for sure. Byron: easy Taga. Chad: Look look at their last scores. Byron: Okay, I see ya. Yeah, yeah. It would be lovely though. Chad: La Rochelle put forty four on them. Sharks are better than La Rochelle. We put fifty on them. Byron: Bruh, I hope the Lions can beat Larashulk. You know I'm you know you know what great that would do to my psyche. okay, so that's that's next that's this weekend's fixtures. Chad: It is what is going on outside? Byron: They're they're they're busy putting up Chad: Kev Haldin. Byron: Scaffolding 'cause they're fixing the on all the houses, yeah. Chad: Can't I just get on the roof? Byron: It's not the roof they're fixing, it's the walls. They're replacing the panels on the outside with new panels. Alright, that is the URC, that is the MPC, that is the League World Rugby World Cup, that was Australia. What we haven't spoken about is the X fifteen, the W fifteen. Chad: I was like the X fifteen? What are you talking about here? Yeah. Byron: W fifteen. so the last one we spoke about was South Africa beating Spain 20 nil. Shout out to the ladies. and then we've got this week's fixtures. Cracker of a game again. The last one was a draw. We have Canada versus England. Chad: My God, there's so much rugby on this weekend. Hell yes. Byron: Epic. If you remember when Canada travelled to England, they drew 26-26. Chad: True. Yep. Byron: Now they're in Toronto. And Toronto. We'll see what happens there. Canada, England. then we have Australia, Scotland, and Sydney. Yeah, Sydney's a lack of place to be this weekend. and then in Hamilton, New Zealand will play France. And to round off the W fifteen, USA will play Italy in Texas. Chad: I don't understand why I don't get ads for the New Zealand Byron: The W fifteen Chad: yeah. Byron: for the the the black ferns. Chad: For any of this. But yes, for for the Blackburns particularly, had Byron: So this Chad: being here in New Zealand, playing France, in Hamilton. Byron: in Hamilton and you have no idea. Chad: Yeah. Byron: So this would be a great time for Sky Sports New Zealand who we constantly rag on because they can't do anything, right? Chad: Sorry, you just reminded me of something. I found my happy place this weekend scrolling through Facebook and I joined a Facebook group, Byron, that all they do is shit on Sky Sport. It is a thing it is a th Byron: s sick. Shout out sh Chad: thing of beauty. Byron: Why don't you give a shout out to the Facebook group name? Chad: I will. I'll have it off the top of my head on here. Byron: No, go find it. We'll go find it. I will Chad: Yeah. Byron: say while you're looking for it, the next time the s Lady Chad: I can't. Byron: Box play will be the following Saturday against Ireland in Cape Town. Capstart. Okay, tell us about that group. Shout out to Chad: I don't have the name and my phone's up here. So I I'll I'll Byron: Can't do anything. Chad: find it and I'll put it in the in the thing. Byron: Yo clip it when I say shout out to, and then we can edit in. Chad: Put it by Barn's head. Byron: I don't think any of us are good enough editors to do that, but we'll try it. And that's it. I think we've actually cut the KAK. Chad: No, you've missed USA versus Italy. Byron: No, I didn't. I said they're playing in Texas. Chad: you did. Maybe I just wasn't listening. Byron: No, you weren't listening because you were s talking you were thinking about that group. That made you so happy. Chad: Yeah. are you gonna give your predictions? Ca actually you don't have a choice. Predictions. Canada and England. Byron: For the lift. I'm gonna hope for a Canada win in Toronto. Toronto. Australia. Chad: Australia and Scotland, New Zealand, France. Byron: Black phones. Chad: And then USA and Italy. Byron: Italy. I think I'm wrong on that one, but at the moment I just can't say USA. Chad: I think you're wrong on that one too. Byron: I can't say USA at the moment. I can't I can't support anything they have. Chad: I Byron: Ha ha ha. Chad: wonder if there'll be any comms outages for okay. Byron: What? come Chad: Any Byron: funny guy. do you know what is interesting? And I really hope that we don't start to cover this because I don't think I have the mental capacity for it. But the NFL has been everywhere except the US this year. They've had Chad: Where else was it? Byron: there was there was a game in Australia and there's been two games in London this year so far already. Chad: What? London's a fucking cockfall way to travel from the US. Byron: And and Australia's close? Chad: But like are there direct flights? Because it's direct flights from Byron: Yeah. Chad: the US. Byron: Yeah yeah direct flats from the east coast. Chad: Yeah, I suppose so. Byron: It's only like a s an eight hour flight from the East Coast? Chad: Really? Byron: Yeah. Chad: Fuck, I thought it was way more. I thought it was like a seventeen hour flight. Byron: No, no, no. It's under ten. Chad: Okay, well there we go. We know. Byron: It's under ten from the east coast to the Netherlands and that's closer. I mean further away. Not by much, but Chad: Yeah. Byron: Alright. That's it. We've cut the c I can't I actually I'm looking forward to the league opener. I really am. Chad: Well, it's in two days and twenty three hours. Byron: Perfect. Thanks for letting me now. Chad: And then we get to watch it pool A and then Friday we get to watch pool B and C. Byron: Yeah, that mm. I'm not okay with this. I'm not not okay. It's why can't league do anything the right way? Chad: fucking dunno. I don't know what's worse. I've got a question for you. I've got a question for Byron: But there's been years. There's ye Chad: you. What is worse? The way league do their finals and groups and stuff? Or league scrum? Byron: Caesar's chat. I I'm gonna say the finals and the groups. The only reason Chad: I agree. Byron: the only reason for that is because there's maybe one scrum an entire league game. So you only you only get embarrassed for all of those players once, maybe twice a game. But I've gotta look at these pulls for the next five weeks. But both of them that's a horrible question, actually. You know the the Chad: no. Byron: the the game the the the would you rather? Chad: Yeah. Byron: Would you rather be in a league scrum or be part of the league planning committee? Chad: I don't think there's a league planning committee. And maybe there should be one. Byron: Actually, you know what? If you drop it into Chat GPT, they'd give you a better outcome. And you don't even need to think. Chad: Hundred percent. Byron: Wow. Okay. Well, thank you for watching, everybody. Next week, like Chad said, we're gonna predict again, see if anything has changed, for the twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup from our last prediction show. Chad: No, next week we are we're doing both. Let next week's just gonna be a World Cup. We're gonna do league and union? Byron: we are predicting the league. Yeah, f let's just do a World Cup show. Cut the KAK. All the Rugbies. Chad: Fucking cut the cacqual cup. Byron: All the Rugbies World Cup. Actually not a bad name for the episode. All the Rugbies with an apostrophe, yes. World Cup. Chad: There we go. Look at it look at us doing planning for the first time in fifty one episodes. Byron: No, because by the time episode fifty two comes around, we've forgotten about the end of this episode and we do something completely different. Chad: No, no, we we we will coping next week. That's what we're doing. I like it. Byron: what else? We're also excited for Hong Kong. Shout out to to everyone involved in that. Can't wait for the sevens. And that's it. Please like, share, subscribe. Ask your uncle to watch us. I'm sure he'd like it. And that's it. Thanks for watching.