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Motor City Mad Mouth Show with Special Guest Mickey Callaway · Motor City Mad Mouth

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  Speaker 1: Help me, won't it?
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  Speaker 2: Double header? That's what special guests MotorCity Mad Mouse Show,
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  Speaker 2: what the MotorCity Man Mop in the house. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: joined by my spresional guest, and obviously the newest member
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  Speaker 2: of our network is former New York Mets manager Mickey Callaway.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Big Show, Welcome to the network.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Scott. I'm really excited about it. This
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  Speaker 1: is going to be wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this is gonna be unbelievable. I had to put
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  Speaker 2: up with me a couple of years during spring and
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  Speaker 2: I dropped every bomb and I can hit him. Look first,
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  Speaker 2: offic he stood there and took every last one. And
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  Speaker 2: bring him out, bring him up, and you know what
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  Speaker 2: I did. Nicky gets to answering him, and guess what,
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  Speaker 2: Now he's gonna have to answer a lot more questions nowadays,
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  Speaker 2: him and I and nobody else in the Big Apple
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  Speaker 2: media to run interference has always been good, so I've
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  Speaker 2: never had a problem to miss anyway, I'm glad to
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  Speaker 2: have you on. Everybody will give you a big overview
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  Speaker 2: over be talking about with Nickey tonight. Obviously he's a
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  Speaker 2: baseball lifer. He's going to give you a basic background
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  Speaker 2: about some of the places that he stopped, and we
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  Speaker 2: will talk about a lot of base on a couple
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  Speaker 2: of things as he's had to deal with as well
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  Speaker 2: off the field that he's some issues that he's getting
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  Speaker 2: worked out. My goal is to make sure that when
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  Speaker 2: Mitt we're all sat and done with Mickey, now only
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  Speaker 2: do we become a one good fut one to two
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  Speaker 2: combination and talking baseball, but he's going to fit in
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  Speaker 2: with the rest of the network with our baseball analysts
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  Speaker 2: as well. I wouldn't bring on a person like Nicky
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  Speaker 2: unless my feeling told me he was the right guy
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  Speaker 2: to bring on and to be able to bring on
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  Speaker 2: have my own internal skipper. Talking about the game that
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  Speaker 2: I played for a lot of ears and its covered
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  Speaker 2: for over four decades to me as an absolute thrill.
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  Speaker 2: And I am happy that Mickey is joining the Southward
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  Speaker 2: of Tribute Broadcasting Network to provide expertise in the baseball
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  Speaker 2: area and a guy that I trust very well will
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  Speaker 2: be able to be a compliment to what we're doing
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  Speaker 2: here on the network. Any questions or comments and all
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  Speaker 2: about that, Mickey.
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  Speaker 1: No, I thanks for the introduction, Scott, and I look
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  Speaker 1: forward to grilling me some more on these podcasts like
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  Speaker 1: you did when I was managing it was it was great.
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  Speaker 1: You know, challenging questions are the best and I think
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  Speaker 1: as baseball lifers we thrive off of those. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you'll get a steady diet and I will you
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  Speaker 2: know what it's like with war not like I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what my style is life? Sure O real? All
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  Speaker 2: right thought anyway, man, let's talk about a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about your background on yourself whyt to just give a
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  Speaker 2: general review, and then we'll talk about your title with
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  Speaker 2: the Angels. So we'll just step I stack.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, obviously grew up playing the game
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  Speaker 1: that that we both love. From the age of six
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  Speaker 1: on I I was I was just into Bay base
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  Speaker 1: Ball like no other. My dad named me after Mickey Mantle,
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  Speaker 1: named my brother after Casey Stingle. So he was a
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  Speaker 1: huge Yankees fan growing up and a huge baseball guy,
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  Speaker 1: and he played college ball and I got to go
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  Speaker 1: to see all of his softball games when I was
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  Speaker 1: growing up, and it's just a game that I love.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, fortunately enough, when I was little, I
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  Speaker 1: could throw the ball really hard and got to kind
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  Speaker 1: of thrive at the high school level and get to
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  Speaker 1: I got drafted out of high school in the sixteenth round.
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  Speaker 1: I tore my only collateral ligament my high school the
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  Speaker 1: second game of my high school season in high school
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  Speaker 1: and wasn't able to pitch the rest of the year,
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  Speaker 1: So I was kind of a draft and follow in
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  Speaker 1: the sixteenth round by the San Francisco Giants and chose
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  Speaker 1: to go to college at the University of Mississippi, Ole Miss,
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  Speaker 1: which has a great historic baseball program, and I was
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  Speaker 1: lucky enough to under Don Kessinger, the ex Cubs shortstop,
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  Speaker 1: and he managed a little bit in the big league.
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  Speaker 1: So it was the perfect fit for me to go
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  Speaker 1: to college and learn kind of the professional way because
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  Speaker 1: he kind of ran our program in a professional way.
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  Speaker 1: And was lucky enough to get drafted in the seventh
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  Speaker 1: round by the Tampa Bay Rays the Devil Rays at
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  Speaker 1: the time, and I was one of their first I
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  Speaker 1: was in their first draft. Actually, we didn't even have
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  Speaker 1: a spring training complex at the time. We trained at
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  Speaker 1: a field that Babe Ruth did spring training on back
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  Speaker 1: in the day. It was one field. We had a
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  Speaker 1: half field in the outfield, and it was just a
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  Speaker 1: great experience so great organization to get drafted by their
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  Speaker 1: grade at player development. I was with them for a
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  Speaker 1: few years. Was able to make my major league debut
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  Speaker 1: in ninety nine after getting drafted in ninety six, and then,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had a really good game. My major
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  Speaker 1: league debut was six innings. I got the win. I
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  Speaker 1: went two for three with an RBI against the Expos
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  Speaker 1: and it was kind of downhill from there. It was
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  Speaker 1: like making an eagle on the first ball at golf
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  Speaker 1: and then trying to live up to it. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was able to play for quite some time and
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  Speaker 1: kind of bounced around from you know, the minor leagues
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  Speaker 1: and major leagues. I got traded over to Anaheim Angels
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  Speaker 1: and the winner of two thousand and one, and then
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  Speaker 1: we fortunately won the World Series in two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 1: so I was able to get a World Series ring.
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  Speaker 1: I think I made six starts down the stretch for
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  Speaker 1: those guys at the end of the year and was
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  Speaker 1: able to help them out, you know, in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: not on the roster, but pitching to our own hitters
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  Speaker 1: to keep them fresh so we could go win a
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  Speaker 1: World Series. And that was that was a great highlight
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  Speaker 1: of my career, and then I went over to the
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  Speaker 1: Texas Rangers pitched with them for about a year and
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  Speaker 1: a half, and then after that I signed to go
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  Speaker 1: over to Korea and played in the KBO for three
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  Speaker 1: years and really really enjoyed my time in Korea. What
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  Speaker 1: a great country, great baseball fans. And then I had
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  Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery at I think around the age of
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  Speaker 1: thirty two, came back in about ten months and pitched
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  Speaker 1: in Taiwan, and then, uh, that was kind of the
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  Speaker 1: end of my career in two thousand and nine. And
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  Speaker 1: then in twenty ten, I started coaching in the Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: Indians organization the now Guardians, and was able to kind
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  Speaker 1: of climb the ranks with them and become Terry Francona's
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  Speaker 1: pitching coach when he got hired. And you know that
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  Speaker 1: we had we made a great run at the World
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  Speaker 1: Series there in twenty sixteen, and we had some great
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  Speaker 1: teams and I was lucky enough to have some really
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  Speaker 1: really great pictures, so they kind of made me look good.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was able to go on and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, interview for a couple of managerial jobs. I
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  Speaker 1: interviewed with Philadelphia Phillies on one day, and then took
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  Speaker 1: the train over to New York and interviewed with Actually
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  Speaker 1: it was the opposite. I interviewed with the New York Mets,
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  Speaker 1: took the train over to Philly, interviewed with them for
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  Speaker 1: about seven or eight hours that day, And when I
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  Speaker 1: got out of my interview with the Phillies, Sandy Alderson
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  Speaker 1: had called me and offered me the job to manage
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  Speaker 1: the New York Mets. So that was that was definitely
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  Speaker 1: a great day, uh, in my in my career. I
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyed that. And then from there a couple of
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  Speaker 1: seasons with the New York Mets, and then I went
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  Speaker 1: on to be the pitching coach for the Anaheim Angels
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  Speaker 1: during the COVID season, which was was kind of a surreal,
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  Speaker 1: surreal year. You know, no fans in the stands getting
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  Speaker 1: tested every day. That was kind of tough, but we
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  Speaker 1: made the best of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually I was for sure. I started covering
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  Speaker 2: to Miami Marlins. I was covering the Tigers for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of years, but then the Marlins was another story.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's he gave a lot there. So let's
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  Speaker 2: go ahead and backtrack a little on some of that
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  Speaker 2: first of all, what was it like to work with
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  Speaker 2: Mike Sosha.
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  Speaker 1: So, So, Mike, Mike was amazing, Right. I paid attention
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  Speaker 1: to detail, really stressed the small things in the game.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you look at our roster in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two, it wasn't the most talented roster. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we had some great players, obviously, but what really stood
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  Speaker 1: out is the way we ran the bases, the way
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  Speaker 1: we situationally hit, and all of those real, you know,
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  Speaker 1: small ball type you know things that Sosia stressed on
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  Speaker 1: a daily basis. He was He was a master motivator
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  Speaker 1: at playing the game the right way. So you know
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  Speaker 1: there is something to that. You know, you can't just
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  Speaker 1: go out there and try to hit home runs. You
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  Speaker 1: have to be a team, you have to come together.
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  Speaker 1: We had great chemistry and uh, our guys played as
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  Speaker 1: a team and we ended up winning the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: So Mike, Mike was was fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: So are you surprised Mike Sosia has not landed a
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  Speaker 2: second managerial job after a successful tenure that he's had
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  Speaker 2: with the Angels.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think if Mike really wanted it,
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  Speaker 1: he could bribe Vine one. Uh, you know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: he uh, you know, had a great run with the Angels,
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  Speaker 1: and and if he really wanted to, I'm sure he
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  Speaker 1: could because he's a great manager.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Dodgers job open. He's been over opening
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I won't be opening for a long time. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get into that show. But that there's anyone who would
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  Speaker 2: have been a natural part, it would have been Mike
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  Speaker 2: Sosia for sure, no doubt about that. So let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about the specialty. We know that, uh, pitching is your
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  Speaker 2: special team. What is it that you like about pitching
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  Speaker 2: the most?
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously I grew up pitching and and that
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  Speaker 1: was kind of all my always my main position. And
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  Speaker 1: I have a passion for the mental side out of
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  Speaker 1: the game. I have a passion for prep work leading
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  Speaker 1: up to pitching mechanics. I love learning how the body works.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, all the latest technology has really
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  Speaker 1: helped pitching. Coaches try to explain things to pitchers to
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  Speaker 1: get them to really understand in their brain what their
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  Speaker 1: hand is doing, how the ball is coming off of
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  Speaker 1: their hand. And I really embraced that along the way,
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  Speaker 1: and it really helps you be a solid teacher of
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  Speaker 1: you know, all facets of baseball and pitching. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just have a passion for it and I love it,
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  Speaker 1: and I love working with kids and young adults and.
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  Speaker 2: See and I'm a catcher. I love catching. I used
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  Speaker 2: to like to go out there and take those mound
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  Speaker 2: business and get in the empires there tib Ruski nigeron,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get your Savannah this question just a moment,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna also talk about Callaway brand Josh Athor
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  Speaker 2: in just a couple of minutes. So I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: put those keep them in the chat, and one I
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  Speaker 2: get ready talk about them all post them up here
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  Speaker 2: for sure. I want to address these questions right away
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  Speaker 2: with Mick all the fresh in my head. Now. One
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  Speaker 2: thing I liked about catching is that was awful in
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  Speaker 2: the outfield when my catchers didn't show up the Little
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  Speaker 2: League and my dad had me managing. It wasn't a dance.
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  Speaker 2: I'm being in buying for a son. Nobody wanted to
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  Speaker 2: play the position, and I raised my hand. I got
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  Speaker 2: an nerve filing position I could play because you're singing
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  Speaker 2: in the game and all the time poring out the pictures.
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  Speaker 2: And I once I got the position, I never give
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  Speaker 2: it back. I used to talk to the umpire manipulate.
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  Speaker 2: I knew all the framing stuff. I can imagine it'd
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  Speaker 2: have been late to catcher. You know one of my friends,
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Ander and Andrews, who you probably have heard of before.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chuck is one of my best friends. I
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  Speaker 1: love Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we go back to our days before lower Daily Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: and he and we alviously used to joke around about
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  Speaker 2: him about his pickoff move. Yeah. I had to have
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  Speaker 2: a good victa move because I couldn't get anybody out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember him telling me that when he was
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  Speaker 1: my pitching coach in a ball and then he ended
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  Speaker 1: up being he ended up being my bullpen coach in
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  Speaker 1: New York. Great great man, great baseball man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's Oh, he's sure. Every time I see him,
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  Speaker 2: we always exchange I got his numbers somewhere I don't
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  Speaker 2: know about, but but that's I used to love framing pitches,
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  Speaker 2: getting the empires, agitating the hitter, and my brother was
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  Speaker 2: and I joked around about it. You know, I was
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  Speaker 2: a picture said, guys like me make you better because
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  Speaker 2: I can frame pitches.
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  Speaker 1: And here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but it's just a little lighthearted siblings stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but let's address these other lighthearted questions first and then
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  Speaker 2: I want to get to things about the Tommy John
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  Speaker 2: surgery and chants. Okay, all right, First of all, say, Rusks,
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  Speaker 2: what's your opinion of the Savannah Bananas.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I I Obviously it's successful, So you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure people, uh first and foremost want to you know,
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  Speaker 1: establish something that's entertaining the fans and makes a little
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  Speaker 1: money in their pocket, and it's seems to be working
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  Speaker 1: really well. I know a lot of these So I'm
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  Speaker 1: working with some younger kids nowadays with Easily Baseball Club
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  Speaker 1: here in Memphis, Tennessee, and these guys take some time
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  Speaker 1: off to go see the Savannah Bananas and they just
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  Speaker 1: absolutely love it. So I'm up for anything that brings
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  Speaker 1: more attention to the game of baseball. I know they
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  Speaker 1: do some quirky stuff, and I've seen some highlights, but
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  Speaker 1: I have to say, some of those guys are really
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  Speaker 1: really talented to be able to like bounce the ball
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  Speaker 1: between their legs and throw a strike to first and
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  Speaker 1: get a guy out on a ground ball. You know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously it's not real baseball, but it's definitely entertaining to
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  Speaker 1: it to a lot of fans. So I'm all for
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  Speaker 1: anything that sheds are game and a great light and
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  Speaker 1: brings more interest to it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're Gldcutters of baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when I was a young kid loving
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  Speaker 1: to go, wanting to go see the Harlem Globe Trotters,
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  Speaker 1: and I finally got to here in Memphis and it
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  Speaker 1: was amazing. So you know, I I can see that
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  Speaker 1: kids would really enjoy that.
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  Speaker 2: And my dad took me to that and the rest
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  Speaker 2: of us, you know, on my birthday out kild Olympia,
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  Speaker 2: Sanwich trailer is pretty good. Pretty good question too. I
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  Speaker 2: like this one. I don't talk a lot of golf,
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  Speaker 2: but your name makes it really easy to do it,
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  Speaker 2: to see as you have an association with the Callaway
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  Speaker 2: branded also of the big birth of you ever want
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  Speaker 2: to go on to j help me get rid of
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  Speaker 2: some of your frustrations by smacking and thence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I played plenty of golf. I wish I
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  Speaker 1: was related. I wish Eli or whatever his name is
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  Speaker 1: was my uncle, but unfortunately not. I get that question
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  Speaker 1: all the time. But I don't love to play golf,
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  Speaker 1: but I hit titleists.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go, Johns, that's a good question. I
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  Speaker 2: really liked the fact that he brought it up and
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  Speaker 2: pertinent to what we're talking about for sure. All right,
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  Speaker 2: so now what you talk about fact they had to
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  Speaker 2: deal with Tommy John surgery. So do you feel Tommy
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  Speaker 2: John himself personally belongs in the Hall of Fame pioneer
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  Speaker 2: right after he had the surgery? I know he's borer line,
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  Speaker 2: but still, you know, you don't just evaluate it by wins.
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  Speaker 2: The loss of it contributions to the.
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  Speaker 1: Game, right know. I agree with you there. I think
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  Speaker 1: that maybe he should be in. You know, his name
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  Speaker 1: is synonymous with with a famous surgery that that most
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  Speaker 1: pitchers these days, because we throw so hard, are having.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, if you look at his numbers there,
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  Speaker 1: they're right up there with a lot of the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of famers. You know, I think the main thing with
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  Speaker 1: him was the longevity. I think he had the second
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  Speaker 1: most years pitching in the big leagues behind Nolan Ryan
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty eight wins. You're close to three
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  Speaker 1: hundred wins. I think that, you know, he's right up
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  Speaker 1: there with a lot of them, and you know, he
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  Speaker 1: he deserves to be in. You know, at least just
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  Speaker 1: because of the surgery. At the least.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been maintained in that position for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I'll maintain another position. My good friend Don Mattingly belonged
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  Speaker 2: in there too. Eventually contend there no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what with with Don. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy you want in the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame. What a fantastic, fantastic person, unbelievable coach. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously we get to see him uh playing when we
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  Speaker 1: were growing up, But this guy can really coach the
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  Speaker 1: game of baseball.
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  Speaker 2: And time management. I worked there for a few years
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  Speaker 2: and we're so good friends. I have his phone number
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully seem enough later on this summer when the
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  Speaker 2: chase come down. We'll talk about to James a little
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  Speaker 2: bit later in this broadcast, for sure. But Don knows
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  Speaker 2: me real well. He knows I got something on my mind.
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  Speaker 2: He gives me a nice little talk. Try what's up.
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  Speaker 2: I need to hit talk to you a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's one of those types of people know personality.
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  Speaker 2: I like you. He's become a good friend and a brother.
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  Speaker 2: When you know somebody for a while and after a
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  Speaker 2: while it doesn't just come just say one of those
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  Speaker 2: things were you know, I know who you are. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not no strangers who doesn't know what what you're all about.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of thing I have with Don alone, what
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  Speaker 2: we've developed the last few years as well. So let's
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: talk about your experience as the Mets managers and the
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Eldeston button on board. Obviously, I am managing in the
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Big Apple, which is the number one media market in
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: the country. We know the Mets have a hey quite
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the success to the Yankees, But what was that experience
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: like to be to manage in the number one media
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: market in the country.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: You know what, I absolutely loved it. First and foremost.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I loved managing. You know, I loved the challenges of it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I love the daily routine of it. I'm a very
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: routine oriented person and I and I really really enjoyed it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: You know, managing in New York, and I've said this
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to a lot of people, it's like playing in the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: playoffs in Cleveland, but you're doing it every day of
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the season right in Cleveland. You have two or three reporters.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: You know, it's the buzz is there, but it's not
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: quite playoff caliber. Buzz until you're actually in the playoffs.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: But when you're in New York, it is a playoff atmosphere.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Every single day. It's do or die. It's when that
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: day and everybody's elated, it's lose that day, and everybody's
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: down in the in the Dompson depressed, and it makes
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: for a great, great and exciting season. So I absolutely
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: loved every part of it.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's transition on an area where I've talked about
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: it before, that you ran into some outfield difficulties. Okay,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: and it's not We're not going to sugarcoat the thing.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: There are some allegations about sexual harassment that were in
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: your direction. I'm gonna let you it's a career of hiccup,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: So I want you to go into more details about
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: what transpired during all these entire situations.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh, you know what happened was I made
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: some mistakes. I had some consensual relationships throughout my coaching career,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and uh, I made some bad decisions, you know, I think,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and then you know, I'm I'm very remorseful for that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I'm very sorry to anybody I made feel uncomfortable in
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: any way. I think you'll get to know this. I'm
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: just a super positive, super kind guy. I try to
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: be as kind as I can to everybody, and sometimes
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: some of that kindness led to some friendships, and then
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: those friendships led to some flirting on on both sides.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And that's just not a very intelligent thing to do
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in the workplace, and I paid the price for it. Now,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I will say this, those articles that were written were
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: not very accurate.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: You know, they.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Obviously sensationalized it so it would be a bigger story
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: than it really was. I'm not discounting some of the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: mistakes I made that, you know, the consensual mistakes. Even
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: if it's consensual workplace romances and things like that, there's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: just no place in baseball for that. And uh, you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I got suspended for it. I've been eligible for two
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and a half or more years now to come back
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and and coach if i'd like, And that's my ultimate goal.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'd love to get back in the big leagues. I've
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: learned from my mistakes. It'll never happen again. And you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I think that it's unfortunate that the way everything was portrayed.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really get a chance to tell
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: my side of the story. This is actually the first
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: time I've ever addressed it with anybody. I thought if
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I addressed it at the time, it just wouldn't be productive,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you know, for my kid's sake. I have teenage girls,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and I just didn't really want to bring any more
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: attention to it than was necessary. And I and I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: really felt like, no matter what I said, with the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: things that were portrayed in the wrong way, that I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get a fair shake at that time. And you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I think now's the time to come out and talk
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: about it just a little bit like we are and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: tell everybody how remorseful I was. I apologized at the time.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: You know, having workplace romances, there's just no place for it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: It leads to bad things, and that's what happened. So
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I paid a price for it. I've done my time,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm ready to get back into the game of baseball.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: If people will have me.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Right now, I'm going to ask you a question, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put it in a manner for which
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: some of the things that I came across my aggression
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: was the fact that were there any photos exchange in
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: some of those consential emails at all that you want
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to talk about. We're not asking going to any details
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: at all, but you know, sometimes when people get in
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: more visual things, it becomes a little bit more difficult
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: for other individuals to comprehend the nature of the allegations.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So so that that was not portrayed in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: an accurate light either. There's there's a lot of nuance
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to that on both sides. And uh, you know, I
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: think that uh, you know, I'll just leave it at that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: That is something that was two consenting adults sharing things.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And like I said, you just there, there's just no
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: place uh in in in baseball or or most you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: businesses for workplace romances because it can lead to bad
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: to bad outcomes.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, if that's a fair answer, I'm
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: just trying to make sure that when people go out
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: there and watch this, they say, all right, well he
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: addressed a photo situation and you give a basic idea,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and that's as far as going to go. I want
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to make sure that when people watch the state there,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: they're going to realize by your body language and the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: sold your voice and Okay, you know, the truth of
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the matter is, I say this all the time, you
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: weren't charging any crimes at all. Right, right, yeah, there
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: was jail time either, So never, right, I.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Mean, there was there was never a report to anybody
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: about sexual harass any Actually even in the article there
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: was no mention of sexual harassment. It was more the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: other outlets picking up the story and then saying it
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: was sexual harassment allegation. So you know, all that's unfortunate,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: but you know, there was obviously never any official report
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: about me doing anything inappropriate, and and no nobody had
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: ever you know, told me they were uncomfortable. If I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: had ever thought I was making anybody uncomfortable, I would
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: have stopped. I just wasn't, you know, doing the right
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: thing when I should have, and it led to some
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: consequences that I faced, And I'm very very apologetic and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: sorry for those things. And you know, I know those
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: things will never happen again if I get another chance.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Well that's fine. That's all. I'm looking to try to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: make sure they're the only about the society. Which is
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: so common is a lot of times people are quick
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: to rush into judgment. For example, the Trevor Bauer situation,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: which we'll talk about it later date. When you're on
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: a finger grew we're just addressing it privately right now.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: The guys that essentially blackballs are playing baseball, and a
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: lot of the allegations were dumbfounded as what they were
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: because they didn't prove to be true. I'm not going
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to go on this specific on that, and I felt
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that he deserves a second chance to play ball, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that's what my position is on it. And we'll let
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you just mention whether you feel the same way whether
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: he should get another chance or not.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's always tough, you know. The only
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: thing I know specific circumstances are on what happened to me.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not I don't know the total background. You know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you're just not going to get the truth online. You're
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: not going to get the truth about things in the media.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: So it's really hard for me to comment on whether
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: he should be back in the game because I don't
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: know the ins and outs of his situation.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna sit here and say what I have to
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: say is going to manage it and getting in the game,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And every owner has a reason why or not going
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to bring him in. But let's go to that. A
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: situation with the Duke Lacrosse, the situation too. Everybody Russia
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: judgment on that one, and that turned out to be
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a situation which was completely unfortunate. I'm not going to
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: get away from those situations because it's easy for everybody
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: to talk about the court of public opinion. But I've
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: always said innocent until proven guilty, and sometimes in the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: court of public guilty and stil proven innocence doesn't kind
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: of work that way, at least unless I failed my
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: American history courses in government classes, I have no idea.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Right well, as I continue on just a little bit more,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: what steps therapies have you taken that have allowed you
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: to learn to become a better person? And if you
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: have any interaction with a lot of females now that way,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: they're sympathetic about what you went through. Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know, I had a lot of people reach
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: out to me, and they the people that really know me,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: know that that those articles weren't very accurate. So, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I've been a huge proponent along the way of women
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: in baseball, and I've defended them and and that you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I think my admiration for them being in baseball probably
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: led to some of the issues that I had because
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I had respect for those people, built relationships, friendly relationships
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: with them, and it tended to at times to go
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit further. And I made mistakes. But you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I think that, uh, women in baseball is an amazing thing.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: They have a lot to offer. You know, our our
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: mental skills coordinator in Cleveland, she had just about as
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: big of an impact on our pitching staff and our
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: team as anybody. And she was a joy to work with.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know I was.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I was a huge proponent of hers and had her
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: back at all times, and and I just think it's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a great it's a great thing for baseball.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Well we all know down here in Miami came in
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: was a big part of the Miami Marlin's manager and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: she's doing incredible things now with the woman thought all,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: which we'll get into on another date on the other
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: shows under Native Baseball. So there, women are starting to
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: make some noise in this game for sure. And the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: fact that you're able to address it in a very
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: open way like we're asking you to do the night
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: to make sure that people realize this guy made a mistake.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I've seen people make bigger mistakes like you, I'll say,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Michael Vick you know, I hate to bring him up.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Tony Dundee took it upon himself, he and Michael. You know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I don't mind helping the alcoho. Let's just get it
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: figured out. And dead people do deserve second chances.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, right, absolutely, I mean we're all human. You know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: some of us have to have our humanness displayed in
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the public court like I did, and that's not not
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the funnest thing. But we all make mistakes, and you're right,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I believe everybody deserves a second chance and you know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: deserves some grace, and especially if they've shown that they
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: can change.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Did you have to take any therapy as part of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the things to do anything and in all in terms
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of going to classes or any converts to address your
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: situation at all?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So so I proactively did all that on my own.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: So when I talked to Rob Manford again that he
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: would he would reinstate me. So I took a bunch
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of online courses that pertain to you know, workplace appropriateness,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I feel like I learned a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: lot in those courses. I mean I took hours and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: hours of those things. So so Rob would know that
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I've done my due diligence and that I wanted to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: change and that I learned a lesson, because I learned
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a huge lesson, you know, and I think that people
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: need to understand that it's easy to fall into something
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: like that, like you, like we talked about everybody's a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: human being, and uh, you know, workplace romances just don't
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: turn out very well. I understand that they lead to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: about forty five percent of marriages as well, So you know,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: it's just a tough thing to balance in that because
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: if somebody becomes better, then the worst can happen.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Well, well, I mean, at least the commissioner, I'll see
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: that you're trying to be a self starter, taking upon
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: yourself to make amends to the situation. So hopefully as
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you get out and you speak about this more freely,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: people will see you behind the camera and the sincerity
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and the toning your voice, and okay, stuff happens, kind
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: of move on. It's twenty thirty five, or at least
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: another six more months.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Anyway, right, Yeah, I mean, I mean, I learned a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: huge lesson, Scott, and I needed to change that behavior.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: And the only way to change your behavior is to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: learn how to do that and to be proactive doing it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And then that's what I did.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Well. I think it's a good time for station break.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Candy? At least it's gonna over
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: some things with the station will come back. We're gonna
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: talk some more paintball with Mickey Callaway, my new baseball
• 29:58
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• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So can you take it away? Give me about thirty
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: forty seconds or whatever, and Mickey and I are gonna
• 30:05
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• 30:07
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• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Back to you, Scott, can't we talked about Terry frank Tony.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I mentioned him a little bit earlier. What was it
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: like working for him? And if we talked to him
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: in recent years at all, because I know he had
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: a little he had a lot of faith in the
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: one or what they want.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I keep in touch with Terry, you know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: just a couple of times a year, just to check
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: in see how his health is doing, et CETERA amazing,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: amazing manager, like not just x's and o's, but the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: way he deals with his players, the way he deals
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: with his coaches. He's very, very very in tune with
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: what everybody needs on a daily basis to stay motivated,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to keep everything going in the right direction as a team.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And I learned a ton around him. He is a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: terrific motivator And and you know, I can't, I can't
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: give high enough praise with for him as a manager,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Has he ever reached out to you while you're going
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: through this dilemma.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what, we talked a little bit
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he's he's he's a guy that
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: is always concerned about the people that he's close with,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and you know, obviously he we we chatted to just
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: check on things and see how things were going, because
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: he cares about his players and his coaches, and he
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: always showed that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Good because the next time you talk to him, I'm
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: giving you a homework assignment to tell him I've been
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: trying to get him to set my connection request on Hey,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I'm working with a guy now in the southern floor area.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Such a connection request. You've looked at his profile, you
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: know it's okay to accept the connection requests. Okay, he's
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: legitimate and I'm gonna be working with him. It wouldn't
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: be a bad idea.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, but you got to let me be on that
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: when I want to. I want to reil him a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: little bit as part of the media.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And then I'll tell you what. Here's what you're gonna do.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Then I'll give you. I'll give you. I'm the one
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: giving you homework. As Simon. You get him out here
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: and I have I own this platform. Just remember that, Okay,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Three of us will do a show together and then
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: we'll go out there and you could grill him out.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I'll teach you every trick you need to know in
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the media, the coachable fair enough, We'll make the time
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: for that. You know nothing, I own it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I'm we'll try and make that work for sure.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I sought what do you what are you doing right now?
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you remember the name Ed Easily.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: He was a catcher minor league catcher, played in the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: big leagues a little bit with the Saint Louis Cardinals,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and uh, he established some roots here in Memphis when
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: he was playing in Triple A, and he started the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Easily Baseball Club. And I think he's got a I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: don't even know how many teams. He's got, probably seventy
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: teams or something like that, anywhere between eight from eight
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: years old to seventeen and under. And I am kind
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: of his roving instructor. I go around to mostly his
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: older teams fifteen sixteen, seventeen year olds and kind of
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: make an appearance and help players out and help coaches
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and just kind of and they air to answer questions
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and just be a guy that can drop some baseball
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: knowledge if somebody needs it, and maybe give some pointers
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: here and there. And I'm also doing some pitching lessons
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: here in the Memphis area and Oxford, Mississippi area, and
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm really really enjoying giving back to the young kids
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and just being part of the great baseball community here.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: The little League baseball in this area has always thrived.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: It was when I was a younger, young kid, and uh,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: just an exceptional place to grow up and play baseball. Obviously,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: We've had a ton of great players come through and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: make it to the big leagues and that continues on
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to this day. And it's just great to be part
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: of an organization. Ed Easily is a top notch individual
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and he runs a first class organization and I'm just
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: thrilled to be part of it at this point.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: You should have that Easily come on one of our
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: shows on Monday night.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think that would be great
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: for people to hear the background of running a you know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: youth development program, because that's what it is. Right We're
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: developing players and trying to get them into college and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: to strive at the college level so maybe they can
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: go on and play pro ball.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Well after you get your peat what one hundred and
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: eight such as baseball soft We're going to bring on
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Ed easily as a special guest, and then we'll perfect
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: conk to our guests. So that's something. Do it in
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: a few weeks or so. I want to get a
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: few more trips under my belt first before I can
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: figure out where my own bet is. I don't really
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: got it anyway, we'll talk about that. So all right,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about this before. So what
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: do you want to do long term? I do you
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: want to go back into coaching? I go right now,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: managing the seats will be a little bit of stretch.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: But or am I going to be good enough to
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: mentor you and the broadcasting? I have to figure that
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: one out.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean ultimately, you know, I've always set my
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: goals high. I think that's why I was able to succeed.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: You know, if you don't have great goals, then you're
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: not going to you know, make it to the highest levels.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I would love to manage a major league baseball team again.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: And now you know what I'll do. I'll do whatever
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: it takes stuff to do that. I'll work in the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: minor leagues. I'll be a pitching coach. I love being
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: a pitching coach, so I'll do whatever it takes to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: get back to that level. I would not mind coaching
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: in college at all. You know, I've done that a
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: little bit. I did that one year in two thousand
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and eight during my Tommy John surgery hiatus that I
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: was taken from pro baseball. And uh, I just want
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to teach the game, you know, And I'll be happy
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: teaching it to fifteen year olds or thirty five year olds.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: This is the best game on the planet, and I
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: love it and I have the best passion for it,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and I feel like I really helped players be better.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you're fifty years old, My god, I've still got
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: plenty of times. Yeah, I lot of baseball in So.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: We talked about earlier today about Pete Rose. Are you
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: disappointed that he finally got in the Hall of Fame
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: even though he had passed away, although it was probably
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the worst speaker.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Of the Yeah, you know, you know, just for his
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: own mental sake, you know, it would have been nice
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: for him to know he was going in. But I'm
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: sure that that he's up there, you know, looking down
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and enjoying his name going to that's going to be
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. So I am excited he's in.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: You know, he's a human being. He made some mistakes
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and and you know, I think he deserves to be
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame because he was one of
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the best hitters ever, if not the best, And that's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: what this Hall of Fame, this Baseball Hall of Fame
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: is all about.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, I heard Michael Kay today. I like to watch
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: some of his stuff on Instagram. I'm going to since
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: you managing the Big Apple, this is probably a really
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: easy question for you to answer. I think personally, Aaron
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Boone gets too much unjust criticism. I think you're doing
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: act of a job in New York and Michael Ka
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: defended him to the How on earth did you get
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: rid of the guy? I can you're a few games
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: away for winning the World Series. You think that New
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: York fan Little League Yankees, that World Series are bunty.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: They get over that once and for all. I mean,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: let's take the reality. You have higher tiers of playoffs
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: more than you did years ago.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Right, No, I you know what, I think that's just
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the nature of the beast in New York. And I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: think you know, being on that side of it, it
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it motivates you. It makes you be better and better.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: You know you're not gonna take that job. Lackadeisically because
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: there are consequences for losing, and I think it makes
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you become more competitive. Aaron Boone is obviously doing a
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: great job there. It's not an easy position to be in.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: He's obviously thriving in it. He's very calm. I love
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the way he handles the media. He's doing a great job.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: And obviously, I think his relationship with the Yankees front
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: offices is obviously solid because he does the right things.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And you know, there might come a time where the
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: fans get so riled up that they put some pressure
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: on the front office to make a move. That's just
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the nature of the beast. And you know, if that happens,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll go on to manage somewhere else and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: have you know, just as much success. But you know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I think he deserves to be there and and and
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: continues to do a great job.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I think does great job too. I wish I like
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Michael ka. I know Michael Kay well enough to know
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that he he could be a homer as a broadcaster
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: all day long, Mickey, you really can. And but he
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: comes across as the most objective homer that I've ever
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: seen a pay does.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I haven't listened to him too.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Much, you know, but uh yeah, that's he does his
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: preparation work. He knows every bit about the other side
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: of the opponent of the other. He's very fair. Yeah,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: that's all I like it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: That's the way it should be.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: So today, another mental detroiter got twenty two million dollars
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: gift to leave the New York named d J La Maybew,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: and he made it for assignment. When your thoughts about
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: what happened with d J Lin Mayhew realized that he
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: couldn't play third bases arm couldn't have this arm FREng jazzism.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That's his natural position. Of course, tiders of the benefici
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: and clabor torre moving over there. Well, let's talk about
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: d j al Maydew getting up there in age get
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: me as it made it for assignment. Of course, twenty
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: two million dollars to leaders at the worst party gift I've.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Ever Yeah, well, you know, I think that people get
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: paid on what they have done and not what they're
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: going to do. I think that's the history of the game.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I think everybody starts to struggle towards the end of
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: these long term contracts. And you've seen it, you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: with everybody, you know, Hall of famers, it's happened to them,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and you know, I think that there's something to be
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: said about organizations that go ahead and you know, just
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: we're going to take the best players and we're going
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to play them. And I think it's their duty to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the fans, and I think it's their duty to the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: rest of the team to take whatever steps are necessary.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: And if you have to designate somebody for assignment, you
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: have to do it, even if they're making a lot
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: of money. You know. The good part about baseball is
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the Union is so strong that they've set it up
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: where DJ lemayhew is going to get his pay that
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: they agreed on. And you know, if that's the best
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: baseball decision, the Yankees have to make it, and so
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: does every other team. You can't sit there and not
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: play the best players. This is the big league level.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: The fans deserve the best players on the field. And
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: if you're if any team has taken any other proch
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: in that, then they're they're doing the fans wrong.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, the Toronto Blue Jays have been on
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: their best streak in twenty and fifteen. Today they lost,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: but they have a ten game winning streak that it's
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: not playing life sticks. We're gonna talks about the Toronto
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Blue Jays are doing in the division, which has always
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: been arguably the most difficult position. The vision out there.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: They lost the White Shocks to have won. Their ten
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: games winning streak is over. But the fact of the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: matter is they're making some noise up there. And I
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: saw a game last year over at Rogers Center. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: think is what they call a guy don't whatever and
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: say one thing. I always pull for Toronto, I really do.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I think that it's good that when Toronto wins, it's
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: good for North America.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when when I think of the Toronto
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Blue Jays, I think of you know, I look back
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: over I don't know about the last five or six seasons,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit longer. They had a plan and
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: they're sticking to that plan, right, They're sticking with the manager.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: They knew there would be some bumps and you know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: maybe some down years. And and if you do that
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and you build a culture the right way and stick
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: to your plan. Then eventually you're going to start winning.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: You know. I think that that some teams take the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: approach of we're going to rotate through managers and players,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and the problem is, you got you have to build
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: this team camaraderie to really really strive and to be
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the championship team you want to be. And and that
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: goes for consistency and coaching staff consistency, and the players
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that are there. You got to have a young core
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: which they they developed and brought up, you know, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: then you're going to start winning games. You know, I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: felt we were on our way with the Mets to
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: do that. You know, they I think before I got there,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: they won seventy games. We won seventy seven. My first year,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: we won eighty six. My second year. We had the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: young core of McNeil, Alonso and all those guys. We
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: had some decent pitchers obviously one of the best pictures
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: on the planet, and Jacob de Grom and Zach Wheeler
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: was in there, so you know, we were kind of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: striving that way, and then unfortunately Sandy had some issues,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: had to step away, and then all everything kind of changed.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: But I thought we were well on our way to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: really developing something special. I could feel the excitement in
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the clubhouse, the comack camaraderie on the team, and then
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you know, it kind of got broken up a little bit.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: But they went a different, different way and now they're
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: they're thriving too. So there's there's more than one way
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to skin a cat. But I think the Toronto Blue
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Jays have really stuck with their plan, didn't panic when
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: things weren't going great, And that's a testament to the
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: people running their franchise and the owner being patient and
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: trusting the people that he entrusts to run the baseball operations.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why they're having the success that
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: they are now.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it did hurt that they signed black Peril Junior,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: either it made it come into the fan base, let
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: alone the organization orally signing this guy, and he's willing
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: to stay there. I think his fact is even bigger
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: one that he has a chance to get the number
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: one Cahuna into Canada, let alone what he does in
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: the United States North America. Well, you're even you know
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: this well, being a manager that if you're willing to
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: spend on your key players and make them building blocks.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: That changes the attitude of the culture of the whole
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: entire organization, doesn't it?
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely? It shows It shows first and foremost loyalty. Right
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: You you take a guy, a young guy like Pete
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Alonso before they become a free agent or vlad and
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you give them some money that they deserve, you know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: more money than they would get just not you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: just kind of in arbitration or whatever. And that shows
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: loyalty to the players. The players thrive off of that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: They think they can be next. So you get a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: better caliber of player that's going to work really hard
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to achieve something because they know that the Toronto Blue
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Jays or whomever they play for has their back and
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: is going to take care of them.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: So that goes a long way in the clubhouse. When
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: when when teams do that? So you mentioned Sandy Alderson,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to go into this tad. Okay, he
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: brought you there, hired you as a manager of the match.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: You say when he left? Can you clarify when he left?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Obviously you probably saw the running in the wall that
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: maybe you're not going to say there well much longer?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Is that true? Or how would you want to right.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So that was an interesting time, right, he signed me
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: to come there, I was there for he was there
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: with me for one year and then stepped stepped away,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: right he was having whatever health issues. He stepped away
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: from being the and then we signed Brody van wagon In,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: who was a player's agent at the time. He came
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: in and I tell you what, Brody, Brody did a
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: really good job in my opinion. You know, he was
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: very thorough. He gave me, you know, a shot to
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: continue to manage for a year. And then you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: after we won eighty six games, I thought we had
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a pretty good season. You know, I was very proud
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of how hard the players played and the development that
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the young players were making. And unfortunately, after the season
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: they let me go and and we're gonna hire Carlos
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Beltrand and then I don't know what happened with all that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: A bunch of crazy stuff with the cheating and all that.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: So they ended up with Luis Rojas, who's a tremendous
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: baseball guy and was on my staff at the time.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: But you know, I would love to have a third year,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: fourth year to really see where that could have gone.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: But he just wasn't in the plans for them, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: you know I can respect that well.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, when people look at your managerial record, they're
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: going to realize that you were over the five hundred marks.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I mean I think I think
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: when I when I came there, the Mets that only
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: had two or three winning seasons in the last twelve years,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and so I was proud of us putting, you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: up some winning numbers when I was in my tenure there.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I've always had a plaster They always want to leave
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a situation better than it was when you inherited it,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: and that I believe that with your record being what
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: it was much less second year, that you did exactly that. Yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: you fell short of getting that third year, but we'll
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: never know. Time to move on. That looks bad. So
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you could say that much they had an over five
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: hundred record in a media market is just no matter
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: of whether or not the right opportunity comes and whether
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: or not the organization is gonna say all right, enough
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: time heals all wounds. Hopefully this would be one of that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. I learned a long time ago. You
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: can only control the controllables and the things that are
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: out of your control. You move on, You understand decisions,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: and you move on and make the best of the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: next opportunity.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly, And that's all right now, You're the next opportunity
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: is behind the microphone and me. That's right. And answering
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: questions that I think that I know you can easily handle.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: You know, so you like working with kids, how are
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: things related in terms of are you enjoying the downtime
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: to spend more time with your family a little bit
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: so that you're able to step back look back at
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: your career. You still have a lot of years left
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to go, and it's just kind of feel like they're
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: in the right environment. You say, you're doing the show
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: from your parents' place and you have your place down
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: in Mississippi.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I am loving and I've had, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: obviously quite a few years now to really hone in on.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: You know, baseball is a time consuming thing. I don't
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: people I don't think people truly realize you're at your
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: at the field from eleven am to eleven twelve pm
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: at night. So it is a time consuming thing. You know.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I missed a lot of my kids growing up, which
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: is unfortunate, but you know, our job as men is
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to go out there and provide for our families, and
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I did it and the best way I thought I
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: possibly could. And you know, it's been nice to be
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: kind of home a little bit the last few years
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: and really get to see my parents more and my
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: brother and sister more in their family. I have a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: really close family that's amazing people, and we're all very close,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: So it's been really good in that aspect. And then
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: working with the kids has been just a godsend to me.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: It's so refreshing to be able to get with these
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: young kids. You know, I taught a couple lessons before
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: this podcast, and just being around, you know, kids from
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: ten to seventeen who love the game and want to
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: get better has been just good for my soul. And
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying it all.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Right, In light of what you've had to deal with,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: do you feel that you have to me a better
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: relationship of the other gender now more so that you've
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: had to experience what you've gone through, and the things
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: only figure to get easier going forward, whether you continue
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: to date, whatever. I'm not asking personal questions, but you
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: have a much better understanding and respectful nature of the
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: gender in light of the adversity you've had to deal with.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely hate to look. The relationships are difficult, right,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Marriages are difficult. Any relationship with with anybody is going
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: to be is going to be difficult. But I think
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the main point, and I think what needs to be
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: expressed is I understand way more than I did back
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: when I when I made some mistakes, you know, and
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: some of those mistakes were ten years ago, and times
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: have changed, things have changed, and I respect women in baseball,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: women in careers, and there's just there's just no there's
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: just nothing good that can come out of workplace flirtation
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: and romances, you know, even if it's consensual obviously unless
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you get married. Right. I know a lot of people
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that got married. I know a lot of baseball players
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: that have married reporters and coaches that have married reporters,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: et cetera. But it's just not worth the risk. And
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I learned a big lesson, and I learned, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: in researching everything, that there can be added pressure to
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: these women and they can feel uncomfortable if you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: people are asking them out or whatever. So you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just something that's just not wise. And
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I learned a lesson the very hard way, and you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I'm contrite and apologetic about it, and I definitely want
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: move on and show people that that that would not
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: be the case in the future.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Well, my goal is to make sure that this show
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: here is exactly what we what you set it out
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: to be, that people will see you on camera, the
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: nature of the responses of how we've talked about this
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: souation situation. We haven't dodged anything. We're just trying to
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: make sure that, as Paul Harvey would say, in our industry,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: you get the rest of the story and then you
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: have the chance to get making Callaway's story out there
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: in an objective, straightforward way so that people can understand
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: the sincerity and their nature, how the message is conveyed.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: You know, there's an old lesson media is called the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: media is a message and that was out by Marshall
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Clause and that's actually in my book, by the way, too,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: may can the media miss a message? Now it's just
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: not the SEC anymore. Happens to be podcasting, internet radio,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: whatever the case mays be. And that's all we're trying
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: to do is make sure that the technology is being
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: as advanced that as it is, that you'll be able
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: to do that. And I think we've had a really
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: pretty good chat woman I JD Wye says Mickey looks
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: incredibly young to be a former manager for the I
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: like that point, JD. Very nicely man, And yes, that's
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: a compliment. Jad Wyfe's good young. He's one of our
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: good commentators on the network. You'll have a chance one time,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: so I look forward to it. JD.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the compliment.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. I mean, JD since her to the end,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Meeter knew his teammate. This guy is really good and
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Mickey and I go back. The one thing Jad he's
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: got a copy of my book. People have to understand
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: and you and I don't too. Will Mickey is relationships.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: That's why you're on here with me because you treated
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: me great. And I'll shoes on the other foot.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what, Scott, I appreciate the approach
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: that you're taking with this, and uh, you know I
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I try to be as kind and as personable as
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I can to everybody. I tried that with the media
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: throughout my career, and I appreciate how hard the media's
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: job is on a daily basis to come up with
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: stories that cannot be easy. So you know, I tried
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: to answer every question the best I could throughout my tenure.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And it's a lot of questions. Right when you're a manager.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: You're doing it four hundred times a year probably, and
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed all of it.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: We'll hear the face of the franchise. You have to
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: do the best you can represent yourself in the best
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: way possible as well as the organization. And you have
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: a you know, want to come on for another station break,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: and just so you know, the sports exchanges after the
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• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Mickey Calloy is going to be a regular baseball analyst
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: on Monday nights at eight thirty pm Eastern Time on
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: one hundred and eighth sich A Baseball Talk. I get
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: them first here on the Motor City mad Moshow, and
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Micky's doing a heck of a job and I'm probably
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: have them as my new tax team partner teammates. Go ahead,
• 55:56
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• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Can you please for J. D. Wyatt's mostly to comment
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: up early?
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Like it?
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Mickey. In the Southern Gentlemen, we get along great.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: My mind was be blessed, not stressed, and just be
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: kind to one another doing it. Relationships are certainly crucial
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: and a dirty seed word of mine. Communication plays a
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: day role in relationships, let alone the fact that I
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: majored in communication. That your support back. So there you go.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: It's it's all about ja. D Wyatt is one of
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: the guy that we've had for a while in our system.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: He's developing very nicely. He's on Thursday Night with Kande
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: who just read that station break, and you'll have a
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: chance that he'll come on once in a while on
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: a Monday night. But that's our w you and I
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm I think down of the road my plans
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: with Mickey Callaway and not only is he to be
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: a regular on Monday Night, but we're going to plan
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: at some point down the road, as he's ben for
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: and were established at the company, that we're going to
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: do a show of our own. And we're devulged at
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: information later as time progressive. So I'm just so glad
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: to be reinnite with this guy. Yeah, he's like the
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: brother of the man. You know, I've ever asked any manager.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to you know, I had an opportunity
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: many years ago when I talked to Larry Bird, and
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: I've worked with Larry Bird and Don Shula, and you'll
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: find out when you get a copy of the book.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: It's within the next few weeks or so whatever I
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: can get it out to you. But the thing is is,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: if you approach somebody with the right language, they're going
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: to be nice to you. You start to become a
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: jerk off the Bronx and you're not going to get
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: a whole lot out of them. And I want to
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: asked Larry Byrd after a press conference, Coach Byrd, can
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I ask you a question? I mean, I'm mentioned by
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: coach Bert. He said, I know you weren't one of
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the better athletes out there, but what made you one
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: of the best players in the game? Said Scott, And
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: he addrest me my first like like you always do right,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: And he said, I just outthought everybody thinks three steps
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I had not have to be done that that they
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: just don't thank people.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, yeah, there's definitely something to that, absolutely, And
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: sports strategy is very crucial.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Right exactly. So the whole idea that I'm telling people
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: is it's about being able to communicate in a way
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: that listen, we all have we all make mistakes. There
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: may be times where communications could be a little bit
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: better than others, but you have to live with the
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: situation and adjust as much as possible. Where we all
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: have our moments, to make sure we keep our moments lower.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: But you know, you were able to manage the number
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: one television market in the country.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Let me bring one other thing up before we before
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: we go to the sports exchange a little while. Let's
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: I want to bring up Ryan Brown. Okay, he dealt
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: with the steroid situation in New York, and I think
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: he was fortunate that he If he was, it's gonna
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: be dealt with it in Milwaukee. Excuse me, I just
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: want to backtrack for a long second. But it would
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: have been a much more difficult situation, Haiti, I had
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: a lot more media and New York dealing with it,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: and it got off easy in Milwaukee. Pr Wise, would
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: you agree with that assessment?
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely right. In New York, especially Boston, you know
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: places like that, everything is going to be amplified to
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: the nth degree, and you know, all of those type things,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: whether it's just you're playing poorly at the time or
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you're playing great. The good thing is is not only
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: will the negative things be, you know, amplified to the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: nth degree, so will doing great things. Right, That's the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: wonderful thing about being in New York is if you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: win a world Series, you're a legend for the rest
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: of your life in that time, so it you know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: you have to take the good with the bad and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: understand that, Hey, if you do a great job in
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: New York, you're also going to be revered for the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: rest of your life. So it kind of goes both ways.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Great points, Fernando Bargis, Thanks for the kind of word.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: It's a great show, Thanks very much. I just thought
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I was bringing that up because the shows about getting
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: second chances and having all the remorse and understanding search situations.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: But they are and I am Brown and me is
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Iconic and Milwaukee and you'll those numbers retired and like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Barry Bonds it they low in San Francisco to start
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: some of the difficulty. But those will the things that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: we bring up on future shows. I'm just trying to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: keep the thing that Mickey consistent was what the entire
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: show has been up out and I think you know
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: where I'm going with all of.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: This, right, absolutely, Yeah, two I mean, you know two
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: players that made a mistake but played the baseball the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: right way and had great careers. They made some mistakes, right,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: We're talking about humanity and mistakes, and we all do it,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: and you know they paid the price. They're paying the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: price they you know, they might not get in the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I'm not sure Ryan's a candidate, but
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Barry's gonna pay the ultimate price not getting his name
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: on that plaque in the Hall of Fame because he
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: made a mistake. But the fact is he put up
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: some unbelievable numbers and was one of the best hitters
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: in baseball ever.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, well, I mean you pay some yourself, you know,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: beyond in the National League. So since you brought up Bonds,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you this, and you're a pitching guy,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: how did you pitch Bonds as a manager, let alone
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: a pitching coach. You had to pitch Perry, certainly, I'm
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: glad you brought that up. See, this is when I'm
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: looking at develop out of you, mister Calla, with these
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: follow up questions.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: And now getting it.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, he shot it a little while so we were
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: doing this, but you're leading me someplace, mister, mister callaway
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: beautiful that we're taking our big Bertha and fiving and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: very boxing loot. How as a pitching those flash manager,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: did you end up pitching the Barry Bonds.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Let's let's do it this way. Let's talk about how
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: we approached him when I was with the Anaheim Angels
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: in the World Series. I'll take it two thousand and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: two good. So here's what Buddy Black and Mike Sosa suggested. Okay,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: do not pitch the Barry Bonds. You walk him, don't
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: give him anything to hit, and hope Benito Santiago hits
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: into a double play after. And then that was kind
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: of the approach we took with him pretty much the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: whole series. I think we pitched to him like legitimately.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: We had some situations where it was okay strategically to
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: pitch to him, and I think he hit four home
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: runs if I'm not mistaken. So we pitched to him
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: four times he hit four homers. The rest of the time,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: we really pitched around him. We walked him, made him
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: try to chase, and then Benito Santiago would come up,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: and usually, you know, we we were able to handle
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: him a little bit, and that's probably why we won
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the World Series because if we had to really pitch
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the Barry Bonds, he would have hit him way more
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: than four homers, but he hit those in situations where
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: it really didn't affect us. So, you know, I think
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: the real reaon I think Joe Madden didn't. Joe Madden
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: walk him with bases loaded.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you didn't.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you did, right so, and and I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: know Joe I think one game walked him four times intentionally.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: So the best way to pitch Barry Bonds is to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: not throw him anything close where he can get that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: back at barrel on the ball, because he was going
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: to do some damage. That was That's what was one
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of the most impressive things about Barry is nobody was
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: pitching to him and he's still hitting home runs at
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: an incredible rate. That that was pretty amazing to me.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what though, And I know you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: and I are going to get into this a lot
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: as time goes on. I still recognize Hank Aaron is
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: the all time home run king, not thirty Bonds. That's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: just my opinion, and I will because of the fact
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: that I think for the reasons that has stated. You know,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: he didn't Hank Aaron didn't need help, okay to get
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: to that number. And that's all I'm gonna say. But
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: I won't put an asterisk by Bonds's walks because he earned, Yes,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: he did. I don't remember a fact. I'll be even unswer.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I won't even put an answress next to hit my dad.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Either.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: He earned that one. So a great birth back with
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: mister Callaway. By the way, now, man, this is Nickey's story,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: but our story is gonna be continue on Monday night
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: on underneath. This is baseball talking. Every Monday night, Scott,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Nicky and the group are going to be talking baseball
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna be talking of other stuff. So any
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: closing thoughts about our first act together, mister Calai.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: No, I really enjoyed it. I really appreciate you giving
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: me this opportunity. I am excited to interact with with
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you and your staff and talk baseball and uh, you know,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: let's make it challenging. I want to answer some hard questions.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I'm miss doing that as a manager, and uh, I'm
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: really excited about what's going to happen in the future,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I think we can really deliver some great information to
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: the fans and give them kind of a you know,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a back view that that that a lot of people
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: don't get to hear, because you know, I've been in
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: those you know meetings and in the back of the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: clubhouse and dealt with things and and I think I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: can really paint a good picture to some of the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: fans on what it's really like behind the scenes. And
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to do that.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Number One, Nicky, I don't use the word think in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: my vocabulary. I just know you know perfect And I
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: got news for you. I'm gonna mentor you in this business.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: You're going to learn the word new really quickly. And
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: I don't mean you know, I mean k and now friend, Yeah,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: I definitely know, Scott, you got really okay that way
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: you have to get the noble words. Yeah, you got
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: to know what I was all about it And say, look,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: I haven't changed. All I've got is a little bit older,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: more prayer, a little heavier. I mean, I'm still there.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: I'm still man. H what's that?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: You still look the same to me? Man, you're looking good.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Oh you're the greatest. I'm telling you my bro Mickey
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Callaway and I are back. It wouldn't be better than ever.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: But tonight we're on the Oover City Madmoth Show Monday Night.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: He's one hundred and he sits his baseball talking about
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: as he wants to be on until he gets the manager.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: He doovulary, We're already making this off. Look at it.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: If he gets tired, he has to take me with him.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: So one record saying I'm going with you. You're You're
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: coming with me, Scott, that's it, all right, Well you
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: know what sporture change is next, but after this show.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: But I want to take Mickey Callaway for being on
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: this show tonight. He was very, very sincere about everything
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: that he said about everything that's transpired in his career,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: and I hope he gets an opportunity to return to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: the game that he enjoys in his capacity. But in
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: the meantime, I'm gonna be a little selfish and I'm
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: going to make sure he stays along with us for
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: a little while so he gets the right opportunity. So
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: it's meant for both of us to go out there.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: I'll be in the twilight of my career. This guy
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: will be back there, I'll be a publicist and still
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: doing all this other stuff in between front and around.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: So meanwhile this stuff concluded edition of Holders, City Man,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Mouse Shows, Sports to changes that Candy Ebiling and I
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: will be on there, George Ichorn, Jacob Christner and we'll
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: see well gir else decided to join the big show. Mickey,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: we have some more work to do on Monday. You'll
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: stand for a couple of minutes after we get done
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: here to make some plan for Monday night. But meanwhile,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: I want to thank everybody for tuning in to chat room.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate your participation in the room. We talked about everything.
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  Speaker 2: my dad's name is Mickey so figure to get your
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