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Netflix's "Love is Blind" Izzy Zapata Gets Committed · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: I'm Rachel, you could tell. So everyone is obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: Love is Blind on Netflix, and that includes me and
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  Speaker 1: my daughter. We are huge fans, and this season, like
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  Speaker 1: everyone else, we are rooting for today's guest to find love.
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  Speaker 1: Izzy Zapata emerged as a standout amongst this year's cast.
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  Speaker 1: He was genuine, open, and I think we can all agree, emotional.
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  Speaker 1: Izzy's journey might not have ended the way he originally planned,
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  Speaker 1: but he has no hard feelings. He still believes in
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  Speaker 1: the experiment that is Love is Blind. He gave us
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  Speaker 1: the inside scoop on what we didn't see on camera,
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  Speaker 1: his private conversations with producers, and what he really thinks
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  Speaker 1: about the whole Lydia Uche connection. We also discuss his
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  Speaker 1: new girlfriend and the fact that they got matching tattoos.
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  Speaker 1: Izzy loved his experience on the show, and we loved
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  Speaker 1: talking about it. So sit back and listen to Izzy Zapata.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Izzy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you're here with us on Misunderstood today.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: So, all right. Season five is over of Love is Blind.
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  Speaker 1: The reunion is over. I just quickly want to touch
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  Speaker 1: on how you even got cast on the show.
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  Speaker 2: It was crazy. I actually didn't even apply for it.
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  Speaker 2: I was working out on my lunch break one day
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  Speaker 2: and I had got like a phone call from an
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  Speaker 2: LA number. I immediately ignored it. I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: like a telemarketer. They called immediately right after that. I
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  Speaker 2: ignored it again. Then I got a text message like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is so-and-so, you know, casting producer for a show
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  Speaker 2: called Love is Blind. I don't know if you've heard
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  Speaker 2: of it, but we'd love to, you know, do you
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  Speaker 2: have 15 minutes to chat? So I was like, no way.
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  Speaker 2: This is Totally a scam. And so I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, let's see, why not? So I call
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, sure enough, it was, this lady was casting
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  Speaker 2: and she was like, add me on Instagram right now
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  Speaker 2: so you can see I'm real. Added her and she
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  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I would love to, you know, do
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  Speaker 2: like a recorded, you know, audition for you and yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the rest was history from there. I went along. I
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  Speaker 2: honestly didn't even think I was going to make the show.
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  Speaker 1: What was the audition process like? Like how many people
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  Speaker 1: do you think they were choosing between and then you
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  Speaker 1: kind of beat them out?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's huge. I mean, I really don't even
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  Speaker 2: know the number, but I know I started back in
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  Speaker 2: like September of 2021. And we weren't even leaving to
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  Speaker 2: film till April. And even then, they didn't even give
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  Speaker 2: me the green light until probably about like three weeks
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  Speaker 2: before we were about to leave out for filming. And
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  Speaker 2: the only reason I knew, I kind of had an
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  Speaker 2: idea that I was going to be on the show
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  Speaker 2: because I never had a passport. And I called them.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, you know, I've done everything, but
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  Speaker 2: I honestly don't think you guys are going to have my,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get my passport in time. um
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  Speaker 2: they're like oh don't worry about it like just go
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  Speaker 2: ahead go with the picture and sure enough i ended
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  Speaker 2: up having my passport in like two or three days
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  Speaker 2: and so i was like all right they didn't go
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  Speaker 2: out of their way for me to get it expedited
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  Speaker 2: this fast for no reason so yeah and then i
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  Speaker 2: want to say about two days after that three days
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  Speaker 2: after that i got my welcome letter and an email
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  Speaker 2: and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So had you seen the show before did you know
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  Speaker 1: what you were getting yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Into Yeah, I've seen about like two seasons. I want
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  Speaker 2: to say the first two seasons before. So once I
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  Speaker 2: actually was getting, you know, through the process of casting
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  Speaker 2: and all that, that's when I really started watching the
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  Speaker 2: rest of them. So yeah, I definitely knew what I
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  Speaker 2: was getting in for.
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  Speaker 1: And what was your mindset going into the show? Like,
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  Speaker 1: were you ready to get married? The reason why I
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  Speaker 1: ask you that is because I mean, it's an obvious question,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to phrase it like this. Like, A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people are fed up or tired at a
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  Speaker 1: certain point because they've dated so much and it hasn't
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  Speaker 1: worked out. And they're like, I'll do anything now. I'll
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  Speaker 1: try something new because it hasn't worked. Like I'm 48
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  Speaker 1: and I'm still single.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm tired and I want to know where he is. Like,
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  Speaker 1: where's the guy?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like for me, I would do a show like that
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  Speaker 1: because I'm tired already. of like all the other attempts
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  Speaker 1: I've made that haven't worked. So that seems reasonable that
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  Speaker 1: I could find love. But where were you in your
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  Speaker 1: mind up until that point?
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  Speaker 2: So I actually had been engaged once when I was
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  Speaker 2: like 26. And then that failed. She ended up cheating
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  Speaker 2: on me. So marriage for me is like a dream.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I date, I date with intent. So
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  Speaker 2: I had about two years after that to do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of self-work. I even did premarital counseling. But my
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  Speaker 2: dating perspective had changed to where I became a lot
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  Speaker 2: more direct. So I hopped on dating apps and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. But I just came like more direct when
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  Speaker 2: I would go out with dates with girls. Like as
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  Speaker 2: a first date, I'm like, you know, yeah, I can
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  Speaker 2: do the surface level questions, but I'm diving deep into
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  Speaker 2: like your relationship history. And, you know, like the things
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  Speaker 2: that you've gone through, your trauma through relationships, what you
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  Speaker 2: need out of a relationship. Are you even looking for
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  Speaker 2: a serious relationship or is it just casual relationships? And
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  Speaker 2: for some girls that can like really scare them off
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  Speaker 2: to be, because nobody wants to just commit nowadays. That's
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  Speaker 2: the biggest thing I've noticed in the dating world. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: wants to commit. They want the luxury of having that
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  Speaker 2: person around and, you know, the benefits of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sex or having, you know, just having somebody there. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking to kind of get straight more to the point.
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  Speaker 2: And so having the show pop up as an opportunity is,
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of torn between two. I was like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a TV show. You see it. Like, is it real?
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  Speaker 2: That's what everyone always thinks. Like, ah, is it real?
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  Speaker 2: Is it scripted? But then the other half of me
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  Speaker 2: was like, this is really cool because you take away
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  Speaker 2: all the superficial stuff and every single person that's there
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  Speaker 2: is dating with the end goal of marriage. So it's
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  Speaker 2: perfect for me, who's someone who's very direct and to
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  Speaker 2: the point. So I was definitely ready for it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So the first day here, you go in and you
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  Speaker 1: get to meet all 15 or however many women kind
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  Speaker 1: of briefly.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have to kind of narrow it down
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  Speaker 1: right off the bat to eight or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's like eight the next day, six. And it keeps
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  Speaker 2: going as the days go.
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  Speaker 1: From the very beginning, did you know you had a
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  Speaker 1: connection with both Johnny and Stacey? Because that's who we
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  Speaker 1: saw your biggest connections with.
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  Speaker 2: Was there someone else? So day one, immediately, Johnny was
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  Speaker 2: my third date of the day. And immediately when I went,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you're my number one. She was
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  Speaker 2: locked in. I dated all the girls. It was crazy
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  Speaker 2: because Stacey at the end of that day, like I
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  Speaker 2: talked to her, she was cool. But I think she
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  Speaker 2: was like my number eight that day. And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's cool. But if I don't talk to
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  Speaker 2: her again, like no big deal. But I knew immediately Johnny,
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  Speaker 2: she was my connection, like the very first one and
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  Speaker 2: was a standout for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And so we all kind of have seen the show.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're here and people are listening because
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  Speaker 1: I've seen it. So I don't want to recap the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. But when you got to that point that
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  Speaker 1: you had to choose between the two, looking back now,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say is the reason that you chose Stacey?
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  Speaker 1: Were you following patterns? Was it something more aloof about her,
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  Speaker 1: sexy about her? I mean, what was it for you?
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  Speaker 2: So this is, and this is what's crazy, what comes
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  Speaker 2: with the edit and which I wish they would have
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  Speaker 2: showed more of. When you see Stacey and I's interactions,
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  Speaker 2: it looks very surface level and fun and flirty and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. But no one ever really got to
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  Speaker 2: see how that connection developed on a deeper level versus
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  Speaker 2: what you see with Johnny. It's all deep, you know?
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  Speaker 2: And so what it was for me when I, What
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  Speaker 2: it did is, like, Stacy just kept surprising me every day.
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  Speaker 2: And it kept getting stronger and stronger. So it was
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  Speaker 2: really fun, but she would have trouble being vulnerable. So
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  Speaker 2: once I got those walls to fall, it was like
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  Speaker 2: the fireworks just went off, and it became more of
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  Speaker 2: a well-rounded. That was the only thing missing. Versus, like,
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  Speaker 2: with Johnny, it was just very, you know, just deep
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  Speaker 2: all the time, which is nice and I love, but.
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  Speaker 3: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 3: know about the drawers. The drawer. Just the one square
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  Speaker 3: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
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  Speaker 2: There was never, you know, those fun, you know, moments
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  Speaker 2: in there. You're, you know, anything like that. But what
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  Speaker 2: did it for me... obviously Stacey's vulnerable side came out.
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  Speaker 2: So that made more sense. And then when it came
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  Speaker 2: to Johnny, you know, she would tell me she was
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  Speaker 2: in love with me so many times, but never really
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  Speaker 2: gave me a reason why. So it was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I just am. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like, it doesn't make sense. And then what really
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  Speaker 2: just kind of did it for me was, and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people think is when she put that, like
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  Speaker 2: told me their trauma about her ex who was an
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  Speaker 2: addict and passed away, people thought I got scared of
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  Speaker 2: it and ran away. But what happened was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she told me she had that and she'd never been
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  Speaker 2: in love since. And she used her, she had ended
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  Speaker 2: up getting married and she pretty much told me she
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  Speaker 2: used them as a rebound and ended up divorcing them
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  Speaker 2: about a couple of years down the road because she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't in love with them. So for me, that raised
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  Speaker 2: a red flag because she said she's never been in
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  Speaker 2: love with somebody other than her ex that passed. So
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  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't want to risk my heart because
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  Speaker 2: how do I know you're not going to do that
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  Speaker 2: to me? And then on the top of that, you're
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  Speaker 2: telling me that you love me, but you don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: I get that. I mean, listen, as somebody who was
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  Speaker 1: watching it back, you know, I feel like for her,
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  Speaker 1: she really was... not that she's a love addict, but
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  Speaker 1: like she really wanted to find someone.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: She, she was kind of pushing it when it didn't
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  Speaker 1: work with you. She went back to Chris or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like she really wanted to find that person,
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  Speaker 1: wanted to pick someone who was going to pick her.
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  Speaker 1: And that was, that was pretty evident, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I will say, trauma hits people differently. I've dealt with
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  Speaker 1: trauma in my past and I got married soon after
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  Speaker 1: I did something very similar. And, you know, you, you
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  Speaker 1: just to stick up for her for two seconds, I
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  Speaker 1: will say that when something like that happens, you feel
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  Speaker 1: like you just want something to stay. You asking for
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  Speaker 1: a love story is like kind of unfathomable at that point,
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  Speaker 1: because you've just gone through so much trauma. So I
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  Speaker 1: got married to somebody after my fiance was killed and
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  Speaker 1: regretted it. And within a year was divorced, but I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make it work, but my head was ready
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  Speaker 1: to marry someone else. You All right. So I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: about what the restrictions are from the time the show
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  Speaker 1: wraps to the reunion, because we know that you saw
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  Speaker 1: the cast. We know you've developed a girlfriend since, but like,
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  Speaker 1: how does that work? I'm so confused because are you
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  Speaker 1: telling people you've been on the show? Do you sign
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  Speaker 1: something that says you can't be on the show? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: how does that work?
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  Speaker 2: Um, so obviously, you know, we're on a contract. We're
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  Speaker 2: not supposed to disclose any of that information. So I
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  Speaker 2: really didn't disclose anything to anybody. Um, other than obviously
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  Speaker 2: my friends who were there at my wedding and a
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  Speaker 2: few of my guests, you know, obviously they knew. Um,
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  Speaker 2: but I really didn't reach a point to where I
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  Speaker 2: was close to anybody close enough to be dating on
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  Speaker 2: a very serious level until the current girlfriend that I
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  Speaker 2: have right now. Um, so yeah. And, and obviously I
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  Speaker 2: ran into that, you know, at the state when Stacey
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  Speaker 2: had a cooking class, I really had to tell her then,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: So, um, Are you saying at that point, she didn't
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  Speaker 1: really know the details of how she was an ex
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  Speaker 1: and an ex-fiance? She didn't know it was for Michelle?
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  Speaker 2: So she knew kind of like, you know, we were
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  Speaker 2: getting serious and going with like dating with intent in here.
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  Speaker 2: So I just kind of wanted to let her know like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: before this goes any further and we pursue anything, like,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to let you know, I will be
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  Speaker 2: coming out on a show. And, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if that's something you want to deal with because
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  Speaker 2: it's not for everybody. And yeah, so then when we
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  Speaker 2: got to that date, Then I told her, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's my ex-fiance from the show. Yeah, that was pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So did they get along? Yeah, everything went smooth. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously it's a little awkward, but at that point we're
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  Speaker 2: on the date, me and Stacey, we were good friends
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  Speaker 2: at that point. We already reconnected since we hadn't talked
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  Speaker 2: in a year, but I want to say about like
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  Speaker 2: two months before then we had already reconnected. So it
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  Speaker 2: was just very unexpected to run into each other and
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  Speaker 2: to be at the same table on that date. But yeah, Um, no,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just a little awkward, but we
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  Speaker 2: made fun with it and yeah, we ended up having
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  Speaker 2: a good time. So I can play it. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: a smooth.
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  Speaker 1: Is Stacy still with the same guy?
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  Speaker 2: Um, I'm, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I think so. I'm not,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not too sure. I, you know, um, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm assuming so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think, again, as somebody who watched it
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  Speaker 1: and is heavily invested in this show, you know, there
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: were moments that I turned and said to my 11
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: year old daughter, who was also heavily invested in your journey,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: you know, we were like, oh, my God, I'm going
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to cry for Izzy because there were so many times
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: where and I want to ask you if you think
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: this was edited or is this the situation where I
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: feel like you did a lot. to be a good
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: partner and you were not met with that same kind
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: of reciprocation. And again, it could have been for the show,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: it could have been what was edited, but it did
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: seem like you were doing your part and what you
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: were capable of doing in such a short amount of time.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And there was a lot of like, but you're not
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: doing anything for me. What are your thoughts on that?
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, at times I did feel that way.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Stacey did have my back in situations and would give
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: me reassurance from time to time when, you know, off
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: camera kind of thing. Obviously, you know, I have my
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: breakdowns or I freak out too. But yeah, like I
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: kind of watching it back, like I do kind of feel,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: you know, a little bit that way. It was just
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: a very discouraging feeling that conversation we had after the barbecue,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: you know, it's just like, I am, doing my best
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: with what I can. And so, yeah, I mean, you
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: kind of saw that. That's why I had like, I
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: lost it. That's why I ended up just like going
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: into the closet because it was just like the pressure
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: and the stress of filming, having to be strong for
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: my fiance, who's also stressing and having meltdowns and everything.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And then also trying to juggle my own emotions. Like
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I can only, I'm only human, you know, I can
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: only do so much. And I think that point of
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: feeling unappreciated is really when I just kind of hit
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: my breaking point.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I sort of wanted to grab you
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and be like, you know this isn't normal. Like, just
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: because you have paper plates in your house.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: a treat. With eight flavours to choose from, you can
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: choose the flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Or you don't have a side table or whatever doesn't
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: mean you're lesser than. There are plenty of people who
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: live that way. And it's like you're at a stage
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: in your life where you can only go up. So
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that's really not a reason to You know, not love someone.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That's not a reason that that is not a red flag. Like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like I need to say that to you,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: because as a person who seems like just a really
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: nice salt of the earth guy, like, I don't want
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: anyone to take away from you that like, that's not normal.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that was a normal reaction. And I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: think it was really for a lot of people who
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: watched it. I think it was really cringe worthy and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: people really were like, that's, that's not okay. And for
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: someone to call you a liar because of your, you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you hadn't come out with your credit score yet. I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: also thought was a huge stretch. You know, it's like
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you guys hadn't known each other that long, like only
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: certain amount of things can come out. And for her
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and her family, obviously that was a big deal for you.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: It wasn't something that you led a conversation with. So
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I just, you know, I thought as a viewer, it
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: was very uncomfortable. And I hope, you know, that's like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't be defined by that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. Oh yeah. It is difficult to watch.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie. Like the last, especially getting
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: towards that, you know, the last episode was like, I
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: was very emotional watching them. It's a shitty feeling from
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the outside, looking in and watching yourself go through pain.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But I mean, at the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: end of the day, you know, I've kept my head
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: up and I've realized that I've had a lot of support, like,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you know, from often people like you and family and friends.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And yes, I really appreciate that. So now I really just,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of tell myself, like, yeah, I am
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: a good person and I will make a great husband someday.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: You will.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: You will.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: So did you know ahead of time that she was
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: going to say no?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Um, she told me two days before the wedding. Um, Yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: which we had the finance conversation the night, it was
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the night of our final date. We're at the Air Museum.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: The next day, we had the app night. The next
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: day was our bachelor and bachelorette party. So we had
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to pack up. That's when we had to move out
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of the house or the apartment. And they made us
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: have that finance conversation again. And so at that point,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: like I didn't know, it was rocky. That was the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: first time I really felt, I didn't feel confident in us,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you know, getting the yes, because before then I felt
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: like she was an absolute yes, you know, the whole way.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I never, obviously we had issues, but I never felt
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: like a big doubt or to where anything stood out
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: for her to say no until that, until that. And so, yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: we had to spend two days apart after bachelor and
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: bachelorette party. They don't want us together. Um, but it
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it was like two days before she
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: called me, she was out and I was out and
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: she was like, Hey, like I'm home and I miss you.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And I kind of really want to see you. So
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: in my head, I'm like, yeah, like I get to
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: see you. This looks good. Maybe, you know, we are
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: going to work out after all. So I just drop
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing and I go straight over there and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: we're having like, you know, really laying around in bed,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: just laughing. And, um, I can't remember exactly how the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: conversation went, but it led to the point where she
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: was just like, wait, like, I'm not saying yes to you.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: She's like, I can't. She's like, I'm not ready. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I was just like, what? I was devastated. I remember
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I just lost it. I didn't expect that. And so
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: going into the wedding, you know, I knew she was
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: going to say yes, but then obviously I let production
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: know like, hey, you know, she's probably going to say no,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: but they're like, hey, don't lose hope. Keep fighting like
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: you've always been. People on previous seasons were no's when
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: they went in. Barnett was a no, I think, with Amber,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and he changed his mind at the all-term with a yes.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I can't remember if it's next.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Are they still together, by the way?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still together. That's why I was like, you
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: know what? You're right. I just kind of like, So
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you had hope.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You were holding out hope for her to change her
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: mind based on who you were up until the conversation
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: about finances.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Did you make any big plea of like, listen, there's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: only so much I could do because of my credit score.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I can only get better. Like I can only do,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you know, get a job.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I see. I had the thing. I don't
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: know why people be thinking I wasn't employed. I was
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: employed the whole time. Like that was like one of the,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: another big thing that happened with the, a little bit
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of a concern was I was on a 1099 because
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I was doing insurance versus like a W2. And that
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: was like, I feel like kind of like a stability
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: thing for her. I think that she felt like, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But that's crazy. I mean, it shouldn't necessarily matter what
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you do, as long as you're really good at what
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you do and you're young, you're still figuring it out.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: love someone, you want to build a life together. So
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's like I asked you when
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you were coming into this, if you were open to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: meeting somebody and having love be blind, right. And, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: falling for somebody seems like you were into that. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: then with, with her and I don't know her, but
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it's just look from the outside, looking in, it seems
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like there are criteria that she couldn't let go of.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And her family seems to blame too. They couldn't let
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: go of it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And they, you know, kind of rub off on her.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I saw that she came out on her
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Instagram and she's like selling merch, a sweater that says
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes love wants to buy first class. Like, I thought
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that was really gross. I looked, I actually took the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: time to look at the comments because everyone's like, oh,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I'm here for it. I'm buying it. But I was like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that's obnoxious.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to date the guy that lives
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: with his mom and doesn't have a job and like
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: all of that, but I'm not dating them because they're
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: not motivated. Not because, you know, that I will date
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: somebody that's less off because if they're really good at
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: something and trying, I mean, it just, I think that
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that was kind of a bad move on her part
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to capitalize on such a kind of gross behavior, my opinion.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, as far as for me, I guess
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: now that I look at it, I find it funny.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: When her dad did have that conversation with me, it
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: was just more so, and her family's amazing. Like they
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: were so sweet and receptive to me. And I think
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: more so than that's the thing that I appreciated with
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: him is that he just kept it real with me.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't like saying like, my daughter needs to
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: fly first class. I felt like it was just kind
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: of implying like, Hey, stacy has like you know not
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: likes nice things likes to do nice things um just
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: to kind of let you.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Know maybe warning you yeah like again with no yeah
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and not that one is worse than the other but
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: just being like this is what you're in for you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: might not know yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah so as far as the merch thing i
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: mean it doesn't bother me at this point uh again
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: i mean you know i don't whatever happened happened in
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the past as far as you know where we're at
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: now we're great friends and i support her so uh
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: yeah well that's.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: A testament because because you're a good guy that's why
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you're that's your response a lot of people wouldn't feel
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that way um let's talk about the reunion for a
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: second i had uche on my show um he did
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: not show up for the reunion um You know, it's
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: very interesting to me. I posted a clip of Uche
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: from being on my podcast and he collaborated. So it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: on both of our feeds. This one clip has gotten
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: over 500,000 views. And the level of people comment for
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Uche is like the hatred and the misunderstanding, I think,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: of that guy is very interesting. Now I'm coming from
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: a perspective of someone who shared like an hour and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a half with him that, you know, I don't know
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: him beyond an hour and a half, but I listened
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to him and then I watched him, you know, go
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: through what you went through. I thought the hatred was
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: uncalled for. I thought it was kind of bizarre. But
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you tell me, what's your experience with Uche?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So obviously we, you know, we had that where I
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: was hearing, you know, how he was saying things about me.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: a treat. With eight flavours to choose from, you can
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: choose the flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Um and things like that which I didn't understand because
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: with the guys when we leave the show you know
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I felt like we all had a really good bond
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I felt like our experience with the guys in the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: pod we made it very clear to not really talk
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: about who we're dating during the time until it got
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to the later days we're like getting serious and closer
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: to proposal just so we wouldn't let our friendships affect
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: our decision or vice versa let the girls affect our
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: friendship um And so that's what I appreciated. So we
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: all left the pods on good terms. You know, Uche
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: is great. He was the oldest, the widest. He actually
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: was giving a lot of advice to some of the guys.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: So I thought everything was great. And then it was
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: like afterwards, you know, we were out. And when I
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: like the night I said bye to John, like I
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: apologized to Johnny. Johnny was coming with me. You know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: he was like, you're going to leave with that guy,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of thing. So I was just like,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't understand where that came from. And then just
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: hearing it from other people from the cast. So I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: was like, I was confused. I was like, I didn't,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, I thought we were cool. I
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: don't know what happened. I didn't do something to you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: um and then when me and Stacey reconnected again um
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: yeah like a year later we all went out for
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: drinks it was like me Stacey one more person in
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the cast and Uche and And I walked to the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: bathroom and then like Uche was still talking about me
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to Stacey in that moment. And Stacey told me, like,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: as I got back, like, hey, Uche's like talking about you.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, what? Like, I didn't understand. So.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question. Were you able
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to listen to any of.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, so there's more. So, so he saw my episode,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: my first episode with Nick and he did reach out
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and he did apologize to me. um just because you
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: know he only had one side and he was just
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: only getting from what you know johnny told him um
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and now as he's like seeing everything played out and
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: like watched the show and heard some things that's gone
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: off gone on uh off the show um he apologized
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: and he was like you know i think you're a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: great guy and and everything like that so it's like
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: cool like I didn't want any drama. Um, I think
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: he's amazing. I never had anything bad to say about him. Um,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: that's why it caught me off guard when I did
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: hear that, but he texted me and he apologized. Like
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: everything's cool and everything's fine. Um, yeah. Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, go ahead.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. As far as like what's happening with the Lydian
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff, like I didn't even know any
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: of this stuff. Um, I didn't, I didn't even know
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: that in the pod, like I didn't even find that out.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: in the pod I didn't know until it was actually
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: going down at the barbecue and even then at the
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: barbecue I'm just still like my mind's over here with
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: like the whole Stacey Johnny thing that like I'm just
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: sitting here it's a very awkward moment to like be
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: in the middle of somebody like fighting so I really
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: didn't know to really like judge off you know it's
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: like whatever's going on.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Here with that Yeah, so I think he's getting a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: lot of pushback about the fact that during that barbecue,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: he was showing screenshots to Milton and getting into it
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: with the girls. And I mean... Again, just from hearing
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: his perspective, I mean, a lot of the issues with you,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: he said, started from that night at the barbecue because
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: it was more like what was going on between, you know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: he was telling you guys a story. Stacey was getting involved.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Stacey seems to be the common denominator and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of people in trouble or starting some drama.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Because it was more like Stacey was egging the whole
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: thing on with Johnny. And then he saw how you
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: were reacting based on Stacey's reaction towards Johnny. And he
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: had never experienced that with you before. So I'm glad
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you guys worked that all out. But what are your
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: thoughts about Stacey's influence on you and kind of making
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you into somebody who was being a little more dramatic
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and maybe a little more mean than I think you
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: would be.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: So what happened with that scenario is I honestly wouldn't
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: even have talked to Johnny that day. I was forced
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to talk to Johnny. Stacey had no influence on how
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I treated Johnny. She never told me anything. The things
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: that I was hearing that were being said about me
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: weren't even from Stacey. They were from other people on
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the cast. and then what she was saying about Stacey.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: And that's where a lot of people don't know. They
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: think that I just immediately walked up to Johnny and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: just started attacking her. But the deal is, is, like,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I was over it. I was over Johnny. I'm with Stacey.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: But production's like, you need to go have a conversation
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: with Johnny. Well, I get that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I get that, but it almost seemed like it was
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Stacey that had the issue with Johnny because she wasn't
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: over it. I mean, I think there was still a
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: little jealousy about the fact that you almost picked her.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Um no obviously that was done and um it was
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: more so literally a day or two before the barbecue
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: we're finding out all this information of what johnny is
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: saying about us and what has said about us um
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: there was even a point in time where she even
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: tried to go after like josh page's fiancee at the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: time but their story didn't make the cut you know
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: what i mean um and then hearing like you know
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: she was bashing Stacey's physical appearance um saying you know
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the stuff about my credit and all this stuff so
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I mean it what it did upset us because like
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: were we even there you know to defend ourselves or
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: anything so I think that's why as far as for
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: me I had so much emotion bottled up it didn't
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: help that I was drinking no excuse but like that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and you're talking about my fiance Stacey never told me
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: or was feeding me anything like that and that's something
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: that I just want to make clear that a lot
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of people are thinking that Stacey brought out the bad.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I was responsible for my own actions that night. I
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: did not act the best and I take full responsibility
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: of that and I've learned from it. But she did
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: not have an influence of that. It was just, we
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: had found that information out literally two days before that barbecue.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: So that animosity seemed to carry over through to the reunion,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: which I still found interesting because that was like a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: year later. You saw a lot of arguing or passive
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: aggressiveness towards the two of them, a little bit of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you involved. And then there was a lot of conversation
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: about the Uche-Lydia thing. Uche was not there to stand
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: up for himself, give his side. And I think it
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: was really evident that without him there, no one was
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: having his back on his narrative. everyone else seemed to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: be falling into Lydia's narrative. Um, and I heard you
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: even this morning on part two of your interview with Nick,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that it seemed that you agree that you didn't think
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: it went down the way he said it. And right.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, what, what are your thoughts? Yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: So it's hard to hear. And then there's like a
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Leah side also. So she tells like what she's saying about,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you know, her experiences with it too. Um, Trying to
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: see Lydia's side, right? I feel like I'm in Aaliyah's spot.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, who do we trust here? With that certain scenario.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Lydia seems happy. She didn't seem like it was that
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: big of a deal for her. The way Milton has
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: described it, as in he kept trying to push to
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: show me these, and Milton was like, dude, I don't care.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Like that was y'all. I just like, I don't need
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: to see this. So if you look at it from
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: both sides, I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong. It's
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: hard to determine that. And the part one was filmed
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: of mine and Nick Vile's podcast was filmed like the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: day after reunion. This was like before Uche and I,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: he hadn't even texted me. So, like, my mind, my
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: mindset at that time was like, okay, this kind of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: makes sense. Now I got to talk to Uche Duterte
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: and see his side. Like, at this point, I really
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: don't know what to believe. That's a sticky situation.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest with you, coming from someone that, again,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: watched it and has spoken to only Uche, and I
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like I usually side with the woman, right?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: But it kind of doesn't matter. Like I'm not trying
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: to side with anyone, but it did seem like Lydia
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: was fine at the reunion because she got what she wanted.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: She got a man to propose to her. She's engaged
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to somebody. Maybe they have a great relationship and that's
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: terrific for her. So it worked out for her, but
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: it also.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: a treat. With eight flavours to choose from, you can
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: choose the flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Worked out that her ex, his relationship blew up. And
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: so it kind of like seemed to me like, that's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: why she was so happy. Like she didn't have to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: worry about her ex being with another girl that blew
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: up and she's in a good spot. I'm not saying
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: she actually has feelings for Uche or like would rather
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: be with him. It's just, it seemed to work out
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: in her favor. And I thought, you know, no wonder
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: she's happy. I also didn't understand why. And I said
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: this to Uche. Why is Aaliyah like leaving because a
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: girl saying to him, I used to date him. He
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: has a car. He has a home. I mean, who cares?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Like that made no sense to me why she would
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: even get mad. If anything, it made me feel uncomfortable.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Their relationship, the girls seemed very physical. It seemed very close.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: And you're on a show to meet a guy. that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you want to marry. So I don't understand why the
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: fact that they had dated, clearly he had dated someone
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: in the past. I mean, unfortunately it was the girl
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that you've become friends with, but if anything, I would
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: have been more pissed at Lydia because she knew this
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: whole time and she was trying to befriend me. trying
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to hear my feelings about this dude. So to me,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I thought that was really weird and uncomfortable. And I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: felt bad for Uche that his, you know, he made
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a real attempt to work it out with someone and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: she left because of the conversation she was having with Lydia,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: no longer trusted him. But I still didn't get that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, why would you want to be with
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: someone who leaves just because you hear you have a
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: car and a home and some girl slept with you?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, that seems kind of dumb.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I... God, I couldn't even, like, I feel bad for,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: for Aaliyah and UJ. I mean, regardless, like, how all
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: that happened. I mean, nobody asked for it. I think.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: if I can.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: And then I think, sorry to interrupt you, but I
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: just want to say, and then I could see why
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Uche spent the rest of the time being like, I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: need to prove that this ruined my time.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Like I need to prove that Lydia came, she knew,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and this has ruined everything. And I'm pissed. Like I,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I got it. Like for you, Izzy, like, think of
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: a girl that you had dated a couple months before
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you her name. Let's say
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: her name is Jennifer. Pretend you are in the pods
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and Jennifer shows up and starts talking to you. It
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: was like, Hey, want to try this again? And you're like, no,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: but I mean, you're here. So we're just going to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: pretend we don't know each other. How would you have reacted?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Um if somebody would have went off like if she
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: would have went off kind of thing you know stuff
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: like i would have been a little bit pissed yeah
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: right i feel like that's the conversation where it's like
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: hey we're mutual on this let's just like be adults
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: not you know say much about it and let's let's
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: enjoy you know the experience kind of thing right um
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: you see like i see that that's what i'm saying
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: like it's hard to like really know and i'm not
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: taking anybody's side on this but then again i don't
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: know how the edit really was or how it was
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: the girls like over there and if lydia was just
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: trying to be a good friend and like look out
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: um i think during reunion lydia did say like i
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: should have read the room as in she overshare um
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and i think she realized that um So, yeah, I
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: would say that's probably the only part. Like, maybe I
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: can see your side. You're being a good friend. And
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it's kind of letting her know. But I think she did,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: you know, mention that she did overshare a little too
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: much information going in depth of, like, the type of
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: car he drove, the name of the dog and stuff
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: like that. Right. Yeah. So it's really hard to tell because, like, yes,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I put myself in a taste spot and I would
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: be pretty pissed off. And then I'm trying to see, like,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Lydia's side and being a good friend. So, yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's hard and I guess we'll never know.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, unfortunately, you know, I think
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that two people didn't get to have an experience because
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of what happened. And that's a bummer whether or not
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: production new. I do have one question. When you guys
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: are being interviewed to come in, do you have to
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: lay out like. how you're worthy as a partner, kind
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of like, again, we got into the whole thing with
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: your finances. I know there was another couple on the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: show where finances became a problem. He was edited out.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: She was edited out. But like, do they ask you
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: if you get engaged? Are you capable of being in
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a relationship because your finances are squared away? You have
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: a job. You can literally move from a show to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a real life relationship. Are they asking you about your finances?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: So they, I mean, they do background checks on it. Um,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: so yeah, so they like see everything. Obviously they'll give, like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: they make it fill out a bunch of stuff. Um,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you know, what we do, obviously we have to give
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: them like our, a title of what we do. Cause
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it's under our name when you see it, you know
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Um, they don't ask you specifically, can
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: you provide for your partner? I think, um, anyone, um,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like if you're going to do something like this,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: you should be able to provide for your partner. Unless
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: that's the case, you shouldn't be going on this show.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But specifically, no, that's not
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: something they ask. They ask us more just like, you know,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: about ourselves, hobbies, our relationship history, you know, girls we've
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: dated in the past and, you know, pictures of that
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that to kind of get a feel
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: for you. Um, but I mean, I feel like they,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, with them running the background check, they can
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: pretty much see everything. So, um, so yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Um, okay. Another big thing that's come out of love
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: is blind is that there's been a lot of backlash
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: about Nick and Vanessa. Um, what was your relationship with them?
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: How often were they actually involved?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Um, as far as like in the filming or like
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: in the pod, we only saw them once. Um, And
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: then when we had our suit fittings and stuff, that
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: was a lot more intimate one-on-one time with Nick. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I know the girls got like that one-on-one interaction with Vanessa.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: As far as reunion, I feel like they did great.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel like they were taking anybody's side or
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: anything like that. I thought they were actually kind of
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: funny on it. And so... Yeah, I felt like I
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: did a really good job this reunion. It wasn't, you know,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: in all the comments that were said before from like
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: previous seasons, reunions or anything like that. I felt like
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: they did a really good job. Okay, good.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And you felt like they were invested in your story,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: in everyone's story and were paying attention. They weren't just
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: showing up to do a little emceeing.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. No, yeah. They were definitely invested and
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I felt like they were invested in everyone equally. Like
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: they weren't just taking somebody's side. Even if someone was
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: in the wrong or didn't have a good moment, they
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: didn't just throw that on you. They would always also
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: feel like, but Hey, we did see that you did
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: do this, you know, on the positive side kind of thing. So, um,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: which I appreciate it. Cause I know some people on
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: there could have gotten grilled for sure, but they were,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: they were super sweet, super cool. And they were very fair. Good.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Glad to hear that. Um, what's the reaction been of fans, um,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: or people that aren't fans, um, with your new found fame?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Um, Everyone's been super supportive and just really, you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: hope that I find love. I think everyone's finally seen
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: like the genuine side of me and just like who
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I really am. And they've been super supportive. A lot
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: of people were heartbroken for me. But everyone's been pretty,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: you know, pretty great. Obviously, I've gotten a lot of
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the backlash with the Johnny situation. But I mean, at
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, it happened. I made a mistake.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I learned from it. You know, I apologize to her. Um,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: but like leaving that behind and moving forward, like everyone's
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: been super supportive and especially now with a new girlfriend,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: like everyone's super pumped for me. So it's been pretty cool.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, when she said no to
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you at the altar, that was really heartbreaking. Cause I
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people were rooting for you. They
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: thought that you were the couple out of the two
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: couples that could make it, um, you know, and, uh, I,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I also thought it was a little, heartbreaking that it
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: seemed that she had said so openly while she was
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: standing in front of you I love you so much
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want to lose you I just can't marry
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you which I think makes sense right I mean it's
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: in reality, that makes a lot of sense. But if
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: she really felt that way, I would have thought she
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: would have continued your relationship. So it just made me
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, it was not, you know, she
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: just was trying to get out of it. And that
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: was really heartbreaking because you really see that no matter what, uh,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: curveball she throws at you, no matter her attitude, her tone,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: you're always even keel and being really nice in retaliation
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: as opposed to getting angry. And the only time you
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: kind of blew up, you didn't even blow up, you
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: went into the closet and cried. So it's kind of
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: like you really come across, I think all in all
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: very well. And I think everyone is rooting for you.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And as you said, now we know that you do
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: have a girlfriend. I think at the reunion, it was
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like iffy, maybe it was just something not, too big
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of a deal. But in the last couple of days,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: we've seen that you guys have matching tattoos that are
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: representing the night that you went on your first date.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: It sounds like, right? Cause it says chef.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Explain what the tattoo means.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: So we, our first date was the cooking class. And
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: so her and I, we just have fun with it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Anything the chef would ask of us, you know, we'd
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: do the yes chef. We ever seen like bear tattoo.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: And so we just stuck with it. And then when
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: her and I, we talk or ask for each other
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: for anything, we're all like, yeah, she asked for each other.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: So it just stuck. And so it was crazy because
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: she flew out there to meet me for reunion after reunion.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: So the next day after reunion is when we got
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: the tattoo. So I knew I was going to ask
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: her to be my girlfriend. I just hadn't asked her yet.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: But I mean, it happened days after that.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: You're so cute that you asked her to be your girlfriend,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't just like insinuated in your behaviors. That's sweet.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Not many men do that anymore.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: So how long have you guys been dating now?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: About like a good three months now, seeing each other officially.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I want to say probably about like three weeks. Um,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: but we had been hanging out getting to know each
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: other for about three months.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Got it. And, and did she watch all the episodes
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: with you?
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Not with me. Um, she watched the Mexico episodes with
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: her friends, um, which I felt was okay. Um, she
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: did watch the wedding one with me. Um, and she
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: watched reunion with me and then like the pods and
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: everything else she watched on her own. So it was tough.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I give her so much props because to
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: be on the other side of it, I don't know
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: how she did it, but she's kept her composure. If anything,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: she's kept me sane through everything. She's super supportive, super calm. And,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I know she didn't want to watch. I
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: wanted her to watch just so she can see that
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: like the type of man she will be getting when
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: she does date me. Because I am that way with
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: all my girlfriends. So that was kind of one reason
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I did want her to watch. But I understand like
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: where she was coming from at the same time. But
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: she did. She's glad it's all over and, she has
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: me to herself now. And it's all good. It's great now. Good.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I love that. So after all of this, is there
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: something you would change about how they do the show
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: going forward? Now that you've watched all the seasons and
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: you've partaken in one of them, is there a suggestion
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: to make things work that you would do differently?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: No, not really. I mean, obviously you've heard a bunch
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: of allegations in the past of them not feeding us
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: or not, or forcing us to drink or all that stuff.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: This is what I'll say. Number one, know what you're
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: signing up for. Like don't sign up for something and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: be a crybaby later on down the road. Reality TV
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: is not for everybody. So if you can't hack it,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: don't do that for one. Two, they fed us. There
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: was food all the time. If anything, I gained weight
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: doing Love is Blind. And the alcohol is there whenever
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: you want it, but no one encourages you to drink.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Rob on the show does not drink alcohol. He never
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: even drank once. They never even pressured him. As far
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: as the sleep, I mean, we have the lounge. Use
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: your time wisely. If you're tired, take a nap. You
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: can sleep in the pod. And they have a hotel
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: room for us afterwards. So although I went through a heartbreak,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: and emotional stress and everything like that, I would, I
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: would do the show again because at the end of
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: the day, I'm a hopeless romantic. And if I were single,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: it was the best way to date.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: So you believe in the show?
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it works. Like if you really put like submit
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: yourself to it, it works.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that if this lasts between you and
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: your girlfriend, you will ask Nick and Vanessa to get
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you on the ultimatum?
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: No way. I could never do that show. And I
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: have a feeling that if I do propose to this girl,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: everything's going to go smooth and we're not going to
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: need an ultimatum. Okay, good.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I love hearing that too.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Biggest question of the day. Have you gotten regular plates?
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I have. I've got plates, silverware, everything. Glasses to drink
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: out of.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Did you get a side table?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got a nice stand too. And I've actually
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: refurnished my entire apartment. I got all new furniture. I
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: got rid of the Hobby Lobby decor, the live, laugh,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: love stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I saw there was a big conspiracy theory that you
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: were renting it as an Airbnb because all that stuff
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: looked like a girl had put that together.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I actually did that all myself. It was
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: like decor from, I want to say like 2017, 2018.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: And I just kind of brought it with me and
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I just left it up. I mean, I never would
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  Speaker 2: have people over to hang out during the day to
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: really notice. It was always, as you can see, I
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: had to, what was it, the little, the drawer of
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: the lost and found.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: The lost and found.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Which that's gone, by the way. Good. But yeah, no,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: it was just old decor that I had up. Pinterest, fellas,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: it goes a long way. I don't know how to decorate.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: That's how I got that stuff up. And that's why
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: it looks a little feminine.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so funny.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Well, again, not that there's anything wrong with it. You
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: have your own style and you're very cute because of it.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: All right, Izzy, am I missing anything else that you
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: want to talk about or get across?
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Not really. No, pretty easy going. All right.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Well, so what what are you doing now for work?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: What are you what's going on in your life now?
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I do insurance. I'm still doing the insurance. Yeah. I
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: had left back to my old job. So originally I
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: did business sales for AT & T. I did that
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: for like eight years. Left that to do Love is Blind,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: but I left on good terms. So I knew I
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: could come back. And plus I was just bored with it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I wanted a challenge and like a more, what do
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: they call it? Work-life balance. And so that's why I
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: did the insurance. It was a better schedule. I could
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: take time off. I wanted to start traveling and doing
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: all that. Um, then I ended up going back to
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: AT & T, um, uh, after Love is Blind, like
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: a few months ago, but the insurance I was doing
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: so well at it, uh, I just like stuck with that.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: So now that's what I'm doing, but now just like
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: maximizing with any opportunities that come with this.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I saw, I saw, it looks like on
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: your Instagram, you're doing like barter deals or you're doing like,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you know, going to a spa and promoting the spa and.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Doing all that stuff.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Welcome to fame, Izzy.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Good luck with all that. Thank you.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And no, I think the people watching really adore you.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: They wish the best for you. Everyone is rooting for you.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Tell people where they can find you or, you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: follow your story.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: So my Instagram is Izzy Sabata underscore and then at
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: TikTok at Izzy Sabata too. Awesome.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Izzy, thank you so much for joining me today.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure.
• 54:29
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• 54:32
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• 54:55
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