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Ken Rosenthal: Cody Bellinger & Luis Arráez FA cases, Mets plan, Orioles pursuing Kyle Tucker? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: That's it The Inside Scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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  Speaker 1: we had you on to talk about the Orioles and
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  Speaker 1: Angels trade, and I know you address that as well
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  Speaker 1: on fair Territory. Layer two that we didn't get to
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  Speaker 1: until right now is how you think the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the offseason is going to shape out for Baltimore. Can
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  Speaker 1: you give us more context on what that might look
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  Speaker 1: like and do you really believe that they are going
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  Speaker 1: to be serious players for Kyle Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what I think they're going to do most heavily
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  Speaker 2: is focus on starting pitching and bullpen. They need to
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  Speaker 2: rebuild almost their entire bullpen. Remember they traded almost their
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  Speaker 2: entire bullpen at the deadline or before it. And they
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  Speaker 2: know if Bautista is not going to be healthy until
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  Speaker 2: later in the season, if then, they've already traded for
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  Speaker 2: Kittridge and exercised his options. So that's one piece, but
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  Speaker 2: they need others starting rotation, no secret either what they
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  Speaker 2: need there. They have Bratish and Trevor Rodgers at the top.
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  Speaker 2: That's good, but they want one more guy to fit
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  Speaker 2: into that upper half or upper three fifths of the rotation.
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  Speaker 2: A third starter to go with those guys and maybe
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  Speaker 2: one more, although they do have some depth now the
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  Speaker 2: Tucker thing. I reported yesterday that they have not ruled
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  Speaker 2: out Kyle Tucker. Even with the acquisition of Taylor Ward
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  Speaker 2: in the Rodriguez trade. Their outfield right now is pretty
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  Speaker 2: set in the corners, especially, they maybe will try to
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  Speaker 2: upgrade and center. Tucker, though, is an exception. And Tucker
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  Speaker 2: also is a guy that michae Elias drafted with the
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  Speaker 2: Houston Astros that great twenty fifteen draft where the Astros
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  Speaker 2: got Bregman second and Tucker fifth amazing. So executives often
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  Speaker 2: have an attachment to players they draft or develop, and
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  Speaker 2: that's probably what is driving this to a certain extent.
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  Speaker 2: We will see in the end if the Orioles are
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  Speaker 2: are the team that can get a starting pitcher, a
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  Speaker 2: big one, it's Fromberveldez type and a guy like Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: Based on their past history, you intend to doubt it.
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  Speaker 2: Based on the market forces, you intend to doubt it.
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  Speaker 2: Other teams are going to be in on Kyle Tucker
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  Speaker 2: fromberveld as all the other starters. But again, what I
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  Speaker 2: reported Scott was that they've not ruled themselves out of anything,
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  Speaker 2: at least at this point.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Ken, I have to tell you this Oriole
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  Speaker 3: fan base has been just eviscerating me. And I know
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  Speaker 3: they love you because you were there. No, they don't
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  Speaker 3: love me, they love you. You were there. You were
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  Speaker 3: one of their guys. So I've never seen anything bad
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  Speaker 3: said about you, Ken, So don't worry about it. But
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  Speaker 3: I got eviscerrated for what we were saying about Brayson Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 3: And it's really been like a lot of like more
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  Speaker 3: the decision making of the organization that do fans should
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  Speaker 3: fans think that what they've done, what Michaelias has done
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  Speaker 3: so far with this tank and now the supposed rebuild
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  Speaker 3: has been successful.
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  Speaker 2: It was successful in the sense that they made the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs back to back seasons in twenty three and twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: It has not been successful in taking that next step
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  Speaker 2: to being a World Series type contender, and they took
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  Speaker 2: a significant step backwards last season. And the criticism of
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  Speaker 2: Elias has been that as great a job as he
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  Speaker 2: did building up their system and bringing prospects to the majors,
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  Speaker 2: he has not been able to finish it. Finish off
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  Speaker 2: with the top of the roster. And we saw that
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  Speaker 2: last year, with the offseason that they had, when they
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  Speaker 2: only brought in Morton in Chicano, when they had just
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  Speaker 2: lost Corbin Burns, it wasn't enough. The rotation fell apart
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  Speaker 2: early on and until Rogers got going, until Bradish came back,
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  Speaker 2: it was a complete mess. So it is fair, certainly
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  Speaker 2: to look at michae Elias and say, okay, this is it.
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  Speaker 2: Now you have a team that should be better. We
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  Speaker 2: have a division in which the Toronto Blue Jays came
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  Speaker 2: off last place finished last year and went right to
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  Speaker 2: the top. So this is a huge off season for
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  Speaker 2: Elias and there's not much question about that. The Rodrigaz
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  Speaker 2: trade a couple of things. I mentioned it on my
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  Speaker 2: show and maybe on foul Territory a couple of days ago. One.
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  Speaker 2: To me, this is a calear vote of no confidence
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  Speaker 2: in Grayson Rodriguez. They do not believe he is going
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  Speaker 2: to be healthy enough, not just in twenty six, but
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  Speaker 2: in the three years beyond to continue investing in in
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  Speaker 2: terms of their franchise, thinking that he is going to
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  Speaker 2: be the guy. The other part of this was Taylor
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  Speaker 2: Ward is a right handed bat, a right handed hitting
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  Speaker 2: outfielder in a market that is starved for right handed
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  Speaker 2: hitting outfielders, so he was kind of a rare commodity.
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  Speaker 2: It took a high price to get him. Now, whether
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  Speaker 2: this works or not, we don't know right now. It's
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  Speaker 2: certainly fair to assume that Grayson rodad Riguez in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six will be on innings limits. The Angels have
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  Speaker 2: already said that. We know that he isn't pitched in
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  Speaker 2: a year and a half. Beyond that is the question.
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  Speaker 2: And he seems confident. We're going to have him on
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  Speaker 2: the show later today. He seems confident that he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be able to throw a lot of innings. But again,
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  Speaker 2: what the Orioles did in making this trade was show
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  Speaker 2: their lack of confidence that he will be able to
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go a little north to the New York Yankees.
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  Speaker 4: I love Yankee talk. Let's start with Cody Bellinger. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: the guy had a pretty good year of excuse me,
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  Speaker 4: he had a good year in my opinion, he did
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  Speaker 4: really well. And he talks to him coming back to
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  Speaker 4: New York right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, a lot of talk. Todd. Now, it's one thing
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  Speaker 2: to talk, it's another thing to get it done. And
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  Speaker 2: Bellinger and Bregman and some of these other free agents
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  Speaker 2: who are represented by Scott Boris. Generally speaking, Boris free
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  Speaker 2: agents do not sign quickly. Now, he's made exceptions a
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  Speaker 2: few times where he's had a lot of guys and
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  Speaker 2: he kind of went in a sequential or where he
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  Speaker 2: had some of them signed the Winter Meetings, some of
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  Speaker 2: them after that. The best example of that was the
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  Speaker 2: year Cole, Rendon and Strasbourg were free agents. They all
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  Speaker 2: signed at the Winter Meetings. So we saw Sodo last
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  Speaker 2: year signed fairly early was that the meetings. So it's
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  Speaker 2: possible one of these guys or multiple guys get done
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  Speaker 2: in that timeframe. The Yankees obviously want Bellinger back. They've
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  Speaker 2: been very public about that, and I would expect that
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  Speaker 2: they are leading contender for him. But Todd, you know
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  Speaker 2: how free agency works. It's impossible to predict who is
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  Speaker 2: going to go where because you don't know where the
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  Speaker 2: money is, where the money's coming from, and which teams
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  Speaker 2: have the most interest.
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  Speaker 4: We'll go to another guy, Devin Williams. We've talked about
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  Speaker 4: him before a lot of Yankee fans on edge a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of how he did, and you know, he
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  Speaker 4: struggled a little bit I felt like he could have
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  Speaker 4: had a better year. Is there a Yankee talk with
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  Speaker 4: him coming back? Maybe a little reunion or something sort.
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  Speaker 2: There has been, And I reported this with Willson and
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  Speaker 2: yesterday in The Athletic Todd that he is a guy
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  Speaker 2: that they have at least talked to. They never considered
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  Speaker 2: his year as bad as it looked at times. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: he had certain blow up games, certain struggles, but overall
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  Speaker 2: still a big swing and miss guy. Still did a
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  Speaker 2: lot of good things. And in a bullpen market that
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  Speaker 2: is pretty deep in closer types, he is going to
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  Speaker 2: be one of the more attractive ones. So yes, the Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: I've had contact with him, but still have a number
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  Speaker 2: of other teams, Mets, number of other teams. So I
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  Speaker 2: would expect him to be a guy who does fairly
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  Speaker 2: well in free agency. He won't be at Edwin Diaz's level, perhaps,
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  Speaker 2: but he still should command a decent multi year deal.
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  Speaker 3: All right, what other the Met's going to do? We
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  Speaker 3: go across town? How are the Mets going to You
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  Speaker 3: wrote that they're going to attack their rotation. They're going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about retooling their bullpen, just like every team.
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  Speaker 3: How are they going to do? It differently than the
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  Speaker 3: Mets and David Stern has ever done it is an
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  Speaker 3: entire career as a general manager.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the one thing David Stearns has not done as
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  Speaker 2: ahead of baseball operations is spend heavily in free agency
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  Speaker 2: on starting pitching. And it worked for him a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years ago when they got Mania and Severino on
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  Speaker 2: the one year deals and both were really good. It
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  Speaker 2: did not work last year when Mania was hurt. Frankie
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  Speaker 2: Montas now dfaid, this is a strategy that, like long
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  Speaker 2: term investments in starting pitching can be risky. So what
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  Speaker 2: do you do now? I would expect that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be active in trade talks for a starting pitcher,
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  Speaker 2: for those starters who might be available, and there is
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  Speaker 2: not a clear picture yet on which ones are actually
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  Speaker 2: going to move. The teams that have Trek Scoobel and
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  Speaker 2: Freddie Peralta and Joe Ryan even have said we're not
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  Speaker 2: all that interested in doing that. Some teams think they're posturing.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have to see as time goes by, so the
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  Speaker 2: Mets can do that. They also, though I would expect,
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  Speaker 2: are going to sign a big starter this offseason, and
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  Speaker 2: David Stearns is going to go out of his comfort
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  Speaker 2: zone to do that or out of what he has
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  Speaker 2: done in the past. They're going to be an interesting
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  Speaker 2: team to watch because obviously they have a ton of
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  Speaker 2: money invested in this team. They've got a huge free
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  Speaker 2: agent in Diaz, a huge free agent in Pete Alonso.
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  Speaker 2: And while both those guys are important, or at least
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  Speaker 2: what they do is important, if someone else can do
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  Speaker 2: it great. Starting pitching is why they collapsed last year.
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  Speaker 2: That was the downfall of the Mets. They've got to
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  Speaker 2: address it.
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  Speaker 3: Is there any indication that Steve Cohen is maybe fearful
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  Speaker 3: on both ends? He said, I trust David Stearns because
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  Speaker 3: he came in after we got Surezer and Verlander. Well,
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  Speaker 3: Sharzer and Verlander didn't work out. David Sterns up until
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  Speaker 3: May of last year, looked like, oh, Stevie Cohen's gonna
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  Speaker 3: trust and believe in these rentals besides Mantas. But is
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  Speaker 3: there fe I guess you would never say Steve Cohen
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  Speaker 3: is fearful, But is there any indication that he is
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  Speaker 3: more on the stern side or is this like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: it didn't work last year. We are definitely what you
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  Speaker 3: said going for somebody big.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good question, Eric, and I don't know the answer.
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  Speaker 2: And I would say that Steve Cohen most likely remains
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  Speaker 2: quite confident in David Sterns. He hired him, and you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Up until June of last year, they were rolling, They
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  Speaker 2: looked great, they had come. They had a great season
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  Speaker 2: in twenty four where they got to the NLCS. But
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  Speaker 2: when a team they were beaten out by the Cincinnati Reds,
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  Speaker 2: there is going to be I would expect some doubt
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  Speaker 2: in the mind of Steve Cohen, not just about David Sterns,
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  Speaker 2: but about Carlos Mendoza. So while I would not suggest
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  Speaker 2: that either is in trouble, the Mets did change a
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  Speaker 2: ton of coaches, which indicates their level of frustration. That's
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  Speaker 2: the first step, and then we'll see what happens this year.
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  Speaker 2: So I would say Cohen is still confident in Stern's
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  Speaker 2: and I would expect Mendoza as well. But again, some
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  Speaker 2: of that got punctured last year. I would imagine, simply
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  Speaker 2: by what happened, it's inevitable that people would think that way. Ken.
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  Speaker 1: Let me get a fan question or two in here.
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  Speaker 1: So MJ Sports Cards ask can we ask Ken about
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  Speaker 1: potential trades for kateel Marte. Do you think that's a
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  Speaker 1: real name that's going to surface this offseason? And I
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  Speaker 1: know that there is a factor in play with his
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  Speaker 1: ten five rights coming up this season, so it's now
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  Speaker 1: or never.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely a factor and it's definitely a real name.
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  Speaker 2: So katel Marte is one of the best second basemen
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  Speaker 2: in baseball. There's not much question about that. He's signed
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  Speaker 2: for several more years at a rate where if he
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  Speaker 2: is productive, it is still quite reasonable. So why would
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  Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks want to trade him? Well, the reason would
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  Speaker 2: be they have so many holes and maybe if they
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  Speaker 2: trade him they can fill those holes. Now, is it
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  Speaker 2: likely this is going to happen? I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: I would call it likely. Is it something that is
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  Speaker 2: being discussed at Absolutely, it is being discussed, and absolutely
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  Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks are in a funny position because remember they
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  Speaker 2: traded Meller Kelly, They lost Zach Gallant a free agency,
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  Speaker 2: not expected to get him back. Corbyn Burns is out
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  Speaker 2: for a good portion of the season, at least the
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  Speaker 2: first half. I would expect after Tommy John surgery. Two
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  Speaker 2: of their top relievers aj Puck, Justin Martinez also coming
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  Speaker 2: off Tommy John surgery. These guys are going to come back,
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  Speaker 2: and they're gonna come back in the second half. We
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  Speaker 2: don't know what their level of production will be. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: they're back even in the late in the first half,
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  Speaker 2: but we don't know what they're gonna do. And the
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  Speaker 2: Diamondbacks have these pitching needs and they want to maybe
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  Speaker 2: balance things out a little bit. So a trade of
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  Speaker 2: Marte is at least something that you would explore if
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  Speaker 2: you're the Diamondbacks. Does it happen? Do they get everything
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  Speaker 2: they want for him? That I'm not sure of.
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  Speaker 3: You wrote about the shortstop position for the Braves about
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  Speaker 3: how they got Mauricio Dubon and maybe it would be
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  Speaker 3: okay if they didn't maybe have as productive a shortstop,
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  Speaker 3: and you listed I think five teams Yankees, Mariners, Guardians, Brewers,
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  Speaker 3: and who is the fifth team, Tiger Tigers.
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  Speaker 2: The Tigers Tigers had also had the Blue Jays because
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  Speaker 2: they went to him in as in September and he
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  Speaker 2: was not a good offensive player during the regular season.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a brave But the Braves want to The
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  Speaker 3: Braves want to win the World Series. That is why
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  Speaker 3: they gave all these extensions. None of those teams won
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  Speaker 3: the World Series. Now, the Blue Jays, I would take
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  Speaker 3: them off the list because they had Boba Schett and
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  Speaker 3: he kind of carried them. Is it if they do
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  Speaker 3: not go and get somebody else that has more of
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  Speaker 3: an offensive upside? Is that a sign that well, we
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to spend enough to make it or is
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  Speaker 3: that a sign that it's just tough to find that
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  Speaker 3: at the shortstop position. And we're just gonna kind of
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  Speaker 3: have to deal with it because the last few seasons
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  Speaker 3: we haven't had it and look at where we've been.
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  Speaker 2: Eric will have to see And you're asking valid questions. One,
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  Speaker 2: are they going to spend what they have said they
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  Speaker 2: will spend. The chairman of the team, Terry McGirk, has
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  Speaker 2: said he anticipates them being a top five payroll team. Again.
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  Speaker 2: The problem they're having at shortstop is that there aren't
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  Speaker 2: many good ones available. Hash On Kim is the leading
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  Speaker 2: guy in free agency and Scott Boris and Kim they
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  Speaker 2: want to explore the market. They don't want to just
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  Speaker 2: sign with the Braves in November. And if the Braves
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  Speaker 2: made him an offer right now, let's say it was
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  Speaker 2: a competitive offer. If you're Boris, you're thinking, Okay, that's
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  Speaker 2: the floor. Let's see what else we can get. That's normal,
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  Speaker 2: that's free agency. So they can still sign Kim, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe if Kim's market doesn't develop in a way that
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  Speaker 2: he and Boris expect, that can happen. But it's not
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  Speaker 2: something that they could certainly bank on, and that is
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  Speaker 2: why they went out and got Dubon. Now, are there
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  Speaker 2: other shortstops who could factor into their discussions at some
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  Speaker 2: point this offseason? Could C. J. Abrams, the Nationals shortstop,
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  Speaker 2: be someone that they discuss? Possibly is Gil Tovar. I
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  Speaker 2: included him in the column just because the Rockies, you
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  Speaker 2: don't know who they'll trade. And certainly, while Tovar is
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  Speaker 2: probably one of their two or three best players, he's
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  Speaker 2: a guy that maybe they feel they can get a
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  Speaker 2: lot for and turnover in that way. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: The Braves, though, what they did with Dubon was simply
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  Speaker 2: establish a baseline for what they will have going into
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  Speaker 2: twenty six. Now, the point of listing those teams with
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  Speaker 2: shortstops that didn't have great production at the position last
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  Speaker 2: year was to point out that you can make the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: You can even get to the World Series and get
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  Speaker 2: within two outs of the World Series with a less
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  Speaker 2: than potent offensive shortstop. Is it the way you would
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  Speaker 2: prefer to go? Absolutely, it is not. They want to
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  Speaker 2: do better at that position. It's just not clear whether
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be possible.
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  Speaker 1: Ken last one, I'm going to give you two player
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  Speaker 1: names who have some similarities and some signal differences. One
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  Speaker 1: can be up for grabs if you trade the other
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  Speaker 1: ones a free agent. Have you heard anything or have
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  Speaker 1: any thoughts on Luisa Rise and Stephen Kwan. This is
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  Speaker 1: accumulation of many questions coming in from fans. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: let me just bunch those two together because they're both
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  Speaker 1: great at one trade and then they have many differences
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  Speaker 1: on the rest. But what do you think of those
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  Speaker 1: two heading into this hot stove season?
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, these are the contact kings of the
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  Speaker 2: sport right now. And Luisa Rise Mike Petriello of MLB
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  Speaker 2: dot Com wrote an interesting story about him today on
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  Speaker 2: how polarizing a guy He is high padding average for sure,
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  Speaker 2: he makes incredible contact, but there isn't much else to
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  Speaker 2: recommend this game. He's not a great defender, and he
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  Speaker 2: certainly does not hit for power. His market is something
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  Speaker 2: that is going to be really curious to see, and
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  Speaker 2: Petriela listed the Rockies as maybe the best fit for
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  Speaker 2: him because he's a guy that obviously can spray the
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  Speaker 2: ball and that's a place where you get base hits
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  Speaker 2: because the outfield is so big. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how it's going to go for him. Now. Kwan is
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  Speaker 2: entirely different. Kwan is a better defender for one thing,
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  Speaker 2: in left field. He is someone who is quite productive
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  Speaker 2: as an offensive player, and he's someone who is due
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  Speaker 2: to make about nine million in arbitration. The Guardians discussed
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  Speaker 2: him at the deadline. They set their bar high and
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  Speaker 2: no one met it. Will they discuss him again? I
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: would expect that they would, simply because that's what the
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Guardians do. But if you trade Stephen Kwan off an
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: offense that was a bottom five offense last season, then
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: where are you? And this is a team, remember coming
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: off back to back playoff appearances, not plate appearances. So yeah,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: they can entertain it, but it would have to be
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: a really good return and they'd have to get some
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: offensive help. They do have some young hitters coming that
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I know they're excited about, but you also need veterans,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: and Stephen Kwan is a stabilizer for that franchise. To me,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: that would be a tough guy to trade right now.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: If there were trade him. We had heard before that
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Classe and him were kind of in a package at
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: nine million dollars for a contact type of hitter. Does
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: the league look at it that maybe they'd have to
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: throw in some type of bullpen piece in with him,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: because stand alone teams are clearly Padres are trying to
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: get rid of Luisa Rise forever and he was making
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: close to that last year.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think you need to package Stephen Kuan with
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: a reliever, And there was talk of both of them
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: at the deadline classe before of course the gambling stuff surfaced,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: but it was never necessarily a package. It was that
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: they were both getting discussed in trade separately. So no,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to me, Stephen Kwan is value. We saw that at
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the deadline. Dodgers wanted him, other teams wanted him, and
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it didn't get done because the price wasn't meant. But
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: he's got value, pretty high value within the industry.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, more of a complete player too than Arise. Although
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I love me some Luisa rise in spurts, I know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: not as good as season ken good stuff. Enjoy the weekend. No,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: we're loading up, getting ready. Winter meetings right around the corner.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: But we'll see you next week.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Or they need to do a trade deadline in the winter,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: I think that will really speed up. I think last
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: year the trade deadline of they were talking about cease
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: and a couple other guys holding up markets because they
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: didn't know who was gonna get traded, and then markets
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: don't move. So I think to speed up maybe a
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: free agent situation, put a trade deadline in the wintertime,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: because once you're on a team and all that, you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: it's hey, after let's say after January fifteenth, you're with
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: that team until you know April, was it April? They
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: can't trade you until April thirtieth or something like that
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: or April I don't remember. Once she's but maybe put
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: a little window there that might might help some things out.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: But all in all, you want to be ready to
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: go wherever you go by the first of the year
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: so you can get things set up.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: That's Lance Lane on the revamped Cardinal Territory, which also
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: features really a great cast of characters. You can see
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: him on there just now with Jimmy is In Manha
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and Kyle Gibson. But he brought up an interesting idea, Kratz.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: We we hear a lot about the signing deadline, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the trade deadline makes way more sense. The signing deadline
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: is going to cause significant labor issues and it's just
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: never gonna happen.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: The trade deadline is doable.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: You're able to do a dark period during the winter meetings,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and I do or after the Winter meetings, and I
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: do think that it would lead to overall more activity
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: in the market and quicker activity, because that is the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: common thing. Oh we're waiting on the trade market. Oh
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: we're waiting on the players to sign, and it's like okay,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and then nothing happens for two months.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Never can you touch somebody's six year free agency. You
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: can never say, ooh, you know, we're gonna put a
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: deadline on this. We're gonna put a cap on this,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: We're gonna put it takes so much to get to
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: be a big lead free agent. You can't touch that.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: But I love this because it'll it'll it'll solve a
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: lot of things. If a team's like, ah, you know
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I'm in on this trade.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know Dylan Cease is worth. You
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: know he's gonna get paid ten million. Are we willing
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: to spend ten million?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Ah?
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: They don't want to trade them.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It's not a fit.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Bang we move on the free agents right away, or
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: it would get what we didn't see last year, like
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: teams were just calling, hey, how's the off season, Hey,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: how's your truck running? All this stuff? What are you
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: thinking about a team no offers. It would start getting
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: teams saying, hey, we're gonna make an offer at like
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: this year, at a Zach Gallon, Hey, we're gonna offer
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: you five years twenty million a year. Because if Gallon says, no,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I want five years. I want five years one forty. Now,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it kicks back because we have
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: to do this early. It kicks back and say, Okay,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: we're gonna go after Sandyl Contra. We're gonna go after
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: whatever it's gonna take for trek Skouble, whatever that is.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I think it kicks everything up faster, which is what
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: people want.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: And I love what Lancett said. I wish they would
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: do that. Being a part of it cratzy, as you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: it's it takes a mental toll on the guys that
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: are trying to find a team, the second and third
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: tier players, and it just it gets frustrating. I do
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: agree with him. I wish they could do something like that,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: so you know, at the end of the day, you
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: kind of know exactly where you're going. And then it
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: makes them, meaning the owners in GMS, a little more
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: of a push. All right, we can't get this guy.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: This guy says he's not going there, boom. Then who's next.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Then a guy like me comes along, all right, let's go.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Let's talk.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: So I would love to see