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Fred and Rosemary West: The Worst Kind of Love & Spectrophilia · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Everyone is your killer country. My name is Brittany.
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  Ran the bunny is range winner and this is one Killers, get
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  caught the podcast of us, deep Dives, get to true.
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  If you're new here with those a Class III part podcast, where we
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  discuss true crime stories that resonated with us this week,
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  then will lead you down the path of a well-known or lesser known
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  killer and discuss their childhood lives methodology and,
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  of course how they got caught, then Brian will finish things
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  off with a paranormal palate, cleanser And before we start
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  this week, just want to let everybody know.
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  We still have a patreon and we now have well over 20 bonus
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  things. If you just want to take a look
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  at our merge WW1 coach, It caught dot shop is where you can
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  find it. Yeah, you know what I've been
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  actually thinking about adding like something else to the
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  patron. Maybe like a I was to maybe like
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  a movie night or something, we could do that.
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  Like that could be a lot of fun because I have that shudder
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  account and like, I watch it like you cuz I haven't I made my
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  own because your other one broke dude, working on my app.
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  Yeah, really it's no so works for me but yeah, it can be back
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  home. So I can cancel mine and not
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  have to beat Paying double a month.
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  I got you. I got you.
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  Oh yeah, yeah cuz I the shutter half.
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  I'm like, you know what? We can freaking watch movies.
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  Scary movies. Like I've been watching so many
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  movies, I'm sure I love it. There's a one I really watched
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  called we go on. That was incredible.
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  I was expecting it to be like, kind of making fun of the
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  Supernatural. And what I got was somebody who
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  was really like facing like death in a different way.
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  And then Experiencing what it was like to be haunted in a
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  totally different way that movies don't normally do.
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  That would be one. I would totally watch again with
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  anybody. I'll check it out, but we'll
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  figure it out. We'll see if we add to the
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  patriarch. Yeah, now this week in True
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  Crime I decide to find something that was a little more light and
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  fun because this week's Killers couple is pretty intense.
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  So I have a question for you. Brian, how far would you go for
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  mayonnaise? Like 20 feet to my fridge.
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  It's like I don't know maybe 10 feet and that's about it.
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  Maybe maybe. Do you think you would murder
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  somebody over me? Fuck no.
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  I mean I don't know how this happened in 2020 but the man in
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  trouble just got sentenced to life in prison so I'll explain
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  it all to you. So Christopher Earl Bakr who is
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  now 29 years old? Use his truck to run over Caleb
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  Solberg outside of the cafe in a small town of pigs got Des
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  Moines on December 17th. 20/20. Originally, he drove away and
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  then he came back and hit him two more times so that you have
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  been out drinking at this bar with another person who earlier
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  in the night and the City of Moorhead.
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  But things were a little weird when Earl Bakker.
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  Took mayo and spread it over his friends food, which made Solberg
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  really upset and they got into a fight.
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  So, I'm guessing because I have friends in my life who are Mayo
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  haters. Yeah.
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  And so this is right. Okay, so it's just if someone
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  kind of, I don't know like as a joke or something put mayo on
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  your sandwich and made you so angry.
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  You swung on them and yeah, I'd probably would be upset and I'd
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  be like, you know, you gotta buy me in your sandwich because I'm
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  Not eating this shit well, so they get into that fight at the
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  bar. And then, solberg's, like screw
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  you, I'm leaving. So he starts walking to the cafe
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  and Urlacher the one who started everything by the way, calls,
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  solberg's, half, brother Craig and it's just like, you better
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  deal with your brother. I'm gonna set his house on fire
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  and I'm going to shoot him. So they go to another, he went
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  to another like Barb called Dave's old home and they got
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  into like that's the cafe / like Lounge, please.
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  And that's when I guess he kind of like coax them outside for
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  another fight and then got in his car and just random over,
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  huh? Well actually before that
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  happened, he hit his car. Into Craig priors.
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  That was the brother-in-law who had come to help.
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  So the brother and not brother-in-law, right?
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  So he hit the brother's car and then, you know, invited the two
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  of them for a fight, then he hit Solberg and sober came out.
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  Like, what the hell? You just hurt my brother?
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  Or I'm he just hit his car but still that's real, a grub.
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  Yeah, and now that Solberg was outside.
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  He hit him with the truck but that didn't kill him.
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  It was the other two hits he might have survived, had he not
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  come back and hit him again and he just said that he had backed
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  over him, make sure. And so at that point, he would
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  have just been arrested for attempted murder.
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  But the essentially, the judge was like, the rather than just
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  leave you went down the street. Turnaround came back that are
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  multiple times to make sure you've completed the job.
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  Yeah, yeah, so he was convicted after a bench trial in December
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  of 2021 and he was sentenced to life in prison as of February
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  3rd. All because of a prank that you
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  started and you couldn't let it go.
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  No. Oh my God.
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  That's terrible. Wild.
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  I was like Mayo. I have lots of people in my life
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  who hate condiments. I'm just like if someone is so
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  just spreading me over my first of all, I'd gag like that and
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  then and then I killed Bobby to see which, like, or meet you. a
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  food ever, you have God. Also folks, hoping for a visual
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  podcast episode, I'm having a bad week because a pet is dying
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  and I am not in a place to get pretty today.
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  So it's only audio this week. But what's your story?
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  Okay, goddamnit. Brittany.
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  What you don't think that Mayo? Murders are funny.
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  Actually know I might make a tick tock and call it the mail.
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  Merge. My God.
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  No, it's funny. It's nothing.
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  Anyway. So okay I couldn't pick this
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  week so I have like two different stories.
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  Okay no you can't do that. I got two different.
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  Okay well they're both from Pennsylvania and love we
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  Pennsylvania news and they're both they both involve animals.
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  Okay, so the first one I'm just going to it's going to be quick.
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  So it maybe I just do the one because I like it.
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  Let's see, let's see. So some some woman in
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  Pennsylvania, she found some type of mystery animal, this is
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  in Pittsburgh and I guess what happened was Is that you know
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  goodness gracious. Sorry, she found his like this
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  animal like wandering around or something like that.
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  And like she'd. So she brings him and you know,
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  blah blah blah. Washes up and and, you know,
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  take care of it and she's like, she calls an animal shelter in
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  the, you know, and people are just like in the people are
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  coming to come, you know, pick it up here like What kind of
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  animal is this? And she's like, I think it's a
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  dog. I saw this one.
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  Did you? Nobody knows?
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  It is right? Yeah.
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  It's, it's, it looks like it has kind of like the face of a dog
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  but like that body. It just looks like, I don't
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  know. Maybe it's a shave dog or
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  something. I don't know.
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  The new story was that someone found the animal and nobody
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  would have knows what it is. Yeah, nobody knows what it is.
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  It's a mystery animal. That's funny.
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  Yeah, it like like, it looks like it might be of the caninus
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  genus, but it doesn't look like a dog.
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  It doesn't look like a dog. Like, did you see the picture of
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  it? I'm passing.
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  Okay, it looks it kind of looks like a coyote a little bit.
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  And like, it's weird because I guess when she said, when she
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  found, it was like, oh, whimpering and stuff.
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  Look all sad and blah, blah, blah.
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  I'm like, you know, I forget who, which animal it is like,
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  which canine it is. I think it's coyotes.
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  They eat like they like to trick people.
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  Okay. If we, I didn't know that is
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  they they like the trick. I think it's coyotes.
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  I like to trick people in so they can like get closer to them
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  and then it rip out their throats and it's like they
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  attack their small dogs, if they have dogs around the attack
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  those and it's just I forget I think I think it was Sarah's dad
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  who told me that I think it was I talked to him about it and
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  yeah it was and I mean that sounds like it just sounds like
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  ten pretending you're injured so that animal thinks you're weak
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  and then When do you usually come sounds?
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  It sounds pretty smart, actually.
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  We did just spend two weeks talking about Bundy, pretending
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  to be injured to get people to come over and help him.
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  Mmm. Is it true?
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  Oh, so I just read that it is escaped escaped.
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  What is Kate from the rescues, facility?
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  Wow, I don't know. It's an industry.
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  Like the mysterious mystery animal whose out elaborate
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  escape from Pennsylvania rescue facility.
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  Wow, I didn't realize it's happening.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it happened.
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  The news. I got was from Pittsburgh, I
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  think. it's A good little guy. Yes, he'll be free baby.
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  So these are you could like a DNA from him but like they could
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  write. That was what I remember they
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  couldn't. There was no DNA match for
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  something. We knew what it was.
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  Yeah and you know I guess they go to check on him one day and
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  he said gone. Because because they were kindly
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  calling is like a Cryptid now, is like the new Krypton.
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  That's wonderful. You should be so happy.
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  That's your thing. I know.
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  That's why I was talk. I want to talk about it because
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  I was like yo what if we have our new little coyote Cryptid?
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  Now listen this is now our New Jersey Devil, Dog.
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  Awesome. I love it.
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  Only this one doesn't People it just wants to be left alone.
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  Yeah, like every other animal I'm assuming we're Cryptid.
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  But yeah. Okay.
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  Well that's what I got. I like that.
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  I like this one that I could just, I like that one.
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  I'll stick with this one but but oh, also, I guess news alert if
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  you're in Danville, there might be like a couple of monkeys like
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  loose in the area that may have like, herpes.
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  I think it's herpes too. Oh no, ya don't touch the
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  monkeys and Danville and I was just up there.
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  The other day and I heard about this the other day I was like I
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  was just up there because there's a car at there's a, I
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  guess, a truck accident and they were holding the monkeys and it
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  just went off the road and yeah. Monkeys were killed and then
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  some monkeys got away so there yeah he's in the woods in the
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  north so just be careful. Yep.
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  I think they might freeze to death.
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  Yeah, yeah that's true. That's what they're thinking
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  too. Well, okay, so here's the thing.
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  I had planned out killer couples a little while ago, and I
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  completely forgot when February started, so that's why we're
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  starting in the second week of February.
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  That Godless. this week's episode is about one of the
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  worst Duo's we've ever discussed and they were from the UK, they
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  raped tortured and killed at least 12 young women over the
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  course of 20 years in gloucestershire England, Well,
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  to be fair, Fred started in 1967 but his wife didn't start until
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  1973 outside of the Moors murders.
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  They're probably the most infamous couple in UK history,
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  and I talked about the wife of this Duo.
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  When I talked about the Moors murders with Myra hindley,
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  Hinckley, because Rosemary was and Myra were in the same
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  hospital and according to a documentary in 2020, apparently,
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  the two had a relationship. They Seen as like prison royalty
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  and now they actively hate each other and have the relationships
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  over. That's according to the
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  documentary. But for the weak of stomach, I
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  totally understand if this is too much for anyone listening
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  because this is very similar to the Moors murders episode.
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  It strange that those two women would end up in the same prison
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  because they did the same thing to young people.
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  But we're going to start with the older of our killers and
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  really the one who started things Fred West, so, Frederic
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  Walter, Stephen West was born, September 29th, 19, 18, 19, 41,
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  and Hereford should perish of much Markle, which is for my
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  non-uk this year. It's about two and a half hours,
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  west of London, because most of us in the states, don't know
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  anything other than like that. At the time, much Mark will only
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  had about 700 people living in it.
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  And that was about two years. Before I was born this time
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  periods, really important because it does anybody.
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  Remember what happened in 1939. No, I suck with dates.
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  That's okay. World War Two, which greatly
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  affected? All of England.
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  Starting 1939 and went to 1945. So he was born in the middle of
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  this conflict. In fact, the most exciting thing
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  that happened before the world learned of Fred West.
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  In a much Markle, was a landslide that happened in 1575
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  Very small town. It's a beautiful.
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  Apparently, a beautiful place to go to these like huge giant
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  Green Pastures, core Fields, Orchards full, apples, and pear
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  trees. Hops fields for making beer,
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  nice place to go live. If you weren't there when, Fred
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  West was there, Now, his parents Walter Steven and Daisy Hannah
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  met in 1939. Just before the great second war
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  started, Walter left school at 11 to work on his family's Farm,
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  which have been doing for decades.
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  He was recently widowed and just attending a fair, the Marco fair
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  to raise his spirits. When he met Daisy, she was 16
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  and he was 25. They had a nice day at the fair
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  board for a bit and then got married, January 27th, 1942 you
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  got pregnant pretty fast but she lost the Maybe filing 1840.
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  Fred was our second child and the first to live to term and
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  both of them were very excited. This baby was like they're
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  shining Joy. Daisy was known to like not let
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  him sleep in his crib and she would bring as she called him,
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  Freddy back into their bed to sleep with the parents.
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  Now, quite jogging lie, even with how bad things were
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  financially during and after World War Two and the UK Walter
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  Daisy went on to have six more children, five survived.
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  So, it'd be a total of fried John Daisy, Douglas Kitty and
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  okay. Now, when the farm when they
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  were still running the farm, they were keeping animals.
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  But eventually they had to sell all of that just to survive.
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  Because there were a lot of just For everything was more
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  expensive during award kind of like what we're going through
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  right now in the US. One of the biggest issues and
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  piecing together, friends, history, is that once he got
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  caught, he began telling people in astonishing detail that he
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  had been abused and assaulted and harm and his family was
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  like, no, no, that didn't happen.
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  And it looked like he went real into detail about some real
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  horrible stuff so I'll start by telling you the truth is we know
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  II then I'll let you in on the world from Friends Eyes.
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  One thing we know is that the family was super close.
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  Dad was strict. Mom was very overprotective to
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  the tune of like nobody can keep till they're 21.
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  That kind of thing which is weird because she got married
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  and dated when she was 16 but whatever, you know, I guess it's
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  like a I don't don't follow in my footsteps kind of thing I
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  guess. Now.
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  In 1946, the family moved into pretty much there forever, come
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  called, more Court Cottage on more cart Farm.
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  The farm was owned by Walters boss, Frank Brooks and Walters
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  job was milking the animals that down time helping with the
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  Harvest in the fall, even though it was called the cottage.
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  It was just a regular house and it wasn't a really big one
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  because they were a family of eight with only three bedrooms.
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  There was no indoor plumbing, the family went in a bucket and
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  that bucket was dumped in a sewage pit, every morning.
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  They took baths in a big tin Basin.
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  Once a week rats were constant issue and frequently.
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  Mom, Daisy would grab Dad shotgun and shoot them when she
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  saw them in the fields. This was something the children
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  kind of remembered almost fondly.
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  Mom shooting the racks friends easily, his mother's favorite.
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  As I said, he was a rainbow baby, he was Untouchable if he
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  got in the fight with his siblings.
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  She took a side, even in front of her husband, Daisy.
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  Favorite fried, and because of his constant spoiling, Fred was
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  really introverted shy, and well, kind of boring which
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  didn't help him in school. He was also the dirty kid.
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  You know what kid, I'm talking about that kid at school, who's
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  always kind of dirty. And you wonder Is he being taken
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  care of? Yeah, and I know the kid.
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  Well, here's the thing. Daisy bought him.
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  The nicest clothes out of all the other kids, but he always
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  came home soiled and I'm sure she was just like, what are you
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  doing? It's cool.
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  Well, I'll tell you Fred was a terrible student, and he got bad
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  scores all the time. So people made fun of him for
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  being stupid, they made fun of him for being dirty.
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  His school believed in spanking kids.
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  So at 8 years old, when he would get bad grades, he would get
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  caned, then he would go home and tell his mom.
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  And in the beginning, Daisy would go down to the school and
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  she would get into arguments with the teachers about his
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  scores and the punishment. And so it became a thing where
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  like Daisy would show up in these like big like flower
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  dresses and she would, like, yell at the teachers and that
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  did not at all help. The bullying, they kids saw him
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  as like a mama's boy, they made fun of him for that.
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  So one of the reasons why he was getting real dirty is because
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  he's getting into a lot of fights.
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  And then on top of that Daisy, kind of well she stopped going
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  out of the school. In fact, she kind of Began to
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  resent the fact that Fred just wasn't very bright.
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  Now, outside of school, the kids were expected to work on the
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  farm. After school every weekend, this
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  was how they kind of earned their pocket.
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  Change household. Chores did not get the many,
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  many different times. A year is a different thing.
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  Summer was picking Fruit, Harvest was the Harvest but also
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  rabbit hunting season because apparently the rabbits were
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  outrageous in the entire town. So this became like a town thing
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  and pretty much they all went out killed a bunch of rabbits
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  and then they shared the meat across the community.
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  Winter allowed for more fun, for the kids sledding playing in the
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  snow spring. Of course was planting time.
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  Fred really only had his siblings for friends and the
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  cottage was actually kind of on the edge of town, so he wasn't
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  like around a lot of kids that, like, you know, played outside
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  like they used to do, they were sort of isolated from the rest
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  of the village. Now, here's where the two
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  stories, just forked in dramatic ways, Fred says that his doting,
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  mother was his first sexual experience, incest was common in
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  the west home. Fred said the same thing that
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  Happened when he was a kid as what he did in his own home.
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  He said that Daisy took the boys and Walter took the girls.
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  This, of course, is not been corroborated by anyone in the
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  family, but a lot of people in town thought that Daisy was
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  really close to her son. Fred also told the police when
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  he got caught later on in his 40s that his dad was very into
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  bestiality. Wow.
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  Damn. now, outside of that Freud said that his Experiences were
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  sex, were very typical of the time.
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  It happened in the fields around more Cottage, she called them,
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  the fumbling sex games, which involve this is so wild because
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  I've never heard of this in my life.
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  Just a heads up. You know, we talk about sex as a
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  roll in the hay. These kids were actually doing
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  rolling and we're diving into the hay pile and touching
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  anything and everything. My God, it was that he never he
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  He said, he never bothered to learn the age or the identity of
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  the girls who were in The hey vial with him.
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  But that it was excited. This isn't so fun and all Hayes
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  like doesn't is Hast Not Crash. Yeah, he's not fun to play it.
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  That's how I feel, but maybe not here.
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  Either way. Couple years later, Fred decides
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  he's going to leave school. He didn't even take his final
• 24:11
  exams. In the UK.
• 24:14
  They have like, Primary School, Secondary School University.
• 24:20
  Secondary doesn't quite line up with, like, high school for us,
• 24:23
  but generally, it's kind of where you make a decision.
• 24:25
  Am I gonna go to college? Am I gonna go to trade school?
• 24:29
  And then, if you're going to go to trade school, you could go to
• 24:31
  a special school that helps you. that we used to have that in the
• 24:35
  u.s. now we don't Which allowed kids to learn trades and stuff.
• 24:42
  And then if you thought you were heading towards more of a
• 24:45
  university experience, you would go to official Secondary School
• 24:48
  versus trade school, regardless. He didn't even really finish
• 24:51
  primary school, he didn't even take his final exams at the end
• 24:54
  of what we would call, like Middle School, just like his dad
• 24:59
  for. I could barely write or read.
• 25:01
  The only thing he was exceptionally good at was Art
• 25:04
  and he could draw these like Photo realistic things.
• 25:06
  Just by looking at them, he had actually taken a woodshop glass
• 25:10
  on a whim right before he left school, and he learned that he
• 25:12
  was really good at it. He makes tools and benches and
• 25:16
  take them to his mom for her approval.
• 25:18
  And she thought they were nice, but Once he quit school, his mom
• 25:24
  was like, you didn't learn how to make anything out of that
• 25:26
  French and where poor baby did job.
• 25:29
  Fred. Yeah, it sucks.
• 25:39
  Yeah, I gotta tell ya, British school system way cooler than
• 25:42
  ours. I believe it honestly, every
• 25:44
  country is way better than us. So much very true.
• 25:54
  I think it's so smart that they like start narrowing the kids
• 25:59
  interests as they get older because for us they just it's
• 26:04
  the whole time. It's like a broad liberal arts.
• 26:08
  Program, and then it's just like, all right, make your mind.
• 26:11
  Now you're 18. And I'm like, well, if you'd
• 26:14
  been giving me time to look into this stuff, I could have
• 26:16
  learned. Maybe I don't with me, I want to
• 26:18
  be a doctor, but I don't really want to be a doctor because, you
• 26:20
  know, I got to take some extra science classes and I'm like,
• 26:23
  wow, this sucks but regardless either way for us to go to work,
• 26:30
  so he joined his dad on the more Court farm with their landlord,
• 26:36
  this pretty crappy work, And they pretty much gave Fred the
• 26:40
  crappiest jobs that nobody wants to.
• 26:42
  It was perfect for the grown-ups who were like, huh, we don't
• 26:45
  want to clean the Stalls for the horses.
• 26:47
  You do that? France at the highlight of his
• 26:50
  day at Bridges Farm, which is one of the other firms that he
• 26:53
  worked at with the men. Was that a lot of young local
• 26:57
  girls walked by and he would just stand there and watch them
• 26:59
  on a job school. Oh God.
• 27:02
  Yeah, that 1957 was probably 16. His younger brother John 15,
• 27:07
  quit school joined them on the farm working which is the same
• 27:10
  year where Walter was trying to fix a chapter and it fell on
• 27:14
  him, it actually permanently ruptured, one of dad's lungs And
• 27:18
  he probably would have died had his sons, not been there and
• 27:22
  picked it up enough, and we're talking like maybe a few inches
• 27:26
  for him to get out from under it.
• 27:33
  Walter is now severely limited in what he can do.
• 27:36
  He still working but he also spends a lot of time at home
• 27:38
  just resting. He's not as strict with the
• 27:41
  boys. So they now spend their weekends
• 27:47
  in the nearby town of ledbury, which hasn't movie theater and
• 27:50
  coffee shops. There was this place called the
• 27:53
  ledbury youth club and wasn't much to look at.
• 27:55
  It was really rundown have busted windows, kids played loud
• 27:58
  music and they constantly got reported.
• 28:01
  But the thing was, they weren't even doing drugs.
• 28:03
  They were just drinking coffee and soda and playing pool.
• 28:05
  We receive them know they were inside of a building.
• 28:09
  Oh, it was an old building but It was kind of run-down but like
• 28:16
  as far as places where teenagers hang out, they weren't getting
• 28:20
  into trouble. So it's better than nothing.
• 28:22
  True, true, well at 16. Well, going to the club, Brett
• 28:28
  starts dressing better, he would shave and he would comb his hair
• 28:32
  and wear clean clothes and he became like one of the better
• 28:37
  looking young boys at the club which should have helped him
• 28:42
  with the whole girl thing buddy. Did Because he was very rude and
• 28:46
  very crude. He would just go up to a girl
• 28:49
  grabbed her by the arm and dragged her over to the Shadows.
• 28:52
  He didn't care if she liked him or if she had a boyfriend.
• 28:54
  In fact he liked it better when she had a boyfriend because he
• 28:57
  wanted this dealer. Which, of course, started
• 29:00
  fights, and John would step in and defend his brother.
• 29:04
  Now during this time, you know, for its work in and he's making
• 29:07
  a man's wage. So the little he gave a little
• 29:11
  bit to his family, but he starts saving up for a motorcycle.
• 29:14
  His mother hated the idea, so she made him promise, if you
• 29:20
  have a crash at all, you have to sell it.
• 29:25
  He agrees and on his 17th birthday, he gets his
• 29:29
  motorcycle. He used it to show off
• 29:32
  immediately he park it outside the club and walk in on November
• 29:37
  28, 1968 while riding home. What do you think happens?
• 29:42
  He had a crash you. Damn right.
• 29:44
  He collided with a girl who was on a bicycle and was heading
• 29:48
  home. The road was completely dark and
• 29:50
  there were a lot of potholes so maybe it wasn't his fault.
• 29:56
  They both went flying off their vehicles.
• 29:59
  A day laborer from Bridges, Farm actually left to go home and
• 30:03
  found both the teens lying in the dark, the girl had scrapes
• 30:06
  and he was able to kind of like, wake her up and be like, hey
• 30:09
  you. All right.
• 30:10
  Friday is bleeding profusely out cold.
• 30:14
  They have to get an ambulance, the ambulance, assesses him, and
• 30:17
  they go. We can't handle him at the local
• 30:20
  small hospital. They need to go.
• 30:22
  They just sent him to Hereford. So, one of Fred's Friends shows
• 30:27
  up in the morning and Moorpark Cottage was like his work boots
• 30:31
  and his like broken helmet and gives them to his family and
• 30:35
  they're like, yeah, he's in the big city Hospital.
• 30:38
  Oh my God, Jay Z goes to the hospital in tiers and actually
• 30:43
  Walter goes over to the girl's family to apologize for a
• 30:46
  friend. As I think Walter was like, this
• 30:50
  was probably your fault. Let me go say something to their
• 30:52
  parents. Now if I was unconscious for
• 30:57
  week, he describe this experience.
• 30:59
  As coming back from the dead on top of hitting his head.
• 31:02
  He was covered in bruises and cuts broken bones.
• 31:05
  He told people for the rest of his life, there was a metal
• 31:07
  plate in his head, one of his arms, never healed properly, his
• 31:10
  nose at gotten broken and one of his legs.
• 31:12
  He the mental a metal brace. That even after the metal cast
• 31:16
  came off, he walked with a limp. Now while he's recovering, we're
• 31:22
  talking here like months. He's got to stay in the house.
• 31:28
  House. And it's driving him crazy.
• 31:30
  Having Daisy. Just don't over him the entire
• 31:33
  time. So as soon as he is safe to get
• 31:39
  out, He's like, I got to leave. I got my boy.
• 31:44
  That would be what he needs. That's right.
• 31:46
  Or his future wife. Catherine Brenna Bernadette
• 31:49
  Estella Brandon was from cos Scotland and 16 in 1960 when I
• 31:55
  was also a bit of a bad girl and she was often in trouble with
• 31:58
  the law she could get arrested since she was 11 years old.
• 32:01
  And in 1960, she moved to live with her family in England
• 32:05
  because her family in Scotland, hoped that maybe a change of
• 32:09
  scenery would help. Ah, Fred seeing her out about
• 32:15
  tried to woo her with allies about how bad boy, how bad of a
• 32:19
  boy. He was, but truly, what bonded
• 32:22
  this couple was that she found friends.
• 32:25
  Crude sexual interest to be a sign of affection.
• 32:29
  She hadn't had a lot of affection for life.
• 32:33
  That's just, that's just sounds weird what I mean?
• 32:36
  Right? So what normally turn the other
• 32:37
  girls off like him? Make him like nasty little sex
• 32:40
  jokes. Yeah, she wasn't bothered by
• 32:42
  that. She was like wow he likes me.
• 32:44
  Oh, how so Charming? Oh my God.
• 32:47
  But you started having sex things, got real intense.
• 32:50
  So the point where she tattooed Fred's name on her, after months
• 32:59
  of her family in England, being like, can you not?
• 33:04
  They were like, you know what, go back to Scotland, Run a So
• 33:09
  she had to move back home. Get your head together, right.
• 33:15
  During this time, Fred started showing interest in the younger,
• 33:19
  girls in the city and then one night when he was at the club,
• 33:26
  He was on the outdoor, like step, scaffolding thing, he
• 33:29
  grabbed the wrong girl, because she turned around and popped
• 33:34
  him, he lost his balance and fell 20 feet to the ground, am
• 33:39
  sustaining his second major head injury and under two years.
• 33:42
  How are you not dead buddy or at least in the hospital?
• 33:46
  Well, he came out of this coma and just 24 hours but he came
• 33:48
  out of it angry and irritable and he would lash out very
• 33:52
  quickly and for the first time people were like just he have
• 33:56
  some kind of yes yes he does. Fried also like after this just
• 34:02
  started doing some outright illegal stuff and he went to
• 34:06
  court for stealing in April 1961 for stealing a gold watch strap
• 34:10
  and to cigarette cases with another boy, then in June.
• 34:14
  Of 61 now. Mind you I'm going to say this
• 34:17
  rhino left, like Christmas like before.
• 34:20
  Like we're Before Christmas in 60.
• 34:23
  Okay. Hmm.
• 34:25
  They pull cried in front of the court.
• 34:28
  This time for a much worse reason, having sex with a 13
• 34:31
  year old girl and have been going on for about six months.
• 34:35
  Oh my God. Wait she left him, wait a
• 34:37
  second. So she laughed and he started
• 34:40
  having sex with the 13th as well.
• 34:41
  See this mathy math and as soon as she left, oh God.
• 34:49
  Well, the other issue now, this, this trial goes absolutely
• 34:53
  crazy. First, the issue is that the
• 34:58
  girl is Fred sister katiewest. Mmm, that's younger.
• 35:04
  Sister. Also Fred yelled at the
• 35:07
  Constable during his trial, and he was completely nonchalant
• 35:12
  about it. And, in fact, Fred's mom super
• 35:17
  upset because it's a sister police.
• 35:19
  The school social workers, get involved.
• 35:21
  And when they interview Fred, he's like, I've been doing this
• 35:24
  for years and then He legit goes, doesn't ever go to do
• 35:27
  this? You didn't seem to care at all
• 35:31
  as they arrest him for carnal, knowledge of a child.
• 35:34
  No sir, not. Everybody does this a small tiny
• 35:40
  minority does and we don't we don't accept that.
• 35:46
  Well, we have the issue that now he has this charge against him
• 35:50
  because the when they first poem in front of court, it's just,
• 35:53
  you know, figuring things out asking questions this time
• 35:56
  though. They're like, oh, so they
• 35:58
  charged him with carnal knowledge of a child.
• 36:01
  He's going to get fined bare minimum but he's probably going
• 36:04
  to be worse and then days, he's like, you can't stay with us
• 36:07
  anymore. And this is the moment where
• 36:11
  Frank felt like his family abandoned him, because nobody
• 36:14
  else would talk to him, Kitty ended up having an abortion,
• 36:19
  they set an official trial for November of 1961.
• 36:24
  Fried quit the farm and goes to work in construction, got caught
• 36:29
  and find for stealing their, he was getting into constant
• 36:32
  trouble with women in town. Another girl, claimed that Fred
• 36:36
  raped her, but she wished to be nameless, November 1961, just
• 36:42
  after he turns, 20 years old, his trial begins Katie refuses
• 36:45
  to testify against him, but strangely enough Daisy agrees to
• 36:49
  be his defense Witness She discussed with the defense
• 36:53
  attorney, the multiple head injuries, and the port of fleas.
• 36:58
  And with no evidence from Kitty a second, he moves into his aunt
• 37:04
  and uncle's house at. There's so many people in this
• 37:07
  story named Daisy. I'm just letting you know, roses
• 37:10
  mom is named. Daisy Fred's mom's name, Daisy,
• 37:13
  his aunt and uncle live a Daisy Cottage, currently Daisy, real
• 37:16
  popular name, and the 60s. Everybody's everybody?
• 37:19
  And everything is Daisy. Got it.
• 37:20
  Everybody was Daisy. After about a year of him, kind
• 37:25
  of being, I guess. Like What do you call that?
• 37:28
  I do. I want to see isolated but
• 37:31
  ousted from his family, maybe invite him back to more Court,
• 37:34
  cottage summer of 1962 and that same summer.
• 37:38
  His old girlfriend, run a custo on those back to town.
• 37:41
  They ran into each other at her job at a cafe and Library Brenna
• 37:45
  had gone back to her old life of crime.
• 37:48
  And while she was gone, she got him convicted of attempted
• 37:50
  burglary at 16 and served 17 months in the prison kid prison.
• 37:56
  Regardless she was real. Least in May of 1962 which was
• 37:59
  when she had an affair with an Asian man, who was a bus driver
• 38:03
  got pregnant. And when she realized he wasn't
• 38:05
  going to stay with her, she came back to England.
• 38:09
  Fred win her back but he didn't really want her mixed-race baby.
• 38:14
  So he was like why you let me abortive abort this baby?
• 38:18
  So we can save money and they actually brought like another
• 38:21
  kid who got freaked out and like told the police and the police
• 38:25
  arrive before he could do anything.
• 38:27
  Okay, great. And my opinion before he could
• 38:30
  probably murder her accidentally.
• 38:35
  Instead, they got married, they pretty much waited long enough
• 38:38
  for Fred to turn 21, which was the age of majority in the UK
• 38:43
  and they got married in secret. Number 17, 1962, Brenna wore
• 38:47
  blue. Her hair was bleached white.
• 38:49
  Fred wore a suit jacket that was too big for them.
• 38:52
  And their only guest was younger brother, John to be there with
• 38:56
  us. Same day, Daisy found out
• 38:59
  because John can't keep a secret.
• 39:02
  She wasn't really excited about it but Walter was like he's
• 39:04
  grown leave him alone. And and so she's like fine!
• 39:09
  Y'all two can stay at the cottage for a few nights after
• 39:12
  the wedding. It was still super packed though
• 39:15
  so they can't. They packed up their stuff after
• 39:18
  a couple nights moved into a small flat in the city of coke
• 39:21
  bridge. And I hope by now with all of us
• 39:23
  watching International TV, we know that a flat is an
• 39:26
  apartment. This marriage, not so good.
• 39:33
  Fred was the same as they were when he, when they were teens,
• 39:37
  he wanted sex at random times. It was super rough.
• 39:39
  Bang, bang, bang. He's done.
• 39:42
  Run at old friends and even though they were married, it
• 39:44
  felt like she was being raped when she was like when she was a
• 39:47
  teen prostitute in Scotland and homeless.
• 39:51
  Yeah, Fred enjoyed making her cry.
• 39:54
  He would like pinched her really hard to hear her scream.
• 39:56
  He wanted to tie her up but she was like, absolutely not.
• 40:00
  Years later, he bragged about saying that he was the one who
• 40:05
  got her working as a prostitute again.
• 40:08
  And that she would leave a girl in his bed for him.
• 40:11
  While she was out working and that he made lots and lots of
• 40:14
  money being her pain. Which is really weird because
• 40:17
  apparently he likes that she did it.
• 40:19
  But he got jealous and angry that she was sitting with other
• 40:22
  men and Punisher Yeah, it's no surprise.
• 40:27
  He was abusive. Yeah, he hit her at the
• 40:30
  slightest annoyance. Now March 22nd 1963.
• 40:35
  Mark Rena has her baby girl. No one knew about this other
• 40:41
  than Fred. So people were very surprised to
• 40:45
  see this baby with very obvious Asian features.
• 40:49
  Rhino was worried about the West family.
• 40:51
  So she told them that she miscarried and I've had been
• 40:53
  Asian child in the hospital and need of a home and they adopted
• 40:56
  her, and they named her sure me. Carol Mary Mary was run as
• 41:01
  mostly just like that, but in a daze.
• 41:04
  Yeah huh, just like that. Huh.
• 41:06
  Yeah. We just started a new baby.
• 41:08
  Thank the letter to Daisy, was probably Fred's idea because he
• 41:13
  was embarrassed that she had given birth to another man's
• 41:15
  child. Bride did not like this baby
• 41:18
  that you Actually separated after they she gave birth.
• 41:21
  But by Christmas 63, they were back together.
• 41:24
  Visiting more Court Cottage. Fred was bragging about how much
• 41:30
  money he was making. He wore silk shirt talked, to
• 41:36
  himself up that he was pretty much a drug dealer and a pimp.
• 41:39
  The reality was that they had moved to Glasgow Scotland to try
• 41:44
  and make the relationship work and Fred worked for mr.
• 41:49
  Whippy ice cream and he drove an ice cream truck in the good
• 41:52
  weather and then he'd sell cigarettes and drinks and chips
• 41:55
  when it got cold. So that is what he was doing.
• 41:59
  He was not a big-time pimp or drug dealer like he pretend he's
• 42:03
  a scream Hint. It was an ice cream.
• 42:07
  Regardless, they go back to Glasgow after Christmas and in
• 42:10
  1964 Runner gets pregnant and has another baby.
• 42:13
  This baby was named Anna Marie. Fried was obsessed with this
• 42:18
  child, who looked exactly like him and he treated Charmaine
• 42:21
  like she was garbage. The family ended up moving to
• 42:25
  McClellan Street and you're kidding Park and Fred was said
• 42:28
  to have a lot of tryst with women in Glasgow, and many years
• 42:32
  later, he straight-up told people.
• 42:34
  I don't know how many of my kids are in Scotland.
• 42:38
  Damn, right. I learned about this and
• 42:40
  decided, since he was being awful, she could be terrible to.
• 42:44
  So, she started dating another guy Fred caught her with this
• 42:48
  guy, his name was John McLaughlin, and even though he
• 42:52
  punched her, Like, when he pulled her away from John, this
• 42:57
  did not stop. And in fact, John tattooed her
• 43:01
  name on his wrist took a tattoo gun crossed Fred's name out and
• 43:06
  wrote his own. Now, Fred internalized, this
• 43:12
  rage. And I think this is really
• 43:14
  interesting. So, remember that accident where
• 43:15
  he ran directly into a girl, he was a child, right, well, 1965.
• 43:22
  He runs a strain to a three-year-old.
• 43:28
  In his van, his work van apparently, at the time,
• 43:30
  accidents with kids, in Vans were very high.
• 43:32
  I think you remember that, like, in the 90s in the States because
• 43:35
  of SUVs and how high they were people kept rolling over their
• 43:38
  kids. So that's why they put all those
• 43:40
  cameras on there or the sounds that when you were close to
• 43:42
  something with you didn't eat. So I guess they're making the
• 43:45
  comparison. Like what happened here in the
• 43:47
  states in the 90s that was happening in the 60s.
• 43:50
  Like people can't see because these buffers are so high, it
• 43:53
  was an accident. It gets cleared by the police,
• 43:56
  but the locals are like you kill the kid.
• 44:01
  So they move back to March Markle.
• 44:04
  And back in with his parents. Now, there are 11 adults and
• 44:09
  five kids in the house because some of his siblings had got
• 44:12
  married and had kids to God. They were like Fred had no money
• 44:18
  so Brenda actually traveled back to Scotland for work well Fred
• 44:21
  tried to get a job in England. Their relationship just got
• 44:25
  worse back in Scotland, Run it and John get closer.
• 44:28
  And at one point when I came back, too much Marco and tried
• 44:31
  to take her kids back with her for friends.
• 44:33
  Wouldn't know Fred wouldn't allow it, he even punched
• 44:36
  McLaughlin, but like, sorry fraction like this was a fight
• 44:41
  that happened in front of the house, right?
• 44:43
  Friday is holding onto Charmaine like Like vice grip in his arm,
• 44:49
  McLaughlin punches him, but he still won't let go and he
• 44:52
  straight up tells Rena. If you come back here, I'm gonna
• 44:55
  kill you sometimes, while in much Marco, he meets a girl
• 44:59
  named Anna McDowell and pretty much, I'm gonna be really
• 45:03
  honest. He used Anna for sex and to
• 45:05
  watch his kids for Anna. She thought she was alone.
• 45:09
  She wrote her family, these like long letters and interestingly
• 45:14
  enough after Franklin. Scott, he said that Anna was his
• 45:18
  first and only love but he sure didn't treat her very well.
• 45:23
  Like pretty like they lived in. Okay?
• 45:26
  This is really so the UK word for this is a caravan or Caravan
• 45:29
  town. It's kind of the equivalent of
• 45:31
  like an RV town or like a Yeah, I would say more like RV camp
• 45:38
  versus a trailer park because the cars things can move
• 45:42
  regardless okay kind of like a trailer parks last RV camp
• 45:45
  regardless though that's where friends living in this Caravan
• 45:49
  community. And in a 16 and pretty much
• 45:54
  trying to take care of Fred's two kids, it's not the best
• 45:57
  situation in 1966 run a comes back for her children.
• 46:01
  She had asked people to come with her but everybody was busy.
• 46:04
  She picked up her kids from Anna, went to a different
• 46:06
  Caravan Park to get away from him, and Well, this is the
• 46:12
  moment when Runner realized that one of her friends, Anna, it was
• 46:16
  dating her husband. Yeah.
• 46:20
  When she went to Fred's place and saw Anna staying there, Like
• 46:25
  I said in a 16-0 run us a little older but I guess they knew each
• 46:29
  other regardless Rena gets kind of angry and she steals some of
• 46:36
  Anna's things in spite and left and went back to Scotland where
• 46:41
  the police rested her and November of my 30 1966 and she
• 46:46
  was convicted November 29th, 1966, and give him probation
• 46:50
  because she pretty much like, bagged the court, please, don't
• 46:54
  leave my children with Fred. I don't know what he's gonna do
• 46:56
  to them. And pretty much, he's
• 46:59
  effectively homeless. So, they agree to allow her to
• 47:04
  not to essentially, like, hold her sentence.
• 47:08
  She just gets probation, honestly.
• 47:10
  She only stole a couple of things like why you don't put
• 47:12
  this lady in jail, spring of 1967 Ana's pregnant.
• 47:17
  She's super happy. She tells her mom.
• 47:19
  We're going to get married. We moved into a nice house.
• 47:22
  All lies. Anna was last seen alive.
• 47:25
  July of 1967. She went missing from a
• 47:28
  Caribbean Camp called the Timberlands where they've been
• 47:31
  living bread denied, killing her until the day he died.
• 47:35
  Well, he did. However, meant was that he
• 47:37
  dismembered her and buried her and thank her post field and
• 47:40
  temporally near the village of much more coal remains.
• 47:44
  Yep. He says she just died and he
• 47:47
  chopped her up because it was easier to bury a body was
• 47:50
  chopped up that doesn't that sir that Is how the kids say.
• 47:55
  Sus her remains were found on June 7th 1994.
• 48:04
  This is well, after the West, get caught and people start
• 48:09
  naming dumpsites. She was eight months pregnant
• 48:13
  when she died. Rena unaware of this lose back
• 48:21
  to England and to a different Caravan cap at the end of 1967
• 48:25
  and somehow frag weasels his way back into her life and they
• 48:28
  start with a live together all through 1968, it worked because
• 48:32
  Fred was a day laborer and it was real hard work.
• 48:35
  I mean, pretty much that you're a day laborer or you're just
• 48:37
  showing up at a construction site in there.
• 48:38
  Like, do this, do this, do this. He would be at work all day.
• 48:43
  He come home sleep, wake up, go to work.
• 48:45
  So he there was no time to be cruel to run out.
• 48:51
  Though, sometimes he would leave for work early and he would
• 48:53
  spend time and got cancer and just sit and like drink coffee
• 48:57
  at a cafe but you know, that's not the worst thing that could
• 49:00
  happen. Except for the fact that the
• 49:04
  cafe is where he met 15 year-old Mary Baskerville.
• 49:07
  Who went missing January 6 of 1968, lasting waiting at a bus
• 49:11
  stop on Bristol, Road, at 7:15 p.m. this was a major case,
• 49:16
  Scotland Yard was called in Scotland, Yard, big-time police
• 49:20
  for American Sissy a or anybody not really understand the UK.
• 49:25
  But I mean, Scotland yard's a big deal.
• 49:28
  The problem was It's January and January is a time of bad
• 49:32
  weather. It pretty much proved to be a
• 49:36
  major deterrent in their search for her.
• 49:39
  Even though the police recognize that Fred was there and he was
• 49:43
  tied to raping a teen girl, they had no evidence linking the two
• 49:48
  of them other than he talk to her sometimes at the cafe.
• 49:51
  Her body has never been found, but it is assumed that bread was
• 49:56
  killed her something to do with it.
• 49:59
  Definitely few weeks later on February 6th, 1968 Daisy, West
• 50:04
  dies at 44 years old, after a surgery, the family at attends
• 50:09
  the funeral and afterward. Fred spirals you start stealing
• 50:14
  gets arrested for taking a blank check out of a house.
• 50:17
  He was working on and buying a record player with the like the
• 50:21
  check. He's fine, he's let go from
• 50:23
  oldacre's Mill for stealing money, he worked emptying septic
• 50:27
  tanks and then it's a liver delivery driver for a bakery and
• 50:31
  at this bakery shop is where he would meet his future wife & Co
• 50:35
  killer rose West. Let's talk about Rose now. now
• 50:43
  Rose West was born Rosemary Pauline let's on November 29th,
• 50:47
  1953 and Northam Devon England into a home full of just
• 50:52
  struggle Her Father, William also bill, that's and Daisy
• 50:58
  Gwendolyn. Let's both have mental health
• 51:01
  issues. Her father was schizophrenic,
• 51:03
  but he's hit it. And her mother was clinically
• 51:05
  depressed. In fact, while Rose was inside
• 51:09
  of her, she was given electroshock therapy and I had
• 51:14
  to look into this because it sounds real dangerous to me.
• 51:17
  Yeah, but apparently this is considered the safer way to
• 51:21
  treat a pregnant woman with serious depression.
• 51:24
  Action. Since many medications have side
• 51:26
  effects that can harm a fetus. Like I was looking at like Johns
• 51:32
  Hopkins, like articles on this, apparently there's been a lot of
• 51:37
  research into it and there is a low chance that it'll hurt the
• 51:40
  child, like point four percent less than 1%.
• 51:46
  Regardless though, rose look, weird kid.
• 51:48
  And even when she was a baby, she did some weird stuff that
• 51:51
  made her family. Look at her kind of, I like,
• 51:53
  even when she was little and I like a stroller pram, she would
• 51:57
  rock back and forth, really aggressively, and it would
• 51:59
  slowly move across the room. They learn that.
• 52:02
  This was a tech of hers, that she maintained as she grew up.
• 52:06
  She was a total like hate to use this word, but are head, like,
• 52:10
  she just had her heads in the clouds.
• 52:13
  Her neighbor said that sometimes she would walk down to like, The
• 52:18
  fence in front of the house and she would just be staring at the
• 52:22
  sky just had like completely and her own world.
• 52:27
  In fact, her siblings started calling her, do 0z because of
• 52:30
  this, and she would like sway in a way that meat, like, it was
• 52:35
  weird. She like fried, not a good
• 52:37
  student, mostly failing marks from the beginning of school.
• 52:41
  She was a moody Broody. And again, she just daydreaming,
• 52:44
  instead of doing a class work. She was number five of seven
• 52:48
  children and they were very poor.
• 52:51
  But worse than being poor was that Bill.
• 52:53
  Let's was a whole monster. He was cruel.
• 52:56
  He gave up meetings for the simplest of stuff, and they were
• 52:59
  brutal to the point where Daisy would step in and he'd be Daisy
• 53:03
  and stack God. It wasn't uncommon for Daisy to
• 53:07
  just be seen walking around town with a black eye.
• 53:09
  And in fact, one day there was a fight that was so bad that the
• 53:12
  neighbors heard The neighbors heard it first and then saw as
• 53:18
  Bill dragged her down, the steps by her hair and like slapped her
• 53:22
  outside. No, in fact, they called the
• 53:25
  police on that one. Now, when Daisy wouldn't let him
• 53:30
  hit the children. She was like, no, give them a
• 53:32
  different punishment. He would just have them go out
• 53:34
  into the garden and day and he would just be like just dig dig
• 53:39
  until I'm not mad anymore. And then if he didn't like how
• 53:42
  they were digging, he'd have them.
• 53:44
  The redo it. So, now what days was that is,
• 53:49
  let's say so filling that hole and it dig that back up.
• 53:52
  Yeah, pretty much. I'm like, that's the kind of
• 53:55
  stuff that they give like, prisoners.
• 53:58
  Now what Daisy didn't know was that bill was sexually abusing
• 54:02
  all of the daughters. At some point Rose realize that
• 54:06
  she can manipulate her father by using his deviance.
• 54:09
  To her Advantage, this allowed her to avoid the more horrible
• 54:13
  beatings and since she seemed more receptive to his advances,
• 54:18
  he began to prefer her to the other girls gross.
• 54:22
  Yeah. On top of bills constant
• 54:24
  beatings. He's a total Tyrant to make it.
• 54:26
  Absolute obedience and no. Another do the children have to
• 54:29
  do their chores perfectly be perfectly behaved.
• 54:31
  They spent their time in the let's house.
• 54:33
  Just sitting in absolute silence watching for bills loose change.
• 54:38
  And despite their best. He find a reason to smack
• 54:42
  somebody into a wall or throwing down the steps.
• 54:46
  Daisy, definitely believe that bill got joy from hurting them.
• 54:50
  Now, it's believed that some of these tantrums were be related
• 54:53
  to his unmedicated schizophrenia, because he had
• 54:56
  never told anyone in his new family, about his illness gaze.
• 55:00
  He didn't even learn about it until he died.
• 55:04
  But on top of his mental illness, he was hiding and
• 55:06
  generally just being a terrible person.
• 55:08
  He couldn't keep a job and that pissed him off and a couple just
• 55:11
  kept getting pregnant. And I'm like, here's the problem
• 55:14
  though. Bill, you can't be mad.
• 55:16
  Mad. You are actively participating
• 55:19
  in making your life harder. Yeah, he really hurt.
• 55:24
  Either way, the family moves, and Roses 13 and to the bishop
• 55:29
  cleave area. And she went to the Cleves
• 55:31
  school, she also went to the Rose Demerol school.
• 55:35
  People made fun of her for being stupid, but, and Bishop Cleve
• 55:41
  Rose. Became the bully.
• 55:43
  In fact, people are just like, roses not want to be fucked with
• 55:46
  her bully, extended to home and her younger siblings.
• 55:50
  When Daisy took a job for extra money, Rose was the one who
• 55:53
  stayed. But the younger kids forcing
• 55:55
  them, to do her, chores and stealing things for her around
• 55:57
  town, Rose hit puberty. And she becomes wildly
• 56:01
  promiscuous. She also became an abuser
• 56:03
  herself touching her little brothers in their beds at night
• 56:07
  and she would also walk around them naked.
• 56:10
  Eventually, she didn't find this to be particularly satisfying,
• 56:13
  so instead she began seeking out Partners around age, bill is
• 56:17
  like new because of course, he views his 13 year old daughter.
• 56:20
  Like it's his girlfriend and he forbids her to go on dates.
• 56:25
  So Bruce just decides, she's gonna hide it from him and
• 56:27
  easiest way to do that is to date older.
• 56:29
  Men who had cars and apartments they wouldn't be C, of course,
• 56:34
  in some of these situations Rose ended up getting raped because
• 56:37
  she was just throwing herself at random older.
• 56:40
  Guys. So when Rose was 14, Mary bash,
• 56:45
  John went missing. And despite everybody in town
• 56:49
  telling young girls, please be safe.
• 56:52
  Rose. Continue seeking out older.
• 56:53
  Man house. Finally, in 1969, daisies, tired
• 56:58
  of the abuse. She takes rose out of the home
• 57:01
  to one of roses older sisters. But Rose decides to move back in
• 57:05
  with Bill. She was 15 years old to say that
• 57:16
  Fred was an expert at grooming young girl.
• 57:18
  That's an understatement when he saw a rose at Cheltenham bus
• 57:21
  station, she was originally disgusted by him.
• 57:24
  She thought he was homeless. He had hair.
• 57:27
  He had washed sideburns and all the way down to his shoulders
• 57:30
  Cuts all over him. He was just dirty and he had a
• 57:33
  country accent. Rose was not interested in this
• 57:36
  27 year. Abu.
• 57:38
  He came back day after day, sat with her at the bus stop, talk
• 57:42
  to her showed her affection Brave.
• 57:44
  Little trinkets told her she was pretty When she when he asked
• 57:48
  her out, she told him now but she did say you could walk me
• 57:52
  home from the bus stop. When he figured out where she
• 57:55
  worked because he was a bakery delivery driver and she worked
• 58:00
  at a local Bread Bakery. He paid a woman to deliver a
• 58:03
  gift to Rose saying that the man outside gave this to you and she
• 58:09
  came outside and there was Fred and she agreed to go on a date
• 58:12
  with him that night when they met at a pub your house, he gave
• 58:15
  her a lace dress and a herc Oops.
• 58:19
  What she was. Like this is way too much peace.
• 58:21
  Like regardless of what happens with us you can keep that.
• 58:25
  That is too much. What the hell?
• 58:27
  Yeah, he probably stole it. But Fred was the nicest person
• 58:33
  that Rose had really a nice to her and he was really happy to
• 58:37
  learn that rose out of her Jack when he may grow sex juice, she
• 58:41
  laughs and poured it back. That was not forget that.
• 58:46
  He's still married to run. Now he told Rose, he's been
• 58:50
  abandoned by his prostitute wife which made him sympathetic to
• 58:55
  Rose. Rose visited the Caravan to meet
• 58:58
  his children. Charmaine Hannah Murray.
• 59:01
  Fred had found the perfect woman.
• 59:03
  Someone who loves sex and enjoyed taking care of kids in
• 59:06
  the past actually whenever he didn't have a girlfriend and
• 59:08
  watch his kids, he ended up taking the kids to Gloucester
• 59:12
  services and saying I can't raise children alone but he
• 59:16
  always came back and pick them up.
• 59:18
  Rose told her mother, she found a job cleaning a local widow's
• 59:22
  house and so that her mom didn't get suspicious Fred would pay
• 59:30
  her a couple Shillings every week.
• 59:33
  And then Brandon Lee, she brings him home.
• 59:37
  Her dad immediately knows what's going on here.
• 59:40
  He's like this, this is the guy who's paying hers or boyfriend.
• 59:45
  He's like you can't see this old guy, he's 15, like 12 years
• 59:50
  older than you and Telling Rose. No had never really worked
• 59:55
  before. Mmm, Fred wasn't gonna let go
• 59:59
  because he finally found someone willing to let him do.
• 1:00:01
  Sadistic sex stuff with and Rose was like, I don't mind as long
• 1:00:05
  as you show me. Attention God.
• 1:00:10
  It's believed that Fred got her into escorting, her family found
• 1:00:13
  out about it in the summer of 1969.
• 1:00:16
  They put her in a home for troubled, teens, and she was
• 1:00:18
  only allowed to see her family or go to work.
• 1:00:22
  As soon as she earned enough, like capital in the house to
• 1:00:25
  have a weekend at home. She went directly to Fred's
• 1:00:28
  Caravan. They were and while she was
• 1:00:31
  there, they were sending these letters back and forth.
• 1:00:33
  And this is kind of the moment where we realize that Rose is
• 1:00:36
  kind of spearheading their relationship and it's Pates.
• 1:00:39
  We're dad finds out, they are still together.
• 1:00:41
  He goes to Fred's job, begins screaming at him.
• 1:00:45
  Saying, I'm gonna cut you up into little pieces.
• 1:00:47
  If you don't leave my daughter alone, which is real ironic
• 1:00:49
  because friend had already done that to somebody else.
• 1:00:56
  Now, France having trouble paying off his fines he gets
• 1:00:58
  arrested again, but this time they put him in prison.
• 1:01:04
  And on November 28, 69 they take the kids, social services takes
• 1:01:08
  to kid again. However, the next day was roses
• 1:01:12
  16th birthday and the house couldn't hold her after 16.
• 1:01:18
  So her dad was pretty much like listen, if you ever see Fred.
• 1:01:21
  Again, I'm going to disown you. If you find a good job and
• 1:01:24
  dumped him, you can come to our house that caused a fight.
• 1:01:26
  That was big enough. That the cops were called and
• 1:01:29
  Social Services were called the police calmed it down and build
• 1:01:33
  thought that they had talked some sense into a rose.
• 1:01:37
  In fact, what Rose did was, she was like, fine, I'll stay here
• 1:01:41
  and then right before his 30-day lockup was over, she walked
• 1:01:47
  downstairs. With all of her stuff packed up.
• 1:01:52
  They go back to being together. Now that's November, right?
• 1:01:56
  So they stay together for like a month over Christmas time.
• 1:02:00
  But Bill decides, he's going to call the police in January 1970
• 1:02:04
  and tell them that his daughter is in danger.
• 1:02:09
  I don't know if the place didn't take this very seriously.
• 1:02:13
  But in February 21st. They bring in Rose and they're
• 1:02:19
  just like, are you in danger? Holy crap.
• 1:02:21
  You're pregnant. Because I think they were like
• 1:02:26
  not taking it very seriously. I mean this girl been seeing
• 1:02:28
  this guy at this point now for like years and that's why they
• 1:02:33
  were just like I will get to it when we get to it, you know.
• 1:02:38
  But they're like you're pregnant and you're underage, who's the
• 1:02:43
  dad? And she's like not telling
• 1:02:48
  Social Services tries to talk to her.
• 1:02:51
  They actually pick her up and they hold her like a foster home
• 1:02:56
  for a couple weeks. They release her on March 6.
• 1:03:01
  And they're like go back to your family.
• 1:03:03
  She agreed, she get an abortion that did not happen.
• 1:03:07
  Rose went back to Fred's and bill was like you know what I'm
• 1:03:10
  done with this. Screw you Rose This started to
• 1:03:16
  happy. Family Rose, Fred Charmaine
• 1:03:19
  Annamarie and mystery baby. Oh my God, they moved to a new
• 1:03:24
  Caravan Community. That's closer to Fred's job as a
• 1:03:27
  day laborer. He'd gone back to working.
• 1:03:31
  Rose didn't ask anyone for help but she was finding it very hard
• 1:03:34
  to handle two kids and be very bad name.
• 1:03:37
  Fred and said, said the girl's back to the Foster family run,
• 1:03:41
  it came back to town, meeting Fred's a 16 year old pregnant,
• 1:03:45
  girlfriend. However, when she talked to her
• 1:03:48
  as Rama thought that Rose seemed to be safe for her kids to be
• 1:03:54
  around by Wiki for that impression.
• 1:03:58
  I think at this point Rose just kind of came off as kind of a
• 1:04:00
  little touched. Okay.
• 1:04:04
  Yes, yes, she just seemed kind of simple and not like
• 1:04:09
  malicious. She would go on to be much
• 1:04:12
  worse, but at this moment, she's not doing anything really bad.
• 1:04:18
  So in June of 1970, they move into a small house and
• 1:04:21
  Gloucester on Midland Road Bridge.
• 1:04:23
  Regular job didn't pay the bills.
• 1:04:25
  So he went back to a life of crime and October 17th 1970.
• 1:04:29
  Having West was born, And right after that for, I got busted for
• 1:04:33
  fraud. When he made a false order for
• 1:04:35
  tires, his 30-day sent had actually been a suspended
• 1:04:38
  sentence. So this time he was going back
• 1:04:41
  to jail to finish his six months.
• 1:04:44
  A 17 year old rules spent Christmas and New Year's alone
• 1:04:47
  with three children. Which is when she started
• 1:04:51
  beating them to keep them in line.
• 1:04:56
  Annamarie actually remembers being like five or six years old
• 1:05:00
  and Charmaine telling her are real.
• 1:05:04
  Mommy's going to come back for us.
• 1:05:06
  But Anna Marie had had such a crazy life.
• 1:05:08
  She barely remembered who ran a was I mean these were pretty bad
• 1:05:15
  stuff. Like she got mad that they
• 1:05:17
  weren't like getting done eating fast enough.
• 1:05:20
  She grab the bowl and hit them with it.
• 1:05:22
  Like breaking a glass bowl over, a child's head and Charmaine was
• 1:05:27
  apparently a very strong little girl who told Anna, no matter
• 1:05:31
  what. Don't cry.
• 1:05:34
  Crying means Rose me. It's okay.
• 1:05:37
  Yeah, that's on March, 29th, 1971.
• 1:05:40
  Rose. Six remains of the hospital
• 1:05:42
  because of a strange puncture wound on her leg.
• 1:05:44
  She said it was an accident. And since the small town didn't
• 1:05:48
  have a Social Services because member they move, no one
• 1:05:51
  reported it. But that was probably the first
• 1:05:53
  time that Rose had gone too far. Rosa Fred wrote letters back and
• 1:05:58
  forth over the six-month period. And they talked about, they talk
• 1:06:01
  to each other. Like, they were married Rose
• 1:06:03
  complained a lot about Charmaine, and those letters
• 1:06:06
  just before frog was to be released from prison Rose
• 1:06:09
  killed, Charmaine this happened between June 15th, and she
• 1:06:13
  brought two girls to visit him. And when he was released on June
• 1:06:16
  24th, 1971, One day, Anna Marie, went to school and Charmaine
• 1:06:23
  didn't go with her. And then she was just gone,
• 1:06:28
  their neighbors even came to visit because they had a
• 1:06:31
  daughter. The same age and Rose just said,
• 1:06:33
  she's gone to live with her mother and bloody good brains.
• 1:06:37
  Rose stored her body in the pool seller of their home.
• 1:06:40
  And when Fred got out of jail, he buried her at the back door
• 1:06:43
  of the building. She also wasn't found until
• 1:06:45
  1994. Her remains were missing patella
• 1:06:49
  fingers, wrist, bones toes and ankle bones, which you're going
• 1:06:53
  to. This is consistent.
• 1:06:55
  All of the bodies that were going to talk about fairly soon.
• 1:07:00
  Or all missing these parts and they never found them and Fred
• 1:07:03
  never explained why he kept them.
• 1:07:06
  We're okay. Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  Now right, I came back to see her children in August of 1971
• 1:07:12
  and she stopped at Fred's, parents house to ask, where he
• 1:07:15
  would be It's believed that run a confronted right at the house,
• 1:07:20
  on Midland was like where Charmaine.
• 1:07:23
  So he agreed to take her to her, foster parents house, but
• 1:07:26
  instead strangled, her to death in his car, her remains were
• 1:07:29
  found dismembered a mile from Fred childhood home, and because
• 1:07:33
  of the tubing found with the remains, they think that she was
• 1:07:36
  tied up and potentially was assaulted before her death.
• 1:07:40
  No one even looked for Rena or reported him missing because
• 1:07:44
  people in Scotland just assumed that she had moved back in with
• 1:07:46
  Fred, And people in England assumed that she had gone back
• 1:07:49
  to Scotland. After the summer of murder.
• 1:07:56
  Fred and Rose were kind of bonded together, but I promised
• 1:08:01
  he would keep her secret. And she said, she would keep his
• 1:08:04
  but the stress and guilt kind of ate at Rose one day, she picked
• 1:08:08
  up Heather, and went back to her dad, and was just like, I need
• 1:08:13
  somewhere to stay at her, dad's, like you made your choice.
• 1:08:16
  I wash my hands of you. And Fred actually showed up at
• 1:08:20
  the house to pick her up and Rose Point at him and said, you
• 1:08:23
  don't know him, there's nothing he wouldn't do even more.
• 1:08:26
  Murder. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he
• 1:08:28
  wouldn't murder. I'm pretty sure.
• 1:08:29
  I know that part. Her parents turn their heads and
• 1:08:34
  front of her home. She had been honest with that
• 1:08:37
  didn't matter her parents were like she's being dramatic.
• 1:08:43
  Rose looked at this as Bill and Daisy failing her again.
• 1:08:48
  Now, with Rena gone and a partner in crime, Frank and Mary
• 1:08:51
  Rose, and they did January 29th 1972, just the register's office
• 1:08:56
  and no one came Judge. John to be a witness to his
• 1:08:58
  brothers, second wedding. A few months later, the family
• 1:09:01
  and a now pregnant rules moved to Cromwell Street.
• 1:09:04
  They stay there for a pretty long time, it was rented from
• 1:09:07
  the Town Council until Friday was able to buy it for that
• 1:09:09
  seven thousand Pounds, which is a little under 10,000 dollars
• 1:09:13
  which is not a lot for a three-bedroom home, but I'm
• 1:09:15
  going to tell you So I got three bedroom, three story home.
• 1:09:21
  In today's money that would have been a hundred two thousand
• 1:09:24
  pounds and 138 thousand dollars which to be fair is a steal.
• 1:09:28
  Yeah, I three-story house for only 138 thousand dollars, it's
• 1:09:34
  incredible. Yeah, that sounds Wonder UK
• 1:09:38
  folks. Is your real estate doing better
• 1:09:41
  than the us? Because we are dying over here.
• 1:09:45
  Now to pay for the house, you actually converted the top two
• 1:09:47
  floors into like, what we would call it the rooming house.
• 1:09:53
  And he added a kitchen and a wash been on the first floor, so
• 1:09:56
  that he and his family didn't have to share with the strangers
• 1:09:59
  upstairs. With June of 72 comes the birth
• 1:10:04
  of May June. West on June first rose.
• 1:10:08
  Begins escorting again, right? Afterward to help pay for the
• 1:10:11
  house. Apparently on top of sex work
• 1:10:14
  Rose will also bed. Many of the people who rented
• 1:10:17
  from them. She was pretty much insatiable
• 1:10:19
  and friend was cool with it as long as he could watch.
• 1:10:22
  In fact, she had a room that they called roses room on the
• 1:10:25
  second floor and he drilled holes in the other room to watch
• 1:10:30
  her. While she had sex with customer.
• 1:10:38
  and, The other Factor that's we're here.
• 1:10:42
  It's really interesting. This was good for Rose because
• 1:10:44
  she was actually getting the sex she wanted because even though
• 1:10:48
  Fred was into some real gross stuff, Rose said that he refused
• 1:10:55
  cunnilingus and he was creeped out by her period.
• 1:10:58
  And she thought that was odd because he was not creeped out
• 1:11:00
  by feces. Regardless, this is how that you
• 1:11:04
  have remained happily married, both of them banging everybody,
• 1:11:07
  they couldn't lock. Is stir-fried getting his
• 1:11:09
  jollies watching through that people also he was real into the
• 1:11:13
  fact that her clients were Jamaican and Indian which is
• 1:11:16
  wild because he didn't like his first wife some x-rays child.
• 1:11:24
  Strangely racist. Yes and weird.
• 1:11:27
  Yes, regardless. No I told you he's definitely
• 1:11:31
  racist since Rose is bring in the big bucks.
• 1:11:34
  She was controlling all the money and Fred even gave her all
• 1:11:37
  of his money to make sure things were P, September of 1972,
• 1:11:41
  Annamarie. West, 8 years old, This is
• 1:11:45
  pretty rough. There's no way to explain this
• 1:11:48
  and not tell you that this is probably one of the worst
• 1:11:51
  explanations. And the reason why we have such
• 1:11:53
  a good explanation of this is because Anna Maria still alive.
• 1:11:57
  She said that Rosen, Fred let her is the seller, stripped her
• 1:12:00
  bound and gagged her Fred raped her afterward Rose, followed her
• 1:12:04
  to the bathroom and laughed in her and told her, I'm sorry,
• 1:12:08
  everybody that's to ever grow. It's a father's job, don't worry
• 1:12:11
  and don't say anything to anybody.
• 1:12:15
  This goes on for the next. Five years, when she's 13, they
• 1:12:20
  force her to work as a prostitute out of the home.
• 1:12:23
  She lost she had the line to the client.
• 1:12:25
  She's 16. Rosewood actually, wait in the
• 1:12:27
  room during the appointments. This one on until Anna was 16,
• 1:12:32
  and we're away from home. So may was also sexually
• 1:12:40
  assaulted. She has written about her Time
• 1:12:42
  in the West home. And she also the house of hers,
• 1:12:45
  she mentions that she was raped by her.
• 1:12:47
  Uncle, John 5, Yeah, that brother and then later on by
• 1:12:54
  Friday she got older may also left the house at 16.
• 1:12:57
  All of the West girls are raped by their parents.
• 1:13:00
  So was the older brother Stephen that started when he was 13
• 1:13:04
  years old. The only children who seem to be
• 1:13:09
  absolved in this or three kids that Rose had out of wedlock
• 1:13:15
  with clients and I don't know if Fred just wasn't interested in
• 1:13:18
  them because they weren't his daughters.
• 1:13:22
  One of the girls her name was Tara actually feels that way.
• 1:13:25
  She's talked about that in the press and said that the reason
• 1:13:28
  why I wasn't sexually. So for this because Fred only
• 1:13:31
  wanted to rape his kids, Which is so fucking weird fucking
• 1:13:37
  wild, right is and the worst part about this, is the children
• 1:13:41
  were removed from their care until their youngest one of the
• 1:13:45
  youngest girls will be, he's was 13 and she told someone she was
• 1:13:49
  being raped for reference. Louise was born in 1978, which
• 1:13:54
  means the West children lived like this until 1991.
• 1:14:01
  And I don't think they were removed until 92, so, and it
• 1:14:05
  wouldn't be 90. It wasn't.
• 1:14:06
  Until 1994 when the family was fingered for the 12 murders.
• 1:14:12
  But we're going to talk about those 12 murders because right
• 1:14:14
  about now the west of only killed four people.
• 1:14:19
  So back in our timeline, October of 1972, the family hired,
• 1:14:22
  Caroline always is, Caroline is referred to as the one who
• 1:14:27
  survived. Now she lived in the house for a
• 1:14:31
  couple nights and the promise was that, they would take her
• 1:14:33
  back to her parents house on Tuesday, so she could be with
• 1:14:35
  her family. Rose told her that she worked as
• 1:14:38
  a masseuse in a room in the upstairs and apparently fraud
• 1:14:41
  her fried told her he was a real good abortionist and that, you
• 1:14:45
  know, just in case you ever need my services which Caroline
• 1:14:49
  thought was very odd. Caroline said that the weirdness
• 1:14:55
  with them started with Fred talking about sex and non-stop,
• 1:14:59
  kind of, as a way to see if she was into things.
• 1:15:03
  The thing is, what worked on Rose did not work on Carolina.
• 1:15:05
  In fact, she was just like listen at the end of the month
• 1:15:08
  I'm leaving. And you already paid me for the
• 1:15:10
  first part of the month, you know, for this for the month.
• 1:15:13
  So when the time you paid me for is over, I'm going.
• 1:15:19
  What happened next was that the couple decided they were going
• 1:15:21
  to abduct her on the highway leaving at home, but in
• 1:15:24
  actuality what happened? Was that on December 6, 1972?
• 1:15:31
  They put on the Waterworks, they apologize.
• 1:15:33
  We're so sorry. We made you feel uncomfortable.
• 1:15:36
  Will even take you back home to your parents.
• 1:15:39
  Carolyn thought? This was sincere.
• 1:15:41
  She packed up her stuff, but in their car, Immediately as they
• 1:15:45
  drove away, Rose started like touching her.
• 1:15:48
  When Caroline tried to get away for a knocked her out.
• 1:15:51
  They bound and gagged her took her into the cellar.
• 1:15:54
  But you repeatedly assaulted her and be her when she was
• 1:15:57
  screened, she was almost strangled to death.
• 1:16:00
  So she realized she needed to be compliant.
• 1:16:04
  Then she tried to scream when neither of them were there, but
• 1:16:08
  Fred was in the house and one of the kids was there and fried
• 1:16:11
  told her that if she didn't shut up, he would let some of his
• 1:16:14
  black friends have their way with her and bury her with the
• 1:16:19
  100 other young girls under the streets of Gloucester.
• 1:16:25
  I just love the Casual racism. It just got thrown in there.
• 1:16:29
  Yeah, Roger you even have any black friends.
• 1:16:32
  I doubt it. I doubt it.
• 1:16:36
  This is terrible that went on for days.
• 1:16:40
  And then they calmly asked her. Well, you couldn't well,
• 1:16:46
  Caroline sees us as her Escape Plan and she's like, no,
• 1:16:49
  absolutely totally. She goes.
• 1:16:51
  Upstairs, starts cleaning the house, vacuuming and stuff.
• 1:16:56
  And then she and Rose go to a laundromat to wash the clothes.
• 1:17:00
  She takes off running and does the stop it.
• 1:17:03
  So she gets home. Told her mom, mom reports to the
• 1:17:05
  police Rosa Fred. Go to court for this is thought
• 1:17:09
  the salt on January. 1973 with Caroline was too scared to face
• 1:17:13
  them again and without the testimony the defense Twisted,
• 1:17:17
  the story until it seems like she and asked for and she wanted
• 1:17:22
  this couple to her, it couldn't hold the West for the assault
• 1:17:27
  charge and so they were able to plead down to indecent assault
• 1:17:31
  and causing actual bodily harm was a 50-pound fine with no jail
• 1:17:36
  time. Caroline heard the news.
• 1:17:38
  She tried to kill herself. She's doing a lot better now.
• 1:17:41
  She also wrote about this experience as a way to kind of
• 1:17:44
  release it from her system. Just three months after that
• 1:17:49
  trial. They are back at it again.
• 1:17:52
  This time having learn from the mistake.
• 1:17:54
  Don't let the girl go killer their victim was Linda.
• 1:17:58
  Go a 19 year old woman who actually she had been visiting
• 1:18:03
  one of the men who rented a room upstairs and had a couple of
• 1:18:08
  down with a couple of those guys.
• 1:18:10
  This was a sign for Fred that Linda might be a, you know, game
• 1:18:13
  for their sexual perversions. They offer her a job as a nanny.
• 1:18:17
  She told her family, she she was moving into a flat in the city
• 1:18:19
  and her parents didn't like it at all.
• 1:18:21
  But on April 19th, just two weeks before her 20th birthday
• 1:18:24
  and his mom came home. She all of Linda's stuff gone.
• 1:18:28
  And a letter being like, listen, I'll be back around to see you
• 1:18:31
  soon or parents assume she just needed some space but she never
• 1:18:35
  came home. Now, Linda was okay with it from
• 1:18:39
  Stones, which was what they had. Proposed in reality, they
• 1:18:45
  tortured her until she died and buried her under their home, in
• 1:18:50
  the inspection pit, in the garage behind the house.
• 1:18:55
  Despite there being more than enough room to bury this body,
• 1:18:59
  he cut her into pieces which is not a lot of people to believe
• 1:19:02
  that he got a little thrill from chopping people up.
• 1:19:06
  It sounds like it. When does Mom began looking for
• 1:19:10
  her? The West said, oh, she did watch
• 1:19:14
  her kids for a little bit, but she hit one of them and we fired
• 1:19:16
  her. Charlie and Cooper was the next
• 1:19:20
  victim November 10th 1973. She went to the movies with her
• 1:19:24
  friends and she was last seen getting on a bus at 9.
• 1:19:28
  We don't know a lot about Carol, but it's safe to say they more
• 1:19:31
  than likely tortured. Her just like they did the
• 1:19:33
  others. She was dismembered buried in
• 1:19:35
  the cellar when Carol was reported missing.
• 1:19:40
  The westward even suspects. They were never seen with her.
• 1:19:45
  sometime between December of 1973 and January of 1974, the
• 1:19:49
  killed Lucy Parkington Lucy was actually, a really affluent
• 1:19:53
  girl, who was the cousin of an English novelist?
• 1:19:56
  She just finished, her secondary education, she was enrolled in
• 1:19:59
  Exeter University, she had been traveling home to her family in
• 1:20:02
  Cheltenham. While at home she went to see a
• 1:20:05
  friend of December 27th. And she was last seen fleeing to
• 1:20:08
  catch a bus home. She was reported missing right
• 1:20:11
  away but there was no connection to the West.
• 1:20:14
  So, while the world was searching for her, she was being
• 1:20:17
  tortured for probably weeks. in fact, Fred accidentally cut
• 1:20:21
  himself while dismembering her, which is why they had a almost
• 1:20:29
  picture of what kind of knife would have been used for it, so
• 1:20:33
  that when her remains were found two decades later, they were
• 1:20:36
  able to compare And it was the same knife used to chop a balla
• 1:20:41
  bodies, April of 74, brings her next victim, 21 year old Teresa
• 1:20:48
  sick and Thaller a well-off educated lady from Switzerland.
• 1:20:53
  Teresa was a bit rebellious and instead of going to secondary
• 1:20:55
  school she told her parents. She was gonna go to secretarial
• 1:20:58
  school and then she was attending me what, which college
• 1:21:01
  of further education in London just before Easter and 74.
• 1:21:05
  She decided to hitchhike to Ireland when she failed to
• 1:21:08
  return. Holmes before classes.
• 1:21:10
  She was reported missing on April 26, 1974.
• 1:21:18
  In November of 1974, they kidnap, surely Hubbard, Shirley
• 1:21:22
  was 15. She worked at a grocery store
• 1:21:24
  and wish Worcester Remember 14th.
• 1:21:30
  Yes, we're only laughing because this is one of the ones that I
• 1:21:33
  looked up and still struggle to sing.
• 1:21:35
  It's Worcester. On November 14th, she left her
• 1:21:41
  job to head home. She was never heard from again.
• 1:21:44
  Her remains were found until 20 years later.
• 1:21:47
  And what they did find in 94, was that Shirley was a marked
• 1:21:52
  sign of an increase in the couple's.
• 1:21:53
  Torture, her head was covered in like duct tape, and they had
• 1:21:58
  inserted plastic tubes into her nose to breathe.
• 1:22:03
  They were now doing like, forced BDSM.
• 1:22:08
  Now things slow down as far as the insults go in April of 1975,
• 1:22:13
  the next murder was kind of important because Juanita Mott
• 1:22:18
  ended their string of stranger pickups and this seems kind of
• 1:22:21
  stupid because they were moving from this person doesn't know us
• 1:22:24
  to this person knows us but the people who often needed a room
• 1:22:27
  in the west house where usually people on the Run running from
• 1:22:30
  home estranged from family and that made them good victim
• 1:22:33
  because nobody was looking for them.
• 1:22:36
  And now they didn't have to risk going out on the highway or the
• 1:22:39
  bus stops to pick someone up because their victims were
• 1:22:42
  staying at their house. Juanita was the daughter of an
• 1:22:46
  American Service family which I'm assuming is military.
• 1:22:49
  She was a rebellious teen had dropped out of school at 15 run
• 1:22:52
  away from home. She lived with another run away,
• 1:22:54
  but left on April 11th 1975. And she said, she'd be back the
• 1:22:58
  next day when she didn't come back, her friend actually
• 1:23:01
  contacted her parents, and they filed a missing persons report.
• 1:23:04
  She stopped by the West to write a room and took her to the
• 1:23:08
  cellar where she being tied up without her consent.
• 1:23:12
  They actually found on her remains.
• 1:23:14
  It's a mess of very complicated knots all over her and she had
• 1:23:19
  been gagged She was the last to be buried under the cellar.
• 1:23:25
  After this Brad we cemented the entire Cellar, turned it into a
• 1:23:28
  basement bedroom, for one of the children.
• 1:23:31
  And the to stop killing altar 76 and 77 row Center business.
• 1:23:36
  Seen clients running pretty much a tiny brothel out of one of the
• 1:23:40
  upstairs bedrooms according to Rose her father Bill even showed
• 1:23:46
  up to be a client as did the Gloucester Police, which of
• 1:23:50
  course, they have denied. Mmm-hmm Rose, gave birth to a
• 1:23:55
  mixed-race daughter Tara at the end of 1977.
• 1:23:59
  The rest of the kids kept the house clean and were assaulted
• 1:24:02
  by their parents as part of their daily lives.
• 1:24:07
  I think during this time, the reason why they didn't have any
• 1:24:09
  kills was that Fred was revamping the upstairs rooms,
• 1:24:14
  Because right after the remodeling was done, they went
• 1:24:18
  back to murder. Shirley Robinson was their next
• 1:24:22
  victim in April of 1978. She was a prostitute and teen
• 1:24:26
  runaway who need a place to stay, she agreed to work in
• 1:24:30
  roses little brothel to live there what she did for months.
• 1:24:36
  And when the West approached her for sex, she didn't say, no.
• 1:24:39
  And she got pregnant. We aren't really sure why they
• 1:24:43
  decided suddenly kill her. Maybe they got tired of the fact
• 1:24:47
  that Shirley consented Some people think it was because Rose
• 1:24:51
  was jealous that front lecture. As usual fried dismembered her.
• 1:24:57
  And since the basement was paved over now she was buried in their
• 1:25:01
  backyard. Their daughter.
• 1:25:03
  Louise. Born November 1978 and Rose's.
• 1:25:06
  Father also dies 17 may have 79 for a long infection.
• 1:25:12
  Next victim was Allison Jean Chambers.
• 1:25:15
  She was a young girl. She was working at the you
• 1:25:25
  training scheme for City solicitors and was in a home for
• 1:25:28
  troubled. Girls, Ryan for you.
• 1:25:30
  A solicitor's kind of like a lawyer but this one worked for
• 1:25:34
  the city. I'll send was last seen on
• 1:25:36
  August 1979, she'd been doing well at the home but it wasn't
• 1:25:40
  uncommon for girls to run away so they didn't really look for
• 1:25:42
  her. They just told her parents.
• 1:25:44
  The West had actually offered her Freedom, one of Alison's
• 1:25:47
  friends would tell the police, that the West kind of offer them
• 1:25:51
  the chance to be a part of a family.
• 1:25:53
  And then after a few weeks, things would get creepy for I
• 1:25:56
  would become overly sexual. He talked about his Kinks to see
• 1:26:00
  if you were into it. Allison's friend, was like, I
• 1:26:04
  can see the writing on the walls here, they're going to ask me to
• 1:26:07
  have sex to stay with them. I'm Gonna Leave.
• 1:26:11
  Okay, I'm gonna head out. Yeah, well Allison didn't leave.
• 1:26:15
  And she became my mother. She would later.
• 1:26:18
  Be found in their backyard. R8 years pass.
• 1:26:24
  Rose gives birth to three more times, to more racial children.
• 1:26:28
  And one final one to Fred making the total of kids in this house,
• 1:26:32
  Heather Anne made you the Stephen Tara, Barry, Louise
• 1:26:35
  Rosemary and Luciana. Yes, you did named one of her
• 1:26:38
  daughter's after herself. Like I said before, fried did
• 1:26:45
  not rape the children who are not his biological kids.
• 1:26:49
  And the thing is, even though it was happening to all of them,
• 1:26:52
  they were in survival mode and they didn't speak up because
• 1:26:54
  they were scared that they would be next friends, oldest child,
• 1:26:58
  and half daughter to wrote stepdaughter to Rose, Annamarie.
• 1:27:02
  Got it worse in 1979, she got pregnant, it was ectopic.
• 1:27:06
  So it had to be terminated. That would have most definitely
• 1:27:11
  been from Fred. As she was only 15.
• 1:27:14
  Also, it was like, who's his dad?
• 1:27:16
  She would not answer. And in fact after that, she
• 1:27:21
  moved out and December of 1979. It was like the first boyfriend,
• 1:27:25
  she could find. Her parents didn't seem to care.
• 1:27:29
  They still had Heather, and makes him the last.
• 1:27:31
  And Stephen who was being sexually assaulted by Rose.
• 1:27:38
  They Rose continue to beat them. Pretty much becoming her.
• 1:27:42
  Father, it would be 31 hospital visits over the next eight
• 1:27:46
  years. Heather.
• 1:27:52
  Had never really been a willing participant, some of the kids.
• 1:27:55
  They've, I like ice cream for candies a little ones to be
• 1:27:58
  quiet, but she would fight fry. And he actually called her a
• 1:28:02
  lesbian because she fought him when he tried to rape her.
• 1:28:06
  They beat her to try and break her.
• 1:28:08
  She never made it easy for him. It's gonna be touched by any
• 1:28:13
  more raped motherfucker. It was this fighting spirit that
• 1:28:17
  probably out of troubles. Bright originally admitted to
• 1:28:20
  killing his daughter. But later blamed it on rose that
• 1:28:24
  your neighbors. Do remember Rose?
• 1:28:25
  And Heather having a pretty horrible fight.
• 1:28:28
  Heather. It actually told a friend about
• 1:28:31
  her father's abuse and the girl I told her parents but those
• 1:28:35
  parents were friends with the west and didn't believe it.
• 1:28:40
  Some people think she was killed because she told which means she
• 1:28:42
  knows she broke the family loyalty others because she
• 1:28:46
  fought back. But either way in June of 1987,
• 1:28:51
  she was dismembered and put in the backyard and then Fred built
• 1:28:54
  a patio on top of it. And told the other kids Heather
• 1:28:58
  ran away with a lesbian lover. But then eventually they told
• 1:29:02
  the kids One time Fred was like making a joke and he was like,
• 1:29:06
  listen behave or you'll end up under the patio like Heather.
• 1:29:11
  After that, they stop killing as far as we know, as I mentioned
• 1:29:14
  Louisa, be the child to bring attention to their family and
• 1:29:17
  1991 92. It started in May of 91 ladies
• 1:29:21
  was 13. Fred asked her to bring
• 1:29:23
  something to him on the first floor and he attacked her.
• 1:29:26
  Well, Rose wasn't home. Her siblings for her scream,
• 1:29:29
  they found her on the floor, sobbing, he had raped her
• 1:29:32
  sodomized her and almost strangled her to death.
• 1:29:35
  When she told her mom roses just like you were asking for it and
• 1:29:39
  over the next few weeks it happened three More times, I'm
• 1:29:42
  Rose even witnessed one of the attacks.
• 1:29:44
  So August Louise told a friend, what happened and on August 4th
• 1:29:49
  that friend's mom told the police anonymously.
• 1:29:52
  Their police did a routine search and I found like well
• 1:29:56
  over 100 's like stacks of porn. They found tapes of what went on
• 1:30:01
  in roses room. They tried spread with rape and
• 1:30:06
  sodomy of a minor Rose was charged with assisting, an abuse
• 1:30:09
  of a minor all five. Younger children were taken into
• 1:30:12
  custody. The detective on this case,
• 1:30:16
  Hazel Savage new friend from his early years of fever.
• 1:30:20
  The first thing Hazel's realized was that Rena and Charmaine West
• 1:30:23
  weren't just gone from Fred's life but they weren't anywhere
• 1:30:26
  in any English records. When Anna Marie learns, that her
• 1:30:33
  dad was denying all the charges she sought out Hazel and Hazel
• 1:30:38
  did it took down this interview about all of the abuse that
• 1:30:43
  Hannah Marie had been enduring since she was 8 years old?
• 1:30:47
  Hazel also became suspicious about Heather when she went
• 1:30:51
  through, all the family videos and didn't see anything for
• 1:30:54
  Heather past, 1987 weird interest, which right?
• 1:31:00
  Unfortunately the rape case falls apart when Anna Marie and
• 1:31:04
  Louise don't want to testify even though they had already
• 1:31:07
  given us one test statements to the police.
• 1:31:09
  Because it's It's really terrible.
• 1:31:14
  You know what I mean? To make someone who went through
• 1:31:16
  horrible things. Now, we count them again in
• 1:31:20
  front of a room full of people. But the West get acquitted in
• 1:31:26
  June of 1993. Annamarie, bags, detective,
• 1:31:29
  Savage to keep looking for Rena and Charmaine The County however
• 1:31:34
  did not hand the kids back. Sorry not it's not County but
• 1:31:38
  you know it's equivalent. So the West were only allowed
• 1:31:41
  supervised visits with the children.
• 1:31:44
  Now as we look into Rena and Charmaine and Heather it's
• 1:31:47
  apparent that they are dead but they need proof.
• 1:31:51
  Several of the younger children had reported the phrase, you'll
• 1:31:54
  end up like Heather under the porch that threat and they were
• 1:31:58
  able to use that to get a warrant to check the backyard.
• 1:32:03
  And when the police arrived on February 24th with the warrant
• 1:32:09
  Rose was kind of flipping an arrogant.
• 1:32:10
  So she read it and then they said she went pale as the police
• 1:32:17
  dug up the backyard and questioned her.
• 1:32:18
  She was like I can't fucking remember.
• 1:32:20
  It's a boy. Bloody long time ago.
• 1:32:21
  Who do you think? I am a computer?
• 1:32:24
  Their son, Stephen called fried and Fred was like, I'll be home
• 1:32:27
  from my job and Stroud, as soon as I can, when he got there,
• 1:32:31
  three hours later, he was spouting this bizarre story
• 1:32:33
  about Heather who was involved with the drug cartels and the
• 1:32:37
  patio thing was just a joke. The police did not take this
• 1:32:41
  seriously. And when they didn't take it,
• 1:32:43
  seriously fried actually showed up and reported the police who
• 1:32:47
  were in his yard. Saying that they were harassing
• 1:32:51
  him because of the prior year case.
• 1:32:56
  Yeah, he was like, y'all are just harassing me because you
• 1:32:59
  couldn't get me on the right place from last year.
• 1:33:03
  S you because someone says something about a body in your
• 1:33:06
  backyard sir. Yeah.
• 1:33:08
  Day one of digging, they haven't found feather but the police are
• 1:33:10
  allowed to ask about the entire backyard.
• 1:33:13
  They leave an armed guard at the site and go home.
• 1:33:16
  The following morning, Fred tells Steven look after your mom
• 1:33:21
  and sell the house, I've done something really bad.
• 1:33:24
  I want you to go to the papers and make as much money as you
• 1:33:26
  can. Stephen totally doesn't
• 1:33:29
  understand this. When the police arrived to dig
• 1:33:34
  again price, just like listen, I kill my daughter.
• 1:33:38
  Let's get this over with, he told the police.
• 1:33:41
  They had a fight, he strangled her in a fit of rage.
• 1:33:43
  It was totally an accident manslaughter.
• 1:33:46
  He's like I cut her up so it'd be easier to barrier, then he
• 1:33:48
  asked for an attorney. At this point on there would go
• 1:33:53
  on to be hours of bizarre testimony from that it is still
• 1:33:57
  on video and it is super weird. But him talking about stuff like
• 1:34:01
  the sound it made when he cut up different parts of Heather's
• 1:34:05
  body. But they were like, alright, if
• 1:34:09
  you did it show us where the body is.
• 1:34:11
  So he goes back home, he points it out on February 25th.
• 1:34:16
  I don't know what Frank invest. I wonder if he thought that if
• 1:34:22
  He confessed they would stop like what the police were like,
• 1:34:25
  no, well she okay, just go backwards a little bit.
• 1:34:30
  So like with him, like first confessing to say, oh yeah, I
• 1:34:35
  strangled her in like a fit of rage and then talking about
• 1:34:38
  cutting up her body, how it sound it.
• 1:34:39
  I'm like that's not very inconsistent.
• 1:34:42
  Yeah, like sure that sounds like you enjoyed it.
• 1:34:45
  Yeah, there's also hours of him talking about his dad and
• 1:34:48
  bestiality and stuff and these tapes like he was just Going
• 1:34:55
  after that day of testimony on the 25th, the 26th, they
• 1:35:01
  continue the Dig. It took really long because it
• 1:35:04
  was very rainy in the UK that year and they weren't really
• 1:35:07
  digging, they were sifting through mud.
• 1:35:11
  At 1 p.m. on February 26th, Ted recant, his testimony. he's like
• 1:35:20
  Heather's in Bahrain working for a drug cartel at 4:00 p.m., they
• 1:35:24
  find a femur, it was nowhere where friend had told them And
• 1:35:30
  Fred said that only had there was in the backyard, so they
• 1:35:33
  brought the bone to a pathologist or not night and
• 1:35:36
  night went to the dig site and he was able to recover a full
• 1:35:39
  set of remains which now means they have three femurs.
• 1:35:44
  For night is that quoted as saying either, this woman had
• 1:35:47
  three legs or we're looking at more than one body fried.
• 1:35:52
  It mr. Shirley Robinson describes her
• 1:35:54
  in detail. Their like, is there anyone else
• 1:35:57
  he says? Yeah.
• 1:36:00
  Both Fred Andros are charged with killing their daughter.
• 1:36:02
  They found three bodies so far, March 4th through his attorney,
• 1:36:08
  Fred sends a note to the superintendent.
• 1:36:10
  That says, I friend requests, authorized my solicitor, how we
• 1:36:14
  robbed in to advise superintendent Bennett that I
• 1:36:16
  wished. You admit a further nine
• 1:36:19
  killings. Especially Charmaine ran out,
• 1:36:21
  Linda go and others to be identified, Brad, Wes and upon
• 1:36:25
  questioning. He told them where everyone was
• 1:36:27
  buried. The police found all six in the
• 1:36:30
  basement. The following week and the
• 1:36:31
  knife, he used to chop them up with two now.
• 1:36:34
  Fred tried to say his wife had nothing to do with it but they
• 1:36:37
  were leaning on Rose because she was tied to assaults of two
• 1:36:41
  children of the 70s. They refused her bail.
• 1:36:44
  Move her to a Maximum Security. Prison began interrogating, her
• 1:36:47
  about Fred's murder on April 25th.
• 1:36:50
  She's charged with Linda goes murder on.
• 1:36:52
  May 6th both Fred Andros are charged with five counts of
• 1:36:55
  murder. Then June thirtieth, nineteen
• 1:36:57
  ninety-four. Fred is charged with 12 murders
• 1:36:59
  and growth 9. Both denied bail over and over
• 1:37:03
  Fred tries to like touch his wife.
• 1:37:05
  At the Sentencing or not, segment of the charges.
• 1:37:09
  And every time he reaches for her, she pulls away from her
• 1:37:13
  Fred's deeply depressed. They actually kept him on
• 1:37:15
  suicide, watch for 11 months. And that suicide watch was
• 1:37:20
  someone checking in on him every 15 minutes, 24 hours a day.
• 1:37:26
  They finally relax the suicide watch.
• 1:37:29
  Never did. Nope, January 1st. 1995 Fred
• 1:37:33
  West hangs himself in a cell with blankets.
• 1:37:35
  He stole from the laundry room as soon.
• 1:37:37
  The night note was next to a drawing of a gravestone in his
• 1:37:39
  cell at said, and loving memory, Fred West Rose West.
• 1:37:44
  Rest in peace were no Shadow Falls in perfect peace.
• 1:37:47
  He waits for Rose his wife. Now with Fred the only witness
• 1:37:52
  to her murder is dead. Rose points, not guilty.
• 1:37:56
  Her trial starts October, 3rd, 1995, and it doesn't go too well
• 1:37:59
  for her the prosecutor Brian Levinson lays in her.
• 1:38:03
  He describes her as an active partner in the sadism and
• 1:38:07
  depraved acts on Cromwell Street.
• 1:38:09
  He points out that Fred was in jail when Charmaine died.
• 1:38:11
  Meaning, you're the only one who could have done it.
• 1:38:15
  And then that the two had learned not to set let their sex
• 1:38:18
  slaves, live after Caroline Islands, I like this Brian guy,
• 1:38:22
  he's smart. He spells it like you too, and
• 1:38:26
  good, he brought out everybody who had contact with grows her
• 1:38:30
  mother sister borders at the house, victims, relatives, all
• 1:38:33
  surviving rape victims. Some of the girls were unnamed
• 1:38:36
  in court documents but they were really important because these
• 1:38:39
  girls testified that Rose was the aggressor during rapes.
• 1:38:44
  Now Rosemary's lawyer, tries to get Caroline's tested, they told
• 1:38:47
  it like thrown out because she had told her story for 20,000
• 1:38:51
  pounds. But Caroline was like listen I
• 1:38:53
  want to I want Justice for the girls who didn't make it.
• 1:38:55
  I feel like it was my fault. I didn't do enough.
• 1:39:00
  Defense is like you don't have any real evidence on Rose and
• 1:39:03
  friend was a killer before he even met Rose.
• 1:39:06
  Against her lawyers, wishes Rose testifies.
• 1:39:09
  In her defense, she cried on stand, talking about how she had
• 1:39:13
  been raped and abused in a child.
• 1:39:14
  And she married a man who was deviant violent and controlling.
• 1:39:18
  She straight up lied on stand when she was shown pictures of
• 1:39:21
  the victims. She said that Fred and her were
• 1:39:26
  living Separate Lives which didn't match.
• 1:39:28
  The testimony of all of the hundreds of borders who had
• 1:39:31
  lived there over 20 years, who were like they were real.
• 1:39:34
  Tight knit family they slept in the same bedroom Mmm, defense
• 1:39:39
  also brought out a lot of women who've been attacked and
• 1:39:41
  assaulted by a man who looks a lot like Frank last between 1966
• 1:39:45
  and 1975. That was proof to try to prove
• 1:39:49
  to the court that Fred had worked alone.
• 1:39:52
  After seven weeks, both sides closed their arguments on
• 1:39:55
  November 21st, and 22nd, the jury came back.
• 1:39:57
  Unanimous guilty on all charges, Rose has given life in prison
• 1:40:01
  with no parole to this day. She says that she is innocent.
• 1:40:07
  Fred was ultimately cremated for of his kids attended his
• 1:40:10
  funeral, the service was 5 minutes long, the Reverend
• 1:40:14
  quoted Psalms and was like, yeah, let's not forget the
• 1:40:18
  victims here and then dipped was like, I gotta do this make.
• 1:40:26
  So I guess we're going to do it. Yeah.
• 1:40:28
  Like it's part of my job. I guess.
• 1:40:30
  I have like it's part of my job. I have to do this or whatever.
• 1:40:33
  No music, no nothing good. They nzb eventually, they spread
• 1:40:40
  his ashes at Barry Island, which is a place.
• 1:40:42
  I used to go as a kid before. Youngest was children were given
• 1:40:46
  new identities. They do not seek out any public
• 1:40:48
  recognition Annamarie. West had her mother and sister
• 1:40:51
  cremated, and buried in the same grave.
• 1:40:54
  Detective Hazel Savage received loads of commendations for her
• 1:40:57
  work and she continued to do her job for many more years.
• 1:41:01
  John West friend's brother put on trial for his crimes against
• 1:41:05
  Anna. He hung himself in November of
• 1:41:07
  1996 coward. Just like his brothers, say it's
• 1:41:10
  funny. How they can do this stuff and
• 1:41:12
  then like, they don't like face their fucking consequences.
• 1:41:16
  So stupid. Nope.
• 1:41:19
  I've always said that anybody who's willing to her child is a
• 1:41:21
  coward? House on Cromwell Street
• 1:41:25
  demolished. They made that decision in 96 at
• 1:41:28
  first, they bricked it up but ultimately they destroyed it to
• 1:41:31
  deter souvenir Hunters of course because Very West died of a drug
• 1:41:39
  overdose in 2020. He struggled with drugs and
• 1:41:42
  abuse, he suffered from his parents.
• 1:41:44
  Stephen actually got in trouble for dating a 14 year old in the
• 1:41:48
  early 2000s, and he actually tried to kill himself after
• 1:41:50
  that. He seems to be on the straight
• 1:41:53
  and narrow now, Rosa's kids originally made in her but when
• 1:41:59
  they asked about the murders Rose told her I was never a
• 1:42:02
  parent then and could never be now.
• 1:42:06
  Only person who visited her, who visits her now is Anna.
• 1:42:09
  Strangely, roses tried multiple times to appeal, every appeal
• 1:42:14
  has been rejected, the most recent statement, she released
• 1:42:18
  in 2001, saying that she has stopped appealing And like I
• 1:42:23
  said, these days, apparently she fell in love with Myra hindley
• 1:42:28
  but now that your enemies she is very much alive.
• 1:42:32
  Only about 68 years old. Oh she has a loan.
• 1:42:36
  She has a long time left. which is, you know, for once we get
• 1:42:45
  some I like it. I like it.
• 1:42:49
  I like the ending well like they he got off easy my fucking
• 1:42:54
  hanging himself but you know whatever there's some type of
• 1:42:59
  Justice serve here, which I like story of pretty much the worst
• 1:43:07
  couples in our American couples. They pretty much were doing it
• 1:43:13
  for money and just murdering strangers.
• 1:43:15
  Yeah, I'm sure there's probably a couple like, the West But
• 1:43:19
  yeah, we have a chill around the same time, with the Moors
• 1:43:23
  murders and friend, Rosemary West, very intriguing.
• 1:43:27
  But that just like we kind of had our call, it the serial
• 1:43:31
  killer Shuffle America. They kind of had this weird
• 1:43:36
  thing with doctors and Married couples.
• 1:43:44
  This is interesting. It is interesting.
• 1:43:47
  And you wonder why it's intriguing?
• 1:43:49
  Yeah. Well, what we have coming from,
• 1:43:57
  Paranormal World, Ryan? Okay.
• 1:44:00
  Well like you mentioned earlier. We are only well when you guys
• 1:44:06
  listen to this we're only a couple days away from
• 1:44:08
  Valentine's Day. Yeah.
• 1:44:11
  You Valentine's Day. It's fun.
• 1:44:17
  I like to buy presents for people.
• 1:44:20
  I mean and they buy presents for me.
• 1:44:23
  See. Okay.
• 1:44:25
  Yeah okay. That's nice.
• 1:44:29
  No, I thought you know what better to talk about.
• 1:44:36
  Then, you know, doing weird stuff with ghost.
• 1:44:43
  Did you ever look at the Fright Club?
• 1:44:48
  One of the episodes they definitely have what looks like,
• 1:44:53
  you know, they use that camera. That makes the bodies look like
• 1:44:55
  how you looked on a Kinect? The Xbox Kinect.
• 1:44:59
  Yeah, okay. Yeah, right.
• 1:45:02
  Well, the Ghost Hunters were using the camera like that and
• 1:45:04
  they definitely see who bodies in a bed on top of each other.
• 1:45:10
  And they were like are we watching?
• 1:45:12
  Ghosts is a really good episode. Look here this is like, if there
• 1:45:24
  is that we're talking about, are we talking about people having
• 1:45:27
  sex with, we're talking about About well I don't, I wouldn't.
• 1:45:30
  Yes. Yes we are.
• 1:45:31
  We're talking about the living and girls in getting it all.
• 1:45:35
  Oh. Okay.
• 1:45:36
  Not. Just go see scattered.
• 1:45:38
  No, I think about looking just like there.
• 1:45:49
  Oh yes, last year I kind of touched on this subject.
• 1:46:04
  There's like a story about I guess minister or something.
• 1:46:09
  He was at a rectory and like he had this ghostly woman passed
• 1:46:13
  through him and it felt like orgasmic to him.
• 1:46:18
  But like this time, I'm going, I'm going, we're going, we're
• 1:46:23
  going, we're getting into it, okay?
• 1:46:28
  So sex with goes or more commonly known as spectral
• 1:46:33
  philia, which is also known, as sexual attraction to ghosts.
• 1:46:38
  Or oh, I didn't know that was a thing.
• 1:46:40
  Yeah, yeah, or arousal from images and mirrors.
• 1:46:48
  Oh yeah, so like like I don't know song, but with I guess
• 1:46:53
  spectral, Philip Spector. Ophelia to looking like Bloody
• 1:46:57
  Mary looking kind of fine today or Candyman, What The Hook do?
• 1:47:07
  Bloody Mary. Bloody Mary Beetlejuice.
• 1:47:17
  Spectral feel like it's is classified as both being a
• 1:47:22
  fetish and a phenomenon that happens.
• 1:47:27
  That's peculiar. We don't consider the The one
• 1:47:32
  where people are attracted to serial killers to be a fetish,
• 1:47:36
  but it should be some type of fetish.
• 1:47:39
  No, it's not. I mean, and not a good fetish
• 1:47:43
  but like a bad fetish like, um, or we can shaming them.
• 1:47:49
  Yes, thanks, chanting, hybristophilia.
• 1:47:52
  Sorry y'all. Yeah.
• 1:47:53
  Sorry. I don't I don't agree with you
• 1:47:55
  anyway. It's apparently, it's a form of
• 1:47:58
  some type of paraphilia. Okay.
• 1:48:02
  So as I was doing research for this, I stumbled across a lot of
• 1:48:11
  the articles with celebrities who have claimed to have sex
• 1:48:15
  with ghosts. What there are a lot of
• 1:48:20
  apparently girl, I was celebrities that like have had
• 1:48:24
  sex with goats. I am so invested in this man.
• 1:48:28
  Okay, awesome. Because I got I got listen to
• 1:48:31
  it. And is, here we go.
• 1:48:33
  Okay, so I ate, like, I have to, like, I do have to, like, say
• 1:48:41
  this that the spectral philia, or like, having sex with girls
• 1:48:46
  is not the same as like a succubus or Incubus.
• 1:48:49
  As you know, those are deemed, they are demons and they are
• 1:48:54
  here to steal your soul for your life.
• 1:48:56
  Essence, that they extract from your make you give birth to a
• 1:49:00
  date. There you go.
• 1:49:04
  We talking about ghosts here today.
• 1:49:06
  Okay? So did you know so okay before I
• 1:49:13
  even get to his list, a lot of these people that actually have
• 1:49:16
  sex with girls, they all described it as the same not or
• 1:49:21
  not everybody because sometimes it's not consensual and it's
• 1:49:26
  It's it's an unpleasant feeling for them, like just being
• 1:49:31
  touched and just like Daedalus. Like I don't like this, I don't
• 1:49:34
  like this, but For other people is who actually like give into
• 1:49:41
  this they're like, yeah, I just felt like a body on top of mine
• 1:49:46
  it just like, oh, I felt the pressure of another body on me
• 1:49:49
  and then just the feeling of it happening and it just felt
• 1:49:55
  wonderful and I was just like, I was reading this.
• 1:50:00
  I was like, what the fuck am I missing out by not it?
• 1:50:05
  Why not going after ghost now? But are we dating goes in at the
• 1:50:17
  like I feel like I feel like the picture of the one character,
• 1:50:21
  you know, the butterfly? He's just like are we in a
• 1:50:25
  relationship? Oh my God.
• 1:50:33
  So the first celebrity that I have, who really surprised me.
• 1:50:37
  Like just like seeing her name pop up as freaking Kesha.
• 1:50:43
  What? No way.
• 1:50:45
  Tasha says that she was intimate with a ghost.
• 1:50:51
  And is that maybe her song supernatural?
• 1:50:58
  Was about said relation with a ghost.
• 1:51:01
  When did the nasty? Yeah, she said she enjoyed it.
• 1:51:09
  It's a song about it. I never even, that's not even
• 1:51:19
  God. I don't know but it's in my of
• 1:51:22
  course in my playlist because I have all of Kesha's songs.
• 1:51:25
  I don't know why. I don't know this song. /
• 1:51:27
  natural. I think it's like in one of our
• 1:51:30
  newer. Oh, it's from the will know.
• 1:51:32
  It's, it looks like from the warrior, really?
• 1:51:35
  I also like 2,000 talking like 2012?
• 1:51:38
  Yeah, 2012 2011, I guess I just skipped over that one on the
• 1:51:42
  album and listen to the dance songs.
• 1:51:44
  I like better. I listen to all of her songs.
• 1:51:47
  I'd love about, I love her, but like, sometimes don't start now
• 1:51:50
  and she just like certain songs better.
• 1:51:51
  So you listen to those like 20 times, that's me.
• 1:51:57
  I find the ones that are like really, really liked a lot and
• 1:52:00
  listen to that one a lot. Not.
• 1:52:04
  I do I just love. I don't know.
• 1:52:06
  I just I just hold back until it's okay.
• 1:52:09
  Girl. Kesha Kesha had?
• 1:52:11
  Yes actually goes. Um, guess who has had sex with a
• 1:52:14
  ghost? Lucy, Liu interesting.
• 1:52:19
  Yeah apparently Back in 1999. So she tells tight what US
• 1:52:28
  Weekly my bad that she was, she just like lay down on the couch
• 1:52:33
  for a nap and then she just felt this presence on top of her and
• 1:52:40
  she go straight. I'm just saying you didn't
• 1:52:45
  consent. He just showed up and see what
• 1:52:48
  she says. It was.
• 1:52:49
  It was sheer Bliss. If I felt everything, I Climax,
• 1:52:54
  and he floated away. All right, so I guess she wasn't
• 1:53:04
  like too too upset about it. Um, Bobby Brown Around says he
• 1:53:13
  has. Was he on drugs when he did
• 1:53:15
  this? He because he has a history.
• 1:53:20
  He does have a history, The Sounds thing.
• 1:53:24
  Um, yeah. He says that He slept with a
• 1:53:30
  ghost in one of his houses, he said, okay, this is a quote from
• 1:53:36
  his office mansion in Georgia. It was a really, this was a
• 1:53:41
  really, really spooky place. But yes, one time I woke up and
• 1:53:45
  yet a ghost, I was being mounted bike ghost.
• 1:53:50
  I would like, oh no, I guess he told her to me.
• 1:54:09
  Is this is real life, folks. I'll take your word for it.
• 1:54:20
  Like, I don't know why they're telling people about this
• 1:54:23
  because it's weird and people probably find it interesting.
• 1:54:33
  So, Anna Nicole Smith? Listen, I know people don't like
• 1:54:42
  her but she was my girl. She is like, the ultimate, like
• 1:54:47
  I loved her. Yeah, you should really nice.
• 1:54:50
  I don't like her showing keep her a bad rap.
• 1:54:52
  And here's the thing. If Anna had been around in 2022,
• 1:54:56
  folks would have been telling her that she had got the bag.
• 1:54:59
  She was the queen people would have, they would not have
• 1:55:02
  cleared her the way they did in the 90s.
• 1:55:05
  Now, this is. Yeah, and I think that's a
• 1:55:07
  messed up all in a day, was be a stripper and me A nice old man,
• 1:55:16
  what's up? Yeah, I do.
• 1:55:18
  I mean I didn't I didn't like her show so it's okay.
• 1:55:25
  Thank you. But yeah, she said that she, you
• 1:55:27
  know, had a thing for goes to And this is a quote, I'm
• 1:55:33
  reading. It says she said, well she says
• 1:55:36
  it goes for call my leg in have intercourse with me an apartment
• 1:55:41
  a long time ago. In Texas.
• 1:55:43
  I used to think it was before she was, you know, fancy Anna.
• 1:55:47
  Yeah. I used to think it was my
• 1:55:49
  boyfriend. Then one day I woke up and found
• 1:55:53
  out it wasn't she? Apparently just happened
• 1:56:00
  multiple times. Times to her.
• 1:56:01
  And she, there was just this one time that she actually found out
• 1:56:04
  that it like, she looked up into the, it did it wasn't her
• 1:56:08
  boyfriend at all? She said she was freaked out
• 1:56:12
  about it, but then it but then I was like, well, you know what?
• 1:56:17
  He's never hurt me, and he just gave you some amazing sex.
• 1:56:24
  So, right? It's always amazing.
• 1:56:27
  I would go. I want someone on your list who
• 1:56:29
  tells us that The ghost, did it? And it was subpar.
• 1:56:35
  That is more realistic Riya. Oh God, I don't have any um mr.
• 1:56:43
  Mr. Dan Aykroyd. Now, now I know, whoever has
• 1:56:48
  seen who ever seen Ghostbusters know about that scene about him
• 1:56:52
  having that dream about having sex with a ghost or they ghosts
• 1:56:54
  giving him a blow job or whatever mean, here's something
• 1:56:58
  else. A Danny Aykroyd is really into
• 1:57:00
  the Paranormal. Is this ghost stuff?
• 1:57:04
  He I mean, Well, he was doing a documentary on the Men in Black
• 1:57:08
  and then it got shut down after he saw couple.
• 1:57:11
  Um, so if anybody might be like a like a tuning, you know,
• 1:57:19
  tuning rod for the Paranormal. I totally think it's it.
• 1:57:22
  Yeah, he's probably reading about this stuff looking at it,
• 1:57:25
  and stuff is just attracted to him.
• 1:57:28
  I'm surprised I haven't found a ghost yet then damn, but maybe
• 1:57:34
  they found you. you just don't have the B gift.
• 1:57:38
  Yeah, I mean just not interested me it's okay.
• 1:57:41
  I get it and I always cup of tea um, as well as you know that if
• 1:57:46
  I die before you I'm definitely going to show up and like dab,
• 1:57:51
  oh my God, dance in your bedroom as a ghost.
• 1:57:57
  Please don't if I die and stuff, just starts falling down.
• 1:58:02
  It's because I tripped. I'm not even trying to scare
• 1:58:05
  you. I'm in your room and I fell.
• 1:58:06
  Over will be blaming you for everything.
• 1:58:15
  Are you fucking my shit? But yeah he says letter O God o
• 1:58:22
  my mirror yeah and I'll be like I wasn't looking just came to
• 1:58:29
  say hi. So yeah, apparently he didn't he
• 1:58:39
  didn't have sex with a ghost but he did get covered up but he
• 1:58:42
  goes so you know. I don't know.
• 1:58:48
  I'm one of those people who have something like six down.
• 1:58:53
  Like you know if someone sits on the bed I'm like, oh no, so I
• 1:58:57
  don't know if I would allow it get to get to the sex place.
• 1:59:01
  I probably hop out of bed and walk away.
• 1:59:03
  Yeah, mmm. The second to go sit down on the
• 1:59:07
  bed. And I see the pressure I'm out.
• 1:59:16
  I'm just, like, not experience. I would want, I'm just like, oh,
• 1:59:19
  well. Something's happening awesome.
• 1:59:20
  That's I mean. Hi, would you like to watch some
• 1:59:23
  animated? A ghost.
• 1:59:28
  Hello Ghost. I am a, we hopefully you like
• 1:59:32
  what I'm watching? Apparently, do you know Koko?
• 1:59:43
  I used to use while you fool. Oh, yeah.
• 1:59:46
  Okay. So apparently there's, there's a
• 1:59:48
  ghost that I guess she has a ghost stalker because it's
• 1:59:55
  followed her from place to place.
• 1:59:57
  And from Albuquerque to Arizona, Yeah.
• 2:00:01
  And like she's like, during the day when you think goes, you
• 2:00:07
  think of it being dark and foggy, Misty outside of every
• 2:00:10
  time I saw or felt anything, it was in the daytime, and there
• 2:00:13
  was no fog out there. So she's like this goes, just
• 2:00:17
  follow me all around. And I mean, Never mind, never
• 2:00:27
  mind. No, it's okay.
• 2:00:32
  And she's like I was I was watching TV like one night and I
• 2:00:35
  was sitting on the couch at it was in the morning and I was
• 2:00:39
  wearing a nightie and I felt my dress move up my leg.
• 2:00:44
  I look down and got freaked out, I pushed it down.
• 2:00:47
  Watch TV, felt it again and I could see it being pulled up.
• 2:00:52
  And then I felt a guy breathe In my ear.
• 2:00:58
  I'm leaving. That's no, that's what.
• 2:01:02
  That's a story that they did. Not fucking they were not into
• 2:01:06
  it. No, thank you.
• 2:01:10
  You're welcome. Oh my God.
• 2:01:16
  Okay. So have you heard about this
• 2:01:23
  some woman? Married a ghost.
• 2:01:30
  David here. Have you heard about this?
• 2:01:31
  I mean, I heard a Lady Mary train station.
• 2:01:34
  So nothing surprises me anymore. I've heard about that, too.
• 2:01:38
  I was just like, okay, so it might have popped up in one of
• 2:01:41
  my list of weird things. People have married kind of
• 2:01:44
  situations and I didn't look to it.
• 2:01:46
  Okay, so here's the name, someone she knows no, maybe,
• 2:01:59
  okay, Hey. So This Woman's name, her name
• 2:02:02
  is Amanda. Amanda Teague.
• 2:02:06
  And this happened? I guess 2016.
• 2:02:11
  She married a 300 year old pirate ghosts.
• 2:02:18
  His they marry her. I believe that he married her.
• 2:02:27
  She thinks they're together, but they're not, but he's My my love
• 2:02:32
  is for the sea. Exactly.
• 2:02:37
  That's how I see that. Like she had the ceremony but
• 2:02:41
  that goes even thinks he's single.
• 2:02:43
  Yeah. Um, so his name was Jack Teague.
• 2:02:48
  Um, She took his last name, is she took his last name?
• 2:02:54
  Um, so apparently she worked as a Jack Sparrow impersonator and
• 2:03:00
  I ruined. So so as I was as I was, you
• 2:03:06
  know, looking up like this named Jack Tegan stuff, a lot of stuff
• 2:03:12
  popped up from like Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 2:03:15
  So I went and dug him with deep into it was like apparently
• 2:03:17
  that's Jack's name. Jack Sparrow's Nest so he's the
• 2:03:24
  inspiration for the character so or that the character is an
• 2:03:29
  inspiration for this ghost. That she had married so I'm not
• 2:03:37
  sure like as I was reading this I was like, is so did she just
• 2:03:40
  marry Like Her Imagination or something like that?
• 2:03:45
  Or is this actually like a real ghost?
• 2:03:50
  But who who's the? Who's to say, who's to say
• 2:03:53
  Bernie? I'm telling, you know, pirate is
• 2:03:57
  getting married. I know.
• 2:03:59
  I know. No Pirates.
• 2:04:00
  Get a fucking very carefully. That's my only situation.
• 2:04:04
  No Pirates, getting married. They're like, listen.
• 2:04:09
  We can smash, but that's it. I gotta be out in the sea.
• 2:04:16
  I gotta, I gotta find some other booty treasure in booty.
• 2:04:24
  Anyway, um, I know was a good point.
• 2:04:26
  I thought so, apparently, she said that the relationship
• 2:04:36
  started back in 2015 and she was lying on her back.
• 2:04:39
  Bed at home and she sends the presence of him on top of her
• 2:04:48
  and she said, it happened, like it continued to over the six
• 2:04:51
  months. And she's like, she started
• 2:04:56
  growing feelings for him and then I guess the two of them
• 2:05:01
  just made plans to, you know, get hitched.
• 2:05:07
  But you give me right now. I'm just shaking my head.
• 2:05:14
  She said that their chemistry was incredible and Jack, Jack is
• 2:05:19
  the best sex I've ever had silence since its You by.
• 2:05:27
  This is true, very true. Now, their marriage, actually
• 2:05:32
  didn't last. So apparently, let me just say
• 2:05:36
  this first. Apparently, this was like the
• 2:05:39
  firstly person marriage. Okay, so the first time the
• 2:05:45
  courts allow this to happen but yeah.
• 2:05:46
  Basically I guess the the found some loopholes and apparently it
• 2:05:51
  wasn't. So it's not legal in the UK or
• 2:05:57
  Ireland, to marry deceased person, but they are lawyers to
• 2:06:01
  like, get a loophole. Some some fucking how they
• 2:06:06
  sailed into international waters?
• 2:06:08
  That's how. Wow.
• 2:06:11
  Yes, they they they not only is he a pirate but they got married
• 2:06:15
  on a boat Brittany. At least.
• 2:06:22
  But yeah, she says, she's the first person in UK and Ireland
• 2:06:25
  him legally, marry a ghost. Yeah, but yea, like I said,
• 2:06:34
  like, like I hinted to that they didn't last long at all.
• 2:06:40
  Well, I think, let me see. I goddamn, I don't have the date
• 2:06:44
  and one day they got divorced, okay.
• 2:06:48
  After that, she find a real person to date.
• 2:06:52
  I don't think so. I don't think so he could have
• 2:06:56
  initiated the divorce. I don't know, maybe he did.
• 2:07:01
  He's like the pirate life's for me British.
• 2:07:08
  Oh my God, as I was reading this so apparently There was supposed
• 2:07:16
  to be a new dating app that popped up about you to candida
• 2:07:24
  goes. I think so it was supposed to be
• 2:07:27
  something like shiver Me. Tenders of her.
• 2:07:31
  Something, I think that's probably a joke.
• 2:07:33
  I don't think that's. That's true.
• 2:07:35
  But I mean, there's no way to make it.
• 2:07:40
  Now, you can make an app, but like No One's Gonna pay for
• 2:07:43
  that. I think, you know, will be great
• 2:07:46
  if someone me like a video game about dating girls is that
• 2:07:49
  neither thing dating goes simulator, that should be a
• 2:07:52
  thing if it's not a thing. I mean, you're probably right.
• 2:07:56
  We've got dream daddy dungeon daddy.
• 2:08:01
  I know there's monster like you date a monster.
• 2:08:05
  I think there was a ghost. You know what, I have see.
• 2:08:07
  I have seen it. I mean, Monster prom and Monster
• 2:08:11
  High School are very sexual and well Monster High School's more
• 2:08:15
  sexual than monster prob no, it's monster prom and summer
• 2:08:19
  camp. The summer camp is less sexy but
• 2:08:24
  your goal is to seduce a monster in those games.
• 2:08:28
  In a group setting? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
• 2:08:34
  I've seen this, I've seen this somewhere a ghost dating Sim.
• 2:08:38
  Oh, But yeah, yeah. But in the same they would
• 2:08:43
  create a personalities. Yeah, that's true.
• 2:08:50
  But yeah, I don't know, like the spectral feel that it pops up
• 2:08:55
  like In a lot of places with a lot of places on like, T be like
• 2:09:03
  like I said Ghostbusters earlier, or apparently, in Star
• 2:09:07
  Trek, the Next Generation, there was a type of ghost sex thing or
• 2:09:14
  traction. And we can't forget the 1990s
• 2:09:19
  movie. Ghost with who's that?
• 2:09:24
  Who's that? Patrick Swayze?
• 2:09:27
  Oh right, right? Yes.
• 2:09:29
  But that was different because will be Goldberg's character.
• 2:09:33
  The medium allowed herself to be what's the word, conduit, you
• 2:09:39
  letter? Yeah.
• 2:09:41
  So technically Demi Moore Sex and will be Goldberg felt like
• 2:09:48
  her lover who hmm? It's very peculiar and I thought
• 2:09:53
  it was peculiar when I watched it as a child and I still think
• 2:09:56
  it's weird now but we'll be going with a great job in that
• 2:09:58
  movie. I've only seen it once and I was
• 2:10:01
  as a kid. Why did we watch it as a child?
• 2:10:07
  I have no fucking idea. I think my parents had it on and
• 2:10:09
  it's just like The sexy. It's the whole it's weird.
• 2:10:15
  I don't like it. Just get you a pottery wheel and
• 2:10:19
  you're good to go. No bueno.
• 2:10:29
  Sexy girls. Yeah, I think who's it.
• 2:10:33
  There's a, there's a ghost adventures and travel channel.
• 2:10:37
  They travel channel. They have it's like a show
• 2:10:40
  titled, ghostly lovers or some shit like that.
• 2:10:42
  At and they talk about later. Yes.
• 2:10:49
  I would have to look into this. I don't remember exact begum's
• 2:10:52
  ever talking about that. I never one time, they went to a
• 2:10:58
  brothel and all the dudes kept getting touched, see that's all
• 2:11:02
  it takes. And they were like Do they think
• 2:11:06
  we're their customers? We think you're going to pay
• 2:11:10
  them. So, yes, you can bring some some
• 2:11:12
  fucking money. So I remember that happening and
• 2:11:18
  that does happen sometimes when you go into certain locations.
• 2:11:23
  Yeah. If this is a show where they
• 2:11:25
  talk about like stuff like this, I'd be interested in watching
• 2:11:28
  it. Yeah.
• 2:11:29
  I think it I think it was just like a like a one-off show or
• 2:11:32
  something like that. But yeah.
• 2:11:34
  They were just Episode of it. And yeah, they were talking
• 2:11:38
  about it, look it up. It's called ghostly lovers.
• 2:11:42
  I saw like a YouTube trailer for it.
• 2:11:44
  So it was okay, we're really time I told you about going to
• 2:11:51
  the going to the when I ghost hunt in the yeah for the prison
• 2:11:57
  and then some I guess one of the prisoners really like women and
• 2:12:01
  he like touching them. Yeah yeah and stuff like that.
• 2:12:05
  Happen. Yeah, watch out there because
• 2:12:15
  maybe one day you just get like, a ghostly touch somewhere, it's
• 2:12:19
  not appropriate, maybe if you're alone.
• 2:12:25
  To happen presents with visit YouTube.
• 2:12:29
  Just yeah, just hope don't summon it okay.
• 2:12:31
  Because that's a demon. Yeah, no, don't send me things
• 2:12:35
  just, you know, Wistfully think about?
• 2:12:39
  Yes. Because ghosts need love too
• 2:12:41
  apparently. Oh, got it.
• 2:12:45
  They really don't there. Jerry, they've lived their life.
• 2:12:48
  They're good. Yeah, that's that's right.
• 2:12:50
  Gods of this week. Well, that's an interesting
• 2:12:54
  ending for today's episode. Happy Valentine's Day.
• 2:13:00
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• 2:13:05
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• 2:13:07
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  We go into everything we really do.
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  We might be creating a Movie night feature.
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  We will just want to hang with us and watch it from.
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  out and watch. But yeah, I hope you have a
• 2:13:43
  great weekend. Yep.
• 2:13:44
  You too. Bye bye.