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Yoreh De’ah 269:1-11. Conversion: Prohibited Marriages, Witnesses and Judges · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, Helkos gehrin Simon rash samakhat misur ariyat beguerin
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  Nadine Lyon Edu TA khalidza. OK, so when they convert, when
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  we finish the CE theme, then I'm going to go over some
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  interesting topics about helkos gehrus, questionable gehrus la
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  khakila benevid and little nuances which will shed some
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  light on what we said or learnt previously.
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  Oh din Torah shimotala girl, she is a emo a la Hotel me emo.
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  She needs Cairo. OK, so really according to the
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  Tarah, whenever a gear converts right and Andre converts to
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  Judaism, the halaka is the gear she needs.
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  Galleria Kekatan shinola dami, he becomes like a brand new
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  person. I'm not going to get into other
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  details. There is a little bit of what to
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  learn in general about Garium when they convert afterwards.
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  I'll just put it out there, like once they convert, how far do
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  you take this principle? There's a few other examples,
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  but I don't think we're going to get into it.
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  He say he becomes like a new person, but when he becomes like
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  a new person, then how far do you take it?
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  Let's say you want to say a bracha on a place that you had
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  an ace done for you, but that was in your previous lifetime,
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  like, you know, like a day before, right before you, you
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  converted and now you're a new person.
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  So there's different on all these various issues.
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  There's different opinions. So so there's how far can you
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  take it? There's an there's an opinion
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  that when a person converts. So then also Mokalino, he gets
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  a, a fresh new slate from his Averos.
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  So now he can start again. But do you get do you start
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  right away you're mature, or do you have to wait 20 years
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  because there's a minion for a child cause a child's immature
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  because how far you want to take it?
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  I'm just saying do you have to wait to 20 years to be a gear
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  when you're mature enough to be a higher punishment?
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  I think most of us would agree that's that's a little too far.
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  But there is a real question marks.
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  An interesting one is to be less Calum is you have to be less
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  Calum minus Calum again. So that's that's a macho
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  Krachronium. Believe it or not, I think the
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  majority would say yes with a without a Brafa, but some would
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  say they don't need to or it depends if it's if it's glass,
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  plastic versus metal. But anyways, let's let's move on
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  to the Shoukhanar itself, 'cause it's the question is right to
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  realize Kalim. It might only be when you
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  physically buy it from a non Jew.
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  That's when Khazal or the Tara was goes there again.
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  So the whole so whole question was Derisa Derabana, which might
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  also make a difference. Why you sometimes you're Suffolk
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  Durabanon or Duraisa la korma la kula.
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  So the question is so is it only if you take it from a non Jew or
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  in this case he never took it from a non Jew.
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  He himself is is the person. So the question is whether he
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  goes there in such a case if it's a Mr. Durabanon anyway, so
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  let's go let's let's let's read inside our our topic of the
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  Chautonarth is marriage. Can they can can so since
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  they're they're like a newborn, we say all of their they're no
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  longer related to all of their crowing.
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  All of the relatives are no longer halachically they're
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  they're relatives at all. They're a lot of them marry
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  whoever they want. There's no illicit relationships
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  with relatives by a blood. However, we're going to see
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  about Kakami Asuda verza. But Kakami made it Zera, right,
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  or Takani, all right, MI darabanam kadesha la yomu banami
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  kadusha kamura la kadusha kala so that people don't say, oh, I
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  went from a holy religion of Christianity or whatever it is,
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  Buddhism, whatever it is. And now I became Jewish and it's
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  not so Kamura I'm allowed to marry my, my sister or my
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  mother. So look sounds terrible.
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  So therefore we don't want people to say that or for it to
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  look like that. So therefore they made they made
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  it exert the thing Girish. But we'll see.
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  We don't take it all the way. It's not so see, it's it's not
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  exactly the same. They weren't girls are exactly
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  like like Jews behave because we want to just be on the same
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  level as the as the going. We want to be at least just as
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  strict as a non religious holidays rules of of of
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  relatives of marriage. But hey, Girish Shabal emo OA
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  photo bhi bhi goyeta harehi keval alhan al krete.
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  So therefore, if a man converts to Judaism and he has his non
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  Jewish family, so if he has relations with them, it's like
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  they're he's with a non Jew. And it's not like he that he
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  doesn't have the same punishment as being with one's mother or
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  sister or whatever the case is because OK, 'cause really
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  they're not related. And we're going to see we're
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  more strict with the relative of a mother cause the the halacha,
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  it's a mahlokas and we've shown him, but the halacha follows
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  that through a mother in the non, the non in the non Jewish
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  religion, we assume that they're related through a mother, but
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  they're not really related. They don't have the same usurim
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  to a father, so therefore Khazal only made it these zeras you're
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  going to see when it comes when it's through the mother side,
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  not when it's through the father side.
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  OK, so let's see inside bet gaetzai din garim araya.
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  So share basar in if it's through the mother no share
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  basar E Maya nasui keshu goy le emo if he was married to his
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  mother when he was non, when he was a non Jew, oh a hotel MI emo
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  or his sister it was mother's side Vinit gairu and now they
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  convert. So MI dera banan mafrishimotam
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  we separate them the emaya nasila shahar arayos Vinit
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  gairbo but other the ishto sain mafrishinoto.
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  But then if but if he but if it's other arayos and then and
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  they converted together, then we don't, we don't separate them.
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  The whole thing, this is the shock points out.
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  The whole thing is only in isser Meshum zera.
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  And we're not, we're not too strict when it's we're only a
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  little bit strict. How far do we take the zera?
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  And, and he says the only thing that they have to do is wait
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  three months, which we're going to see again, 'cause you want to
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  make sure you know if the child comes for it takes three months
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  to see on the woman if she's pregnant or not, to make sure
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  you know if the child is Jewish or not Jewish or if it came from
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  before or after. OK, let's go to Gilmo.
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  Goy azer bashirahem Akharshenid khaira medivari.
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  So OK, goy azerbashirahem. So then if it's through the
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  mother, this goy is aser through the mother, Akharshenid ghayer
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  medivari sophreen. Even after he converts, it's
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  Medivari Sophim Azer, a mutter, but it's a mutter if they're
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  related through the through the father Alpha.
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  Yeah, it's Alpha Pisha Odea. That's so it makes a difference
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  if they're originally married or not originally married.
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  Alpha Pisha Odea. You know, there's no question,
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  you know, this is your, your, I guess, half brother or half, you
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  know, half father, whatever it is through the father's side.
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  Half brother. We're going to Umi like twins.
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  Should the bar Baruahu Aviv Shaza.
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  Who Aviv Shaza that they have the same father AFA piche if
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  they don't have the same mother. Lo gazu al shair Aviv.
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  They didn't goes around this Lafika nose aguirre Asiat.
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  Your brother and a sister can get married if it's only half
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  brother and sister to the father side after they convert to the
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  Aishit Akhi Aviv and so to the uncle.
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  No sister-in-law, the Aishit Akhi Aviv, the aunt with the
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  nephew, the Aishit Aviv of Aishit of Aishit Beno or through
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  the, the wife of his father, the, the father's fathers who
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  had a mother and then they or daughter-in-law or father and or
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  it was the father's wife. And then I guess they got
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  divorced or whatever it is Alpha P.
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  In other words, all these things, whatever the case is
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  through the father Alpha P after they convert, right, Because
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  everyone's we're going to you have to marry someone Jewish.
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  So everyone converted. Now then it's mother one second
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  Emo Mia via his mother's sister, but she's only a sister from the
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  same father. The mother and the aunt are half
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  sisters through the father. And then he could marry his
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  aunt, even though it's his mother's, you know, it's his
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  mother's sister even That's OK. Via Khoto MI Avi, his sister,
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  right. And your and your direct sister,
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  which we already said this case. Direct sister to the father,
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  half sister. Yeah, we said that exactly.
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  We had this previous case Obito. She needs Gayuru or or and and
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  also the daughter. We need Gayuru.
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  Everyone converted Mutarez Lo own daughter can marry his own
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  daughter after they convert. Because it's because you look at
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  her also and it's her father. Anytime it's through the father,
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  it's OK, right? They all converted Vyesh
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  Austrian. Yeah, but that's, but the goyim
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  don't look at it. It's because the goyim
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  themselves don't mind if it's through the father.
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  At least that's the that's the, that's, that's the, that's the
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  goyim that we're dealing with. According to the Rishonian.
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  So anyway. So let's go on.
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  However, the Haggad just says, you know what?
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  Everything's us. That everything that we just
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  said was mutter is really us. So there's no difference between
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  father and mother. And so says the Shah says 1
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  should be Mahmer tell me emo below I quote emo meema hello
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  ishit akhiv me emo shenasa akhav me emo akharshinit gayer.
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  So once they shenasa akhiv me emo akharshinit gayer after they
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  after they get the right everybody was older and has to
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  be misgayer. So they should they should not
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  marry them. Allah inasa akhav keshu goy
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  anytime it's through the mother. We said it's Aser, but if they
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  were actually married already before they converted Keshu Hugo
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  while they were married. Hareza Mutaretlow.
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  So then on this there's a Kula even through the mother side.
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  OK, so we'll come back to this after fine.
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  The Lavash and Negrale argue on this last piece of the
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  Shokanarak as well that that they have to separate.
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  OK, The next the rest will be a little bit more straightforward.
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  Dali shnei akim tumi. We have 2 twin brothers Shahaita
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  Harassan Shiloh Biktusha vile da son biktusha.
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  So when she converted while she was pregnant, that's what it is.
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  They were going when they when she conceived they she
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  converted, the couple converted and now they're another another.
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  They get they get they get married and then she gives
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  birth. OK, so Hayavi Mishum and I even
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  if they don't actually get married, the same Allah applies
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  but let's keep reading. He already means like doesn't be
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  Katusha. I mean, she's Jewish.
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  She converted. I just added the part about
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  Kedusha. I'm sorry.
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  Khayavi Mishum Asia. So now what these these these
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  twins are brothers that they're not allowed to get married to
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  each other or to each other's wives.
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  Exactly. So then, or if it's a brother
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  and sister twins, they can't marry each other.
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  Whatever the case is, they can't get married Ava lo.
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  So that's for purposes of Arias. They are 100% brothers because
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  they were born as Jewish brothers and they don't need
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  garris, There's nothing. They don't need to do anything.
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  They're 100% Jewish. Ava lo Holtzin Volumiami But
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  they can't do Khalisa and yebum for these for this type of a
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  relationship. Why?
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  Because in order to do yebum and Khalidza, you have to be a
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  brother through the father. And since she was conceived with
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  this man, that's why I said they got married.
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  But they were conceived with this man.
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  But they conceived when they were non Jewish.
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  So these kids are not related to the father, OK.
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  So therefore they're not They can't do you.
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  Bummer. Halitsa.
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  Hey, Hano Saguior de Vita Haguior ET Ostia.
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  OK, I know. So a person who marries a
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  convert and his and her and the daughter who converted, right.
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  A mother and a daughter converted together.
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  And a person wants to marry both of them.
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  Two sisters convert together. Mina aim even through the
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  mother. So you can you can only be with
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  one of them. You can't be with the second
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  one. What does it mean to Megarish?
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  It just means if you did it. But yes, Sir, they're you're
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  married to both. Kedushin is Tosin with both,
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  even though they're both sisters, because it's only me
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  there, Ivana, and it's asser so me there.
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  I said it's 100% Tosi and but we don't allow you to stay married
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  to two sisters. It's an essay there, Ivana,
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  right, If they're a fully Jewish and born Jewish to be this Dar
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  isa. But in our case it's a yoris,
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  it's a Durbanum. So we say you have to do a get,
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  and it's a get duraisa. Fine.
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  Well, NASA gujaret Umeita 1 marries A Gujaret and then she
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  dies Mucha Lisa IMA ovita shlogazu alabachayen.
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  So then can you marry the sister or the mother after that?
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  She passes away, right? Yeah.
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  So I was wondering about that also.
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  And Mesa mucho Mesa IMA. Oh, right.
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  OK, you're right. So if it was two sisters and one
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  dies, even if it's Jewish, it's OK here we're talking about a
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  daughter or a mother when even after they die, you're not
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  allowed to marry their mother or daughter.
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  That's for a Jew. But here we're talking about a
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  Gyores and they weren't goes there on that far.
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  As long as they're not alive together, no one's going to talk
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  about it and say it looks bad and it's not going to, you know,
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  raise any eyebrows and it's not a problem.
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  So they weren't goes there in such a case.
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  But the shock just points out some are Mahmar for this case
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  and it's better to be Mahmar as well.
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  OK. Zain mutarla Adam Lisa shteyer
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  akhyote gyorit minahav Shiva gazru bisha erhav.
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  Now if a guy wants to marry 2 wives, two sisters and have two
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  wives at the same time, if it's through the right they all
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  converted and it's through the father, they're only a half
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  sisters. Not a problem.
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  OK Hashiniot kulan lugazu Alayan the Garian now with all the the
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  second relatives second removed all of those esurim that apply
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  for a Jew or even MI Darissa, they don't none of these none of
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  them apply. They were and goes there by AG
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  or A the Gary the Fika Muttar Hagar Lisa and IMO Ikimeria's
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  grandmother right wouldn't happen too often, but the dose
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  Adam Guillauret and person can marry Guillauret the the EM IMA
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  bat bat Vita right grandmother, granddaughter, great
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  granddaughter, whatever it is within Basharishness anytime you
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  get once removed, then they were and go there Ted Gershunitzgayer
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  the Ishto emo OK, now what happens?
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  This happens every so often because granddaughter is not
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  granddaughter's anested there. Isis is the first one.
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  So it has to be a great granddaughter to be a OK
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  Gershunitzgayer, the Ishto Emo, you have a couple who converts
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  together and the Srikim Lifrosh Zemi Zen.
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  So you have to separate them one from each other once they
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  convert. Shlo Shah Kadashim.
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  In other words, three months from the time they get
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  converted, they live separately for three months, then they get
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  married and then they live together.
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  OK, Teresa and Liefozemi zesh lahoukin Bain zerah shaniz
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  rabika dusha zerah shaniz rashabobik dusha.
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  Because we want to make sure we totally understand the
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  difference. The child, when the child is a
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  Jewish child or a non Jewish child.
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  Because for three months we might not.
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  It's hard to tell when you look at a woman if she's pregnant or
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  not, but within by three months, then you know for sure it'll
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  definitely show by three months. So that's why we have to
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  separate them for three months. And I believe that this is
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  common practice of Akhala Maisa. So it says in my son Igus Moshe,
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  I heard Rav Ravabh Yosef Chuvas and Haggos, they all say that we
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  have to nowadays we still wait three months, however.
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  Well, Haggal, let me just, well, I'll just say that however, the
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  Iggus Moshe has an interest in Chuvar.
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  He writes that in Bishakh Hadhap where there's, it's, I don't
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  know, impossible, too difficult for them to be apart from each
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  other. One can be sommerch on priests
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  as needa by by seeing the the menstrual flow.
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  Because when a woman bleeds, he says in the olden days, like
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  really olden days, it's possible for her to remain pregnant even
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  if she sees bleeding, or so he thinks.
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  But he says nowadays the Mets see you, it is 100% if a woman
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  has a normal flow, there's no way that she's going to be
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  pregnant. And we know this for sure.
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  So he says therefore the whole point is to know the difference.
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  And so therefore Bischat takhak, one has to be a real Bischat
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  takhak. So then one can can rely on it.
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  He doesn't talk about, you know, other testing that's done.
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  But in, in general, I believe that is what's done.
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  But I don't know, you know, I didn't do a survey about the
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  Idinium and but there are times where, you know, you do special
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  tests by the doctor or whatever and you might have to wait a
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  month. I don't know.
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  Whatever it is to as long as you know 100%, maybe you can they
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  can be together right away. Once you know for sure, live in
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  the same apartment, once they have to get married first, No.
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  And then they then they can live.
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  Yeah, Yeah, that's the whole question.
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  Separated, like live in different apartments or are they
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  allowed to just well, So what we said normally they have to live
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  separately for three months. You get married and then you
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  live together. That's the that's common Halafa.
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  If there's a Bishad de Kock situation where they can't,
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  there's kids, there's all kinds of personal issues and.
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  Right, they're not married. They're not married with a my
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  gosh. So you have to do a new a new
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  wedding and then they move in the first wedding for them,
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  right. As a Jew, haga the EME ina rozsa
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  la kaima ina Sri Hagget El yosa emanu bologet.
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  And then the the Rama just points out the obvious.
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  If they were married as non Jews and they convert when they
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  convert, if they don't want to stay together anymore, I don't
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  know something a fallout after the conversion.
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  They don't need a GET anymore. Or whatever they're on good
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  relations, but they want to go their own separate ways, but and
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  they both want to convert. Whatever the case is, you don't
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  need a get because they were they are not Jewish.
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  They're they're they're not allocally married and there's no
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  reason for a get. OK, good.
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  The inan E DUT afilu akhi min Hain me Edim Zelizer, the gir
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  shimid gayer kakatan shinola dami.
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  And then when it comes to Edus, they they're allowed to testify
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  for each other against each other.
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  They could be two agents, right? Or put together for against each
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  other, whatever it is, right? Because they're 100% separate.
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  They're not related. However, yud alev the inyang
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  Dean gerkashir le dundini maminus Lucia tier gerkashir.
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  He can he can do dini maminus, but that's only should The Who
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  should say hey emo miesra. Wait, how is that possible about
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  an emo Miesra possible Dunit Israel.
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  So it's a Jindar Isa that's a child child of Aguirre.
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  But Aguirre it is it's it's it's we're going to get there In
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  Foshe Mishpa. There is an ISR for them to to
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  force themselves on a baisdin or whatever for a baisdin against
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  the person's will to judge against Aguirre can't be a dayan
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  against a a Jew that's an Hilkos adus.
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  If he wants him to, he's allowed to, but you can't if they don't
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  want you to like fear of him in IMO misra pasila dunit Israel of
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  a la caveiro gear done. But he could be an A dayan for a
• 22:12
  for a gear. It's not for a Jew.
• 22:13
  Le khalitza Paso a few le khalita Guerin du khalitza with
• 22:17
  Guerin. That's that's that's.
• 26:23
  Quick clarification Resh samakhtet yur alef.
• 26:27
  How do you have a gear that his mother is Jewish?
• 26:30
  So we're talking about the we're talking about the son of a gear,
• 26:36
  the father and it can go either way.
• 26:39
  And then he's allowed to judge on a Israel if or the father or
• 26:44
  the mother. If either one of them were a
• 26:47
  born original Jew and only one of them is a convert, then
• 26:51
  that's fine. Also the end of Gimel when it
• 26:55
  says NASA ahib keshuhugoi. So the case is you're talking
• 27:00
  about two brothers, 2 gentile brothers and one of them was
• 27:04
  married. And then when he, when the three
• 27:08
  of them convert at the same time, for example, then the
• 27:12
  brother who wasn't married is allowed to marry his brother's
• 27:17
  wife because the brother's wife was his wife as a gentile.
• 27:22
  Now that they're all converted, it's a fresh start.
• 27:25
  No one's related. And the brother is allowed to
• 27:29
  marry his what used to be his brother's wife.
• 27:33
  But they didn't, they were never married when they were when they
• 27:37
  were Jewish. So therefore she's free to
• 27:40
  either either brother when they convert together.