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Enneagram Twos | Thriving at Work and Home · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Amy Wicks, a Jesus and Enneagram enthusiast.
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  SPEAKER_00: As a wife, mama of three humans, and a fur baby, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Juggling entrepreneurship in a family is challenging.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I believe the Lord does want your work to be enjoyable.
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  SPEAKER_00: As an Enneagram type 7, I am all about the fun factor.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this podcast is here to help you put the joy back into working mom life.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can see 1 Timothy 617 come to pass in your own thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a verse that says, God has given us all things to enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_00: All friends, it means all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Motherhood, work from home life, or work out of the home life.
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  SPEAKER_00: With the Lord's help, there's truly a way to feel calm, balance, joy, clarity, and peace in any arena of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast, where you can expect solo-style and interview-style episodes that are full of faith-based concepts, simple ideas, Enneagram insights, alongside practical tips to help you put that smile back on your face when it comes to doing life with Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now get your headphones and head to that big pile of dishes in the sink.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe that bathroom that needed cleaning two weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: And let's get to learning together.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the third episode of the Nine Type Spring series.
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  SPEAKER_00: This episode is dedicated to learning all about the Enneagram too.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are going to want to listen to each episode of the series, whether you know your Enneagram type or you're just beginning your personality discovery journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think you're also going to want to share this special nine-part series so that way your friends and family can learn about the Enneagram, and maybe they'll figure out the personality type along the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And best of all, if you tune in to listen to learn about each type, it's really going to help you know how to strengthen your relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: No matter if you are married, raising kids, or working with others, chances are you're interacting with all nine Enneagram personalities.
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  SPEAKER_00: Best of all, have you heard this well kept secret?
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  SPEAKER_00: You are able to utilize character traits of all nine types because you are made in God's image, and the triune nature of God is all nine types and more.
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe that you can reflect God's nature and all his character traits too when you're living as a beloved child of our Heavenly Father.
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  SPEAKER_00: Scripture wouldn't tell us to be imitators of Christ if it wasn't possible.
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  SPEAKER_00: So listen in to see what positive attributes you can learn about in each Enneagram personality type.
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  SPEAKER_00: All nine episodes of this spring series will spotlight one Enneagram number per episode, and we're gonna get a deep dive into each type in less than 30 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be sharing different things about each type, like their attributes, what that personality type may have looked like as a child, core traits, workplace and parenting tips, and best of all, is I'm gonna give you an overview of how each type connects with all the other nine types.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course, I'm gonna share a good story along the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because I like to save the best for last, I'll share my most favorite and helpful insight about the Enneagram 2 in the last 60 seconds of this episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also, if you haven't yet gotten your free Enneagram guide for mompreneurs, you can get that today while you listen to the episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's the Enneagram guidebook for moms who desire to thrive in their family, faith, and business.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can use the link in the show notes or head to simply wholehearted.com to get your free copy of a beautiful PDF with content for each Enneagram personality.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can gain even more understanding about your type's strengths, weaknesses, and the small pivots that you can make to go from surviving to thriving.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, have you been wondering if you're an Enneagram 2 or maybe know an Enneagram 2?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, here are 10 common traits of an Enneagram 2.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number one, you are very aware of others' needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number two, you are a safe place for many of your friends and family.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even strangers tell you all their hard things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number three, you're inclined to put others first before taking the time to decide what you want.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number four, you help others in hopes to be loved and wanted in return.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number five, you've been told you overcommit, are too involved, or are too busy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number six, you work hard to overcome any obstacle that happens in relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number seven, if you don't get the closeness you desire, you feel sad, hurt, and unwanted.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number eight, you are more comfortable being a blessing than allowing others to bless you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number nine, you struggle to express or share the ways you need help.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number ten, you have found yourself suffering from burnout more than once from all the demands of helping others.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you find yourself nodding your head to most of these traits?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or did a person or two come to mind that fit this description?
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  SPEAKER_00: If yes, you might be an Enneagram too, or know someone who is.
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  SPEAKER_00: But here's one of the most essential facts about the Enneagram that you need to know before we go any further.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Enneagram identifies motivations, not outward behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yes, there are common character traits or behavior patterns of each personality type.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the question to always ask yourself is what is my motivation behind this action?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or what is my core fear, longing, desire, or emotion behind our conduct?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now you and I may have done the same things in life, such as finding our soulmate, growing a family, and starting a business, but we probably have different motivations behind those actions.
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  SPEAKER_00: It also may be uniquely challenging for men to determine that they are a type two.
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  SPEAKER_00: Specifically in the Western culture, it's stereotypical for women to have the character traits of a two and men to be an eight.
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  SPEAKER_00: So whether you are a man or a woman, pay attention to the motivations, not just the outward qualities.
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  SPEAKER_00: You may share learned behavior traits based on your family or community culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what's really beneath the surface?
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  SPEAKER_00: So with this important fact in mind, here are some core motivations attributed to the Enneagram 2.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because many women who are in a caregiving role might strongly identify with character traits of a two, it's important to examine the following details closely to see if these core desires resonate with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: An Enneagram 2 desires to feel loved and wanted.
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  SPEAKER_00: This personality struggles to be honest about what they really need, which often leads to tremendous stress.
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  SPEAKER_00: When a type 2 does recognize their own needs, they may become fearful that they will discover that indeed no one loves them because no one will be there to help them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Twos again are motivated by being loved, needed, and appreciated by others.
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  SPEAKER_00: Their desire is to get others to respond to them, validating their need to feel unselfish, generous, and helpful.
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  SPEAKER_00: By being generous and going out of their way for others, type twos feel that their way is the most vibrant, most meaningful way to live.
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  SPEAKER_00: The love and concern they feel and the genuine good they do, it makes them feel worthwhile.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it could be done with a manipulative intent to receive love or at the expense of their own needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Healthy twos are the embodiment of the good parent that everyone wishes they had, warming others in the glow of their generous spirit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, with all these amazing generous qualities, you might be asking, what is hard for a type two?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the message that their heart longs to hear from their parents, spouse, and loved one is to be wanted and loved.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this means a type two will frequently question the love of those that they are in relationship with.
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  SPEAKER_00: The two may even feel that they aren't loved for who they are, but only for what they provide and offer to others.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may feel loss of identity when they aren't confident about their role as a caregiver and the lives of others.
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  SPEAKER_00: In short, they need to be needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: They want to be wanted.
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  SPEAKER_00: Twos may suffer from low self-esteem, often feeling drained from overhelping and not finding the strength to set healthy boundaries.
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  SPEAKER_00: It upsets the two to feel that others don't care as much as they do, and they often feel shame when they take time for their needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know I've told you before that when you take a personality quiz, read a book, or listen to material on the type, that you need to filter what is most true about you when you were a child, or think about your 18-year-old self and answer the questions from that mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I thought I'd share a little glimpse of what a type 2 might look like as a child.
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  SPEAKER_00: The type 2 child may be outwardly compliant and try to be popular with others.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're often very sensitive to disapproval and they will seek to please others.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they might be dramatic to get some attention.
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  SPEAKER_00: From a young age, they have an ability to intuitively know how other people are feeling, what their emotions are and needs are, especially their parents.
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  SPEAKER_00: This may lead the type 2 child to actively help their siblings, parents, friends, and authority figures without even being asked, or they might behave in an overly compliant way to be supportive.
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  SPEAKER_00: When these supportive acts of service to those around them are not returned or appreciated, this sends the message that they are unloved and unwanted by others.
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  SPEAKER_00: When a type 2 misses the message their heart longs to hear, they might resort to manipulation, dramatics, and overextending their help in hopes of getting the love they desire from their circle of caregivers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, at this point, if you've identified that you're for sure a type 2, hear some parenting encouragement and caution.
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  SPEAKER_00: As a type 2 parent, you excel at offering unconditional love, and you're great at being playful with your kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're motivated to extend unconditional love and good works to your child and to others in your community.
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  SPEAKER_00: As you do this, you help your children be aware of others' needs and practical ways to serve and support your community.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you're healthy, your parenting superpower will enable you to embody the gentle parent everyone wishes they had and to serve without strings attached.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now there are many things to be cautious of as a type 2 parent, but here are three practical tips for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are intuitively aware of others' needs, but you tend to suffer from guilt when you express your own desires or ways your loved ones could help you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's important to take time to know what you need and what refuels your tank so you can love out of the overflow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember to prioritize who and how you will serve the community because the requests will never cease to exist.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can be easy to serve those outside your home who are more appreciative of what you do.
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  SPEAKER_00: And while you're wanted and loved for what you do for others, you have a heavenly father who says, Well done, and loves you before you do a thing for him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Receive this truth and serve others from a place of peace, knowing that God is blessed by your servant's heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are the most supportive and loving mom your kids could ask for, even if they don't always express their appreciation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'd love to share one of my Enneagram 2 coaching client success stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, I changed the name and adjusted some details for listening ease.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jasmine started her traveling nurse career straight out of college alongside two close girlfriends.
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  SPEAKER_00: She loved helping the patients that needed her, and the quick turnaround and those she tended to in her week-long station.
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  SPEAKER_00: Being on assignment with close friends was also necessary to her enjoyment because being alone, whether it was in a hotel room or in a car on a road trip, that wasn't her thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fifteen years into her career, Jasmine still loved her job, even though the maternity leave after having each one of her kids never felt quite long enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: Becoming a mom gave her a feeling of oneness with another human being that she had never experienced before.
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  SPEAKER_00: And knowing that she was the irreplaceable caregiver of her children gave her a sense of pride and joy.
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  SPEAKER_00: When Jasmine wasn't on the road for work, she made it her aim to be fully attentive to her kids' activities and needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Plus, she served in women's ministry, the school PTA meetings, and long lunches with friends, while the kids were at school, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jasmine always intended to squeeze into a visit to the gym or take time for walks or a holy yoga class, but she could never find the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even when she traveled, she found herself staying later on her shift, on long calls with friends or with family who needed her.
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  SPEAKER_00: As her oldest was about to start high school, Jasmine suddenly found herself wondering what life would look like once her kids were gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her marriage was okay and she did enjoy her job, but she found so much purpose in becoming a mom and helping everyone in her community that she'd lost some of her goals and dreams along the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lately, she was also feeling more and more burdened by everyone's emotional needs, especially as her kids were becoming teenagers and the emotions were growing in intensity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jasmine was also finding herself being overly permissive with her kids to gain their trust because approval was essential, and the dislikes or I hate you, mom, well, it felt devastating.
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  SPEAKER_00: When her close friend mentioned that she seemed more on edge lately and confrontational and angry, she asked if she needed anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: But Jasmine wasn't sure how to answer because she was thinking, me?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't have needs, you have needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to take care of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's my need.
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  SPEAKER_00: After attending a local church event with a presentation on the Enneagram, Jasmine was drawn to the description of the type too.
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  SPEAKER_00: The speaker mentioned that most women in the church thought they were this type, but when she read the description, not only did it feel familiar, it was embarrassing to think that everyone would know this about her.
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  SPEAKER_00: After a few months of reading more and acknowledging how her lack of boundaries was wearing her down, she decided to sign up for a coaching discovery call.
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  SPEAKER_00: At first, Jasmine kept postponing the appointment because she had last-minute obligations pop up, but also because she was uncertain about spending the time and money on herself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Once Jasmine finally attended the discovery call, these were the goals that she mentioned to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: First, she wanted to be able to encourage others and support them, but not take on their burdens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Second, she wanted freedom from codependency and caring so much about what others thought.
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  SPEAKER_00: And third, she wanted to embrace the permission to take care of her health.
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  SPEAKER_00: During one of the first 12 sessions, Jasmine and I took an honest look at her schedule.
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  SPEAKER_00: She admitted to rarely looking at a whole month at once because she knew it would be overwhelming.
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  SPEAKER_00: Together we did a time audit for the next 90 days and we made some simple adjustments.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jasmine was reluctant to step out of her good obligations until she realized it would give her the freedom to focus on what she valued more.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was able to put exercise on her calendar three days a week, and even several more time slots to explore a hobby that she had been wanting to try.
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  SPEAKER_00: Looking at a full 30 days helped her to see all the ways her time was being demanded of her, and it helped her evaluate why she was really getting spread so thin.
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  SPEAKER_00: About halfway through our coaching process, Jasmine came to the realization that while she had an innate ability to root out what others needed, she also was really wanting to be part of the solution so she could pridefully say or think, you couldn't have done this without me.
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  SPEAKER_00: This awareness of her mindset helped her to hold the line to the boundaries that she set for her kids and her calendar.
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  SPEAKER_00: She also grew in confidence that the best way to love her kids was to hold the line to the consequences that she set.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jasmine also felt less extreme in her emotions when she followed through on taking care of her needs and asking others for help when she needed it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, doesn't this warm your heart?
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  SPEAKER_00: I really think there's so much encouragement in this transformation story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you're a two and you're wanting to learn the high points of what transformation to look for, here's seven tips for awareness and growth so you can apply it to your parenting and your workplace.
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  SPEAKER_00: First, boundaries are not a bad word.
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  SPEAKER_00: I promise you, not all assignments, even good ones, are yours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Second, be aware of your level of codependency.
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  SPEAKER_00: Third, you have permission to examine your own needs and declare them to others.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fourth, recognize false gestures of generosity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you helping because you're being compelled by the Lord or to fulfill your need to be needed?
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  SPEAKER_00: Fifth, be honest when you're at capacity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sixth, let go of your need for approval.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember, your Heavenly Father is already delighted with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And seventh, when you set boundaries, create consequences or declare your needs and hold the line.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, friend, if you're a two, I would like to encourage you to identify the internal message that you may have heard your whole life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that message is if I always meet the needs of others, then I will be loved in return.
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  SPEAKER_00: But here's the deal, friend, you can't do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need to make a choice to rest in the truth that Christ loves you for who you are, not for what you do for others.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you're multitasking, come back to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want you to miss this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is what you need to hear as a type two.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rest in the truth that Christ loves you for who you are, not for what you do for others.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's possible to accept Christ's gift of unconditional love as you practice solitude and believe in this truth from John 13, 8.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says, Peter protested, You will never ever wash my feet.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus replied, Unless I wash you, you won't belong to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Receiving the unconditional love of God empowers you to remember that you are worthy of receiving help, and then you will be able to offer sincere generosity without expecting anything in return.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now I know that you're probably really listening to learn about how the Enneagram 2 gets along or doesn't get along with each type.
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  SPEAKER_00: But before I give you the insights, here's the most important fact about Enneagram and relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is no one perfect type for your personality.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you hear me?
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  SPEAKER_00: In short, all types are compatible.
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  SPEAKER_00: The only question that you should be asking yourself when considering a relationship is: is that person healthy or unhealthy?
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  SPEAKER_00: This determination will make a big difference in knowing what your level of interaction can look like with that personality type.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, with that being said, here's some general similarities or differences between the types.
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  SPEAKER_00: When the Enneagram 1 and Enneagram 2 works together or gets together, the one will be more practical and task focused.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the two, they'll be more relational and others focused.
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  SPEAKER_00: This might be a frustrating combination when collaborating on a project, but if this is understood up front, it can cultivate a win-win situation where both the task is accomplished while being mindful of the people involved.
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  SPEAKER_00: The struggle that might come into this relationship is the one might equate the two's helping as fixing them, which confirms their inner critic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the two may not feel as needed because the one isn't going to display or communicate their needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Enneagram 2 with an Enneagram 2 will both love helping one another, and they'll be great at meeting each other's needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they will struggle to know who, when, and how to lead.
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  SPEAKER_00: The two wing one will be intent on helping to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fix, and the two wing three will be intent on helping to feel successful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now both the Enneagram 2 and Type 3 will both desire to achieve a sense of significance from others, and they're motivated by external affirmation.
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  SPEAKER_00: This might be deceptively unifying, leading them to make choices that lack authenticity.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when they're both honest about their motivations and remain accountable, they use their abilities to produce excellence in finishing tasks, yet they also take care of people's needs in the process.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Enneagram 2 and the Enneagram 4 have a unique connection and growth, and they are both in the heart trap or rely on their feeling center of intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: The four deeply values authenticity, which is a challenge for the two who are in denial of their needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: The two may get frustrated at the four's melancholy, and the four may get frustrated with the two's ability to reframe and move on from disappointment.
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  SPEAKER_00: But both will be excellent at supporting each other emotionally, and they will equally share a desire to create a welcoming space that is aesthetically pleasing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now for the Enneagram 2 with Enneagram 5.
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  SPEAKER_00: The twos feel wanted and connected when others express their need or openly respond to the care.
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  SPEAKER_00: But a five, well, they're going to be afraid to admit their neediness.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a two will be in denial that they have needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: The five will know their need, but they won't voice it for fear of looking inept.
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  SPEAKER_00: A healthy two can help a five feel accepted when they express their needs without creating a sense of obligation.
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  SPEAKER_00: But a two will have to be patient with the pace of a five's willingness to share their thoughts, plans, and ideas.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Enneagram two and six are both hyper diligent about their relationships, but the six will be more focused on the security of the relationship, while the two will be focused on being needed and wanted.
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  SPEAKER_00: When they understand this about each other and combine their efforts, people will be well taken care of and supported by a good plan when these two work together.
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  SPEAKER_00: When the Enneagram 2 and the Type 7 are a team, they'll make people feel loved and care for, all while having a really great time.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are both good at keeping their calendars full.
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  SPEAKER_00: The two with all their relationships and the seven with all their activities to avoid boredom.
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  SPEAKER_00: The assertiveness and the constant ideation of the seven can sometimes be draining for the type two, who wants to help all those plans come to fruition.
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  SPEAKER_00: And by the time the type two will have a plan in place, the seven may have moved on to the next dream.
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  SPEAKER_00: It may be important for the two to ask the seven, are you just dreaming out loud?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or do you really want help with this?
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  SPEAKER_00: The Enneagram type 2 and the Enneagram 8 share a unique line of stress and growth, and they each can learn from one another.
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  SPEAKER_00: When the two is under stress, they may access assertive energy, anger, determination, and they might become more confrontational.
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  SPEAKER_00: And while the two may initially feel uncertain around an 8, their passion for being forthright will challenge the two to not manipulate and to state their needs clearly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, the two can learn from the assertiveness and the healthy side of the eight, and the eight can learn from the patient tenderness from the type 2.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both the Enneagram 2 and the Enneagram 9 can appear very similar, but the 9 is more withdrawn, desiring peace, whereas the type 2 may grow more assertive to maintain a sense of being wanted.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Enneagram 2 derives their energy from helping others and being needed, and the Enneagram 9 tends to feel drained after supporting others.
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  SPEAKER_00: This can create conflict when their priorities seem like they are the same, but they have different energy levels in their approach.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the end, when these two types are healthy, they can be a supporting and gentle team that works together.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness, that was a lot of information, right?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to hear about what you learned today.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you thought of someone else who would appreciate all this information on the Enneagram too.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's a friend you think that is Enneagram too, or maybe it's your friends and family that need to know more about you.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Just use this podcast app's share feature and pass along this episode with a little note about what you learned, or what you're hoping others might learn about you.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you listen to this whole episode, you're going to hear one of the most valuable insights that I have learned and that has helped me in my relationships with Enneagram 2s.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'll never forget the beautiful podcast conversation I had with Enneagram 2 Lisa Joe Baker, way back in 2019 on episode 115.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: She was really quick to challenge those who think that twos are the darlings of the Enneagram.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Her take on being a Type T was refreshingly honest.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Lisa Joe acknowledged how difficult it was to see all the needs all the time, and to her it felt like a burden to be so aware of all the ways that she was needed.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: While she loved helping, supporting, and saying yes to really good things, in the end it was becoming detrimental to her health and even to the relationships in her family.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: When she realized by saying yes to one thing meant saying no to another, she learned to take time to prioritize her yeses.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Lisa Joe was even authentic about how all this helping would bring her to the low side of the eight qualities, creating anger and frustration.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now there was so much good in that conversation that's worth listening to, but it did remind me once again that oftentimes you know you've figured out your true Enneagram personality when it's not really the type that you want to be.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, the inside of the Enneagram doesn't put you in a box.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, when you combine your newfound self-awareness with the power of the gospel, you can get free of the box that you might feel stuck in.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Next week, I'm coming back here with an episode all about the Enneagram 3 as we make our way through this new series.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait to share all the goodness with you.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time, friend, continue to pursue God's perspective, purpose, and plans for your wholehearted life.