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Ken Rosenthal on Oli Marmol’s status, Dump deadline, D’backs vs media · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Let's set the inside scoop with that T senior insider
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  Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal. Freshest story out on in the Athletic from
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  Speaker 1: Ken is about his question and answer with Ali Marmel,
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals manager. So Ken, let's start with, just like the
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  Speaker 1: top line, what was the most interesting thing that you
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  Speaker 1: learned from that conversation with him about how he's done
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  Speaker 1: and his job status.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things. The overriding thing to me
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  Speaker 2: was when I asked about his job status, he basically
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  Speaker 2: said he doesn't worry about that, and he said, I
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  Speaker 2: know it's a cliche. He indicated he knows people won't
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  Speaker 2: believe him. But the more he talked, and it's lent
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  Speaker 2: the interview, so you have to read the whole thing,
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  Speaker 2: but I did start to believe him, and I did
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  Speaker 2: understand where he was coming from. His point was I
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  Speaker 2: go one day at a time, I do the best
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  Speaker 2: job I can, and the chips will fall. And I
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  Speaker 2: also asked him about the looming presences of Yadier Molina
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  Speaker 2: and Albert Pouhols, both of been public in their desire
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  Speaker 2: to manage, and Marmel said that doesn't worry either. He
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  Speaker 2: has great relationships with both I don't know that either
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  Speaker 2: is going to be hired by hind Bloom to be
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  Speaker 2: the manager. I would expect Dolli Marmel would return next year.
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  Speaker 2: But those were two things that stood out. And then
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  Speaker 2: also when I asked him what he needed to get
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  Speaker 2: better at, and he said, listen, I'm a direct communicator,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes that can be really good, and sometimes with
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  Speaker 2: some of the younger players, it's too much, and I've
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  Speaker 2: got to be more compassionate and kind of show that
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the fight with them rather than I'm simply
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  Speaker 2: evaluating them. And I think all of these comments that
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  Speaker 2: he had and all the things that we talked about
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  Speaker 2: were really interesting, not just if you're a Cardinals fan,
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  Speaker 2: but if you're a baseball fan and you want to
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  Speaker 2: know how managers think and you want to see what
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  Speaker 2: they value. Is important. When I asked him what he
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  Speaker 2: needed to get better at, he didn't talk about anything
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  Speaker 2: in the dugout with regard to game management. What he
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  Speaker 2: talked about was what I just said, the community cation
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  Speaker 2: part of it, and from so many managers today, that
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  Speaker 2: is indeed the most important piece.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think talking to him as long as you
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  Speaker 3: did for this interview and just knowing him and knowing
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  Speaker 3: other managers. Do you think his style works in a
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  Speaker 3: big city, a big market, a New York, a Boston,
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  Speaker 3: where you're always under fire. Saint Louis, you're kind of
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  Speaker 3: under fire, but if you're a five hundred team, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of like it's not really your fault, it's mozay
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  Speaker 3: lock or or it's the ownership's fault.
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  Speaker 2: He was under fire the last two seasons, and remember
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  Speaker 2: they missed the playoffs badly in twenty three, coming off
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  Speaker 2: a great year his first year, and then twenty four
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  Speaker 2: they were above five hundred eighty three and seventy nine,
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  Speaker 2: but also missed the playoffs. So he does manage in
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  Speaker 2: a town that is very knowledgeable about the game, and
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  Speaker 2: while not as demanding perhaps as an East Coast kind
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  Speaker 2: of situation, it has its own demands. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that we have to worry about what he can
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  Speaker 2: manage on the East Coast because I expect that he's
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  Speaker 2: going to stay with Saint Louis. But I do think that, yes,
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  Speaker 2: he could manage in a bigger, more high profile market
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 4: Ken we were there on Saturday, I didn't see if
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  Speaker 4: you do this interview so I don't know that it really.
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  Speaker 2: Happened Friday aj before you arrived.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, so of us were banana ball and cannot be
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  Speaker 5: perfect for you too. You could be the You could.
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  Speaker 4: Be the guy like the Eddy Goodell guy gets an
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  Speaker 4: automatic walk.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, here's here, here's what he gets it. He gets it,
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  Speaker 5: he got it, he got.
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  Speaker 3: It silt Yes, Oh that would be unbelieve sorr.
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  Speaker 5: Or they could do it the other.
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  Speaker 2: Way with my curt roll. Guys, I think I should
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  Speaker 2: stay with where I am.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, here's what I want to know about Olie. You
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  Speaker 4: kind of hit on it just in your answer right there.
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  Speaker 4: But my thing is is can you blame him? I
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  Speaker 4: think he's doing a pretty damn good job for the
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  Speaker 4: team he was given spent the last two years.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Arnatto's done for the year. I would think.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that for sure, but you know, there's
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  Speaker 4: no indication he's coming back anytime soon. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: their pitching has gone down, they traded away their team.
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  Speaker 4: They're still hovering around five hundred. I know they got
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  Speaker 4: swept by the Yankees, but I think he's doing a
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  Speaker 4: damn good job for the teams he's been handed twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: he gets there. They still have a really good team,
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  Speaker 4: Goldsmith wins the MVP.
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  Speaker 5: That whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty three is still they still have Wayne right and
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  Speaker 4: Yachdi and they're doing they're doing the whole thing right.
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  Speaker 4: And then twenty four and twenty five come and the
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  Speaker 4: team kind of shoot or sorry, twenty three Yaudi was gone,
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  Speaker 4: I think too, but you know whatever, they kind of oh,
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  Speaker 4: all right, we're not gonna spend money, We're gonna do
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  Speaker 4: this rebuild whatever they want to call it, retool, whatever
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  Speaker 4: they're calling in the Cardinal land. But how can you
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  Speaker 4: blame Ali He's managers are only as good as their players,
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  Speaker 4: and good managers can make good players better. But if
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  Speaker 4: you're great, you could be the greatest manager in the world,
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  Speaker 4: and you have a crappy team and you get what.
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  Speaker 5: You get at him, I think, oh, he does a
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  Speaker 5: good job.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you guys were just talking to Evan Grant for
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  Speaker 2: the Dallas w News. Bruce Bochi is a good manager
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  Speaker 2: and that team has underperformed, not Bruce Bochi's fault. So
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  Speaker 2: you didn't ask me this, AJ, But do I think
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  Speaker 2: he's done a good job? Yes? I do. That wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the premise of the article at all. What the premise
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  Speaker 2: was initially, at least up top when I started the introduction.
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  Speaker 2: What I wrote was that perhaps no manager was in
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  Speaker 2: as uncomfortable a position entering the season as Marvel, and
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  Speaker 2: there were a lot of reasons for that one. The
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  Speaker 2: team on the field was, as you said, Aj, in transition,
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  Speaker 2: they were going younger, they were trying to evaluate young players. Also,
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  Speaker 2: they have a president of Baseball Operations, John Mazzelok in
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  Speaker 2: his last year before being replaced by hin Bloom, who
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  Speaker 2: was in the organization and evaluating in his own right.
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  Speaker 2: And then you had and have Pooh, Hools and Molina
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  Speaker 2: sitting out there, very public in their desires to manage.
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  Speaker 2: So from all of those perspectives, how he's handled it,
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  Speaker 2: all those different angles, I would say, yes, he's done
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  Speaker 2: very well. The team has played probably better than a
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  Speaker 2: lot of us thought it would, So based on this year,
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  Speaker 2: I would expect that he is back next year. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that heim Bloom is going to make a
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  Speaker 2: change just for the sake of change. I want my
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  Speaker 2: own guy. I don't know that he will do that
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  Speaker 2: right away. Ultimately, sure that could happen, but for now,
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  Speaker 2: I would expect that Marvel would be back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to switch subjects here to one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite times of the year based on an occurrence a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and we coined it the dump deadline.
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  Speaker 1: So in less than two weeks, a team could put
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  Speaker 1: a player on waivers. It can happen now, which you
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  Speaker 1: report about over the weekend. I'll get to in a
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  Speaker 1: sec and another team could claim that player for the
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  Speaker 1: cost of the contract and that's it. So you report
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  Speaker 1: it on John Gray over the weekend. I know it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter now he's hurt and no one claimed him,
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  Speaker 1: But just curious if that sparks any other dump deadline
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  Speaker 1: type situations, maybe even from that team, the Texas Rangers,
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  Speaker 1: if they continue to fumble.
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  Speaker 2: That's one team that I'm looking at, yes, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: not exactly sure how they would go about it. They
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do this. They want to contend and compete.
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  Speaker 2: They keep saying that, and it keeps not happening. So
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  Speaker 2: come August twenty eighth, twenty ninth, they may have some
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  Speaker 2: decisions to make. And they've got some relievers who are
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  Speaker 2: potential free agents who could be attractive. Patrick Corbin fits
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  Speaker 2: in that category as well. They have some things that
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  Speaker 2: they could do to at least save money. They're under
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  Speaker 2: the luxury tax threshold from what I can tell, so
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  Speaker 2: I don't see that being an issue. And if you
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  Speaker 2: wonder about which other teams could do it, certainly the
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  Speaker 2: team that kind of invented the dump deadline would always
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  Speaker 2: be a candidate. That would be the Los Angeles Angels,
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  Speaker 2: And then you might see, I guess teams like the
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  Speaker 2: Pirates try to save money. I was looking at the
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  Speaker 2: luxury tax figures this morning, and it doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: me that any team that is kind of out of
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  Speaker 2: contention is going to make moves to get under the threshold.
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  Speaker 2: Remember the angel did that two years ago, and if
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  Speaker 2: I recall, they did not get under the threshold, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe they did, they were really close and that was
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  Speaker 2: the driver for them at that point. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that any team is in that same position, but certainly
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  Speaker 2: teams will look to save money for their owners, even
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  Speaker 2: if it's just a month's salary on a bigger type contract,
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  Speaker 2: because if you're out of it, what's the harm. Now?
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  Speaker 2: I know there are teams, just me correct, not correct that,
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  Speaker 2: but amplify that there are teams. And the Rangers are
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  Speaker 2: one of them that are going to want to finish
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  Speaker 2: strong and finish with a positive one loss record. That
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  Speaker 2: could be a motivated to keep a player, But there
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  Speaker 2: are other clubs that might look at it and say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, let's save some money for our owners.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the Diamondbacks could be in that category as well.
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  Speaker 2: So again, I'm not certain any of this is going
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  Speaker 2: to happen, because the Diamondbacks, like the Rangers, do not
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  Speaker 2: want to finish poorly and they want to get through
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  Speaker 2: the season and build some momentum. But we saw with
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  Speaker 2: the Angels that certainly it's a possibility. And what the
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  Speaker 2: Rangers were doing with John Gray was a little bit separate.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't know it was hurt at the time, but
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  Speaker 2: he's a potential free agent. His role had diminished, so
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  Speaker 2: they felt, you know what, let's give him an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: somewhere else if that opportunity presents itself. It didn't and
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  Speaker 2: now he's hurt. But that was kind of an unusual circumstance.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there will be some other players in that circumstance
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  Speaker 2: as well, with their teams say you know what, it's
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  Speaker 2: not working here or the role is not what it
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  Speaker 2: should be. Let's let him go. I just can't see
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  Speaker 2: in my crystal ball right now who those players might be.
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  Speaker 1: I have two I'll throw at you two that come
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  Speaker 1: to mind. Okay, one is more complicated. I'll start with
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  Speaker 1: this one. Zach Allen. He's pitched better this month. I
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  Speaker 1: know it's been a really down year for him. The
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  Speaker 1: er on the years like five and change. It's three
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  Speaker 1: and a half ish and four starts. I know there's
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  Speaker 1: a qualifying offer, but if the Diamondbacks aren't going to
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  Speaker 1: offer it, then that doesn't matter. So that was one
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  Speaker 1: name on to throw at you for Arizona, right, because
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the names. Basically I looked at who's
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  Speaker 1: that have gotten traded and didn't The other name that
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  Speaker 1: stood out to me, right, Cella Glaciers. Everyone needs a reliever.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how did he not get traded? If I
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  Speaker 1: believe he's going to be free agent after this year?
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  Speaker 1: And he's been on fire in August too. He hasn't
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  Speaker 1: given up a run in eight appearances. So that one
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  Speaker 1: is the biggest, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, those are good examples, but I'm going to kind
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  Speaker 2: of quash both with Gallan. I believe the Diamondbacks will
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  Speaker 2: make him a qualifying offer because they're going to want
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  Speaker 2: that draft pick compensation. Gallan is going to sign, most
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  Speaker 2: likely for fifty million or more. That will get them
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  Speaker 2: the compensation. And I know he's had a down year,
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  Speaker 2: but he's still going to be attractive on the open market,
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  Speaker 2: and if you waive him, you don't get that right.
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  Speaker 2: So you want that, you want the draft pick compensation.
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  Speaker 2: With the Glaciers, the reason they did not trade him
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  Speaker 2: at the deadline was because they wanted something in return.
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  Speaker 2: And when they felt that they weren't getting something of
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  Speaker 2: quality in return, and I'm not talking about an a
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  Speaker 2: ball flyer. I'm talking about a legitimate piece, something that
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  Speaker 2: could help them possibly next year, they weren't going to
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  Speaker 2: do it. So now you're talking about waiving him and
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  Speaker 2: still getting nothing in return. I don't know that they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be thinking along those lines. Maybe, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that that's where they're going to go. They're
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  Speaker 2: not under financial pressure to do it, and they too
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  Speaker 2: have played a little bit better, and I would expect
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  Speaker 2: they want to win some games.
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  Speaker 4: In September, ken we had a whole discussion on ktel
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  Speaker 4: Marte and about what's going on with him. And it's
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  Speaker 4: not about I don't want to get into the situation,
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  Speaker 4: but it's more about a reporter's job on this right,
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  Speaker 4: the players are mad that they're saying some players are saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: the reporters need to take it easy on them. But
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  Speaker 4: all the reporters in Arizona were doing were reporting what
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  Speaker 4: was told to them.
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  Speaker 5: So what did they do wrong? Did the reporters didn't
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  Speaker 5: do anything wrong? I didn't think. They just said.
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  Speaker 4: Players are saying they're tired of him missing games and
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  Speaker 4: he should be there for the team in important stretches
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  Speaker 4: and he hasn't been. That's not on the reporters. Isn't
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  Speaker 4: that on the other players to tell them to stop
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  Speaker 4: talking about their own players and have their own meeting.
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  Speaker 4: Don't yell at the reporters for them.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, the reporter who broke this story, Nick Piccoro,
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  Speaker 2: from the Arizona Republic, is one of the better big
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  Speaker 2: reporters in the country. He's really good and for him
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  Speaker 2: to write that story, I would imagine he was hearing
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  Speaker 2: it not just a little bit, and not just over
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  Speaker 2: a week's time, but over quite some time. And remember
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  Speaker 2: this goes back to last year when he missed games
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  Speaker 2: right at the end of the season, when they were
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  Speaker 2: right in the thick of a playoff berth and for
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  Speaker 2: Nick to determine that this reaches the threshold for him
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  Speaker 2: to write, it had to be pretty noisy, and it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily every player. Heroto Podomo obviously came to the
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  Speaker 2: defense of Marte and said leave him alone. That was
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  Speaker 2: the guy who said leave him alone. It might not
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  Speaker 2: have been every player. That's fine, but if you've got
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  Speaker 2: four or five players, and maybe if you have a
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  Speaker 2: coach or two, or I don't know, maybe even the manager,
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  Speaker 2: who of course publicly defended Marte, then you've got enough.
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  Speaker 2: And Nick Piccoro obviously felt he had enough. He went
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  Speaker 2: with the story and listen, Cotel Marte yesterday apologized for
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  Speaker 2: missing some of those games. You also explained that some
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  Speaker 2: of it is due to workload management. Well, okay, if
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  Speaker 2: he's apologizing, obviously he feels he did something wrong as well,
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  Speaker 2: and that, to me gave the story further legitimacy.
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  Speaker 3: Team that was struggling, the Yankees, they're now seven and
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  Speaker 3: three in their last ten. I think they've won three
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  Speaker 3: straight after sweeping the Cardinals. Is it a matter of
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  Speaker 3: the team playing better or ironing out the things that
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  Speaker 3: maybe they had guys in positions they shouldn't have been in.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Devin Williams constantly coming in and now he hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been the guy's saving games consistently.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a number of things. The
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  Speaker 2: schedule has something to do with it. They've won five
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  Speaker 2: of six. They played the Twins, who traded ten guys
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  Speaker 2: of the deadline, then they played the Cardinals, who traded
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  Speaker 2: their three top relievers and were without Brendan Donovan and
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  Speaker 2: Wilson contraras the entire series. That helps. It also reflects
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  Speaker 2: on what you are saying, Eric, Devin Williams now in
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  Speaker 2: a lower leverage roll, looked good the other day. It
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  Speaker 2: was Saturday in our game when he, I believe, struck
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  Speaker 2: out the side and maybe now he can regain his momentum.
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  Speaker 2: They have foreclosers at this point. It's Williams, it's Doughball,
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  Speaker 2: it's Luke Weaver, and it's David Bednar. So they've got
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  Speaker 2: to store through their bullpen a little bit. And if
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  Speaker 2: Judge gets back on the field in a defensive posture
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  Speaker 2: this week, which is what they're talking about. Possibly he
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  Speaker 2: gets back into the outfield, then you've got Judge and right,
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  Speaker 2: Grisham and center, and Bellinger and left. That's a good
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  Speaker 2: defensive outfield at that point, even if Judge, as Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Boone said this morning, can't throw the way he once
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  Speaker 2: did for the rest of the season. So, yes, they
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  Speaker 2: have some good things happening. Ben Rice is a good
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  Speaker 2: thing happening, no question about that. Ryan McMahon solidified third base.
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't necessarily hit the way they've wanted yet, but
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  Speaker 2: he too looks like a guy who's going to be
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: a solid player for them. They've got Rosario coming back
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: off the il possibly tonight. I believe Anthony Volpi looking
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: much better defensively, still streaky offensively. There are good things happening,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: and they are a good team. They just have to
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: play like a good team, and that's something that they
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: haven't done consistently until this past week.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: No, I'd see they've got the race this week division rival.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Ken, good talk. We'll get you
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: later this week. Thanks for the time.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal also on Fair Territory yesterday's edition up there
• 16:36
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• 16:38
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• 16:41
  Speaker 1: fair Territory and Sam goes For Thursday, Ken's Back Live