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Debate Review | SmokeySaint Polemics Destroys Himself on ttor13 Show · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  standing, but I don't know. Yeah, so let's get to the news.
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  So not too long ago, Smokey St. came to me and he said, well,
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  he's been doing this for the last few weeks, actually
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  attacking TTO over TTOR over and over and over again.
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  And he also has said some pretty nasty, disgusting things to
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  myself. Now me, I let it just go right
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  through one ear out the other whenever it comes to Smokey.
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  Because Smokey has a history of turning on his friends,
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  attacking people who want to be his friend who tried to get
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  along with him. But it's as simple as not
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  agreeing with him on a theological view or simply
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  disagreeing with him about anything.
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  Or if he's just having a bad day, he will brutalize whoever
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  it is. And for him, it doesn't matter
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  how young you are, it doesn't matter if you're a woman,
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  doesn't matter if you're a guy. He just eventually, no matter
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  how close you think you have of a friendship with him, he will
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  turn on you and and burn you into the ground.
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  And that's why he does it. And he gets Glee from it.
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  There's something about power and control that really tickles
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  his his heart, I guess. Well, before I get in the
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  review, I want to tell you guys a little story.
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  A lot of people know this. Not everybody, but a reminder.
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  I met Josh a while back when Sister Sunshine used to be
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  frequent and she used to make videos.
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  He would come in there, me and her would be hanging out and
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  talking about topics, and she was helping improve my
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  understanding of the Bible. You see, it was just years ago
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  that I ended up becoming a a Christian.
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  I haven't always been a Christian.
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  I was a former atheist. So I was looking for Christian
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  community and people on the Internet that might be able to,
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  you know, strengthen my resolve on being able to understand
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  things that were confusing for me are difficult.
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  For many, many years, I had been an atheist, and I was really
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  good at the verses that are considered rough, you know, the
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  kind of verses that atheists use whenever they're attacking the
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  Bible or attacking the concept of God.
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  But I needed to rewire myself. I needed to be reprogrammed.
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  I needed to get myself to a point where I could actually
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  serve God properly. Some Christians will tell you
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  that I was already doing well, but I knew deep down in my heart
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  I needed a lot of work. I was work in progress, still
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  had a lot of flaws. I need to do something about the
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  chinks in my armor, and Sister Sunshine was one of those people
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  that was helpful to me. When Josh started coming in the
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  room and hanging out with Sister Sunshine and myself, I felt
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  right away. I sensed, wow, this guy is
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  extremely intelligent. He's well read in the Bible,
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  he's nice, he's kind, he's generous, and he was a real joy
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  for me and Sister Sunshine to talk to.
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  It was really, we actually found it very interesting when he
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  would visit. I remember he would have his
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  camera on, he'd be wearing a hat and some glasses and he would
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  tell us that he was getting ready to go into the gym.
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  I guess According to him he was wanting to work out or
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  something. If that was actually true and we
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  really dug him. In fact, I liked him so much
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  that I am the main reason why it is that he is even existing
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  today on YouTube and I'll explain why and if he's got any
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  integrity or honesty about him, he knows this to be true.
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  I told him that he had a great voice.
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  I told him that he was well read and I like the fact that he was
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  firm. When we had a couple non
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  believers come in the room and challenge sister and myself, he
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  was more than happy to take up the mantle and fight right
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  alongside us. And he was good at it.
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  He was really, really good at it.
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  I was proud of him. I was like this right here.
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  This guy is a potential warrior for Christ.
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  Well, what ends up happening is I tell him, man, you got a good
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  voice. I encourage him, I support him
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  and I tell him you should do like your own thing.
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  And he goes, I don't know you too.
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  He said YouTube's, you know, kind of stupid and everything
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  and ignorant. I don't know if I want to even
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  get into the cesspool and all this kind of stuff.
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  And I said, well, it would be nice to have some strong, firm
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  Christians who are strong in the word to, you know, defend the
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  faith, you know, fight the good fight.
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  So he ended up taking a smoky St. channel and he started doing
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  shows and a lot of people liked him.
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  He got popular really, really quick.
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  A lot of people gravitated towards him.
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  They were attracted to his way of doing things.
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  He was very calm and chill. Even the music that he would
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  play at the beginning had some bluesy refs and some kind of
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  soft ambient type of music that he would play during his
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  introduction. And then he'd come on with his
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  cloaked avatar and there was good discussions and I of course
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  would go over and hang out with him.
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  I was on a much larger YouTube channel at the time, and I would
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  constantly promote him and plug his channel like I do for
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  everybody out there that I respect or I care about.
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  If I think somebody's got good content, I will try to help them
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  out, especially if they're respectful to me.
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  Unfortunately, I don't know what went down.
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  I don't know what went wrong. Maybe it seemed like after the
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  event with him and Kenny Rhodes going to the courthouse and him
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  having to plead guilty for being a convicted pedophile, he
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  suddenly decided, for whatever reason, that everybody around
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  him was his enemy. Maybe the court case broke him.
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  Maybe almost doing 25 years in prison screwed with his brain so
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  hard he just started tripping. And he attacked.
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  Pray as I am. He attacked other Christians in
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  the room. He became an enemy of Ryan the
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  Presbyterian. It got to the point where his
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  buddy Kenny Rhodes was actually threatening Brian's wife.
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  Then Kenny Rhodes started threatening me because I had
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  held a view a long time ago of Maltheism.
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  You guys can look that up if you want to.
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  That's no longer my view anymore.
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  I'm purely and strictly Christian now, out on hold to
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  that philosophy. Not even a bit.
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  He attacked me and I would say probably over 40 other
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  Christians in all of his time in doing live shows.
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  He attacked them over theological views.
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  There's nothing wrong with criticizing someone if you
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  disagree with them. You can give constructive
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  criticism and you can say, look, can we talk brother or sister?
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  And even if you don't think that they're an actual Christian, but
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  they believe they are, and you would just simply invite them to
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  your room or talk to them behind the scenes and say, look, I
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  don't agree with you on this because of this, you know, like
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  normal adults do, but not him. He would make everything public.
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  Everything had to be an attack. Everything had to be a thrash.
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  And, and he ended up accumulating an abundant amount
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  of enemies, an overwhelming amount of Vietnamese.
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  He angered atheists, he angered Christians.
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  And every single day he would find another reason to go
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  offering somebody. And there he goes, adding to his
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  enemy list. Oh boy.
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  PTOR When I lost my channel, my big one that I used to visit,
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  Smoky Yarn. I ended up using Bit Shoot and
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  Gab and a couple other social media sites alternatives to
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  YouTube. I ended up meeting TTOR and Bit
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  Shoot and again I felt like I had met a person who was well
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  read, but there was a different aura about TTOR.
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  There wasn't. I didn't ever since or discern
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  that there was a dark side to. TPORTPOR never has lied to me.
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  He's never belittled me. He's never tried to demoralize
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  me. He's never tried to manipulate
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  me. Anytime he needed some help with
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  something, he was a good listener.
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  He took instruction well and he I just, it was, it was beautiful
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  to watch this young man grow into what he is today.
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  Extremely well read in the Bible.
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  Extremely well read. Obviously had some viewpoints
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  and philosophy and ideas that were different than my own.
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  But TTOR and myself were adults. We realize we're not going to
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  agree on everything. We're two unique people.
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  We're not going to think completely the same, but what we
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  did do was we knew that we were brothers and sometimes brothers
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  don't always agree on things. And that was fine.
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  And we became very close, became very, very close.
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  And I don't have any buyers from Morris.
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  TTR helped me out a lot. I learned a lot of things from
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  him and he has proven that not everybody in social media is
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  awful and terrible, that there are people that have good
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  hearts, who want to do the right thing, who who can calmly have a
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  discussion without losing their mind if you have a disagreement.
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  You know, I even asked him a couple times.
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  I said, TTOR, why don't you? How come you don't ever get on
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  to me for these things? And he goes, because Brad, I
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  know that you're smart. I know you're a good guy and I
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  know I don't have to beat, you know, beat you to death with the
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  Bible or whatever. He said.
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  I, I believe that you're with God and God will show you the
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  right way as you continue your walk.
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  And I appreciated that. I appreciated that he didn't,
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  like, look down on me and talk to me like I was a piece of
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  trash. He said you'll get it figured
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  out, Brett. You'll get it figured out.
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  So I found myself in a very strange dichotomy.
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  I got a guy who I used to absolutely admire and respect
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  who basically burned every one of my Christian friends,
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  including myself, a person that I cared about.
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  Now it was found out because of documents and people dropping
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  all kinds of information on the guy, showing that he was charged
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  and convicted, pled guilty to a pretty disgusting crime.
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  There was no way I was going to be able to work things out with
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  this guy. He was too far gone.
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  And believe it or not, even though he did the thing and I
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  pointed it out, of course I made a video about it.
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  And before he starts hating and saying some ignorant stuff, the
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  Bible tells us that we're supposed to expose evil.
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  If you're a Christian, you're supposed to absolutely loathe
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  the evil God does. God hates evil.
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  God hates workers of iniquity. God hates people who continue to
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  break his commandments and then try to find no repentance or
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  feel no remorse for what they do.
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  You see, ladies and gentlemen, the truth is we're all sinners.
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  We all make mistakes. But you can tell when somebody
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  saved. And here's how they have to
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  consciously feel bad about what they do.
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  If you sin and you fall into the flesh for a moment and you do
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  something wrong, you have to. If you're a true Christian,
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  you're going to care. You're going to feel like you've
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  done something wrong. You'll be the word is called
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  convicted. You'll feel as though what
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  you've done is wrong. And you'll try to find
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  forgiveness with God, obviously, but you'll also try to do unto
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  others as you want them unto yourself and smoke.
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  You never learned that part. He's well read and he, he knows
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  the words, but he's like a, it's like a, it's like the Pharisees.
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  They knew everything there was to know about the laws and the
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  commandments and the traditions, but they themselves were
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  hypocrites. They didn't, they didn't feel
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  any care about it whatsoever. If they did, then they would
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  have demonstrated it through their actions.
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  So what eventually happens, ladies and gentlemen, is what
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  happened tonight. Me and TTOR, we had no intention
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  and no plans to call Smokey out to any kind of debate or
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  discussion. TTOR knew that he was going to
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  be going on vacation soon and he was going to be hanging out and
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  doing cool fireworks shows with this church.
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  Me. Well, I've told a couple people
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  out there this that my health isn't no good.
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  So I tried to stay away from crazy shit.
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  I try to stay away from things that I think may cause me
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  anxiety and stress. I don't want to be put in a
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  ordeal where my stress levels go up, my adrenaline starts
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  pumping. I don't want to have a heart
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  attack, ladies and gentlemen, I got kids and a wife and I want
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  to stick around for a little bit.
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  You know, forgive me for not being in a rush to go to the
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  afterlife, but I still got things I want to do some goals I
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  want to fulfill, sow some more seeds before I go bye bye.
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  So Smokey comes to me knowing that he's tried to dismantle me,
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  tear me up, dismember me publicly in every kind of way
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  possible. And for some reason he thinks
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  it's a good idea to come to me and say, hey, Brett, your friend
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  is a coward, your friend is a weak piece of shit and all this
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  kind of stuff. I want you to arrange a debate
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  where he's got to prove his false accusations and all that.
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  And I said to him, my response was simple.
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  I didn't insult him. I said, I'll talk to TTOR and
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  I'll get back to you on his response.
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  So I went over to Facebook. I talked to TTOR, and TTOR said,
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  all right, so you're going to be the moderator because that's
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  what Smokey wanted. And I said, yeah, I'll moderate.
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  And I said, I got to, I don't want things getting too crazy.
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  And TTR said, well, you're in control of it.
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  You know, if you think anybody's going to be a problem, then you
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  deal with it. You know, the way you think
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  would be most healthy. And I did.
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  And I told TTR and TTR agreed with me on it.
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  I said, look, let the guy talk as long as he needs to.
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  Let him talk. Talk, talk, talk, talk.
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  Let him let people realize that we're trying to be as fair as
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  possible with this and let him say what he he needs to say.
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  Let him use whatever defense that he wants.
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  And we did. If you guys go over and watch
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  the show, you're going to see that he took almost 30 minutes
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  on a microphone. And most of it was some weird
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  defense that nobody bought. There was absolutely nobody in
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  the comments that bought his story and the nonsense and the
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  lies. Nobody.
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  In fact, there was a poll put up.
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  Do you believe that he's Josh? Do you believe he's a convicted
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  pedophile? And well, a majority of the
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  people said yes. And you know what's sad about it
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  is the only thing TTOR put up was information that the very
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  people that hangs out with him right now have put out there
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  themselves. The pictures, the images of the
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  audio files, all that stuff, everything.
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  All this evidence was gathered by Christians that he brutalized
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  in the past and did that too, as well as some atheist stuff, and
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  also from content from Sister Sunshine.
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  This was all information that was easily available and of
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  course we didn't bring this up but if people go over to the
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  raging atheist channel as well as ger mania GRRR mania and go
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  look they also talk about it too.
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  So non believers are fully aware of this issue as well as
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  Christians. The entire community really.
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  So me and TTR we sat back. We stayed quiet.
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  After TTR did his thing and Smokey talked.
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  He complained about how long things took.
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  He bitched about that. He instantly basically started
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  saying anybody that disagrees with them is a a piece of trash.
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  The narcissism came out as expected, but TTR and I realize
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  that because he's so narcissistic and so unaware of
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  himself and incapable of reflecting on his own flaws and
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  problems, we just decided let him talk.
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  He'll create the noose for himself.
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  And he did. The more and more he talked, the
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  more he destroyed himself, the more he attacked the victim, and
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  the more he spoke about how terrible the system was.
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  We realized that it had to have been him because he knows too
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  much intimate information about the case and the detectives and
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  the lawyers and all that stuff. He knew way too much and
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  everybody caught on to that within the very moment that he
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  brought it up. We didn't sit there and ask him
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  about a lot of the stuff that he's brought up.
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  He it was like he was digging his own grave and throwing dirt
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  in his own face. And then he makes another dumb
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  decision besides wanting to debate this topic in the 1st
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  place, which mean TTOR could care less.
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  Obviously we care about the victim and the charge and all
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  that, but that was a year ago whenever all that came out and
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  me and TTOR were like, you know, we're going to go on our way.
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  But Smokey made it a thing again.
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  He decided he wanted to come back, return with a vengeance,
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  and attack people all over again.
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  So he's the one that initiated the debate.
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  And then to make matters worse, I even told him, Are you sure
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  you want me to invite people into the room right now?
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  Are you sure you and TTOR don't have more you want to say?
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  And he goes, no, no, no, no. Bring people in, let them
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  question. I don't know what the hell he
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  was thinking, but I did, just as he requested.
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  Yet again I put the link out there and the link was already
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  pinned by TTOR and people came in and they basically told him
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  how disgusting and gross he is and what a liar he is and they
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  apparently caught things in his own defense that they didn't
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  agree with and they mowed over him like a lawn mower and he was
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  the grass. After it was all said and done,
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  Smokey just continued with personal attacks and had hums
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  and it wasn't working. So yeah, it was.
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  I could tell from the commenters that there were some people who
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  actually pitied him. They didn't forgive him that it
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  wasn't like they were justifying or making excuses for him, but
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  they just felt so bad. It's like even if you see
• 28:08
  someone that's been totally cruel and horrible, when you're
• 28:11
  a good person, you don't get off and seeing people hurt and he
• 28:16
  was destroying himself. It was absolute self
• 28:20
  annihilation. But at the same time, people
• 28:25
  realized that he was biblically reaping all that he sowed.
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  A lot of people actually felt refreshed from it.
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  They actually felt better because they had been brutalized
• 28:39
  so many times by him and muted in his rooms where he controlled
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  the narrative and he could shut down people anytime you want,
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  scream over them and yell at them.
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  And now they got to see him in the position that he put
• 28:53
  everybody else in all these years.
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  I was proud of TTOR, and I still am.
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  But there was a sadness, although there was on one side,
• 29:08
  ha ha, ha, you got what was coming to you.
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  There was a sadness in me because I had really wished that
• 29:16
  my original interaction with Smokey would have been, that
• 29:21
  would have been the true Josh, not the convicted PETA who yells
• 29:26
  at everybody. I hope that that person that I
• 29:29
  used to think was good was still there, but no, that that part of
• 29:36
  Josh's long gone or either that was a facade the whole time and
• 29:40
  I was just manipulated. With that being said, TTR did a
• 29:46
  great job. He did what he's supposed to do
• 29:51
  in a debate. He let the other person talk.
• 29:53
  He showed his evidence and it was that was that.
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  I think that everybody agrees Smokey lost really bad.
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  Smokey got smoked. I'm going to offer up a solution
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  because people don't have to walk away and go, well, that's
• 30:19
  too bad. But the only thing that could
• 30:22
  happen out of it was pure absolute destruction,
• 30:25
  evisceration. If he manages to get to the end
• 30:30
  of this video, right before I end my video to hear this part,
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  this is from the bottom of my heart.
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  This is sincere, Smokey. If you want to turn things
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  around, then you want to be able to fix some of the bridges that
• 30:44
  you have kicked holes into and stomped and and burned down
• 30:49
  foundations of friendships. You could start by being honest,
• 30:54
  Honest with yourself and honest with people out there.
• 30:58
  One day you're going to have to take accountability and
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  responsibility. You have to do this for yourself
• 31:05
  if you want to be able to walk with God.
• 31:07
  The Bible makes it very clear that liars have no place in
• 31:10
  heaven. Liars has specifically pointed
• 31:14
  out God hates hypocrites and liars.
• 31:18
  You need to pray about it. You need to talk to your woman
• 31:25
  and you need to just come right out and say this is who I am,
• 31:28
  This is what I did. I send.
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  I made a terrible mistake whenever I was going to college
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  and all this kind of stuff. And tell it like it is.
• 31:38
  Tell what you did. Don't try to justify it.
• 31:42
  Don't try to blame the system or the Me Too movement that didn't
• 31:45
  even exist during that time. The Me Too movement's actually a
• 31:50
  fairly new stupid pop culture thing that exists nowadays or in
• 31:56
  the last five years. It did not exist back whenever
• 31:59
  all that that crap was going on. So that was a stupid
• 32:02
  justification. Pray to God and then come out
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  and say what you're going to say.
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  We both know that some people aren't going to ever let you
• 32:13
  live it down, but there are some Christians out there that would
• 32:17
  love to forgive you and they would love to see you transform
• 32:21
  into something good. There's people out there who
• 32:25
  still believe in you. They think that with enough
• 32:28
  work, there could be some light that comes out of you.
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  This doesn't have to. This doesn't have to be the hill
• 32:38
  that you die on, but you have to put forth the effort.
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  You're not going to listen to me though.
• 32:45
  You're probably going to call me a fucking cockroach and tell me
• 32:48
  I deserve to be dead like you have in the past.
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  Accept responsibility. Ask for forgiveness from God and
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  from your peers. I guarantee it's going to be a
• 33:06
  lot better than every single day for the rest of your life.
• 33:11
  Because I know you love social media.
• 33:13
  I know you like the attention. I know that you like having
• 33:17
  people listen to you and hear what you consider your message.
• 33:22
  Stop being whatever it is that you are.
• 33:28
  You know, maybe it's wrong of me to even say that maybe the true
• 33:31
  Josh is the person as who is cruel and horrible and all that.
• 33:38
  Maybe the good person that I seen was not actually good, but
• 33:41
  a bad person the whole time. I just didn't know.
• 33:46
  I don't who knows? Good job TTOR people.
• 33:51
  The link is in my community post.
• 33:53
  I'll put it in the comments. You can go check out the the
• 33:57
  show folks. I don't I don't enjoy seeing
• 34:03
  people destroy themselves no matter what they believe in or
• 34:06
  don't believe in. I don't, you know, when I defeat
• 34:11
  people in debates or discussions myself or I do one of these
• 34:15
  videos where I roast people, I don't feel the same way.
• 34:19
  A lot of you do. It actually makes me sad that I
• 34:23
  can't connect with somebody and be friends with somebody.
• 34:26
  I'm here to socialize and connect.
• 34:29
  I'm not here to hurt people or cause suffering.
• 34:33
  Some of you get a kick off of that kind of crap, bullying and
• 34:37
  picking on people. I don't.
• 34:40
  I'm good at it if I wanted to. There is a there's definitely a
• 34:45
  dark side in all of us, but I prefer connections and
• 34:49
  friendship. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
• 34:52
  God bless. This video's gone on way too
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  long. Fading light.
• 35:04
  Could whisper in the rain. Every moment carries on my pain.
• 35:17
  I held your heart, You held my soul.
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  Now I'm sleeping where the shadows go through the nights I
• 35:26
  see your fakes.