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1984's Friday the 13th - The Final Chapter · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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  movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf, presents it to the other and discusses it at length.
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  This week we've got coming Off of My Shelf. 1984 is Friday the
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  13th part for the final chapter. How was that misleading or what?
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  Directed by Joe Zito and cast. You know, we're not really going
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  to spend too too much time on it.
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  Lawrence Monsoon plays Teddy and Chris Mcglover.
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  Probably the most recognizable faces in all the series, I agree
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  is this one. Yeah, so far, this is definitely
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  a lot of like, I know that guy, I know that guy.
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  That girl's familiar. Not as big as Kevin Bacon,
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  maybe. No, not subsequent, No for.
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  Sure, but all combined, yes, it's an ensemble.
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  That's right. But here we are, David, we're
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  back on the couch. How you doing this week?
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  What's new? What's happening?
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  Your thoughts on the movie? This this is by request.
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  I want to be clear. Yeah, it's off of my shelf by
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  extension. A little bit you were asking.
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  Please answer the questions, explain to me why, What brings
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  us here? 3 was bad, yeah.
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  I was friendly about it. You were out of respect to you,
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  mostly, but it still had me curious about #4 because it's
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  the last one. That's right, it's the final
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  chapter. Final chapter What else could
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  come after? EA Sports, it's in the damn
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  game. I would say if you think about
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  the timeline, comparing it to EA Sports, we're at that point
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  where you are buying it annually.
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  I'll let you know at the end. If it continues.
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  Or are we getting into, I'll wait till it goes on sale or
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  I'll skip a year. So I was interested to watch
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  this movie to see the evolution. You kind of laid down some
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  hints, some thoughts about where the series goes.
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  I wasn't sure how much that would be implicated necessarily
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  in this one. Sure, because there's.
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  Many, many. More, many, many more.
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  Yeah. My initial thoughts of the movie
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  is it deliver, let's say it. That's a tough question, OK?
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  It's the best produced of the four, and that could be a
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  product of just being four years later than the original could
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  be, or a bigger budget. It could be.
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  Probably not a number of maybe not.
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  I don't know how these things work.
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  No, for sure, I've got some comments about that.
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  Wonderful. That's.
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  Good, I like that about you. Yeah, your combinatory
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  conversational kind of situation.
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  Well, you know what are you? Prepared Have you seen the
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  movie? Many, many, many times.
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  This is probably the one I've seen the most.
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  And why now? By request, you're right, this
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  was an audible. I want to be clear it was
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  something else slotted for this particular slot.
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  It didn't take too much convincing, no.
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  Then I brought it up. Let's just do it absolutely your
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  time of year. You were eager and I wanted to
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  capitalize on that kind of. Let's get it over with as soon
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  as we get it done you. Know it's fair.
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  Let's move on to Halloween. Dragged for a number of years
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  with this rate. We'll, we'll get it.
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  Maybe we'll do a spring. Special too, 5-6 and seven in
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  there, so I was happy to take it off the shelf, certainly.
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  Of course you were. Was this your first one that you
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  ever saw? I've tried to think about that.
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  I don't know if you revealed that or.
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  I had mentioned that 3 was my favorite for a while.
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  You got a lot of. So I'm trying to.
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  Think black for that, by the way.
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  Yeah. The boards.
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  This is the one I have the most memories of.
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  When I think of Friday the 13th as a concept, as a franchise,
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  this is the one I think of. This represents it.
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  This represents it. This has to me the Great Kills
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  characters that are a little bit more off the page than previous
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  titles previous episodes. Installments.
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  Installments and more familiar faces.
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  I think it's a good. Point it.
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  It really does. I felt like right away, this
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  movie feels like a bigger movie than any of the ones prior.
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  Bigger playgrounds, also bigger in scope.
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  We got helicopters. There's just these elements
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  right away where I'm thinking like this is the Friday the 13th
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  movie that I it's my go to. If you, if you can call it that.
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  We can. I'm I'm going to call it that.
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  Please, I'm not going to stop you.
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  So to get a chance to take it off the shelf and not have to
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  wait a year or whatever to do that, I was really eager.
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  Now had this been another part and you had said I really want
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  to do that, I might have put a little bit more pump the.
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  Brakes. OK, good to know.
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  And for a nice change of pace, we don't have to watch the last
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  10 minutes. That's right, yes, of the
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  previous. What we do have to do though is
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  get a a well done recap of the first 3 movies courtesy of Paul
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  #1. Yes, that's right.
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  What are your thoughts on this? We don't.
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  One of the jokes in the last couple of movies have been this
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  four or five minute preamble. Yeah, to get us back to square
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  one with it. And this one I felt handled it.
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  I thought incredibly. I was going to use the term
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  adequately. OK there.
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  We go because I wasn't really paying attention and it was a
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  Fast forward situation the second time around.
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  I think that's fair. I think we the second time.
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  Around second, yeah, I can allow it, maybe for the second time, I
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  suppose. To me, this is such a beautiful
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  encapsulation of the best parts of 1-2 and three to me.
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  Yeah. And you can you can get that
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  into a very strange period of time.
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  Totally. You're doing basically like best
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  kills and you get story woven some of that Jason back story
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  and you get sort of figure out why we're here and so forth.
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  I don't think it's like you don't need to necessarily start
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  your Friday journey on this one. But you could you could skip the
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  first 3. For story purposes, yes.
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  But you want to see Kevin Bacon? You want to see Kevin Bacon, you
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  want to see Sandra, you want to see certainly Tracy Savage and.
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  I wonder what the experience would be like watching the 4th
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  one first. No, I'm going back and like.
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  Oh, I want to go back and see what happened in those clips and
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  see the full movie. Totally.
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  I think that would be a different experience.
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  Maybe better, maybe not, but different.
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  I mean, the trailers for these movies do their entirety is like
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  doing the body count. I think I've shown you before,
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  right? Like which is a good movie, by
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  the way, one body count 3 like just counting them up and then
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  Part 2, the body count continues and then part three, I think
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  even still continues the the numbers like 27.
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  Okay, like, come on. I think this one deviates from
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  that, but if your purposes are just the kills and the general
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  idea of who Jason is, this one does a great job of synthesizing
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  all of that into a 4 minute intro.
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  And it's a nice chance for me to revisit some great kills from
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  the past, particularly the wheelchair, you know, kind of
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  like ending on that like it was. Incredible.
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  That apart, I made sure I swatched a second time.
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  It's so good. Showcase.
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  It's absolutely showcase. Yeah.
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  Show we Kimberly Beck, Peter Barton.
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  They get the lead titles. Yeah.
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  Do they mean anything to you breast wise?
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  Kimberly Beck means nothing to me.
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  I don't know anything about. Her Trish Trish Trish Jarvis.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other Barton, if I'm not
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  mistaken, is. Paul.
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  That's not Paul. Who's that?
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  Oh, that's right. Paul's the harpoon guy.
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  Yeah. Doug, I believe.
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  Doug, you think that guy's a Doug?
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  I mean you had issues. It's Scott Grainger is who it
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  is. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Scott Grainger.
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  Of General. I think it's General Hospital.
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  Some soap. Yeah, soap opera for sure, but
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  very. Familiar, I know that.
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  Guy he did the show I think for maybe even a decade if not.
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  At least when you get on a soap, it seems like you're.
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  Just there again, that's Victor. I love that man.
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  Nonetheless, we're not expected. No one's holding us accountable
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  to get all the real names or even the fake names right.
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  It's as long as we can reference them properly.
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  That's right. And we can.
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  We know the guy that we're talking about, even if we don't
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  know anything else about him. We can and we will, but I don't
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  want to get any further in the movie buddy until until it's
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  clear to what this film is about.
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  All right, here it comes. It's courtesy of Old Faithful.
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  Yeah, we have a deal, 10 year contract.
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  Absolutely. After being announced dead and
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  taken to a morgue, Jason Voorhees spontaneously revives
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  escapes from the hospital and stalks a group of friends
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  renting a house in the countryside near Crystal Lake.
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  Gives too much away. Yeah.
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  That's the whole movie right there.
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  That's pretty much it. And also, you know, revives.
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  I mean, yeah, you're just throwing it away.
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  Was it spontaneous? I think he planned it.
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  I think we'll get up now. I think I've rested.
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  I've recouped. I'm feeling better about things.
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  Totally. It's time for me to go back to
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  work. And I like his work ethic.
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  It's commitment if nothing else. He has good work ethic.
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  Yeah. We got someone riding him every
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  morning, making sure he's on task.
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  And this basically takes place after the aftermath of the last,
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  yeah. Immediately after, right after,
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  we're at the scene, basically, basically gathering the dead
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  bodies. Yeah, You're at Higgins Haven
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  that night. You've got the barn, you've got
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  Jason at the bottom of it with the axe.
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  That's how we left him. That's it.
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  So it begs a few questions and one of the things that I like
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  about this movie series. More than Halloween on some
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  level, and less than Halloween on others, of course, But
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  specifically that Halloween contorts itself over the years
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  as you remember. That's a nice way of putting it
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  to. Explain what's happening.
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  It's Laurie's brother. It's a connection through the
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  Druid gods of something. There's all these different
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  threads to try and make sense as to who Michael is and why he is
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  and whatever. And you and I talked in Part 2
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  of Friday the 13th about how just Jason is.
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  All of a sudden, he's a grown man walking around the city and
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  he's going to kill Alice and he's going to walk away with a
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  bag on his head. How does that happen?
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  It doesn't, it doesn't, right? Like there's no real explanation
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  for it. There's no real sense to why he
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  is and what he does and so forth.
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  We moved on. Luckily we're.
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  Able to move forward. And what's beauty about that is
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  that this movie starts and the movie doesn't spend any time
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  wanting to explain the situation that we're in.
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  And I like that. I think it's probably makes for
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  a more simplistic read, but a better way just to watch the
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  movie and forget about it. Because if you ask those
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  questions, you're not going to come up with.
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  A good. And I, I'm biting my tongue and
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  it's like I don't ask the question to myself or to
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  anybody. Are we entering a supernatural
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  era of this character? Not yet.
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  Not yet. Because.
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  Well, because at some point there is like this, like, how
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  does this keep happening? Yeah.
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  Well, begs the question. That's right.
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  The title is final chapter. Just be clear about that.
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  But yeah, it's that you have to be willing to accept the rules
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  of the game. Yeah.
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  Because ultimately, if you really think about it, at this
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  point in the lineage, it's all been one day.
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  Two LED directly into three, which leads directly into four.
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  It's still Friday the 13th, but not really because it's been
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  Daylight Part 2 and it's. Saturday the 14th, which is a
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  movie that. Will not come off the show.
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  Richard Benjamin is a great movie I love.
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  I'm sure it is Jeffrey Tame parody.
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  Yeah. OK, yeah, none of this movie in
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  particular. But just like, horror vampires,
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  it's silly. It's really silly.
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  Anyway, so it's just like, if you ask many questions, you're
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  like, none of this makes any sense, but we don't care, and
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  the movie doesn't care, so just roll with it.
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  We're at the barn. They pick Jason up, they put him
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  on an ambulance. And right away, this movie's
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  bigger. Like I was saying, you've got in
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  scope, you've got a helicopter, there's like more extras.
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  There's lots happening on the screen.
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  This feels like a real movie. Yes.
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  And what's funny to me about that?
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  Totally more polished. What's funny to me about that
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  when I thought about it was Steven Minor is the guy that
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  directed parts two and three, and he's the one that went on to
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  not like a huge career, but a pretty significant career.
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  He did the things. And yet Joseph Zito, who
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  directed this, didn't really. And I'm like, this is a far
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  better made movie than any of the previous.
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  Ones yeah, I noticed that didn't see much of A.
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  No, a couple of action movies like just nothing really too big
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  and it's fine. I mean, whatever you.
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  Can do whatever you. Want but this movie is a cut
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  above the previous ones on almost every level and I think
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  that's why I gravitate towards. It maybe the reason I don't mind
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  watching these movies is because I know they take place in the
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  80s and they're low budget and that lends to some faces to say
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  that I recognize that tend to show up.
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  I get a double whammy. Oh my gosh.
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  Same scene on the camera are two Seinfeld characters interacting
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  with each other. Wow.
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  Happy birthday to me. Yeah, that's a big win.
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  That's a big dub. We have the ambulance driver.
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  Shall remain nameless. Well.
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  He's the ambulance driver. The exact what he was credited
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  for and we have. Axel.
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  OK, we know his name. He's the morgue mortician.
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  Enzo Mangenaro, Jerry's Barber. Enzo and he can't go see him
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  again. No, that's the driver.
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  Yeah, and Axel is the rabbi. Terrible Rabbi.
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  OK. Nonetheless, definitely a
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  different character in this Axel's demeanor is.
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  Not rabbinical at all. No, if it's one thing, it's not.
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  It's rabbinical. He's a little horn dog.
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  Every one of these movies needs a horn dog, if not many.
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  Yeah, I suppose so. And we have him here where?
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  And you know, I'm going to tell you a secret right now.
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  Maybe not a secret, but I'm going to tell you a fact here,
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  please. I was doing a little dating
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  random hookup, let's say. OK, I not believing it so far.
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  But and she came by the apartment when I was living in
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  Vancouver and we picked the movie off the shelf.
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  Happened to be 7 OK and we made out.
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  As you do. As you do, fooled around all the
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  things on the couch. What base are we talking?
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  We are all the way. OK, OK.
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  But the idea that something could not be any less
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  attractive, sexy. Yeah, happy.
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  Choice. Yeah.
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  You want to watch Color of Night?
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  Exactly. Something blue New E perhaps?
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  Emmanuel Five. Yeah, that's right.
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  Any of these things. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So to me, it's a situation where
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  I'm looking at this and I'm thinking they're in the morgue.
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  They got Jason 2 feet away from them.
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  Yeah, I probably still. Would Jesus?
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  You probably would. Is sicky.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  The question is, would you be watching a exercise show?
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  I've never really, because I thought that was off to that.
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  That was, like, his thing that would get him riled up.
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  Yeah, he obviously does. He also makes some remark
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  earlier about how the corpse is still cute.
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  Yeah, he's a weirdo. Yeah.
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  He's eating on top of him. Yeah, puts a doughnut on top of
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  him. Know your surroundings man have
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  a sense of awareness, so he certainly deserves to get what
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  he's about. He does have my favorite line in
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  the whole movie. Oh, when he's cursing and all
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  that Christmas. As you know, I'm a Christmas
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  guy, but when Jason's hand falls on him as they're going to town
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  near the exact quote is Jesus Christmas.
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  Holy Jesus God damn it. Holy Jesus jumping Christmas
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  shit. Is a little much.
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  It's a lot, a little much, but it just made me laugh because it
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  is ridiculous. Like it is silly do.
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  You think it was scripted? Every.
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  Every line beat, every moment. How many takes?
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  Axel, that guy's a pro. Oh yeah, have you seen his rabbi
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  at work? Anyways, I don't expect a lot
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  out of these movies, but to sit there and choose that room fair
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  out of a giant hospital to fool. Around.
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  You fool around the medicine room, right?
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  You fool around in the records room.
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  Now, if you didn't have the knowledge of who you're dealing
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  with, fair, which could have happened, but they chose to put
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  in the movie that he knew. That's right, he kind of calls
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  him out, right? That's you, buddy.
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  That's we're talking about, yeah, comes right up on the TV.
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  I don't know. What is a really cool moment in
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  all of this kind of nonsense is when they're putting him in the
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  icebox. Yeah.
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  And finally. Exactly.
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  Yeah, leave me out for a while. But watching the breath kind of
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  come up in the in the shadows of that box, I'm like, again,
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  that's a real film maker. Yeah, that's a that's a subtle
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  shot that you would see in a real movie.
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  And it's like a blink and you miss it because.
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  I did miss it, actually. There you go.
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  I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that happened.
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  Yeah. Maybe they just didn't check.
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  Yeah, that was how I reasoned it.
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  OK. I was like, they just didn't
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  check good enough. Yeah.
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  And he's got a pulse, kind of like Silence of the Lambs.
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  Oh, that's right. That's right.
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  He's good at get that heart rate.
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  Keeps it real low, keeps it nice and nice.
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  Real nice and tight. Solid kills.
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  Yeah. What are your thoughts here?
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  This is Axel's farewell moment. I just told you.
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  Solid. OK.
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  Pretty good, though I'm already recognizing and understanding
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  that this will be a better movie from a production standpoint.
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  Sure, as long as the story holds.
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  As long as it doesn't get too silly.
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  I think ultimately this will be probably a better film.
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  And I liked, you know, Bonesaw. Bonesaw.
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  Yeah, Yeah. What I hope that you would like
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  about it is that we'd already talked in the previous episodes
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  about banality, right? How many times can you take a
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  spear? Yeah, through the chest or a
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  knife in the back or whatever. It turns out a lot.
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  But some variety is what we kind of alluded to the last one where
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  it was like, you know? Keeps it going.
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  How many of these can keep doing the same type of thing?
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  And and to your point, you can keep doing the same type of
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  thing, provided that those things get better or more
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  interesting. And variations.
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  You know, beards. Exactly.
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  So if you're going to make the next one, make it bloodier, gory
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  or have better characters, have better still making this and
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  that. So it seems to be on pace for
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  that. Spare no expense.
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  Exactly. But a great effect, I thought,
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  on the ripping the head out. And I, I like the way that he
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  kills the girl, the nurse. Yeah.
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  And we get a sense like this guy has been rotting.
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  I don't think he has a very good diet.
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  Not a good diet. Scurvy, perhaps?
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  No pedicures, no manicures. No one will have them.
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  No one touches them. What can you say?
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  Yeah, one thing I know you don't do is jog.
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  No, dear God. That's just not your thing.
• 17:36
  We get to the main family. Yes, the Jarvi.
• 17:40
  Many jarvi. Yep, Yep.
• 17:43
  Mother daughter going for a jog, like I said.
• 17:45
  And then we get Tom getting a high score of 98,000 on Zackson.
• 17:51
  That equates to 35 kills, I believe.
• 17:53
  OK, just so you know, I wrote that down.
• 17:55
  Appreciate it. Yeah.
• 17:55
  Corey Feldman. Yeah, wearing a mask.
• 17:57
  Yeah, that's his thing. That's his thing.
• 17:59
  Good for him. Like a little Tom Savini.
• 18:00
  Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I wrote
• 18:02
  down, Little Tom Savini. Watching this movie, being a
• 18:06
  young kid myself, you want to see yourself on screen, whether
• 18:09
  that's you're a member of a minority, whatever the case, you
• 18:14
  know? I get the guy from.
• 18:15
  Redford redhead. Yeah.
• 18:18
  So watching this movie as a kid, watching a kid be in this movie
• 18:22
  and be fascinated by makeup effects and special effects.
• 18:26
  All of that. Stuff that was felt like me and
• 18:28
  so Phil Feldman. A couple of years later, I was
• 18:31
  touring the Joe Blasco Makeup School in Orlando.
• 18:34
  Like, I want to be a makeup artist.
• 18:35
  What? Happened.
• 18:37
  I've no artistic talent in that regard, so my imagination isn't
• 18:40
  clear. Like one of the tests that they
• 18:42
  told me I did was like, design a monster.
• 18:45
  You can do that and you have to sketch it and then you have to
• 18:47
  mold it and then you have to paint it and then you have to
• 18:50
  write all of these other artistic elements.
• 18:51
  And I looked at me like, I can't do that.
• 18:53
  It kind of ran away and wasn't going to go to school in Orlando
• 18:56
  and listen that, but I would have loved to do that.
• 18:58
  At the time, I dated a monster. Terrible person, terrible
• 19:01
  person. What I was thinking while you
• 19:04
  were off in Orlando. Yeah.
• 19:06
  Is the fact that a kid has been introduced.
• 19:09
  That's right, yeah. We're not just dealing with
• 19:12
  teenage campers. Yeah, it's a family.
• 19:15
  I'm thinking about EA Sports like I always do.
• 19:17
  Of course. What is the update?
• 19:19
  We've killed a guy in a wheelchair.
• 19:21
  Yep. We've killed a pregnant woman.
• 19:24
  That's. True, yeah.
• 19:25
  Is Feldman gonna get it? Is one of my thoughts.
• 19:28
  You would love that, Yeah. And there is opportunity for it
• 19:31
  and obviously chooses not to do that.
• 19:33
  But just the family as a whole, the Jar of Eye brings in a
• 19:37
  different type of elements. Yeah, now you tease the the
• 19:41
  series will change, and I think this is an example of that.
• 19:45
  They're kind of broadening. You are upgrading.
• 19:48
  Let's. Say, you can't always just do
• 19:49
  the camper here. There's 12 new teenagers.
• 19:51
  Let's kill them out. And how, how much can you ignore
• 19:54
  the news? Like let's go to Crystal, like,
• 19:55
  oh, it's fine. 80 people have died there.
• 19:58
  So I'm curious to see who's going to die out of that family,
• 20:01
  to be honest with you, if anybody.
• 20:03
  And. Stay at the end.
• 20:05
  Now, you said last time that you know who the lead is.
• 20:07
  You kind of have an idea who's going to live, who's not going
• 20:10
  to, who's not going to live the final show boobs, who's not
• 20:12
  going to show boobs. Yes.
• 20:12
  You had a sixth sense for that. I still do.
• 20:15
  Let's address that as we go. I don't want to drive too much
• 20:18
  right now, but whenever you're ready, whenever, as we go,
• 20:20
  basically. So when you're seeing now the
• 20:22
  introduction of the Jarvi are your thoughts These guys are
• 20:27
  going to make it to the end. You're thinking that they're
• 20:29
  going to live, going to die and boobs, you think.
• 20:32
  Of Miss Freeman. Did you think that she was going
• 20:34
  to go? I wasn't sure.
• 20:36
  I wasn't sure about the mom. Because she's a mom, right?
• 20:38
  There's that feeling of like. You can kill your mom and I was
• 20:40
  pretty confident Tommy was going to survive fair.
• 20:44
  So I'm thinking maybe this family will live and.
• 20:48
  Other people will die and I think at this point Corey
• 20:50
  Feldman is a name. I'm not positive because I don't
• 20:52
  know when Gremlins came out. It came out in 84, but I'm not
• 20:55
  sure if it came out before. After this movie, the next year
• 20:58
  he's doing Goonies. I don't know if he's a name.
• 21:00
  Based on history, the horror movies are first and that gives
• 21:03
  you a little bit of recognition and then you move on to, well,
• 21:07
  look at Jimmy Lee Curtis. You Flourish Freaky or Friday.
• 21:09
  That's true. Pretty good movie.
• 21:11
  Check it out. So yeah, we've met the family
• 21:13
  and now we get to meet the teenagers.
• 21:16
  Yes, we get Crispin. Crispin Glover.
• 21:19
  Yes, in the back seat with a guy.
• 21:22
  Named Teddy Lawrence Monsoon. Absolutely.
• 21:24
  Good for you. Last American Virgin.
• 21:26
  Good for you. It's good.
• 21:27
  In that movie it didn't seem anything else. 6 people in this
• 21:30
  car. Yep, sounds good.
• 21:32
  Four boys, 2 girls. Sure.
• 21:36
  Doesn't that up does it? You don't like that?
• 21:38
  Well, it gets fixed. It gets fixed.
• 21:41
  Stick around. OK, stick around.
• 21:43
  Have you ever have someone not take your calls?
• 21:46
  I'm sure often, I thought. So the whole calling thing is
• 21:48
  such a weird concept. Doesn't exist anymore.
• 21:50
  Yeah, but left. Me on red what?
• 21:54
  We have an interesting conversation in between them.
• 21:56
  I think it's worth exploring a little.
• 21:57
  Bit I love it. Yeah.
• 21:58
  Do you love it? I love it.
• 22:00
  I think it feels natural, feels real.
• 22:02
  Now I've heard the term starfish.
• 22:04
  Yes, yes, it's usually referring to a woman just laying there I
• 22:10
  don't want. To get into details here, let's
• 22:11
  keep APG here in this Friday the 13th commentary.
• 22:15
  Exactly. But we have Teddy on his little
• 22:17
  fake computer. Turns out Crispin's a dead.
• 22:20
  Fuck, he's a dead fuck. Yeah, that's that's hurtful.
• 22:23
  Absolutely. I mean, so the computer doesn't
• 22:26
  lie. The computer said it.
• 22:28
  Computer did 84 is a year before Back to the Future.
• 22:33
  Yes, you have a guy who played Marty Mcfly's father a year
• 22:37
  later. Yes, yes, greasy hair.
• 22:40
  I don't know. I felt like this guy aged 10
• 22:42
  years. Well, they've made him up for
• 22:43
  the later parts, but he basically looks exactly the same
• 22:46
  during the 50s when he's playing Marty's age.
• 22:49
  I still think he looks a little older there.
• 22:50
  Yeah. I mean, it's just a slick.
• 22:52
  Hair. Yeah, could be.
• 22:53
  Yeah, he's very a puffy hair here.
• 22:55
  Yeah, so very puffy. The kids love that.
• 22:57
  Oh my God. Front loaded, it's the Tullum.
• 22:59
  Yeah, luckily my nephews aren't full blown, but they're only a
• 23:03
  step or two. Away.
• 23:04
  It's obnoxious. It convinces it.
• 23:05
  Mullum, Mullum. I reminded them of the whole man
• 23:08
  bun year, if you recall. How could I forget?
• 23:11
  I bullied someone to get rid of it.
• 23:12
  I feel bad about that. Yeah.
• 23:13
  He's threatened to fire them. You're managing the storm?
• 23:15
  No. No Co worker.
• 23:16
  No, just a Co worker. Yeah.
• 23:18
  Yeah. Kishwar.
• 23:19
  Still wearing it. Still got a man bun.
• 23:20
  Stuck with it. We're bastard.
• 23:21
  He's gonna ride it out. He's gonna.
• 23:23
  Wait for it to come back again. Yeah, full circle, full circle.
• 23:26
  But we have a, it's kind of like an Airbnb, really.
• 23:28
  Back in the day, they're renting a home or cottage that someone
• 23:32
  owns absolutely across the street from the Jarvi.
• 23:35
  Absolutely. Yep, now they're on route and
• 23:38
  they had to stop for directions. Oh yes, of course to.
• 23:41
  Get to this air being. Yeah, I'm just jumping ahead
• 23:43
  here, buddy. Well, it's.
• 23:44
  Excitingly moment that what is happening right now I really.
• 23:47
  Just try to move past. It but it warrants conversation
• 23:49
  because I think it's like one of the rare moments in this movie
• 23:51
  where I'm this is stupid. I think it warrants an
• 23:53
  explanation. Yeah, there is none.
• 23:55
  OK. I don't think they're not.
• 23:57
  The idea that tombstone with Pamela Voorhees, his name on it,
• 24:02
  would be so prominently placed on the side of the road and so
• 24:06
  pristine looking. That's not even legal.
• 24:08
  There's no justification for that.
• 24:10
  She died theoretically on the beach.
• 24:13
  This is not the beach. If you're in a barrier of where
• 24:16
  she was murdered, then she would be there.
• 24:18
  If you're doing it at a cemetery, do it at a proper
• 24:20
  cemetery on some side of the road.
• 24:21
  Side of the road. For a movie that is obviously
• 24:23
  silly and can't be taken seriously, that was like, oh,
• 24:26
  that's stupid. I just want to know what purpose
• 24:28
  does it serve? It's just acknowledging Pamela
• 24:30
  Voorhees exists. We just saw a whole recap of
• 24:32
  that. 100% and the kids don't seem to even notice it, So what
• 24:36
  is the point? What's that you know?
• 24:38
  Who is this? What is that?
• 24:39
  When is that? I no idea.
• 24:41
  Think that really should be cut out for any version that's
• 24:45
  playing on TV. Wow.
• 24:46
  But they still do that. They always knock it down for
• 24:49
  time. Yeah, sure, that would expand
• 24:50
  it. Sometimes they cut out the bad
• 24:52
  parts and they add the other stuff, so you get different cuts
• 24:54
  for movies basically. Wonderful.
• 24:55
  You can just watch it all over again on television.
• 24:58
  Yeah, yeah. I don't have cable, so we can't
• 25:00
  do that, but what we can do is pick up a hitchhiker if we want.
• 25:05
  Absolutely. They chose not to.
• 25:09
  She's heading to Canada. Yeah, we'd love to have her.
• 25:13
  Yeah, absolutely. Come on in and.
• 25:15
  She conveniently has on the other side of her sign F you.
• 25:18
  Yeah, just in case they don't pick her up, she's ready.
• 25:21
  Yep, covers both the bases. It really does.
• 25:23
  I respect that, actually. Absolutely.
• 25:24
  And she's probably been rejected a little bit because Teddy's not
• 25:27
  very nice to her. He's not, and that's Teddy being
• 25:30
  Teddy. Let's be honest.
• 25:31
  More fat jokes. Yeah, I know you're a little
• 25:33
  sensitive to that because you were once a bigger lad.
• 25:35
  Yeah, and Teddy is obviously insulting Jimmy, so he's just.
• 25:40
  Yeah, he has no no care, no. Care in the world.
• 25:43
  No care in the world. That's an asshole in the last
• 25:44
  American version too. Oh was he typecasting?
• 25:48
  But the point is where would she fit because this is a six
• 25:51
  seater. Yeah, yeah, no.
• 25:52
  I guess you could squeeze her in.
• 25:54
  It's too bad for her. Not going to make it.
• 25:55
  Yeah, we get a kill earlier than I would have expected.
• 25:59
  Yeah, it's a one off where she's not really part of.
• 26:03
  That's how you know she's going to.
• 26:04
  Well, yeah, that's basically right.
• 26:06
  Why else are you in the movie? Yeah, good kill, Yeah, I wonder.
• 26:10
  If you'd like that, I feel like it's good.
• 26:11
  And the banana. That's the best part.
• 26:13
  It's so good. That's the best part.
• 26:14
  I'm in it for the banana. Yeah.
• 26:15
  And I I make a lot of banana bread.
• 26:17
  Sure. So it was very relatable.
• 26:20
  I connected. I connected, buddy.
• 26:23
  I'm in it. Yeah.
• 26:23
  Brothers and bananas. I'm, I'm, I'm in it despite the
• 26:27
  whole stuff at the hospital and the vooris.
• 26:29
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're in.
• 26:30
  It, the grave, whatever. Tombstone Tombstone, Take your
• 26:34
  break. Great movie by the way.
• 26:35
  Yeah, you tell them I'm coming. But what's more tastier than a
• 26:39
  banana Tommy sandwich? A Tommy sandwich?
• 26:43
  Yeah. Yeah, we established that these
• 26:45
  are going to be neighbors. Yeah, the introductions have
• 26:47
  been made. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:48
  And Gordon? Absolutely.
• 26:51
  Hey, Gordon, How you doing, Gordon?
• 26:52
  You're a dog guy. Yeah, but yeah, a Tommy
• 26:55
  sandwich. Well, it was supposed to be
• 26:57
  pizza, and then we downgraded to leftover.
• 26:59
  Yeah, involving tuna. It's very responsible.
• 27:02
  And they compromise for a Tommy sandwich, Yeah.
• 27:04
  Everybody wins. One of the things I like that
• 27:06
  this introduces is more space to run and hide. 2 cabins or two
• 27:12
  houses. There's three floors.
• 27:15
  There's a wider space around. Yeah, I'm kind of anticipating.
• 27:17
  OK, Levels. Yeah, levels.
• 27:19
  This is going to be a thing. Or it has more opportunities for
• 27:22
  suspense and fear and stuff. More than just a barn.
• 27:25
  Yeah, which is fine. And you know, Higgins Haven had
• 27:28
  some space, but this feels just somehow different.
• 27:31
  They utilize broader, they utilize the space and that's
• 27:33
  important. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
• 27:35
  You know someone that whose space gets utilized pretty
• 27:38
  often, I would say is Sam. Sam, is that where you're going
• 27:43
  with that? Absolutely.
• 27:45
  She has a reputation, and she's had since grade six.
• 27:47
  Yeah, but she only sleeps with Paul.
• 27:50
  That's what she says. And she keeps them there because
• 27:53
  he likes it there. That's right.
• 27:55
  She's hot. She's OK.
• 27:56
  And her breasts will be revealed.
• 27:58
  Yeah, you kind of get that impression right away if you're
• 27:59
  going to introduce somebody as the.
• 28:01
  Yeah. As the.
• 28:03
  What Philip say? Promiscuous.
• 28:04
  Yeah, there it is. And meanwhile, we have Sarah,
• 28:08
  the opposite. More or less the opposite.
• 28:10
  Whoever is virgin girl. Yeah.
• 28:12
  Is that her reputation? Well, that's great.
• 28:13
  Six. It's helps me to keep track and
• 28:15
  they're talking of all kinds of opportunities and Sarah just
• 28:19
  doesn't get it. Sam's trying to lay it out to
• 28:21
  her. They have explained the sleeping
• 28:23
  arrangements, luckily their bunk beds.
• 28:25
  Yes, thank goodness. That is not a deal breaker.
• 28:28
  Yeah. Are you a top bunk guy or a
• 28:32
  bottom bunk guy? And don't read anything into
• 28:35
  that please. You know, I slept on the top
• 28:37
  bunk for a while in my youth and I fell off and I dislocated my
• 28:41
  shoulder. So I more of a bottom bunk guy.
• 28:46
  That's a good enough reason. Yeah, I think so.
• 28:48
  And it actually seems there might be a possibility that
• 28:51
  Tommy will see those. Breasts.
• 28:54
  That's true. That's right.
• 28:55
  Yeah. And this is a great scene.
• 28:57
  Again, when you're talking about Bring Back Memories.
• 28:59
  Yeah, I think so. I mean, not actively, right.
• 29:01
  But again, it's that representation thing.
• 29:03
  It's like seeing a kid. That's that's exactly what I
• 29:05
  would do at whatever age. Tommy is 10.
• 29:08
  I mean, if it's right in. Front of you, yeah, you're not
• 29:10
  going to look away and you're going to be excited because it's
• 29:12
  going to be naughty and kind of cool and curious and all of
• 29:16
  those things. There's this like infantilizing
• 29:19
  of Tommy to the point where you watch that arc, a great arc,
• 29:23
  you're sort of seeing this is just a kid that's being so
• 29:25
  traumatized by what's happening. And there's a a consequence to
• 29:29
  what's happening in the movie that up until now have not been
• 29:32
  really investigated. So that by the time we get to
• 29:34
  the end of the movie, I think it hits a little harder because of
• 29:36
  it. Well, you read a lot into that
• 29:38
  peeping moment. Absolutely.
• 29:40
  Wow. All I thought about was just
• 29:42
  give me boobs. No Crispin.
• 29:44
  Crispin Glover was a peeping Tom in Back of the Future.
• 29:47
  That is true. That's all I got out of that
• 29:49
  scene. But you, well, you.
• 29:51
  Dived. That's true.
• 29:52
  One of the things that I think that that Crispin learns over
• 29:56
  the course of this movie and back to the Back to the Future
• 29:59
  is it's really good advice that Teddy gives him at one point
• 30:03
  where he talks about how he shouldn't call her back because
• 30:07
  the first rule of love is never get rejected by the same girl
• 30:11
  twice. Always someone new.
• 30:13
  I mean, yeah, if you're gonna. Yeah.
• 30:14
  So once Lorraine says no, yeah, he should have moved on.
• 30:18
  That's true. And Marty would not exist.
• 30:20
  Wouldn't allow it to happen. Yeah, he kept pushing and
• 30:22
  pushing and pushing. But Teddy's advice, I think is
• 30:25
  the right one. Yeah, and Lorraine would end up
• 30:26
  with the biff. Yeah, and the world would have
• 30:28
  been a much better place, I think we established.
• 30:30
  Yeah, I think Biff's kid would look like Jason Voorhees.
• 30:34
  Not a very good looking guy. We need to even the playing
• 30:42
  field sexually. I mean days, you know, it's the
• 30:46
  80s. You can have four guys.
• 30:49
  I'm not saying you can't not there's anything wrong with
• 30:51
  that, of course, but we will introduce twins.
• 30:54
  Oh, certainly. Yes.
• 30:55
  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Just a gift.
• 30:57
  I think that's what this movie needs.
• 30:58
  Yeah. Now Sarah is threatened by this
• 31:00
  because every guy in this group is smitten by these Australian
• 31:05
  twins on bikes. I wasn't.
• 31:06
  Yeah, you're you got a weird taste.
• 31:08
  Listen to Episode 3 if you want to investigate.
• 31:11
  I think I have good reason to be Team Vera.
• 31:14
  I think I have a lot of people. Backing me on that one.
• 31:17
  Other people have spoken. A lot of blondes in this one,
• 31:18
  though. Sam is the only like, brunettes.
• 31:21
  Yeah, so. She is threatened by this, she's
• 31:23
  frustrated. She's just going to go.
• 31:25
  Well, she's got to go get the car.
• 31:26
  Yeah, she gets the sense that it's a long way to get there.
• 31:29
  She's just being smart. Yeah, I respect that.
• 31:31
  I just feel like there's no scene.
• 31:32
  There's no reason for it. Well, there is.
• 31:34
  We need some scares. Come on man, it's a horror.
• 31:37
  Movie. Yeah.
• 31:38
  It just strikes me as like you're saying no to company.
• 31:42
  You know, you've got what's his name rated Scott Granger.
• 31:45
  Granger, Granger ready to help you out.
• 31:47
  And yet you're Yeah, like, no, no, no, I'm.
• 31:49
  Fine, and he's a nice guy. He comes across as a genuine
• 31:52
  kid. Sweet guy, but who?
• 31:55
  Who really knows? Yeah, it's sad news, but anyway.
• 31:57
  But it isn't sad. However we finally get our
• 31:59
  skinny dipping scenes. You.
• 32:01
  Wanted it desperately. They tease it in three.
• 32:03
  You want to live vicariously through it?
• 32:05
  Absolutely. You and Shelly.
• 32:07
  Now, at this point, I think Shelly would be thin enough by
• 32:12
  now. Oh.
• 32:12
  OK, over time, over 2 years later.
• 32:15
  I think he's lost a little. Weight.
• 32:17
  OK. Well, certainly he's rotted and
• 32:19
  decomposed, you're saying? Yes, that's what I'm saying.
• 32:21
  Yeah, OK. You get it now.
• 32:22
  Yeah, yeah. At first I was like, well, I
• 32:24
  don't know, maybe he did. I tried to do the math.
• 32:26
  No, no biology, buddy. OK, I see what you're saying.
• 32:28
  But yeah, we get some. Well, we get a breast.
• 32:31
  Yeah, we get a couple of them even.
• 32:32
  Yeah, usually. They come in pairs.
• 32:34
  That's a good point. As predicted, Sam, of course the
• 32:38
  twins are in there. They are fun.
• 32:40
  Yeah, they're having a great time.
• 32:41
  They're like up for anything. Yeah, I've never met.
• 32:44
  Twins like that. Before, I never met twins like
• 32:46
  that, but I did know a couple of girls like that.
• 32:48
  Oh yeah. Well, then they were like, very,
• 32:50
  very like best friends. So it's like they were siblings
• 32:52
  but they were up for anything always.
• 32:54
  Well, there we go. We do get Trish and Tommy.
• 32:58
  Trish is overdressed. That's right, for the occasion.
• 33:00
  Overdressed. She my friend off limits.
• 33:04
  Calling it right now. Her and Sarah off limits.
• 33:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't introduce the virgin
• 33:08
  girl and then have her be. It's just not, yeah, it's not
• 33:11
  that edgy. It's just it's more focused on
• 33:13
  just killing people. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 33:16
  Speaking of killing people. Rob, Yeah, played by the great
• 33:20
  Eric. Anderson.
• 33:22
  Yeah, he's your boy. Well, yeah, he is actually.
• 33:24
  I loved him in this movie. When I first saw it like he was,
• 33:27
  I was like, I love this guy. Yeah, he's a maturity about him.
• 33:29
  He's just cool. They're romance, man.
• 33:32
  Yeah, Commander Mcduff. OK.
• 33:34
  From an episode of Star Trek TNG.
• 33:35
  TN. G They all get their memory
• 33:38
  erased by some alien. Of course they all wake up.
• 33:42
  Don't know who anybody is. They're trying to figure out
• 33:44
  who's the captain, who's Wharf All amnesia.
• 33:47
  All of them. The whole crew.
• 33:48
  And this guy, Commander Mcduff, obviously as an audience, we
• 33:52
  know he's not supposed to be there, but they don't.
• 33:55
  And it's a good episode. Let's just leave it at that.
• 33:57
  What season? I would probably say 3 or 4.
• 34:00
  OK. Yeah, great.
• 34:01
  Yeah, download it. Yeah, I'll be cut out anyway.
• 34:07
  But he says he's hunting for bears.
• 34:09
  But he's asking questions like, are there any kids down at the
• 34:11
  lake tonight? Or have you seen any kids around
• 34:13
  the lake? And anything strange happening
• 34:15
  around the lake? And like, yeah, you, you were
• 34:16
  the strange happening around. The way you said that was kind
• 34:18
  of creepy for where the kids at, but I'm impressed how good Tommy
• 34:23
  is with fixing things. He's a real Jack of all trades
• 34:25
  handyman. Good for him. more than I am.
• 34:27
  Yeah, I saw those issues happening and I'm like, I don't
• 34:30
  know how to fix that. Yeah, felt like an idiot.
• 34:31
  Felt like an idiot. But luckily, he needed a little
• 34:34
  help from Rob. Rob.
• 34:36
  Rob is his name. And of course, Feldman wants to
• 34:39
  bring up a man to his room. Yeah, he's all excited about
• 34:41
  this. Yeah, it's, you know, you.
• 34:43
  Get the impression they live there.
• 34:45
  They live there, right? So maybe it is just like, give
• 34:48
  me something new. Give me somebody to hang out
• 34:50
  with. Because if I'm a 10 year old kid
• 34:52
  and there's nobody in the neighborhood.
• 34:54
  We saw it, Mr. Megorium. True.
• 34:56
  So yeah, you want to show people your shit?
• 34:58
  I think so. People like the stuff.
• 34:59
  Yeah. I mean, certainly the first
• 35:01
  thing I would do in my house now, like, you know, like, oh
• 35:03
  look, I mounted this or I put that up or whatever.
• 35:05
  It's just. I.
• 35:06
  Haven't seen any speakers mounted.
• 35:08
  That's what you want to mount? Yeah.
• 35:09
  That's not the only thing. I want to do.
• 35:11
  I did say that we want to Mount Sam, probably, I imagine, and
• 35:17
  you might be able to because there is a party tonight.
• 35:19
  That's right, yes, things are heating up on the other side.
• 35:22
  Trish is invited. She was invited cordially.
• 35:24
  Yes, yeah, I love all the stuff with Tommy and Rob, though
• 35:28
  again, I'm watching the mask work because it was going to be
• 35:31
  the end of Jason. Seemingly.
• 35:34
  They brought Tom Savini back who did the make up for the first
• 35:37
  movie. Talented men.
• 35:38
  These are all Tom Savini creations, so it's an
• 35:40
  opportunity to kind of. Show off his work.
• 35:42
  Yep, Yep, Yep. And I kind of dig it, that
• 35:44
  puppet with the eyes and. All the no, I get it.
• 35:46
  Look at what I can do, yeah. Pretty impressive stuff.
• 35:49
  Anyways, let's set the stage here for the party, Philip.
• 35:51
  Okie, Dokie. House party?
• 35:53
  Yep, you know, similar to Kane. Hardly wades.
• 35:57
  Yeah, sure. Absolutely.
• 35:57
  Well, the same elements. Yeah, totally.
• 35:59
  Not really, just alcohol. And people.
• 36:02
  The Twins are shotgunning. Beer.
• 36:04
  Yeah, that's impressive. They're into everything.
• 36:06
  They really are. They are.
• 36:06
  Go to gals. I'm not buying it.
• 36:09
  Really. They're not buying it, dude.
• 36:10
  In Australia they're the weakest link.
• 36:11
  Oh, maybe. Weakest link.
• 36:12
  Weakest link. Wow.
• 36:14
  And they are linked. They are linked.
• 36:15
  They are twins. That's right, Teddy got a little
• 36:18
  handsy. You could tell that, right?
• 36:19
  That guy's. Creepy.
• 36:20
  A little bit creepy, and Crispin's a little bit weird too
• 36:24
  though. Crispin in Life is weird.
• 36:26
  He's a weird guy. He has some weird interviews and
• 36:28
  stuff. Yeah, he's an odd.
• 36:29
  Odd duck. He did make a movie called
• 36:31
  Willard which I. Loved he didn't love you.
• 36:33
  Love I love. I know the difference.
• 36:35
  So good. I know the difference.
• 36:37
  Yeah, he is. Strangely, I've done a little
• 36:39
  research on this because I, I've know a lot about these movies
• 36:41
  over the years. He is dancing.
• 36:44
  What I found out later, of course it was apparently ACD CS
• 36:47
  back in black that was playing and if you listen to that song
• 36:52
  he's. Looks perfectly.
• 36:53
  Fine. And you connect that to his
• 36:54
  movements. There's a certain staccato
• 36:57
  nature of the song, and so when he's sort of jerking left and
• 37:00
  right, you can synchronize that better than whatever music they
• 37:04
  did put into the movie. Copyright issues.
• 37:05
  You think so? They didn't want to pay for.
• 37:07
  It you probably went on in an interview say that I was made to
• 37:09
  look like that's. Right, you did this to me.
• 37:11
  Ruined my career. Absolutely, yeah.
• 37:13
  You just have this creepy stairs moment.
• 37:16
  He's talking to Teddy. He's like, I want to talk to you
• 37:19
  about something. He's very weird.
• 37:20
  I don't know, It was odd. He's.
• 37:22
  Stuttering. He's.
• 37:25
  I want to tell you it's very strange.
• 37:27
  Meanwhile, it's your girl. Maybe.
• 37:30
  I don't know if Paul and Sam are exclusive.
• 37:32
  He doesn't seem to know either. Yeah, twin one.
• 37:36
  We're just going to call her Twin one.
• 37:38
  They have different personalities.
• 37:39
  They're not exactly the same. They both like beer, but they
• 37:43
  kind of go their separate ways and some other aspects are of
• 37:46
  their life. But she has no boundaries.
• 37:48
  Doesn't seem to twin 1. And Sam's like, you know what,
• 37:51
  I'm just going to take off. But I think she's assuming Paul
• 37:54
  will follow. Of course, which?
• 37:56
  Plays perfectly into what we get It's.
• 37:59
  The people that hang up the phone, they know you're going to
• 38:00
  call back. I never called back.
• 38:02
  I got hung on the phone three times in my life.
• 38:04
  Good for you. And never called her back.
• 38:06
  Good for you, I said. Don't play that game.
• 38:08
  You want to talk to me, talk to me.
• 38:09
  You want to hang up, hang up. But we're not doing this games.
• 38:12
  Mr. Richardy over here. Good.
• 38:13
  For you fit of rage, I was in that age 1718 years old.
• 38:17
  I'm like, just don't do that bullshit.
• 38:19
  Just don't. Just don't.
• 38:22
  What you should be doing is going outside when it's dark.
• 38:25
  Yeah. And getting naked, yeah.
• 38:27
  I had issues with that in a previous Friday.
• 38:30
  Know your surroundings, but I think I'm OK with it just
• 38:35
  because the space seemed like a little wide open.
• 38:37
  And she finds a raft. Yes.
• 38:40
  Swims out to the raft. To the raft.
• 38:41
  Yeah, why? Why wouldn't you exactly hang
• 38:43
  out the raft? You're not going to float around
• 38:45
  all the time. You want to not swim, tread
• 38:46
  water, get on the raft. Big mistake.
• 38:48
  Turns out not to end well. Great kill.
• 38:51
  It's a great kill, absolutely. Watching her really struggle and
• 38:55
  leaping out of the water. I'm sure you jumped and I assume
• 38:57
  I unanticipated. I mean, you know it's coming,
• 39:00
  but you don't know when it's coming, is my point, right?
• 39:02
  I mean, it's a perfect opportunity.
• 39:03
  Here, totally. It's taking the elements of the
• 39:05
  bed and sort of stuff we've seen before and just plussing it up a
• 39:07
  little bit, changing up the dynamic, the scenery.
• 39:09
  Tweak here, tweak there. Exactly.
• 39:11
  I love it. I like the way she plays it.
• 39:13
  You really feel her struggle, her pain, her.
• 39:15
  Yeah. Very good.
• 39:17
  The faces that she's making nailed it.
• 39:19
  Audio Podcast. Because people could see that
• 39:20
  face you made. And ultimately, Paul does come.
• 39:23
  Yeah, he's a good guy. Better late than never, yeah?
• 39:26
  Probably should have taken a pass on this one.
• 39:29
  And basically ones up her kill, yeah, quality wise totally
• 39:34
  harpoon to the. Scroats.
• 39:37
  Yeah. Yeah, it's really good.
• 39:38
  And his reaction is fantastic, yeah.
• 39:41
  And the shot using steam off the lake and him holding up in the
• 39:45
  shadows I thought was just great.
• 39:46
  And Jason's already used the harpoon in Part 3.
• 39:48
  Yeah, we're in reruns already. That's right, but it but a
• 39:50
  different way, right? That's one directly to the eye.
• 39:52
  This is obviously a much different circumstance.
• 39:54
  I mean, when you do 1 harpoon, you're like, I think there's
• 39:56
  more. There's more opportunity like
• 39:58
  this Harpoon's a good one. Yeah, and Paul did scream, as
• 40:00
  you do when you get a harpoon to the nads.
• 40:02
  As you would, yes. Yeah.
• 40:04
  From what I understand and that alerts Rob.
• 40:06
  Yeah, he's out there just hunting for bears.
• 40:08
  No big deal. He's got a tent.
• 40:09
  Yes, of course. As you do.
• 40:12
  Yeah. And he hears it, and he's sort
• 40:14
  of curious, and he runs back to his campsite and his stuff has
• 40:19
  been smashed. That miss anything there or it
• 40:21
  was just kind of like. No, it's basically just
• 40:23
  someone's fucked with us, OK? Jason didn't take anything.
• 40:25
  I don't think he. Just broke his gun or his
• 40:26
  harpoon himself. I thought at first I felt like
• 40:28
  he had taken the harpoon from robbed.
• 40:30
  Oh no, he had that from Part 3. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:33
  And we kind of cut back to the room.
• 40:34
  This is going to be a lot of intercutting because ultimately
• 40:36
  one of the trade-offs for having so many characters, there's a
• 40:39
  lot of different things, yeah, happening in different parts of
• 40:41
  your campground. Setting up people, they're going
• 40:43
  places. That's right, you need to
• 40:44
  isolate them at times but. You're not going to kill them
• 40:46
  right away. You got to go back and then set
• 40:48
  that character up and get them into the where they need to be.
• 40:50
  That's right for their death. I mean, ultimately we got
• 40:52
  Crispin and Twin 1. Yeah, they go upstairs and.
• 40:55
  We got Teddy who finds an old porno reel, yeah.
• 40:59
  More or less. Stag.
• 41:00
  Stag film. Yeah, sure.
• 41:01
  Yeah. From back in the day.
• 41:02
  From back in the day. Vintage, which everybody loves.
• 41:05
  This guy really loves it. Nonstop laughter is pretty high.
• 41:08
  I guess it's the thing, too. He's something.
• 41:10
  And we've got Doug and Sarah Teddy in the middle.
• 41:13
  He's kind of up front. He's in the front row.
• 41:15
  That's right. And then we have Sarah.
• 41:17
  And Doug. Doug in the back row.
• 41:19
  Yeah, and they're just chilling. Chilling.
• 41:22
  But there's a little. She's warming up, she's warming
• 41:24
  up and we get a little. You want to get the bottom bunk?
• 41:28
  Yeah, I want you to have the bottom bunk.
• 41:29
  OK, sure, babe. You want to take the talk?
• 41:32
  No, well played. Totally, totally coy.
• 41:36
  That to me is like that's young feels pretty natural in a weird
• 41:40
  way, silly teenager stuff. Oh absolutely.
• 41:43
  So I'm kind of on board, but basically those two leave yes
• 41:46
  and go upstairs to the shower, to the shower, which I.
• 41:49
  Thought they may have called an audible.
• 41:50
  Yeah, sure. Skip the bunk, go for the shower
• 41:53
  sex. Yeah.
• 41:54
  I mean, if it's your first time, I don't know if shower sex is
• 41:56
  where you want to start. I don't know.
• 41:58
  That's an intermediate level, it's not a beginner.
• 42:01
  Level OK. You got to worry about the
• 42:03
  positioning. You're slipping and you're
• 42:05
  sliding. I don't know my levels.
• 42:07
  I don't know my levels. She doesn't either, and I think
• 42:08
  she should figure it out, but yeah.
• 42:11
  And so we leave Teddy in the in the in the main room, watching
• 42:14
  the stag. Film and like, loving and
• 42:17
  loving, just eating it up. I love him as a character.
• 42:19
  I like the Teddy computer stuff, I like all his conversations, I
• 42:22
  like all his advice, I like his acting, I like everything about
• 42:24
  it. But dude, stop fucking laughing.
• 42:27
  Yeah, it's just too damn much. I can only give you so much
• 42:30
  lenience. That's right.
• 42:31
  We haven't talked much about Twin 2, no.
• 42:33
  Twin ones occupied a lot of our conversations you're.
• 42:36
  Right, she's the fun one. Yeah, that's true.
• 42:38
  Yeah, Twin 2 is a bit of a sour puss.
• 42:39
  And she goes upstairs, yes, and wants to leave, yeah, but she
• 42:43
  wants to do her twin because they do everything.
• 42:45
  Sure, they're both not everything.
• 42:46
  Not everything that. Would be a different movie.
• 42:48
  Twin one says you go. Yes.
• 42:51
  Are you with me? When two says I'm going to leave
• 42:54
  without you, that's what you go means.
• 42:57
  That's what going means, yes. Yes.
• 42:59
  Saying the writing's a little little iffy.
• 43:01
  A little iffy, to say the least. And well.
• 43:05
  She leaves, she does. This is one of my favorite
• 43:08
  kills. OK for a guy that loves the gory
• 43:11
  and the. Group.
• 43:11
  Not much of that to this one. Just the effect and the use of
• 43:15
  the trick, the lighting effect, the shadow against the front of
• 43:20
  the house, the cabin, the spear going in.
• 43:23
  That's classic old school. You're sliding the knife
• 43:26
  underneath your arm, but the shadow looks like you're getting
• 43:28
  stabbed and then luckily pays it off.
• 43:30
  But getting thrown. I was like, this is great.
• 43:32
  I love this kill for the simplicity of it.
• 43:35
  I would agree. I'd actually kind of liked it
• 43:36
  too. I like not seeing the kill and
• 43:39
  then seeing the result. The result.
• 43:40
  We've had spear work before. That's right.
• 43:42
  Let's switch it up a little something special with it, which
• 43:44
  I thought it did. I love this kill since we're
• 43:47
  outside Phil, Yeah. Let's go across the street.
• 43:50
  Jarvi time, Yes. Gotcha.
• 43:52
  There's a lot of moving pieces. That's right, lots of INS and
• 43:54
  outs and what's have used. Let's not forget it's raining
• 43:56
  true. You love that, don't you?
• 43:58
  That's why I just talked about the lightning and the rain and
• 44:00
  the poncho that she gets thrown up against.
• 44:02
  I was like this is so good. You're a real weather guy.
• 44:05
  In these movies, it's all about the weather.
• 44:07
  Every once in a while we get a kill, but we don't see it.
• 44:10
  Truth. How do you feel about that?
• 44:12
  It bothers me. I want to see the kill, or I
• 44:14
  want to see the result of the kill.
• 44:16
  What happens next? We get neither.
• 44:18
  But we get a. Scream doesn't matter the shriek
• 44:21
  into nothingness that the mother gives at this point.
• 44:24
  You're not having it. It's just unsatisfying like
• 44:27
  that. She's potentially dead, but I
• 44:28
  don't want the ambiguity. I want her to be dead or I want
• 44:32
  her to not be dead. There's a deleted scene where a
• 44:35
  little bit later when Trish comes back with Rob, goes
• 44:38
  upstairs and sees the mom dead in the bathtub, but it's
• 44:42
  deleted. So up until very recently, I
• 44:44
  didn't know that that was a thing.
• 44:46
  So. So you didn't get to see
• 44:47
  anything. So that bothered me always.
• 44:49
  Sorry to hear it you brought it up.
• 44:52
  I wish I hadn't. Crispin.
• 45:02
  Yes. Crispy.
• 45:03
  Crispy. I used to have a guy, a friend
• 45:05
  of mine named Crispy. His name was Crispin, but we
• 45:08
  called him Crispy. OK, yeah, I like Crispers.
• 45:10
  Yeah. All dressed, buddy.
• 45:11
  Yeah, I think I have some at home actually.
• 45:13
  Dollar 88. That's a good deal.
• 45:15
  Yeah, Crispin, he gets a raw deal.
• 45:17
  We already established that he wants to go Round 2.
• 45:20
  That's true. He's ready to go.
• 45:21
  Well, he's not quite ready. He's about to be.
• 45:23
  He's a little bit of wine. He needs a Corkscrew.
• 45:25
  Not me, because I used to drink cheap wine.
• 45:27
  Yeah. Twis cap.
• 45:28
  Twis cap. Yeah.
• 45:29
  Which reminded me briefly of Halloween.
• 45:32
  Was there a Corkscrew involved? H2O at the sink.
• 45:36
  Well, that's not a Corkscrew, it's a carburetor.
• 45:37
  But he was looking for a. Corkscrew.
• 45:39
  He was looking for a Corkscrew, wasn't it?
• 45:40
  Right. And it fell into the carburetor.
• 45:42
  There you go. Good job.
• 45:44
  Great memories. Great memories of that movie,
• 45:47
  Steve Minor classic. In this case, the Corkscrew goes
• 45:51
  through his hands. Yes, so good favorite kill.
• 45:54
  I don't know if I have a favorite kill.
• 45:55
  This is a good one though because it's a double whammy.
• 45:58
  Double whammy and he gets something to his head.
• 45:59
  Cleaver. Cleaver.
• 46:00
  Yeah, it's phenomenal. This is my favorite kill.
• 46:03
  This is your favorite? Kill 100% because of that same
• 46:05
  reason. He's just such a distinctive,
• 46:07
  definitive, singular. Entity.
• 46:11
  Character, sure, entity, but a character in the movie, right?
• 46:15
  Like there's we've had three movies of fairly interchangeable
• 46:18
  characters that we don't know the names of and don't really
• 46:20
  know the characteristics of and you're pretty girl and you're
• 46:23
  fat guy and you're sport guy, like all very generic
• 46:26
  stereotypes. There is no one up until now, I
• 46:29
  think in any of these movies that would have been a Jimmy
• 46:32
  character vibe. So having that character be so
• 46:35
  fairly unique and dying, I think, in such a unique kind of
• 46:38
  fashion. Everyone else, it's like a
• 46:40
  harpoon to the balls, which is a great kill, but there's
• 46:42
  something about the. I think I like that one the
• 46:44
  extra. Pain that comes in here where
• 46:47
  it's the initial slamming of the Corkscrew and then having him
• 46:50
  turn around and then get in the cleaver to the face and the
• 46:53
  blood gore pouring out of his face.
• 46:56
  That is just magic. Better than Kevin Bacon.
• 46:58
  So far, I think this is my favorite because it's got the
• 47:01
  best elements of what I would have seen in the guy that got
• 47:05
  killed in the wheelchair in Part 2.
• 47:06
  Mark. Mark his name, dammit.
• 47:08
  Jesus. It is the equivalent of that
• 47:13
  because Mark, we see from the back this, we get to see the
• 47:16
  look. It's a great look.
• 47:18
  And then in a timely fashion, we'll dispatch his partner,
• 47:21
  correct? I think that's the way to do it.
• 47:23
  This is the post sex kill, by the way.
• 47:26
  I figured you'd clue into that. Yes, for sure.
• 47:28
  Absolutely. This is that I like this one
• 47:30
  Twin 2 you like. I do like twin 2, now that I
• 47:32
  think about it. This twin one, actually.
• 47:33
  Twin one. Come on, now.
• 47:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Twin one's the fun one.
• 47:36
  That's right, because it involves a window.
• 47:38
  Yes. And it's different.
• 47:40
  Change of scenery. And it's not incredibly gory.
• 47:42
  You're right. Allies.
• 47:43
  You know mine. We're up it well shot.
• 47:49
  It's a great fall right on top of the car.
• 47:52
  Looks great up to now. That is my favorite kill.
• 47:54
  Fantastic. Just to shut you up.
• 47:56
  I appreciate it. You didn't have to give me in
• 47:57
  the moment. You could do me at the.
• 47:58
  End. I felt pressured.
• 47:59
  I felt pressured. I think it's fair to reasonable
• 48:02
  to ask SO. They're done.
• 48:05
  Yes, they are. But this Switch gear is just for
• 48:07
  a moment, and we'll get a little bit of dialogue, a little.
• 48:11
  Bit of back story character development briefly, don't
• 48:14
  worry. Yeah, we had an idea.
• 48:15
  Rob had something to say. Yes, he's obviously got some
• 48:19
  characteristics. That need to be fleshed down.
• 48:21
  Why is he on the hunt? Is he just like a weirdo?
• 48:24
  Yeah, no, he's got 'cause. Yes, he does.
• 48:27
  Probable. He probably does, yeah.
• 48:31
  I need you for this one. OK?
• 48:32
  I know his sister was killed by Jason.
• 48:35
  That's what he says. Yeah, Sandra.
• 48:37
  OK, hold on. Let me visualize everybody.
• 48:39
  You might be arrested for visualizing too much Sandra, 17.
• 48:43
  Oh, it's her. Yeah.
• 48:44
  Oh, OK. That's Sandra.
• 48:46
  OK, but what's interesting, if you're looking at it logically,
• 48:49
  this guy has been clearly hunting, seemingly for a while,
• 48:52
  and his sisters Sandra's disappeared.
• 48:55
  Now, by the logic of the movie, this, this person's been dead
• 49:00
  for 30 hours. Again, I don't care.
• 49:02
  It doesn't bother me. But only when you've seen a
• 49:04
  movie 100 times, right? There's a little bit of like,
• 49:06
  wait a minute, this guy's like, all over the entire campgrounds,
• 49:09
  as if he's like, on this hunt for a long time.
• 49:11
  Is it only 30 hours? All of this stuff is happening
• 49:14
  basically over a six hour period.
• 49:15
  You would just assume like I guess I'm just used to trilogy.
• 49:18
  Logic and. Well, that too.
• 49:21
  It's been 4 years movie time but we're not in real time so it
• 49:24
  makes it interesting for the character.
• 49:25
  Again, nobody gives it a crap and and it's totally fine, but
• 49:28
  he's very passionate. Rob to.
• 49:29
  Live and he's trying to find her.
• 49:31
  Yeah, his body's missing. Yes, it was stolen.
• 49:34
  Yeah, he somehow knows two people are missing as.
• 49:36
  Well, and Trish's not having any of it, how is an excuse for
• 49:39
  everything really shuts him down?
• 49:40
  Yeah. Come on lady, we'll see about
• 49:43
  that. Worried about it?
• 49:44
  He's not worrying about it as Teddy.
• 49:46
  This guy is not a care in the world.
• 49:48
  Unfortunately. He loves this stag film so much.
• 49:51
  When the reel breaks, he's lost, doesn't know what to do, and
• 49:54
  even then he's still laughing and he stands behind the movie
• 49:57
  screen and gets a knife to the back of the head.
• 49:59
  That he does. I have some questions around the
• 50:02
  logistics. Of course.
• 50:04
  He gets close to the screen to kiss the character.
• 50:08
  Yeah, he's being super weird. Sure.
• 50:09
  Whatever. Behind him is the film.
• 50:11
  Yeah, it stops somehow. Jason has teleported.
• 50:15
  Yeah, yeah, this is a skill he's got.
• 50:18
  So I do have issues around the teleportation.
• 50:20
  Sure. Now, if you recall the Friday
• 50:22
  the 13th game, one of your special powers as Jason, gift of
• 50:25
  teleportation. Oh, OK, so they acknowledge in
• 50:28
  the game, in the game that it's a little ridiculous, but it is a
• 50:31
  bright light and he's confused. Teddy is and he's high.
• 50:35
  So maybe Jason just didn't teleport, just moved very fast.
• 50:39
  Who's to say what's happening over?
• 50:40
  Here I'm to say it's your shit. But it's a good kill knife in
• 50:44
  the back of the head. Hey, if it's in the game, it's
• 50:46
  in the game. He had the bread on the white
• 50:48
  screen. It's a nice touch.
• 50:49
  Figured you'd like that. Yes, we've dispatched the twins.
• 50:53
  We've dispatched Teddy and Jimmy.
• 50:55
  There's two people left in the house.
• 50:57
  We have Sarah, who's in sex mode.
• 51:00
  Yes, she is. And Scott Granger, that's right.
• 51:03
  And they're going to have a shower together.
• 51:04
  Yeah. This is a better example of the
• 51:07
  presex, Yeah, much better than Paul and Sam the possible.
• 51:11
  That was more, that was more assumed.
• 51:13
  That's right. This is just because they have a
• 51:14
  reputation. But this is built in.
• 51:17
  Yeah, here it is. Yes, it's happening and it would
• 51:20
  have happened and I know. For a fact you love the Grainger
• 51:23
  kill Absolutely I do in the shower.
• 51:25
  So good. Those rotted gross hands of
• 51:28
  Jason with a disgusting fingernails.
• 51:30
  He needs to, really. Pressing his face and crushing
• 51:32
  it. Oh man, it's and watching the
• 51:34
  feed and the flutter and the blood and the.
• 51:36
  Oh yeah, it's perfect. Sorry, A manicure.
• 51:37
  I said pedicure. Yeah, correct myself.
• 51:40
  I probably needs both. Yeah.
• 51:42
  Yeah. If you recall, I had a really
• 51:45
  good idea last week of who was going to last.
• 51:48
  Yes. The final two, it's pretty
• 51:50
  obvious. Sure.
• 51:51
  Because they had gone off somewhere.
• 51:52
  That's right. I thought I knew in this one I
• 51:55
  had ideas and Sarah might have been the final stand.
• 51:59
  Got you. But in the back of my mind, it
• 52:01
  makes sense that the family, it's in their favor.
• 52:06
  So this was a little abrupt for me.
• 52:08
  I think she might get away, turns out.
• 52:10
  It's a weird kill for me because.
• 52:12
  How? So Philip, what I like about it
• 52:14
  is she ends up going to a door and there's an explosion that
• 52:18
  happens at her head, and if you're watching slowly, it kind
• 52:21
  of explodes. In her head, regular speed.
• 52:23
  But the edit has her take an axe to the stomach and she falls
• 52:28
  backwards and she's sort of writhing and she's basically
• 52:30
  dead in an instant. But it looks like she gets an
• 52:33
  axe to the head I was really excited about.
• 52:35
  That yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.
• 52:36
  Disappointed, of course, that it just went into her chest.
• 52:38
  That's an oversight. Yeah, it's a little bit of a mix
• 52:40
  up, but no big deal. End of the day, it's fine
• 52:43
  there's. Blood.
• 52:44
  There's Gore. That's right, I'll take it.
• 52:46
  But we end up back at the Jarvis house.
• 52:49
  Yes, right. Tommy is there.
• 52:51
  Yeah. They're wondering where Mom is.
• 52:53
  That's right. Trish runs back with Rob.
• 52:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now all three of them are in
• 52:58
  there because they're saying Tommy's alone at the cabin.
• 53:01
  He's tough. So they rush back, see that he's
• 53:04
  OK, They're trying to call the cops.
• 53:06
  You see Jason's gnarled hands pull the phone line off the
• 53:09
  house, a little aggressive. I love that.
• 53:11
  I bet you do. Because otherwise, again, we
• 53:13
  have these moments where it just happens.
• 53:15
  This is like a real guy in action.
• 53:17
  Typically, Jason seems to be in the right place at the right
• 53:21
  time and nobody sees him. That's right.
• 53:23
  Like even leaving the hospital and killing like that.
• 53:25
  No, he's fast. Yeah.
• 53:28
  Yeah. What I found funny about this
• 53:30
  moment is they get back, Tommy's there, they try to make the
• 53:33
  phone call, They rushed back specifically because Tommy was
• 53:36
  alone. Correct.
• 53:38
  And then within two minutes, they both leave.
• 53:40
  Yeah, they're both like we got to go to.
• 53:42
  The house. We're going to go check the
• 53:43
  house. You're fine.
• 53:44
  Stay here. He's got it.
• 53:47
  So it just maybe chuckled it. It was the most important thing.
• 53:49
  We had to get back to the cabin. And we're good.
• 53:51
  See you later. Major plot hole.
• 53:53
  Yeah. I felt a miss opportunity
• 53:54
  happened, but I know it wasn't in the cards.
• 53:57
  OK. Tommy was downstairs with the
• 53:59
  flashlight to get the power back on.
• 54:01
  Yes. And what would scare me?
• 54:03
  Because you have a very small circumference, radius, diameter,
• 54:07
  all of it. And if you flash that light and
• 54:09
  just see that hockey mask? Yeah, in a flash too.
• 54:12
  You don't have. Any that's good totally and I
• 54:14
  just. Felt that opportunity, yeah, but
• 54:16
  I know. He's in the other house, yes,
• 54:18
  but why doesn't he use his teleportation?
• 54:20
  So I'm saying go all in, go all in, commit.
• 54:24
  Yeah, we're in the last 20 minutes now.
• 54:25
  Things are really going to start heating up.
• 54:28
  Rob goes downstairs to check out the lights, and weirdly, out of
• 54:31
  nowhere, we see Gordon go through the window.
• 54:34
  Do you think Gordon's dead by the end of this movie?
• 54:36
  Oh, we've seen Part 2 and how they handle Muffin.
• 54:41
  Dead, then alive, then dead. I don't know, there's too much
• 54:43
  going on. I think he's dead.
• 54:45
  That's too bad. I don't mind the small dogs
• 54:47
  getting it. Yeah.
• 54:48
  But. I have a respect.
• 54:49
  For the bigger dogs, Retriever, yeah, but we do have a little
• 54:52
  bit of foreshadowing. Tommy's looking through Rob's
• 54:55
  stuff. And sees.
• 54:57
  The articles and sees the artist rendering of what young Jason
• 55:00
  looked like at the end of Part 1.
• 55:02
  Handsome. Yeah.
• 55:04
  We don't yet know what that's going to translate to, but we
• 55:06
  see that Tommy's taking an interest.
• 55:08
  Yes, mental note. But we've got Robin and Tricia
• 55:10
  the cabin now, and they're going downstairs to check out the
• 55:14
  lights. Rob is.
• 55:15
  You have to. You got to check out the lights.
• 55:17
  Lights are such a big role in horror movies.
• 55:19
  Totally. The only thing I really like
• 55:21
  about this kill because Rob's about to get it.
• 55:23
  OK, it's a little silly in hindsight, but I don't mind it.
• 55:26
  It's the he's killing me, he's killing me.
• 55:29
  If you're up on the stairs on the 1st floor and you're hearing
• 55:31
  that coming from the basement, that's pretty terrifying.
• 55:34
  I would imagine. To hear that, yeah.
• 55:36
  And I, he's killing me. He's killing.
• 55:37
  Get out. Get out.
• 55:38
  Yeah. That's kind of scary.
• 55:39
  It was the worst possible time to have your foot go through the
• 55:42
  stairs. Yeah.
• 55:42
  That's just she came back down like, what are we?
• 55:45
  Talking about that was just. Poorly played.
• 55:47
  Yeah, that part is like, weirdly the only part of the movie where
• 55:49
  I'm like, stupid. I thought maybe in a weird way.
• 55:52
  I thought we had an ally situation, OK, that he was gonna
• 55:55
  come back. Oh yeah, sure, sure.
• 55:57
  Mcduff is Mcdead. Yes, at the moment I thought the
• 56:00
  same, like, oh, maybe he didn't, you know, we don't see him, but
• 56:03
  we do find out. Yes, we do.
• 56:04
  At this point, Trish is terrified.
• 56:07
  She's having a bad day, yes. She's in a bit of a panic, kind
• 56:11
  of running around the house, wants to get out.
• 56:14
  And I get that You don't want to hang around.
• 56:16
  No, you want to flee. She was frozen on the stairs for
• 56:18
  a bit, kind of watched Rob get it.
• 56:21
  Yes. Which was the well, whatever
• 56:23
  gets you, whatever floats your boat.
• 56:25
  They are a family of voyeurs we established Tommy likes to watch
• 56:27
  too. She opens up a door and we have
• 56:31
  twin 2 lying on the ground. Correct.
• 56:34
  Are you with me? I'm with you.
• 56:35
  Let's get the geography here. She goes to door #2 and we have
• 56:41
  Crispin Mclovin, whatever his name is, kind of hang in there.
• 56:45
  Yeah, staked, basically. Yeah, Spiked.
• 56:47
  In that's good luck. So she doesn't know how to get
• 56:50
  out. Trapped.
• 56:51
  She's trapped. So she breaks a window.
• 56:54
  My question to you, Philip, if you can explain this.
• 56:56
  If you can't, I understand. I don't expect you to.
• 56:59
  Why can you have gone out the front door with the twin 2 on
• 57:02
  the ground? Very good question.
• 57:04
  I understand not going out the other door because that's kind
• 57:06
  of gross. I still would because.
• 57:10
  The killer has come. But all you have to do is just
• 57:11
  jump over the body. Totally that.
• 57:13
  Doesn't make sense. What else doesn't make sense?
• 57:16
  If again nitpicking twin one gets thrown out of the window
• 57:23
  from the same height, Basically it's same room or more or less
• 57:27
  the same floor. Dies on the spot.
• 57:30
  Trish, however, no problem. I thought she might be a level
• 57:32
  down. OK.
• 57:35
  Maybe it was the velocity because she would she jumped up
• 57:37
  her own volition did throw on top of a car.
• 57:40
  True. She just landed on the ground
• 57:42
  which is a little bit soft because of the rain.
• 57:44
  That's possible. I've totally bought that she
• 57:46
  survived that. OK.
• 57:47
  I think they spent the right amount of time with her lying on
• 57:49
  the ground. Respect.
• 57:50
  Yeah. Great shot, great stunt.
• 57:53
  But yeah. So now she runs back to the
• 57:54
  house and we're in classic mode. Barricade the doors, lock him
• 57:57
  up, put out the block all the entrances.
• 58:01
  Safety first. What happens in every single one
• 58:04
  of these movies when you've locked all the doors and blocked
• 58:06
  all the doors? Power goes out, lights go out,
• 58:10
  window breaks, window breaks, of course, So we get robbed getting
• 58:15
  thrown through the window. Oh yeah, the proof that he's
• 58:18
  dead and he's got some sort of spike in his neck.
• 58:20
  And hair, right? That was a great moment.
• 58:22
  But really, the cool scene in this to me is when Jason bursts
• 58:26
  through the door and grabs Tommy Feldman's look.
• 58:30
  It's just like terrified. Like I was like, this is a kid
• 58:33
  who who's an actor I don't love, but watching his performance of
• 58:36
  that fear you. Can feel it.
• 58:37
  Yeah, he does that exceptionally well, I thought.
• 58:40
  Obviously this movie is it's heating up.
• 58:42
  It's the last 15. It's we have our final two
• 58:44
  survivors. Yeah, I'm thinking they'll
• 58:47
  probably make it. OK, that's fine.
• 58:49
  Yeah, sure. Because I don't know how.
• 58:51
  Yeah, of course. Of course it's going to be
• 58:52
  interesting. You can make your assumptions.
• 58:54
  I had no idea ATV was going to be involved.
• 58:57
  You're ATV guy so it feels like this is right up your alley and
• 59:00
  her family. Used to be subscribed to TV
• 59:01
  Guide but you can't do that with a flat screen.
• 59:05
  We talked a lot lately about technology and that's one thing
• 59:08
  you missed. Opportunities.
• 59:09
  A little tube tub boom messed him up a bit.
• 59:11
  Knocked him out almost. Yeah, yeah, Classic horror
• 59:14
  movie, right? We saw it in Halloween, we've
• 59:16
  seen it in previous Friday movies, and I have to step over
• 59:19
  the body to get to the. I was worried that she wouldn't
• 59:22
  do that because she has a problem stepping over bodies.
• 59:24
  You recall 3 minutes ago she was unwilling to do such a thing.
• 59:28
  But here we are. And he has to make a choice.
• 59:30
  Jason does. Yeah.
• 59:31
  Who do you go with? Chase the kid.
• 59:33
  You chase the girl. You chase the girl, you figure
• 59:35
  you can catch the kid later. All right.
• 59:36
  I love that there's this choice moment.
• 59:38
  I think it's a real subtle thing and it may not matter in the
• 59:41
  grand scheme. Choose your own adventure.
• 59:42
  But I like that, that it's an element of this movie that it's
• 59:45
  put in and you see him processing.
• 59:48
  Oh yeah. And he moves One Direction,
• 59:49
  moves another and then commits. Something about it stands out as
• 59:51
  something that's unique to this movie, and in a way that the
• 59:54
  others haven't. I felt it.
• 59:55
  Yeah, I think it's good. Yeah, we're back at the Jarvis
• 1:00:05
  house at this point. That's right, I'm with it.
• 1:00:07
  And Jason starts to, for the first time, really get some
• 1:00:11
  damage. I mean he did have an axe in the
• 1:00:12
  head in Part 3, so granted. He's died once.
• 1:00:17
  Yes. But we have what I think is one
• 1:00:19
  of the cool effects, which is the machete to the hand as he
• 1:00:22
  goes to reach and she basically chops it in half.
• 1:00:26
  Your thoughts on that? Yeah, I would say in general,
• 1:00:28
  this movie has upped the ante and all of that.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah. Everything they've done with the
• 1:00:33
  blood and the stabs and the harpoon, everything is level up.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah. And I like this one.
• 1:00:39
  For a guy who doesn't like this stuff, I can appreciate that's
• 1:00:42
  right, the improvement that I see.
• 1:00:45
  Yeah, from previous installments.
• 1:00:47
  I think that's ultimately what we've talked about, right?
• 1:00:48
  Like you don't have to love what it is, so you can love how it
• 1:00:52
  is. I think there's ways to
• 1:00:53
  appreciate or see like that's clever, that's cool, that's
• 1:00:55
  neat. You know, whatever else.
• 1:00:56
  Even if you're like, I don't want to see someone get cut open
• 1:00:59
  who does, but you do in watching Part 3, cutting the guy who's
• 1:01:02
  standing on his hands, like that's cool.
• 1:01:03
  Whether it's, you know, healthy or not is irrelevant.
• 1:01:08
  But this is the final stance. That's right.
• 1:01:11
  Yes, that I can say for. This is the moment, this is it.
• 1:01:14
  And so she is now terrified. She's beating him with the
• 1:01:17
  hammer, and in the midst of this, Jason gets his hands on
• 1:01:19
  her. Tommy comes down and he's done a
• 1:01:22
  little makeover himself. Yeah, we've cut to that a couple
• 1:01:24
  of times. As he's prepping his little.
• 1:01:26
  I don't think his mother would like it, but she's dead, so.
• 1:01:29
  Fair. That's OK.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, I think in terms of what were your thoughts on this?
• 1:01:34
  On what specifically? Just the the haircut choice.
• 1:01:37
  Or what I think about when I used to watch wrestling in the
• 1:01:40
  90s, there would be this thing where someone would distract
• 1:01:44
  somebody. Oh yeah, right.
• 1:01:46
  And they get rolled up and they do this, right?
• 1:01:48
  Like something happens on the ramp, someone looks over and
• 1:01:51
  then gets rolled up and it's over.
• 1:01:53
  And I think about Part 2 and Jenny wearing the mom sweater
• 1:01:59
  pretending to be Jason's mom. Which I believe liked that.
• 1:02:02
  Moment you did, I did and I did too.
• 1:02:04
  So I wonder now I liked it more that were that were two movies
• 1:02:08
  later and this is a variation on that same thing.
• 1:02:12
  How do you take this one? Is it in the same sphere or not?
• 1:02:15
  First of all, I understand that we're dealing in a world of
• 1:02:17
  variations. Yes.
• 1:02:19
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:02:20
  Let's establish signed on for that.
• 1:02:22
  That's built in, yeah. I had questions around how long
• 1:02:25
  that would take. Irrelevant really.
• 1:02:29
  I mean, I just mean like, yeah, it could take, yeah, probably
• 1:02:32
  couldn't do it in the in the time frame, but almost done.
• 1:02:35
  Yeah. Can you just hold off?
• 1:02:37
  I'm off a little longer. If this is truly the final
• 1:02:40
  chapter, If it was, I am pretty content with how they wrap it up
• 1:02:45
  in general with him trying to fool Jason, looking like him as
• 1:02:50
  a kid trying to have a connection there.
• 1:02:52
  Sort of empathy almost, and connections.
• 1:02:53
  Exactly. So I I'm all in.
• 1:02:55
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:02:56
  So you're not like, oh, I've seen this before.
• 1:02:58
  We had none of those kind of judgements.
• 1:03:00
  Great. It's a big enough.
• 1:03:01
  Variation. But let's get to the next
• 1:03:02
  question then, which is Trish ends up knocking Jason's mask
• 1:03:06
  off and we get the full reveal of the newest version of Jason's
• 1:03:12
  face. Graphics have improved every
• 1:03:15
  year. So what are your thoughts on his
• 1:03:16
  look and then ultimately the machete to the head, but more
• 1:03:19
  specifically of the look in general?
• 1:03:21
  I'm still thinking about sloth. Yeah, okay.
• 1:03:24
  Better version, however, the knife going through the head.
• 1:03:30
  Well done. I love it.
• 1:03:31
  Everybody knows you love it. The fact that I love it, or even
• 1:03:35
  like it, or can even. Stand it.
• 1:03:38
  Yeah. Says something.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah. It's one thing to get the
• 1:03:41
  machete to the head. That's one thing.
• 1:03:43
  And then having him fall forward and watching it rise up.
• 1:03:47
  Yeah. It's like, that's your plus
• 1:03:49
  moment. This is Savini going all out.
• 1:03:50
  So I'm glad you appreciate. It had all the trimmings.
• 1:03:52
  It really did. He needs to be dead or we are
• 1:03:56
  getting into sure at this point he's got half his head been
• 1:03:59
  yeah, we're getting into a whole new dimension here, which I'm
• 1:04:02
  not willing to go. Totally makes sense.
• 1:04:04
  Not yet. Baby steps.
• 1:04:05
  I love it, and I love that he twitches.
• 1:04:08
  I'll give it a twitch. You can have the twitch,
• 1:04:10
  absolutely. That's fun.
• 1:04:11
  We saw in Rocky 4 when Apollo goes down, he twitches.
• 1:04:14
  This is what you do when you're about to die.
• 1:04:15
  Or pee yourself, I think. Or soil yourself.
• 1:04:18
  Sure. Think so a thing?
• 1:04:19
  Absolutely. But then we had Tommy, Who
• 1:04:22
  similarly snaps, eh? Oh, he goes off.
• 1:04:24
  Die. Die.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, he gets right into it, eh? Yeah, you really find enjoyment.
• 1:04:28
  You connect to that. No, OK.
• 1:04:31
  I found it exhilarating as a kid that there would be a kid doing
• 1:04:35
  such things on television. Yeah, there was something a big
• 1:04:38
  deal about. That's edgy.
• 1:04:39
  Watching a 1011 whatever year old kid be so violent.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah, let's Corey bringing it. Yeah, when he's playing the kids
• 1:04:46
  parts, he feels like he's totally a kid.
• 1:04:48
  And in this moment, I'm like, I buy that you're fucked up, but
• 1:04:51
  this has happened. I think Corey Feldman had the
• 1:04:54
  potential to be a pretty good actor.
• 1:04:55
  I agree. You got a lot of stuff fucked up
• 1:04:57
  around him and stuff like that, but.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah, it was. It's too bad, Totally too bad,
• 1:05:00
  because you can see the potential.
• 1:05:01
  There, Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:05:03
  So it's called the final chapter.
• 1:05:05
  Jason's got his head more or less chopped off back to the
• 1:05:08
  hospital. Similar to Part 1.
• 1:05:10
  Anyway. Oh yeah.
• 1:05:11
  I wonder what your thoughts are as this movie kind of wraps up
• 1:05:13
  and how it ends and what your thoughts are.
• 1:05:16
  Obviously you know there is another one, but if you were
• 1:05:19
  watching, as you said earlier, you think this is the last one.
• 1:05:22
  Do you feel in that moment, if you could get into that
• 1:05:25
  headspace, that this is the last one?
• 1:05:27
  Yes and no. OK, it's the end of Jason.
• 1:05:30
  OK. And you're thinking?
• 1:05:31
  Tommy. Maybe not Corey Feldman, but
• 1:05:33
  somebody sure playing Tommy becomes Jason.
• 1:05:37
  And I'm going to make another one.
• 1:05:38
  You go the Tommy route. Well, we'll cross those bridges
• 1:05:41
  as we come. This kind of works.
• 1:05:42
  This fun is sort of the blind nature of kind of going to the.
• 1:05:45
  Next. But I would be right in assuming
• 1:05:46
  that right it wasn't misunderstanding.
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  I don't think so. Feldman's kind of dead eyes
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  looking in the camera and going to black feels like.
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  All right, you're setting this up.
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  It's the last chapter. Well, don't worry, we've got
• 1:05:56
  another option, you know, potentially so.
• 1:05:59
  All right, David, this is it. Part 4 Down the drain down the.
• 1:06:02
  Tubes, you said it. It's actually strange, like I
• 1:06:05
  said, certainly my favorite at this point.
• 1:06:06
  Where does it rank for use thus far, and are you as excited at
• 1:06:10
  the end of three as you were into four and just general
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  overall thought? What's interesting about this
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  movie is I recognize it is the best one of the four, but by
• 1:06:19
  being the best, it doesn't mean I like it.
• 1:06:22
  Sure, because I still don't like horror movies, of course.
• 1:06:26
  So if they become better, there's a chance we're all like
• 1:06:28
  it less. That's true.
• 1:06:30
  OK. Better in this level is less OK.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah, or the other ones I can have fun with because they're
• 1:06:35
  maybe not that scary. Or less gore, or less effective.
• 1:06:40
  Characters you can make fun of, sure.
• 1:06:42
  So it kind of. Trades, OK, Interesting.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah, I wouldn't have thought of that, but yeah, OK.
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  But I recognize again the production value of it.
• 1:06:50
  It's inarguable. But one feeling that's different
• 1:06:53
  about the end of this one is I'm getting to the point where I'm
• 1:06:57
  ready to maybe wait until EA puts the next one on sale.
• 1:07:04
  Gotcha. If you follow me, sure.
• 1:07:06
  Or I skippy. Here.
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  Excitement. So I didn't have the interest
• 1:07:09
  necessarily going to the next one, OK, Even though I was like,
• 1:07:12
  OK, what are they going to do? Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  I think ultimately, I think the first one is still probably.
• 1:07:18
  OK, wow. Going all the way back, Yeah.
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  Going all the way back. Respect.
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  Yeah. I think the clear loser is 3.
• 1:07:23
  Yeah, it's weird how that. Didn't hold up at all.
• 1:07:25
  Yeah, but the. Characters are good enough and
• 1:07:28
  and 1:00 and 2:00. That sounds about right for me.
• 1:07:30
  To your point where you have that divergent between the
• 1:07:34
  better horror movie or the better gorefest it is, the less
• 1:07:37
  interested you are. I'm the opposite, obviously.
• 1:07:40
  Yeah, I am all about it. Want more, more more?
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  But the kills are better in this one.
• 1:07:44
  If you calculate how many kills were in all four of them, yeah,
• 1:07:48
  I would say the top ten. Six of them are in this movie.
• 1:07:51
  And I think that that's true is that these are imaginative and
• 1:07:53
  inventive and kind of take what happened before and make it kind
• 1:07:56
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