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Patriots Unfiltered 9/21: Final Steelers Thoughts, Ravens Preview, Roster Moves and Practice Update · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: of the superlatives from the game. Best dress, um, and
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  Speaker 1: looks like you know, Aaron Jones or what's the running
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  Speaker 1: back's name. Yeah, he looks like he's playing pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: What if we did a segment that we took the
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  Speaker 1: key element of a game and we called it the
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  Speaker 1: turning point to marry What do you think can we
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  Speaker 1: use that the turning point? She's just looking at me
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not having it all right tomorrow? Were keeping
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  Speaker 1: you up over that? It is? Williams and Philam, what's up? William?
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  Speaker 1: what you saw. He did well, but you're not. You're
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  Speaker 1: not keying on Cole Strange every play. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to have more confidence from yourself. I was great again, right,
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  Speaker 1: All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Gilette Stadium, and we're gonna be talking about the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots for the next two hours. It's Deuce, It's Alex,
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  Speaker 1: It's Paul, It's Fred and Matt and the booth and
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  Speaker 1: uh so what are we? What are we thinking here? Now?
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  Speaker 1: It's the turn the page day. Now we fully turn
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  Speaker 1: our attention to the Ravens. A big test coming up,
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  Speaker 1: big test. Just a quick little bit of news. Oh
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  Speaker 1: oh oh, Jordan Schultz, the guy who's kind of on
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  Speaker 1: our like bubble of do we trust him or not?
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  Speaker 1: I think we're starting to trust him, by I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to state for the record, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know what the news is. He a blue check
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  Speaker 1: mark guy. He's a blue check mark guy. For the score.
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  Speaker 1: He is reporting that dot Terrence Mitchell is getting signed
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  Speaker 1: off of the Patriots practice squad by the Titans, so
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  Speaker 1: he'll he'll head to Tennessee to be on their fifty
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  Speaker 1: three man roster. Tens Mitchell. Okay, not the major but
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of a move there. Okay. Next,
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  Speaker 1: their depth of tiny bit. Yeah, yeah, just I mean, no, no, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. But once you fool
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  Speaker 1: me where we see wrong before a handful of times,
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  Speaker 1: Mike might know the details of the ones, but like
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  Speaker 1: we've we've kind of gotten caught up in some of those,
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  Speaker 1: um and not, wasn't it Sergeant Schultz and said, I
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  Speaker 1: know nothing. Maybe that's the correct perhaps correct. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's uh, I don't know, Maybe he's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more tapped in now and maybe he's got accurate information.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I think sometimes you feel like
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  Speaker 1: some people just random people start with like sources tell
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  Speaker 1: me like you're just making this up. But I think
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  Speaker 1: he's seems like that's obviously something that will be easy.
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  Speaker 1: Conferrence Mitchell good bye, remember Murray. At one point we
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  Speaker 1: were like, Terrence Mitchell looks like he's gonna be a starter.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he looked like it. I mean it was
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  Speaker 1: him and Malcolm Butler from the from the get go
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  Speaker 1: out there on the on the edges both it was
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  Speaker 1: like the first couple of days of the preseason, We're like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: should we should we be paying attention to him? All right?
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  Speaker 1: I liked him? No, maybe not, No, he got He
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  Speaker 1: got torched a couple of times in the preseason, but
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  Speaker 1: still made should get into the practice squad. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think that the Titans are hurting right now, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I could move for them, but we're onto Baltimore. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think yeah. I mean, looking back a little bit
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  Speaker 1: at the old games, I mean, Lamars is tough. He's tough. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's just an interesting combination of you know how many
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  Speaker 1: tight ends and fullbacks and you know, but the mix
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  Speaker 1: the power and the speed. It's like those are the
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  Speaker 1: two things. You just have that threat. I don't know Bateman,
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  Speaker 1: those guys the receivers not huge, um, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: I kind of liked him. He was kind of injured.
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  Speaker 1: I think he had some injuries, kind of in the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots range. Yeah, I liked I liked him a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't love him, but I did like him a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. And he I think battled some injuries. He
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  Speaker 1: looks like him and Duverney have given them some big
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  Speaker 1: play ability. I mean they both average. Uh. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's early, small sample size, but they both that Whige
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  Speaker 1: well over fifteen to can let me just kind of
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  Speaker 1: look at Bateman is Yeah, Bateman's average twenty seven in
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  Speaker 1: Dubernet sixteen. So Duberne had the kickoff return too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you know they have four touchdown I have two
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns each. So they're making big plays and that's whether
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  Speaker 1: you're getting generating their points. Yeah, okay, interesting challenge though,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how do the Patriots approach them? Maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Collins. He was in for a free agency So
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  Speaker 1: it's funny, that's the news I thought you were going
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  Speaker 1: to start. I walked in yesterday morning and I looked
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  Speaker 1: over at my right to the entrance of football and
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  Speaker 1: I thought I saw him walking in with kind of
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  Speaker 1: one of those like hair things that he likes to wear.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, it couldn't be, couldn't be, But
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  Speaker 1: it was apparently you think it was just a courtesy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, he sees me some rounds.
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  Speaker 1: I think he took another visit somewhere else. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: he's making a round, But like for us, do you
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  Speaker 1: think it's like, well, I wonder about you know, something
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  Speaker 1: I talked about yesterday. You know, the guys get banged up.
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  Speaker 1: You know McMillan, you know, was on that injury report,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he had a smaller role. I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe that those injury problems will
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  Speaker 1: find out today at four who's still on the injury report.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they're just looking to add some experience. Yeah. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, uh, you'll see a guy
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  Speaker 1: get added to the practice squad or you know, or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a lot of times it's because somebody got
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  Speaker 1: banged up and they want insurance, you know. And now
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  Speaker 1: with I mean with Mitchell signing with with Tennessee, you've
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  Speaker 1: got an open spot on the practice squad, So maybe
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  Speaker 1: that maybe that opens things up for him to get
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  Speaker 1: them back on the roster. I don't know. I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to I mean, I personally no offense that, Jimmy. I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to continue this track you're on with McMillan and
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  Speaker 1: Wilson and mixing the safeties in And the only thing
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  Speaker 1: about Collins, I do think his better days are behind
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  Speaker 1: him as well, but he can still run. He showed
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  Speaker 1: he's still a good athlete last year as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: like high Tower, especially a bit to a lesser extent.
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  Speaker 1: Van Noy, Yeah, right, yeah, I agree. Well it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: when we were that Chargers game, that was on Primetime
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  Speaker 1: Week one and they showed van Noy in the sideline.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, look to see what he does in
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  Speaker 1: this game. I never heard his name once I saw
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  Speaker 1: him out there. Oh he was out there. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: I didn't notice him a ton making a lot of plays,
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  Speaker 1: no Freddy, But I don't know. I like the first
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  Speaker 1: thing I thought about this morning when I heard Jimmy Collins, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, chasing Lamar Jackson around the field. But there's
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  Speaker 1: no way that he would. That would be hard to
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  Speaker 1: imagine that he would have a role on Sunday if
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  Speaker 1: they signed him that quickly, like having done nothing right.
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  Speaker 1: But who knows. But here's the well, yeah, last year
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  Speaker 1: when they just watching Tampa highlights over Mike Shoulder, Richard
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  Speaker 1: Sherman signed and played in the game that week if
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  Speaker 1: I remember, so you know, it's not impossible. But if
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  Speaker 1: if you told me, like of high Tower, Van Noy
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  Speaker 1: and Jamie Collins, who would be the guy that still
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  Speaker 1: wants to keep playing? Like you know, like Jamie Collins
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  Speaker 1: would be the least you know he'd be, Like I
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  Speaker 1: would figure like once he's gone, he's gone, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: but he still wants to play. Football. I get your
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  Speaker 1: point on it, you know what I mean, Like I
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  Speaker 1: mean to so bizarre with him because I can't help
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  Speaker 1: I remember distinctly having this like debate and I think
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  Speaker 1: I wrote about it of who would you pick, like
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  Speaker 1: I think probably circa twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, who would
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  Speaker 1: you pick high Tower or Collins to keep one of them?
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  Speaker 1: You know, because I think that was like one of
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  Speaker 1: the debates of them coming up. I think they came
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  Speaker 1: up the same year perhaps, um, you know, and but
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  Speaker 1: but he's been here three times now, so like, is
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  Speaker 1: there is there a universe where they just kept them
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  Speaker 1: the whole time, retained him, like he didn't keep going
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  Speaker 1: on these little so jourans to other other teams are
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and then they come back and they
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  Speaker 1: pay him, and then he goes they come back and
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  Speaker 1: pay him. I think he's mercurial, Yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think I think they're enamored with any any given day
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  Speaker 1: he has a different attitude toward the game and the
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  Speaker 1: team he's on. I think they see him as just
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  Speaker 1: an athletic freak, and that's will always be tantalizing to them.
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  Speaker 1: But my day is about to go sideways with Bill,
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  Speaker 1: we're in a red hoodie right now, which, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: can't even imagine. Well, are you triggered in a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: I'm bothering. Your database doesn't cover press conferences. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: But but we haven't seen a red hoodie since the game.
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  Speaker 1: There hasn't been a single. There hasn't been. He did
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  Speaker 1: wear one before, which uh to two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 1: and the Super Bowl, super Bowl forty two. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want it other times since then? Can you check can
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  Speaker 1: you check your notes? I don't need to check it
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  Speaker 1: on this one. It's but he had I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: had worn red I know, but this is like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, anytime I do the hoodie nonsense, people are like, well,
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  Speaker 1: just those longers. There's no red one, you know. But
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  Speaker 1: I still remember the Super forty super Bowl forty two
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  Speaker 1: he came out in this red hoodie. That was and
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  Speaker 1: now he'll like cut the sleeves off where it's like
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  Speaker 1: even beyond a short sleeve that one he had last
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  Speaker 1: week or it was like like a mid cut. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but that was the first time you saw him, were like,
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  Speaker 1: this is way too short, this doesn't look right. It
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  Speaker 1: was going on. That was like, yeah, perfect I think
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  Speaker 1: like he got torn in something and it was like
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  Speaker 1: he had a he had a hand his butt to
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  Speaker 1: Nick Folk on the way to the care holders. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know. It's just it's funny. He hasn't
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't worn red since, so I don't know. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think the message is? Then, I'm not afraid red.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody talks about Balton was not afraid when they play offs. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid either. I'm gonna wear red. I want Well,
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  Speaker 1: if he comes back tomorrow with it all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden cut off, then we'll then we'll really press the
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  Speaker 1: panic but it. But I'm sure my mentions will be
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  Speaker 1: quite I hope they haven't been stock because he moves
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  Speaker 1: the needle for the pro shop, so people see them.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta get me one of them. I think Bill
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  Speaker 1: moves the needle. I think do smoove telling you what
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  Speaker 1: Bill's wearing. My needle moves when I see man, it's
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  Speaker 1: a good turn. See those arms. I'm the color Bill's hoodie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh now I got Patriots pr checking in what's his
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  Speaker 1: results like in red? Never seen him in red before.
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  Speaker 1: That's stuff stuff sending me a text. So this is
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  Speaker 1: like Yeah, this is getting traction, right, I think it is. Well,
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  Speaker 1: last week when Bill had on the crew neck navy
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  Speaker 1: cut off, Duce could not come up to the cubes faster,
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  Speaker 1: be like, you know the last time he wore that
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  Speaker 1: last time this game. So I think, I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: creating a buzz. I'm sorry, Like he hadn't worn that
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  Speaker 1: specific piece of clothing in three years since. If this
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  Speaker 1: was a team that like wanted to have a little fun,
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  Speaker 1: like they would let us, like you know, show him
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  Speaker 1: picking out what he's gonna wear that day, Like what
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  Speaker 1: is the process? I just I want to like look
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  Speaker 1: at Bears and be like, I know you're going through
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  Speaker 1: the database being like, what is his record with this? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Just like he's hanging it up for him. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think there was a process? No? And that could be
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  Speaker 1: the funny part of it. Oh No, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: fascinated by just it's like like there's some equipment guy
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  Speaker 1: that says, I know, whatever I put in front of him,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna wear, like and so they they they are
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  Speaker 1: the ones that actually decide what he's gonna you know
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  Speaker 1: like whatever, Yeah, but continuing to out sweat. Yes, that's
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  Speaker 1: why that's I just pick here a pile, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: he just grabs one, kind of like will That's why
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  Speaker 1: I think it would be funny. Is like the video
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  Speaker 1: I think would be like, you know, me an investigator reporter,
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  Speaker 1: like how do they do it? You know? And then
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  Speaker 1: the climax is just like I don't know, they're just
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  Speaker 1: on a pilot. Like it's like there's no pilot. But
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things you could do
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  Speaker 1: with that if oh, you're allowed to well, I think, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had talked to Maury at some point
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  Speaker 1: about like you know this, and I said, maybe you
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  Speaker 1: do like a fun math. I know, stem is a
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  Speaker 1: big thing in the Hall of Fame of like maybe
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  Speaker 1: you do a little video game where you picked the
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  Speaker 1: hoodie which hoodie should bill war against this team? In
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  Speaker 1: this game we're in the super Bowl against this team.
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  Speaker 1: Should you pick ABC or D based on you know,
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, you picked the one with cut sleeves, he's
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  Speaker 1: he's winless and super Bowl was cut right, which was
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  Speaker 1: the big takeaway of the hoodie database. But that would
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  Speaker 1: be good that that's not a bad like pick the
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  Speaker 1: hoodie kind of thing. We could do that, Um, why
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  Speaker 1: don't we do that, like you choose and based on
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  Speaker 1: your database that what's the right, how good are you
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  Speaker 1: and deciding yeah, what what are you? What you're doing?
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  Speaker 1: I like it, let's do it, Let's do it. What
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  Speaker 1: is it? Absolutely not? Yeah, it's but that the one
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  Speaker 1: big takeaway, of course, from the hoodie daty base with
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  Speaker 1: every time he's had cut sleeves in the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: they've lost every time. Okay, the other times they've all
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  Speaker 1: been intact. They they've they've managed, Which is so funny
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  Speaker 1: because the cut ones are the ones he's synonymous with. Right,
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  Speaker 1: I was him for Halloween and college ones and cut
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  Speaker 1: off the hoodie. Did you have like the whole personality
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  Speaker 1: and everything the whole night, Like you were kind of
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  Speaker 1: wearing it, Like I had on like some white tall
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  Speaker 1: tube socks, new balances. There's got to be a picture somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: But you weren't sexy Bill bell check or oh no no,
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  Speaker 1: I was ragged like bonn at the top of my head.
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  Speaker 1: I had on like a journalist, like I stole something
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  Speaker 1: from the journalism department, like a headset and Paul got
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  Speaker 1: them in his office. The headsets. Yeah, yeah, I have one.
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  Speaker 1: T J dressed up as Belichick for his oral report
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  Speaker 1: biography that he had to do in school. And he
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  Speaker 1: had the sweatshirt, the head the headsets with I love
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  Speaker 1: the baby Halloween costumes where they just the babies yeahs
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  Speaker 1: like Bill or Andy Reid or something. Yeah, and the
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid's one. Every baby looks like Andy Reid without
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  Speaker 1: a mustache. Right. The Andy Reid guy in Kansas City
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  Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Do you ever see the guy who looks
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  Speaker 1: yea that goes to the game, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: looks like Andy Reid more than Andy Reid does. You
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  Speaker 1: just need to be a fat redhead and girl mustache.
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  Speaker 1: You're all say, throw some glasses on, all right, some
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  Speaker 1: of those hood shields. So Bill is rock in a
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  Speaker 1: red hoodie today. That's big news. That's that's really big news.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize we were going to get fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 1: out of that, but we did. Yeah. I wish we
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  Speaker 1: could like text a beat writer right now and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: why don't you ask him about this? Oh no, But
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  Speaker 1: if Chris Ferrera's listen, we're gonna do. We'll take your database,
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  Speaker 1: we'll dump it into an engine engine and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: people will you know, be choose and see how good
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  Speaker 1: you are. Yeah. Yeah, And there's lots of lots of
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  Speaker 1: ways you can go with it. You can design a
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  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of questions. You know, against the Jets,
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  Speaker 1: you got so much sample size on the divisional opponents,
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  Speaker 1: you know you could get, and then you break down
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  Speaker 1: the percentages of you know what what you got? Right?
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  Speaker 1: I like it? Okay? Journalism, Yeah, important important work we're
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  Speaker 1: doing here. Well, that's social media. Got a check mark,
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  Speaker 1: Alex after year, I need to ask you a question
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  Speaker 1: about journalism. Remind me of that. Okay, when did it die? No?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I don't want twenty sixteen. It's about a
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  Speaker 1: specific person, so I don't want to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: on the year. Oh okay, all right, got it? All right?
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  Speaker 1: What else? Um? I feel like there's an NFL thing
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to bring up. Um, well, I forget
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  Speaker 1: Evans suspended? Held up? That really surprising. The Bill's offensive
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  Speaker 1: lineman got suspended two for trying to throw a punch
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  Speaker 1: at a player and hitting your coach. Yeah, that was
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: like in the hallway, right, Bobby Hard Bobby Hart here, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one of the hot brothers. Actually, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: hearts and evert and there was a Bobby Hart. Was
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: it the Treiland stuff? Danny's brother Danny, not his brother
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  Speaker 1: in law, Danny Ross's brother in law. Oh I think
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  Speaker 1: I think Paul actually issue a correction. Oh I do.
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  Speaker 1: I screwed something up yesterday. Oh um. And you know
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  Speaker 1: how I hate making errors. When I was talking about
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: that Cardinals Raiders overtime game and the Cardinals guy that
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: had the scoop and score, yeah, and he threw the
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: ball right as he was getting into the end zone.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: And I said, if the officials ruled that he was
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: outside of the you know, there would have been a safety,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: would have been a touchback. That's what I said immediately.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: I said, they'd have the ball in the twenty and
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: no one. I didn't hear no one. Let me. Let
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: me apologize doubly then, because I did not hear you
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: say that. But I was corrected on Twitter, and I
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure that I, you know, acknowledged
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: my mistake. Okay, too few guys in the media do that, Alex.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I see drinking that's celsius. Is that the new thing now?
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Is it an energy drink? It's supposed to be like
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: a healthier energy drink. I'm not an energy drink person,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: but I saw these had to check them out. It's decent, Okay.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I heard them talking in on the radio yesterday that
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: someone was I'm gonna down to Celsius. Yeah. On probably
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking about it since they're not a sponsors.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Not a sponsor, but seven Essential Vitamins. It's like a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: green tea energy drink. No ask for Team Paul, oh good,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: No preservatives, no artificial crap. I don't know. I drank
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: this after a coffee and I kind of feel like
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I imagine like being on coke at work would be
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: like just like you'd get a lot done. I don't know.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just bouncing off the walls. Just all right. Getting
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: back to this game. Getting back to this game. Do
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: we have an early line? Oh? I don't. I can
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: know that, though I can check it. You mean the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: actual line. Yeah, Ravens by three, Ravens by three, so
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: it's an even it's a pick them. No, it's really
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Ravens by six. No, you get three when you're at home, correct,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: and they're still underdogs by three. Oh, so you're right.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: So there's Ravens by six. That's all that. I know
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I made a mistake yesterday, friend, but I'm not gonna
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: make a habit. So really it's Ravens by six. Yes.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I think the the question I'm kind of wondering is
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Ken the Patriots take advantage of what has in two
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: weeks been a suspect Ravens past. You know, secondary that
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: is a lot more talented on paper than how they
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: played these first couple of games. So that's trying to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: resign how you know, how can they exploit that Ken? They?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I mean? And I also think like people were like, well,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: the Ravens are gonna be mad, They're gonna be mad
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: they lost. They're I'm like, they come in here and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: play hard, they do that much difference is gonna make Yeah,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: they do. Um. But I do think that when you
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: have a game like that, you know, you want to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: make sure that, you know, you come out the next
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: week ready to go. So I do think that there
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: was an added motivation for the Ravens this week. Hardbars
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: there coach, He's got a lot of experience here. They
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: do have that reputation that nothing you know, uh threat,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: you know what you McCall, I don't know what the
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: word is, but they're not afraid when they come in here.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: But that was really more to do with Brady than
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: anything else. This isn't the team that you know, people
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: are afraid of. As a matter of fact, what I
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: was gonna do is, and maybe Paul knows this off
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the top of my head, what is the Patriots home
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: record since nineteen? So nineteen twenty twenty one? What is
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: our home record? And I'll bet you it's not that good.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I mean as it. You know, it used to be
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the Patriots don't lose at home? Yeah, from what year?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: From nineteen? The last three years, not including this year,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty and twenty one. A lot of oxygen being
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: taken up in the studio. Now, I'd like to know
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: what our home record is. Paul's gonna get all the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: way I'm looking, I'm looking up, I'm making fun of
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna get right up to the point you
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: wanted to start at and then realize that it starts
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. You're not gonna get any of the stats.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: He actually, well, this is the nineteen media guys, I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: thought this was the twenty. That's not gonna do any
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: good anyway. Oh, who's screwing up the books now, Paul,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: huh huh huh. Yeah, we need to get a new
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: media chastire accord. They're fifteen and ten at home since
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Yeah, so for the Patriots, that's not that's great.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: That's terrible. Yeah, for the for a team like the Patriots,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: that's terrible. Yeah. I mean, like Cleveland would be happy
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: with that, right, Patriots wouldn't be. You know. So it's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: probably didn't lose ten home games and between so five
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and fifteen. So and remember that includes the last year
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Brady was here, when they started out eight no, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: probably half of those were wins at home, you know.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm putting that season in there. I imagine if
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you just did last year and twenty and twenty, it'd
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: be even worse. Yeah, you know, especially like what's what's
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that inflection line? There's always like one point. Maybe it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: like post Baltimore game, that's where everybody starts the record
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: of like, well they're only five hundred and the last
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you know, well, it's halfway through the nineteen season. They
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: went five and four or four and five, I think
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: it was four and five. There they was the most
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: miserable eight, No, guy, right, right, So from that they
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: went four and five the rest of that year, then
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: they went seven and nine, then they went ten and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: seven and now one and one. So like that's where people,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of times they use that record. Yep. Um,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I mean I would just kind of separate it from
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the nineteen season and go post Brady. Yeah, But I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: just think my my overall point is that home is
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: not as big as an advantage as it used to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: be for the Patriots. Oh yeah, no fans, I mean
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I know what your point is saying, Well,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know it's a little bit different. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: What am I talking about? But still the familiarity of
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: being in your own locker room. And I mean, in
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: all seriousness, do you think if Brady was the quarterback
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty they would have gone seven and nine?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: All right? So lately wouldn't have to overthink this? Yeah.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So you know it's Ravens coming in here, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: as a three point favorite in our place. That tells
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: you everything you need to significant, I think because it's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you don't ever see the Patriots underdogs um at home
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: ever ever, and then you don't really see them underdogs
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a lot period. Now do you have the handle? I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: do not have the handle. I got that for you
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: last night, I know. I sent it to you after
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the boy Ryan Hannibal, Um, you know, happened to tweet
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that out and I saw it and I said, Fred
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: needs this information. Yeah, and that was probably comforting for
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you because all the money was on the Patriots, That's right.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: You know. I'd liked to what did the sharps know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like what the handle is? How how many people are
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: betting on the game, and then who was betting on what? Yeah? Yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: well our you know, our gambling guy, Brian, who's been
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: writing that he did pretty good this week, Brian four
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and one. He went four and one, and his in
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: his picks nice and the only one he missed was
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Stevenson having more than two catches? Any think he had one?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So it was it was pretty close. So he did,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: he did pretty good. He's what do he goes? First week?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Three and two? So pretty good picks from gambling? Right? Gambling? Right?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Good idea by me. Yeah, as they put me out
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to pastor jobs. Why don't you let our listeners know
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking here? Sure? Well, Brian Hines, who
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: has done some writing in the past for Pat's Pulpit,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and we've had him just doing a weekly you know,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: gambling highlight of what the Patriots are doing. Paul's Paul's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Brillian idea. I should I should point out he I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: don't know how brilliant that was. Well, Brian, he was
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: my idea. He came in and we talked to him
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a lot about, you know, just using more advanced stats
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and stuff to really hone in on the Patriots. I
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: think he's done a good job. I mean, just really
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: specific Patriots bet So if you're Patriots fan looking you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: for things to bet, not necessarily always on the Patriots,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: but just as far as the games go. Um, through
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: two weeks, he's had some some good picks. So those
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: will come out every Thursday, and yeah, check him out
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and then maybe maybe put some money on it. Says
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: we can't bet, we don't. We're not going to write that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: We'll let somebody who can. Right, I have a certificate
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: in my office that prus that I can't bet. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: took you can't bet that, you can write about it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I took the question that made the trips to the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: new office. You haven't framed it yet, though you can
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah, right next to your BU degree.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah that and you're gambling. I don't have my pet.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I don't have my diploma here. I got my gambling certifications.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: When you got into the Hall of Fame there, did
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: they give you a ring? Do you get like a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: hall of fame get a ring? You didn't get a
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: What do they give you? I don't It was like jacket,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: what did they give you? I don't remember? You don't remember.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: That's an honor pufflink. This is the best day of
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you're life writing, he doesn't remember. It wasn't the best
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: day in my life. Okay, the birth of your children,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: your your marriage, jos Jo Sing. Definitely get in the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: BU Hall of Fame with like Harry aganis like who
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: else is in there? Again? I mean the BU Baseball
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, not the BU Athletics Hall of Fame
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: where Harry Againnis resides, although he's probably in the Baseball
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame too, right, Um, that's right, it's a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: big difference. Well, but no ring, no ring, because I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: noticed you know Tippet he wears his he loves his
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ring. Yeah, Well, you know, why wouldn't you,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: right right? I think I got some sort of uh
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: like like a hat. Yeah, you like like paper what
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: are the like paperweight? Paper? A little little thing? What
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: are those things called paperweight? But you know what I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: talking about, Like one of those little things, that's the paperweight.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Now it's got a little thing emblem on it, like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the thing the thing that we all got for the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Not Done network. Yeah, oh those are called dumb What
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: is the what about you the name for that? Yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's the capstones. Okay, well something like that would have
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: more news, a little bit of news. No, this one
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: actually coming from IronPort sources, the writers. The Raiders are
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: trading for Patriots offensive tackle Justin Harn with the team's
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: flipping picks in twenty twenty four, getting some solid tackle depth.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So I like this, I like, I like, I'm gonna
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: go back to your theory. Yeah, when you see moves
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: that get made and you start wondering why we signed
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: on the practice squad last week, Marcus Cannon. Marcus Cannon,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So now we don't need Justin Harn is expendable, okay,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and the Raiders obviously needed some depth there because I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: gotta be honest. When I saw yesterday that we had
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: made a transaction on the practice squad involving the tight ends,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: helped me out due be left and we signed. Oh shoot,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, it's like Johnny. But when I saw
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that we had made a trans action on the practice squad,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: my first thought was they brought in Marcus Cannon, see
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: if he had anything left, and he's going yeah, And
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: then it didn't involve him, So I was like, oh, okay,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes that happened Scotty Washington, not Johnny
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Scotty Scotty another practice squad. So I wonder if maybe
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: they're comfortable that, you know, Cannon's here, spent a couple
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of days, you know, maybe a couple of days in
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the practice squad, goes through you know, handful of workouts here,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and they'd be comfortable elevating him as the as the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: third tackle, or if they're you know, happy with just
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and he'll be the third tackle and Cannon is strictly
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: insurance for you know, beyond that, yeah, I don't know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: but either way, I would say that Justin Hran had
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a really tough summer. Um I thought he struggled in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: every preseason game that he appeared in and was on
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and off the field with injuries. Not overly surprised by this,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and the fact that the Raiders are really uh, I mean,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I think a Luminore Jermaine, a luminoar I think was
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: starting at right tackle for them. So they have some
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: issues up front, all right? Confused with I want a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: brand new five five past five hundred eight? Five five
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: past five hundred is the a sticket hut line web
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: radio at Patriots dot com is the email address? Got
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of emails coming in, So why don't we
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: read some of those? Let's see Jack writes in from Annaba.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: He says during yesterday's show, the PU crew mentioned that
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: some fans and members of the media have already concluded
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that mac Jones is a failure and are calling for
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the Patriots to find another quarterback. Let's put things in perspective.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: In his rookie season last year, Mac Jones started and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: had the best season of any rookie quarterback in the league. Now,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: in his second season, Mac may not appear to have
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: improved as much as some would hope, but he is
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: leading a team with a new offensive system, new offensive coaches,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and question marks along the offensive line and at receiver. Moreover,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: opposing defensive coordinators have had an entire season to study
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the video of Mat to devise new approaches to defend him.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Back in the old days, rookies didn't start a quarterback.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Trying to think if there's anything, um,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: we all need to be patient and give Mac a
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: fair chance to develop during the next two seasons. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: am enjoying watching Mac grow along with the many promising
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: young players on this team. Well, I agree, I mean,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I agree with some you know, some patience. But his
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: last line was I'm enjoying watching Matt grow, not Mac grow.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I know you grow, but what what like? What what
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: have you most enjoyed about his couplin Like? For me,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it feels like he's kind of stagnated since you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: middle of There's a couple of things there too. First,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday. I think that you would
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: identified Joe Murray on the Morning Show was the guy
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: who said he's not sure that Mac is the answer, right,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah. I did a little bit more research
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: on this, and I can't find anybody else. I don't know.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: There was an email we got to the show this morning,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and he's like going over a holy Cross quarterback that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: we should be looking at. And I'm I'm I'm not
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: reading now, I'm not writing it. I'm not telling you
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that I haven't heard phone call. I haven't heard calls
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and I have Luca. I've heard people say I'm not
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: sure this is the guy. But I'm talking about the media.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Around here, it's been very much firmly on Max side
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: in terms of this whole offensive setup. It's not fair
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to him. They don't have enough weapons, they don't have
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a structure around him. He's being hung out to dry. Okay,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that's the vast majority of the opinion around here. The
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: second part of that is, I don't care if he
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: was the best, worst, or third of the rookie class
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: last year. Was he good and are you convinced that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: he will be even better moving forward? That's all I
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: care about. I mean, one of the guys didn't play
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: last year, another guy only played half the year, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: another guy played for urban Meyer. I mean, what did
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: he exactly accomplished by being the best of the rookie
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks last year? Right? It was a low bar for
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that year. So yeah, I want to see him wasn't
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: exactly nineteen eighty three, right, I want to see him.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: To Mike's point, show me that he took the base
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: that he got last year, which I think we all
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: agree was promising, right. I thought he had a promising
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: rookie year and then build on that. So far, we
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: haven't really seen that progress for a variety of reasons
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that aren't all his faults. I have a long commute,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: so I get to think a lot, and yesterday I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: was thinking about Max's rookie season, and then I was
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: thinking about Peyton Manning's rookie season, and Manning had a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: ton of interceptions, and I was thinking to myself, is
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it a bad thing that they kind of kept Mac
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in a box his rookie season and in other words,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: don't make mistakes, don't make mistakes, whereas Manning was like,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: we know you're good, go ahead, just figure out what
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you just just sling it. And so I'm wondering, like,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: did Mac really never have a rookie season? He was
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: never allowed to have a rookie season, you know what
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I mean in terms of just going out there and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: making mistakes and getting them out of your system and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: understanding what you can and can't do, you know, because
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: like you could say, hey, that match rookie season, by
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the numbers was better than Peyton Manning's rookie season, and
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it was right, you know, statistically it was. Statistically it was.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: But is that because the way the Colts allowed Manning
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to play, whereas we bottled up Mac you know, just
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: do this, be careful blah blah blah. Did that actually
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: stunt his growth a little bit? I don't know. I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: just I think you could make conversations I was having
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: with this. You know, I would be to fly on
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the wall of conversations among themselves. You know, I think
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you could make an argument for that. But I also
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: would would wonder to further you a point, do they
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: treat him like that? Because I think they're still treating
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: him like right they might be. Do they treat him
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: like that because they watch practice every day? Yeah, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: they know that's how they need to treat him. Yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Like if we allow him to do some of the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: things that Peyton Manning did, boy, it's it's gonna get ugly.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I don't again, Yeah, I don't know that to be
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the case. But I heard Colin Coward talk about that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you know, they ran the ball the last six and
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a half minutes because that's what they felt was best
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: for them to win the game, because they don't necessarily
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: know that the other guy can go out and do
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: what Brady did so many times in those situations and
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: throw four times for first downs. Right again, I'm not
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: telling you that's right. I'm just saying that that's another
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: point of view. By the way, there's there's still a
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: debate about whether or not in that six and a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: half minute dried they were using the zone runs or
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: just the old Patriots offense runs. We'll find out from
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Eze when he comes in after one. Yeah, Ted Johnson,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: who actually played, thinks that they did use some I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: he didn't think it was extensive. But because he's on
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: with me later, all right, we'll give me the evidence. Like,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: why do you say that? Because this guy was doing so,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I'll be curious to talk to him. I just was
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: going by the emails this morning that we had for
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: pre show. Oh, no Mike and Tony today, just Mike
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and Teddy. No, no, Tony Okay. Evidently, yeah, we'll see.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Teddy had a lot of thoughts. I'll be interested to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: see how this goes. When I get there, I've got
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of muscles. Yeah. Really, it's like it's like press.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: When he's a training camp, it's always like an obligatory
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: like looking for the gym. Ted, Well, I always go
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: with your skipped arm day today. Well he had a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: whole thing yesterday. Yeah, Tuesday morning he was on he
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: was talking about he still goes to the gym a lot. Yeah,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and he goes to this like really spartan gym up
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: in brain Tree where it's like in a garage. It's
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: like your old spartan Yeah, rusty waits and all that stuff.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Love it. You know. I still work on the chest.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You know, bench press is my favorite. You might want
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to like start thinking about like, you know, functional, I'd
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: love to see yoga Ted Johnson, like like Evalls and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not lifting anymore. I got into yoga.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I'm really sentera, like all stretched out and thin. But yeah,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: so I like that though, Fred, And I mean I think, look,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I think the emailer is is, you know, the most
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: important thing is trying to get to develop and you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to nurture him here in the second year, and I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: don't think you can talk about Mac without the elephant
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in the room of the transition on offense, and you
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: know some of the changes on the offensive line that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: were that were difficult. But you know, at the same time,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: like this is the NFL and you have got teams
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: like Buffalo in your division and you saw what Miami
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: did last week. Like, if you want to be a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: competitive team right now in the NFL, like you need
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: a plus quarterback who can make plays no matter what
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the situation is, can bring it back, you know, And
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm all for like nurturing him and giving him a
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: chance and letting him grow. But like at a certain point,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: at that time is over and you need to produce
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: on the field and you need to start making some
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: significant strides. And you know this year we need like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I want to say, a signature win, but you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you need one of those wins where you felt like, wow,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you know Mac took a real step forward. When was
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the last time you ended a game and felt like,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Macto a real step forward today to jump on that point,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's really important that they do something
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: like that. And even more like signature win is would
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: be great, Like you know they win Sunday I think
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that's a signature win. I'll take it a step further.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Can they have a signature win where he kind of
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: stands toe to toe with somebody else playing well, yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: and outscores them right, or you know they're you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: maybe playing poorly earlier in the game and build themselves
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a two school deficit and respond to it. Yeah, you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I know, I know mac Jones can get a lead
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and keep it because that's how they win games. I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: don't know that mac Jones could fall behind and rally
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: because he's never done it. Yeah, you know, I think
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: twenty five is the magic number. They've never won a
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: game allowing twenty five points. Yeah, and the games that
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: they've won with him largely feel the same. At last week,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: even though it wasn't, you know, an artistic treasure, they
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: got a lead, they kept the lead throughout the game,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and they were never trailing. Right, you know, did that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: to me? Make the stupid turnover even when you try to, right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I know they can win that game. I've seen him
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: do it eleven times now. They've won all eleven games
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: in a very similar fashion. Um, I'd like to see
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it a little bit, a little bit different, A little
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: bit different having to score at you know, maybe that
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Houston game is the one outlier where they fell behind
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and they responded. But yeah, I mean they also had
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a ton of help. That was a That was a
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: good one, Paul, because I remember I was at the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: game in Houston and I was, you know, when they
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: at the you know, lowest point of that game. I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: see myself, this is the low point of post Brady.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: And then they came back. They did that punt thing. Yeah,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and then they came back, But I was thinking, this
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: is the low point. Hopefully that was. That was the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: first time I wasn't even watching the game. He was
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: just watching me lose my mind. That was the first
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: time I had to take deuces. That was as bad
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: as it got. And then they came back. But you know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and I would say too, if you're a true Mac believer,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: then you should look at this Ravens game and say,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: let Mac eat, you know, like, go after those guys
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: if they if they if if you think that he
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: can throw it around the yard. What we've seen from
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: two weeks, this is a secondary to try to do it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like this has to be the week where
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: they establish some passing game. That's yeah. So I also
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: want to say this, like before we dump all over
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the Ravens and then in turn, if we dump all
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: over Belichick for not allowing Mac to do what Mike
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: just said. In seven quarters this year, the Ravens defense
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: has been really good. They completely self destructed in the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter in Miami. Right. They allowed twenty three points
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in the first seven quarters of the season, nine against
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the Jets, who scored thirty one the next week, right,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and fourteen through three quarters against Miami. Yea, then they
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: scored twenty eight points in the fourth quarter. So you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: have to ask yourself, is the Ravens where they exposed
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and that's what they are? Right?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess no, No, I think that's a pretty
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: good team that had a meltdown or the first seven
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: quarters of the season when they allowed twenty three points.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Ye Is that closer to what they are? Right? My
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: guess is that's closer to what they are. Yeah, Okay,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, And that's why I don't think
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in here after the game, no matter
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: what happens and be like Matt just couldn't do it
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: against a terrible secondary, Like, and that's what I want
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to avoid. I want to avoid, like, what is Patricia doing?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: How did you watch the game? Did you see what
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle did? Like, that's what I'm
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: looking to avoid, is the mat Patricia onslaught if they
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: run the ball and play conservatively right, last year they
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: played the Ravens, they won two years but two years yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: oh was it two years ago? Already? Two years? Was
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that the driving rain store? I was a moneah, Okay,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: they didn't even play him last week, So I'm last year.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: So I'm I don't want the old Cam Newton days.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going back. Man. Every time I got to go
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: back to that twenty twenty season, I'm just like, what
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: was that? What were we doing? But it was that
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: was a good game. I mean, that was their best
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: game of the year. It's unbelievable throw by Jacobe Miner unbelievable.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I was. I went back and read what I wrote
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: after the game, which was like, for the second week
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: in a row, Cam didn't make the backbreaking mistakes. Sorry
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Betty Love, Uh you know, but uh you know, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: know Jacobe Marners made the play here. She's coming after
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: your balls. I don't care, but yeah, it's uh, it's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: it's I just my conventional thinking is. And you know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: there's nothing that works one hundred percent, but I you
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: know my conventionals. Don't let him hit you with the
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: big plays, and try to keep him in the pocket,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: try to beat let him make him beat you conventionally
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: underneath with Andrews and you know those receivers underneath and
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and don't allow them the big plays. There's I mean,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: this is one of those teams that you wonder can
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: they do it in ten twelve, fourteen plays. I did
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: watch a little of the game last night. Um they
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: had the replay of this game on and they had
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: a drive that was like nineteen plays. It was the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: one that ended with the fourth down fumble on the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: goal line. Um Lamar was trying to sneak it in,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: didn't get the snap and they fumbled. But that was
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a long drive. They converted some third downs on that drive, conventional,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: not just Lamars scrambling around. I think they converted the
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: fourth down on that drive. So they did it. But
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if if your Belichick I would say,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think he can do that. Three four times
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: in the game to get to thirty and put the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: game out of reach for us if we make him, uh,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: sort of matriculate the ball, as Hank Stram would say,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: as opposed to going with the seventy five yard touchdown
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: to Rashod Bateman. Yeah, I think the Patriots defense has
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a much better chance. It's just difficult to pin down
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: because on one hand, you look at the speed that
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: they have and you want to go light and small
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and fast. But then you look at how much they
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: play multiple tight ends and fullbacks and you know that
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: then that's where they get you. It's all part of,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the design, and that's the feature of what
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: they try to do to complement Lamar and you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: kind of get you to pick and then and try
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to attack you the other way. You kind of have
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: to have a defense where you don't have to be
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: substitute heavy. Yeah, where you can keep guys on the
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: field regardless of whether it's pass or run. That's hard
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: to do in today's NFL. You know, That's why they
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: were a problem. Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean you
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: had speed from Miami. I mean, those guys are fast,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: but they didn't and yeah, and two u b lamar
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: next level. I mean, the best running quarterback until he
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't run. Yeah, you know, so just avoid the big
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: players and try to make them take underneath. That's, you know,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: my best, my best estimate of how to try to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: approach it. But even then it feels inevitable that they're
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: going to hit a couple. Do we have a number
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: for this game, Paul? Do you over under? Yeah? I
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: want to say forty four. Isn't that what I'm not sure?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Don said on Monday, I don't know for a Patriots game,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a little high. Yeah, for this Patriots team,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: you know, so I think they're thinking maybe there's some
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: points scored. Here was the over runder last week? Yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I forget where I read. I would
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: think it's less than forty four, don't you think? What
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: was it? But this week I'm seeing forty three and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: a half. Forty three and a half this week, Oh,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I can tell you what it was last week? So
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: like a twenty three twenty kind of game that would
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: be a barnburner for the page. Last week was forty
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and a half, forty and a half, Right, this is
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: what you say? Forty three and a half, so yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: three points higher, Yeah, I mean breaking two any points like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: let's go, yeah, let's please. Yeah, I think they will.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I have strange confidence this week, and I don't know
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: why I picked against the Patriots last week. I'm not
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: overly like wow, here we go. But I don't know.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm feeling positive about this game for whatever reason.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I think Matt gets a full week of practice this week. Yeah,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: no stomach bug, no packing right um. I think that
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: if you're Agalore and even Born and Myers, you're like, okay,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: we you know, we could do some things here. Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know about Parker. I don't know what's going
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: on with Parker. No, they got I think I think
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: your first game will be a little crosser to Hunt.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: The first play the game will be a little crosser
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: to Hunter Henry to get him get him gold right away.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, get him involved. That's out of the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Parcels playbook. He used to love to get that tight
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: end involved right away. You know that's always Uh. I
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think any sport, I mean, you guys
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: plays like you have a good play early on. It
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: just kind of I mean I remember playing hockey like
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I literally would have a good warm up and feel
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: like good and warm up, and then I would I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: would play well too, I mean even to go further.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you can't feed everybody though. You can't
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: give everybody a pass on the first down to your
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: hand to leave the good curve in the bullpen. Higho
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: saved those for the game. All right, five five past
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: five hundred, sticking a hutline. Let's hit the phones. We'll
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: go to Neil and work what's up Neil? Hey, guys? So, um,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: but the trade the Patriots just maker Justin or traded
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Justin Moran to Vegas? Is this an elevation from Marcus
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Cannon for the practice squad coming up? Or do you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna try to trade trade Isaiah Win as well? Yeah,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: we talked about Cannon. Um, that's I think that's on
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the table. It's a possibility. Yeah, sure, I mean that's
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: a that's a good take though, you know, like reading
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: into why they do certain things, you know, now, do
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: they think because we have can and we can move Win?
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't. I don't think so, I mean,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: what does that have to do with moving Harran? I?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Don't know. Why does that make that more likely because
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: they like, I think that's less likely. Yeah, like I'm
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: going to get rid of two tackles because I brought
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: in the thirty four year old guy coming off back surgery. Well,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but like now that they know that,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: well Cannon can play, he's gonna be okay. No that
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I think you could accurately read the te leaves for Haran. Yeah,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: if something happens to win or Brown, we feel like
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: we have two guys and could just Cannon that can
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: do what Haran could have done. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I like you said Haran wasn't great, so I mean
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it shows how desperate the Raiders are too. I agree.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I think Cannon's part of this, Neil.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know how big of a part, but I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: do think he's part of it. Neil. I think also too,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Like this is they were going to tread future considerations
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four since Horno the sixth round draft pick.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Are they're gonna do like a fifth or six or
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: going to be like a third. I thought they said
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a swapping of draft picks. Yeah, twenty twenty four picks says,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I that's what rap sheet said. I don't know if
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: there's been an update on that. You might have more info.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: One that might depend on how much he plays too.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Sometimes there's those kind of incentatives if yeah, it sounds like,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you know, you get a sixth and give them a
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: seventh or something like that, and if he plays a
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: bunch of elevates to the next level. It was kind
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of trade right there. All right, thanks for the calling, Neil,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Let's go to me meaningless. Patty's an agawam. What's up
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Patty going on? Guys? Hey, Patty? So, I just I
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: had a weird Hall of Fame questions seeing how like
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the finalist list came out yesterday and there's obviously, you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: brainers on there like Derell Reads and Joe Thomas um
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and I'd even throw James Starrison for the next two.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But why do you guys think Rodney Harrison gets no
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: love for the Pro Football Hall of Fame? Because I
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: know you say, like you know things when you see him,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and to me, when I saw that guy play, even
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: before he came to the Patriots of San Diego, he
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: looks like a Hall of Fame player. Yeah, I don't know.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing is no go ahead? Now
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: what did he not make the list this year? That's
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the list of Hall of Famers. That's not like there's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: no finalists or right, that's the list of eligible Hall
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of Famers and right he's on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Why why do you say he gets no love? I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: just asking cotton in yet. Yeah, I mean, well that's
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I can understand. But I think he's a consideration. Absolutely,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I do too, That's what That's what I was getting at. Yeah,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I got how do we know that he's like he
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: didn't get snub who to vote on these who votes
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: on these things? There's just the specific committee? Yeah there is? Yeah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I I what, I don't know. That's a good that's
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a really good point. Like we know the Hall of Fame,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Patty comes up with the actual class. You know, it's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the I think there's fifty voters. Peter King writes about
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it all the time, you know locally here Ron borgis
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I think is one of the voters. Rick Goslin, it's
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: one of the voters. Um, how do they pare down?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Is it the same committee that pairs it down from
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I think there's one hundred and twenty nine guys that
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: are eligible this year players? Yea? Do they pair it
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: down to the semi finalists and the finalists and all
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: that before they vote on do they choose? Is it
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the same committee for Do you have information on that?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. Maybe Andy Hart votes, he might.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I want him away from my DIAPEPSI. I don't like
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: him near my stuff. It's just who allowed him back
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: in here? He's actually Andy? Do you have an answer
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to that? Licking your You're such a bad person? Do
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you have any answer for that? Andy? Why don't you
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: make yourself useful? Why don't you come on a radio
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: show when people are listening? Are you just gonna loiter
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: around Matt Morrell like a creepy You're gonna actually jump
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: on the show he's doing show. That's why I told him.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Why don't you come on and show where people are? Actually?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Why is he walking around? The fans are excited? This
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: is that Andy Hart peu reunion right here? Yeah? So
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he got in here? And how
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: does the Hall of Fame pair of the players? I
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: think there was one hundred and twenty nine eligible players
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and this year's class turn your mic on. I've never
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: done radio before. How real radio? How do they pare
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: it down to you? Look like you just got up
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: from a nap? Are you tired? No? Doesn't he look tired? No? Yeah,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I think you do. I think I think maybe he's
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: just getting Oh I'm definitely getting old. Yeah, no question.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: So you got thrown out of any youth games recently? No, okay,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: good for you. So you don't have the answer with
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the second radio show to ask me about getting in
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: fights with refs in the last fifteen minutes, Noel. In fact,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: you're probably aware that some high school football now has
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: to be played on Thursday nights due to a lack
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: of officials, at least down this way. Oh, I did
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: not know that. And we had a Thursday night game
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and it was the best officiating crew we've ever had.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: They were young, they could run. So the system is working, okay,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and you that's what I do. What I do your
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: hockey refs. I went to a hockey game this past weekend.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: All I could think of was, you do have a
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: hockey game? Hockey game? I got a cousin that was
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: playing somewhere in Attleborough, New England. Sports were old or something. Yeah,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: it was like meleeis and fights and well, I mean
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: do stuffs like eight games in a day, so you
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: can imagine what it's like if you happen to get
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: like the sixth game. I think those cheer pointing Andy like,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I played college hockey, I could skate, so
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Like so much of the ref experience, I feel like
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: it's determined in the first five minutes, where you're like,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: all right, this guy's in shape, he seems like he
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: wants to be here, and he knows he's here, right.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be as opposed to some of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the rest I've worked with. The You're like, you're old,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: you're fat, you don't want to be here, you just
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: want to sit at the blue line? Are you talking
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: about personal? Shut up, Alex. It's good to have Andy back.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: So what was the questionable? Do you know what the
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: process is to get the list of Hall of Famers
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that were announced? Yes, I don't want to talk to you.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to me. You made me laugh
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: out loud. Mike goes there, how do they come about that?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: And you go there's a committee. Just look at them
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: like that's the end of the answer. That's what I'm
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: giving you, right, So you don't like you don't know either, No,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I believe the actual committee part, Yes, I believe. So
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the forty eight members or whatever that board is of eight,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: they put out the first list and then they're like
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the I think no, I think you somebody balanced, Yeah,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: some sort of before they get it down to the point,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: probably need presentation. They probably need a certain amount of
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: votes to get it. Yes, yes, But now that we
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: have Andy, you know, um, by the way, I was
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: just the reason I was waiting and hanging around is
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: because I'm not allowed to walk around without an escort.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And I texted your guy Aaron, and he's ghosting me. Okay,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: so he's out in practice. You're bringing your own escorts
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: now to practice. That's a little you want to call
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Aaron and escort. It's not really my type. But if
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you're interested, But now that we have you here his kids,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: if you have a now that you have a chance
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: to tell Patriots fans what you think about this team.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: And you know, on a state, you know place that
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: actually people are listening. How many times you're gonna go
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to the same bad joke. But it's nothing bad about
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: nothing bad. Yeah, that was so funny. It's really not
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: a joke. Funny, but the truth is sometimes painful. What's
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: what's your current status opinion of the Patriots? It has
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: not changed that they're a mediocre football team. I thought
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: they were going to be a mediocre football team. I
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: thought they'd be right around five hundred and I don't
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: know why you would change that now. I've seen some
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: good things, I've seen some bad things. We don't even
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: know your your baseline. So you thought they were mediocre?
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I had them with a nine? What did you have? Eight? Nine? Yeah? Wow,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: that's a new Fred. Wow, it's accurate Fred, as I've
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: always been since when since I left? Maybe because when
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I was here, you were never for the last twenty
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: eight years. Yeah, not the first week listen and not
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: just put it this way long gone, or the days
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: of fifteen and one tough schedule Yeah, one shoulder. He
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: said it was a tough schedule, that already picked fifteen.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: That's unbelievable, because so I do a podcast with your guy, FITZI, yeah,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: he picked nine and eight. He's your guy, except he's not.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Because when you did an interview on our show this
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: past weekend, I brought up something you said and he
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: goes out and I stopped listening to him, and I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: was like, do you treat him like I treat Paul.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I already know what he's gonna say, so I just
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: ignore it. But he picked nine and eight, You picked
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: eight and nine. Those, to me, are are interesting records
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: for people that I think generally air on the side
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: of yeah, positive positivity. I felt. I feel like, though
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much the actual Patriots performance has
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: changed my outlook, but looking at the other teams on
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: their schedule now has been like, well, I mean like
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Buffalo and those not Buffalo, definitely not, but the Raiders. Yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: but do you want to have the same experience you
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: had last year? No, because I think you could be
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: aligning first, even if those teams aren't as good and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you sneak in the back end of the playoffs. Right now,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you have to care about Buffalo in those Yeah, that
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: will see you're not You're not playing the same game.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't think they had much of a shot of
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. For Mike's reason. I now think that, well,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: are you looking over your glasses that aren't there? Because
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I think I think the Raiders, The Raiders, Cleveland, Indie. Yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: right right. Those are three teams that I thought were
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: going to be in the mix. Sincy. Do you ever
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: let her talk? Yeah, she talks Whenever he has a name,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: it's Alex. I know, I couldn't think of it at
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: that moment. I think we've met before. You actually have
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to say she didn't remember. I remember, just not her name.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I'm bad with names. Overall, your reputation precedes you. Yeah,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: that's not good. Not from these people telling it. Don't
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: trust these people for sure, you're going to say another word.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: They're not from these But in the game, in the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: last game specifically, nice are you? Are you wall in
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: on the offensive line? What did you think? Uh, because
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: we're a big line guy. Yes, And I'll tell you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: what I've been doing. I like a line play. Why
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: not foundation? You can't have fullback play without a line
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Plus that James Devlin commercial that he does very good
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: for tires commercial play that commercial teacher par shaped loser.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: So I have said I thought the offensive line should
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: be a strength of this team offensively, whatever strength is.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying the best in the league, just saying
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: something you could lean on. I called it a house
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: of cards because there's no depth and you have all
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: these guys move in different positions. I didn't think they
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: were very good in Miami, and last week I thought
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: they played to a level where okay, that maybe could
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: be something you build on moving forward. Certainly the the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: end of the game, the six and a half minute drive,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: the way they ran the football, that's good. Four minute
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: football for six and a half minutes um without a
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: full back too. I mean, but I well, they kind
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: of have an F. Did you listen to nik Klie
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: yesterday talking about the f's out there? Um so, but
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I still have depth concerns, right ye? Like, yeah, I
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: still think it's a house of cards. Best, speaking of that,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: what do you think of the Harran trade? Do you
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: think that means Marcus Cannon could be coming? It was
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: a sixth for him and a seventh is the report?
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Didn't Bill one? Didn't Bill once say like something to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the effect like just because you have a name on
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: a depth chart doesn't mean you have depth, right, Like
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I think Justin Haran had reached that status where if
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you have a guy that you don't want to a
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: guy you don't want to play is not depth just
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: because he's there and he's in a uniform and he's
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: got a number on like, you don't want to put
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: him on the field. So if somebody else wants him,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: if Josh wants him, take him and then I'll figure
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: out who else is next. But my bottom line is
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: any one of those five doesn't play, I think they
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: could have problems. No, I think I said that Andy, Thanks,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: well they did. They took win out willingly, and they
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: took Strange out willingly in the short periods. And they
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: do that almost every year in the first couple of
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: games of the year, right, because they're trying. They're trying
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: to build depth that they know is relaily known existed.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: That's correct, now, Marcus Cannon, I'm intrigued by I don't
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: know if he's healthy. But you have a guy that
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: used to be pretty good who knows your system all right,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: he's big yep. What else? I don't know what they
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: got inside? I mean this system, what is the new sest?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We haven't you guys haven't come to
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the end of that. No, No, we Tria offense. We
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: were hoping, mister football. I'm still not the system. Well,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: it's it's clearly they they kind of vascialate back and
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: forth vasily. This is vasolate, vascalate back and forth between Okay,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be the outside zone. Oh crap, that doesn't work.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Let's run some of the old stuff to get It's
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit like Paul the old Brady to Edelman
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: plays like nothing's working. Can we just throw a freaking
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: slant to eet. But I heard people say about that
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: last drive, the six thirty three drive at the end
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: of the game, Oh, they were running, you know the Shanahan.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I saw a lot of between the tackle running I
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: don't know us between the outside like, like, what made
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: you think that that was the Shanahan off? It looked
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: like just the slanting again. Everybody steps together, it's a dance,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and we all step and then were on the move. Right.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: But that's what people who watched this spot say. It
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: was happening. But if the guard blocks down, the other
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: guard pulls through, not chance, that's not channing. It just
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: it looked like so if you see a pulling guard,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: it's not channing. There was I will tell you on
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: the last couple of runs to the left tackle, there
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: was a lot of unison slanting out to the left right.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that means it's zone. I don't.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not doing it necessarily, but I'm not.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: But they were doing they were doing what they said.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: It entails. You have to get out of your block
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: in that style, you have to be on the move.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: And then the and then the running back picks is lane.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't. All I saw was ball snap
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: and running back goes to the hole. Well, in that situation,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: you're going to be I think more decisive and aggressive. Yeah,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: because the situation you're in, you're trying to run clock right.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Want any negative plays those types. I'm not convinced that,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: you know, and I could be wrong, but I don't
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: think that that last six thirty three was going to
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the zone runs. Well, they've been mixing both back and forth,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I thought all summer, all preseason. Yeah, they have, and
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I think they've done it in the past with docte
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: and with the old offense. So why is this the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Shanahan offense just based on your base run because some
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of your people, some of your people want that, like
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the analytics and shan list and that, like they try
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: to reinvent the wheel. It's still just football. You got
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: five guys that are trying to when Bill comes up
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: with a cap with a straight brim, then and that's why, like,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: like I think it was like a stat of like
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: outside runs versus you know outside don't like all right,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: so they were like three outside? So does that mean
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Shanahan offense? Off? Like? Does that? Like like I'm trying
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: to think why people are just so glomming onto it's
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: a Shanahan offense, like because I don't know how much
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: truth there really is. I also think, and I don't
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: know if you guys would agree, because of Patricia and
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Judge and the scheme and all of this, it's like
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: low hanging fruit. Anytime something happens, it's because of all
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: these decisions. Sometimes it's just bad plays. Like I watched
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: bad plays for twenty years under great coaching with great quarterbacking,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: great players. But because we have this low hanging new scheme,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Patrician doesn't know what he's doing fruit, It's like everything
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: goes back to that. No, Sometimes Trent Brown doesn't block
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: the guy you mean, or doesn't try to block the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: guy you mean. When Mac Jones throws a bomb to
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: an open Devantay Parker and throws it over the wrong shoulder.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's a fifty fifty ball because wanted him
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: to throw it. Thank you, Paul Perilla. I missed that.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Um No, I just said that, like there's a lot
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: going on for Mac. I think Mac has a lot
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: of excuses. I do, lack of talent, lack of coaching,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: new scheme. Not when that happens, right when he sees
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: DeVante Parker and throws it, and then mister accuracy, because
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: he's accurate, right, that's one of his strengths, throws it
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: and it just tails over his head towards Minca Fitzpatrick.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe that was why, but I'm just saying it wasn't
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: a fifty if that's why, if his strength is accuracy,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: and I don't think I think he had a terrible game.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I think the offense I think terrible. Strong. But he
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: did not. He did not wo it back, not great.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: He did not play well. That's what the EI in you,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Michael tell you. I blame you for all my issues,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the traumas coming out. All right, we gotta take a
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: break because Paul's we'll be right back. I don't know
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: if Andy will, but will be ready into the game.
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  Speaker 1: I watch. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the nod
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  Speaker 1: the windows close. It's the way they've done It is wrong,
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  Speaker 1: good Mike, and that's the way Patriots fans will take.
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  Speaker 1: So Fred says he likes the vitriol. Fine, you're allowed
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  Speaker 1: like the vitriol should be allowed not to like the vitriol.
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  Speaker 1: whoever wins, wins, and I couldn't care less. That's a week.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't have weak sauce. I don't necessarily have a
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  Speaker 1: from all right back here and Patriots Unfiltered. We were
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  Speaker 1: joined by Andy Harp for the break. I think the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: fans were excited about that. There's a lot of vitriol
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: in that clip there by the way. Yeah, I think
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: accused the word vitriol more times in that sentence. And
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  Speaker 1: I have my entire life watches to root against vitriol.
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  Speaker 1: That's all right, I don't want any vitriol. But Andy
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  Speaker 1: by the way. Yes, and Evan lazarres here. Hey, Evn,
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  Speaker 1: how's it going everybody? Good? Good good? Evan? Evan? All right, Evan,
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  Speaker 1: you have returned from practice. What do you got for us? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I had to pull up my my notes because this
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: was a busy day out there at Patriots practice today.
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  Speaker 1: Two players missing from the fifty three man roster. No surprise,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Justin Haran was not out there, so though Bill Belichick
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't confirm it, definitely seems like he has been traded
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: to the Raiders. And no Ray Kawon McMillan either for
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: the Patriots at practice. And I will also add just
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster that Kyle Dugger was
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: extremely limited in the opportunity that we got to see him.
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  Speaker 1: And I would also throw Jacobe Myers his name out
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  Speaker 1: there as well. He's been dealing with that knee injury
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  Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, and I would say
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  Speaker 1: that he's going to be in the very limited category
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: for the past today as well. So two guys there
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  Speaker 1: that I don't like to predict Patriots injury reports because
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  Speaker 1: you never know, but I would say that it would
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  Speaker 1: be a surprise if they participated in full. That's Ugger
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  Speaker 1: and Myers. Huh. Yeah. So, Paul, you mentioned McMillan when
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about Jamie Collins just in for a
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  Speaker 1: type of stuff. Yeah, little depth. Yeah, New seventeen two
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  Speaker 1: did there was a New seventeen. I also would mention
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  Speaker 1: that Daniel o'qually from that suspension was at practice and
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  Speaker 1: participating with a defensive lineman. So I would say that
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  Speaker 1: maybe he took justin harn spot and that was what
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  Speaker 1: triggered the Haran trade, was to make room for Daniel
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  Speaker 1: equally on the fifty three man roster. Yeah, which we
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  Speaker 1: dropped the ball. Nice. Sorry, Yeah, I'll take a lap
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  Speaker 1: for that one. Yeah, couldn't help. So what were they
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  Speaker 1: in pads today? Shells? Shells on a Wednesday? So they
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  Speaker 1: switched it up last they were shoulder pads and pay
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  Speaker 1: what So, Yeah, Tom Brady's in practice, by the way,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: if anyone cares, I was kidding. Um okay, so they're
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: in shells today. What was the mood of the team,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: don't laugh? Business as usual business. I don't think there
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: was any extra spunk, okay, not in a negative way.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that it was no chatter, no dancing,
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  Speaker 1: a typical Wednesday, get to business. I think Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 1: set the tone a little bit during his press conference.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tough task. This is not an easy game
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  Speaker 1: for the Patriots. On Sunday, Lamar Jack and Bill called
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  Speaker 1: him an MVP type player. Obviously, he's already won one
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  Speaker 1: one so far this year. So this is a legitimate
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  Speaker 1: tall task, and I think that they know it. They
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  Speaker 1: got to be focused. When you bring in a guy
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  Speaker 1: so it makes sense. Bill's right, you know, if they
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  Speaker 1: win or lose, it's because of him. Did Bill say
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  Speaker 1: anything about his red hoodie? He did not. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we gotta have what are we doing? What
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  Speaker 1: are we doing? Questions? That was you know, that caused
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  Speaker 1: a major stir when he came out with that red hoodie.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, Evan, but we talked
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  Speaker 1: about Twitter, Twitter lit up and spreadsheet or do you
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  Speaker 1: have to add another another row? Well, it doesn't show
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  Speaker 1: me no respect. He doesn't do press. Conferences are just games.
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  Speaker 1: But the pro shop and phones at the pro shop
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  Speaker 1: lit up. Everybody wants a red hoodie. Yeah. Well, with
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  Speaker 1: the return of pat Patriot in the red uniforms, we
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  Speaker 1: might be kind of heading for a head for this problem.
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  Speaker 1: So you but maybe if if we've got an old
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  Speaker 1: logo on there, that that'll kind of fix things perhaps,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: But we'll get into that later. Okay, So mood was
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  Speaker 1: business as usual or you know getting you know what
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: about media? Was there a lot of media? Was it
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  Speaker 1: a big crowd? Was it the same crowd? Was a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: big crowd? Actually, yeah, there's a lot of media. I
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  Speaker 1: think coming off the win Lamar Jackson coming to town,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: there maybe is a little bit more buzz around this
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: game than two road games to start the year against
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Mitchell Drubisky in two. It's not exactly the same as
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Lamar in a red hot Raven's offense coming here to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: play the Patriots on Sunday. So I thought it was
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: a pretty full contingent. Usually Wednesdays now that they have
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Bill and Mac Jones on Wednesdays, gets a little bit
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: more busy down here because both those guys are talking
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday and a lot of times, you know, the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: media likes to grouse. Was there a theme to the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: grousing today? Any themes that you could detect from the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: media sometimes, like food or timing. I think, you know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: maybe having Kyle Dugger out there when he clearly was
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: not okay out there. You know, he's clearly not practice,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: but they wanted it to be there so that we
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: reported that he was physically out practiced. There's a little
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: bit of rumblings about that walking off the practice field. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there you go. I like it. Well, some deaths, maybe peppers,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: maybe my boy and he came in immediately, made a
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: couple of tackles on Sundays. Do you think something soon
• 1:13:26
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• 1:13:29
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• 1:13:31
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  Speaker 1: started in the game against the Patriots. Um evan, now
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  Speaker 1: that you hear you know, I have a couple questions
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: left over from the game. And I assume that you've
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: done your all twenty two and looked at all that
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: and multiple times. Yeah, yeah, that last drive, Okay, were
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  Speaker 1: they in the Shanahan offense or were they just running
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  Speaker 1: the ball? They were just running the ball, That's what
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  Speaker 1: I thought. Thank you very much. I think the coolest
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  Speaker 1: thing about everybody agrees with you. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: we're arguing. Didn't he said he didn't know. I think
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  Speaker 1: the coolest part about that, and salth Palantonio didn't. Okay,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: so that's the one who started it. I us so
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: one of the Steelers players I'm blanking on who it
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: was said after the game in their post game locker
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  Speaker 1: room that Mac was basically running it at the line
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage and based off of the alignment of the defense,
• 1:14:38
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  Speaker 1: bigger thing that I came away from it a hole
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: was the overall plan Like that, it felt like a
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  Speaker 1: team that had a plan on Sunday on off and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know in week one, and I mean, look
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  Speaker 1: at their running game down the stretch in week one.
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• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: was no adjustments, and it felt like that drive was
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: really a stepping stone for them in the future. Where
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: they came out, they ran a couple of power plays.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: The Steelers then started loading that side of the line
• 1:15:24
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• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: prevent the power plays. And they went to that pin
• 1:15:30
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• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: game to the week side with David Andrews pulling cold
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: strange pins them inside. Andrews comes and pulls through and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: they hit those two runs back to back to run
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: out the clock, and those were sort of the adjustments
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: and Belichick actually broke it down on the bellustrator was
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: zoh this week those sequences where you have the Steelers
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: basically lining up towards the strong side of the formation
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: with significant numbers towards the tight end side of the formation.
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  Speaker 1: Expect those power gap runs downhill at that side, and
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  Speaker 1: then they check out of it. They get into this
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  Speaker 1: nobody there right its hat on a hat, and it's
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  Speaker 1: easy picking for Damian Harris. I thought he slid down
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  Speaker 1: on the first one. He probably could have scored if
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  Speaker 1: he stayed on his feet, but then he ended up game.
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  Speaker 1: That was the That was the reaction in the press box,
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  Speaker 1: like he had three more yards to get the first smart. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: at first it seemed smart and when you realize how
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: close he was, Yeah, when you realize he set up
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: an all or nothing pay not smart, Not smart at all. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I were they running the Shanahan offense, I would
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: say no. I mean, Shanahan is not a power guy,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: like you know, pull the guard through up to the
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: second level and and crease the defense. That's that's not
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. The pin pole stuff is a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more Shanahan esque. But we're really getting into this is
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: a whole thing. Chip Kelly Mark Helfrick type of world
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  Speaker 1: with pin pole. So I wouldn't even say that that's
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  Speaker 1: necessarily a Shanahan staple either. So I would say they
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: were just running the ball. Do you think it's an
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  Speaker 1: app that people are saying like this is what we've
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: been talking about, Like, is it app to call this
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: what they're doing the Shanahan offense? No. I think there's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: elements of a couple of different playbooks that you're seeing.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: I would say it's three playbooks, and all of these once,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: I say, you're gonna be like, well, duh, right. The
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: first one is the old Patriots playbook, because Josh McDaniels playbook,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: you know, Charlie Weiss's playbook. The second one, I would say,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: there are some Shanahan wrinkles in there, some more zone blocking,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: and maybe when we see more of the under center
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: play action game, we'll see a little bit more of that.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: A third playbook is Alabama. I mean they've been shotgun.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Sixty four out of seventy one of Mac Jones's dropbacks
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: have been in the shotgun. That's Alabama. Alabama ran under
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: center with Mac when he was there maybe five times,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Like you could count it on two hands. Probably the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: amount of times they were under center at Alabama. So
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the shotgun passing game and
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: this weekends the Steelers that that buzzword RPO. We saw
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of that against Pittsburgh, and that
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: to me is straight out of the Crimson Tide playbook.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: So I think there's three different playbooks at play here
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: that they're kind of melding together. But like I said,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, it felt like an offense that had
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: been orchestrated that was a little bit more together, a
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: little bit more tightened up than what we saw in
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: week one, which was a really good positive. Real quick,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I just want to defend Andy from what you said.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: He basically said exactly what Evan said about you know,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: they're not running zone. When you see guys pulling in
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: the guards moving around like that. If everybody is in
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: unison slamming down on the outside, that could be an
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: indication that you're more in the zone stuff. But when
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: there are guys like moving around pulling out leading blood,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: that's the old That's what the Patriots, that's how they
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: run the book. No I'm saying that's thank you said
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: that Andy was sort of arguing with you when yeah,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: he basically said, it's tough, said, I know you have
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: validation now, so just so just so every again, just
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: trust what you see. Yeah you should just but like
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I have faith in yourself. I'm but I'm not only
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: need someone else to tell you that what you're seeing
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: is what you saw. No, but like all these smart
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: people are telling me one thing, and I just want
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: to make sure all these smart people just so everybody
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: can get a feel of people on your shows, on
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: your shows, South Palantonio, I mean, I can't see him
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: walking around the press pot. Evan's arch nemesis, like Greg
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Barnard said, no, unequivocally, No, they're not running any They
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: didn't run any zone running. I didn't. I didn't hear him. So,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: outside zone is a ninety degree step towards the sideline, right,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: So all the offensive linemen are going to take a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: step ninety degrees with their inside foot towards the sideline.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Inside zone or outside foot, depending on who you are.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Inside zone is forty five degrees right, So you're coming
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: off the ball at a forty five degree angle. Now,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: the difficult part about inside zone is that it looks
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: a lot like duo and duo is a gap scheme
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: and inside zones zone scheme. So there are a lot
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: of rules and different things that you have to dissect
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: into play. Because the Patriots will also run duo, which
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: is double teams, right, you know you'd call it duo,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: you can call it double whatever you want to call it.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Just the guard and the tackle or the guard in
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: the center's it's gonna have two double teams and you're
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: just blowing people off the ball, right, So there's a
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: little bit of nuance there, and you know the kind
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: of gray area of which one's which, and I think
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the Patriots run both of them, so that makes it
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: even more confusing. But that's the general rule though. Yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: My my thing with this whole Shannahan to me, the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: the picture of that is the old Denver offense, you know,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: where Gibbs was that offensive line coach, and they would
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: get up out of the stance and like you said,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: they take that ninety degree step and they'd all be
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: moving to the sideline and you had the running back
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: whoever it was, going behind, and he would just pick
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: his lane, pick his lane. It's it's not complicated. It's
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: not complicated. It's easier. Yeah, yeah, it's to me, it's
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: it's very it's apparent, and you see it, you know it.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: It's apparent, and we saw it all summer, but I
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: didn't see it in this game, and people was telling
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: me it was happening, and I was like, I don't
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: think I can't. I can't account for the voices in year,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think I've heard more people explain
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: it exactly the way Evan just did right than anything else.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: You don't think people said, oh, they ran maybe like
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: one or two that they saw specifically that last draw. Yeah,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: like maybe one or two. They made eleventh straight place
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: like maybe one of them was with the back to
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: back place to end the game were technically outside zone
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: to the weak side of the formation with the pin
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: poll right, so it's technically outside zone. Was a hybrid.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I pinpole tag gets into I just want
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: to apologize to the people that were listening to the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: show that people like completely though they'd like the detail,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: the talk. You know, you can sit out I am.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: We gotta get to the bar for what it's worth.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus charted them with eighteen gap runs to
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: five zone runs in Sunday's games, so definitely gap have
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: game plan. You know, they were pulling guards, they were
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: getting off the ball. This was not nod zone, ye,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: any other impression because you know you're not on the
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: post game show. In the post game show, they do
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: the good, the bad, and the injured. What were you good?
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Give me a couple of goods and a couple of
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: bads from the game in your opinion. Sure, so I
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: broke down the offense a little bit already, so I'll
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: go to the defense side of the ball. They have
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: been in the first two games. And I know everybody's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: gonna say, it's only been two games, let's see what happens,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: but they've been almost eighty percent zone coverage in the
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: back end in the first two games. And this to me,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I was just watching the Ravens defense against the Jets
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: and the Dolphins. You turn on every single tape in
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: the NFL right now, and everybody's running the same defense
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: because everybody's so petrified of the explosive players in the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: passing game. The rules favor it. There's receivers everywhere. These
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks can make the throws, so everybody's playing too deep
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: safety shells and then they're rotating it after the snap
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: or they're staying in too high, and the Patriots are
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: doing the same thing. I mean, they're mimicking what everybody
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: else is doing. On defense, they have become and I
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: was joking with Mike earlier that if I asked them
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: about it, they tell me they still play man right,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: that they play plenty of man, and that they like
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: man to man. But they are his zone defense. They've
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: been his zone defense since maybe Week seven of last year,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: after that Cowboys game, after Ceedee Lamb walked off on them.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: They've been a zone defense ever since then. And so
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: this is a zone defense, and I think it's a
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: cool zone defense, and that different guys in this secondary
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: might not be individually Stefan Gilmour o JC Jackson or
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: at that level of talent in terms of man coverage ability,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: but they are versatile and they can spin the dial
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: on quarterback. So, for example, on Jalen Mills's interception, he's
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: playing a safety alignment. He's playing the deep half of
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: the field and cover two. As you know, he's a corner,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: but he's playing as a safety alignment. There's times where
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger or Adrian Phillips. They'll play the deep third
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: and cover three, or they'll play the flat, which is
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: typically a cornerback spot, but their safeties so they have
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: that ability on the back end to really rotate it
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: and really make it difficult for quarterbacks to have to
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: react post snap to what coverage shell they are in.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: It worked for the most part in the first two weeks.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: I think some of the things underneath the defense, they're
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: gonna have to clean up rally to the football quicker
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: and limit some of those first and ten becomes second
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: and three because they checked it down and the back
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Naji Harris picks up seven eight yards on first down.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: You got to tighten it up there. But overall, this
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: is what the league is doing. So I think some
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: fans watch it and they get annoyed by the ben
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: don't break like that's the typical way people call it.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: But this is what everybody's doing because it's just really
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: difficult to keep teams that have all these weapons, and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: we're gonna see it on Sunday with Lamar and keep
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: them at Bay week one against Miami, and you saw
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: what Miami did in Week two against the Baltimore defense.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: You have to limit explosives, and yeah, it's gonna lead
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: to eleven play drives at end and field goals, and
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be the NFL until the rules start to
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: favor defense a little bit heavier, until we go back
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: into being a little bit more even on those sides
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: of the ball. That's the only way to play defense now,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of boring because every single defense
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: in the league is playing the same defense. I had
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Mac on the down list. Would you agree or disagree? Yeah,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: there's certain things about Mac that I did like from
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: Sunday's game. I like the fact that and I wrote
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: about this after further review. I like the fact that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: he's attacking man coverage when he sees single coverage now.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I think last year a lot of the time, when
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: he sees like a tighter window, he's checking it down
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: or he's throwing the ball away and he's not really
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: testing it. Nelson Aglare's touchdown is a great example of it.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: But some of those crossing routes that he threw over
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field to Jacobe and Aglare as well,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: I think we're good examples too, where there is guys
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: that are in a step or half a step of
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: the receiver, but he's having that willingness and that trust
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: in his arm to let it go and fit the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: ball into some tighter windows against man coverage. I like
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: that he's being more aggressive in that sense, the decision making,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: the ability to see the field. I don't know what's
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: going on with that. I don't know if it's a
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: coaching thing. I don't know if it's the new system
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: and it's in his head a little bit. But he
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: has definitely missed more reads than I think we would
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: see in a game from him last year. The Jacoby
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: one in the flat, I know everybody's kind of harped
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: on that one, as well as a little Jordan Humphrey
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: play action throw. Those ones are are tough for me
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: because I think, especially on the Jacoby, that's a pick
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: play that they're trying to set up to Johnny Smith,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: and it's almost a predetermined throw, like it's kind of
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: a timing throw where they're trying to clear it out
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: and pick it and then he just is gonna hit
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: him right at the sticks and that ball. If you're
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: gonna make that happen, that ball's got to be out right,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: like you're not going to sit there and read it out. Ideally,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: if he like waits like half a beat, then maybe
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: he sees Jacoby in the flat. But that's almost a
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: predetermined throw on a third and short. So it's a
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: tough one for me. But that some of the royals
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: in some of the reads that he made I thought
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: were worrisome. The DeVante Parker make a Fitzpatrick interception, I
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: think that's one of them where you do start to
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: worry a little bit about the arm strength and the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: physical abilities of it, because that ball needs to be
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: on the line right like that ball can't sail that
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: ball if you're going to try to hit the seam
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: and cover two, you got to have some smoke on
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: the football. And he gets the pressure off the left
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: side and the ball sails on him a little bit.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: So I think that those are the two things that
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: really stood out to me was seeing the field a
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: little bit better and maybe knowing your limitations a little bit.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: With the Parker interception, I think, you know, that's probably
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: a throw that he's not ready to make yet real quick.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Did Marcus Cannon have a black jersey on today at practice?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: He did? I think that's interesting. Two for it, isn't
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: that the old practice players of the week where the
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: black jersey. Yeah, I just see a clip that the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: camera guys posted of Bill talking with Cannon, you know,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: heading out to practice, and it looks like it was
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: a black jersey. But I didn't know. Sometimes you can
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: be Yeah, I don't know if it's that or maybe
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Scout team. Yeah, I mean, it could be for the Ravens,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: it could be. It could be something like that too.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Usually I know they break out the yellow stuff for
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: those impression. I just wondering if he was, you know,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: up to speed right away and they're happy and that. Like,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I still think that the Haran thing Um at least
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: um tangently touches Marcus Cannon, like they have to be
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: confident that Cannon can be part of the mix if
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: they need depth attack. It feels like no Conna. It
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: just feels like a one for one swath to me, like,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: do you like an old Marcus Cannon a young Justin
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Horn based on but if Cannon was done? Oh yeah,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: which thirty four year guys coming off back surgery are
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: often done. I think you know, maybe Bill looks at
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: its design, he could just an r on because neither
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: one of those guys is reliable. I need them both. Yeah,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: and maybe Now he looks at it and says as well,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm gonna have two unreliable guys, Cannon
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: will be one of them. I think. I don't know,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: it's a bad sign with my My best memory of
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Justin her on the summer was him chasing down dugger
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: on the on the pick six. The dugger like whoa
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Justin Runa. But otherwise, I mean, like you said earlier,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Paul was not a great camp for him. No, you know,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: it felt like Yanni could use it outplayed him by
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: the end of camp, just the way that I had
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: seen it. I would say that. But I think the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: other shoot a potentially drop here in terms of depth.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Mike on Win, who has been their best offensive lineman
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: through two games and worse comes to worse, you know,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: as hits the fan, him going back to right tackle
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: is not necessarily out of the picture either, right, So
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: so I think that you know, if you lose a tackle,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: whether it's Wayne or it's Brown, you know, if it's
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Win then maybe or if it's Brown, excusing me, maybe
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: Win flips back to left on when who goes to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: right and then they put a guy like James Ferrings
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: in that guard or Chasing Hines in that guard. So
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Mike on when who has been lights out through two games.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Another line struggled a little bit in Miami and in
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: times of past protection against Pittsburgh as well, but he's
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: been extremely good. So my guess is is they are
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: feeling really good about if they have to kick him
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: back out to right tackle, he'd be off okay, like
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: keeping a right guard like I've been waiting to get
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: to his call his position clearly, Bill watch that too,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: because last year, like we talked about this all offseason,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: they had all of those games that Trent Brown didn't play,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: and I think when you played three at tackle, he
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: could have played eight. Yeah, you know, but I think
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: they don't love him there. I know all the numbers
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: would tell you he's a better tackle, he's a better
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: right tackle. I don't know. I don't. I don't necessarily
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: buy into him being a better tackle either. I think
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: that when you watch them play with him at tackle,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: there's some things that they did to help him out
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: at tackle, Sliding the protection, keeping the tight end of
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: the back end chip not necessarily running some of their
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: toss players or outside plays to that side and going
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: to the left where Wayne was at the time with
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit more athleticism and foot speed. I think
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: that there are certain elements to that as well at guard,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: where left side typically for the Patriots is a more
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: athletic side of the line. And I think you've seen
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: at with cold Strange over there versus with On when
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: you over there and now and when he was at
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: the power spot at that right guard spot, and he
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: looks great playing guard Laird last year he was shaky
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: at left guard, So I think that there's a lot
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: to be said about how he's playing at guard now,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: especially at that right guard spot. That I wouldn't touch
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: him if I didn't have to drilling down on that
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: guard talk right now. But I do think with the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Harran trade it's worth discussing. And those are all you know,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: and listen where we just talked about the Patriots. We
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: don't get to have a Celtics minute like Felger and
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: Matt right, you know, we're just talking about the Patriots.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: And I think the Harran move well opens the door
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: for a when you to tackle or cannon off the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: practice squad. That stuff is all in play. Williams, what's
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: going on with that? With surgery? Real quick? We will minute,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: We will give you a Celtics mind. When we drafted him,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: we knew that the knee things were going to be
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: an issue. Um, just meniscus clean up. Not worried? Are
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: you worried? Especially if they bring in LaMarcus Aldridge to
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: fill some talk about this is where for most people
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: that talk about the NBA LaMarcus Aldridge not a deep dive,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: but okay, you do you Mike? At four to two,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: he decides, I saw enough. I knew they were the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: last time played in an NBA game. It's been a
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: little it's been a minute. It's been in a minute.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: The kids basketball. But I love that doesn't sound. That's
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: so exciting. I have a sound that was like your
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: best lie, I don't okay, So not concerned about the
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: injury long term, Totally totally with you. I mean, any boy,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: it's gonna happen any um. Disappointment that he wouldn't have
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: maybe done this like three weeks earlier. That's the one
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: question I had is when the season ended, why not
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: just go and I get it, like you know, he
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: had the surgery, he came back, he was in and
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: out of the playoffs, he sucked it up for the finals.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't want like the next day to go
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: out and have surgery. You know what, can yeah a
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: lot of week? Can I get a couple of weeks off?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe you just have one like in season as well? Yeah,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: like can you know, can I go dout of the
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Bahamas or something? You know, can I just unwind? Do
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: I have to? But there still was more time. And
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: also if you got it right away, then it could
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: look like, oh did the Celtics not tell him he
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: couldn't get it? I didn't even I didn't even go
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: to that, do you know? Huh? It's such a sports
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: problem of like you got surgery too late. Like where
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: else in life would you ever criticize somebody for like
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: waiting too long to get surgery, Like it's only if
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: someone needed to come back for something, right, you know,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: like when I had surgery on my achilles, I coincided
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: it with March madness, so I could sit my ass
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: on the couch and watch every minute without having to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: get yelled at. Brilliant, brilliant chess. But but you also
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: got married in the middle of the NFL playoffs, So yeah,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: but the Patriots weren't involved in them again chess not checkers.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Two thousand two Patriots didn't. The only time Brady played
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: a full season that they didn't make the playoffs. Yeah,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: it was the year I got married. Thank you. What
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: did you know? What are the Sharks? We got engaged
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: when they were like four and five in oh one.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: Never once did we think, oh, this team's got super
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Bowl written all over it, and all of a sudden
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: they never lost again, and then we were like, oh,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have a couple of empty tables at the wedding.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: My closest thing to that was we went to a
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: tasting when we were checking out places right before the
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Denver two thousand and five playoff game, when we were
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: up in Carpenteria, which is near Santa Barbara, and I
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: made Lane leave early and miss out on the tasting
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: of all the desserts so that I could get home
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: to watch that two thousand and five which was the
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: first time they ever lost in the playoffs as well,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: so that that's one for me that's not too bad.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: And he wasn't still here because that game is famous
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: for him because he had to go to his sister
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: in law's wedding, right, so he didn't go and Brian
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: came out of retirement to do that game. He came
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: with us with Fred and I and to this day
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: and he's never seen a play of that, not even
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: they lost. There was no say, there was no reason
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: to watch. He never started like we would like have
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: shows and us. He'd be like, can't comment, didn't see it,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: that's great. Well then he just stuck with it. It
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: just refused it. Oh yeah, no, I mean obviously you
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: saw the highlights, but he never he never watched the game. Yeah, Watson, Yeah,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: that was the first time where it was like they
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: just don't got it. Today, there was two plays that
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I said, okay, this is different. Troy Brown, who never
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: made a mistake, had a ball off his face on
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: a punt on a fair catch. He mishandled a fair
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: catch and lost the ball. And then Adam at the
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: end of the game, they were down whatever two scores
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: and he had they had a chance to kick a
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: field goal to get within one and he missed it.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: You know, Adam never missed his important field goals, and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: he missed it. Not our day yet a little bit.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: So what I missed I had a we had quick
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Celtics minute, but we were talking about when you being
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: part of that harn mixed as well. You know, if
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: you need depth, you know, Evan brought up could you
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: move a when you to write tackle um and then
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: just plug in like Ferrens or even the rookie Chase
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: and Hines at at guard Um. Evan says that when
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: you has been lights out in the best lineman that
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: they've had in the two games. Oh really, now with
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: that according to you, with both both which know, that's
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: how I confirm my priors. You know, I think something,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I just check with the dark you go, you go
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: look at PFF and then PFF says the same thing,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, says Shocker. I'm going to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: set up a pay per view between Dart and two
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Friday night. They're gonna we're not gonna give you any
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: traditional camera looks to night. They're all gonna be overhead. Right.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Is there real drama here or is this just the show?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: It's just you know, when you're when you're in the
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: same niche, it's a little bit yeah right, he's yeah, yeah,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: it's a mutual respect, though it's a muture. All right,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: let's get back to the phones paths five hundred. We
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: got some people hanging on there. We'll start with Eldred
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? Hey, fella, lady, how
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: y'all doing? Yeah, but so long, I forgot what I
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: was going. Did you enjoy hearing from Andy? Yeah? Heard
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Andy ill at him, but I know he had to leave.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Small bit. But me and Andy, I will us to
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: fight a little bit. I don't on the phone. I'm
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: on the radio also too. So Deuce, you wasn't the
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: first one. You got the second between sucking and third
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: back in the day till we started agreeing on things.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: But h I was listening to y'all earlier. You know, Deuce,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: you kept saying, you look, you're waiting for Mac to
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: you don take that next step, Bride. I met. I
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: saw some of the game, and I feel like he
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: was off a lot, you know, not reading or whatever.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: I want to take those chump plays. But um, and
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: did I hear you bring up the other teams in
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: the offense, like Mammy's scoring them forties and then Raiders
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: But they lost the game. And then even the Jets
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: coming up with score. But both of those guys, like
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: I said, begin and I'm not jumping on Matt, Patricia
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: and Judd, but they got OLDC, real old C. And
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: you're like the Cowboys, not the cowboys. But uh, Buffalo,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: they got a quarterback. He used to be a quarterback first,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: but do this first year called him plays and he
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: got Buffalo running like like a table throwing the running
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: the plays. So it's old you know. It's knowing the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: offense and the onion onneion about it. So that's what
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: I keep thinking to be whole back. But I want
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: just the field in the first place. But we got Matt,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: so well, you still might getting my chans topic. It
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't never to what you said, do I said, you
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: still might get justin field. Let you see justin field.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: If we followed, if we followed this year in the
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: top five, I should be j Stroup. Okay, I can't.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Can we stop it? Stop it with picking in the area. Yeah,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: stop it all right, Okay, thanks Eldred, all right, you too?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I like I got an email before the
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: show someone you should check out this quarterback from Holy Cross.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Sluca. I'm not even gonna read it.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Come on, you know, I'm gonna go scout him in
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. But they're picking in the top five,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: top ten of the draft. Thing. Whenever I come in
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, me it might do a little debrief right
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: over at the desks and we give out our takes
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: that we've been sitting on for two days, and we
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: went through the schedule because I think our both of
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: our takeaways was Okay, they're not gonna lose to Mitch Drubisky,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: right like they We'll see about Lamar, We'll see about
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in two weeks in Green Bay. But they're
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: not gonna lose to the Mitchell Drubisky's the world. And
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: when you start to go through their schedule, especially that
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: middle stretch where they have Jared Goff and Jacobe Brissette
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: and whoever the Jets trot out there and some of
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, like they're gonna backdoor in a six or
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: seven wins, right Like, I mean, they're not going to
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: just sit there and lose to Joe Flacco or Zach
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Wilson and the Jets. They're not going to I'm not
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: ready to say that anymore. The way, I'm not telling
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: you they're gonna lose all of those games. But I
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: originally I had them all wins. I do not have
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: them all wins. Now I would say all wins, but
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: I would be pretty surprised if they get torch defensively
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: by any of those quarterbacks, as long as they stay healthy. Obviously,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: chic to me, you can't lose that game. And I
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: don't see them losing to the Jets at home. I
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: don't think you can lose that game. But the others,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's certainly intriguing with the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: point totals that some of these teams are pointing up,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: where the Patriots just can't seem to sniff thirty, much
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: less twenty. And what if Detroit, Okay, maybe they don't
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: get thirty because Bill, yeah, you know, does a good
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: job against Goff. What if they get into the high
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: twenties and as bad as True and as bad as
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: True Whisky was probably the worst quarterback they'll face this year.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: It was a three point game, you know it was
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: it was Harry like you know, like that wasn't because
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: of Truebisky? Wow? Was it? In spite of him. I mean, no,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: it's because the offense good. You know. Yeah, let's go
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: to Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean, Hey, I'm friend.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: They got two things. One, I want to see the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: offensive line play a little better in terms of cutting
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: down on penalties. To sure, they did great blocking and
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: given protection, but there were two penalties called and there
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: should have been a third one on Brown in the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: two minutes left in the first half. He definitely jumped
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: on that and they didn't call it. The other thing,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: but you're correct, the Patriots don't have the advantage at
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: home anymore. It doesn't matter if it's home or on
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: the road. Like last year they were six and oh
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: on the road until mid December. So their their record
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: at home, and it's like you said, like you thought,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: it's it's not very good like over the past two
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: years or eight and nine. So that's that's when I
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: agree with you on that for sure. Yeah, it used
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: to be Patriots had a home game, but that was
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: that's not that way any Brady. Yeah, I mean, Brady,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: I mean I was just lining up the teams too
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: that they were playing in those games, and you know,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: perhaps they were playing better teams at home than they
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: were when they were going on the road. And you know,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean, it's a whole home
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: opener against a really good team. So well that last
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: year for sure, like you know, you played Dallas in
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Tampa at home, there was a tougher games than you know,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: the games that you had on the road earlier in
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: the year against you know, the Jets in Houston. Yeah,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: thanks Sean. Let's go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian? Hey, guys,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: what are you doing today? Good? Are you landing or what? So?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Question for you guys. Have had anybody seen working out
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: or is he working out? And also what's going out
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: with pre Strong? It seems like these are two two
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: players that could add some speed and some pop to
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: our offense. But I know they're hurt and is there
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: any news on them? No, no news, no news. Her
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Strong's not hurt. Player in the game Sunday he returned
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: to kick he wasn't on the right. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: I mean we were talking about me like working those
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: guys more into the offensively, do have this noticed speed
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: that we all thought in the preseason? You have you
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: guys held any planned to try to get those guys
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: when he gets back more involved. Yeah, I think when
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Thornton's ready, you know, but that's gonna be at least
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: another month, right probably why That's what me and everyone
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: talking about that up stair weeks of three weeks he's got,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: he's got to be on IR for two more games,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: and then when when he got hurt, they were optimistic
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: that he maybe could come back after the fourth game
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: after sitting out Green Bay, and come back for Week five.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: We'll see, though, the Patriots, especially with younger players rookies,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll push it for him to
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: be back out there right away, but I think I'm
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: cautiously excited about the way they use Nelson Aglo in
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: that game with I posted his route char a lot
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: of crossers, vertical routes, letting him have opportunities to use
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: his speed. And the next step to that, I think
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: is when Taekwon comes back. Now you have Taikwon and
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Nelson Aglore out there at the same time, and hopefully
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: that can actually bring some real vertical and horizontal stretch
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: to your your offense, which they really haven't had since
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe seventeen with Brandon Cooks like it's
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: been a long time since they've had that, so intrigued
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: by what they did with Aglare and hopefully that next
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: step will be pairing him with Tae Kwon. And you
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: look at their first down package with with LJ and
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: DeVante Parker and a tight end out there, it's still
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: really slow. So if we can get some speed on
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: the field with Taekwon coming back, I'll be excited about
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: how do you who do you pull snaps from? Though,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like when he comes back, I mean, feelings
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: are going to get hurt somebody client, Like it's probably
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: not gonna be him, realistically, like it's unfortunately going to
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: be probably Kendrick and it should be Parker though right
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: like as of right now, and when Taekwon comes back
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: to me, if he's not one hundred and ten percent
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: and you don't want to push it with the shoulder,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: I would just be okay with him running windsprints outside,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Like just put him on the field and let him
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: stretch the defense and run through coverage because DeVante Parker
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: is not doing it, like he's not putting any fear
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: into anybody, but even just Taekwon going out there and
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: running four two by people. Maybe that would at least
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: give them some stretch and then you can open up
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: things from there. So yeah, I would. I would love
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: to see Tai Kwon immediately involved. I don't know if
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: he will be it. Come goes back to Nikkil Harry
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen when he was on IR to start
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: the season. They bring him back, and I think it
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: took a game or two before they even had him
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: out there at any type of role. So I do
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: the New York thing and say that is there a
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: budding issue in that wide receiver room? Like if Parker
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: continues to play and Borne continues to not get any attention.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: Clearly the quarterback loves Born. Every time he goes in
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: the game, he throws it to him. Yeah right, I
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: mean he's played twenty six snaps and been targeted five times. Yeah,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: something like that. You know, it's only a game more
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: complicated from this point too. You know, Parker plays every
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: snap and he's been targeted four times. You know, I'm like,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: but it's like, you got to defer to Mac. I
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: feel like, like, you know, if Max throwing it to
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: a MA likes this guy, this is my point to
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: him you know, I don't know New York. This would
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: be huge. Yeah, like like your boy the Urine Stream
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: would be tossing bombs and the Wide used to have
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: his his blog was the jet Stream and Fred used
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: to call it the year. We're very mean Here on
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: Neil and New Brunswick. After watching the Patriots and then
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: watching the Bills and Eagles games Monday, I wanted to
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: send a real negative email, but we won and we
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: should enjoy the win. Here is what I where I
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: see this team is stuck. I think the issue I
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: see is in today's NFL, you can compete if you
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: have an elite quarterback and good weapons. You can also
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: compete if you have a good quarterback in elite weapons.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: These are general examples. Don't tear them to shreds. The
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Patriots right now are stuck in good and good. Nothing
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: on our team is terrible, but nothing is elite. Something
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: has to change or we're forever stuck in eight nine
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: and eight territory. My problem is I don't trust our
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: GM to go get elite weapons. And he seems to
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: like Mac holding out hope for Thornton. Yeah, I mean
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's I don't argue with that, you know, Yeah,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: I mean I think it's do hold out hope for
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Thornton because I think we all anybody who watched practice
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: this summer was intrigued by him and how quickly he
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: seemed to be picking it up, and you know, just
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: the speed translated. He just no matter what Drillly was doing,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: he looks quick. You know, I was. I was more
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: impressed with his hands. I thought he showed really good
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: hands and good good yeah, good strong hands you know,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: to make not just easy catches, but you know, like
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: Evan said, like snayering the ball, tracking it over his
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: shoulder effectively. UM. As an example, the Parker bomb the
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: other day was over the wrong shoulder. Now, I'm not
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: suggesting that Parker should have caught that ball, because he shouldn't.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: It was way off, but I saw it and make
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: catches on balls like that in training camp not quite
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: that far off. But to Evan's point, tracking the ball
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: effectively over the wrong shoulder is not easy, and he
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: did that several times in camp, especially with the helmet on.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: That was just my impress'd you put the helmet on,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: the helmet on him, like screw, this deuce is in
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: a bad place. When the helmet goes on. Evan, I
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: don't know what we can we relax about Buffalo. Please,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: it's been two games, but we've all it's actually been
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: three years. But it hasn't been three years. It's been
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: two games. And on top of it being just two games,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: you know how many times I've we have seen, especially offense,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: come out in September and look unstoppable. Andy Reid is
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: like notorious for this. Usually when that happens, the teams
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: are perfect. I don't even think they've played well yet.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: I think they'll leaven all kinds of points on the field.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: I just think that let's let's pump the brakes on
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: the seven Patriots comps for sure, the brakes and see it.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's been three years since you've even
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: gotten a new way. I'm not setting the Patriots are close.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the Bills aren't a super Bowl
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: favorite right now. I'm just saying the seventeen and no
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: talk the seven Patriot talk like, let's let's relax. They
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: look pretty good. I don't think, I don't think. I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: don't think the goal was the seventeen the two thousand
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: and seven Patriots, let's just put it that way. I
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: don't think they want to do that. Well, they want
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: to win a super and they are I mean they
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: right now that there you know, it's them in Kansas
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: City in the end, if they wanted to be the
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: seven Patriots, Josh Allen would have played the fourth quarter
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: the other night and they would have put sixty on
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: the board. They don't have any interest in setting records
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: and talk to me and being shining. No, it's it's fair.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: But like you have to admit, right now, they look
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: pretty damn they look fantastic and they've been red hot
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: basically since well, since the Wind game, since yeah, since
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: the Win game, since the Isaiah McKenzie game, they've been unbelievable.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen's been unbelievable as well. I think that you know,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: the emailer mentioned the situation there with Dorsey. Basically it's
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: the same offense, right' it's it might as well be
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Brian because that's the huge advantage, right. So, the way
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: that they transitioned was so smooth because of the fact
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: that they didn't change anything. Basically, it's the same thing
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: that Brady got the luxury of, even though he had
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: multiple offensive coordinators, he only had one system that's right, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: And they just have a team of the look of
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: a team where everybody knows what they're doing and they're
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: all buying in and no matter it feels like, no
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: matter who they're gonna slip in there, they're gonna I'm
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: not telling you they're gonna win anything, because injuries can
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: change all of that stuff. And the way that Josh
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Allen plays leaves him open to an injury. There's no
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: question about it if they stay relatively healthy, because they
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: already have a bunch of guys that are good that
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: haven't played. Davis White hasn't played yet, Gabe Davis missed
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: the game the other night. They're already missing players. Another
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: cornerback who um is that? Dane Jackson looks like the
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: avoided major injury with that was really scary. Um got
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: hit with his own guy, Edmonds. You lose four or
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: five guys and that's gonna hurt you. But with that team,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: they have the depth to overcome that. They don't have
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: the depth to overcome if it's Josh Allen, they would
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: be significantly hindered. If it's Steph Diggs that you know
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: He's the I think, the driving force behind everything else
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: that happens due so like every I mean, like Tavan's point,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: you got a couple of injuries in the middle of
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: the year, and all of a sudden you stagnate, you
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: lose a couple of games, and you know, and the
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: outlook changes. But if they're healthy, they're the best team
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: in the league. They had the best roster, the best
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: rosy and their defense. I did not believe at all
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: in last year. I know what they finished. They finished
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: ranked one. I think they were a bad deep not
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: only I don't think they were a great defense. I
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: don't even think they were good, especially after White got hurt.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: They're different now with Von von Miller makes them a
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: different team up front. They rotate all those defensive linemen.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: I thought Ed Oliver was great in the first game.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: Another guy who got hurt didn't play the other night.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: No difference. Um Derrick Henry kills that team, kills that
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: team the other night. They they had all kinds of
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: guys around him. But again, Pointer and Hyde, very important guys.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: They lose, they lose one of those guys obviously, Josh
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: Allen Diggs. Yeah, you're looking at a different story, even
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: Matt Milano, I think is really important. Joe writes in
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think y'all mentioned how Lil Jordan played more
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: and had a play that Mac didn't see him. What
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on him anymore? Does this push Born
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: back further as a receiver? No specials, they ran the book.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: He's more of a blogger. He's kind of the Nikkeil
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: Harry he got. He got twelve of his snaps in
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: the last twelve plays of the game, and that sort
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: of pushed him ahead of yeah, the other guys, But no,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's ahead of Born in the passing game.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: That's one time where it really feels like game plan specific.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: Like sometimes when they say game plan that guy doesn't play,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: You're like, it's one of the things, like you can't
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: just do one thing the way they try to do.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: You know that that's a hard way to score, and
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: they haven't scored in two games. I liked the little
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Jordan wrinkle though. I thought that was smart because when
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: they had Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith on the field
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: together against Miami, the numbers were terrible in twelve personnel
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: and they were actually pretty bad in twelve personnel last
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: year too. It really hasn't been a super productive personnel
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: grouping for them, and Little Jordan maybe a little bit
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: more athletic, a little bit faster to the spot. Had
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: eighteen yard Harris run on the last drive? Like does
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry make that block? Does he? Does he get
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: there and seal Edmonds inside? I don't know little Jordan does.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: So you feel Little Jordan's like a plus blocker, Yeah, definitely. Yeah,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: at least I'm from what he's shown us some tight
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: end in the summer. Yeah. Bill Belichick called him a
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: tight end, tight end ish I did on the broadcast
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: first Justin and Buffalo. Speaking of Buffalo, he says, big fan,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: love the work. Um stumbled on the show about a
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: year and a half ago. Hasn't missed it. Since I'm younger,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: I've never been able to attend a Page's game, uh,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: due to them being far away, and I don't want
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: to go to the Buffalo environment. But he's got tickets
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: to the Cleveland game in week six, so good for you.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: My topic is, you don't want to go to the
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: Buffalo environment, but you're choosing Cleveland's. How much do you
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: guys look how much do you guys love the newer
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: offense without Josh McDaniels. Do you think that it has
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: ever has a chance to look in or perform better
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: than are equal to the Josh McDaniels system with this
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: current group of guys when he was here in New England,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: I don't I know the answer to that. I love it,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: you know love, I love it. I though, I thought
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: me when me and Never were talking upstairs, he had
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: an interesting point of like, I just score points. I
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: don't give a crap. What the least come scheme is?
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: Just come close to score points. But I thought Evan
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: had an interesting comment upstairs, which I'll let him expound upon.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: But he said, right now, it feels like an offense
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: designed by defensive guys. It's a great line. Why you
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: had these lines? Why don't have to hear about pin
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: and pull? I don't want to hear about pin and
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: pull for twenty minutes like that? I could talk pin
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: pull for two hours twenty minutes. That's a that's a
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: great one. It's like the least analytical thing he's ever said,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: so groundbreaking. So now I'm going to talk about it
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: for forty five one minute. They got five. I think
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing is is that you look at them
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: reverse engineering certain things right where it's like, Okay, we
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: know we're playing Brian Flores, right, we know he's gonna
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: play man coverage against us, So we're gonna empty the
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: bag of all the man coverage beaters that we have
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: in our arsenal. We're gonna run levels, we're gonna run dagger,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: we're gonna run crossers, we're gonna run verticals, and one
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: of them might work, and we're gonna make you, guys,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: We're gonna tack outside leverage all day long. Right, the
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: corners is gonna sit outside leverage and cover one. We're
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: gonna run in breaking routes and it worked better than
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: one time. And this is we're gonna make Jacobe Myers
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: ripped the ball away from the defensive back. Yes that
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: it happens sometimes and were but we're gonna have the
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: man beaters dialed up. I also would say that their
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: run game script has worked two weeks in a row,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: although it faded against Miami, the plan that has worked,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: and I think that that comes down to Matt Patricia
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: understanding techniques, fits and all that stuff by the defense
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: and what their rules and how to expose them are.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: But the problem is is that the Patriots black creativity
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: because they don't really have an offensive minded coach in
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: that huddle to really get the juices for the other
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: team says, Okay, this is what they're doing. Let's see
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: if we can do something to mitigate that. We don't
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: have a response. Right, they don't have a response, and
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: they're dead last in play action, they're dead last in motion.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: They're are not a creative offense right now, They're a
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: stagnant offense. But but they are really good at understanding
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: this is what the coverage is, and if we put
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: a receiver here and we put a receiver there, we're
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: gonna flood the zone and we're gonna have an open guy. Like,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: they understand the rules and how to reverse engineer the
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: game plan, but they are missing that creative juice. They're
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: missing that to give themselves an early advantage or you know,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: to to use some disguise to put their guys in
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: better position even if they believe in what the play is,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: trying to make it easier on them, that kind of thing. Yeah,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: and you look at you know, I harp a lot
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: on motion at the snap right jet motion or a
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: bit whatever it is, and people say, oh, well, why
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: is it so important? So the top five teams in
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: the league right now in motion at the snap are
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: the top five offenses in the league pretty much, right.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, they have one coming in on Sunday with
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: Baltimore that's second in the league in motion at the snap.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: Miami's number one. They just put up forty points in
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: a game against the Ravens. Right, Chiefs are always up there,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: The Niners are always up there. Like some of the
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: more well architected offenses in the league use motion now
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: when you're changing coaching staffs and you're changing playbooks a
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: little bit, maybe all that bells and whistles is like
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: graduate level and they're just like not there yet. But
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are the most stagnant offense in the NFL
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: right now, and basically what it's making players do is
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: win one on ones all the time, Like you're getting
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: no help from the scheme whatsoever, and you just have
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: to win beat the guy in front of you every
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: single gid is why do you think that they've been
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: reluctant to use like motion seems like a pretty elementary
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: it wasn't something that they necessarily majored in with Bick Daniels. Either,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: they shift right so before the ball is snapped, they'll
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: bring Jacoby for I'm here over there, and then he settles.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, right,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just explaining it to the listeners. I know you,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, but motion, like it doesn't seem like, well,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: we got to walk before we can run, Like, that's
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: not like motion. Isle's like, I mean, you watch any
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: Pop Warnery game, you'll see motion. Yeah, you got that
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: in the Fenwick playbook. Probably lots will Perula goes in
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: motion quite often. He never gets the ball, but he
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: goes in motion a lot. It's more of a decal
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: and the numbers bear it out that teams that use
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: motion and teams that use play action are at a
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: huge advantage. Like they may make more yards than everybody else, right,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's really producing. But it's an element. But yeah,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know Kansas City does a lot of that.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: And what is that just because they're better offenses too,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: you know, like they're better designed. Are we looking at
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: the wrong reason? Or they're good because they have motion? No,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: they're good and they use motion, you know, But but
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: are they good because they're confusing you with the quote
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: unquote I candy that everybody talks about. All yeah, they're
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: getting you to focus on something you shouldn't be focusing. Yeah,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me play with you this way.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: When Andy Reid, Sean McVeagh, and Kyle Shanahan all believe
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: in motion, who are probably the three best offensive coaches
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: in football, and their teams are consistently at the top
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: of the league in motion, that tells you that it
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: might be a good thing. A lot of times, like
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, how does he get wide open on a play?
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, you know, he's got to
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: be the focal point of everything you do. Well, maybe
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember the play in the opening week
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: against against Miami when he comes across in motion, ran
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: off Jonathan Jones like nothing, you know, twenty five yards?
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: But does that does that have anything to do with motion? Well,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of times motion is not necessarily confused. Just
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: it's for the quarterback to see what coverage are they in.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: That's that's the reaction to our motion. That is another thing.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: But I've actually heard a lot of people say that
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: that's not as elementary as people make it out. Yeah, Like,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: if you follow the guy in motion, you're in man.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: A lot of times defenses will the Patriots love to
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: do that. Right on defense, you get followed, but it's
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: their corners and their dbs are taught to play every
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: single spot in the coverage, so if it comes in motion,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: they get quarterbacks with that all They got a Baker.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger picked off Baker last year in that Cleveland game,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: and it got exact same thing. Guy came in motion,
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: guy followed him and ended up being zoned and he
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: throws it right into the zone. So I think that
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: the you look at just again, all of these great
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: offenses around the league, and I think that Tyree Hill
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: plays such a great example because they from one side
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: of the formation, they missed, emotion them all the way across,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: and then send them out the other side of the formation.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: This is Tyree Hill against man coverage. Jonathan Jones like
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: good luck? Like who is Like who is you know,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: without question, the focal point of the defensive game point. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like I know Bill Belichick. I've watched him for twenty
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  Speaker 1: plus two years. I know who we went into that
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  Speaker 1: game right to stop and he still got a hundred yards.
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  Speaker 1: And it's difficult too when you have the motion, especially
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  Speaker 1: at the snap, if you have like a double or
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  Speaker 1: bracket call or something like that. On now, all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, it changes everything, right, and in a split second,
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  Speaker 1: you might have to change where the help is or
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  Speaker 1: where the leverage is for the corner, and it could
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  Speaker 1: change your entire structure. So that those are the types
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  Speaker 1: of things that it really threatens. And I keep I'll
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  Speaker 1: keep harping on it. I mean, I just they need
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  Speaker 1: to have more bells and whistles in this offense. Otherwise
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  Speaker 1: we're going to score seventeen points every week. All right,
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