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How Storytelling Shapes Confidence, Presence, and Success with Sandra Bargman · Abbey the Podcast Lady

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  Hello? And welcome back to another episode of
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  Abby, the podcast lady. I always love when I
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  get to have a guest on. And today we have our
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  new friend, Sandra, joining us. Hello, Sandra.
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  Hello, Abby. It's so great to see you. Thanks
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  for having me on. And it's super exciting. Before
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  we started really rolling with the podcast, she's
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  actually coming to us from New York City today,
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  which is super exciting and exotic for people
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  in my neck of the woods. We think we're fancy
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  because we have two targets. That's about it.
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  Sandra, if you could just give us like a 10 ,000
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  foot overview of who you are and what you do.
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  I was going through your link tree and there's
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  so many cool things that you do. So if you could
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  just kind of like rattle a few of them off, that'd
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  be great. Oh my goodness. Thank you, Abby. Well,
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  I popped out of the womb singing, dancing and
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  acting. And that has gone on to be my very first
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  and still going career. But I was also the kid
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  in the corner that had the antenna that could
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  really read the energy of the room. I was profoundly
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  interested in all things spiritual or metaphysical.
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  I mean, I had a fascination with cemeteries as
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  a little kid. You know, I was always asking,
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  who am I? Why am I here? I was asking those questions.
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  So I pursued acting, have had and still continue
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  to have a nice career. I've also done a lot of
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  voiceover work. And in my mid -40s, the spiritual
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  journey and inquiry that I was constantly involved
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  with really cracked open. I went into seminary.
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  I started life coaching because that was a new
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  thing back then. And in fact, I learned about
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  it when I was on tour in the national tour of
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  Cinderella with Eartha Kitt. Anyway, the woman
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  who played the prince's mother, the queen, she
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  was life coaching and she suggested that I look
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  into it. She thought I would be good at it. And
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  around this time, I was really connecting with
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  my service mentality, wanting to be in service
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  to others. So I got some clients and started
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  getting credentials, et cetera. And then. I saw
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  the word interfaith on someone's website and
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  this light bulb went off. And so I instantly
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  started looking for interfaith seminaries in
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  New York City. And there were two at the time.
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  And within a couple of weeks, I had been interviewed
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  and enrolled. And so I went through seminary.
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  I was ordained after a two -year seminary journey,
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  then took another two -year seminary journey
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  to become a spiritual counselor, certified, and
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  going along doing both ministry. And I created
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  a company called Sacred Stages. that combined
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  my performing background with my ministry, created
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  a one -woman show, The Edge of Every Day, that
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  talked about my spiritual leadership and the
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  concepts I believed in, woven in with music and
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  comedy and all those things, and was doing that
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  and having a blast with it. Then COVID hit, and
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  all the weddings went poof. And all the shows
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  went poof. And my husband moved into my office
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  and seamlessly leaving his office and taking
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  over mine. Anyway, I started thinking about what
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  do I want to do now? How can I perform? And I
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  got the idea to do a podcast. I wasn't particularly
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  interested in podcasting at that time. I didn't
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  know anything about it. But, you know, rather
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  than just be depressed, let me take these concepts
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  that I'm exploring and wanting to share alongside
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  of my desire, deep desire. to uplift people's
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  voices, particularly women. And I turned it into
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  a podcast, The Edge of Every Day. Around that
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  same time, I had been working with people on
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  voice presence and storytelling, but I really
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  decided, okay, this is something I can really
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  do on Zoom as well. So let me be a little more
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  aggressive about getting a shingle out there.
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  And so that all just took off as well. So it's
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  really about helping people what to say, how
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  to say it, and why it's important. Really, it's
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  at the heart of everything I do, Abby. my acting,
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  my spiritual journey and my teaching of all of
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  these voice presence and storytelling concepts.
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  It is so wonderful how it all weaves together.
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  Like if you just glance at it, you're like, how
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  in the world could any of these things possibly
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  be connected? But when you explain it, it all
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  is just seamlessly like, yes, that weaves right
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  into that, which weaves into that, which all
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  makes this beautiful like tapestry of Sandra.
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  Yeah, I love that. Totally. And I feel that,
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  you know, I'm always somewhat shocked at the
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  occasional questioning that I get that how is
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  an actor also a minister? And I'm a bit flummoxed
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  by that because I, you know, the spiritual journey,
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  the creative journey is the spiritual journey,
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  in my opinion. And I understand that perfectly.
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  Thanks for that. I love the tapestry imagery.
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  Yeah. And as someone who also works in the wedding
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  industry, I'm not just a podcast producer. I'm
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  also a wedding DJ. So I work with a lot of ministers.
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  And doing a wedding with you, I can just tell
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  it'd be so much fun, like right off the bat.
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  How many weddings do you do a year? We would
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  have a blast. Well, I have to say, I don't do
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  as many as I used to. I'm going to say I do about
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  20. That's a lot. I used to. Well, I think now,
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  as you probably know, the trend is people are
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  choosing. to potentially save a few bucks by
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  not having an actual professional do it. They
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  want somebody that knows them, maybe their uncle,
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  maybe an older friend of the family, et cetera,
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  et cetera. Why not get that? I really understand
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  that impulse, and I understand weddings can be,
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  you know, when I hear what people are charging
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  for flowers, I'm just flabbergasted. I'm like,
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  I think I need to raise my prices. But then they
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  learn. that there's a real skill to crafting
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  a ritual. They understand that this is the reason
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  why we're here, by the way. We're here for this
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  transformative moment that you open a sacred
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  space to become, to step into this archetype
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  of marriage and to welcome your community into
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  that sacred space. So it's incredibly important,
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  in my opinion, obviously, that you get someone
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  that's... if not gifted, understands how to craft
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  that and to have, can hold that space, has the
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  authority to do that. It's a bit sad that I feel
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  like we're coming out of that trend now. I think
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  people are starting to realize that it's, you
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  know, and it's fun. I've had some weddings recently
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  where they actually did have somebody lined up
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  and it was sort of last minute, like, oh, this
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  is not working out. I have to go and find somebody.
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  I know it's a little like, well, hey, at least
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  they woke up to it and they could have the wedding
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  that they wanted. Take my husband with me on
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  all of it. It's just a beautiful thing to experience
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  being somebody's beautiful day. It's like the
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  great marriage of acting and ministry. It's like
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  this just happy performance and really heartfelt
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  and spirit filled. Well, and it's so great when
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  there is an awesome officiant doing the wedding
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  because as the DJ, I do a lot of the ceremonies
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  too. So I'll set up at the ceremony site, run
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  the audio. And like, I can tell when it's a true
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  professional coming in because they're like,
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  okay, where's my microphone? Let's do a mic check.
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  And I'm like, oh, usually I'm the one asking.
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  for you to do this. This is so nice. They're
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  like running it for me. I'm like, this is fabulous.
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  Totally. Totally. I had to wear, which of course
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  I can't think of, but yeah, it goes down in the
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  back. I used to bring a fanny pack for a little
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  mic pack, but I stopped doing that because most
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  weddings don't use that. But the poor guy, he
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  comes up to me and he was like, I'm going to
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  need to put this on you. I said, listen, I've
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  been wearing these my entire life before you
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  were born and I don't have the correct undergarments.
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  So I'm going to have to do this myself. My husband
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  was right there and he laughed. And the young
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  man, he was probably half my age, just looked.
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  kind of all blushed. And we're good. We're good,
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  my friend. I've got it. No worries. Don't got
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  to worry about me. That's amazing. So I would
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  love to dive a little bit more into your life
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  coaching path, because I feel like this is something
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  that you mentioned, you kind of got in on it
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  before it was like really common. I feel like
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  nowadays, we kind of understand more of what
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  a life coach does. But what was your journey
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  when you were first getting started out with
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  that? Well, as I mentioned, it really sprang
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  out of this blossoming, wanting to be in service
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  to people. I was not surprisingly the person
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  that people open up to very easily and tell me
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  their stories and their secrets. That's always
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  been the case, even when I was a young person.
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  Back then, life coaching, there wasn't 8 million
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  of them. So it was still kind of interesting
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  and new. But for me personally, I didn't love
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  that journey, the life coaching. I felt for me
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  personally, it didn't have the depth that I wanted.
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  And that's why when the interfaith word popped
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  out on this woman's website, a life coach, interfaith
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  minister. I was like, that, I just knew that
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  was the way that I wanted to go. And at the time,
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  I couldn't have articulated to you what a minister
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  was. I mean, I grew up in the Christian church.
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  I was raised a Presbyterian and I loved the iconography
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  of the church. I loved the music. I loved the
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  ritual. obviously. But I was pretty clear by
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  high school at the latest that organized religion
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  was not for me, but I wanted something. But I
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  knew that my spiritual life was of utmost importance,
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  my spiritual inquiry, my interest and curiosity
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  in how people feel expanded. What is their version?
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  Which is not to say if you're, you know, I work
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  with many of my couples have a variety of spiritual
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  understandings and traditions. So it's really
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  evolved. through the spiritual counseling and
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  being present to what's happening in your life
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  at the moment that's really urging, helping you
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  move forward into finding out what it is you
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  want out of your life. Now, how this merged with...
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  And I don't call myself a coach. Other people
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  do. I call myself a teacher. I really feel that
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  I have a teacher essence and I come from a lineage
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  of teachers on my mother's side. So I really
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  love that. And so this understanding of melding
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  all of the actor skills, you know, actors are
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  brilliant human beings. And I say that not because
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  they're particularly smart, although my husband
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  always says the actors are the smartest people
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  I know, but because they're willing to know themselves.
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  more deeply because who they are is their instrument
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  so they need to know their body they need to
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  know their voice they need to know their breath
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  they need to know how they're moving how they're
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  being perceived what is their intention how is
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  their presence and they're playful and they're
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  willing to take risks and try things on and make
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  mistakes all of those are incredible skills so
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  if you combine all of that with the spiritual
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  intelligence spiritual counseling the mindfulness
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  the deep listening, which is also an actor skill
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  with the spiritual journeys also know thyself,
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  just like the actors is. And when you combine
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  those, which I've done, and I had to come up
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  with a name for it for one particular website
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  that I'm listed on a few years back, and I came
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  up with a big approach. Big period, I period,
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  G period. But importantly, it's based on the
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  three pillars of who I am and what I think is
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  important in impactful communication and presence
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  in voice and storytelling. The B is for breath.
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  All begins with breath. That is the number one
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  thing. It all starts there. And then breath moves
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  into voice. Voice is breath made resonant. Everything
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  goes from there. And then into the voice, the
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  diction, the tone, etc. All of those skills.
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  Then you move into... The I, which is the intention,
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  I think a lot of people fall down here with their
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  impactful communication because they don't think
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  about what they want. It's very good to be thinking
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  about what your audience wants. Absolutely. But
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  you've got to weave into, as an actor knows,
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  what do I want from this conversation? What do
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  I need, want from, be it one person, be it an
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  audience, be it your board of directors, whomever.
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  What do I want first and foremost, which can
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  include? What does whomever I'm speaking with
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  want in that service mentality? And then G stands
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  for genuineness, aka presence. And when we think
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  about people who have a lot of presence, they're
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  very genuine. They're confident in their skin.
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  I don't necessarily say charismatic because my
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  understanding of charisma can be a little bit
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  not a good thing. It can be very self -serving,
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  very narcissistic, which is not to say every
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  charismatic person is this. just like to say,
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  I'm staying away from that word charisma and
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  I'm sticking with great presence. And I think
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  also people can forget or get a little tripped
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  up with what presence means. Like, well, she's
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  an actor. Of course she has presence. No, everyone
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  has presence. It means being secure and confident
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  in who you are and in your own story, what you
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  tell about yourself and what you share with others,
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  what you tell to yourself and what you share
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  about yourself. Just being confident in that.
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  And that can be very. Doesn't have to be loud,
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  can be very quiet, but very focused. And you
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  know it when you see it. People who are just
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  can hold the attention and they can laugh at
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  themselves. They can take risks. That's true
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  presence. So that's what I help people do is
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  to really take the mask off and just get a truer,
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  more real sense of your own story. The story
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  you tell about yourself and what you share with
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  others. People always get, they get a little
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  afraid. They think, oh, I don't really have a
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  lot of stories about myself. That's totally.
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  not, of course you do. And I'm going to help
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  you curate them. And we're going to pull them
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  out and we're going to find themes and ways of
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  bridging that into who you are today. And it's
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  all going to make sense. When you're mentioning
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  the presence, it felt like a Rolodex of people
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  in my head of like, oh yeah, when Eric walks
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  into a room, it's like, it's just good vibes.
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  It's just good energy. You know, he's there.
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  He's going to crack some jokes. He's going to
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  make everyone feel good. He's going to make everyone
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  feel important. My friend Liz will do that. Like,
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  it's just, you think of these people who have
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  this amazing presence and it's not braggy. It's
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  not in your face. It's just, I'm here and I'm
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  here to make things better. I love that. I'm
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  here to make things better. I'm here to uplift
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  myself and you all. That's so great. So how are
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  you working with people? Is it like a online
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  video kind of thing? Is it one on one zoom calls?
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  Like what's kind of the actual physical process
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  of working on this kind of stuff? My most recent
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  place where I'm doing it, which I'm totally loving,
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  and this is going to be my call to action to
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  is a place magic thread media. It is a new network
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  that was started in december of 2025 by a woman
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  named amy lynn durham who herself has a top two
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  percent podcast called create magic at work now
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  i am a teacher on her create magic at work website
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  but this new network where i've moved my podcast
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  hello which has been a fantastic move magic thread
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  media she's curating voices that are in alignment
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  with her message and she's also got a publishing
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  arm to the network, but it's really a media center.
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  She's getting clients coming to her that want
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  to potentially start a podcast, and they would
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  want to come on your podcast, that want to be
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  guests on a podcast, maybe both, maybe have just
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  a few that they can get into somebody else's
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  podcast and interview and have sort of host their
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  own for a short number of episodes, or they might
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  want to write a book, but they're there to hone
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  that message. often they come to me and we work
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  on their storytelling. With these particular
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  people, it's not necessarily I'm working with
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  them on their voice and diction, but I'm working
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  with them on their tone and on their intention.
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  And how are they telling their story? What is
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  your message? And what are the stories that you
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  can weave together that really tell how you constructed
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  what it is you do today? Like I went through
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  mine, you know, just weaving it together and
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  how I got to this point. This is what I do. And
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  this is the message. I have. So in doing all
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  of that, I work with those people primarily online.
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  I'm also at a website, maximizeyou .life. And
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  those are primarily people with that I do voice
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  and diction with. It's primarily India and they're
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  moving into the Philippines and they're going
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  to be needing some actual voice and speech and
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  how to, you know, English pronunciation, that
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  sort of thing. That is so cool. Like what a special
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  skill set you have to help people in different
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  sectors. That's so needed. It is so needed. And,
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  you know, in these challenging times in which
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  we find ourselves empowering people, particularly
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  women, to uplift and share their voice, there
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  is no bigger mission in my life. And I swear
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  to God, that's been my mission since I was a
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  little kid. My mother, it's not funny that she
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  was on her deathbed, my friend, but she told
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  me, believe it or not, when she was on her deathbed
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  and we both had a glorious laugh, she had never
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  told me this story. She said to me that when
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  I was about three or four years old, had walked
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  into the kitchen, little itty bitty me with my
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  hands on my hips. And I told her that I was here
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  on a mission. She and I laughed. It was such
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  a gift to be with her at that time. That is so
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  special. And here you are still on that mission,
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  helping people out. Making dreams happen. That's
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  my hope is to uplift and help people be the best
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  versions that they want and to feel heard and
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  seen and listened to. That's amazing. And how
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  has having your podcast helped in that mission?
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  Oh my gosh, Abby, it has changed my life immeasurably.
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  I started to tell you, I didn't really hadn't
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  listened to podcasts. I wasn't a podcaster. And
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  quite honestly, when I was thinking about doing
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  it, I was like, oh, we need another. Everyone
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  was doing it in COVID. And I was like, we. need
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  another podcaster. Like we need a hole in the
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  head. My girlfriends, they were so helpful to
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  me. Listen, you've got a perspective that people
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  need to hear about. And if five people listen,
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  that's enough. If 500 people, that's okay, whatever.
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  And I personally needed to uplift my own voice
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  and not a character voice, my own voice, my own
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  point of view, which was what the Edge of Every
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  Day solo show was all about, was stepping forward
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  with my own words. And so that It was extraordinary
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  for me and the storytelling that I get to do
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  on the podcast and sharing the storytelling and
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  the importance of storytelling. But I've got
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  great guests that are wonderful at storytelling,
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  a variety of storytelling. So that's been good
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  for me. It's only been recently that I've really
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  honed it to talk a lot about voice and speech
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  and storytelling and that I do that and putting
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  commercials into and really reminding people
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  that I do this and, you know. utilizing it to
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  really monetize it it's been a slow process for
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  me and i only drop you'll see i only drop by
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  monthly because i do all these other things when
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  i started out i did it every week and it just
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  consumed my everything when i went off to do
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  a show i was like crazy. It just didn't flow
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  for me, which is part of the reason why I left
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  the first place that I started, but they were
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  so helpful. And I'll do another plug for Magic
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  Thread Media. Do you have a network or just,
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  you just work with people to helping them get
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  their podcasts started? Yeah. So I'm the producer
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  for 10 different shows every single week. They
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  record their audio, send it to me. I do all their
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  audio editing, video editing, social media stuff
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  for them. So then they don't have to do it. If
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  you're just starting out, you go with Abby or
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  you go with Magic Thread Media because it's overwhelming
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  and it's so helpful to learn the process by watching
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  and listening what's happening. And I started
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  out at talkradio .nyc. Then I went to another
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  platform and now with Magic Thread Media and
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  you can cross promote in the whole nine yards.
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  So it helps build audience, et cetera. So my
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  process has been slower than an average podcaster
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  because I, first of all, I didn't have a huge
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  niche. My audience there, I have a lot of different
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  voices on there. It's not a spiritual show per
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  se, but I look. through the lens of as a spiritual
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  being. So the way I talk about everything and
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  how I frame questions and the willingness to
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  go deep is all through that lens. But it's a
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  variety of voices. So I have to pull out the
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  storytelling and highlight that to bring it back
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  to the voice presence and storytelling teaching.
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  Yeah. Like I said, I've been binging your show
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  lately. The one you just did on past life regression.
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  Oh, isn't that cool? Such a fun topic. Oh my
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  goodness. That was such a cool episode. She was
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  amazing. She was Karen Kubico. Shout out to you.
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  She's originally or not originally still from
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  Pittsburgh, which was where I grew up. And we
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  had such a fun time discovering that. And she's
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  got different sessions. She can have a past life
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  regression. You can have a spiritual guide session,
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  like a psychic reading, or you can get a combination
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  of the two. And she allowed me to pick. And of
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  course I got the combination of the two. It was
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  three hours long. Oh my. goodness. It was amazing.
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  The tendrils that we explored and that had a
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  regression that absolutely deals with something
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  that I'm dealing in my present life. It was fascinating.
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  As I say in my trailer, there's nothing taboo
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  for my show. I've had a dominatrix on. I'm having
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  her back on again. She just has a new book out.
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  Nothing that I want people to feel afraid of
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  talking about on my show. I want to demystify
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  so many of these things, which is not to say
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  you have to believe. in doing it. You don't have
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  to believe in past life regressions, but by all
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  means, be curious about it. Yeah. And listen
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  to her and contemplate it for yourself. Explore
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  it for yourself. Don't listen to what everyone
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  else, all the noise around you. That's why I
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  want to get into these edgy edge of everyday
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  conversations. It was really fun. As I was listening
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  to that, when I was driving and I can see the
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  roundabout I was going through in my head, when
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  I had this thought, I'm like hearing things like
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  this, just reinforce the fact that I'm a believer
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  in everything. Like I cannot be siloed as a person
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  because I hear different. perspectives and it
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  all makes sense to me. I'm like, I can see why
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  they believe that. I can see why they believe
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  that. I believe that too. I believe everything.
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  And it's just cool that I was listening to your
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  show as I was having that thought about myself.
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  And it was just really fun. Your show was fantastic.
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  Oh, thank you. You are fantastic. And I intend
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  to listen to your podcast much more now that
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  I've met you in kind of in person. In screen.
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  If people want to work with you, how do they
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  connect with you? What's the first steps they
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  should take? How do they reach out to you? you?
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  What's the best course of action for that? Well,
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  if you want a voice presence and storytelling
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  session with me, go to magicthreadmedia .com
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  and you can set up a 20 minute conversation and
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  decide how it is you would like to work with
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  me. I also have my website, sandrabarchman .com,
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  the edge of everyday podcast. You can find that
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  on all of your favorite podcast platforms. And
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  I'm also all over social media, LinkedIn, Facebook.
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  I'm on blue sky. I would say Go to magicthreadmedia
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  .com for the 20 -minute call or directly on my
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  website, on my contact sheet. Sandra Bargman.
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  Wonderful. And they're both beautifully built
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  websites. I don't know who made them, but they
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  look fantastic and they're really easy to navigate.
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  Oh, thank you. Oh, thanks, Abby. It's been a
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  long time in the making. Thank you. Thank you,
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  Sandra. This has been so wonderful. This time
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  together has just been, it's flown by. It's really
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  flown by. You're fantastic, Abby. You are wonderful
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  at this and just a joy as a person to spend time
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  with. So thank you so much for asking me on.
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  And thanks to your listeners for having a listen.