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Green and Gold Brothers Episode 9 · Green and Gold Brothers

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SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, the place, all things Packers related.
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0:19
SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast.
0:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm Zach.
0:22
SPEAKER_00: And I'm Cody.
0:23
SPEAKER_00: Our Green Bay Packers got their first victory of the season.
0:26
SPEAKER_00: They took down the New York Jets 20 to 17.
0:29
SPEAKER_00: It took overtime to get it done, but what a game, man.
0:33
SPEAKER_00: I was on the edge of my seat for most of it.
0:37
SPEAKER_01: I will admit I uh I kinda I did turn it off for a little bit.
0:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh partially because of I don't know, I have a weird superstition.
0:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh it really kinda bothers me sometimes that I feel like I turn it off and uh they they tend to play a little bit better when I'm not watching, which which kind of sucks because I want to watch them.
0:57
SPEAKER_01: Um I don't do it often, but that one was kind of it was it was rough.
1:02
SPEAKER_00: There was uh a split second there where I planned on turning it off, but I just couldn't couldn't bring myself to shut it off.
1:11
SPEAKER_01: So I think you did text me that I'm shutting it off.
1:14
SPEAKER_01: And like, okay, well if you're gonna maybe I won't, and then I'm like, no, I I'm I'm gonna for a minute.
1:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it overall, um a lot of things that need to be cleaned up in my opinion.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Way too many penalties.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: Again.
1:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's one of those things where it might start becoming a habit.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: It happened week one, happened week two.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: But a win's a win.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, not gonna feel bad about it.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: Feel a hell of a lot better now than I would have if we would have ended up letting that one slip away.
1:49
SPEAKER_01: So I honestly it was it was a nice uh change of pace, I guess you can call it, to sort of do the reverse.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: And I'll take credit or blame, I guess.
2:01
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, however you want to look at it.
2:03
SPEAKER_01: I I asked for that, didn't I?
2:05
SPEAKER_01: I said that uh we don't need to score in the first quarter as long as we outscore them in the fourth.
2:09
SPEAKER_01: Give yourself some credit, man.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: That was and that's exactly what we did.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: We uh, you know, they took it a little too far and picked up their first first down as the clock was expiring in the first quarter.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:20
SPEAKER_01: I I didn't mean that, but hey, I guess we'll take it.
2:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, I guess we'll just hop in right away to some of our thoughts.
2:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, injuries.
2:30
SPEAKER_00: It's a part of the game we talk about a lot on here.
2:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh we kind of lost two big pieces on the first three plays of offense.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was rough.
2:39
SPEAKER_00: Jaden Reed went out, got stretchered off with uh originally reported as a neck injury.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: Reports came out that it's actually a back injury.
2:48
SPEAKER_00: I think that was just just this afternoon.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: I think I just saw that.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: So not ideal there.
2:54
SPEAKER_00: Um and then Zach Bakabawele, our starting right tackle.
2:58
SPEAKER_00: Kind of gutted for him, a guy that came back from a pretty gruesome injury last season and got himself right, ready to play, you know, in time to start this season.
3:08
SPEAKER_00: And they had him in the air cast, and it looked like it's probably gonna be majority of the season he's gonna miss, if not all season.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: And Olifleur after the game didn't seem very optimistic about it.
3:21
SPEAKER_00: So I said that one could be a long one.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: So that's that's frustrating.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: I did I did see that uh update as well that uh it's how did he they put it, or it was worded that could potentially be season ender, which I guess is somewhat of a positive spin, but that's you know, just barely grasping on to nothing really.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably gonna be an IR and and he'll be done.
3:47
SPEAKER_01: It it's interesting, it didn't look horrible.
3:51
SPEAKER_00: No, in real time I thought, you know, maybe he just got rolled up on.
3:55
SPEAKER_00: I guess I didn't see the play and right away, and then they showed it back in slow-mo, and I still couldn't really identify exactly what happened, but I couldn't see it either.
4:03
SPEAKER_01: So I is that the same leg?
4:06
SPEAKER_01: I believe so.
4:07
SPEAKER_01: So I hope he didn't re-injure it.
4:10
SPEAKER_00: His right leg, I believe it was.
4:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:12
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, um, not ideal there.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: Um I I think with the Jaden Reed injury, um, hopefully it's not long term.
4:22
SPEAKER_00: I know Green Bay takes the back and the neck injuries very seriously when it comes.
4:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at Luke Musgrave for example.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: He's still on the PUP list, or he still hasn't practiced once, and that's been a neck injury all the way back to OTAs, I believe.
4:38
SPEAKER_00: So I guess prayers up for both of them.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: Hope it's not long term, and maybe we can get Jaden Reed back.
4:45
SPEAKER_00: On the plus side, um, this isn't a dig at Jaden Reed.
4:49
SPEAKER_00: I did ask last week in our episode, you know, I want to see a little more out of him.
4:53
SPEAKER_01: I think they listened to you because I'm pretty sure the first play was designed that ended up being a busted play, was designed to go to him, and then they got it to him on the next play, which then you saw what happened, but they were listening.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: Something happened there.
5:07
SPEAKER_00: But back to what I was saying with Jaden Reed, uh, this isn't a dig at him.
5:13
SPEAKER_00: Um I think out of the top three receivers that we have, Jaden Reed's the one that we can get by without the most.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: Sky Moore has a very similar skill set.
5:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and Bo Melton, he's had tons of reps with Jordan on the offense.
5:30
SPEAKER_00: I think he's a guy you can sneak in there too.
5:33
SPEAKER_01: They did run both week one and yesterday uh a little bit, they they threw Christian Watson in the slot, and it has been wildly effective.
5:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's dangerous if you think about that.
5:44
SPEAKER_01: That's a 6'4 gazelle in a slot.
5:47
SPEAKER_01: Like I I love it.
5:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm all for it.
5:50
SPEAKER_01: If that's uh a game plan moving forward, you know, once John Smith becomes a little more comfortable and and Tucker gets his his legs back under him, you could see some creativity there.
6:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, either split out Johnu or even you know split Tucker and have John who be the inline and then throw Christian Watson in the slot with Golden.
6:10
SPEAKER_01: That's that's some potential for for some nice looking plays.
6:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm like I said, just hopeful that Reed's only out for a while, just because I mean you signed him to that contract this offseason, and you went to the game.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: Thankfully it was team friendly.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: It was.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: And I just want to see him see him progress with the team and the offense, and I just I had visions in my head, and we'll we'll see what happens.
6:35
SPEAKER_00: But um I guess we'll hop off the injuries here.
6:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh there was a long list of them, I guess, too.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: I um Donovan Jennings left the game.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: Aaron Banks, that was a frustrating one.
6:46
SPEAKER_00: He left the game uh, I believe before halftime.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: Just before, I think, because yeah, then he was done in the first half.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh he didn't play it at all in the second.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: I I don't know.
6:57
SPEAKER_01: Man, I'm I'm about to the point where Aaron Banks can be the backup even when he's healthy.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: He he looked good.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: And the offensive line looked a lot better.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, they looked way better.
7:08
SPEAKER_01: They they ran the ball a little bit in in the first quarter and even into the the second quarter with him in there.
7:15
SPEAKER_01: But then if if you're not gonna be healthy, like the that doesn't help the offense, it doesn't help anything.
7:22
SPEAKER_00: That's the thing that frustrates me the most is it wasn't a re-aggravated injury, it was a new injury.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: Because I think he went in with uh a knee, knee injury.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of what's been holding him out throughout training camp and uh the week one game against the Vikings.
7:36
SPEAKER_00: This new injury is a foot injury, toe.
7:38
SPEAKER_00: Toe, yeah.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: Probably turf toe.
7:40
SPEAKER_01: So that's that's which those suck.
7:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I never realized growing up, you know, being a younger kid and watching football, how serious turf toe was.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: I thought a guy just stubbed his toe and want to be out there, but they really need to rename that because I've never experienced personal experienced it personally, but from what I've heard it is excruciating pain.
8:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: So then Donovan Jennings came in to replace Aaron Banks, and I think it was third quarter, late third quarter, early fourth quarter, Donovan Jennings goes out with a hand injury.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: Which I guess neither of us realized at the time that he even was hurt.
8:21
SPEAKER_01: We thought he just kind of got maybe not benched completely, but got pulled.
8:26
SPEAKER_00: That's what I thought.
8:27
SPEAKER_00: I've seen a lot of stuff on social media the last week here.
8:32
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people wanting to see Jagger Burton in, asking, well, why is it Jennings over Burton?
8:38
SPEAKER_00: And the reason we were given was he had more time on task, which he's a rookie, Burton is, so I get you know, throwing him in a huge game like that against the Vikings week one is it's a lot to ask for a young guy.
8:50
SPEAKER_00: Um Jennings has been with the team three years now, so I understand the reasoning why.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: Especially the first couple games, even the first month.
8:59
SPEAKER_01: I I I'm with you, I I get that.
9:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:03
SPEAKER_00: So um trying to think, there was one or two other injuries, I think.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: I think Bo Melton was out for a little bit.
9:09
SPEAKER_00: He came back.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: Jacob Monk got looked at because I read today that they were they were really hurting.
9:15
SPEAKER_01: Like they they actually had a conversation about playing Tucker Kraft at tackle because they were down to four healthy linemen for thankfully for no stretch, but Monk was getting looked at and was able to come back into the game, thankfully.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that'd be insane.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: Imagine Tucker Kraft coming in and having to play tackle for you.
9:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how he would handle.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's a he's a hell of a man, but that's where you obviously you run away from him.
9:41
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: You run everything.
9:43
SPEAKER_01: I it would handcuff the offense for sure, but I think it in a pinch it would be doable.
9:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh on that note, too, with the offensive line, um, obviously some injuries.
9:55
SPEAKER_01: Jennings don't know if he'll be back, but they did have two guys that were inactive, uh, that were healthy scratches.
10:03
SPEAKER_01: So you got John Williams still, and then uh I forget about Travis Glover.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: And then they have they they have two guys on the practice squad too.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: So they they should be okay, especially on a quick turnaround short week, uh, to at least be able to cover it.
10:21
SPEAKER_01: You know, you can obviously have those two guys that were inactive will be active, and then you can probably call up both the guys from the practice squad just to make sure, especially on a short week with lack of recovery time.
10:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:36
unknown: Yeah.
10:36
SPEAKER_00: Speaking about the O-line since you mentioned it, um, another thing I've been seeing online on Twitter mostly, a lot of fans just kind of curious, you know, who's out there, who's available, are there free agents?
10:49
SPEAKER_00: Can we trade for a guy?
10:50
SPEAKER_00: I hate to tell you, but this time of year, I mean, it's it's week two.
10:55
SPEAKER_00: Trade deadline is what before Thanksgiving usually?
10:59
SPEAKER_00: Something like end of October, middle October, end of October.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: The market for a guard or a tackle, I mean, we already don't have a first round pick next year.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it's gonna take to get a guy like that.
11:11
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of the guys that are out there that are free agents, I hate to say it, they're there's a reason.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: There's a free a there's a reason they're free agents, and I don't know the reasons why I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I do, but it was uh sort of a national thing.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: It was very noteworthy across the league.
11:26
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't just us, but the offensive line in preseason play was not very good, and that was across the board.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: So not only are we in that spot, but so is everybody else.
11:38
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
11:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't think there's a single team, to be quite honest with you, that feels really good about their depth top to bottom on the offensive line.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: You know, that sure there's a couple that probably feel better than most or better than some, but for the most part, if if one of your starters goes down and it's it's one of your main guys, you know, your your left tackle or your right tackle or or your best offensive lineman, they're gonna be hurting just like we are.
12:07
SPEAKER_01: So that really decreases the likelihood of anybody being willing to part with anybody that they would feel comfortable playing.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's what I was getting at there for sure.
12:20
SPEAKER_00: Is it's just there's you you have to make do with what you got.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: We did go sign a guy um last week.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: Um I can't I'm struggling with his name right now.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: Off the Bengals practice squad.
12:36
SPEAKER_01: Olson was his last name.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: Former starter.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: He definitely could step in in a pinch, especially, you know, on a short week, like I said.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: It's a typical Brian Gudakun's move.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go get a veteran, you know, a guy that has a decent track record.
12:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's done an all-pro, never will be, but a guy that has played some NFL football, been around for a while.
12:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Hootie's done this with tons of players in the past.
13:02
SPEAKER_01: That's the other thing.
13:03
SPEAKER_01: Everybody, I I've seen some things today too that we're talking about, you know.
13:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, if you want to put blame on anybody, put it on him because he knew our offensive line was a weakness and didn't do anything about it.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: The last time he did something about it, everybody whined about it anyway.
13:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:16
SPEAKER_01: They went and got Aaron Banks, and okay, I absolutely do agree, especially now after him not playing very much.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: I thought the contract was okay at the time as long as he performed.
13:29
SPEAKER_00: And he should have performed based on his resume in San Francisco.
13:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
13:33
SPEAKER_00: I I don't know what happened if money changed him, if you know age caught up.
13:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's not old either, but I just I don't know.
13:41
SPEAKER_00: Maybe a few unlucky breaks for him, and then he's just injury prone now.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: But so so yeah, like I I was okay with it at the time, but because he hasn't played, that is an overpay.
13:55
SPEAKER_01: But again, that was one of the offensive linemen on the market.
13:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we needed it, and he went and made a move, and everybody hated it.
14:03
SPEAKER_01: So if he would have gone and made a move this year, who's to say everybody wouldn't hate it again and then still blame him?
14:09
SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of lose-lose, and I understand that for the most part it's just the the loud people.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it's not necessarily the majority that feel that way, hopefully, but it it definitely is out there that you know, oh well, he didn't do anything.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, what did it what was he supposed to do because you didn't like the last thing?
14:32
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
14:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh, one name I will throw out there.
14:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, I was doing a little research.
14:37
SPEAKER_00: I think Darien Kennard is on the Kansas City Chiefs practice squad.
14:42
SPEAKER_00: We released him at cut downs.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: That would be an interesting.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: I can see that being a potential because it's off a practice squad from another team.
14:51
SPEAKER_00: Knows the system he could plug and play.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: I do think that's the one name I'll throw out there as a potential.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: I do think they were less than thrilled with him in the preseason.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: I think he did lose his job.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: So I don't know that they necessarily would be, you know, lining up to pick him up.
15:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, I don't think they're licking their chops, you know, calling Kansas City and excited about it.
15:13
SPEAKER_01: I don't think they're gonna do anything until after Thursday.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: Like I said, they have the depth to to kind of cover it for this one.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh they're gonna see, you know, see how it goes on on this week and and go from there.
15:26
SPEAKER_01: If they feel they need to make a move or hopefully we can get through it somewhat healthy and and then go from there.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: Nope, I think we're both on the same page for sure with the offensive line.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: It performed better in my eyes.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: Um still I thought they looked decent too, yeah.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: Still lacking that continuity, and it's just it's gonna come at some point once you get a full set of five that are playing together multiple weeks in a row.
15:54
SPEAKER_01: I like that's the other thing.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: We we talked about this a couple times now already.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: Continuity takes time, but it also takes health.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: And so far, we're down two.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: You know, we lost two guys, so uh for my money, you know, my two cents opinion that doesn't really make a difference.
16:14
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think Burton needs to be the starting left guard.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh again, I was okay with him not being the starter right out of the gate.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he came from Kentucky, SEC school, but honestly, an SEC bottom feeder for the most part.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh and yes, the competition is good, but it's still not the NFL.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: So to let him get his feet wet and uh before you you just throw him in there, I I am okay with.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: So I'm not blaming anybody, I'm not saying that even if he looks great, I'm not gonna be like, oh, see, told you he should have been starting right away.
16:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh sure.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: If you wanna say that and it'll make you feel better, go ahead.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: But uh these guys get paid to make these decisions and they absolutely know more than we do.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: So again, not not necessarily saying that they're perfect.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: I know they're not, I know Matt's not perfect, I know Goody's not perfect, but they they know a heck of a lot more than what we do.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I am I'm with you.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: I hope to see Burton too starting at left guard, and we'll we'll see what happens on Thursday when they roll out the starting lineups.
17:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure everybody will be upset if it's not him, but so be it, I guess.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: Right.
17:25
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I guess we spent quite a bit of time talking about the O-line there.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh with transition to offense, defense, wherever you want to go with it.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: I I special teams even, that's a big one.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: Could save that one for last.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I thought the defense played very well.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: It was, you know, crappy conditions.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: I was hoping for a turnover.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: We didn't get one.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: That's life.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: You know, that that's life in the NFL, doesn't always happen.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh, there really weren't any, you know, opportunities.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: I think Bullard had one that he dropped, and I think that he definitely contributed that to the weather because I saw as soon as he dropped it, he threw his gloves off and threw them to the side, so it must have just slipped right out of his hand.
18:10
SPEAKER_01: Um big deal.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: You know, other than that, that's really the only one where it was like, oh man, you gotta have that.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: The rest of them were really they didn't really have any opportunities, and that wasn't from lack of effort or anything.
18:22
SPEAKER_01: They thought they played well.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, the only two I can think of right now are the two muffed punts on special teams.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: But as far as our defense, um they mentioned it on the broadcast multiple times, and you and I have talked about this.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: Our D-line is freaking awesome, man.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: Like severely I underrated them.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Like, I I didn't I thought we had bodies, I thought we had talent, but they mentioned it on the broadcast, Jonathan Vilma did, just the push we were getting off the line and just the aggressiveness.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: I think Aaron Glenn said it at his halftime.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh the the halftime adjustment that he said he was gonna make was to try to get to the edge because they couldn't do anything up the middle.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: I was very happy with our run defense overall.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: Um I think I mentioned it on here way back preseason, uh, maybe even at the beginning of preseason that I felt like uh changing the scheme and just the guys that we had uh on the roster that our run defense was going to be better.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh obviously it's only been two games, but so far so good.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: I think the run defense has looked really good.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think we are I think we're second in the league right now in yards per play behind only Seattle, who oh yeah, all they did last year was win the Super Bowl on the back of their defense.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: So I mean that's pretty good company to keep.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: There's just a lot of a lot of guys that Javon Bullard specifically.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: I know he had that um he had that first penalty, which I thought that was kind of weak.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: Even Jonathan Vilma said it was.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: Like, come on, there's two guys talking smack in the middle of the game.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure they played college ball together too.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: I was just gonna say that I I haven't confirmed this, but I think I read that that they were college teammates.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: So it was probably more just good natured jawing rather than any kind of an actual taunt.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he wasn't being cocky at all.
20:18
SPEAKER_00: He had that smile on his face, you know, he's just running his mouth a little bit, and then they threw the flag, and I'm like, are you kidding me?
20:23
SPEAKER_00: That was soft.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: But other than that, he bounced back.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: I thought he had a lot of after that.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: He played probably his best game as a Packer.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, tons of tons of tackles just flying around.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: Um I'm very, very happy with his bounce back.
20:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh Luke Lucas Van Nass is a guy that I've We told you.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: I you said you said exactly what needed to be said there.
20:49
SPEAKER_00: His best game as a pro as well.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: Hands down.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: All over the place.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: Ten tackles for an edge rusher is insane.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: This has been on the cusp for him for the at least the last two years.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: He's been so close.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: So you you get a glimpse of it, and then he'll he'll get in the backfield and he'll get his hands on the quarterback and he and he gets away.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: Or you know, he'll beat his block, but the run goes the other way, or guy will sidestep him, he missed the tackle.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: Yesterday he was a game wrecker.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: He absolutely wrecked the game for the Jets.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: He made the play on the fourth down stop at the end of the fourth quarter.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: One and a half sacks.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, to start overtime, I think he got a sack right away.
21:29
SPEAKER_01: He did on it, was a second or third down.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: He he had the sack, and just the the way that he played the run, he dropped back in coverage a couple times.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: He had a couple open field tackles.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: I think I r saw did he have nine pressures, which was a career high.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's insane.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: Like the dude was that that is what Packer fans have been begging for, have been waiting for.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: He was a first round pick.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: I I can't tell you how many times I've read wasted first round pick.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: My response to that also.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Always was well.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: He didn't start at all.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: That is true, yeah.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: Because Iowa does it a little different.
22:10
SPEAKER_01: They are about as pro of a program as you can get.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: They start based on seniority.
22:17
SPEAKER_01: So the your seniors and your upperclassmen are always going to be the starters.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: He came out as, I think, a redshirt sophomore.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: That sounds right.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: He was either a redshirt sophomore or a true junior.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: He was a three-year guy at Iowa, uh, the minimum that you have to be in college before you can come out.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: And he he didn't start because he had a senior in front of him.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: But he was still ultra productive.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: And the Packers took him at what 12 or 10?
22:43
SPEAKER_01: 13, I think.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, that sounds right.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: It's somewhere in the teens.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Everybody else had that same kind of grade on him.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a pick out of left field.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: No.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was, I'll be honest, it wasn't necessarily the pick I was hoping for, but after I slept on it, I was okay with it.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: I liked the pick.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: I knew at the time we needed edge rushers, we needed guys on the defensive line.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: I think I'd have to go back and look.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there were other guys that I had a higher grade on or I I wanted us to take more than him.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: I kind of thought the pieces were gonna align where he was the guy that we took, just based on it picked up a lot of steam late.
23:23
SPEAKER_01: True.
23:23
SPEAKER_01: Right before the draft that this was a guy that the Packers really liked, and it could have it could happen if he's there.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, it it it is what it is.
23:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, everybody whines about, oh, we could have had JSN from Seattle.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: We needed a receiver.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was the big one, I think the same year.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: It's so funny to me that people will go back, and I saw a couple things today that literally made me roll my eyes.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: There the comments on Twitter were like, you know, Goody deliberately passed on JSN.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: He he took Lucas Van Esse over JSN on purpose.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: These guys don't have a crystal ball.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: Right?
24:03
SPEAKER_00: They don't know what he was gonna be.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: The other one I see a lot of the times, different draft class, but Cooper DeGin over Jordan Morgan.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: Well, Cooper DeGin plays the slot mostly for Philly, and we have Javon Bullard, so I guess I mean it worked out for us.
24:18
SPEAKER_00: But it's so easy to look back and big miss here, big miss here, could have taken this guy.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: The these teams they have scouts, they watch these guys 24.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to say 24-7, but once you get to the combine, interview after interview, you know, your workouts, they know what's going on.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: And I'm never gonna sit here and criticize it.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, does it suck to have a guy like Justin Harrell back in the day who never panned out?
24:43
SPEAKER_00: Or I mean even before our time, Tony Mandrich.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: I do you think the Cleveland Browns purposefully took all of those quarterbacks because they knew how good the rest of the people were?
24:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a crapshoot.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: It is a lot of guys they get to the NFL and things change.
25:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the game changes immensely.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: Being in a new location changes.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: It's it's a lot of it's mental.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: There, yes.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's a perfect, perfect example you threw out with the Browns.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they they tried and they tried and they tried and kept trying, and honestly, they're still trying.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: So back to what we were saying, LVN, just an absolute game wrecker.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: I hope it continues and in a couple weeks from now, I think this week actually opens up Micah's practice window potentially.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I don't think they're gonna work.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: This this is just a gut feeling.
25:36
SPEAKER_01: I don't think they're gonna open it this week with the short week.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think they're gonna wait probably next week.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: So they'll play Thursday, and then I think they typically get Friday and Saturday and Sunday off.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: So then they get the rest of the weekend and then they come back for a normal week starting Monday right away with film.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah and however their their practice schedule is gonna work out.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just saying that this week is it opens the window where he could be activated, not activated, but cleared to resume practice.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I got a little hesitant.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, you're good.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: I I agree with what you said for sure.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: I don't think I I still think week five, week six is the timeline.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: To me, you would be pushing or you you would be shortening that window by starting it this week when realistically they're they're gonna have one padded practice this week anyway.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: So there's no point in activating him right now.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it'd be interesting, you know, to see when they do it.
26:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm thinking it's gonna be next week because you got the long week.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: So but him and Micah Parsons and L VN, it's gonna be dangerous.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: If Lvion keeps playing the way he is, and even Deny Dennis Sutton yesterday got involved quite a bit, so that was huge.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh just kind of waiting for his breakout, I guess, and yesterday was kind of that.
27:01
SPEAKER_01: I can't believe that guy fell to the fourth round.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was a steal.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: He's an athletic monster.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: He played at a power force school and he produced.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: Those guys go typically first or second round.
27:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: I I don't know what the knock was on him.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't either, and I really don't care.
27:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad he I'm glad he's ours.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: I honestly he outplayed Sorrell, I thought.
27:21
SPEAKER_01: And and Baron Sorrell looked fine.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: He had a sack in overtime.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: I think it was his sack, the first uh first one.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: Um I'm trying to think back, but I'll take your word for it.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: I I could be wrong on that, but I I believe he did have a sack.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh but other than that, he was kind of quiet, whereas 51 was all over the field.
27:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was always around the ball.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: He made probably the play of the game.
27:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh when momentum switched.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: I just was watching this uh before we we sat down to record here, trying to figure out when when the momentum shifted in this game.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I couldn't really pinpoint it, and we talked a little bit, you know, after the game to just momentum was a big thing we talked about in the last episode, so we were just kind of discussing when it happened, and I couldn't specifically pinpoint it, but you found it.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: I found it.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: So what happened was the Jets scored, Packers got the ball back, and then Marshawn Lloyd fumbled.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: So that sudden change that we talked about a bunch last week, the Packers had their backs against the wall, the Jets had the ball at the 20-yard line, already down seven and looking like it was gonna be over.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: There were twelve minutes left, just over twelve minutes left in the fourth quarter, and you just gave the ball back inside basically inside your own twenty.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: And they were able to get him to go three and out, it was third and nine, and they ran a quick screen and he picked up eight.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: And DDS and Edrin Cooper were the ones that combined to make the tackle, to make the stop, and and DDS, it was absolutely a hustle play.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he the play was past him and he ran it down and was able to catch up and make the tackle from behind.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: Stopped him, held him to a field goal.
29:07
SPEAKER_01: After that happened, Packers got the ball back, they went down, they scored.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: That was when uh Jordan Love got blown up after he ran it in.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it didn't count.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about that one once you finish this up.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: But holy cow, did I love how we reacted to that one?
29:24
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh so yeah, we scored there, and then basically the Jetsons score again, obviously.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Packers got the ball back, kicked the field goal after the big punt return, and then won it in overtime.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: But that that was the moment, at least for me, when the tides shifted and it became pretty much all Packers after that particular play.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was it's pretty clear to me.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: I just after you showed me that, you know, I kind of replayed what I remember happening after that.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: And it was uh they the Jets had an opportunity to put the game away, and they didn't, and it just gave us enough enough hope and just enough to enough in the tank to we had enough in the tank to finish it.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: And huge shout out to our special teams.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: Huge.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: When's the last time we could say that as Packer fans?
30:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't know that I can.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: No, I I was blown away.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean the last the last good returner I remember, I there's been a couple decent ones in between there, but Alan Rossom as the last good like pure returner that I remember.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh but after that, I mean Trevor Davis was decent for a couple years.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: Keyshawn Nixon had his one year as an all-pro or a pro-sided want to be corner instead.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: Uh Randall Cobb, but they didn't want to have him do it.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: He was too important to the offense.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, Micah Hyde, and then he walked out the door.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, it just to actually have a good special teams unit and have a guy that can flip the field.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh, he got a game ball for it.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: Sky Moore.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: Huge shout out to Sky Moore.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: We can uh why don't you get into what you were gonna say and then we'll go probably into studs and duds.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: What the heck was I gonna say?
31:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, um, just that play specifically, we were in the red zone.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: I can't remember specifically what down it was, but love took off out of the pocket, got met at the goal line with a play that should have been, I think it was flagged actually, but then two of our offensive linemen came over and finally Sean Lane and Jagger Burton finally stood up for their quarterback.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: Sean Ryan was in there right away, shoving guys around, and then Jagger came in right away too.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: That's something that we've needed I I'd say we haven't had that since Rogers left.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: And it was TJ Lang was probably the last real guy that I mean Bakhtiari was too, but And TJ Lang, I don't know if anybody pays attention to uh the social media and stuff like that, but I think last week TJ Lang was on a podcast.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: I think him and Brian Balaga were doing a segment together, and TJ was saying how where's the grit?
32:02
SPEAKER_00: Where's the where's the nastiness?
32:04
SPEAKER_00: Like back in the day, we had Rogers back, we had Aaron's back all the time, you know.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: Nobody if you looked at him the wrong way, we were coming at you.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if the Packers offensive linemen caught a caught that segment or listened to that clip, but yeah, that was just refreshing to see that we've got Jordan's back.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: It's been something that I think has been understood from a player perspective for the Packers, but maybe fans didn't necessarily see it.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: And that's that's not to say that guys need to get dumb personal foul penalties just to prove it, but a situation exactly like that.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: Quarterback takes a late, cheap ish shot.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was in the end zone.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: It was right to his head, though, man.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was full speed.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how Jordan popped back up.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: No, he did.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: It scared me really bad.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: But I thought maybe he'd hop on a cart, get carted off, and start tearing up and thinking the season's over.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, it's probably a little too early for that.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: But um yeah, but then he so he got blown up, and yeah, Sean Ryan went on a full sprint, and Jagger Burton was right behind him.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: The only reason he wasn't there at the same time, he was further away from the plate.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: Right.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: So that was that was really encouraging and refreshing to see.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh last year, you know, the game in Denver.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: Denver specifically was the one that drove and drove everybody nuts.
33:23
SPEAKER_01: Bothers me.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Um, I forget who it was.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: Fitzpatrick, tight end right there in front of him, I think.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: A funga.
33:30
SPEAKER_01: Oh, for Denver, yeah.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: Pushed Jordan's head after he hit him.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't laid on the sideline, but he hit him going out of bounce, and then as he's getting up, he puts both hands on the side of his head and shoves it into the ground, and yeah, we got a tight end just there, and he goes and helps Jordan love up.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just walks away after that.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, come on.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: I you you need to to take that personal, and that's something that has been missing.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: And and quite honestly, maybe this is the sort of uh you know, punch through the bubble.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: It it broke this six-game losing streak, which was kind of a skewed losing streak anyway.
34:08
SPEAKER_01: There was some factors in there, Jordan didn't play for a couple of them, and and whatever, that's fine.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: It's besides the point.
34:14
SPEAKER_01: They finally were able to come back.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: That's my big thing I wanted to talk about today for sure.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: And they also won an overtime game, which it's been a long time since that's happened.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we flipped the script.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's been us that's been on the the losing end of these games, giving up a late second half lead and just kind of letting the other team dominate us throughout the entirety.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: And it was us this time that we said, you know what, we're not gonna lay down, we're not gonna take it, we're not gonna take this L.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna fight back.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: Huge credit to the special team, Sky Moore, putting us in position there.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: Um we played cleaner football down the stretch, uh, less penalties.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: Still wasn't great, but it it was good enough.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but credit to the team.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: Um just awesome.
35:01
SPEAKER_00: Trace Mack with the game winner, he got a game ball as well, which I thought was cool.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh it just feels refreshing.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying this is the the change of everything.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: True, but I I like what you said.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they they fought back, they they punched through that that barrier, that bubble, whatever was holding them back, and they made it happen.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: So now they know going into the future, like, hey, we did it once, let's do it again.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: It's not over.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: So and it it was good coaching.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there were still some moments that maybe left a little to be desired.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: That's gonna happen.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: We're not saying Matt LaFleur all of a sudden turned into prime Vince Lombardi.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: No, but he did show some grit.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: The team showed grit.
35:40
SPEAKER_01: I think that definitely is sort of a representation of your team and your your coach.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: It starts at the top.
35:47
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, as ugly as it looked, kudos to them for pulling together and and fighting through and and finishing.
35:55
SPEAKER_01: Finishing.
35:56
SPEAKER_01: They finished.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: They finished.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: I just I hope it wasn't a one-time thing.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it will be.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: I think, like I said, it it really you you almost feel like you you got that that monkey off your back, right?
36:10
SPEAKER_00: Like it's oh, I'm very optimistic going forward.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Six game losing streak.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes this is a game that does, it will just snowball in your favor for teams that all of a sudden they find something and and you ride it.
36:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: Um that's yeah, pretty much it for that.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: Do you want to do studs and duds now, or do you want to just touch on the offense quick?
36:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think we we sort of hit on the offense enough.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: So uh kind of have some collective studs and duds.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: Kind of talked about most of them here as we were going through Lucas Van S absolute stud.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: Again.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: Not much more to say about that.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: His play speaks for itself.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be watching highlights back from this multiple times.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: I've already been seeing clips and just even the plays he didn't make.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think he dominated his rep the majority of the time.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: They had him on the left side, he dominated there, they moved into the right side, he dominated there.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Just he did his job, and then some speed to power on some of it, and power for a lot of it, where he was just he was walking his lineman back into the quarterback or just penetrating the pocket.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Perfect, a perfect game for him overall.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't think he did anything bad in my eyes.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: No, and just to to kind of throw it out there, too, he I believe was credited with nine tackles, a sack and a half, and the nine pressures, uh, I believe he had four tackles for loss, too.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: Which I mean, that's that's incredible.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: That's a really good game.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, who was our other stud we had?
37:51
SPEAKER_01: Next one was Sky Moore.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: Sky Moore, absolutely.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: Sky Moore uh outgained the offense.
37:56
SPEAKER_01: Did you know this?
37:57
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of sad.
37:58
SPEAKER_01: He had 203 return yards, which is fantastic.
38:01
SPEAKER_01: That's amazing, but the offense had 199.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna win a ton of games that way.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: However, when your returner is running that far and picking up that many yards, there is sort of a flip side of that.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: There's not that many yards to gain.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: I think we're leading the league in punt return yards through two weeks, which is something that we haven't been able to say in a long, long, long time.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: I know it's two weeks in, so I don't want to get rose-colored glasses on and think that everything's fixed and everything's gonna be great, but just a guy like that who's not afraid to return the ball, I the last 15 years, I would hold my breath every time there was a returner back.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: Is he gonna muff it?
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Is he gonna try and fair catch it?
38:45
SPEAKER_00: Is he gonna let it bounce and they're gonna down us at the within the five?
38:49
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Sky Moore, he's got he's got balls of steel.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: He's back there, guys are the gunners are coming down on him, and he's he's smart.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: He's a smart player.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: This is what he did for San Francisco last year.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: This is what he's done throughout his career as a special teams player.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: So he invites it.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: He said it yesterday in his interview in the locker room that that's that's his goal.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: He wants to catch the ball and run past the guys that are running down to him.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:17
SPEAKER_00: It's it's just a serious game changer, you know, from the last, like I said, the last however many years.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: You have the ball at the at the 10, maybe, or within the ten.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: You get a guy who even if he picks up five yards, you're at the 15 or the 20 if he picks up ten yards.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: That helps out the offense tremendously.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: So don't sleep on this guy.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: I think he's gonna keep doing stuff like this.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Credit to credit to him, credit to Camacord, the special teams coordinator.
39:46
SPEAKER_00: Things are changing in Green Bay right now.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
39:49
SPEAKER_01: I saw a thing that said last year they didn't have a return over 35 yards, or maybe it was a kick return over 35 yards and a punt return over like 14 yards, I think was their longest last year.
40:02
SPEAKER_01: And Sky Moore had the 63 yarder and he had a 43-yard kick return.
40:07
SPEAKER_01: So he improved on last year in one game.
40:10
SPEAKER_01: So absolutely he is one of our studs.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then I think the third and final one, uh sort of included in in the special teams.
40:20
SPEAKER_01: I thought J Mike as a gunner was a game changer.
40:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he uh almost forced both of those muffs.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: You know, he he was the guy that was that was close uh on the punts.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: Um I think I said to you that uh once he gets a little more experience on the first one, he maybe could have got the ball.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh he did do a fantastic job tackling the returner, uh, you know, which which is part of your job too.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, no fault there.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: That's just something that comes with playing time.
40:51
SPEAKER_01: And he he looked great, I thought, because he was there on that one.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: He made another impact play on a second muff where it was basically the same thing.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: He was the guy closing in.
41:03
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I don't know if he had any actual tackles, but he definitely he forced another fair catch, I believe.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was one other one where he was right down there where he needed to be, pressure in the returner's face, and I think it was a late fair catch call.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: They might have got flagged on that one.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: Was that the muff that he actually they threw through the flag on that one because it was uh an invalid fair catch symbol?
41:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that one, the invalid fair catch was later in the game, I think the first two muffs.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of punting in this game, so just kind of back and forth, especially from us.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: But no, I'm with you 100%.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: I think he's uh there's a reason he made this team.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: I know we talked about him being a bubble bubble player.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: Um he might see him on the offense more.
41:47
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, not to interrupt you there.
41:48
SPEAKER_00: No, he was, I think especially with the Jaden Reed.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: Towards the end there when um Christian Watson went out with that hospital ball that Jordan Love gave him.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: I prefer that not to happen anymore.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: No, but credit to Watson, took two plays off, was right back in there, and then he just got the wind knocked out of him a little bit.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: And then he had a catch.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was awesome.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I think J.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: Mike might get in the offense more with Jaden Reed being out and just getting some more experience in the offense.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: So overall, I I'm excited for him.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
42:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, our duds, do you have any more studs?
42:22
SPEAKER_00: I think that was it.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: That was good.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: We mentioned Javon Bullard earlier too.
42:26
SPEAKER_00: I thought he had a very, very good game.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: Not gonna touch in depth on him, but yeah, overall, very good game from him, probably his best game as a pro, and look to see him trending upwards as we go.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: For duds, uh penalties again.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
42:43
SPEAKER_01: We gotta clean that up.
42:44
SPEAKER_01: A lot of it is concentration stuff.
42:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll ask uh I got a question here for you.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: I want to ask.
42:51
SPEAKER_00: With the short week going uh against Atlanta on Thursday, is there, in your opinion, is there a lot of stuff is there anything we can do to clean this up?
43:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is day one stuff.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: You come in the locker room, day one of camp.
43:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's on a short week.
43:09
SPEAKER_00: It's teachable, and I think I'll I'll let you answer it first before I give my input.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: On a short week, I'm not sure.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think we just have to kind of go into the game and and hope that you know we don't have those lapses in concentration.
43:23
SPEAKER_01: That's what a handful of these were.
43:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, lining up improperly and getting legal formation.
43:30
SPEAKER_01: I think they had a couple of those.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh they had at least a couple false starts, I think.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: Um the taunting penalty, which again, weak as it may have been, still counts, so you gotta be smarter with that.
43:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh but uh for the most part it it's just little stuff that I mean they they're almost there and then they do something just wrong enough.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: Like they they haven't been crazy uh horrible penalties uh all Although you know Minnesota maybe they sort of got uh unlucky, I I guess you could say, with maybe three or four of them.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: But like we mentioned, they still had at least six pre-snap penalties.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: So there's still those that obviously the refs didn't miss.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: They just that's what was called.
44:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh this one this game in New York here, I don't know that there were too many where you're like, oh come on, that's not a penalty.
44:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh for the most part, they they got 'em all right.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: So yes, that that's gotta be cleaned up.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: It's gotta be extra focus.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know if you you really try and just emphasize the the clean play rather than execution, maybe a little bit more.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of what I was thinking.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: I I think with a short week, I mean, the message has probably been the same since day one.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: Be smart, don't get called for the stupid penalties, and sometimes that's heat of the moment.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: You know, you these guys are competitors and they want to let the guy know, hey, you know, I just I just shut you down, I just stopped ya.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it gets a little too much to get carried away, so you get a taunting call, or um I was just curious what your thoughts are.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: I I don't I'm kind of in the same boat as you.
45:15
SPEAKER_00: I think you can clean up some of the the dumber ones where you know a guy's running his mouth too much, or just the extracurricular stuff.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: But at a certain point, I mean the message is the message.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: They've been told, they know.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they LaFleurs, he's got his message.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: Whether that's the same message he's been given the last eight years, I don't know.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to get into that.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: That's a it does fall back on the players at a certain point.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm not blaming the coach.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: I just You can only be told so many times before, you know, do they start pulling some of these guys, you know?
45:49
SPEAKER_01: That might be what it takes because you know that that's one of the things that I've seen a lot too.
45:53
SPEAKER_01: And and it's not totally wrong, but the the discipline aspect and the penalties even for a drive.
45:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is a reflection on on the coach, which I'll push back a little bit, but it it's not totally wrong.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: However concentration stuff, I mean, an illegal formation isn't a lack of coaching necessarily.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: That's just players not understanding or wrong, I don't want to say wrong place, wrong time.
46:21
SPEAKER_01: It I don't even think it's it's not understanding because that can be a coach thing.
46:25
SPEAKER_01: It's uh just taking taking a mental play off.
46:29
SPEAKER_01: True.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: They they know how they're supposed to line up.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: The rules are the same in college.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: They've been doing this for a long time.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a lack of focus.
46:38
SPEAKER_01: So how how do you fix that?
46:41
SPEAKER_01: You know, and that's that's the million dollar question.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't have an answer for you on that.
46:45
SPEAKER_01: Like, what are you supposed to do to fix that is is a is a fair question.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just thinking about it with the short week, you know what what can they do?
46:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and we don't know that, I guess, and it's just you just gotta lock in, know what's at stake.
47:05
SPEAKER_00: I think the energy is gonna be electric.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: Home opener at Lambeau.
47:10
SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna make a big difference finally playing at home.
47:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:13
SPEAKER_01: I did see something that uh said today that was talking about Jordan Love.
47:18
SPEAKER_01: He hasn't played a home game because he was hurt and then um it sort of sat, you know, last year.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: Playoffs on the road.
47:25
SPEAKER_01: Yep, playoffs were on the road.
47:27
SPEAKER_01: The last game was in Minnesota when he didn't play.
47:29
SPEAKER_01: Preseason did he play at home?
47:31
SPEAKER_01: He didn't because they didn't play until their third one.
47:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:33
SPEAKER_01: And he didn't suit up.
47:34
SPEAKER_01: So it's been a long time.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: It's been, I think, six full game weeks since he's played at home.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: So I think that's gonna finally feel comfortable, and hopefully it reflects towards the offense as a whole.
47:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, if you're going to the game, be loud on defense, keep it done on offense.
47:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no waves, please.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: Have fun on offense.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, one more dud.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about Keyshawn Nixon.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: Kind of kind of gave him high praise last week because he had a really good game and there wasn't really much negative to say about him this week.
48:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, pass interference penalty.
48:11
SPEAKER_00: You could tell the Jets were kind of targeting his side of the field for a little bit, which I was surprised they didn't do more of that in the second half.
48:18
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
48:18
SPEAKER_00: And maybe it's just because the coverage was better elsewhere, or maybe we're getting more pressure on the line.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: I I can't specifically tell you why they didn't target Keyshawn Nixon more, but overall I thought he kind of had a poor performance.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: He did have a touchdown saving tackle on uh there was a screen pass to Brees Hall, I believe.
48:37
SPEAKER_01: It may have saved the game.
48:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:39
SPEAKER_01: Because then the Jets had ended up having to punt on that possession.
48:42
SPEAKER_01: That was right at the end of the third quarter, and then they had a couple negatives right after that and had to punt.
48:48
SPEAKER_01: Whereas, yeah, if he doesn't make that tackle, he might score, and then then the game probably is over.
48:54
SPEAKER_01: So props on that one, but overall as a whole, not great from key.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think we'll continue to watch him, and he's the same player he's been since he's been in Green Bay.
49:08
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna have some really nice plays, but I think a lot of the boneheaded plays outweigh the good with him specifically.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: So uh like it or not, he's he's our starting cornerback, and he's going to be until he gets hurt or until somebody else can prove they can do better.
49:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so overall, yeah, he was he was our one dud for sure.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: Other than that, we kind of thought offensive line we thought played well, and there's not not really any duds there, I don't think.
49:40
SPEAKER_01: The numbers were a lot better than last week, uh, which is a pretty low bar.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: Like it they still weren't phenomenal, but they did get a little bit of of uh push in a run game.
49:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh Jordan didn't get hit as many times, um, which sounds sad to say, but but baby steps, I guess, and they lost two guys.
50:00
SPEAKER_01: They lost three guys throughout the game, so you know there there is that to to take into account that they did have to deal with.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: So uh it it was an improvement.
50:11
SPEAKER_01: It still needs to improve more, but we're getting there.
50:14
SPEAKER_01: We're getting closer anyway.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: Alright, do we want to just jump into a little bit of Atlanta?
50:20
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, I think that about wraps up uh our our recap.
50:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh let's we can kind of you know just do a quick quick preview.
50:29
SPEAKER_01: Uh we got a short week.
50:30
SPEAKER_01: We'll wrap it up here shortly.
50:32
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, Atlanta, they're going with a new starting quarterback this week.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: Michael Penix Jr.'s taking over.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: Old new.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: He started last year for him, but yeah, but he's finally healthy, and it's not fourth stringers and and or Tua.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I thought once Tua was healthy, they were gonna roll with him, and I guess Tua's not healthy, or they just don't want to put Tua in there.
50:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, kind of a crazy stat.
50:56
SPEAKER_00: Atlanta has not been in the red zone on offense once this season.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: I sure hope that continues because I love that.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: To be to be honest, numbers-wise, to start the year, this is the best defense they faced.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:10
SPEAKER_00: I think they they've got a few weapons.
51:12
SPEAKER_00: Bijan Robinson's an absolute stud.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Game changer.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: If we can contain him, I think we're fine.
51:17
SPEAKER_00: They do have Drake London.
51:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh he's their top wide receiver.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: Not super afraid of him.
51:23
SPEAKER_00: Uh, if you let him get open, he's gonna burn you.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, he's not a burner, he's not a speedster, but he's very good receiver.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: Good good route runner, he's tall.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: I think you know there might be some opportunities there to throw up some some jump balls to him.
51:36
SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I think we if we can continue with the pressure we've been getting.
51:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I think we'll be fine.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, L VN not looking for him to be Superman.
51:47
SPEAKER_01: If he wants to, great.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: But if he could get some help too, I think uh DDS showed some some real promise, so maybe he can continue that and get a little bit more playing time as well.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking Hargrave might be back.
52:01
SPEAKER_01: Uh I feel like he was close last week.
52:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, concussion protocol.
52:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh I saw that they released their their estimated participation today, and he was limited.
52:12
SPEAKER_01: So that's that's good.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: You know, that hopefully indicates he's moving in the right direction.
52:17
SPEAKER_01: So that would be a big boost to get back, uh, especially on a short week with some just some depth concerns, maybe.
52:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking I think it's time to take that next step again.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: I I know we bounced back and we got that that win against the Jets.
52:34
SPEAKER_00: It was ugly, but this is another chance to take down an opponent that you're much better than.
52:39
SPEAKER_00: Um the Falcons have been struggling through the first two weeks.
52:43
SPEAKER_00: There's no reason to take our foot off the gas.
52:45
SPEAKER_00: Don't take them lightly.
52:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying it's a trap game.
52:47
SPEAKER_00: It's at home, so it's in our favor.
52:49
SPEAKER_00: I feel really good about this game.
52:51
SPEAKER_00: Not gonna throw a prediction out there.
52:52
SPEAKER_00: I do think we win.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're gonna stick to you know our schedule throughout most of this that we predicted to start this.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: Totally agree.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, that's that's all I got.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm hoping the defense continues.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: I hope we get a turnover.
53:05
SPEAKER_00: Special teams keep doing your thing.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm excited for it.
53:09
SPEAKER_01: That's that's my uh area to watch.
53:10
SPEAKER_01: I think defensive line against their offensive line.
53:13
SPEAKER_01: Uh yes, Bijan Robinson is a monster and is really the one thing right now that I'm concerned about with them.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think if our D-line and linebackers keep playing the way that they have been, um, I think we'll be we'll be just fine.
53:29
SPEAKER_01: And then offensively, just looking for some consistency.
53:33
SPEAKER_01: I think getting back on you know, the home field at Lambeau under the lights, with the crowd actually at your back and not working against you, hopefully lets them sort of have a get right game.
53:44
SPEAKER_01: Atlanta's defense is fine.
53:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I don't think you know this isn't a game where oh, if we don't put up 50, you know, we're we're gonna be concerned.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: Their defense is fine.
53:54
SPEAKER_01: They got a couple good corners, uh that they have a decent defensive line, some some rushers, so it's it's not gonna be a cakewalk, but I do think it, as you said, is a game that we uh we should be the better team.
54:09
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think we were favored by six, I believe.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh seven last time I won this one.
54:14
SPEAKER_01: Not that that means anything, but uh they uh they do kind of have an idea when they make those lines.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: So I think as long as we can clean up uh the penalties at least a little bit, you know, I'm hoping for if we can get to half.
54:28
SPEAKER_01: Or honestly, honestly, let's keep it single digits this week.
54:32
SPEAKER_01: If we can keep it single digit penalties on Thursday, I think we win by two scores.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
54:38
SPEAKER_01: Solid prediction.
54:39
SPEAKER_01: Two scores could also just mean ten.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: So I'm not getting getting carried away here, but but I do think, yes, if we can clean up the penalties, I think we will move the ball a little bit better, and I think it'll be a two-score game.
54:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh again, not gonna say an actual prediction score-wise, but that that's gonna be my take for this week is clean up the penalties and you get a two-score win, and then take your long week to ice and rest, and then get back to the grind in Tampa for week four.
55:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that pretty much wraps it up.
55:11
SPEAKER_01: Um that I have.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, really excited.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: Football is here, it's been here for two weeks, and the weather's starting to change, so that was nice and cool today.
55:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm getting that getting that uh excited feeling.
55:25
SPEAKER_00: So thanks for listening and GoPac go.