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Hebrews Part 41 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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All right, we'll get started. Welcome to our weekly Bible
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study where we study the Word of God and we let it transform our
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lives. We got study here with the four
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of us for the next hour going to talk about what God has for us
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So we're going to be going through Hebrews starting in
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verse 18 tonight. That's where we're going to get
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started. So before we do that though, I
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would probably have Andrew open us up with a word of prayer.
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Alright, let's pray. God, we thank you so much for
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the scripture that we're able to go through and we know that it's
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sure we know that it's it's not going to ever change.
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It's not going to ever be bent or broken or compromised in any
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way, but that it's always going to stand.
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And I just pray that we would get the full weight of it
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tonight and we wouldn't be able to, that we wouldn't be dancing
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around the seriousness of it and some pretty hard stuff we're
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going to discuss tonight and hard exhortations.
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We pray for your Spirit to lead us and to guide us in everything
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we say in Jesus name, Amen. Amen.
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All right, I'm going to read verses 18 through 21.
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It says, For ye are not come unto the mouth that might be
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touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and
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darkness, and Tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, and the
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voice of words, which voice they that heard and treated, that the
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word should not be spoken to them anymore, where they could
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not endure that which was commanded.
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And if so much as a beast touched the mountain, it shall
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be stoned, or thrust through with a dart.
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And so terrible was a sight that Moses said by exceedingly fear
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and quake so long and but then the next word is but and then
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he's going to contrast this what he's saying here with this the
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other side of the coin here. He's he's it could be a contrast
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situation here coming off of the heels of of course, you know,
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faith. And then we talked about last
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week a lot about the chastisement.
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If you are a true son and not a a bastard or a illegitimate son,
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then you will be chastened sometimes in your life.
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And we talked about how that this this is a sure sign of a
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true believer is that he will get chastened because of a
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bastard or illegitimate son. A would not.
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And this of course, in context would be these people that are
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claiming Jesus, but are hanging on to the law and their their
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salvation by the law, but using, you know, the gospel as
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secondary, secondary thing or whatever.
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So he's making that point. And of course, right before
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this, he's talking about Esau having he was rejected and even
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though he looked for repentance carefully with tears, it says it
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wasn't available because he rejected this at the same way
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with us, you know, if we reject Christ, there's no more hope or
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whatever. So anyway, now he's just simply
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talking about us not coming to this physical place, but he's
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going to talk about what we are actually a part of here in a
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minute. But any thoughts on these versus
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or prior Edward? Yeah, I think it's versus that
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we don't touch them as much as we should.
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Probably God thought it necessary to tell us, tell these
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believers that are struggling and that are being deceived by
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Judaizers. And he's telling them, look,
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this is this. He spent what, 11 chapters or 10
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chapters talking about how the sacrifice of Christ and, and
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where he came from and all the things that he's done.
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He's much better. And in chapter 10, he talked a
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lot about the significance of the offering of Christ, how it
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perfected us forever. That's really good news it He
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took our sins away once and for all to never be remembered.
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They're gone. And so that's what the blood of
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Christ offers, complete freedom, complete deliverance, and also
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the death and resurrection promises freedom from sin and a
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new life in God, a new creature. And a lot of that is lived out
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based on faith in believing what God has promised in spite of our
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physical reality and what we feel.
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And so he challenged us with faith in the entire chapter of
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11. And then now in 12, he's telling
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us if we have such such an opportunity, such an offering
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that takes away our sins, that takes away everything that
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perfects us and we're completely covered.
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We're we're ready to be presented before God, blameless
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and just don't go back to the law and also don't walk in sin.
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Like it just said, like in the verses prior, like fornications
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and profane people. He's like, we have something way
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better than that. And then in these verses that
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you just read, he's talking about, you know, if Moses, that
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mountain back in that time under that covenant, if you touch that
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mountain, you die. It was so dark, it was so
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horrifying on that mount that Moses was quaking and shaking.
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That's how serious it was. It was like life and death.
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And if you didn't do the right thing, you died.
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And he's like, look, we have a sprinkling, we have a blood, we
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have a Jesus that made us right with God.
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Don't lay it aside like Esau did over comfort because you're
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hungry, because things are tough.
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Don't start walking in sin. Don't allow sin walking.
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The victory that we have, we have something much better than
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even that. And he's telling us he's
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actually challenging us. This is the challenge that I
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think that we need to get that he's telling us like look, if if
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that was the the just recompense of reward for the ones that
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disobeyed God back then and they touched the mountain and died.
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How much more punishment will you have?
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If you have a much better sacrifice, a much better, better
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way, a free gift and you're going to reject it for something
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else and you're going to walk in sin and count that offering
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lightly. You're not going to take that
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offering serious and you're not going to honor it and respect it
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and walk in righteousness because of that amazing gift
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that you have, then go to hell. Like it's way worse.
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It's way worse to reject Jesus Christ than it was to touch the
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mountain unclean or to do what Aaron was doing according to
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what I see here, according to what Aaron did with the people
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and they made a calf and God was upset and 30,000 died.
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How much more do you think we're going to get punished if we
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reject? If you get to know who Jesus
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was, if you've tasted like you said early in the chapters, if
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you've tasted the good word of God and you have known the
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gospel and you reject it and you go back to the thing that that
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was terrifying. It's not going to go well for
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us. And that's not law.
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That's just saying we have such grace, such mercy that if you
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reject that, you're just a total idiot and you're going to like,
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there's no, it's going to be really bad if you reject this
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gospel is what I would see in this passage.
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Yeah, what you were referring to there was in Hebrews 10 verse
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29, where it says How much sore punishment suppose ye shall be
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thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and
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have counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith He was
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sanctified and unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the
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spirit of grace. Yeah, I would say he's building
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on that here. Wouldn't you?
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Yeah. Sure.
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OK. My screen got all messed up
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according to the order that it was in prior.
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I don't know if yours did out of the bottom corner now.
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But anyway, Melvin, go ahead. Yeah, I so honestly here he's
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talking about, you know, Mount Sinai and he's referring to like
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Andrew was saying, he's referring to that as the law,
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you know that. And he's going to contrast that
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in the, in the next verses with, you know, who Christ is and his
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Kingdom and his heavenly Kingdom.
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But I think it, it's really important that we read this and
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understand this, that, that we understand what Christ did for
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us, actually for us. You know, we have the the
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scriptures and we can read the scriptures and we read through
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these accounts like Mount Sinai, you know, and we really don't
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think about it actually, you know, what it was like for the
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children of Israel there and Moses and Aaron when there was
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no grace, like there was no, there wasn't Christ grace and
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mercy there. And so it was the law like you,
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they could not touch that mountain, not even a beast.
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I mean it, it says there you read that account that they had
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to put a fence around it or whatever so that for sure
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nothing would touch that mountain.
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And I one thing I wasn't quite sure was it says, it says there
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that the sound of the trumpet and the voice of the words which
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the voice that they heard and treated that the word should not
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be spoken to them anymore. I was, I had looked up that
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account. It's in Genesis, this account,
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but I couldn't really find. They was just saying, you know,
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how God came down there on Mount Sinai there and it was like it
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described the lightnings and the thunderings and how awful it
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actually was that the presence of God was coming down there on
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Mount Sinai, or not the presence, but God himself was
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coming on the mount. But I couldn't really find
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anything about the boy. He did speak.
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It says there that God spoke to Moses and the people heard it,
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but that's all it says. So I'm not sure.
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It it's actually it's Exodus. It's Exodus 20 and verse 19.
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It's after this happens, they said unto Moses, Exodus 2019.
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They said unto Moses, speak thou with us and we will hear, but
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let not God speak with us, lest we God.
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Yeah, that's what that's what he's referring to.
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Is that right there? That makes sense.
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So it was. It's not the Genesis account,
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but it's later. In Exodus, yeah.
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Yeah. So I, it's just important for
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us, I think to like, there's a reason he put this in here,
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right, for us to understand. Look like he's still contrasting
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the law versus. Christ, that's right.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's actually what I was
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kind of going to point to is, is this this particular thing he's
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referring back to? Is this Exodus I think account,
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I think that's what he's referring back to there in
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Exodus, probably in probably even in that verse or chapter
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20. But how that the mountain burned
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with fire. And like I said, they made that
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comment that you just talked to us.
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We can't stand God speaking anymore because that law he
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actually says, I mean that's what it said in verse 19, which
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voice they that heard and treated that the word should not
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be spoken to them anymore. In other words, they were so
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fearful of it and you actually it's another one of those
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tidbits we don't get in another place.
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It even says there in verse 21 that it was so terrible that of
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the side that Moses said I exceedingly fear and quake.
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Now that's actually not in that's a new tidbit.
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We don't get that tidbit from the Exodus count that Moses said
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it was so scary that I that I actually feared and quaked.
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But the verse that that reminded me of is in Second Corinthians
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chapter 3 or verses 2nd Corinthians 3 and verse 6.
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It says this, Who also hath made us able ministers of the New
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Testament, not of the letter, but of the Spirit.
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For the letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life.
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But if the ministration of death written and engraved in stones,
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like you know, like the 10 commandments wrote on stones,
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written and engraved in stones, was glorious, so the children of
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Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the
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glory of his countenance, which glory was to be done away.
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How shall, how shall not the ministration of the Spirit be
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rather glorious? For if the ministration of
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condemnation be glory, much more does the ministration of
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righteousness exceed in glory. So they, they interpreted it
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right, when God comes down and gives this law, do this, don't
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do this, all these things, it was ministering death on them,
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right? I mean, it really was, it was,
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it was just a handing out of rules that they would not keep
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and could not keep and was going to bring death on them and they
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were afraid of it, right? I mean, that's that's his that's
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his point here in Hebrews 1218 to 18 through 21 is it was a
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terrible sight. It was fearful like it scared.
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And like I said, we, you don't get that from the Exodus
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account, but it scared even Moses, like he goes up in the
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mouth unlike everybody else because he's called, but he was
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afraid of it, right? I mean, he's scared of this.
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And this is a very like I said, it's, it's a well, you all
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already said this, but it is a contrast.
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But he's making the point first, how fearful it was when God
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spake, how terrible it was and how serious it was and how
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actually that's what he said in Corinthians in that verse 6, he
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said the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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In other words, I guess you could, I know we've said this
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maybe before. It does potentially have life
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with it if you keep it all, but it actually is a ministration of
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death. It actually kills, not makes
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alive. It's like Galatians says that if
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the law could have given life, then there would be no need to
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seek for the second, you know? So there's really not life in
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this law. There's actually just
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condemnation and death in it. And that's why they were afraid,
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right? I mean, they were, they were
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afraid of that. And then you haven't read those
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verses, but he's going to compare that to the to the New
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Testament and to Christ. And how much?
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How much different mess, how much, how much more of a
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different message it is you know in comparison?
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Right. Yeah, go ahead.
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I was just going to say, yeah, I had that wrong.
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I said Genesis, it was Exodus 20, that or 19 where the account
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is. I should have kept on reading.
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I read 19 and I didn't keep on reading.
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I said that wrong. It was actually Exodus 19.
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I think I, but I'm glad you pointed that out because I just
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had a thought when you were talking about that, if you think
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about it. So up to this point, right up to
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this Mount Sinai account is happening, there was no law like
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every man did. I think if I remember correctly,
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it said every man did what is was right in their own eyes,
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right. So they had no law up till now.
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And it is a terrible thing. It's death.
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I'm glad you pointed that out there.
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Yeah, and, and two, you know, sometimes we don't appreciate
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what we have unless we see what we don't have.
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You know, like to, you know, people want to nowadays, you
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hear a lot of people talking about where the verses were
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talks about fearing God. They want to say, well, that's a
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reverent, you know, supposed to be a reverent fear.
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I disagree with that actually. I think that word fear is just
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simply the word fear. And here is why.
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You know, like if you were to fall into the hands of a God
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that is omnipotent and you don't have your sins forgiven by the
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Son of God, that it would be a terrible like, like it would be
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a a terrible, terrible, terrible situation because our city is
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great and his merciful beds righteousness doesn't perfect
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us. And, and think about this
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example, he, he actually tells them, well, well, if you go back
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and read the account, Moses goes up, God calls him to come up in
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the mountain. He goes up and he just, I mean,
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he hasn't the more than got there.
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And God says, turn around and go back less.
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You know, they're trying, they're getting too close.
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They're trying to peek in here and see me.
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And he says, lest I break forth on them.
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So Moses actually Moses is like, oh Lord, you've you've commanded
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them not to. And he says, Moses, get down
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there and tell them not to get too close.
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So they were actually getting close and going to maybe try to
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peek up in the cloud and see if they can see God or I don't know
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what they were going to do, but but here's my point.
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God says if they get too close, they are undefiled.
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Evidently the animals are even undefiled because he says if
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they get too close, death is just going to reach out and grab
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them, right? I'm just going to kill them.
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I'm going to break forth on them and kill them.
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So that's, I think that's the other thing we're going to see
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here is this law is it's going to bring destruction.
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Whereas in the contrast of this in 22 to through 24, where God's
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bringing life through this, right?
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In other words, it was it was literally death.
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It was literally don't get too close because you're undefiled
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and you're going to be consumed by me.
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You know, like, hence the end of the chapter.
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He's a consuming fire. He's going to consume what is
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defiled. But then the new message is
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going to be that he's got a blood that speaks better than
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what Abel did, and there's life and acceptance in this, but it
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was not that way. Yeah, Yep, 100%.
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I don't, I don't think that we would know what light is unless
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we have seen darkness. You know, if we wouldn't know
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anything other than light, that we wouldn't know what, you know,
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what it is. You know, that's kind of what
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he's doing here. He's showing us what what we've
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been delivered, part of what we've been delivered from.
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So Andrew, if you want to, if you have something that you want
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to interject, you just need to either raise your head or now on
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mutech, I got you muted because of that noise again.
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So, or, or you can, whatever you just click on, if you click on
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hang on a second. Yeah, if you, if you click on
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that, put your clicker over your face.
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Well then, just hit that little microphone looking thing and
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that'll that'll on mute. OK, so 2223 and 24 say, But ye
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are come, but big. But there be are come unto Mount
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Zion and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly
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Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the
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General Assembly and Church of the first born which are written
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in heaven, and to God the Judge of all and to the spirits of
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just men made perfect. Oh, I like that.
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And to Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant, and to the
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blood of sprinkling that speaketh better things than that
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of Abel. So so now we get the what he's
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actually contrasting to. Go ahead and I got you.
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Oh yeah, he's, he's doing his contracting again.
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And what I see is that when, when he's asking us to, to
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multiply or to add and count the costs, it's like under the old
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covenant, this is what happened. And this is what the reward was
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for what they, how they acted. In other words, on that
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mountain, you didn't want to come up closer.
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You got you died. And he's telling us you don't
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want to meet God based on your condition.
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Like in your condition, you don't want to meet him like that
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without, with the blood of Abel or the blood of bulls and goats.
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And you started going up that mountain, you're dead.
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If I started going up to that mountain thinking, you know
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what, I lived in righteousness in the last month, I didn't, I
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didn't get really mad. I didn't say a lot of cuss words
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and I'm actually feeling pretty good about myself.
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I'm going to start up that mountain.
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I've had a pretty good record in the last six months, actually,
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I've been doing pretty good. I start up that mountain, you
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know, I'm like, you know, I'm circumcised.
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I, I get some of these things that God pleases God and I kept
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the garden pretty good. I'm going to start up that
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mountain. You're going to be dead.
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You're going to die. You'd be fearful, be trembling.
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And he's telling us that's the way it was back then.
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And now we have this blood that speaks much better things than
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that of Abel. It's the kind of blood that
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makes men perfect. And we're we're in a in the
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company of innumerable angels that witnessed the sacrifice,
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that witnessed the blood and that witnessed, I believe us
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coming to Christ. They witnessed us believe in the
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gospel and it's innormable. We got all kinds of witnesses
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that are going to say, yeah, they believe Christ and we're
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under the blood and we're under redemption.
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And again, we need to count the cost.
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The way you can tell someone is not valuing this gospel that we
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have is when we start walking loosely, like walking in sin.
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You don't value. We don't value.
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We've been drawn away from the value and the power and the
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preciousness of the sacrifice and the forgiveness that we have
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and the power to live above it. It's kind of like buying a, a
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brand new pair of boots as long times you don't want to get in
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the mud or when you do get in the mud, you bring them home,
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you wash them. But after a while, if they get a
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little older, you just kind of let them be dirty.
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But the gospel is so significant, if we would
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understand it, we wouldn't want to get it anywhere close to sin
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where it would get defiled in any way or make the appearance
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if you're filing it or getting in the mud, like it'd be like
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dropping a diamond in the mud. And also the way you know you
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don't value the gospel, the significance of the, the full
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sacrifice is when you start keeping some kind of law, then
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you are undermining the value that that gospel had.
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And you're saying it's not quite as good as it says it is.
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And it it, it doesn't have the power of attorney's status that
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it claims to have to where it can call you perfect where to
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call you sanctified, set apart, ready to meet God, Everything's
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done and it was a gift. So anytime that somebody still
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preaches any kind of law, that makes sense why Paul would say
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that if you keep one, if you if you try to keep one law and you
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break one law and you're guilty of the whole thing, that's
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counting that's that's adding correctly.
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That is, if value, putting the right kind of value on the
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sacrifice is when you understand that if you keep, if you need to
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keep one part of the law, if you if you keep, if you're under the
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law and you don't keep everyone of them, if you break one,
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you're guilty of the whole thing.
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If you're circumcised, you're falling from grace because
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you're not valuing this sacrifice as a perfect
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sacrifice, you're undermining it.
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So those verses make a lot of sense, lot more sense than I
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ever did before. Why?
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I always wondered, why would he say that that's so harsh?
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It's because we're not adding properly.
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He says that if, if the people were punished so severely back
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on that mount scenario deal there, how much more you think
26:11
you're going to get punished if you do not count the blood
26:14
correctly, If you counted an unworthy thing, an unholy thing.
26:17
And just like, well, you know what?
26:18
It's not working. And so let's embrace that faith
26:22
challenge and know that that blood is actually sufficient.
26:25
The sacrifice is sufficient, always will be, and never, ever
26:29
go back to some kind of law. And if you do, you said as your
26:33
conscience is seared, your conscience is fright, and you've
26:35
been listening to the doctrines of devils and you've fallen from
26:38
grace. And that's the way I'm going to
26:42
call it. It's straight.
26:43
And you do any of those things, might as well say you're not a
26:48
believer. You've fallen from faith and
26:50
just departed. And that's the expectation here
26:52
in Hebrew. It's a perfect free gift that
26:54
you can walk in and believe in and trust in at full confidence,
26:57
fully persuaded, a true anger of the soul, not removed,
27:01
unshakable sure foundation. But if the moment you lose
27:06
confidence in that, it's worse than the not keeping the law.
27:12
How often do we discredit the cleansing power of Jesus, like
27:17
say, yeah, I don't have a new creation in God, but you know,
27:21
we go and make excuses for this and go and, yeah, deal with this
27:25
stuff that that passed away with the old man.
27:27
Kind of, yeah. Make a lot of excuses like,
27:29
well, it was the flesh or Satan made me do it.
27:31
Yeah, it was the old man or it's in, you know, the sinful nature.
27:35
We make all these excuses. That's all undermining the work
27:38
of Christ and it's not counting the value.
27:41
It's not we're not evaluating the cross enough.
27:44
Like I just and and my friend that died, he had a a 45 Colt
27:51
long rifle that I found in the pile of trash in a nice box in a
27:57
nice like a nice cloth wrapped up.
28:01
And it's 24 karat gold plated, long rifle, Colt lever action,
28:07
gold plated. And you know, that makes you
28:11
handle that gun a little different, you know, like you
28:13
value that gun different than any other gun.
28:16
And I'm not going to go out and deer hunt with like, you know.
28:19
And so if we would value anytime I am tempted to walk and sin or
28:26
go back to the law or lust or fornicate like you was just
28:29
mentioning in the mercy class, it's because I'm not remembering
28:34
the value and the significance of the victory that I have in
28:37
Christ. Good.
28:39
Stuff, Belvin Yeah. So to me, like, so if you're
28:44
going to live by the law, like if you're going to go back to
28:47
the law and live by the law, you're not, you're never going
28:50
to know if you're good enough or if you're doing things good
28:54
enough, right? I mean, you're always in doubt.
28:57
And what he's contrasting here is what he's doing here is he's
29:02
showing us in Christ when we put our faith in the grace of Christ
29:07
in Christ alone, it's like a position.
29:10
He's showing us a position that we have in Christ.
29:14
So if you read it, he says, but ye are calm unto Mount Zion.
29:19
So in other words, this is not, I mean, yes, someday we are
29:23
going to go to the and be part of like the New Jerusalem is
29:26
going to come down on this earth and we're going to be the new
29:28
head of new earth. But he's speaking here now like
29:32
we are calm. But ye are common to Mount
29:34
Sinai, and unto the city of the living God, and the heavenly
29:38
Jerusalem, and incomparable company of angels, like in other
29:41
words, we are there now today. And the reason I know that is
29:45
because in Ephesians 2 it says this.
29:49
It says, But God who is rich in his mercy for his great love
29:54
wherewith He loved us even when we were dead in sins, has
29:57
quickened us together with Christ for by grace you're
30:01
saved. And this is like you need to
30:03
catch this. And then and then it says in
30:05
verse 6IN Ephesians 26, it says and hath raised us up together
30:10
and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus
30:14
that is now in Christ. We are sitting in heavenly
30:18
places with Christ, right? And that's what it's saying
30:23
here. So it's just the contrast is so
30:26
drastic and it's like you were saying, Andrew, is that if we
30:30
can understand that, then we would treat the gospel of Christ
30:36
and treat Christ with a lot. More.
30:39
Reverence I think right I mean it's just that simple anyway
30:44
there's a lot more things I could say about that but it's
30:48
just so good I mean he just he the whole thing though he says
30:52
here but. Your church you're.
30:54
In the with the General Assembly of the Church of the First Form,
30:57
which are written in heaven. And and you also are to Jesus
31:01
the mediator of the new covenant to the blood of springing.
31:05
That is speaking better things than that of Abel.
31:07
So I it's just there's no contrast.
31:11
I mean, yeah, there's a huge contrast, but it's just, why
31:15
would you stray away from that, right?
31:18
Innumerable angels in heaven, seated in heaven.
31:20
That's good that Ephesians. We're seated in heaven like
31:23
places in Christ Jesus, surrounded with innumerable
31:27
angels. Yeah, that's good.
31:29
Stuff. And we're going to walk away
31:31
from that, and we're going to cheapen it by keeping some law
31:34
that's ridiculous. No, Why?
31:36
No wonder Paul calls them always liars and slow bellies.
31:42
You're not passionate about this subject at all, are you, Andrew?
31:45
I just don't. Oh, that's good.
31:48
Eric going. Mad.
31:49
It makes me really mad. You know it does.
31:52
Me too. That's the way people just count
31:54
God like that. Yeah, go ahead.
31:58
I, I was going to kind of go backwards and read another verse
32:01
from that Exodus 20 account and then go forward.
32:05
It says in Exodus 20. I read 19 a while ago, but
32:12
Exodus 20 and verse 18 says, and this is directly like it
32:17
literally is the 10th commandment is spoken in verse
32:20
17. Exodus 2017 is thou shalt not
32:23
covet. Verse 18 says soon as he gets
32:26
done speaking, the 10th commandment, it says, and all
32:28
the people saw the thunderings and lightnings and noise of the
32:33
trumpet and the mountain smoking.
32:35
And when the people saw it, they removed and stood afar off.
32:39
So get this picture. They have walked, Moses has
32:43
walked up in the mountain, start with, they've all kind of
32:46
followed him over there, got a little closer, maybe peeking up
32:49
on it. God says get back down there and
32:51
tell him I said get back or I'm going to consume them.
32:55
Moses goes back down, warns them, they step back.
32:58
God speaks the commands. That's what Exodus 20 is.
33:01
He speaks the 10 commandments and as he is doing so, there's
33:06
all these thunderings and lightnings and a noise of a
33:09
trumpet and the people literally don't have to be told anymore.
33:12
They just step back from the mountain, right?
33:15
I mean, that's what it says. They step back away from the
33:18
mountain. And then that's when they said
33:19
verse 19, you just talk to us. Moses don't let God talk
33:23
anymore. He's too terrible.
33:26
So that's that was what they were hearing and seeing.
33:29
And then in contrast to that, think about the like, I'm kind
33:35
of like Andrew. It that that makes me want to
33:37
shout a little bit all the things that is that we are
33:40
approaching too, right? We're approaching unto Mount
33:43
Zion. Mount Zion, which is where
33:45
Christ will be offered. I mean, well, maybe not the
33:48
exact spot where he's offered, but that's the place of the
33:50
temple, right? I mean, that's Jerusalem.
33:52
You know that Mount Zion, he says, and unto the city of the
33:57
living God, the heavenly Jerusalem to an innumerable
34:01
company of angels. So you've got all these angels
34:04
that are in the crowd there to the General Assembly and Church
34:08
of the First Born, which are written in heaven.
34:11
That is all these people that have been cleansed, all these
34:15
people that are accepted by God. We're approaching to that.
34:19
We're approaching to God the judge of all and to the spirits.
34:23
This is very key. And to the spirits of just men
34:26
made perfect, right? So we are we're not approaching
34:31
unto a place in which commands are being handed out that scared
34:35
the people. We're approaching a place in
34:37
which people have been justified, right.
34:40
I mean that that's the. Point because we're.
34:42
Approaching a place where people have been made perfect and verse
34:46
24 to Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant.
34:49
So not not the one handing out the laws, but the one that is
34:55
kept him and is now speaking on our behalf, right.
34:59
I mean, we've talked about that in the previous chapters,
35:01
earlier chapters. We're approaching the mediator,
35:04
right, not not the not the consuming fire.
35:07
Really at this point, we're actually approaching the
35:10
mediator that's going to speak on our behalf to the Jesus, the
35:14
mediator, the new new covenant and to the blood of sprinkling
35:19
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
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And I've always loved that verse.
35:24
Like I really like that verse because if you remember Abel,
35:28
God says that Abel's blood, he says to Cain, that is God says
35:33
to Cain, I hear your brother's blood crying unto me from the
35:38
ground, right? And he was crying out.
35:41
I mean, he doesn't use the word, but it hadn't been crying out
35:44
for vengeance or justice, right? I mean, that's, that's what God
35:48
hears. He hears innocent blood saying
35:53
avenge me, right? But this blood that's sprinkled
35:56
here from the Jesus, the mediator new covenant is
36:00
speaking forgiveness and grace and mercy, right?
36:04
It's, it's, it's singing a different song, if you will.
36:08
And he says that's what we're approaching, too.
36:11
Man, that's really good. Thanks for bringing that out.
36:13
I was hoping you would or somebody would touch on that a
36:16
little bit. So while you were you guys were
36:19
talking there, I just quickly Googled what a mediator does and
36:27
it says, and I don't know that this necessarily applies exactly
36:30
this, just simply a Google search.
36:31
Like on a physical level here he is a facilitator that manages
36:36
the conversation, ensures everyone is heard and keeps the
36:39
discussion focused and productive.
36:42
He's a neutral guy that remains impartial, doesn't take sides,
36:46
and he doesn't offer legal advice to decide who is right or
36:49
wrong. You know that belongs to the
36:51
judge. And he's a process manager,
36:53
suggests ways to move forward. He has a reality tester, He
36:58
helps parties assess the practicality of solutions.
37:02
And then he's the agreement recorder.
37:04
Once the settlement is reached, he documents the terms and
37:08
writings and collects them for signature.
37:12
I mean, I just thinking how that is good when you think about
37:16
Jesus being the mediator of the new covenant, like not just your
37:21
mediator, but he is the mediator of the Duke.
37:24
He is the one that is overseeing this entire program.
37:29
This entire program He did. He didn't necessarily oversee
37:33
the law maybe, but he overseas this grace time, this time
37:39
period that we are that we are in that that is who he is the
37:43
mediator of and of course the mediator of the blood of
37:46
sprinkling as well, which is part of that, that covenant.
37:49
That's, that's beautiful. I just, I like Jesus for that.
37:53
You know, I, I, I love God, I, I, I, but I really like Jesus
37:58
for his role. I like that role that he has in
38:02
our conversation with the Almighty God, right?
38:08
I like that. That makes me feel heard.
38:12
Like we're not just, he's not just saying, well, this is what
38:15
God said. You do the best you can with
38:17
that. He is actually hearing us.
38:20
And it makes me feel valuable because he is saying that I hear
38:25
you. And we read about that earlier
38:27
in Hebrews. I hear you.
38:29
I am here to hear you and represent humanity to the throne
38:35
of God. I mean, if that doesn't make you
38:39
happy, that I don't know what in the world.
38:41
Ever. What?
38:42
Well, and think about this, think about the this just kind
38:46
of hit me, but think about what the point of a Messiah was.
38:50
How many times did God say, I'm going to send someone in in so
38:54
many words, so many different places, he's going to send
38:57
somebody that's going to heal you, right?
39:01
Yeah. So they all knew, you know, they
39:05
knew for the they they may not have thought about it, but they
39:08
all knew for the fact that they have to keep coming back over
39:12
and over again that they weren't really healed.
39:15
And the promise is I'm going to send somebody that is actually
39:18
going to heal all of you, all that will, you know, accept this
39:22
guy that I'm going to send. And and that's what you're
39:25
seeing here is not a approaching in which I hope God don't strike
39:29
me with leprosy or hope God don't just kill me dead on the
39:32
spot or whatever. But a guy that is bringing
39:35
healing, right? I mean, he's bringing what they
39:38
all have needed and desired, or at least the ones that looked
39:42
for it. We're desiring all this time,
39:44
you know, that he's, he's saying that's what you're approaching
39:47
to. And again, I don't know if we've
39:49
done this tonight, but I think that puts it in context in the
39:54
book that we're reading in, right?
39:56
In other words, these people, he is saying to them, and I'm sure
39:59
they were, or I hope they were, reminded of that.
40:03
That they, when they accepted Christ because we said that this
40:07
is a bunch of Hebrews that have accepted Christ, but are being
40:10
tempted to pull back from him. I think when they accepted him,
40:14
they saw the healing in him, right?
40:16
I mean, that they, they, they tasted the good gift.
40:19
They appreciated what he had to offer.
40:22
And he's saying, listen, don't go back and face the mountain.
40:25
That was terrible. You're already in the, the
40:29
innumerable company of angels, right?
40:31
I mean, you're already at the right spot.
40:33
Don't turn around and go back to something that is fearful.
40:36
And I think that's, you know, that's I'm sure he's saying this
40:39
for a purpose right here. Yeah, no, that's that's that's
40:44
so good. I I like to where it says, and
40:46
I'll read verse 25 here, but where he says, but ye are come
40:51
unto the mount science that is present tense.
40:54
You know, that is a current condition right now and it's not
40:59
something that we're striving to or reaching for.
41:02
That's right. We are and and now saying, you
41:05
know, that that represents the presence of God, right?
41:08
I mean on the on the mountain with Moses, it was a present, it
41:11
was God himself there. And like saying now with the
41:14
with the temple, you know, was it is where God resides.
41:19
It is going to reside again. So and he's saying you are here.
41:25
This is where you are, not on this mountain, not on, not over
41:28
here, but on in the presence of God.
41:32
No, no, that's actually XI meant to bring that out earlier.
41:34
That's a good point, because think about it. 1 mountain is
41:38
where law was handed out the other mountain in any form.
41:43
You want to look it up. This mountain of sound is where
41:46
God is approached and and atonement is made right.
41:50
So you know that that's very key in these verses. 1 mountain law
41:54
is handed out the other one atonements made on you know, and
41:58
that's that's really. Good.
42:00
Earlier I was trying to find it. We read it in Hebrews somewhere
42:03
where it says that that we can now come to the throne or to the
42:07
throne. Yeah, we can come to the throne
42:08
boldly, right. And and so that's, that's the
42:11
picture I'm getting as you're speaking, Aaron, right?
42:15
We we now have access directly to God through Christ, right?
42:23
So good, Andrew, you had unmuted yourself.
42:25
You were going to say something. I was going to highlight a
42:29
little bit what I think about the word mediator.
42:33
You guys hit it pretty well. I I would take it a little
42:36
deeper maybe, which I think you meant it that way as well.
42:39
He's also, he's also like a legal attorney.
42:45
He didn't he, he fulfilled all the legalities of the law.
42:51
Like he didn't just bypass God's character, his righteousness and
42:56
say, oh God, God's just going to be gracious.
42:59
No, it cost him everything that it cost him his death.
43:04
It cost him suffering. What what Christ is off, what
43:08
God is offering to us is not free.
43:10
It's not cheap. It's the most expensive thing.
43:14
Like again, we're not valuing it right.
43:16
And then to have a mediator that is the mediator's actually the
43:22
one that purchased us that that's incredible.
43:27
The one that is representing us, that is our Moses, that is
43:32
between US and God, that is talking to God on our behalf and
43:36
telling us what God is saying. And he's our communication
43:39
channel. He's now our sin management
43:43
channel like channel like he, he took care of our sins.
43:47
He placed us in heavenly places, right among innumerable angels.
43:53
That's a mediator right there. I mean, the best attorney that
43:56
ever lived. He's not just representing us.
44:00
He also died for us. Place attorney can just in the
44:05
parts of law here, attorney can just like that mediator.
44:09
He's trying to take the heat off.
44:11
He's trying to take the heat away from you.
44:15
Call the judge so that you get a lesser sentence or maybe not get
44:18
sentence at all. In this case, this attorney,
44:21
this mediator, he took all the heat himself, legally took my
44:27
place. Now he's a mediator.
44:31
It's incredible. That's.
44:33
So good, I love it. Yeah, man, not only the mediator
44:39
of, but the Baker of the plan of salvation and then mediates it,
44:42
you know. But if you, if you think about
44:45
it, that's why he can be the mediator to such a holy God, a
44:51
holy and just God, you know, because like Aaron was
44:53
describing, they, the children of Israel could not like they
44:58
were getting too close. And God said, look, they can't
45:00
get any closer now with through Christ because like you were
45:04
saying, Andrew, because Christ died with his own blood and took
45:10
his own blood, like we read earlier in Hebrews up to the
45:13
throne room of God. And now he's also our mediator.
45:17
So he is our he's our Savior and he is our mediator.
45:22
And that's what makes us have full access to God. 100% that's
45:25
why he says that he's a mediator to the blood of sprinkling, not
45:30
just the new covenant. I find it interesting that he
45:33
specifies that he's a mediator of the blood of sprinkling.
45:38
That's this blood is a key part. All right, let's read the next
45:44
two verses here. See that ye refuse not him that
45:48
speaketh. For if they escape not who
45:51
refused him that spake on earth much more Shall not we escape if
45:56
we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven, Whose
46:00
voice then shook the earth? But now he has promised, saying
46:05
yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
46:12
I'll stop there. And Andrew, you already pretty
46:16
much said this. Did you undo it yourself?
46:26
And like he's been doing all along in the book of Hebrews, he
46:30
doesn't just hit us once or twice.
46:31
He hits US like almost the whole chapter over and over and over
46:36
because he knows we somehow get missing it and we still are
46:39
missing it often. I needed this tonight.
46:43
I needed to be reminded that in every walk, even in the case of
46:49
what we're going through with a young man losing his life and my
46:53
old friend dying and tragic things happening, you know, it
46:56
kind of shakes you all up. Like I, I'm re evaluating
47:01
everything I'm doing in this life through this.
47:03
It, it really disorients you when something traumatic,
47:08
terrible happens like this. It's, it's very sobering to say
47:13
the least. And one thing that happens when
47:17
people die is all of a sudden we have a lot of grace and a lot of
47:21
hope for some reason when they die, even some of the worst
47:25
sinners, like all we're looking for, something that would give
47:28
it was a glimpse of an idea that he might have believed.
47:31
Maybe he still believed at the end.
47:32
You know, all of a sudden we have this goodwill towards this
47:36
person now that they're dead, we really care and we're trying to
47:40
find any kind of evidence that maybe they believe.
47:43
And we're trying to not remember the bad things they did.
47:46
We're trying to not remember any evil.
47:49
We're trying. We just see the good and we're
47:51
just like, man, I, I hope we believe.
47:53
Did he understand the gospel? Did he understand the blood?
47:56
Well, he believes it to this extent.
47:58
I'm not sure how how well he believed it.
48:01
And. I think we should trying to
48:05
think that way towards people that are still alive and value
48:10
the gospel in that way, where we are full of grace and truth and
48:14
righteousness and where we don't compromise.
48:17
Where we would think it would be horrible to subtract from the
48:20
gospel and to make it a little less than what it actually is.
48:24
And because it just seems too freeing or too vulnerable for
48:28
people to just walk in faith. And if they don't, you know, it
48:31
shows and you see the unbelief, you see the immaturity.
48:36
And then we want to bring in laws to try to help that grace
48:39
and this offering along. But the end of the day, it's
48:42
when I die, it's going to depend whether I counted the blood of
48:46
Christ for what it was or if I counted it a little bit less
48:50
than what it was. And I will, I think my reward is
48:54
going to be based on what I counted it.
48:56
And he's telling us to not refuse him that speaketh now in
49:00
heaven. He shook the earth back then,
49:02
but he can also shake heaven. Don't think he's just going to
49:05
shake the earth. He's also going to shake heaven.
49:08
So again, like you said, Leon, I already talked about this, but I
49:12
just want to say if if you subtract from the gospel in any
49:23
way, that's really bad and you need to repent.
49:28
Because like I talked told the one guy from workers comp that
49:34
was here, they're investigating me and all this and we got to
49:38
talking about religion and he said he had Catholic.
49:41
He doesn't really go there anymore, but he goes, he his
49:44
kids are there and everything. And I just say, well, this is
49:46
what I disagree with Catholic is they say they believe the
49:49
Gospel, but then they have priests to process sins, like
49:53
they confess their sins to the priests.
49:55
I said like that tells you they don't believe it.
49:58
Like you can't believe both you can't believe in the priest
50:02
thing and also believe that Jesus took your sins and that's
50:06
the that's and he that took him by surprise and like I never
50:11
thought of it that way. I said, no, it's impossible.
50:13
You cannot say you believe that Jesus died for your sins and
50:16
then go to the priest. You wouldn't go to the priest.
50:19
He could believe the gospel. So you either don't believe the
50:22
one or the other. You either serving the one and
50:25
not the other. You can't serve both.
50:27
Like it's impossible. So when someone comes along and
50:30
says, oh, I believe, oh, I think you like, like the Sam of the
50:33
Adventists and all these religious Judaizers, they'll
50:36
say, oh, they're so worked up about the gospel, oh, the grace
50:39
of God. But then they go back to some
50:42
kind of loss. Then now you're a liar.
50:44
That's why Paul calls you a liar.
50:46
You cannot believe both. You cannot embrace both.
50:49
You cannot believe that some of our sins are going to be
50:52
justified based on our confessions and some other
50:56
investigated second kind of judgment and also believe that
50:59
Jesus Christ took our judgment. You can't believe both it's.
51:02
Impossible. That's why God calls them liars.
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You're lying when you say you believe that, and then you also
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hold on to this. You're somebody's lying.
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Like either lying by the fact that you believe the gospel or
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you're lying about the fact that you believe in these laws in one
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area, you are lying, which makes you a liar.
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So it's time we cut it clear. One day we will be dead as sure
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as my friend and as sure as you will, you will be dead.
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And at that point, it's going to matter whether you trusted and
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counted the blood for what it was and you allow the God of
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heaven to speak to you right now, or you're letting doctrines
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of devils and things of this earth in the the mount of the
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the one that spoke on the earth speak to you.
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You want the one you want to hear what the one that's
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speaking from heaven is speaking and you want to go with it and
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nothing else. I'm telling it's serious.
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Yeah, it is that serious. It actually is, Melvin.
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Yeah, I, it seems to me like he's just saying here that, you
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know, it says seek that you refuse, not him that speaketh.
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You know, when we refuse Christ, we refuse God, right, Because
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Christ and God are, are one. And so I think it's, he's just
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important that we, he's kind of making a point here that we
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don't refuse Christ because if we do, we're refusing him that
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speaketh and, and him that not only speaketh that that earth is
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going to shake, but also that that shakes the heavens.
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Because, you know, someday in, in Genesis Revelations, it tells
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us, you know, that he's going to burn up this heaven and earth,
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not just the earth. And there's going to be a new
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heaven and a new earth. And so back on Mount Sinai, it
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was, you know, the earth shook, but God's voice can also shake
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the heavens. So.
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Yep, very bad, Aaron. I don't know.
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I just want I guess I'm more asking this than saying it for
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sure. But I wonder when he says see
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that you refuse, not him that speaketh for if they escape, not
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who refused him that speak on earth.
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How much more shall we not escape if we turn away from him
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that speaketh from heaven? And and I don't I don't know.
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I'm just asking this, I guess, but do you think that would have
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any reference to when I guess twice that God said this is my
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beloved son and whom will please?
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Like I wonder if there's any reference to that in there,
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because that was a if there is the reason I'm saying this is is
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because God is not just think about all the ways he confirmed
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Jesus to be the one that he was sent.
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You know, Jesus says of himself, if you don't believe me, believe
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me for the work's sake, right. In other words, they even said
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no man could do these things except God be with him.
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And then at least twice there on the mount transfiguration and
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when Jesus is baptized by John, God actually speaks and says
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this is my son, you know, like he actually says something about
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him. So I don't know.
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I don't I'm not sure if there's a reference to that in here, but
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I do know that that it is true that Christ is he was confirmed
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by many different points to be the one that God was going to
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send to save his people. And and like you all already
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said, this is just another exhortation that don't, this has
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been confirmed from heaven, right?
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I mean, this has been, this is God speaking from heaven.
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This is Jesus speaking. So don't reject this because
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they couldn't get away when they rejected.
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And here again, I don't even know.
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I'm not sure if they're referring to Moses speaking on
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earth or God coming down sitting on top of the mountain and
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speaking himself from earth and refusing that.
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Like I'm not sure which one he's referencing here, but but the
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point is they rejected something that was spoke on Earth and he's
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warning them not to reject something that has been
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confirmed even from the heavens. But.
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Yeah, Yeah. I don't know either.
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I was trying to figure that out too, whether it was that or was
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he the angels or what, you know, that rejected him.
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I don't, I don't know. Yeah, that.
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Well, the only thing I was. Oh, sorry, go.
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Ahead. No, go ahead.
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I was just going to say that that's that's why I wasn't sure
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because if you go back and read that, what we read earlier, the
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Exodus 20 account, God technically was set down on top
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of Mount Sinai and speaking. But then they also said you
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speak to us, Moses, and don't let God speak to us.
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So I think it could be either one.
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I think they could be referring to to Moses speaking to them and
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them not keeping his sayings, or the fact that God was speaking
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and them not keeping his sayings, you know, rejecting
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that message. But I don't know.
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But that's why I thought that. Yeah, the only reason I would in
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my mind, I think it it's God's voice speaking because it says
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the voice whose voice then shook the earth.
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If you, if you look in many verses where it talks about
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especially in Revelations, it talks about the voice of God.
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It says it has, it has a sound of many waters.
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So it, it's like this rumbling, like really loud in my mind.
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It's like shakes everything, right.
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So that's the only reason I. Would have thought that, but.
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Yeah, well, I believe it. Yeah.
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I mean, it was obviously God's voice that shook the earth,
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right? I mean so.
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That's right. Yeah.
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Yeah, I guess I was looking at it in the idea because God came
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down to earth on the mountain and was there speaking nice in
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heaven, speaking through his Son and Jesus Christ is back up into
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heaven and it's like don't refuse the new covenant that
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he's speaking now. Like don't refuse that I and
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another thought that I forgot because every to manage every,
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every law minded person has a good reason.
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If you want to call the good reason for being under law, it's
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because they're they just think that they see that Christians
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are just kind of LAX and they don't appreciate the
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righteousness of God and they don't want to live in holies and
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unrighteousness. But if we would count the
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significance and the power that is in the cross, we would also
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not have any tolerance. We would live a way more
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righteous life than we would by just understanding the weight of
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the law. The weight and the power of the
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cross should make us way more. It should change us from within
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our heart to where we are pure in heart.
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We have goodwill towards each other, like Leon taught at one
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of the camps. Like when we have genuine
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goodwill towards one another, we wouldn't defraud each other, We
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wouldn't lie, we wouldn't cheat, we wouldn't gossip.
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We're just got goodwill because of who we are.
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So much so to the point that where in Romans 6 he says, shall
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we continue and sin that grace may abound.
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God forbid. Like what are you talking about?
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How could we? How shall we that are dead?
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Did you not count the death of in the resurrection?
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Like how shall we? It's impossible.
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So that's where the victory is at for any of those that wonder
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where the victory is at as believers, Oh, Jesus died from a
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sin, Son, free to go. Well, you're free to not sin
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because he says we're free from sin.
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And if when the sin conversation comes up, you should preach the
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gospel in the way that people go, oh, so we can just sin, That
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means you're preaching the gospel.
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But if you preach the full gospel, it says no.
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How can you? And this sacrifice, the victory
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that we have, how could you like it wouldn't be adding up.
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We're free from sin, not free to sin.
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Yeah, big difference. You guys wanted to clarify on
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that like I'm not saying that we just should be able to send and
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that's also undermining and and subtracting from the the cross.
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Yep. Amen.
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OK, there's another hour gone just like that, so I guess we'll
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stop there. I thought surely we're going to
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finish 12 today. We are rocking.
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How close? Are we?
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Oh my. A couple verses, but that's all
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right, we'll catch that again and running starting to 13.
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There's some good stuff at 13 too.
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I just looking ahead here, but all right, that's it for today.
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As we conclude today's study, remember Hebrews 11/1.
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Faith is a substance of things hoped for and it's the evidence
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of the things not seen. I pray that your faith would
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reveal biblical truths more clearly than your physical eyes
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can perceive the things before you.
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Join us again next Monday as we continue to look at God's word
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through the substance of faith. God bless you guys.
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Thank you, appreciate you being on.
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Have a good week.