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7-28-26 Hour 3 - College football around the corner/Brian Windhorst/Reacting to Windhorst interview · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardy and Kine on demand.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, college football is not that far away, about three
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  Speaker 3: weeks for that week zero games to start up. You
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  Speaker 3: want an early lay it down, Mosh.
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  Speaker 1: Time to rule the Mac? Sax State going all the
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  Speaker 1: way in the MAC.
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  Speaker 3: Baby, you didn't know sax State was in the MAC
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  Speaker 3: until last.
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  Speaker 1: Week exactly right, embrassment. Would you like an early lay
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  Speaker 1: it down?
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  Speaker 4: Though?
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  Speaker 3: I can give you one if you'd like, You can
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  Speaker 3: use this.
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  Speaker 5: Hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 1: If we're gonna do what we gotta do.
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  Speaker 3: It, No, we don't need all the lead up to it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I got I got a tip for you.
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  Speaker 3: I got a hot tip. Would you like me hot tip?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: But we're gonna do it, Nelly hit it. Let's do
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  Speaker 5: it right if we're gonna do it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Why why do you lick your fingers before you start
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  Speaker 3: playing the drums?
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  Speaker 1: Habit? Yeah, I've seen where those fingers have been today.
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  Speaker 1: All right, here's your early tip.
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  Speaker 3: There's an early betting line for Georgia as they open
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  Speaker 3: up their season, and you might think yourself, Well, Georgia
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  Speaker 3: opening up the year. Is it against a good team?
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  Speaker 3: Is it against a so so team? Is it one of.
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  Speaker 1: These gimme games? What is it? Well, let me tell you.
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  Speaker 3: The George Bulldogs or a perennial championship contenders, open up
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  Speaker 3: their season September fifth against Tennessee State. In that game
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  Speaker 3: against Tennessee State, the early line has it at forty
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  Speaker 3: eight and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Take the take, take the over. What's so easy about that?
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's easy. Here's your hot tip.
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  Speaker 1: You ready?
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  Speaker 3: Kirby Smart does not care about your point spreads.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he doesn't. He's proven that not.
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  Speaker 3: The way you think Georgia is fifteen and one versus
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  Speaker 3: spreads of thirty eight points or more. Oh really, they
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  Speaker 3: have failed to cover during Kirby Smart's tenure when favored
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  Speaker 3: by more than thirty seven points.
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  Speaker 1: You're kidding. That clows me away. He plays his third stringers,
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  Speaker 1: remember that one.
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  Speaker 5: See that's so you're taking Tennessee State plus forty eight
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  Speaker 5: and a half.
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  Speaker 3: So just an early little taste, jilly, little more cast
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  Speaker 3: so little nibble.
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  Speaker 1: You know that?
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  Speaker 5: For you, it's that's completely opposite. Do you call vic
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  Speaker 5: what Steve Spurry or at Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Used to do. He would run it, obliterate you.
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  Speaker 5: He would say, all right, boys, we're up by forty
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  Speaker 5: five here in the third quarter, let's go over the top.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he would. That guy had zero regard for
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  Speaker 1: man nor beast when it came to running up scores.
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  Speaker 1: See if I can get an answer on this.
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  Speaker 3: I want to see the most ruthless coaches in college football.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't find it right now.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Spurrier was notorious for Jimmy Johnson didn't care.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't care about.
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  Speaker 6: Your team, didn't care about your ethics, feelings, didn't care
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  Speaker 6: one bit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you guys a question. So last year
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  Speaker 3: in college football, you had the Georgia Tech Bulldogs, who
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  Speaker 3: at the time, especially at the beginning of the year,
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  Speaker 3: they looked like a really solid football team.
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  Speaker 1: Year goes on.
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  Speaker 3: They finished nine to four, there were six two in
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  Speaker 3: conference play. They were very good. That's who the CU
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  Speaker 3: Buffs opened up the season against, if you remember, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and it was a hard game to judge because you're, like,
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  Speaker 3: Georgia Tech is an At that time, we thought they
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  Speaker 3: were an okay, you know, middle of.
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  Speaker 5: The road Haines King.
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  Speaker 1: Haines King, and he's a hell of a dual threat.
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  Speaker 6: If the Buffs had any semblance of offense in that game,
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  Speaker 6: they would have won. They would have won, correct, and
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  Speaker 6: they had a chance to take control of that game.
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  Speaker 6: Remember all the turnovers that Georgia Tech had early and
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  Speaker 6: the Buffs just could not take advantage of them.
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  Speaker 3: They played Georgia Tech to open up the year again,
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  Speaker 3: this time in Georgia Tech. It's going to be on
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  Speaker 3: a Thursday at six o'clock on ESPN. How much do
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  Speaker 3: you put into your hopes of a bounce back CU
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  Speaker 3: season in that opening game?
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  Speaker 6: What would you define as a bounce back season? Bawl
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  Speaker 6: eligibility at a minimum?
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  Speaker 1: I agree, make a bowl game.
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  Speaker 3: It's a seven point spread in favor of Georgia Tech.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, make.
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  Speaker 1: A bowl game seven wins, six to seven wins. Yeah, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you it has to be if they don't
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  Speaker 3: make if they don't get at minimum, and I think
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  Speaker 3: this is being pretty conservative here in year four. If
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  Speaker 3: you don't at least get to a bowl game, what's
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  Speaker 3: the goal? What are we trying to do? What are
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  Speaker 3: we trying to be? Dion wasn't hired to make see
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  Speaker 3: you middle of the road six and six every year.
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  Speaker 3: He was hired to be a contender, especially in the
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  Speaker 3: Big twelve couns.
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  Speaker 6: I'm anxious to watch this new offense, new offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know who plays for the team, because there
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  Speaker 6: have been so many times.
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  Speaker 1: There is college football.
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  Speaker 5: I was just gonna give you credit because you keep
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  Speaker 5: repeating it. It's finally sunk into me. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what you're going to get because I
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  Speaker 5: don't know who these guys really are.
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  Speaker 1: No, nobody knows.
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  Speaker 5: They're supposed to be a big influx of talent, most
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  Speaker 5: coming to play for coach Prime, but it's not really
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  Speaker 5: showing up on the field.
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  Speaker 1: But this is college football.
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  Speaker 6: There isn't a college football fan out there unless you're
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  Speaker 6: like really really into it, into the weeds and you're
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  Speaker 6: reading depth charts and you're reading There are people.
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  Speaker 1: That are like that.
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  Speaker 6: But the bulk of college football fans for their respective teams,
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  Speaker 6: they don't know who plays for them anymore. I think
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  Speaker 6: I told you this, which team have the highest retention
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  Speaker 6: rate going into the season?
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't that was that?
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  Speaker 6: It was at Notre Dame Notre Dame was highest retention
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  Speaker 6: rate of it and that was only like sixty two, close.
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  Speaker 1: To seventy percent. It's players contained.
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  Speaker 6: So they're taking on a Wisconsin team that completely gutted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, and you're talking to you.
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  Speaker 5: This is a big bread this is a Big ten
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  Speaker 5: team out of Madison, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, running back, you don't know who they play, don't
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  Speaker 6: know who plays from them.
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  Speaker 1: You know who they are and their roster. There are
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  Speaker 1: roster retentions like twenty percent. It's insane.
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  Speaker 3: There is a distinct advantage I think in this era
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  Speaker 3: of college football that I think. So you actually does
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  Speaker 3: possess though, which is a quarterback come back for another year.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's important.
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  Speaker 3: Having a guy in the same system, not the system
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  Speaker 3: is different, but being in the same environment.
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  Speaker 5: He's only as we speak right now, though. Juju lewis
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  Speaker 5: as we talk on July twenty now, a freshman. He's
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  Speaker 5: only eighteen years old. Yeah, so he won't be nineteen
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  Speaker 5: until you get into the season.
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  Speaker 3: Here's their season. I'll just run through it real quick.
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  Speaker 3: Georgia Tech to open up the year. Then it's is
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  Speaker 3: it should we this was Weber Weber State. If you
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  Speaker 3: say Weber, dude, I was going to kick your I
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  Speaker 3: was about to. I was about to Ron Bergeny myself, Northwestern, Baylor,
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  Speaker 3: Texas Tech, Utah, Oakie State, Kansas State, Arizona State, Houston, Cincinnati, UCF.
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  Speaker 1: That's their schedule.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think the over under win total is
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  Speaker 3: for the cu Buffs according to most odds making?
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  Speaker 1: What do they have him met? You said four four
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  Speaker 1: and a half four and a half, okay, a half.
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  Speaker 1: That was a guest.
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  Speaker 6: A successful season will be six six wins minimum. That's
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  Speaker 6: a successful season has to be. I mean, if you've
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  Speaker 6: got to get to say, if you if your expectations
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  Speaker 6: are that.
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing exactly right? Exactly right? Help me
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  Speaker 1: out with this? Well, if we're in what are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: And here's a help me out with I'm gonna hang
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  Speaker 3: hang e motion because I'm I'm gonna say something. And
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  Speaker 3: I said this in the middle of Lincoln, Nebraska, where
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  Speaker 3: they love their Huskers and they especially love their Husker legends.
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  Speaker 3: Scott Frost came over successful run at UCF. We're going
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  Speaker 3: in like year three and I was doing this exact
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  Speaker 3: same thing. And here's the question I would ask, if
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  Speaker 3: they don't get the bulll eligibility or if that's not
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  Speaker 3: your expectation at a minimum for Dion, If I changed
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  Speaker 3: the name Dion Sanders as head coach and I made
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  Speaker 3: it Joe Johnson and your expectations change based on that,
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  Speaker 3: there's a problem. You can't make excuses because you liked
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  Speaker 3: the name of.
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  Speaker 1: The head coach.
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  Speaker 3: That's what was happening when I was in Lincoln during
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  Speaker 3: that awful run with Scott Frost. And if you don't
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  Speaker 3: have a minimum expectation of a bowl game here, then
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  Speaker 3: you're doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: If you accept mediocrity, that's on you.
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  Speaker 6: That's on you. Because one thing that's been proven in
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  Speaker 6: today's college football, you can get better in a hurry,
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  Speaker 6: in a hurry immediately exactly right. It's happening everywhere, And
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  Speaker 6: you can get really bad in a hurry in a hurry.
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  Speaker 3: But you need but you need to have to get
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  Speaker 3: better years to make up for.
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  Speaker 1: The we're bad years.
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  Speaker 5: So on ESPN, when you look at a team's schedule,
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  Speaker 5: it'll give it the opponent, the time, what network it's on,
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  Speaker 5: and so on. Then it has the tickets thing on
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  Speaker 5: the side. There's a well, you know, one of these
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  Speaker 5: ticket Companies has bought these games, right, and they bought
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  Speaker 5: the the grid.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I know what you're talking about much. That's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: September nineteenth at Northwestern. Now they have the brand new joint. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that why Chip Kelly was wearing all the gear?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: They got a break brand new stadium. So dig this
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  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech tickets as low as one hundred and one
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  Speaker 1: dollars versus Weber State tickets as low as forty three dollars.
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  Speaker 1: At Northwestern tickets as low as five hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 1: seven dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Five hundred and seventy seven dollars. What I just went
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  Speaker 3: on the site if I just wanted two tickets?
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  Speaker 1: How big is that stadium?
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  Speaker 5: Like fourteen kids? No, it's it's have you seen the
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  Speaker 5: new stadium?
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  Speaker 1: Seen it? I don't know the capass Nelly, would you
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  Speaker 1: bring that up again? Please? The new Northwestern stadium. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's a bit much for a college football game.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. Mid season against at.
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  Speaker 5: Baymos eighty two home against Tech Loo is ninety one
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  Speaker 5: versus Utah one thirty seven.
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  Speaker 1: That's Utah. People will come here at Okie State as
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  Speaker 1: low as one twenty eight k State seventy one fifty
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  Speaker 1: five forree Asu, but Northwestern at five seventy seven. I
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  Speaker 1: know it's north in northern Chicago. Is it not open yet?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Is that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's open. Oh so is that going
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  Speaker 3: to be like the opening Northwestern? It's going to be
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  Speaker 3: at Northwestern Medicine Field at Martin Stadium in Evanston.
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  Speaker 1: That's but that's campus.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but it says this only holds twelve thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's why it's a mini stagium. Ah, that's why. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not I was gonna say, I was looking
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  Speaker 1: at these seats. This looks like a soccer fee. It's
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  Speaker 1: like the one we saw with the Broncos and Chargers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so that makes more sense.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. I thought the new joint was
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  Speaker 1: open my bed.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if still am I gonna pay five hundred
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  Speaker 3: and seventy bucks to go watch Northwestern football?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 6: You know what, we'll we'll tell the tail up and
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  Speaker 6: Boulders how many sellouts will they have this year versus
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  Speaker 6: the past three years?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Where will the ticket revenue come from?
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  Speaker 6: Will they have sellouts like they did for a couple
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  Speaker 6: of years there. It were so tough to get a seat.
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  Speaker 1: It was tough.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean that first year was unreal. It was remarkable,
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  Speaker 6: like night and day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was tough.
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  Speaker 6: Next year remarkable, and then it tailed off a bit
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  Speaker 6: last year. If you recall, there were a couple of
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  Speaker 6: games you're like students all left at halftime.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look, no matter what your excitement level is for a team,
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  Speaker 3: you also need to have a product that is worth
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  Speaker 3: your time and your money. If you're gonna invest and
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  Speaker 3: you go to a college football game on a Saturday,
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  Speaker 3: that is a full day investment in that. Even if
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  Speaker 3: the game is at you know, ten o'clock in the morning,
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  Speaker 3: you're getting down there a couple hours early. You're probably
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  Speaker 3: staying a couple of hours, having a drink or two whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You need to have a product that fits the That
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  Speaker 3: one was better, by the way, it wasn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh it? But a toduct that fits the investment.
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  Speaker 1: What happened was he leaking? Do we have a leaker?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I have out? Okay, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna, I'm out.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say something because the Texter says it'd be
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: cool if you guys talked about CSU.
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  Speaker 1: Literally.
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  Speaker 3: Ever, I'm gonna tell you something, and I'm just being
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  Speaker 3: honest as.
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  Speaker 6: A hell of a coach. I don't know who plays
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  Speaker 6: for the team. Because it's college football and there's transfers galore.
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  Speaker 6: I know he's got a lot of Yukon transfers in there.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know who plays for the team.
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  Speaker 3: I think that Jim Moore is an amazing hire for
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  Speaker 3: you guys. I think that he is going to make
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  Speaker 3: the team competitive. Here's my problem, though, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what to do with your conference. I don't It feels
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  Speaker 3: a little bit like you're playing a different league because
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  Speaker 3: you aren't allowed in the big party. Even though that
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  Speaker 3: Big twelve in the ACC are clearly beneath the SEC
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  Speaker 3: and the Big ten, they're still fighting for the same
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  Speaker 3: thing at the end of the year, Texas Tech or
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  Speaker 3: Miami or SMU or whoever. If you win your conference,
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  Speaker 3: you're in the dance.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it does.
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  Speaker 6: Though, CSU opens the season with the Border War usually
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  Speaker 6: he's later in the season. They open against Wyoming. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that makes that game a must win games. You can't
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  Speaker 6: be switching conferences and.
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  Speaker 1: Lose the border ward to Wyoming.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and think about if you get a brand new
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  Speaker 3: head coach that you're excited about and you win that
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  Speaker 3: game to open up the year and build a lot
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  Speaker 3: of momentum immediately out.
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  Speaker 1: Of the gates.
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  Speaker 3: All right, rams Fan, But but honestly, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how to really discuss where you're at as a school
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  Speaker 3: because I don't know what the PAC twelve is.
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  Speaker 1: Rams Fan, Stop being that way.
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  Speaker 5: We had Jimore Junior on when he was first hired.
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  Speaker 5: I would say that's one of my favorite interviews of
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: the entire year. Good guy, he was great. We were
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: just talking about him on a week ago. We were
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: talking about how awesome we think he's going to do it.
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: CS would that this is a perfect landing spot for him,
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  Speaker 5: and I think he's going to kick ass.
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  Speaker 1: I do too.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't know what to do with Texas San Antonio.
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know what to do with Texas State. I
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: don't know what to do with you know, some of
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  Speaker 5: these other schools that are in the new quote new
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  Speaker 5: PAC twelve. I don't know what to do with it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how to I don't know how.
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  Speaker 1: To well most line them up. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it's supposed to look like. I have no idea. Here's
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  Speaker 1: a zero. Here's the problem with college football. You ready?
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  Speaker 6: And I'm not trying to dish you guys here. This
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  Speaker 6: is just human nature. Hey, Brett, name three.
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  Speaker 1: Players who play for Colorado State Football. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: you could do that. They see you a moser. Name
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  Speaker 1: three players who play for the SEU Buffs. So I
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: understand exactly what you're saying.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Nelly, Nelly, name two players who play for Indiana,
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  Speaker 6: the national champion Indiana University.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, Gene Hackman, Yeah, that's by night.
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  Speaker 6: That's where we are, guys, that's where we are. The
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: season's gotta get going. You gotta familiarize yourself gone other
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  Speaker 6: days where And that's why it's so hard to talk
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: college football in the offseason. It's made it harder. It's
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: made it harder. This new system in place where you
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: can transfers. Many times you on the portal is always
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  Speaker 6: ripe with player because we don't know who plays for whom.
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  Speaker 1: God, I have no idea. Yeah, until the season.
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  Speaker 3: Starts, I know Arch plays for Texas. Hey, good job,
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  Speaker 3: But I'm that champliss place for oh miss.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking here, Southern Utah. What conference with that?
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  Speaker 3: I know that Brandon Soresby does not play for Texas Tech.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: They're still in the Big Sky Okay, right to jam right,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Why are you looking at a Big Sky team?
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: I used to do Big Sky football and basketball back
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: in the day. It was a pretty decent little conference
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: back in the day.
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: Are you sure that utsays in the PAC twelve? Then
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: you PACK twelve. I thought it was in there the
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: Mountain White I didn't say anything about that.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: No, they're in the American Conference. I'm sorry, they're American Conference.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Well, how many schools has the PAC twelve? You know what?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Stop it, there'll.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: Be a p huh Texas State.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, here's the entire PAC twelve. This sucks everything.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: State it's the state conference rights Colorado State, Fresno State,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Oregon State, San Diego State, Texas State, Utah State, in
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Washington State.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: It's the state conference.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, everybody's a state.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: They stayed in there. They are not.
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• 17:32
  Speaker 3: here in a few minutes once he wraps up with
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: first take. As I'm watching him right now, jump off
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: that show, jump on our show. You know this works.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Oh and he's talking about Joker right now. Should Nicola
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Jokic trust the Nuggets vision?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So there you go. We can just question back that
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: up here in a couple of minutes.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: So Brian win Horse will join us shortly. In the meantime,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: I was reading an article earlier. It has its Bleacher Report,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: and they ranked every starting five in the NBA.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I'll ask you the question, you know what, I'm gonna
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: ask you where the Nuggets were? Are they? I bet
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you they're top five? Gotta be. I would say they
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: got a great starting five.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: If they're all healthy, I would say, yeah, they've got
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: to be top five, top six, I would.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Say, right now, off the top of my head, the
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: best starting five in the NBA. Philly is going to
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: be up there. Obviously San Antonio, Oklahoma City the Knicks,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: and then Denver the Denver Nuggets are fifth. There you go.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: That sounds that sounds just about the teams I mentioned
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: in front of them. Who would you say, Knicks six Ers? Okay,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: see Spurs, Uh, Sixers are first?
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, see is second? Knicks are third and four? No,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the Spurs are sixth.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Who's four? Who's fourth? They have the Indiana Pacers.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Haliburton back healthy mane Haliburton them Smith Smith Uts.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If you're in the second Apron, you
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: better pretty got.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Your starting You better pretty god you better be.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly right if you're doing the second Apron game.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: You So maybe we're okay, we're looking at this wrong.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: We're looking at this all wrong. Okay, second Apron. Yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: that sucks that they probably can't stay you don't win
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: any awards or being I understand it. But what I'm
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: saying Pigs alson the fact that they've got a top
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: five starting lineup in the entire Damn we had one
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: last year. But they're mitigating circumstances that took them to increase. Yes,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: but let's look, let's do some glass half full type
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: of stuff. They got one of the best starting fives
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: in the entire league, as much as I agree with that,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: and I've said it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: They have a great starting five.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: The league is now gone to depth. It's become a
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: depth league, especially in the playoffs.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Win in the playoffs. Depth and health.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: Numbers bodies, no body after body unless you stay healthy.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: If you know, the Knicks didn't have the depth that
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: San Antonio or Oklahoma City had, but they're starting five
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: was healthy or healthy?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, you gotta get lucky. Here's the problem.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I was just writing this question down to repeat to
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Windhorst when he jumped jumps on with us in a second,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: and I just type should And the first thing that
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: pops up on Google is should I marry a murderer?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: What is said? What if people are googling this? How
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: much money they got? Let's go ahead and do it. Oh,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: it's a TV show. Okay, got I gotta got it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: But see now I blinked. I blinked on what I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: was going to talk? Should Nicola yochis trust the Nuggets vision?
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: But it's it's more about the Nuggets on paper. Even
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: being in the second apron, You're like, that's a good
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: roster that will win games and should be in contention
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: for a championship. What the second apron does is limit
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: you from making adjustments mid season. So if you can't
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: trust your players to stay healthy, then you have a
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: real problem. Guess what. The Nuggets can't trust their players
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: to stay healthy, especially the key ones. That's why this
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: is an issue. If you add, like if you had
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: if I gave you a guarantee, I guarantee you Aaron
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Gordon's playing every game this year, and so is Jamal Murray,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: and so is all the important players in this in
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: this thing.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Then they're gonna win sixty three games and be a
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: top two seed.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: But then you talk about the second apron, You're like, well, yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: it's not someplace you want to be.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: But if I know that, then it's not as bad.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But it's pretty bad. I think we all sit here
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and we're like playoffs roll around.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I have no idea if I can trust anybody stay
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: healthy outside of Jokic. I mean Jokic is the one.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Think about this, outside of Jokisch, who is the most
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: healthy player on the Nuggets over the last not including
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: last year, the previous years before that, maybe a couple
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: of years. Who was Michael Porter Junior, who was the
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: legitimately most untrustful health person on the roster of the
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: year before that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I know, Unfortunately, the health bug has hit every player
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: at some point.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: It's hit Christian Brown, who was very reliable, and then the.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: The weird ankle injury.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: Everything about that, even Joker, Joker for the first time
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: in his career. I mean, just think about this for
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: a second last year, Joker's first real injury. He's never
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: had a real injury. Yeah, that was his first real injury.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: Christian Brown's first real injury of his life, not just
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: NBA career. He's never had anything like that. Aaron Gordon
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: can't shake the hamstring issue. Ain't Watson? Two hamstring pulls?
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: That was a ridiculous amount of injury losses.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: By the way, people are talking about this in the appetizer.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: What do you think.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Are you concerned with the hamstring pulls for Peyton Watson
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: or is that just sort of bad luck? He's young,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It's not like he's you know, thirty two years ago.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Well, if he has, if he has another season of
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: hamstring where he plays half the half the games, because I.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: Don't know, let me let me turn the question around.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: If you're an Oklahoma City fan. Are you concerned about
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: Jalen Williams and his injuries with his hamstrings? He had
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: three of them this season. It kept coming and going,
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: going and coming.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a guy who can answer those questions. That
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: looks like he's joining us right now. Now he let
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: me know when we're all hooked up and good to go.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Brian Winhorst ESPN dot com. We'll that it is to
• 23:35
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• 23:38
  Speaker 3: medical doctor and attorney Ramos lat dot com.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Uh, let's bring him in. Brian Winhorse, ESPN. Brian, how
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you doing, buddy?
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Good morning guys.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: How were you very nice of you to join us?
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: We just show they just showed you on first take
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: a very busy day. I do appreciate you throwing the
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Denver background on us. So that's very nice of you.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Did you guys notice that? Yeah, I see the cash
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: register building right there.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: In an absolutely crazy turn of events, because we talk
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: about the Nuggets on first take like about four times
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: a year, we actually just had a nugget stuff we
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: saw minutes ago. We saw that it was absolutely it's
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: it's just I'm gonna it's kind of a weird cosmic thing.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I'm actually going to go play the lottery because that's
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: a strange circumstance.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Well, Brian with that, because we can't listen to the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: television and do the show at the same time. The
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: question was should Nikola Jokic trust the Nuggets vision?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: What did you say?
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, look, the Nuggets are in a very
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: tough spot right now, and like what they're trying to
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: navigate is one of the toughest things organizationally. I mean,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: the toughest thing to do as an organization is win
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: the championship, right Like, so that's uh, you know, that's
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: the hill you gotta climb, and it's a it's a
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: it takes years, and it takes luck, and it takes
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: incredible talent and all this stuff. And the second toughest
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: thing you have to do in the in the NBA
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: today is to stay at the top. Because all of
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: the rules have been put in to try to try
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: to keep teams from being dynastic, to try to keep
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: teams from staying at the top. Like all of those
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: rules are put in and those rules were not put
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: in to target teams like the Denver Nuggets or Oklahoma
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: City thunder. They were put in to target you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: teams like the Lakers or you know the concept of
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: the Bulls or the Lakers or the Celtics, you know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: being able to stay on top for ten eight, ten
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: years because they were put in by mid market teams
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: like Denver. You know, there's more of them than there
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: are big market teams, and they structured the CBA. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: so this is what the Nuggets are fighting against is
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: the wins of the league. They're you know, they're going
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: against the the you know, the league is not designed
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: today to be relevant to be a championship contender for
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: seven six, seven, eight years. So they're what they're doing
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: is they're fighting against that. Okay, they're also fighting against
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: a couple of decisions that they made. They made a decision,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: for example, to extend Jamal Murray at the MAX and
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: you know, the man was a championship player. He had
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: had an incredible run, but he was probably not a
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: MAX player. And a generation ago, ten years ago, if
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you gave a MAX player who'd won a championship another
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: MAX contract, I mean, if he wasn't a MAX player,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: you know, it cost your owners some money, but it
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: didn't prevent your team from from competing. That's not true anymore.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: And so like right now, like the Knicks have got
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: this real difficult situation with Carl Towns because he's a
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: championship player. If they pay him the max, they're going
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: to have a big problem in a year or so.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Because that's just the thing. That's why the Thunder are
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: giving away players right now. The Thunder gave away three
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: rotation players this summer. They literally gave him away. I
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: know they got like second round picks, but they handed
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: them away for nothing because they're trying to manage the
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: idea of having a championship window. And so now it's
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: flying in the face of the Nuggets. They're trying to
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: manage it. Okay, it doesn't mean they're bad people. It
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that they're dumb or whatever. The Bucks, it
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: broke the Bucks, and the Bucks didn't really have to
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: even deal with the second aprom for the whole time.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: But the Bucks were championship contenders for I want to
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: say six ish years. I think from twenty eighteen to
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: twenty four. They looked at themselves in the mirror and said,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: we're championship contenders. Look at the how long of the Nuggets.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: What was that first big high win season. Was that
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: like twenty eighteen, nineteen or nice?
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: It was nineteen when they got to the second round.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: And then of course the next year Jamal Murray gets
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: hurt in at least some issues.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: The Golden State SERI.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: Hey, their window actually started in nineteen windy, but they
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: had the bad fortune of having an injury to one
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: of their best players.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Otherwise we could be talking about two titles.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: And that's what happened. Well, first off, they win Game seven.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: A couple of years. I mean, I thought that team
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: was whatever. I don't want to go back down. But
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: you can say the same thing about Milwaukee. By the way,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Milwaukee had a sixty win team or like a fifty
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: seven win team. I thought was going to go back
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: and Yon and you know, Middleton hurt his knee and
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: then Jannis hurt his calf or whatever. Like they had
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: bad luck. I mean, I don't feel I feel okay
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: about it because there's a banner hanging up there. And
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: I'd say the same thing about Denver. There's a banner
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: hanging up there. You know. You know, I have this
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: big belief that you never you win a championship means
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: ever saying you're sorry, But the Nuggets are battling the
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the the grain of the league. And so look, you
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: guys know the numbers right now, they're sitting at about
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: seventy million dollars in tax. They've paid fifty million dollars
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: in tax in the history of the team. Do we
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: honestly believe that they're going to pay that seventy million
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: in tax?
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's not even with and that's not even
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Peyton Watson being fatty either.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Right of course, I think we all hear Brian Field it,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to pay it. I mean I was
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: telling the guys that you have the best teams in
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: the league. I mean the Celtics went in, They're like,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: we're not second Apron and that thing boom, right, you
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: know what you see, Like it's just so prohibitive. Even
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: if you had two hundred million dollars sitting around that
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: you were going to write a check to the league
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: two hundred million and no it for the payoff.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any sense.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Right, And then we have the you know, the cloud
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: on the horizon, right, So sometimes the cloud comes over
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: and we get thunderstorms, sometimes the cloud passes. So I
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: know what Nikoli Jokic has said. I'm very well aware.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I know what kind of person he is. I was
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: there the night they won the championship. I understand all that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: I acknowledge all of it. Okay, I'm also a person
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: of actions over words. Okay, he did not sign the extension.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I know what he said. I know who he is.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's not going to do anything about there.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: But if you ran a team in the NBA, if
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: you were running a team and you had the opportunity
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: to open cap space next year, and you thought you
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: could get Jokic's attention, would you fill your cap space?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: No?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Based on I mean, what do you? I mean, it's
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: not meant to be. I'm not saying anything. I'm not
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: saying he's not being truthful. I'm not saying it's not
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: in his heart. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: for him to want to add money onto the back
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: of his career. I'm not taking any of that not
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: a face value. But you got to admit it's it's
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: a cloud on the horizon.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: But can't you Here's how I look at it, Wendy,
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: because I know Nicolo very well. Can't you send a
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: message while at the same time understand that you're not
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: going anywhere.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: You could you could do both.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: Listen, if he lost a limb, the Nuggets would sign
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: him to the Supermax contract. So agree, nothing matters for him.
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: So for him, it's not a roll of the dice.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: The most money he can make in the NBA is
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: via the Denver Nuggets. It's not moving to another team.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: Money matters. People may not agree, but money matters to him.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: He's not going anywhere. But at the same time, he's
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: sending a message, and I think that's powerful, and I
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: think that's what you're doing.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I agree because by the speak, by the way, I
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: agree with every syllable that you said. You know, this
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: is not your first year with the league, right, You've
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: been around a little bit, right of course, and you've
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: been with Nicholas since he was you know, the second
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: round pick. You know that they weren't sure he's going
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: to make the summer league roster. Okay, that's what Michael
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Malone told me. Once he goes. Weren't even sure he's
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: gonna play in the Summer League.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Which is why it's maybe a kind of little tiny
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: bit disingenuous for him to worry about what his salary
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: is going to be at age thirty five, right like it,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: the Nuggets are always going to pay him. So like
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: for him to look at you and say, I'm I'm
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: waiting a year so that I can make sure I
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: get paid at thirty five, you're kind of like you're
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: you gonna get that any Nicola, You're gonna be able
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: to maybe you put up triple doubles when you're forty three,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: like you know, like I honestly believe he could he
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: could play. He could play as we don't think he
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: could play. Tilly's fit Like I honestly believe if he
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: played at fifty years old and only played one under
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: the court, he with.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: A put up triple. Do the guy.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: His game is predicated completely between the ears, and he's
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: the smartest basketball player I've ever seen.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Brian, Let's let's pivot here a little bit. Excuse me,
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, because I know your time is valuable. We
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: are sitting here every day talking about Peyton Watson and
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: it's driving us crazy because he's an asset for sure.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: So a sign and trade would have to be it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: You can't just let him walk. But at the same time,
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: you know they've they've qualified him. Why is he not
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: getting an RFA offer from one of these teams that
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: has all this cap space?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Is he?
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Is he overvaluing his value to the rest of the
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: league because we think, you know, seventeen eighteen million is
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: probably fair, and you're still in your second apron and
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: so on and so forth.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: But why is there nothing coming in on this player?
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: All we hear Wendy is that, oh, there interested, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: the Clippers are interested.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're interested, why isn't there an offer? What
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: are we doing?
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Correct?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Well, first off, the Clippers right now are in the limbo.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: They don't know whether they're going to be able to
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: make this big trade or not. So I have to
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: take the Clippers out of the conversation. In the situation
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: of the Bucks, yes, they can do this deal because
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: they've got this big trade exception where they wouldn't have
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: to send anything back to Denver theoretically, But they're like
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: four million dollars from the for Forrest. Maybe it's I
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: don't have enough top of my eades, it's it's single
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: digit millions away from the tax. Is that team going
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: into the I mean Peyton Watson is your fourth or
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: I mean you know for the Nuggets too, like he's
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: your fourth or fifth best player. You going into the
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: tax for your fourth or fifth best player? You are not?
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: I mean like, so the same thing with Jonathan Kaminga
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: is the same thing. People are like, well, what are
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: the Buck's gonna sign Jonathan Kaminga? They're not going into
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: the tax.
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: Home run if you're going to do that, right, So,
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: you know, look, it's hard for me to talk about
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: stuff like this because this is my twenty fifth year
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: come in the league, and I have spent hours of
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: my life listening to agents who have restricted free agents
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: who are frustrated in July, and I'm just a calloused
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: SOB at this point, and I'm just like, I know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: restrictive free agency sucks.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: That you're in the stalemate. Call me when you've taken
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: the qualifying offer, because that's really the saber rattle. We're
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: gonna take the qualifying offer. We're gonna take the qualifying offer.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: You better watch out. I'm like, sounds good. Call me
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: when you've done it. Have a nice summer. I'm going
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: on vacation. I know that if you're a Nuggets fan,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: you haven't had this happen. You're probably like, what is
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: the update? What is the update? I've just been around
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: this too long. I've been around this too long. I've
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: seen this happen too much. It sucks as a player
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: because you're because you're like, well, why can't I get
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: an offer? Why can't I get this? It's purgatory, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: you know, it might get resolved in three days or
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: it might get resolved in seventy days, and he can
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: take the qualify, And frankly, the Nuggets would be fine
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: with him probably taking the qualifier. I mean, they don't
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: want to lose him in a year, but you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: with where their salary is, and the thing about it
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: is like, you know, I was talking to an owner
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: recently and he was talking about extending one of his
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: players and he was using it and he was using
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: a poker reference. You guys play. I don't know. I'm
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: not a good poker player, but you know he's like,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: sometimes with the player, you want to see another card. Okay,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: he's taught. You know you've seen you've seen the first
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: three cards or maybe even seen the first four cards,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: you want to see another card. Sometimes you're willing to
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: make the bet when you've just seen four cards. But
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: I was talking to the Zone and he's like, yeah,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: and this guy, we want to see another card. I
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: think with the Nuggets and with some other teams, they'd
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: like to see another card.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's totally fair, right, totally.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: And so when you're when you're a restricted free agent
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: and you're a player that is trying to get paid
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: on potential, you know, it's a hard it's just a
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: hard thing to line.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Up last one for me, Wendy, and I told these
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: guys earlier, tell me if you agree. The rest of
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: the league knows what Nuggets are mired in right now.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Salary cap, hell, they're not going to do the Nuggets
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: any favors. People say, why can't they just trade one
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: of these big contracts. Well, who's going to take on
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: thirty million from Aaron Gordon or fifty million from Jamal Murray,
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: these ridiculous numbers. Not many teams are, first of all,
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: able to do that. And in this day and age,
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: do you not have to send assets picks along with
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: these trades to make them work.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: The Nuggets don't have any of those assets, that's right.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: So this is what happened with the Bucks, and the
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Bucks ended up I called it mortgaging their mortgage to
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: buy a sports car with what they did with Damian
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Lillard and boy do not want to do that where
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: they waved and stretched him and now he's on their
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: books for years when they're when they're in a rebuild.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, let's just be honest. That trade
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: last year for Cam Johnson for Michael Porter, there was
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: a reason why the Nuggets put a pick in that
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: deal because that was a salary dump because of the
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: differential in the salary that Cam is making this year
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: versus the salary that the Porter is making this year.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: That was a salary dump move. And it was a
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: it was a it was a it was a creative
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: salary dump. It was it was a nice piece of business,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: even though I know Cam didn't have the year that
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: everyone wanted. They've been trying to do this. In the
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: case of Aaron Gordon, Aaron because of how much he's owed.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's owed around one hundred million for the
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: next game, and you have to assume he's picking up
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: that player option. He's extraordinarily valuable to your team, but
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: when you call, if you were to call and try
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: to trade him, people will be like, well, he's owed
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: a hundred million a year in trouble, we're gonna hold
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: you up. So it's impossible to get value for that,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: of course, of course, and so like like you can't. Obviously,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: I know that there have been some conversations with Aaron Gordon,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: but it's it's a very very hard trait to make
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: because he's so valuable to your team and you can't
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: get value for him. So that's why you're hearing a
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: lot of Cam Johnson stuff because at the end of
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: the day, he's still an expiring contract and you can
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: move off of him. So the question will is going
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: to be, is this I think the whole league? And
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: I could be wrong. Just because I say the league,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: the league expects this doesn't mean what I think the
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Nuggets are going I don't. I don't know for sure
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: what the Nuggets are going to do. I wish I did.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: I wish I could tell you that I've infiltrated their meetings.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: And this is what Josh Cronkey is is making edict.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: But the league obviously believes they're gonna cut salary, right,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: and nobody would blame them if they do cut salary.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Quite frankly, the real question is how bad is this
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: going to How bad is this going to bleed? Because
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: like if you look at what the what the Thunder did,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Like they they just traded away a starter. Okay, they
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: they bled a little bit with with trading lou Dort.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Now they've got backups and whatever. But but they are
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: bruised right now. But they can survive that. No one's
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: looking at the Thunder and saying, boy, their horizon changed.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: The question is can the Nuggets figure out a way
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: to what to the brew ooos that they have that
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: it's going to happen when they cut a player, Probably
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: it's not a wound and that you can recover from it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: And this is a hard thing. This is not a
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: referendum again on the quality of the people in their jobs.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: It's the modern it's the reality of the modern NBA.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: And I will tell you this, you're much better off
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: having this type of problem looking up at that banner
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: than you are if you're the Washington Wizards or you're
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: the you know name the team. You know you're the
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Utah jazz, who are who have just taken it in
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: the teeth for three straight years and you're saying, maybe
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: we can get in the plane. This is a Cadillac problem.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: It's going to require a lot of solutions and some pain,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: and it's going to be some stress. But this is
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: where you want to be. You want to be the
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: team that's trying to get back to the championship. After
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: you've you've still got your ring and that's the reality
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: that they've got right now.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: When do you last thing? For you?
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Appreciate your time. I'm sure you're aware. There's a very
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: famous tweet about Lebron when he turned thirty where somebody
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: said Lebron just turned thirty, won't last too much longer?
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: How much longer is the bleepery gonna last in Philly?
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: You know if he picked Philly. I don't know if
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: he picked Philly. You guys, I don't know if you
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: know this, but like like seven eight months ago, I
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: was thinking about him as a nugget.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Podcast.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I refuse to say it out loud because
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: I know would have blown up. And I watched how
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Lebron engage with Nikolas so much during life, Vic, did
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: you notice that was I out of my mind. He
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: had never treated he had never treated Yolkic like that before.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I've seen it behind the scenes too.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: Listen, the two smartest players in the league, and I
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: think you were thinking what we were all thinking.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine those minds together on the court at
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the same time, Wendy.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: I love watching Jokic play so much. You guys know
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: that I've played. I cover a lot of international basketball.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I've seen Yokic play in China, I've seen Yokic play
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: in France. I love watching the Serbians just in general.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I love watching him play so much. I I I
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: don't ever to make the mistake of trying to get
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: into Lebron's head, But when I saw him engaging with
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Jokic the way I did, I was like, he's got
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: to be thick on the same thing. He's got to
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: be thinking about the possibility. And if he was willing
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: to go to Philly, would he have been willing to
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: go to Denver? And it just you know, like at
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: some point I'll do some interviews and I'll get I'm
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: sure when he comes to Denver next year, you know
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: he'll get asked about it, because by the way, Minnesota
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: was a really good fit too, Like Minnesota, Like, I
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: don't think I would want to play with LaMelo. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: would want to play, but and like I even mentioned it,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: like I'll just be honest, Like I mentioned it to
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Rich Paul like months ago. I was like Rich, like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: you know, if he if he's ended up willing to
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: take the minimum, I'm like, what about Denver? And he's like, well,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: we haven't talked about it, But like I I really
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: liked that fit. I really like that fit. And you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: obviously beating San Antonio or beating Oklahoma City, it's it's
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: a beast. And I get why he wanted to go
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: east and he can spend time in New York City.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: I get it, But picking Philadelphia, I mean I think
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: if you picked Miami or Cleveland, you know, like what,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: that's that's home. I get it. But if you're going
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: to go off the board, Denver made a lot of
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: sense off the board. Plus the relationship with the Cronky family,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: you know, plus it's closer to California. I don't know, man,
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: I I there was a time where I was letting
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: my letting my mind go there. I know that's not
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: productive now it doesn't matter. It's mood. It's stupid, but
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I did. I did spend time thinking about it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: When do You're the absolute best. Thanks for the time
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: this morning. We'll chat soon.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Have a great day, guys. Take care.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Brian one Horse ESPN back after this.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: All right, big things of Brian one Horse for joining us.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Vick. You said something stuck out about that interview with you. Yeah,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I listen. I'm not trying to say that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: Brian said the same thing I said earlier, but essentially
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: one because it's hard to trade these contracts, and the
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: assumption going into this offseason, I've heard from a lot
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: of Nuggets fans, Yeah, just trade one of those, you know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: trade one of your big players and free of some money.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Is it that they didn't want to trade them or
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: they can't trade them. That's a good question, because.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: You heard the man. Is Jamal Murray a Max contract?
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Is he worth a Maxican? Well, he's an All NBA guy.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Now he's an All Star.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: It's been well does the league he wasn't at the time.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: Does the league believe that though? Is it tradable?
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Probably not without incentive.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Well, reading between the lines, here's what he said, is
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: he a max contract player?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Probably not, is what win.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: But he is to Denver. But he is because in
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: Denver he did something that's never been done before. And
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: I have no issues with with them rewarding him with
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: that deal because he did something here that's never been done.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: But just because he is to Denver doesn't mean he
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: is to the other twenty nine teams in this league,
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: right And therein lies the problem for being so top
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: heavy and being in the this is where you are,
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: this is where you live.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Like AG's value when healthy at with the thirty five
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: million or whatever he's making in Denver is a lot
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: different value than it would be to somebody else. Yes,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: we know the value of Aaron Gordon to this specific
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: team and what he brings to the table, Like was
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon more valuable to the Denver Nuggets right now
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: or to the Magic before the trade.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: The Denver Nuggets right now?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: And I think that's part of the problem that you're
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: facing is then when you win a title, you aren't like, well,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let you walk over a few million bucks.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: You're too important, Okay, here you go.
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: I think the end of the value is relative depends
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: on the team and the needs. So it's much harder
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: to just say, oh, just dump a big salary, Just
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: dump Cam Johnson, just dump that salary and make room.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a reason why you.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: Gotta have somebody to dump it to there, and you
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: gotta get something ye back for it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's part of the problem too, Vicau
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: is even if you wanted to trade one of these contracts,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: you're like, I know, I'm probably willing or I'm probably
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: gonna have to take a little bit of a punch,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: but you don't want to take a bath.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: I love the way he said it, though. The Milwaukee
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: Bucks were bleeding, are bleeding. The Denver Nuggets right now
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: are bruised. But it's how you manage that bruise. Well,
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: what you can't do is do with thee.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: The Bucks took that bruising and made it bleeding when
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: they went out and signed Damian Lillard.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, now they're screwed. Now they're paying that off
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: for the next four or five years. I do want
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: to say this regarding the Nuggets and the way they're
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: trying to navigate this, which is not easy.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Right the Nuggets last year, I disagree with him on
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: MPG deal.
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: I still consider that a good deal because because it
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: unlike he called it a salary dump, but it unlocked,
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: So it unlocked some salaries to allow you to add
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: players you desperately mean. A salary dump means you're not
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: getting anything back for the player. A salary dump means
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: you're throwing the contract out there and you're not getting
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: the value return. But that contract allowed them to get
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: Tim Hardaway, allowed them to sign Bruce Brown, allowed them
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: to trade for Jonas Valance Schouness.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: All the wise, they would not have been able to unline.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I suppose that door.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I suppose that true. That's true, but I get what
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: he's saying. If him and Cam Johnson made the same
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: amount of money, they wouldn't do the trade.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Of course, not it. So it was to dump some
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: of the salary to dumb the door. Understood. Yes, so
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that's part of the CBA man.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: And god, you know I would have done that salary
• 46:33
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you tomorrow. Love you see it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Catcher baseball