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ITB: Taking an Overview of Eagles First Two Camp Practices · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, a welcome to another edition of Inside the
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Birds now in our ninth season. It's Adam Kaplan and
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  Speaker 1: it's our great beat reporter Andrew d'iceco.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, great to see you, Adam.
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  Speaker 3: You're too kind. Longtime no see excited?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew and I saw each other at Thursday's practice,
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  Speaker 1: which was in the low eighties.
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  Speaker 2: Not too bad.
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  Speaker 1: Community's actually a really nice day, and Andrew. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: started right, So this is their second day of practice.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take an overview of the first two days, and
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  Speaker 1: Friday they are not practicing.
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  Speaker 2: What is it a walkthrough or a nonpractice day?
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  Speaker 3: Forget I believe it's a walk through. Sunday. Sunday, I
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  Speaker 3: think there's no practice.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's going to be very light until Monday.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got two days. What are your impressions? Give
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  Speaker 1: us your over impressions with his twenty twenty six team
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  Speaker 1: in training camp for the first two days.
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  Speaker 3: Well, context is always important because we just have two
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  Speaker 3: practices to go off of. But I thought on the
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  Speaker 3: first day, Adam, the offense look to have the defense
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  Speaker 3: caught catching them by surprise a little bit with the
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  Speaker 3: motion and the under center play action. I thought Jalen
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  Speaker 3: Hurts had some nice throws, but it was a stark
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  Speaker 3: contrast to what we saw on the second day, where
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  Speaker 3: the defense was really they found their footing, they rounded
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  Speaker 3: in the form I thought in the trenches in particular,
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  Speaker 3: they were able to really provide some penetration there and
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  Speaker 3: make life a little bit more challenging for the offense.
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  Speaker 3: But this is a new offense. It's important to keep
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  Speaker 3: that in mind. They're working through some things and it
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  Speaker 3: looks it looks totally different. I think you would agree
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  Speaker 3: on that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually my greatest impression going from OTA's
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  Speaker 1: which we saw. I mean, I go back to February
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  Speaker 1: when we went over, Okay, what do we can expect,
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  Speaker 1: and we said there're gonna be three significant changes.
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  Speaker 2: Hurts us going to be on center under center way more.
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  Speaker 1: I think over the last five seasons it was less
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  Speaker 1: than twenty percent, which is your eyes tell you that's
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  Speaker 1: what it looks like. It's gonna be heavy, heavy under center,
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  Speaker 1: which has not really been Hurts as thing since he
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  Speaker 1: was drafted. You're going to see a lot of motion,
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  Speaker 1: some shifts, but motions, and you're going to see a
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  Speaker 1: slot receiver and that's kind of over the first two
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  Speaker 1: days what we saw.
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  Speaker 2: Now. As far as eleven twelve personnel, it depends.
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  Speaker 1: It just really depends, because it could be like when
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  Speaker 1: they go base versus Nickel. Depends on the what the
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  Speaker 1: other team's going to do. So I wouldn't I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: go one way to the other on eleven versus twelve.
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  Speaker 2: It's way too early. But I'll tell you one thing.
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  Speaker 1: One of my impressions of what the practices look like,
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  Speaker 1: they're they're quick, they move faster. The Eagles do more
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  Speaker 1: than most teams. Some teams are a lot of standing around.
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  Speaker 1: There was like no standing around. I was very impressed
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  Speaker 1: by that. Really bothers me. I've talked to coaches around
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  Speaker 1: the league. They don't like it either. They they want
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  Speaker 1: things to go fast. You're always hear on the hop
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  Speaker 1: on the hop, like these guys are ready to roll.
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  Speaker 2: Coaches have very detailed and they roll.
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  Speaker 3: So I like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, Andrew, but the team
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  Speaker 1: speed is very, very noticeable.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I would agree, and especially and I was looking
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  Speaker 3: through my notes with Hollywood Brown. You see the shutary quickness.
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  Speaker 3: He clearly has some jews. I'm curious to see if
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles are able to maximize his long speed, because
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  Speaker 3: that's been something that hasn't been necessarily maximized that different
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  Speaker 3: stops along the way for him. But you even see
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  Speaker 3: it with Tank Bigsby, you see it with DeVante Smith,
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  Speaker 3: and then on the defensive side that they fly around
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  Speaker 3: the field. It's a faster team than I can you
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  Speaker 3: know that I can recall in recent years.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get some impressions of some of the younger
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  Speaker 1: players because people always want to know how they do.
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  Speaker 1: And again, it it's Andrew said, it's two days, okay,
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  Speaker 1: then the five day acclamation period there's no hitting. It's
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  Speaker 1: basically a little bit more energy than O tas so.
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  Speaker 1: And now there's there's more defensive game planning, not game
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  Speaker 1: there's more defensive planning. We should say we're in OTA's
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  Speaker 1: passing gams. Let's like flag football. This is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit got a little bit more juice. But again, they're
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  Speaker 1: not in pads, they're they're living to what they're allowed
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: So we're not going to overdo it.
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  Speaker 1: But Andrew, one of the things I thought was interesting,
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  Speaker 1: and the big deal here is competition, and we as
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned there's younger players here. Let's get some impressions
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  Speaker 1: of Eli Stowers, Markel Bell, McKay lemon, Newbie Down, Tavian
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  Speaker 1: Wicks not relatively not young, but he's not old either,
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  Speaker 1: and Cole Payton. The s you are, Bernard, people are
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  Speaker 1: going to ask Cole was new Ski. I did see
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  Speaker 1: he's healthy by the way, he had what we were
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  Speaker 1: told as a lot of body injury and ota. So
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  Speaker 1: all these young guys, what are your first impressions.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's start with McKay lemon Adam and they've used
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  Speaker 3: them in motion, in motion a little bit. He went
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  Speaker 3: in went into training camp looking to make up for
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  Speaker 3: lost time, but it doesn't really look at least it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't appear on the surface that he's far behind at all.
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  Speaker 3: He's caught some passes and team drills. He looks the
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  Speaker 3: part sometimes And to kind of explain this a little
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  Speaker 3: bit further, sometimes you can just tell with certain players
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  Speaker 3: if they're going to be able to hit the ground
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  Speaker 3: running and be able to help you and others that
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  Speaker 3: may take a little bit of time. But with McKay lemon,
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  Speaker 3: I don't get that sense, not right away. And with
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  Speaker 3: Eli Stowers it's someone who's going to take a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of time to grow and develop as a blocker,
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  Speaker 3: so it's hard to envision an enormous role for him
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  Speaker 3: in year one. That's not to say that he's not
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  Speaker 3: going to have role. He's a second round pick, but
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  Speaker 3: I saw him working on some blocking earlier in practice,
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  Speaker 3: and I've always said that he's a willing blocker, but
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  Speaker 3: he still remains a work in progress there. He caught
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  Speaker 3: a pass in team drills on the second day of
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  Speaker 3: training camp, and then with MARKL. Bell, you and I
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  Speaker 3: were talking as we were watching the offensive lineman working out.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly he towers over pretty much every line I'm in there,
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  Speaker 3: but he probably could stand to add a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of strength to his lower body, a little bit of muscle,
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, he's another player that I'm really interested
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  Speaker 3: to see how he progresses through a training camp. He's
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  Speaker 3: worked at left and right tackle in the spring, and
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  Speaker 3: we'll see how that carries over this summer. But for
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  Speaker 3: the top three picks right there, I think that there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of reason for intrigue and optimism.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll play off what you just said.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the things I look for which I
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  Speaker 1: was taught early in my career from personal people is
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  Speaker 1: when you go to practice, look for if you could
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  Speaker 1: study a little bit of technique, hand usage, footwork, how
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  Speaker 1: walker of the offensive lineman look coming out of three
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  Speaker 1: point stands, body types?
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  Speaker 2: Markel Bell.
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  Speaker 1: One of their notes that we were given at the
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  Speaker 1: time that he was drafted was he needs to get
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  Speaker 1: in better physical shape. He's not really a left tackle
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  Speaker 1: at this at this level, He's just not.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Could he change someday, sure, they could crustrate him, sure,
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  Speaker 1: but most teams saw him as a right not a
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  Speaker 1: left tackle because he's an enormous human being, doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: have the feet to play left tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Again, he can't.
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  Speaker 1: He can play it, but that's really not what Eagles
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  Speaker 1: are envisioning right now. And potentially they hope to be
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  Speaker 1: the replacement for Lane Johnson. But McKay lemon one of
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  Speaker 1: the things I thought was interesting they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: They're doing a lot in terms of with the splits
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  Speaker 2: that I've seen tight splits.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen wide splits. It's not like whereas we saw
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  Speaker 1: a ton of tight splits that's when.
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  Speaker 3: In the spring, Yeah, yeah, in the spring.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I was like, is this Sean mcvay's offense,
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  Speaker 1: like what this is really? This is interesting? And then
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  Speaker 1: now we're seeing both the running game, lots of outside zone.
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  Speaker 1: There's a more more comments on younger players. Will Shipley,
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  Speaker 1: who we got to meet or know a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I know you dealt with Will very much in the
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  Speaker 1: locker room and he came on our show in we BCB.
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  Speaker 1: They've got a it's a three man race for the
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  Speaker 1: number three job that's open between Shipley, who's the incumbent,
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  Speaker 1: Damian Pierce, and Elijah Mitchell, who's the veteran you know,
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell a WESCO so offensive specialist. This is why he's here.
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  Speaker 1: He's great with the outside zone run. So we'll have
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  Speaker 1: to see. But some of the other younger players, as
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  Speaker 1: we alluded to a couple of times, Drew Kennell put
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  Speaker 1: a big frame. Well, he put on way wait, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of weight on his frame. Now, Andrew, here's the
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  Speaker 1: question for you. You see Kendall, you know you you
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  Speaker 1: watched him in training camp last year. You know you've
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  Speaker 1: seen the size he put on his frame. Did they
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  Speaker 1: line him up all? Did you see him place? Did
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  Speaker 1: you a lot of did you see him a lot of
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  Speaker 1: at center at all in these two practices.
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  Speaker 3: No, I I just saw him place playguard, and that's
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  Speaker 3: also what I saw when he was participating in team
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  Speaker 3: drills in the spring. But he clearly looks like he's
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  Speaker 3: added some some bulk to his frame, which is needed.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm projecting a role similar to the one that
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  Speaker 3: bretts Hoath had last season, where he was the interior
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  Speaker 3: backup on game day. But I do get the sense
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  Speaker 3: that the Eagles are they like him quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: More more into well.
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  Speaker 1: Darius Cooper looks super comfortable getting in and out of
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  Speaker 1: his brains no matter where they line him up at
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  Speaker 1: this Z position or whether he's catching an immediate pass.
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  Speaker 1: Very impressed from what I saw from him, Hollywood Brown,
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  Speaker 1: by the way I saw him. I saw him line
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  Speaker 1: up inside on a route on a vertical, so I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. The thing is with the way
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  Speaker 1: that they're running this and this looks this looks so
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  Speaker 1: West Coast. But the big thing to me, the biggest
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  Speaker 1: impression is and it's still we knew this was coming,
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  Speaker 1: but it's still kind of not. It's kind of starting
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  Speaker 1: to sinking. Seeing Hurts Andrew throughout a practice almost exclusively
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  Speaker 1: under center, It's just it's just like not you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you see a different offense command it's one thing.
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  Speaker 1: But when you see something they haven't done with their
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback right like often again less than a quarter
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  Speaker 1: of the time he's under center. I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 1: but to me, it's just just different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does certainly takes some time to grow accustomed
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  Speaker 3: to when you're so used to seeing him, you know,
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  Speaker 3: function in a certain offense and doing things almost exclusively
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  Speaker 3: one way. But I have noticed it seems there are
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  Speaker 3: there are moments in practice where he looks to be
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  Speaker 3: pretty comfortable. But I would say that today I thought
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  Speaker 3: that all of the quarterbacks on Thursday held the ball
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  Speaker 3: take longer than you'd like to see, and that resulted
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  Speaker 3: in you know, a fair amount of incompletions and some
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  Speaker 3: and in some cases for some of the quarterbacks, there
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  Speaker 3: were some air mails. And well, I'm sure we'll talk
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  Speaker 3: about one quarterback in particular. They found the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the defense a few more times than they should have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so let's get to it. So I
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  Speaker 1: guess we could start to the from the bottom to
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  Speaker 1: the top. So, so, col Payton had a he had
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  Speaker 1: a tough practice.
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  Speaker 2: He Uh. This is why we always tell people.
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  Speaker 1: When you see reporters puts, oh, col Payt hit this
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  Speaker 1: pasture that pass, they're not grading the entire practice.
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  Speaker 2: You have to grade the entire practice.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to talk about how good a quarterback did,
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  Speaker 1: you have to look at the whole practice colpaint.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew struggled. What did you see from?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So for context, on the first day he had,
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  Speaker 3: his reps were so scarce that it was highlighted by
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  Speaker 3: two throws down the field, one to Kus Watkins, one
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  Speaker 3: later in practice to Britain Covey. And there were quality throws,
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  Speaker 3: but as we outlined, he's a work in progress, especially
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to mechanics, and these are some of
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  Speaker 3: the growing paints you can expect from a young Player's
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  Speaker 3: a fifth round pick and he didn't play a lot
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  Speaker 3: at the collegiate level. But on the second day of
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  Speaker 3: practice he threw three interceptions. The first one was one
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  Speaker 3: that was a little high. Danny Gray probably should have
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  Speaker 3: caught it, but it was off his hands and it
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  Speaker 3: found the waiting arms of a diving aj Epanessa. On
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  Speaker 3: the ensuing play back to back throws, this one looked
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  Speaker 3: like it was. I don't know if it was a
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  Speaker 3: miscommunication or what have you, but it was a downfield
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  Speaker 3: heave and the only player that was really in the
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  Speaker 3: vicinity was linebacker Chance Campbell, who secured the interception, and
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  Speaker 3: then later in practice he found rookie seventh round pick
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  Speaker 3: Keishawn James Nuby, who picked them off pretty cleanly there
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was concerning McKean Dalton just watching them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and he knows the offense. He's been longer than Tanner has.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's an open competition. It's bizarre to us
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  Speaker 1: that they're doing this. But mckey's on last year of
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  Speaker 1: his deal. They brought any and they traded for him.
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  Speaker 1: He knows the offense, so they're making a competition. So
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be interesting to see what happens to
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  Speaker 1: the Western training camp. But finishing off the offense, like
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  Speaker 1: what I saw from Elijiamore, didn't watch him a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Look totally healthy. By the way, the roster is healthy,
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  Speaker 1: so that was good. And then the big one though,
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  Speaker 1: the big takeaway, the offensive lineman to me looked pretty healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's obviously great news that that's the success
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  Speaker 3: offensively is going to be largely predicated on the health
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  Speaker 3: of the offensive line. You saw what it amounted to
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  Speaker 3: last season when a lot of the key players there
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  Speaker 3: were really banged up, and I want to just add
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: to your point there on Elijah More, He's an interesting
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  Speaker 3: player because he's played a lot of football. He catches
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  Speaker 3: the ball cleanly, and he's a dependable option. It's hard
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  Speaker 3: to figure out how he would fit into the roster
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  Speaker 3: equation because he hasn't. I think he's played just nineteen
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  Speaker 3: total snaps on special teams in his entire career. But
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  Speaker 3: what was interesting is on day one there were three
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  Speaker 3: players repping at putt returner and it was just day one,
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  Speaker 3: but it was McKay lemon, it was Britain Cobby, and
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  Speaker 3: it was Elijah Moore. And I think if Elijah Moore
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  Speaker 3: can maybe demonstrate some value there and secure the football
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  Speaker 3: and be able to, you know, show a multifaceted skill set,
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  Speaker 3: maybe that makes things a little bit more interesting with
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  Speaker 3: that final receiver spot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again he could play the Z position slot.
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  Speaker 1: He's played both. That's important. And then finishing off the
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  Speaker 1: offense is the offensive line. The health they look Jargons
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  Speaker 1: and Dickerson. I watched them a lot. That was kind
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  Speaker 1: of the big reason why I wanted to go. They
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  Speaker 1: moved around pretty well. Again, there's no paths, there's you're
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  Speaker 1: not that they're hitting, but there's just it's just not
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  Speaker 1: physical enough. We need to see more and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: learn more next week. But that's one thing I want
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  Speaker 1: to look at. It was still that now don Tavian
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  Speaker 1: Wicks made the catch of the day. It was actually
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  Speaker 1: a scramble the pocket break. It broke down and Hurts
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  Speaker 1: heaved it down the left sideline and Wis jumped up
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  Speaker 1: over the two defenders and caught it and came down hard.
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  Speaker 1: A great catch. I was like, wow, Okay, it was thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's he's number thirteen. It's got a big
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  Speaker 1: bodies long and that's what you're hoping for in a
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  Speaker 1: scramble drill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, great catch, and I think it really illustrated. Further
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  Speaker 3: illustrated Jalen Hurts his arm strength to get the ball
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  Speaker 3: out there because he was rolling. That's not an easy
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  Speaker 3: throw to make. I thought it was a better play
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  Speaker 3: by Wicks and the two defenders in coverage there where
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  Speaker 3: rookie Cole was Nesky and Jacryan Bennett, and it was
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  Speaker 3: almost like they lost sight of the football and D'antavian
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  Speaker 3: Wis tracked it well, secured the football and came down
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  Speaker 3: with the reception.
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  Speaker 2: So before we moved to defense.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's like twenty people listening who are like
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  Speaker 1: Woolle lamp and stands and you and I saw him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know Dylan.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: McMahon was a little taller, but he had a very
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: small frame. Willie Lampkin is squatty, he's small. Watched the movie.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: He does move well, yeah, but he's again it's only
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: the first two days, so he's got time to make up.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't Maybe he got work with it too, is
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it seemed.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Like it was more with the threes.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Mostly with the threes. The second team center has almost
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: exclusively been Jake Majors while they're cross training. Drew Kendall
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: at guard and Willie Lampkin's interesting. He has the wrestling background,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: he has good quicks and I thought his preseason tape
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: with the Rams last summer was fairly good enough so
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: that the Eagles felt compelled to grab him and add
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: him to their roster. But he does have some ground
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: to make up here. He's working. He hasn't really elevated
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: from the third team, but I am intrigued to see
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: if maybe some players when the lights come on and
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: you're in the game situation, they're able to deliver a
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: little bit more. But we're still just two days in,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: as you mentioned, and there's there's some time here. But
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: he's a fascinating player that I get so many questions about,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: as I'm sure you do as well.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh, by the way, there was a well
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: he may not be just a visitor. Legendary Hall of
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Fame offensive lineman and former Titans head coach Mike Munchak
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: is he seems like he might have the Brad Sealy role,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: who was a consultant for special teams for Nick Siriann
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: he brought into training camp. So he was there and
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: we had a someone tipped us off to it, and
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: then I don't know if I want to say who
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: it is because I didn't get permission to say who
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: told us it's not it's not anyone who works with Eagles.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that out of the just kind of
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a funny way we found out, and we'll give that
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: guy credit the next show if he.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Wants us to.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: But we were tipped off to it, and the person
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: told us that sells the keys because he knows Chris
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Cooper from Denver, and they know each other and that
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: may be where he's here to assist Mike Munchak. By
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the way, is so much smaller than I remember, like
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: really smaller.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we saw him there with the offensive line,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: so just more so Adam essentially an extra set of
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: eyes to help Chris Cooper yep.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, wearing his Hokas. Everybody's got hookahs.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Like what everybody except me? I wear the New Balance
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: ten eighties.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, our buddy John McMullen wearing the really beautiful black Hocus.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Those things are nice. All right, Let's get to the defense.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, the defense now, andrew it. Look, everything's the same
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: in terms of scheme. Jonath Gernard not practicing with his
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: pectoral strain. Not even a given that he'll practice by
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the end of training camp. In fact, there's a realistous
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: chance that he doesn't. Now good, he hasn't practiced this
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: last season. That's not good when you're coming into a season.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: But they fully expected to be ready. That's that's the
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: word from the club. So that's that. So let's get
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: your impressions defensively. What have you seen for two days?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Well, on the first day I thought that Jay look's
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: hunt really flashed. He is sort of a he was
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: a one man wrecking crew, especially early in the session.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: He always had the athleticism and the first step quickness,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: but it just seems like he's becoming more comfortable within
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Vic Vangio's defense and his role within it, and you're
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: now seeing the athleticism and he's able to play a
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: little bit more freely. So for me, I've sort of
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: earmarked him as my breakout player on defense. I've mentioned
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: it on the Checko Daily podcast. I've written about it
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: on Inside the Birds dot com. And just the competitiveness
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: on that side of the ball, whether it's Quinnon, Mitchell
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: or Cooper dejen and I mean they just flow to
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: the football. They play with a lot of urgency, Moro
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Jomo being an interior presence there. He has such good
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: quickness inside and they've just been you know, they pretty
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: much lived up to their billing through two practices.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so as we go back from the to the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: back seven, I don't make any big deal out of
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it because he was running with the threes on Wednesday.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Then Jacarren Bennett got some first team reps.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Because what happens is Vic was talking about it. You
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: have to put guys in a situation if they're bench
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: players that if the worst thing happens that some of
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: these guys got to play. So it's Jakoine Bennett like
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he's now he's now here full time. You know, either
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: got him late last year, got hurt, they got and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: do they have to find out whether this guy could
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: play in this defense.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And what's really interesting here, Adam, is when you
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: sort of outline the cornerback landscape, you have four players
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I'm including Jonathan Jones in this discussion that are that
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I feel pretty comfortable with Jonathan Jones being the one
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: that I'm a little hesitant about. But the fifth player
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: would be Keey Ringo, and I view him as a specialist.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: He's a special team star wart. But that only gives
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: you really three corners, and then I'm counting Cooper genis
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: the nickelback that leaves you a little light there. So
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: you would ideally, at least in my estimation, like to
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: have a player that you can call upon who started
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: some games has some ability. That's where a Jacoorian Bennett
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: or maybe even a mac McWilliams who can play inside
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: or outside makes for an interesting conversation and two players
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: that I'll be watching closely during the preseason.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Hunt he's just you can't help but notice him. He
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: just he moves so well. By the way he had
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: after practice. He had a great interview in w IP.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I encourage people to listen to it. You're talking about,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you know, going from safety to edge rusher and how
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: he's still learning. But man, you just he's he's got
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: everything you want.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Vic talked about it, Andrew like, these guys got to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: drop here in coverage, like it's in the fan of
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: his defense. They got to drop in the short air
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: or called the flat You got to do that, And
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: he said, you thought about Grenard's got to do things
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: he hasn't done before. Well, he's not practicing, but Hunt
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: does it really, really well. Nolan Smith has had to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: learn how to do this. Hunt had that defensive back
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: mentality as he played it. Now, a couple of guys
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about before we get to the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to the back end, Arnold Eva Catty haven't really I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: know he's played. He's out there. A j. Paness is
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: out there. What are your thoughts from from overall this
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: edge rush group.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I mean it's a really good experience to get the reps,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: get more reps for Nolan Smith and Jalox Hunt. I
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: think Jalox Hunt by and large has really optimized the
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: opportunity here. So Nolan Smith has quietly done some good
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: things as well. I haven't noticed Epikatie all that much.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I have noticed Aj and Panessa when he's been on
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: the field the past two days, which is obviously a
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: good thing. He was a post mandatory mini camp signing
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: has a different bill relative to the players in that
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the other players in that room. But I went into
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: training camp and I was including Jonathan Bernard into this
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: equation as this being arguably the deepest position on the roster.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I mean there you don't often find a team that
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: has Arnold a Bakati or Aj Panessa as your fourth
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: or fifth edge rushers, respectively. So if everyone's healthier and
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: are able to play their standard, I think that there's
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: a lot to like about that room.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And remember Vic only plays three edges.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Now what I find interesting and he doesn't look at
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think John Ritchie it was all Thursday,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: it was Eagles alumni day. Well, let's put it this way.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: My quick's always there. Great to see Mike, Brian Dawkins
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: was there, John Richie like Greece of course, and then
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Bart Brooks.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Do you see any other four retired players there?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: They were a decent amount of them, but anyway they
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I think John mentioned he was surprised that Epinesas listened
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: as to eighty he looked about two fifty.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't. He certainly didn't look like he was
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to eighty. Yeah, and you know, had he been to eighty,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden there's questions and intrigue there whether
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: or not they could use him inside or do some
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: variative things like that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Certainly didn't look like the like the player that he was.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: That in terms of Bill when he's with the Buffalo Bills.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, ye, all right for you are Bernard folks. I
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: know people want to know he's a total project. He is,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: as one person told me, he's at the part where
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you're at the y. You're not even at the hall part,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you're at the Okay. He needs to like like when
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you're new to something, you know, you want to know
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: why they're you know, you want to know the why
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: behind him because you don't know football. You don't know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you've never played in your life, Like why do you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: do it? Why do you put your hands like this?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Why do you move like this? That he that's that's
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: how he There's like, that's where they're at. Like he's
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: at the total beginning. You're not going to play this year.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: So it's just it's there. They're in the long haul
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: for here with him here, it's just but he's got
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a body.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was six four because I remember
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: he was walking past us. It's like, wow, that's Bernard.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He is long. He doesn't look three hundred, but they listened.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It's just to over three hundred. That surprised me. I
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: didn't think it was that big.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was all part of the plan when they
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: drafted him. They they knew that it was going to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: take some time to for it to be fully realized.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: And they have the support system and infrastructure in place
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: to support his growth and development. Which is why, Adam,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: when I put my pre training camp fifty three out,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I actually had Uar Bernard on the roster as the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: sixth defensive tackle. Why well, what does he need now?
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: More than anything, reps And you get reps throughout the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: season if you're on the roster. So I think that
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of benefit to that, kind of like
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: what they did with Jordan Milotta when he was a
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: rookie in twenty eighteen.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the back end. So all right,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: we'll talk Rieke well, and it's funny with Ringo and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he has put on some weight on his lower body,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: his thighs, like I remember as a rookie, he was
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: not as thin as Woolen, but his legs needed to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: find that they needed some mass. He looks the part
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: until he starts playing corner, and then you know, reality hits.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: It's just a shame, man, because he's built really want
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to play corner.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: He is, and he almost looks now like he's almost
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: built like a safety the way that got bigger.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go, he looked bigger. Yeah. I
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't the only one to sell it that good.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: No, I mean that's in the student observation, and it's
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: something that probably gets lost in the mix in the
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: grand scheme of things. But he looks the part. He
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: has the linear speed and all the things that you like.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: But there's there's always so much you can do for
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the tight hips and some of the some of the
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: inability to transition and things like that, But you can't
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: deny what he's been able to do on special teams.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I know, I think that he widely recognized as one
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: of the better gunners in the NFL, and that could
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: be his ticket to the roster.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: All right, well, jobs are open, Andrew, Let's get to safety.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: It's the worst position on the football Team's a turn
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of the terms of quality of depth and overall talent.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I mean App, I mean Apps is still here. He's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: got the inside track, but he hasn't won it yet.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Carter's out, you know, going to compete against him, jat Gray.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: He did get some reps with the third team, but
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: he's here to play special teams for you.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Makes it?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Michael Carter F mccuba was Newski. What are your thoughts here?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Would you say, Andrew sam your guy?
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's a that's a really interesting position because
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I am I've I've been bullish and Drew mccouba from
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the pre draft process. I understand that he has he
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the typical bill that you like from that position,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: but he moved extremely fluidly. He's a highly intelligent football player,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: and all of those qualities browly check off all the
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: boxes for what Vic Vanjou has traditionally looked for at
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: that position. Durability's going to be key with him. In
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: terms of Marcus Epps, he doesn't have other worldly athleticism,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: but what he's able to do is make up for
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: it with instincts, high level football intelligence. He's often in
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the right place at the right time, and that goes
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a long way with Vicvanjoe. He does have the inside
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: track to your point. But I think a player that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: really fascinating in this whole discussion is Michael Carter the second.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I love the way that he moves. He has really
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: good sharerrea quickness. His eye discipline dating back to when
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I was watching him as a nickelback for the Jets
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: always caught my eye, and I just think that when
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: you look at the way this position is sort of
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: evolving in the modern era, players like that are becoming
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: more prevalent around the NFL up that build. It allows
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: you to be multiple and do some different things on defense,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: and maybe it would allow Vicvanji to get a little
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: bit more creative. But right now, as things stand, Marcus
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Epps is the is the front runner.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting with Carter because EPs does not
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: have the versatility of Carter, where Carter could play nickel
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and he could play safety, and Carter's a safety in college.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: So that's something I'll be interested to see what vic
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: deales with him. Does he move him around matchups, you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and so forth, and then when we look at that
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: safety position. Andre Sam is a guy that he's been here.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: This is his third year here on off obviously, but
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Andre Sam, I know you've got to know him a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about him potentially making the roster.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I like Andre and I don't know if there's
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: anything more he could have done last summer to make
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the roster. I thought he was a better special teams
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: player than Tristan McCollum, who actually made the team, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: then he was waved shortly thereafter. Andre Sam, I think
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: what's working against him in this situation relative to some
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: of the other players that he is twenty seven years old,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: He's a player that they've depended on to elevate from
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: the practice squad. You know, he's going to deliver on
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: special teams, but man, he plays hard. He's someone that
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: while he was on the practice squad, he would set
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: personal goals in practice, like I want to get seven
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: tackles today or I want to get two forced fumbles.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: And he was sort of challenged himself that way, almost
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: to keep himself engaged and compete within himself. And I
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: think that he's won. He's a great story. But the
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Eagles clearly like him, and he does have some history
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: there with Joe Casper, who got to know him quite
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: a bit being the safety's coach for the last two seasons.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: So we'll see where things go. But I have to
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: think that in his third summer in this defense, you're
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: you're going to see a player that plays pretty fast
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: and confident and.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Rounding off the position is Maximist Pulley, who you know
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: we had intel at the time he was son. Here's
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a playmaker out of Wafford. He's number thirty six in
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: undrerafted free agent, but he's a long ways away from
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: getting in the rotation, So we'll see what happens with him.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: And then cornerback Mack McWilliams. Andrew is a guy that
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you know Vick. You always know where Vick stans. If
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the guys don't play.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: He didn't.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: You don't think the guy could help him, so he didn't. Really,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: he barely played last season. What are your thoughts here
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: on Mack McWilliams two days.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an interesting player because if you remember
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: back to last summer, Vic Vangio offered some some mild
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: praise and you know it elicited some intrigue there. He
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: had the quiet injury, missed a couple of practices, got
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: back in there. They cross trained him at two spots.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: He only played in five games last year. Of course,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: he was my rookie diary subject. I had a great,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: great time getting to know Mack and this year it's
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: a big season for him because he does have that versatility.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: But I would it would appear to be sort of
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: an uphill battle to make the roster. But I'm basing
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: that solely off of his special teams. He wasn't able
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to get on the field on special teams and that's
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: going to be paramount as the potential fifth or sixth
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: corner here. But he did have a nice for those wondering,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: he had a nice pass break up today Andy Dalton
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: earlier in practice tried to really fit it into a
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: tight window. There are a couple of defenders there. Cameron
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Latsu is not able to make the play because mac
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: McWilliams got a hand in there to deflect it away.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: So he's gonna have to do more of that if
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: he wants to get more reps and work into the
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: rotation a little bit.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched Greek willand by the way, I mean,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I was just looking to see if they were gonna
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: go after him a little bit. Didn't see that much.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Cooper Degene at safety was interesting talking about a guy
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: who's beefed up. He just looks so much bigger physically.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: He's put a mass on that frame. We'll see if
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: this effects at all.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts on Wollen and Degene through
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: two days?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: You know, Wolan, you don't see six foot four corners
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: the days of Brandon Browner and Sean Smith of the Dolphins.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, those days just feel like they were, you know, eons,
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  Speaker 3: eons ago. So you see somebody like this who not
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: only has the size, but the athleticism, the fluidity. He
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: just has the length and the range I think to
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: cause some disruption on the back end, and he hasn't
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: really been tested too much. He almost had an interception
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: on Thursday. I expect him to come away with a
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: couple before camp wraps. And this is a big year
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: for him because he signed a one year He stands
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to benefit financially if he's able to put everything together
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: and really immerse himself in this defense. But he's gonna
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: have to be technically sound to be able to really
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: thrive in a FIC Fangio defense. And then Cooper de Gene,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: to me, is just about as well rounded of a
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: defensive back as you can get. And I have a
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: feeling there's going to be a couple of massive hits
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: that he's going to deliver this year from that safety spot.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: He definitely put on some sides to his frame, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I think he's just going to continue to ascend in
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: his third season.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's interesting, and I will see if this happened.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: So on Thursday's practice, I was looking to see the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: inside throws, inside the number throws, right, yeah, and Herts
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  Speaker 1: had a great throat of Goddard between two defenders actually downfield.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Just a great timing route and you're kind of throw
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: that you'd like to see. And then I saw one
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: where Degene just took away the look and Hurts held
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  Speaker 1: all into it and crush the play.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: So that's the other thing which you didn't really talk
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: much about.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But as we talked about under center, we got everything
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: we kind of felt we would get in this camp
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: so far. But you saw inside throws some. But the
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: problem is because it's all new to everybody. Either the
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: pass target wasn't where he's supposed to be or Hurts
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: it didn't deliver the ball in time.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: But that's what we saw. It's a brand new offense.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: This is this is exactly what we expected.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So patience needs to be shown. Yes, the defense is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: ahead of the offense, totally expected. In fact, I'd be
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: stunned if the defense by the end of camp is
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: way ahead of the offense. It's going to take time, but.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I mean that's to be expected. That this is a
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: you know, an elite unit with the Nucleus have been
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: together for three years, right and Vic Vanjo's now in
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: his third year, so that really shouldn't be a surprise.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but overall it's an intriguing offense with a different
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: past target group with lemon stours can move. He needs
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to bulk up a little bit. He definitely looks like
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: a receiver playing ten end. He's number eighty seven, Brent
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Silex all number and then you've.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Got Cam lat too. But did he beef up? He
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: looked bigger than me.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like he might have added added some
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: muscle as well. Man is he he's jacked up. I
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: can't wait to see what he can do in the preseason.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: And really, when the pads come on, and I'll tell
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: you what, there's a player that we haven't talked about yet.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Hat when the pads come on, Tank Bigsby will be
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: someone that you're going to be hearing a lot from.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: And in terms of just traits, you can see the
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: burst and the explosive qualities that he has and it's
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: it's easy to envision what he could do in a
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: in a more expand well, i should say, a more
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: defined role. In year two with the Eagles.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Toss right went upfield, he ran, He could have run
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: for one hundred and fifty yards.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: No one touched him. He just he's his thing is
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: he tries to break most of his runs outside. Well,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: this is going to be mostly outside zone team, so
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But he's a perfect fit for
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: it if he's patient again. Everything's intrigued. Everything's intriguing, but
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: it's got to play out. We've got to see how
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: they do over a series of weeks and practices. But
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: we got two of the books for Andrew to check.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Go.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Adam Kaplan. We'll see you next time on Inside
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  Speaker 2: the Birds.