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TABLE TALK: NFL Draft Scouting And Prospects! · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Double
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  Speaker 1: podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show
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  Speaker 1: in the world. This month we are celebrating our thirteenth
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  Speaker 1: year of doing this podcast. Dear Heavens, I'm Jeff Warren,
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  Speaker 1: and to dive into the NFL Draft and what we
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  Speaker 1: are going to be seeing, some of the prospects and
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  Speaker 1: just the overall draft process as well. We've got our
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  Speaker 1: Joe Dalleon, who we've recently had on the show. Our
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  Speaker 1: good friend Ryan Roberts. Buddy, how are you, my friend?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Jeff. Congraduation on thirteen years.
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  Speaker 3: Man, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I hope I'm still kicking in about thirteen years doing
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  Speaker 2: this stuff, So I own much appreciation to you on
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  Speaker 2: that street. And I didn't even notice until we got
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  Speaker 2: on man that actually I'm wear in a Phillies sweatshirts.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was fate or not. It
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  Speaker 2: was not designed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I noticed, my friend, I absolutely noticed that. I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna mention it right off the bat. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: that you did rightfully, so coming on a PST podcast
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  Speaker 1: show here, a Philly sports podcast show, wearing some awesome
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  Speaker 1: Phillies gear, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: But I also, man, I appreciate what you and again
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  Speaker 1: your co host Joe dal Leone have been talking about
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  Speaker 1: on your pod and just the overall analysis that you've
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  Speaker 1: all been doing over at eight of is E Sports
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  Speaker 1: with regard to the NFL. So to get this conversation started,
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  Speaker 1: I actually want to go back a couple days ago
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  Speaker 1: about something you tweeted out and I was gonna ask
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  Speaker 1: you about this, Ryan, because I saw your tweet. I've
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  Speaker 1: been thinking about this and I knew we had to
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  Speaker 1: start off the conversation about this. That tweet was quote
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  Speaker 1: your yearly reminder that testing numbers don't matter if they
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  Speaker 1: don't show up on film. And honestly, I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of folks who follow the NFL Draft and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these prospects, folks just still don't understand that
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  Speaker 1: concept after all these years, some folks will look at
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  Speaker 1: the numbers and say, oh, man, this guy tested so well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's got to be drafted high, not necessarily,
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  Speaker 1: So can you talk about this in more details so
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  Speaker 1: folks can understand that film really does matter so much
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  Speaker 1: during the draft evaluation process, and at times I think
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  Speaker 1: it might actually matter more than the actual testing numbers.
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  Speaker 3: So get us started here, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's your process as an evaluator, and people have
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  Speaker 2: different processes. Some people are very data driven, some people
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  Speaker 2: are film based. Some people are a mixture of the two. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I like to and I always am fully candid on this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a film guy that uses information outside to be
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  Speaker 2: able to verify my opinions on things or to make
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  Speaker 2: me go back and cross check things.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, for an instance of a testing number, like let's
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  Speaker 2: say a forty yard dash time, I'm gonna use like
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  Speaker 2: a wide receiver that I think is a speed store
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  Speaker 2: on film. I think, as you know, great qualities is
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  Speaker 2: a deep threat potential on the next level if they
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  Speaker 2: go to the combine of their protain and they run fast. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm not bumping a grade or anything that just
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  Speaker 2: verifies what I saw on film. It's like, yes, that
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  Speaker 2: was it, right, that's another checking of the box. We're
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  Speaker 2: good there, right. Like some people and I actually don't
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  Speaker 2: have anything against this, but this is in my process.
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  Speaker 2: Some people like weight grades in terms of like they
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  Speaker 2: get bumps for like athletic testing. I don't personally do
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  Speaker 2: that because again, in my opinion, if I already great
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  Speaker 2: at the player for being fast, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: count that twice like he's fasked good checkpoint. But the
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  Speaker 2: other problem that happens is that if you great a
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  Speaker 2: guy and let's say you think he's a four to
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  Speaker 2: three athlete, and then he goes to the combine of
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  Speaker 2: the protae runs four or five flat, you're like, man,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't check out what I saw on film. So
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  Speaker 2: that's where and I was a teacher in a former life,
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  Speaker 2: that's where like you need to go check your work, right,
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  Speaker 2: like you need to go back to the drawing boards
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  Speaker 2: and make sure that you saw what you think you
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  Speaker 2: saw on film. And there's some guys, and this is
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  Speaker 2: from a historical perspective, some guys are bad testers. Some
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  Speaker 2: guys are great testers. And sometimes that's what I honestly
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  Speaker 2: does that matter.
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  Speaker 1: That is absolutely what I was hoping that you would say,
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  Speaker 1: because it happens, you know, it just happens in this
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  Speaker 1: world in general, whether seriously, whether it's academia or whether
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  Speaker 1: it's in the sports world. Some people just don't test
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  Speaker 1: very well, but when you put them in a particular
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  Speaker 1: life situation, they're going to excel.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's an important aspect of this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when I was when I was a teacher, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not to go like too far off off the beaten
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  Speaker 2: path here, but like when I was a teacher, you
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  Speaker 2: quickly found out that people learn in different ways, and
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  Speaker 2: they also are able to articulate their ideas in much
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  Speaker 2: different ways as well. Like some people you could sit
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  Speaker 2: down some students, you could sit down and say, tell
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  Speaker 2: me what you're seeing on this problem and explain your process,
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  Speaker 2: and they can explain it, but they can't practically sit
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  Speaker 2: down and do it. Like they're just not visual people
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  Speaker 2: or they're not just they're not the people that are
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  Speaker 2: just gonna be able to create a problems and solve
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  Speaker 2: it from step one to step six, but they understand
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  Speaker 2: what they're trying to do, right, So all those things
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  Speaker 2: are kind of correlated to the process because ultimately, and
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  Speaker 2: it was actually a conversation I was having with Joe
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast that kind of got me start on
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  Speaker 2: this because I had seen in the universe, like this
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  Speaker 2: particular offensive guard. Not gonna throw his name out there
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  Speaker 2: because I don't want to disparage the guy at all, Right,
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  Speaker 2: but everyone's talking about him being a great athlete and
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  Speaker 2: moving really well laterally because he tested well, like his
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  Speaker 2: explosiveness stuff was off the charts, but when you watch
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  Speaker 2: the film, it's not there, Like, it's just not there.
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  Speaker 2: He is a little bit of a slower plotter. Some
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  Speaker 2: guys again just test really well, but it's not practical
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  Speaker 2: to their game as an NFL athlete, and they can't
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  Speaker 2: do it when the bullets are firing more than anything, right,
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  Speaker 2: So they don't have reactionary skills. They don't have those
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  Speaker 2: things to be able to tangibly create it on the field.
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  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, there's always exceptions
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  Speaker 2: to every rule. But the rule for me has always
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  Speaker 2: been first and foremost, is it on film. If it's
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  Speaker 2: not on film, it probably will never be on film.
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  Speaker 2: If it is on film in little instances, then maybe
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  Speaker 2: there's some things that are stopping it from being a
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  Speaker 2: play to play two to play three from a play
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  Speaker 2: to play sequencing perspective. But regardless, if you don't see
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  Speaker 2: it on film at all, it's probably not there. So
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  Speaker 2: I really don't care about what the testing says in
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  Speaker 2: that type of scenario.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, film is so important, folks, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan just really drove that home with us here. And
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  Speaker 1: i'd also like to as we're continuing on with this
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  Speaker 1: evaluation process here, and I'd like to get into the
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  Speaker 1: scouting aspects more as we were just talking about the
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  Speaker 1: film versus testing numbers, and I'd love to know how
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  Speaker 1: much weight the interview and personality evaluations actually carry with
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  Speaker 1: these prospects. You know, when coaches and scouts have seen
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  Speaker 1: the film and they know what the analytics are, I
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  Speaker 1: wonder how high up a team's draft board or how
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  Speaker 1: low a player can rise or fall based on the
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  Speaker 1: interviews and personality evaluation. So that's another part of the
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  Speaker 1: scouting process. What are your thoughts here?
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  Speaker 2: It's becoming even more important than maybe it even once was,
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  Speaker 2: and it's always been important, but now that we have
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  Speaker 2: like the GPS tracking stuff where we cannot do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the testing before guys even test, and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the background of the strength conditioning and talking
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  Speaker 2: about that type of stuff. It's easier to project an
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  Speaker 2: athlete to whether they can stick on the NFL level
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  Speaker 2: or stick on the professional level. In general, it's harder
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  Speaker 2: to predict a person right, like it is much harder.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's the one thing and that's why I always
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  Speaker 2: push back on the data people to a degree, is
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  Speaker 2: that we are still greating human beings, right and we
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  Speaker 2: need as much if on these humans as possible because
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  Speaker 2: as we know, there are some people that make great
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  Speaker 2: decisions both on and off the field. There are some
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  Speaker 2: that make great decisions on the field and not off
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  Speaker 2: the field, and those people that don't do well on either.
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  Speaker 2: Like that just is the world we live in. So
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  Speaker 2: these players, I mean, first and foremost, they're gonna go
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  Speaker 2: to the combine or they're gonna go on the thirty visit.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna go, and the medical stabs are gonna poke
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  Speaker 2: and prod these players to understand not only short term
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  Speaker 2: but long term, is this a player that can even
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  Speaker 2: get to a second contract. That's why you always hear
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  Speaker 2: like those medical red flags on some of these players
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  Speaker 2: that you just don't can't project long term to being
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  Speaker 2: an asset to your team, like you just don't know
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  Speaker 2: if their body's gonna hold up. But then the other side,
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  Speaker 2: and probably the more important side, and unfortunately I know
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  Speaker 2: that James Pierce Junior thing is still ongoing. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to be definitive while a process is going,
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  Speaker 2: especially when legality is a part of the conversation. But
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  Speaker 2: when a player has some character red flags, that is
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  Speaker 2: a telltale sign that you need to do as much
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  Speaker 2: deep dive into that player as possible. Because these scoutings
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  Speaker 2: are not only talking about this one to one and
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  Speaker 2: getting as much information as possible from these campus visits
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  Speaker 2: and talking at people on the road and all this
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  Speaker 2: type of stuff. I mean a lot of these teams,
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  Speaker 2: I would say most of the teams, at least some
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  Speaker 2: teams I've talked to in this process, they have like
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  Speaker 2: private investigators. They're just doing as much dirt and try
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  Speaker 2: and find as much information on these players as possible.
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  Speaker 2: Because Jeffley, I think I think we lose sight of
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  Speaker 2: this sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: The NFL is a business. We know that, but you
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  Speaker 2: also need to understand that they're investing millions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: into these players, man, Like, I don't blame them for
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  Speaker 2: wanting as much information as possible. Yeah, and knowing if
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  Speaker 2: this person has a good body, where they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be able to be a long term asset. And two
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  Speaker 2: are they going to be a positive member of this team?
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  Speaker 2: Do they have those character red flags? Do they have
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  Speaker 2: leadership hang ups? Like all these things kind of do
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  Speaker 2: really bake into this conversation. So to answer your point
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  Speaker 2: as much as I can, it is a pivotal part,
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  Speaker 2: I would say personally, if like or dividing this up
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  Speaker 2: into a pie, the eye in the sky is number one.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about that already the film, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: though even more than athletic testing or what they did
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  Speaker 2: at either the Senior Bowl or the Shrine or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: that character is the second biggest part of that pie. Man.
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  Speaker 2: You need to make sure that you're investing into a
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  Speaker 2: good person and a good leader to be a part
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  Speaker 2: and be an asset free organization.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And look, there are gonna be some guys in
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  Speaker 1: this NFL draft, in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft
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  Speaker 1: that are gonna work out for some teams, not work
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  Speaker 1: out for some teams, whether it's because of physical health,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's because of mental health, and overall it's just
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  Speaker 1: gonna be, I think, a pretty fascinating draft in general.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into that. And it's going to a
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  Speaker 1: two part question here for you, because you know a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us that want to dive into the NFL
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  Speaker 1: Draft and have been now for.
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  Speaker 3: Several several weeks.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at certain players and we see certain film
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  Speaker 1: and we say, you know what, this guy may be
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  Speaker 1: a little overrated. This guy may be a little underrated
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the particular position that they're at. So
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  Speaker 1: start us off here. I mean, you've been watching a
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  Speaker 1: lot of film again, been watching you and you're co
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  Speaker 1: host Joe de Leone on your podcast talking about certain
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  Speaker 1: towns by position. Let's start off with who you believe
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  Speaker 1: might actually be one of the most overrated first round
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  Speaker 1: talents in this draft? And could it be because of
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  Speaker 1: what we you know, have been talking about already. What
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  Speaker 1: are your thoughts here?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's been the same guy for me
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  Speaker 2: on this question pretty consistently. I think there's a couple
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  Speaker 2: other that do kind of fit this label as well,
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  Speaker 2: but it's Caden Proctor from Alabama graphicsive tackle, and it
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  Speaker 2: just has been I I have And this happens every year, Jeff, Like,
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  Speaker 2: there's players that we know are going to go higher
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  Speaker 2: than where we have them graded, and we go back
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  Speaker 2: and we watch them again. And Caden Proctor is a
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  Speaker 2: very interesting situation where I have gone back to watch
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  Speaker 2: him twice outside of my initial view, and so I've
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  Speaker 2: watched him three different times, four plus games apiece, and
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  Speaker 2: at this point I probably have watched just about every
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  Speaker 2: one of his games outside of like the lower level
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  Speaker 2: competition this past year because I just don't get it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just don't. I mean, I understand the fascination first,
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  Speaker 2: Like from the first jump point, he is almost six
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  Speaker 2: foot seven, he's three undred and fifty one pounds, he's
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  Speaker 2: a very explosive athlete. Like those things are cool, right,
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  Speaker 2: and they're unteachables and they matter absolutely. But when we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about an offensive tackle in the NFL level, there
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  Speaker 2: are a couple of things that are paramount for me
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  Speaker 2: as an evaluator, and one of them, a big one
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  Speaker 2: is flexibility. And part of the flexibility is not only
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  Speaker 2: being able to bend, but it's being able to have
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  Speaker 2: the body contortion to be able to change direction and
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  Speaker 2: to match inside counters and just to just generally recover
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  Speaker 2: as an athlete. And I just don't see it with
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  Speaker 2: Caden Procter. Man, Like, when he has his outside shoulder threatens,
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  Speaker 2: he has a very tough time being able to recover
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  Speaker 2: and to protect his inside shoulder to be able to
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  Speaker 2: redirect in space. I think a team's going to draft
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  Speaker 2: him to be an offensive tackle, and I have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of hesitation for me. He is very much Mackay
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  Speaker 2: Beckton ish right where it's like, yeah, Mackai ended up
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  Speaker 2: being a real good player for the Eagles one year
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  Speaker 2: as a guard. Yeah, because you cut down on the
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  Speaker 2: space and you let him be a monster, right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: let him just be physical. That is what I think
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  Speaker 2: Caden Proctor can do on the next level. But unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: in this is the world we live in, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that I think it would have been Todd mcshade
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  Speaker 2: that may have said it on his show, and I
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  Speaker 2: had went back and talked to some people around the
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  Speaker 2: league that I know just to like verify things, because
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  Speaker 2: like you never take things word for word for people
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  Speaker 2: in terms of like there's always context, right, and there's
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  Speaker 2: always you want to do your own homework in those situations.
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  Speaker 2: But Todd it basically said, like there is some heats
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  Speaker 2: to a Caden Proctor being in the top ten in
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  Speaker 2: this draft in Cleveland. Browns at six is like one
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  Speaker 2: that he's heard, and I did my digging on it,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that there is some validity. So what
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  Speaker 2: Todd McShay said in terms of I think that most
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  Speaker 2: people have been mocking this young man in the late
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  Speaker 2: twenties to early thirties, and I think there's a possibility
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  Speaker 2: he's going to go top fifteen, if not top ten,
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  Speaker 2: And in that reality, we are just we are projecting
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  Speaker 2: way too much. And this is this is one of
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  Speaker 2: the folds of evaluation. I knew that Caden Proctor was
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  Speaker 2: going to be one of these guys even before Todd
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  Speaker 2: McShay did it, because there are checkpoints that people look
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  Speaker 2: at and they over emphasize. He is a three year starter,
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  Speaker 2: that is six seven, three point fifty one, it was
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  Speaker 2: a former five star recruit. Those things together make guys
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  Speaker 2: be over over value on the NFL level, and we're
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  Speaker 2: we're looking past the flaws that are on film and
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at him and saying well, he's a five
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  Speaker 2: star for a reason. Well, he was a three year
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  Speaker 2: star Alabama for a reason. Well, all these things right,
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  Speaker 2: and there is again a world where I think he
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  Speaker 2: becomes a good player a la a McKai Beckton. But
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  Speaker 2: there's also a situation that we think we're gonna put
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  Speaker 2: him in where we're all gonna look back and say, man,
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  Speaker 2: that was on film in Alabama, those flaws and we
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  Speaker 2: chose to ignore it for X Y or Z reason
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  Speaker 2: some of us.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, it's gonna be interesting to see where he falls
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  Speaker 1: for sure. And folks, we are gonna take a break here,
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  Speaker 1: but when we get back, we've got more draft talk
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna get into a Ryan's underrated underrated first
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  Speaker 1: round pick as well.
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  Speaker 3: Stick with us. We're gonna be back in just a bit.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We're back with our good b Ryan Roberts
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  Speaker 1: the conversation in terms of underrated draft prospects. The most
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  Speaker 1: underrated draft prospect you think in the first round we
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  Speaker 1: did overrated rate before the break who's the underrated guy?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think of the first round here?
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  Speaker 2: If it's okay, I would like to mention two guys
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  Speaker 2: who are absolutely conversed. Yeah, absolutely, because I think one
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  Speaker 2: is just strictly based upon what I think he is.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna go a little later, and I
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: understand why he's gonna go a little bit later, But
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: that's Shrmad McCoy from Tennessee, the talented cornerback. He's gone
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: through a lot over the last year. He got hurt
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: last spring towards acl miss the entire twenty twenty five season,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: chose not to work out at the Combine. So a
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: lot of people have just been like, hey, man, we
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: know that on the field in twenty twenty four Tennessee
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: you were elites. Yeah, you were a tremendous, tremendous player,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: but we just haven't seen you right, and like availability matter.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: But then he goes to the Pro day and he
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: runs like I think it was between four three seven
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: and four three to nine. Most teams had him, Matt
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: and he had thirty eight inch vert and he had
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: ten to seven broad and you look good in the
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: position drills. And I think that even though he had
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: that great showing, there's still gonna be some teams that
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: are a little bit hesitant just because we haven't seen
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: him on a football field and over a year at
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: this point, so some people are gonna be very hesitant
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: on that. So a team I think is gonna get
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: him between like pick twelve and pick twenty, probably somewhere
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: in that ballpark. And I personally think he's a top
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: five player in this class when he's healthy, Like I
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: just do so value. I think you're gonna find value there.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: The other guy that I think, I'm not certain is
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: a first round pick, but I think he could end
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: up being a first round pick, which is why I
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: wanted to mention the second guy here. But Chris Johnson
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: from San Diego State, who's another corner. I have now
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: gone through this process and I am at the point
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: where I'm just like, why isn't Chris Johnson a consensus
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: first round pick?
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Like what?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: And he's like in the thirties on the consensus board,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: which makes to account all the media, so like he's
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: well liked.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: But do you think it is? Yes, it is?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I think one it's the G five label that's
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: on him.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: He went to San Diego State. So like Kenny Rise
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: the occasion, but when I'm looking at him, I say,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: you went to the Senior Bowl. You looked like you belonged.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: You went to the combine, you ran four to four flat,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: you jumped like thirty nine inches or whatever it was.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: You tested exceptionally well, you had multi years of really
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: good film and the twenty twenty five film was phenomenal
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: at San Diego State. And you actually had a couple
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: of your best games against the better competition that you
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: played at San Diego State. So he has continued as
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Chuck Boxes and the thing that sold me on him most,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: and we talked about the character and the football IQ
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: and the personality all that type of stuff he is in.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I think I've been the six or seven combines at
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: this point, and I didn't mean to do the six
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: sixty seventh thing. I'm sorry. I didn't actually didn't need
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: to do that on this podcast.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: But all right, I've been tired with it over the
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: past year.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, I know you have kids, so like you get it. Yeah,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I have kids too, and yes they overuse it very much. Yes,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: but so I've been I've been to quite a few
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: comments at this point, and I would say that I
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: don't think I've ever been as impressed by a young
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: man interviewing in my time there. I just don't think
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I have. And I've done hundreds of like one off
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: interviews on YouTube channels in the past two right, So,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: like such an articulate dude and so well spoken, and
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: how he was able to explain his identification on the
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: back ends and his responsibilities and how his recognition changes
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: throughout depending on what is I see and everything. I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: was so impressed. And then I went back and luckily
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I do have some people that I know around the
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: san Ustate program, and I asked them, like, tell me
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: about Chris Johnson, like just please tell me about him,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: And they did not say a single bad word about him,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: like just sung his praises. And then I talked to
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a couple of scouts that I know around the NFL,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, character report on this kid. What
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: you got one of the cleanest character reports ever, Like
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: just great kid, gives back to the community, loves ball
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: like all these So I'm again looking at great film,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: great athletes, really well spoken, great character. I think this
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: kid's gonna go in the first round, Like I just do.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: And I think that some people are gonna watch him
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: go in the first round. They're gonna be like, oh
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: my god, a corner from San Diego State. Yeah, and
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: we're gonna forget that. Just a couple of years ago,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: we got a corner from Toledo who's been an All pro.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Like that doesn't matter anymore, man, Like it just doesn't
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: matter exactly.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: And we're gonna have another.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have another Toledo, Toledo defensive back in the
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: first round, most likely in this test too, So like
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: it just it just doesn't matter. So Chris Johnson, I
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: think I mocked into the Dallas Cowboys that picked twenty
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the other day.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: And I don't I don't.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Feel I know, I'm sorry, man, but I jev I
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: did it though, and I didn't feel dirty, you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: like I didn't feel like I was doing it just
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to create a conversation. Like I was like, you know what,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and we haven't done our cornerback show on best spot available.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: But Chris Johnson is gonna be my CB three in
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: this class. Like he is right after McCoy, right after Delane.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Chris Johnson is the guy. So yeah, I love Chris Johnson,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: San Diego State. He's one of my favorite players that
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I've ever evaluated, to be honest.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, the Philadelphia Eagles. You know we're a Philadelphia
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: sports podcast. You know, the Philadelphia Eagles are gonna need,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I believe, some help on the defensive side of the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: ball in terms of developing young talent over the course
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: of these next few years.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Chris Johnson, I would love it if the Eagles would
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: take him.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: In their twenty what is twenty three to twenty four.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I'm forgetting me twenty three, yeah, three, And look, I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: would love it if they could get Chris Johnson. But
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I also think when it comes to the Philadelphia Eagles,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and I know there are a lot of other NFL
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: teams as well that need to have some depth on
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the defensive line. Look, I love a guy like Caden MacDonald.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, he is one of the best run defenders
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: in this class. And if he's there, yeah, I think
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the Eagles should absolutely draft him as well. There's a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: lot of good defensive talent. I think that the Philadelphia
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Eagles in general can take other teams as well right
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: around that you know, twenty's late twenty as picks as well.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, Ryan on the top defensive tackles
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: in this draft class this year and how would you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: assess the tackles in the class overall.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I think if you need a pure nose tackle type,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of value in this class.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And he just mentioned Katie McDonald's he is the best
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: nose tackle in this class. The guy that could you're
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: just gonna line up, you know, zero or a shade
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: or a one. You're just gonna tell him to beat
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the you know what out of in front of him,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Like that's just what he does. And there's a lot
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of those guys man like Lee Hunter out of Texas Tech,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you're gonna go down to like late day two, day three,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to Dante Corleone out of Cincinnati, Chris McClellan out of Missouri. Like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of those nose tackle types in this
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: class where you're just like value from round one to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: round four because nose tackles do sometimes fall a little bit,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: especially if they don't have a ton of pass rush
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: up side.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: So, but in the twenty twenty sixth group, if you
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: need a nose a guy that's just gonna be a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: brute and do a lot of the dirty work. There's
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys to choose from the three tech
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: penetrator types. Not a great class for that, Like you're
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: not gonna find a You're not gonna find a Jaalen
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Carter in this class, and you're not gonna find anybody
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: in like that vein either, like a guy that's a
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: true penetrate type. You're just because even the guys that
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you do have that are like that to have some
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: question marks, like a Peter Woods out of Clemson in
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: terms of like why his production dipped from twenty twenty
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: four to twenty twenty five. There's always gonna be value
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: of like a Caleb Proctor from Southeastern Louisiana somewhere in
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the in the mid rounds, and guys like Grayson Holton
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: out of Oklahoma, Like there's no value to be found
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: in those penetrators, but there's just not a lot of
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of them in this class. So if you
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: want a guy that's gonna be able to split a
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: gap and make a play in the backfield, it's probably
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: not the class for you to find value. But if
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you just want to pure nose tackle type, there's a
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: lot of guys from rounds one to four that I
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: think are going to be able to come in and
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: play at least in some type of role in twenty
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: twenty six.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, Well, folks, when we get back,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: we got more Eagles talk as it pertains to the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: NFL Draft. We're gonna take one more break here when
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: we get back, more NFL Draft talk with Ryan Roberts
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: from A to ZA Sports.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: We're gonna take that break. Now.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a bit. All right, let's
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: dive now into some some Philadelphia Eagles talk ause it
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: pertains to the draft, because there was something interesting that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you would tweet it out. Love following you on Twitter.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: By the way, by the way, why don't you get
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: out some socials here? I forgot to let you do
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: your promos at the beginning of the show here, Oh
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: my gosh, right, get get out some promos, buddy.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's really only Twitter for me at rise
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and drafts. On Twitter's where like my my biggest following
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: is and you can follow the pot at best pot
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: available on YouTube. I'm on TikTok and Instagram. But like
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: it's like I think, I think it's R and D
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: scouting for both. Like I barely go on those those platforms.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I know I probably should
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: be better at my job, but yeah, Twitter, Twitter at
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: rise in draft if you want the actual content, I
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: suppose it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Just gets overwhelming with all the sites. It just gets
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: like and then there's so many.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It's someone so many in my site was like, you
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: need to start doing blue Sky more because it's general general,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: like it's gradually growing. And I'm like, okay, so I'm
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: on blue Sky and I have like five hundred followers
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: or something. I'm like, all right, there you go. There's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: blue Sky.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: There you go, there you go.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Well look, I was looking at and as I see
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: your Twitter posts come up on my feed, you recently
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: tweeted out an indication that the Eagles may trade up
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: at the top of the second round. I thought it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was interesting. So what's giving you those vibes and feelings
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: when looking at the Eagles in this draft that they
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: may do something like that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, Howie Roseman's obviously a great general manager, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I think that he's a person that is also willing
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to be aggressive, like we've seen aggressive this throughout drafts
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: in general. Like I remember when they remember when they
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: traded out for DeVonta Smith and for a second, I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be Michael Parsons and they drafted DeVante
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Smith and then they're aggressive and they're okay with taking
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: guys that maybe have some question marks like a Jaalen Carter.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So like, I just think that and how he is
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: traded back a lot too, because he likes to recoup
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: value and all those types of things as well. But like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I just don't I think he's a very unpredictable general manager, right,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Like I think that he's a guy that is no
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: problem being aggressive moving up when he needs to be.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I also think that he is a guy that like
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: to move back and be able to recoup his mounth
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: pitch picks because he's a he's he's a general manager
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: that he understands manipulation. And I kind of it's so
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: curious sometimes where I'm like, I don't even know why
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: teams do business with him sometimes because I feel like
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: he always gets the value against them, you know, like
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: some of these trades. Man, I'm just like, especially when
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: he does like player trades, I'm like man, how did.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: He get that much back?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: That's that's crazy to me, you know, or how much?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: How did he not have to pay anything for that?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And then you you know, the cap cap manipulation that
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: he does always is top notch and everything. So I
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: just in a in a class that's a little bit
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of a wild card. I think the Philadelphia Eagles could
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: be one of those teams where it's like a team
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: that could potentially be on the move one way or
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the other. Like they're one team that just kind of
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: strikes me for whatever reason, because they also do have
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and this can go into more deeper conversation, I guess
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: they also have more needs than I think people realize
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: absolutely on this team like they do. I mean because
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: wide receiver depending on the A. J. Brown situation after
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: July get to that and all that type of stuff,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So like what's gonna happen with with AJ Brown? And
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: then you have an edge need obviously as well. You
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: need to kind of get some younger talent there. And
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you have a safety need, you have a corner two need,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: like you, you have some needs on this Eagles team.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's still obviously a great roster comparatively to most other
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: teams in the NFL and then there's a lot of
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: upper echelon roster, but they do. And I mean that's
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: not even accounting, Like I feel gotta keep mocking a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: right tackle to throw out the Eagles even though they're
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: gonna play in twenty twenty six, because it's like when
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: is Lane When is Lane Johnson gonna hang it up?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You know, and then you're off the landon Dickerson stuff,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: where like his body's starting to break down, Like there's
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: there's needs on this team to be filled.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Man, there's needs absolutely. Well, look, you mentioned the AJ
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Brown situation, and honestly, it's not It's not something we've
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: talked a lot about on this show because there's a
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: lot of noise within the world of Philly sports talk radio,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: some of the TV personalities, all the crap going on
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts right now. It's it's there's a lot
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of ridiculousness out there. But I did find it interesting
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that you and your co host uh again are friend
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of the Padjo da Le uploaded a recent mock draft
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: over at Best Pod Available and over at a to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Za Sports, and you specifically had the Eagles taking wide
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: receiver Casey Concepcion from Texas A and M because of
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the whole AJ Brown situation. So I'm are you sticking
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: with that or are you feeling like the Eagles take
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the first round because of this situation?
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Your thoughts to close us.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Out here on this, buddy, Well, I think I think
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: that what they do in the first two rounds of
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: this draft are going to tell us the story of
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: what's gonna happen with AJ Brown tip or hat, because
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: they have to write, like, I mean, DeVante Smith is
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: obviously a great football player, right, and he's gonna do
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: his stuff that he's always done. Arguably a number one
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: outside puably a number one yeah, you know, yeah, arguably
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: number one outside of him. Though, if you don't have
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: a J. Brown, it's like, what do we have exactly
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to be excited about? So I think that they need
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to invest early if the AJ Brown saga is ending
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the soft season. And I am I'm I'm. I live
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in South Jersey, so I listen to WIP and and
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: all these radio stations, and I WAT and I listen
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to people that are supposedly a lot more plugged in
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and all this type of stuff. And I keep hearing,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and I keep hearing, and I keep hearing, and obviously
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I followed the aj Brown stuff over the last I mean,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: this isn't a new thing, like this has been a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: thing for years. You know, It's just ya for whatever reason,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: he is just seems very unhappy a lot. He seems
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to have a little bit of a beef with the quarterback.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Like it's just it's it's there, right, So at some
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: point it's gonna end. I don't know if it's gonna
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: be this offseason for sure, but like it's going to
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: end at some point, like it is, right, And I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: think then and there's a lot of smoke out there
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: with like the New England Patriots, and I think the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Rams were involved in a minute. But like obviously later
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: this offseason, it's gonna be much easier to trade and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: do all that type of stuff. And I am mentally
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: preparing myself. And this is not insider trade. I don't
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: know if he's gonna get traded for sure, but I
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: do think that there is a whole lot of smoke, man,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: and it's been smoking now for a couple of years,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and I think that there's gonna be a point where
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: there's probably a breaking point with the AJ Brown situation,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and it could happen this offseason, and in that particular
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: mock I looked at it and said, Casey Conceptsio was
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: on the board, Who's a very different player than AJ Brown.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: AJ is you know, AJ six one two twenty something
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: physical after the catch, while Casey's a much different player
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: at you know, five eleven and one hundred and ninety
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: six to two hundred pounds. He does a lot of
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the same things that AJ also does do well though
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in terms of after the catch, he just does it differently,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: like he's not physical after the catch. He's a really
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  Speaker 2: good space player after the catch, can make guys missing
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  Speaker 2: tight quarters like that type of stuff. So in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: I was trying because in reality, if Chris Bell from
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  Speaker 2: Louisville wasn't hurts like, that would be my guy. Where
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, twenty three, that might be Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bell spot but with him coming back from the ACL
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  Speaker 2: tear and maybe not being available for the beginning part
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  Speaker 2: of the beginning of season, I looked at Casey Conceptsyo
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm gonna try to recreate some of
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: what AJ does in a different package, right, because I
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: just think that the value was there. And then also
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  Speaker 2: even if if AJ does play for another year, let's
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  Speaker 2: say I do think of an offense that has Casey
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  Speaker 2: Conceptsion working out of the slots, and then you also
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  Speaker 2: have those two guys outside and you can mix the
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: match skill sets in and out with both of them. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So I actually think that it could be a nice
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: short term fix for wide receiver three, and then eventually
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  Speaker 2: he is your wide receiver two and we'll see what
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  Speaker 2: happens with his development after that. So yeah, it's definitely
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  Speaker 2: to help yourself in case the AJ Brown stuff does
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  Speaker 2: go south. But again, like the breaking point I think
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  Speaker 2: is gonna happen somewhere, and I think that the value
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: there for Casey conception because I asked another question on
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Twitter the other day, Jeff, because I've watched a ton
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: of Casey conceptsi on. Yeah, a ton of them, because
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: he has like he's like drop percentages too high, and
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  Speaker 2: like there's some stuff about him that makes him an
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  Speaker 2: imperfect prospect obviously, but I have yet to find a game,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and I even watch the LSU game and I thought
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Manswort Delaine had a battle with him, right, like they
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: were battle back and forth. But every of these draft
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: eligible corners that I keep hearing about, like in the
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: first round and like Brandon CIEs from from South Carolina
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  Speaker 2: and a couple other guys, I'm like, is there any
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  Speaker 2: draft eligible cornerback this year that had a good game
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  Speaker 2: against Casey Concepcion? Like it was? There one like I was.
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  Speaker 2: He's just opened constantly. So I think that he would
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: be a nice weapon for Jalen Hurts regardless of the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown situation. But also I think if the AG
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Brown situation does come to an end, I think that
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  Speaker 2: he is a guy that can plug and play and
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  Speaker 2: be able to give you some offense that you desperately
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: need after the catch.
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  Speaker 1: Some great analysis folks from our good friend Ryan Roberts
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  Speaker 1: over at A two Z Sports also best pod available
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  Speaker 1: in NFL Draft Podcast. Search them out on YouTube and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you can also find Ryan over on the Twitter slash
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  Speaker 1: x at rise and draft. My friend, it was great
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: talking to you. I always enjoy our conversations here about
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  Speaker 1: college football prospects and man, it's gonna be a great
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  Speaker 1: NFL draft. I'd love it if you would come back,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know, at some point down the road and we
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: can dive into some more college football prospects and what
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: some of these guys may look like as they head
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  Speaker 1: to the NFL. Come back and join us, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: I will be there, Jeff. You just let me know, man,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you as always.
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