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#133 KLP Wasn't Prepared For How Different Her Births Would Be · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Ash math.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you a band that not only am
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  Speaker 2: I obsessed with them, my children are obsessed with them.
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  Speaker 2: We play them every time in the car. Corn Divers
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  Speaker 2: City Close. Do you want to have a listen?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 3: Can you go ten Silly? Get your hands siey Han
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  Speaker 3: City Hands Silly, Get your pants silly and Sidney Pants
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  Speaker 3: City Shop Back, Get the body.
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  Speaker 1: Get down on the floor. Ah, that sounds nothing like Corn.
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  Speaker 2: Get your kids on the Diversity divers City, Right, they
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  Speaker 2: are the best.
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  Speaker 4: Kop or Kersey Lee Peters for sut is one half
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  Speaker 4: of Diversity, alongside Matt o'kine.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Kope is one of those musicians who has been in
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  Speaker 2: our ears in ways we didn't even realize.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, that's thirteen thirty thirty two, Matthew.
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  Speaker 2: We will get into the lubabill lad a little bit
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  Speaker 2: later in the episode, but let's try something a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more current. By night, Kop is filling out the
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  Speaker 2: dance floor to incoherent adults and by day stumbling toddlers.
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  Speaker 1: Two ends of the spectrum but similar in so many ways.
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  Speaker 2: She juggles this alongside her main gig as Mum to
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  Speaker 2: see Jenna and Monty with her partner Nick Kop.
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  Speaker 4: Tells us her secret hiding spot when she needs a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of a lone time Matthew.
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  Speaker 2: She also talks about how different her girl's birds were
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  Speaker 2: and her ongoing dilemma that involves waffle stomping my favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Welcome back to two doting dads
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  Speaker 2: and one doting mum.
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  Speaker 1: I am Maddie Jay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Ash and I'm Kop.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a podcast all about parenting. It is
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  Speaker 2: the good, is the bad, and the relatable. And we
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  Speaker 2: don't give advice. Koorp you can illegally you are allowed,
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  Speaker 2: Ash and I are not allowed.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, great, good to know.
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  Speaker 2: We've had a few season desist letters by lawyers, so
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  Speaker 2: for legal reasons, we can't give advice.
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  Speaker 1: But guess they are.
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  Speaker 2: They escape any kind of punishment for sure, legally for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming, Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Where are your kids right now?
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  Speaker 3: I thought you had them? My kids one is in
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  Speaker 3: year one and one is in daycare?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I say thank you, thank because this time
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  Speaker 2: is precious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. But I mean my kids have
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  Speaker 3: been in care for a little while now. Kind of
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  Speaker 3: in daycare from maybe about one year old. So they
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  Speaker 3: love it. They really do. Like we do have those
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  Speaker 3: moments where they're like, I don't want to go, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: But whenever they're there, they just have so much fun,
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  Speaker 3: and I feel a lot of pressure to provide them
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  Speaker 3: that much fun.
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  Speaker 4: On the weekend, it's no they like you said, they go,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to go to that, and then you
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  Speaker 4: pick them up they're like that, yeah, yeah, we're going
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  Speaker 4: to go do something boring.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, children getting sick at daycare, it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Have you had any situations, Yeah, all the time.
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  Speaker 3: But very early on with Sienna, we discovered she was
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  Speaker 3: getting tonsilitis all the time, and I think we went
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  Speaker 3: to a doctor and he said, her tonsils are just
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  Speaker 3: a stupid size, like her resting. Healthy tonsil size allowed
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  Speaker 3: her no space to be like eating, breathing, and if
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  Speaker 3: they're not getting enough oxygen they can stunt their growth,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. So we had her tonsils out when she
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  Speaker 3: was just under three, which was, yeah, just a whole experience. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I know, in the greatest scheme of things, it was
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  Speaker 3: just day surgery, but seeing your child go under for
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  Speaker 3: the first time, you know, that was very hard. And
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  Speaker 3: then with Monty, very soon we realized she was getting
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  Speaker 3: the same thing. Turns out Nick and I have also
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  Speaker 3: had our tonsils out. Supposedly it's not yeah, but I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: we've all had it, so we're a totally tonsil free
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  Speaker 3: family now. Yeah, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean that was like a really challenging time
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  Speaker 3: because even with Monty we picked it up straight away
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  Speaker 3: because we're like, we've been through this before, but they
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  Speaker 3: don't want to do it to kids that are too young.
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  Speaker 3: And so I remember the E and T just saying no,
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  Speaker 3: we're just going to stick it out for a year,
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  Speaker 3: and we're like, oh, she's going to get sick a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, that's just what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: But it was just it was really rough. She was
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  Speaker 3: sick all the time and coughing and sleeping. No, it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't that it would just be coughing to try and
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  Speaker 3: clear her airways and they would just be swollen and
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  Speaker 3: red and then they start to get scarred, I think
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  Speaker 3: from the build up.
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  Speaker 2: And then what's the recovery post surgery.
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  Speaker 3: It's the worst. The doctor's explained it as two weeks
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  Speaker 3: of hell and then overnight it suddenly changes and it
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  Speaker 3: is like that, it's two weeks of It's really rough
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  Speaker 3: on the kids because they're just in so much pain
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  Speaker 3: and you just what do you feed them? Ah. Funnily enough,
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  Speaker 3: my daughter wanted all the things she couldn't have, like crackers, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: no corn and crackers that, yeah, but yogurt.
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  Speaker 1: How would they understand an internal injury?
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know when they know when you're like
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  Speaker 4: great straight away band aid, I'm her, let just don't get.
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  Speaker 3: It and yeah, and even going into the surgery and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they go under, but when they wake up
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  Speaker 3: from that general anesthetic, I don't know if you've had
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  Speaker 3: to deal with that at all, but they're just so
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  Speaker 3: out of it and that's pretty confronting. Second time around,
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  Speaker 3: it was way better because we understood the pain management.
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  Speaker 3: You've just got a pantold europin panold europhine, like just
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  Speaker 3: one after the other, almost before they want it, and
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  Speaker 3: so that was a little more bearable. Yeah, So that
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  Speaker 3: was really challenging because it just felt like every month
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  Speaker 3: they were sick and then just not breathing, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's brutal of the whole household when they snore, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just a knock on because you're up with them.
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  Speaker 1: Then they're tired, they go to school, they're grumpy.
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  Speaker 4: You're grumpy. You gotta try and get some rest, and
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  Speaker 4: it's just this ever go.
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  Speaker 3: They would wake up with these little bags under their
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  Speaker 3: eyes because they're just not getting enough oxygen at night
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  Speaker 3: because they're not sleeping enough. And then as soon as
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  Speaker 3: the tonsils were out, they're like, you know, waking up happy.
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  Speaker 1: Changes their speech and everything.
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  Speaker 3: No, it totally does, Yeah, because when they've got those
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  Speaker 3: tonsils in their mouth, they can't pronounce things, and then
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  Speaker 3: when they're removed, their voices.
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  Speaker 4: A friend of mine's kid was so they thought he
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  Speaker 4: had really bad learning difficulties because he wasn't talking properly,
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  Speaker 4: same age as Oscar, he so far behind. And then
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  Speaker 4: they were like, need tonsils and adenoids out because he
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  Speaker 4: can't breathe, he's not sleeping properly, he can't talk properly.
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea this is the thing.
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  Speaker 4: And then he had them out and I remember I
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  Speaker 4: was walking with lenning up to the beach and he
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  Speaker 4: was like, uncle.
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  Speaker 3: WIXI And I was like, yeah, they suddenly can pronounce.
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  Speaker 4: Different kid altogether, and now he's like leaps and bounds
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  Speaker 4: where it was like holding him back because he was
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  Speaker 4: so tired, so cranky all the time, and now he's
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  Speaker 4: just like hitting goals.
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  Speaker 2: Like I kind of wish I had my tonsils taken out.
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  Speaker 1: They're stunting and learning now instead. I just got circumcised. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't had mine out. I haven't had mine. Explains
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  Speaker 1: a lot, but I'm uncircumcised.
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  Speaker 2: We always like to know with our guests what you
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  Speaker 2: were like as a child. Were you well behaved?
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  Speaker 1: Were youna?
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  Speaker 2: You seem like someone who would be very well behaved.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think it's so boring, but I think I was.
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  Speaker 3: But I was very determined. I was a good negotiator.
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  Speaker 3: So I was the type of kid that would go
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  Speaker 3: to my parents and be like, I'm going to do
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  Speaker 3: this thing. I'm going to tell you about it, and
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  Speaker 3: I want you to accept it. But I think I
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  Speaker 3: was probably please. I think I was maybe that way
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  Speaker 3: because my parents gave us a lot of autonomy, so
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  Speaker 3: they really encouraged us to like whatever we wanted to do.
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  Speaker 3: They would really encourage us to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember any big pitch that you had to
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  Speaker 2: go to your parents and be like, we should do
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  Speaker 2: this thing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it was definitely you know, boyfriend related or
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  Speaker 3: I know I went out to a party and had
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  Speaker 3: a fake ID but had told my parents. Oh, and
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  Speaker 3: they were can I.
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  Speaker 2: Just quickly ask it takes all the fun out of that.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone always talks about having a fake ID. How did
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  Speaker 2: you get yours? I never had one.
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  Speaker 3: There was it. I don't want to name the travel company,
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  Speaker 3: but there was a travel company that did these like
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  Speaker 3: student travel cards, and it was quite easy to I'm
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  Speaker 3: not naming it. I don't want to get I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to because we're not young.
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  Speaker 2: And we talked about the legal problems that.
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  Speaker 3: This is also a really long time ago, that it
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  Speaker 3: was quite easy to do that, and I think my
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  Speaker 3: parents were of the mindset and I think I'll be
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  Speaker 3: like this with my kids. It's hard to know where
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  Speaker 3: they would say, we'd prefer to kind of know. And
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  Speaker 3: so I was allowed to go, but I had to
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  Speaker 3: say who I was going with, be back at a
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  Speaker 3: certain time, so it was controlled. You know, what's what's
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  Speaker 3: the word?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? What is that same?
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  Speaker 4: You just come up with that that's great, I feel
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  Speaker 4: like that's the same.
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  Speaker 3: But I was also so I was.
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  Speaker 1: That was a trick though when parents were like, rather know.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I was always like a performer. My dad was
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  Speaker 3: a musician as well, and I went to a performing
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  Speaker 3: arts high school. Found myself in a girl group signed
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  Speaker 3: to Sony when I was thirteen, and so we did
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  Speaker 3: a lot of traveling around. So I was by myself
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  Speaker 3: traveling around Australia, being away from my parents. So they
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  Speaker 3: kind of had no choice but to either give me
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  Speaker 3: that responsibility and trust me in those situations. So I
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of responsibility, but I also yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't going to fuck it up, you know, that kind
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  Speaker 3: of governed. I guess who I was as a kid.
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  Speaker 1: What was that group called? Again?
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  Speaker 3: It was called Real Blondes. Terrible name, look it up.
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  Speaker 3: Put in the SoundBite it was it was actually it
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  Speaker 3: was like, would you prefer to go to school or
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  Speaker 3: go to school minimally and tour and.
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  Speaker 2: So we will put a SoundBite in. Is there a
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  Speaker 2: specific track you would like us to play right now?
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  Speaker 3: The classic is we Be Cool? Yeah? Do you know
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  Speaker 3: what it was? Prior the Internet. But then one of
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  Speaker 3: the parents of one of the Girls has since uploaded
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  Speaker 3: the music videos to you so you can't you can
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  Speaker 3: find them, but there was no like official like YouTube
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  Speaker 3: wasn't even really a thing. That's how long ago.
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  Speaker 1: What was we be cool about? What was the premise?
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  Speaker 3: You know? Oh god, I haven't been able to ask
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  Speaker 3: to sing this. It was pretty deep some lyrics We
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  Speaker 3: be smart from our head.
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  Speaker 1: To our heart.
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  Speaker 4: Is I know, have you thought about remixing them?
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  Speaker 1: Because you are a DJ, you do high stuff that
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  Speaker 1: I think we should read the three of us.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I have other songs now and I didn't write
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  Speaker 3: that song.
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  Speaker 1: How was that with other kids at school? Though?
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  Speaker 2: Because I feel like sometimes people are jealous of success.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely and especially teenage girls. So it was this weird
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  Speaker 3: thing where people were supportive and it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: cool because I was a little famous for a teenager,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like get a little bit, you know, not
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  Speaker 3: a very successful one, but like a little bit. But
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  Speaker 3: then it ended at six when I was sixteen, so
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  Speaker 3: we got dropped from our record label and I had
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  Speaker 3: to go back and just be a normal kid at school.
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  Speaker 1: It was heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 3: It was because I thought I was going to be
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  Speaker 3: the Spice Girls, and I wasn't Luckily I had a
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  Speaker 3: dad that was in music, so he explained, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is one of the many times that I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was a failure, and he was like, it's not
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  Speaker 3: a failure. You're going to be in so many bands.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to be in so many things. And I
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  Speaker 3: think I got a really thick skin and huge resilience
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  Speaker 3: because I just had to go back to school. People
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  Speaker 3: would kind of make fun of it.
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  Speaker 1: Did they know they would you got dropped or do.
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  Speaker 3: People kind of yeah, it kind of ended no, no,
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  Speaker 3: because we weren't that famous. It wasn't that that successful.
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  Speaker 3: But I was just back to being a regular kid.
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  Speaker 3: But I had the choice of either letting that destroy
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  Speaker 3: me or being able to sit there and laugh at
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  Speaker 3: them making fun of the situation. So I actually see
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  Speaker 3: that whole period as being like a really big blessing
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  Speaker 3: because I think it set me up for being quite tough.
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  Speaker 1: Bit of resilience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your dad is being he's been quite wise in
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  Speaker 2: your corner, but he's also told you into a few
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  Speaker 2: jobs as well. There's one that I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people listening with.
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  Speaker 1: You remember is not where that comes to mind.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just going to say thirteen thirty thirty two.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I peaked really young.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I don't actually.
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  Speaker 3: Remember how old I was. And I can't take full
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  Speaker 3: credit because it was my brother that had He was
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  Speaker 3: a few years younger than me, and he had the
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't like a list, but you know the thirty
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  Speaker 3: three that was my brother. I think I was like
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  Speaker 3: there they fixed the car and he had the firth further.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, my dad was a songwriter, but then he
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  Speaker 3: also wrote TV jingles. So that's why I've always come
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  Speaker 3: from like a songwriting point of background.
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  Speaker 4: Like a cool claim to have here in Australia because
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  Speaker 4: it's like everyone knows that.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone knows it. Yeah, there's a few famous ones, but
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  Speaker 3: we would like honestly come home from school and just
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  Speaker 3: hang out in the studio. I mean, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's airing now, and I think I need to ask
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  Speaker 3: my dad. But I think the laws were different, or
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  Speaker 3: the rules were different as to you know, you just
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  Speaker 3: get paid a fee as opposed to being like a
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  Speaker 3: writer and getting like real I think it was different
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  Speaker 3: back then.
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  Speaker 2: I once did a tampon ad and and that ran
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  Speaker 2: for almost two years.
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  Speaker 1: As a child, No, I was.
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  Speaker 3: How would that one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like, Mom, what's wrong. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We'll think about that, we'll think about the logistics.
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  Speaker 2: And I used to get phone calls whether they'd say like,
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  Speaker 2: oh it's now gone to New Zealand.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, And you would get royalties off that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was living off this tampon a good money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great money. Friend who was the veggiem kidd?
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  Speaker 1: Is that how you met Nick? Then? Through working in music?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, through working in music, but that was through DJing
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  Speaker 3: and for me.
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  Speaker 2: The nightclub it was actually uh Cargo Bar, famous nightclub, Unaware.
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  Speaker 3: But he was a little bit younger than me and I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, had some rules of things, you know, people
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  Speaker 3: I weren't going to date and DJs was like top
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  Speaker 3: on the list, but I think he saw that as
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  Speaker 3: a challenge. But yeah, we just met through DJing in clubs.
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  Speaker 3: This is even really before I was kind of k
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  Speaker 3: RP and.
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  Speaker 1: He was he DJing or U DJ.
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  Speaker 3: We're both DJ well just his name. But then he's
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  Speaker 3: in Setmo a band as well now. But he's also
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  Speaker 3: now in the fitness industry, so he's had a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a pivot away from music.
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  Speaker 2: With personal trainers on that list as well of people
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't danger.
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  Speaker 3: They probably would have been higher so he can stick around,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, we just can't. We knew each other from
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  Speaker 3: the DJ scene and then a mutual friend of ours,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're kind of all friends, and then it
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  Speaker 3: just slowly happened.
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  Speaker 1: Was there a big first date or was it just it.
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  Speaker 3: Just no, It was definitely me even saying to his face,
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  Speaker 3: this is not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: And then he was trying then for you to say
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  Speaker 2: this is not going to happen with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think I was also not his type.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it was definitely one of those things
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  Speaker 3: where neither of us thought it was going to be serious,
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  Speaker 3: and then we suddenly found ourselves in a situation where
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  Speaker 3: we were like.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck, we love each other.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then yeah yeah, and now we've been to
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  Speaker 3: yeah that's coming up on thirteen years. Wow, yeah crazy?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, congratulations. Yeah, why what's the secret?
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  Speaker 3: Ah, it's like this is going to it's not funny
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  Speaker 3: at all, but like repair from issues. We're really good
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  Speaker 3: at discussing issues, recognizing what they are, but they're not
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  Speaker 3: just saying, oh that was shit, let's not do that again,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: actually saying how can we avoid it happening again? And
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: it's just an ongoing thing, like it just comes up
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: all the time, especially when you've got kids. I remember
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: my dad once saying having kids is like throwing a
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: grenade into a relationship, and I was like, ha ha,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: And then you have it, you're like, oh yeah, so
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: just that idea of you just constantly having to like
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: work at it and then repair and like work at
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: it and repair.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: It's funny because Laura and I had a big fight
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: last night. Fun so I've got some repairing to do.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like repair is the best part and it can
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: actually make things better.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: And yeah, totally because you can be like, hey, I
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: didn't actually like that and like, how can we avoid
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: that from happening again?
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not just me, but you like together.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: You've got to find practical ways to do that. Sometimes hard,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: but yeah, like sometimes it's hard to figure out as well.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And if you're.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Tired and you're you know, over stimulated from kids or whatever.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: With Nick, I don't want to stereotype, Okay, but he's
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: younger than you, he's a DJ I imagine that again.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Stereotyping having kids is not top of his list of
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: things to do.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing about Nick. When we first the
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: first time, we kind of saw each other in the
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: light of like, oh hello, because we knew each other
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: in the nightclub. He said something like, oh, we should
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: hang out, and I was like, I don't get picked
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: up in cargo bar, like you can call me in
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: the am. He did. He called me the next morning
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: and he said, Hey, I'm just on my way to yoga.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Do you want to meet me afterwards? And I was
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: intrigued because he's very much live life to the fullest.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: So he will run a marathon, he will then stay
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: up all night DJing or dancing. He'll eat burgers, then
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: he'll eat really healthily, like he's just this real. He
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: does things in all extremes, but the good and the
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: hard parts. So yeah, he he really throws these curve
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: balls out there where he's like, I'm going to do yoga.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: But then I'm a DJ and I'm younger, but I'm reliable.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: So how did you respond to the yoga statement?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I was intrigued. It worked. I went to meet
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: him for coffee. Yeah, ok, yeah, so he had Yeah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: so no, it just and all through our relationship, Like
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: we kind of started seeing each other and I knew
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: he was about to go overseas for a Bucks weekend
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: or week in Fithera.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Wow, it's intense exactly.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: So in my mind, I thought, well, this has an
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: end date, because you know, there's no way we're going
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: to stay together throughout that. And I was fine with it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: But then he turned up on my doorstep one day
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: before he was about to leave and he said something like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I want to lock this shit down with some flowers. Yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: so that's the thing. But he's he's not perfect all
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the time, let me but he's pretty good.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Let's just preface that a very beautiful.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: This is too much love for Nick, very mature.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: He's actually doing wonders to repair the image of DJs
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: around the world.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Honestly, especially the Aussie one. So we've been going to
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I have a whole other podcast.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: It's hard to decide when is the right time to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: have kids. I remember with Laura we were like, this
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: is going to just it's the grenade, you know, with work,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: especially career wise, nothing's going to disrupt that more than
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: having kids. Being in the music industry, it's very difficult.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It's not a conducive industry to raise a family. So
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: when did you decide that it was the right time.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I remember when I turned thirty one, I suddenly thought, Okay,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: this is something that I want to happen in the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: next few years. And I knew that he wanted kids
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: to we had talked about it, but I kind of
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: went to him and said, this is something that is
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: in my next few years trajectory. Just go away and
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: have a think about that. And he was like, okay,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: freaking out, but then he came back and he was like,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I'm ready, now let's go. And I was like, oh,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not. So it was just a very planned out thing.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Like we weren't planning on getting married. It was always
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: have kids that was more important to us. Yes, it
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: was just like a very planned thing.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: The birth of Siena, your first was that very planned?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Did you have a birthing plan in place that you
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: had to follow.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think everyone has a birthing plan, but yeah,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know anyone really that the plan has actually
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: been played out. We went through all the things and
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: we tried to be in the midwife you know program
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And then Siena had her own little plan,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: so she was breach. I had low amniotic fluid reach
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: again around the wrong way, so it's meant to be
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: head down.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: How early did you find that out?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Well, they wait until the thirty seven week scan. This
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: is also this could be incorrect. Now, this is what
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: happened with me. They waited until the thirty seven week
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: scan because they're then too big to turn around again.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Up until that stage, they can flip all the time.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: So thirty seven week scan, we went in and they said,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: she's breach. You've also got low amniotic flow, so she's
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: swimming in like a very shallow pool. So they were
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: kind of watching her, and they said, even if you
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: go into labor, it's a sea section, Like there's just
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: no way, too high risk, too high risk. So we
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: knew it was going to be a sea section, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I definitely felt a little bit ripped off at that choice,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you know, like I almost feel like it's weird saying
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: choice because it's put to you, like you have this choice,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: but I feel like the body just decides for you.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: But at the time I felt a little bit ripped off.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: But looking back now, the planned sea section was a
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: dream for me. It was Why was that because you
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: had a time you went in. I had like a
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: little bit of makeup on my hair was nice. We
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: had these photos of Nick and I, you know, doing
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: peace signs, like in the waiting room you go in.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: It's all very controlled. I swear Sienna just would have
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: been snoozing in there and they just pluck her out.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Do you have music playing? Did you do you get
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to decide to play.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: On repeat?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: No?
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I can't even remember that, but I just it was
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: such a chilled experience, was very quick, even the scar.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, because you're not in labor. The
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: cut was very simple for me, whereas my second child,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I attempted a v back out because vaginal birth after
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: caesarean V back Yeah, so if you haven't had a
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: caesarean because of complications with going into labor, like for me,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: we don't. We didn't know at the time if my
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: body could go into labor. So I'm allowed to try it,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: but there's there's different risks because my uteruses being cut,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: so they can't induce you, et cetera, because it can rupture,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: so and they won't let you try it after a
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: certain amount of weeks. Et cetera. So there were different
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: restrictions to it, but I want to give it a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: go because I wanted to experience labor. Yeah, I did,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and after a little bit, I was like, this is
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: how long did.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: You do it? Look?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Hours? But then I had complications because my waters didn't
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: break properly. They then had to break the waters and
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: then it was an emergency sea section. And the emergency
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: sea section over a planned one was a whole different
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: experience for me. Yeah, and there were just a few
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: little complications in the greatest scheme of things, and just
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: from what I know from my friends and things, it
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: was still fairly chill. But that compared to the planned one.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I look back and I'm like, damn, I should have
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: just done planned again.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: It is like we've we've had both as well, And yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: that plan one, it's like checking do you have a
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: C section?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Is that a joke?
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really funny, but yeah, it's like checking into
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: a hotel and you come out with a baby like
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: four days.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That, to excuse my co hosts think is really fun.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: You didn't pass out, did you. I'm not talking about it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: They did tell me this story when I was having
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the epidural. They were like dads sometimes pass out, so
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: they made me.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I'm anything about it anyone, because I keep get in
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: trouble for talking about it. Yes, yeah, No, how was
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: your husband doing it? Though?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: He was fine? I mean he gets really scared at
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: needles and things, so I think if they didn't keep
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: him out of the room, he maybe would have passed
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: out like you, But he was, he was fine. I mean,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: it's would be such a weird experience for the dads.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I think just seeing their partner and feeling a little
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: bit helpless. I don't know, not knowing what to.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Do for dads and tough.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: That seems really uncomfortable than women.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: But I'm just recognizing that. Like I think if I
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: was in that position, like what can I do?
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: And that planned one where you're like you both went in,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: you be getting photos and stuff like that, and at
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: some point it's like, all right, guys, we need to
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: be serious. And then you're kind of in your scrubs
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and getting prepped for surgery and you're right.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I'm like, it's a fucking
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: weird morning. Yeah, we just had breakfast, Nick, hold your hand?
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Is he no?
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Because you're you've got your hands, like one arm is
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: strapped down because it's got the drip right, and I
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: think he was maybe holding that one or the other one.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: You can move, yeah, but you're like numb from here down,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: so you can't move from there down. Second time, when
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: it was the emergency C section, because I had been
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: in labor when they gave me the epidural, Oh, it
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: was horrible. I was then like vomiting all over myself
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: and kind of passing out and yeah, so that was
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: horrible because I think it's just different again to that
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: controlled environment of having the epidural and yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I think you're having contractions and the option of not
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: vomiting on your elf. Yeah, can we see those photos?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Oh man, it was But also I don't know, looking
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: back on it all, it just seems almost irrelevant to
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: all the other things. Your face as a parent, Like
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: that's just this started line.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: You get vomited on and then invol yourself someone else's
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: shvomented on you.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No one talks about the amount of body fluids
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: that you deal with.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's relentless, like you you might as well throw
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: your wardrobe out.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: You just get covered in like.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: We know Ted, I was really in fashion when I
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: had Sienna, and I was just walking around in tied
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I shirts because it would disguise a baby bomb. Hot tip.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Parents out there. Did you have any set plan on
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: when you would start returning to work and DJing.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think for multiple reasons. First being, I worked
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: for myself, so I didn't have much Mattley, Yeah, yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and I think at the time it was less. It
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: was twelve weeks or something. I think it's more now,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: so I needed to financially. But then I was really
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: determined to prove myself because you give up so much
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: of your identity when you have kids that I was
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: just desperate to keep functioning as Kop and you still
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: exist in that way. So it was yeah, a bit
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: of a combo of the two.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: How soon was your first gig?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I think it was about four months, Yeah, and so
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I did a tour around Australia where I took Sienna
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and everywhere I would go, I would take my mum
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: or a different friend. I would feed her in the
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: hotel room, go out, play a club, come back, feed her,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: go to sleep. It wasn't that far off the shitty
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: sleep schedule of having a few months old anyway, it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: kind of the same. You may as well go play
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: a nightclub.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Would you request, like an early set? Do I have
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to play?
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Are you going to be awake all night? Anyway? Sleep?
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Me going out and doing that for an hour was
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: just like refreshing.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: It would have been strange because when you have your
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: first child, you're kind of embracing this new image that
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: you have. Here are now mother, You're a parent, And
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming you can't go into a club and be like,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: hey everyone, I'm a mom now.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I struggled with that a little bit. I
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: feel like Hannah Montana a lot of the time, especially
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: when I'm going into a club and I'm with these
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: young eighteen year olds and I'm like, I could be
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: your mother.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I also just expressed and fed my.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Child, yeah, like, And I almost wish I'd documented it
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit more, but again, I was trying to
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: maintain my identity as kop so like I started a
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: separate Instagram account that does have the mom's side a
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: little bit more, and I could express that a little
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: bit more online and separate it because I didn't want
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: to alienate the ravers.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, okay, yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean it's they think it's cute and
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: they would say, oh, techno, mum, et cetera, which is cute.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: But then after a while you just want to be
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: able to relate because I feel like it's just almost
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: a decision that I have to make constantly of do
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: you look after, like what comes first? No, prioritizing your
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: kids or prioritizing me time. And it's just this constant
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: battle that I think parents, but in particular Mum's face
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: of giving themselves permission to say no, I need to
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: do this and this comes first. So I guess that's
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: just I mean, at the start, it's such a challenge.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Now I think I'm a little bit better at it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Like even just the other day, Nick was out for
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: a run because he's always running his new thing now,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: and he kind of got back and we were going
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: to a family thing and there wasn't enough time for
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: me to go and exercise, and I was like, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: really need to do something just for my body, but
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: my sanity. I either do that and I miss out
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: on doing this family thing, Like which one do I do?
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: And in the moment, I was like, I need to
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: just go and do this for myself and just having
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: to kind of make that decision. And I see it
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: all the time with friends where they don't do that,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: and then it's just so detrimental to their body and mind,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: and it's just like a constant thing that you have
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: to make that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Choice, and then the parent guilt afterwards.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we told a lot about you got to fill
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: your own cup. Yeah right, we talk about filling their
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: cup so much.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: And I see with April, like April gets so guilty
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: when she puts herself first, and you're putting yourself first.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Is actually really helping.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Us because like you're revitalized, you're full of endorphins, you're
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: doing your thing, and the kids they pick up that energy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I'm a better parent when I do that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: But it's also I think I heard this somewhere, probably
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: on a podcast, setting an example of like, first of all,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I like my job, so like I like working, and
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I feel I'm lucky that I do like my job,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: but that I will put myself first and say to
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: my kids and I know this is really hard, but
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: like I need to do this. And when you're grown up,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I hope that you prioritize the things that you need
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to do, even if that's like a little hard in
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: the moment, but it's just it gets a little bit easier,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: but it's just hard. It's hard to do that all
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: the time. The parent guilt is just crazy.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be some reason for while we have that
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: in our brains, like, fuck off guilt.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you didn't, if you could just
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: go and do your thing without any guilt, you kind
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: of dehumanize the whole thing a little bit. You're going
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: to I guess some sort of you know, am I
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: doing the right thing? But I think, like I said,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: if you're at that level, you're setting an example that
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: you can be. You love your job, you are in
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: you know, you're happier mom, you your energy is really high.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: They'll pick up and Nick is actually, to his credit,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: he's always been very encouraging that. Like when we agree
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: we're going to have kids, I remember writing it down.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: We had these little agreements and we had agreements we're
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: going to save up extra money for maternity leave, et cetera.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Because we didn't have much, and I was very much
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: it's fifty to fifty on everything, you know, down to
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: the hour at times, and he would be very encouraging
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: if he'd gone out and done something, or he'd played
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: a show or he'd been out with his mates, he'd
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: say you go, like go do it, and he'd say
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I would go. And I remember one time I was
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: like I had one up my sleeve, you know, I
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: could go do something. And I took myself to Broadway
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Camart because it was open, like really long hours, just
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: because I needed to go somewhere, and I was just like,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to keep making the decision and I
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: just walked around. It's actually amazing.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Was it like Akon and I and just wandering around.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: It's kind of cool.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Without a kid. Yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just had a long period of child free times.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Shout out that came out opening to like ten pm.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Parent came out like did you guys buy something the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: parents just walking around?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Did you take san gigs?
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: No?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: No, no big headphones?
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Yes. But when it was a festival it was at
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: five pm.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Or something, it's obviously a very different. Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So she came to a few gigs and then
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: she's been on stage a few times. And then now
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: that I have a kid's project, as well. She insists
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: on coming on stage. So it's yeah, it's funny.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: It was obviously like Fisher, for example, has a has Bobby.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: I was at a Fisher concert and he's got a
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: big picture of Bobby.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: In front of him.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so when he plays and it's like proud dad
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: and then he's just got all these eighteen year olds
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: in front of him, just like going nuts.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: And I do love that he talks about that so much.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: It's very different for a woman totally.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Like I would.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Honestly like when we first had kids. We would turn
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: up somewhere and Nick would be there with me. It'd
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: be my show, and people would say to him, oh,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: congrats on the new song or congrats on this, and
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: then to me they'd say who's got the baby and
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: that would be the question, or you know, they'd be
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: it is yeah, yeah, or they'd be like an interview
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: thing or I remember there was this one panel and
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I think he was asked to talk on this panel
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: about his music, and I was asked to talk on
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: it about being a woman and being a mom, et cetera.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: So that's the whole thing. It's like, I think women
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: want to lean into it as much as say Fisher does,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: but we're also trying to maintain that or hold onto
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: our identity away from being a mum, because we don't
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: want to just be defined by that. So yeah, I
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: mean I love that he does.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: That, though the double standards. For Fisher, it's like, oh,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that's so sweet and endearing, and then for a female performer,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they'd be like, you should be at home, Yeah, you
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: should be home and reading them bedtime stories.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's I mean, it's also why we started
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Diversity because that was an outlet that I could actually
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: involve my kids in and they could come to the shows.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: The songs could be directed at them, written about them,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: written for them. So it was very different. And I
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: guess that's a good thing about music is you can
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: write all styles and there's different audiences for every type
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: of music. So and luckily I now have daycare and school,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: so I have lots of time so I can make
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: different musical projects.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I got introduced to Diversity, and for any parents out
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: there who haven't listened to Diversity, it is fucking amazing.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Madow Kine invited me to twenty your gigs and I
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm sure, whatever Matt's involved in
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: is going to be good. But I was like, I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: hadn't taken Marley. This is a few years ago now,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I hadn't taken her to any gigs before, and I
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: was like, I don't know if you'll like it. Played
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: her a few songs beforehand, and she kind of enjoyed it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: But we went to I think those are the Comedy
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Club and Sippy and she was obsessed. And she is
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: going to be so annoyed that you're here in the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: house right now and she's not around with performing gigs
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to young kids.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Did you love it straight away? Yes?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: So, I mean we started diversity in COVID because Matt
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: and I had kids five days apart and we both
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: weren't working. You're just singing these stupid songs your kids
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: to try and get them to do things, and I
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: think just threw us chatting. Because we were good mates.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: The idea kind of came up and we eventually did
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: an album and we were never really even planning on
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: doing shows, but then we just thought it would be
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: fun to try out, and after the first show, we
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: were both hooked. Because it's like a cleanse of your
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: ego any you know, he's a serious actor now besides
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: the comedy stuff you know in TV shows, etc. And movies.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm, you know, doing this DJ thing where you're
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: trying to write music that's going to get played on
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the radio, and then you get up on stage and
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: you just say something like who loves cows, like the
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: dumbest stuff, and the kids are so hyped and it's
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: just refreshing because the stupider you are, the better and
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: it's just the kids love it. But then you can
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: also throw in these comments and this is where Matt
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: is so good, where you like, we do this one
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: bit where we at the very end of the show,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: we've got a song called Dance Silly, and we say,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: you know, the kids have been dancing really well, but
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the grown nuts have been letting the team down. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: so we get the kids to go and get their
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: grown up and then we get them to get all
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: of their silliness out of them, and then we're going
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: to say a magic word and go one, two, three,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: put their silliness into the grown up and then we
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: dance to dance Silly. And so we do this bit
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, Okay, Matt, we need a magic word
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: what's a magic word that's going to get grown ups
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: really excited? And he goes, oh, no taxes. Everyone's in
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: bed at seven o'clock. Like you can throw in these
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: things that go over the kids' heads that the parents
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: like and it's just really fun. So yeah, we just
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: did a run of shows and we did them at
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: bowling clubs. I don't know if you have a local
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: bowling club you go to, but the kids being able
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: to dance and then the parents being able to have
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: a beer.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Ah, is the best part about parenting when you can
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: all get together at a pub and the kids can
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: be like, do it being entertained in some capacity? Yes,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: you're watching those parents out there going you take you
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: care to a pub and then you're there with your
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: mates just like.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we do the work for you.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very smart.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: It's just so.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Fun, is it When you're writing songs, do you is
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: it the same hat or do you kind of trans
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: from like remove yourself from kop and then put your
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: diversity hat on because you're like, I'm not writing now
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: for these eighteen year old ravers, I'm writing for five
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: year old ravers.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Or is it the same process?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: It's the same process as far as just trying to
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: make something that feels good because I try and just
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: really tap into that. Now the older I get writing songs,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: but it's totally different because you're writing about I mean,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: we have a song about a sad piece of spaghetti
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: that gets left in the.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: It's a classic.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like nothing's really you can make a
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: song about anything with the kids really, and that our
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: songs start from voice memos where one of us will
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: voice memo.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I've got this idea. So if you've ever got ideas.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, picture to me.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Do we want to get Kope to sign any legal
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: letters before we piss this song?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know that worried about it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: If you make this song and I have nothing to
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: do with it, I'll be happy. Okay, it's out not
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: drinking the bath water.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, So.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: We went to Bali, my kid's bath.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: The whole time over there, we didn't bath, and we
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: washed them down. We showered so that they didn't drink
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: the bath water because you know how that ends. And
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: then as soon as we got back the first bath
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: I walked back in and makes you sucking on the washer.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's all I could hear.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: It was like, I don't drink, and I'm like everybody
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: is having that argument to just not.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Drink the bathroom.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: But you can make that funny. That's the beauty of
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: writing kids music. So it's and the way it would
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: kind of work is Matt usually comes up with something
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: like that, or I tell him an idea like that,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: he makes it really funny, and then I'd say, maybe
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: not that funny if he's putting in the boundaries, and
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: then make the music.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Because you drink the bath water, you'd get the ships.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, love Pooh, I mean we do. We don't
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: actually talk about Pooh yet. Maybe this is an undert.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: We do have one about going to the toilet, yes,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: and we do have personal favor we have. There's a
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: favorite line of Matts. He goes it's like all my
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: hardy people, Oh what is it? All my hardy people,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: all my arty people, all my farty uh something, all
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: my party people, all my there's some kind of farty lie. Yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: One time Maci did it was kind of like a
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: coffee reaction, but with bath water. Yeah, she took us
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: of bath water and shot the bath immediately, like it
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: just got to her and it was like they thought
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: it was fucking hilarious.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I had to clean it up.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: I'm in there up to here in the bath, like
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: get ship out of the bath.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: They love that ship.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: One thing that you guys are talking about before we
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: started recording was waffle stomp.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: It's not a diversity song, but it could be it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's disgusting.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: So here's the setting. The kid is in the bath
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: or the shower and they do poo and it's the
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: first time this has happened. No one teaches you the
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: correct way to remove the poo, and it's kind of
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: going down the drain a little bit, and you're like
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: kick it up or do I if it's kind of
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: going down, do you stomp it down? That's a waffle stump.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: That was my I just remember kind of laughing then
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: also going well your barefoot No, no, no, no, I
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: think no, not.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: You're in the shower on barefoot.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: I mean yeah, no, I think.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I maybe just like got a glove and was doing
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: it with a glove or something. But that's the thing,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: like what you just don't get taught those kind of things.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Well, when Macy did.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: A poo in the bath. I think it took a
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: photo and sentence to you. It was so hard that
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: it wouldn't waffle stops. I had to pick it up.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's better if you can just pick it up.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: But I think maybe the first time it happened, it
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: was separating everywhere, and then I was like, I can't
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: pick that up.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Separate.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was a kind of funny, funny challenge
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: that at the time was stressful, but then after the fact,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, that is just such a bizarre thing
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: that you have to deal with.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Laura and I were talking about wafflestomping when You're away
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: and we were just like, how did someone just come
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: up with that word wafflestop?
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Nick told me the word. I didn't know. I was
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: just explaining what I did, and he was like, oh,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: you're yeah, great.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: That could be a song the Waffleston do the wafflestock
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: What do the drop would be like on that.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: It'd be like something, don't drink their bath water. Don't
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: drink their bath.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: If you haven't listened to any diversity. And I'm not
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: just saying this and being polite because Kop is in
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: front of me it is amazing. It is so so
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: good we've been. There was a while there where I
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: was I was following you to a lot of gigs.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I was love me. I were both like, it's sorry
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, we write the music for grown ups and
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: little kids, because I think that was the other reason
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: why we started it is I just couldn't listen to
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: the same kids music over and over again.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Was faced with a couple of beers, old dance or
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: anything so great.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I recommend weekend Baby is a starting point for you.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Sweet that sounds that sounds like me? Weekend Baby. Yeah,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I did cry a lot on the weekends anyway.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Moving Is there anything that Marley and I know a
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: lot of parents must be like, my child is such
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: a performer.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: But Marley is such a performer.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: She shut on bearings do that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: She's she's really really talented, and she asked us about that.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: She will also listen to a song once and she
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: just learns the words so quickly.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: She just gets it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Is there anything that I can do without being like
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: a stage mom slash day I can do to encourage
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: that musical talent, which I know was there.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, we were just surrounded by music. Yeah, I
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: mean I learned flute when I was a kid. I
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: went to a performing arts high school. I just did
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: like the amount of driving around my parents did to
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: dancing and singing lessons and all of that stuff.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Give it a crack. I think she'd love it. We'll
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: be there. I wonder what he dances, funny, such a
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: supportive parent. He dances like my dad. It's god kop.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: One thing that we ask all, I guess to wrap
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: up an interview is what would you like your your
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: daughters Sienna and Monty to remember about the house that
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: they grew up in.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Hmmm? I would like them to remember it as a safe,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: but really fun place.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Is that a boring not at all wholesome?
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: I thought it would be like music fun, of course,
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: like you wanted to remember.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just being able to dance silly like we
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: do have dance Like we throw on music and we've
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: got a little light that flashes, and we often have
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: dance parties where we just dance around living.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Do the kids prefer your music or nix?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's mixed. But I'm definitely making more music these days,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: so they probably hear mine more. But they're harsh they're
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: really harsh critics.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: They don't Yeah, they don't really understand sarcasm and that
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: I don't understand what it's really like to be critically mean.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but they do. They like it. I mean,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Sienna is really into dance music. She always requests scrill
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: x rumble you know here, no yeah killers in the jungle.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: She requests that all the time.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: In the car as well. It's the best in the car.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: That's where she requests it. Yeah.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe again. My kids are all about yeah, Dave. I
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: was like at the documentary now it just sounds like
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a v G. Yeah, Kop, thank you so much.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me spending.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: The morning with us today. And we will put show
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: notes in this episode. So if you do want to
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: come along and check out Diversity or KAlP gigs, you can.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You can pick and choose. Yes, we'll put it in there.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: But thank you so much.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're my favorite part ash of this record with Kop.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: A little video. I made a mistake day.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I asked Kope to do a video for Mali and
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, make it for Mali.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Lola. You you got to put.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Lola in that.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You're a terrible parent.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Hey, if you want to check out Diversity tour dates
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: and music in the show notes.
• 49:49
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• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Please suggest any other parents, mom's, dad's grandparents, their father.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Couple of grannies. What's that? What?
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: What?
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: Just the way it came out of your mouth? It
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: didn't come out weird, but we'd love to hear from
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: them all. Let's get out of here.
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