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Talks to Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Ambassadors of Death (3/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Hello.
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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt.
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  Penknife the Doctor Who comment with podcast, but knows how many
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  beans make five. Yeah.
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  What do we do? How many beads make to and to
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  apparently, do you feed it into the wrong computer?
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  Yeah, I mean, there is one person that knows how many beans
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  make five is that the Brigadier, Brigadier.
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  And I could discuss the big idea of knowing how many beans make
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  five. But this was a question that was
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  posed To Us by our good friend. Same in heart.
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  Oh. Okay, he also posted a question
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  to us about what we thought of the opening credits, which we
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  discussed in episode 17 way. Yeah, and we asked us if Liz
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  Shaw as a clever scientist, worked as a companion.
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  Oh no, we cover that as well. The sword to and always use all
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  the question was, how many beans make five?
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  And I think the only answer I've got to that is Right, cut it
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  open. I still has a great look like
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  you know, that I think this is a story full of great
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  Cliffhangers. There's only one and nobody can
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  actually see me right now, which I think it's a bit dodgy and
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  that's per we gon rock this facial, pull back as he's
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  hitting the g-force, and going through space.
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  Oh, you can't, you can't not have a perfectly story without
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  him. Good, that's true.
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  Yeah, it's but we doesn't good. Then, you know, you're missing a
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  trick. The best is Spirit from space
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  when he's got, what I was. Tentacles rallies, neck other
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  camera zooming in and out. It's interesting because
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  obviously Michael Ferguson has learnt a lesson since seeds of
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  death, because obviously you have the same affect their of
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  the g-force on the on the counters.
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  Where is literally just part troughton prison.
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  But if I'd be following their first work like this, they got a
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  not this industrial fan on / way and the blue is faced by, you
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  know, Hey good. Some money coming in again.
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  It's the kind of TV license, even if it weighs nothing.
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  So I called James strong, we did Impossible Planet at the money
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  director or something like that. I can't remember now.
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  But that's basically what Ferguson is isn't it?
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  I chose to go very bad quickly. What we're saying in the last
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  episode about the direction. Yeah and this season, you've got
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  Derek Martinez Tim Calhoun. Yep.
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  Michael Ferguson, Douglas Canfield, and Barry.
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  Less oven is a week director there, you know?
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  No, no, it's me Bobby. Let's has it's one of these
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  ones. Where you think, if you wasn't a
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  producer, you would be, you know, your star director.
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  You know, if you if you want, if you want to start a raptor, you
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  probably be a you're safe pair of As writer him and Bob sloman
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  together. If you cannot say monster.
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  And if you can conceive it as a passion project, he could write,
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  and direct a story. Yeah.
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  You could probably just send everyone else home.
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  You could probably just, you know, right?
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  That directed produce it. Like, but, you know, I think
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  like some people say, the power, we are being delivered into his
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  hands. Made it safer and more
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  comfortable and blah, blah blah. I think he is an Ably,
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  incredibly strong, producer, director, and writer.
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  After I don't think the Pertwee era could have been in a safe
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  Pair of Hands. That's its.
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  Oh yeah. Well yes, a question for you.
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  So you know Terrance dicks didn't like the dr.
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  Bean Earthbound. I would like to didn't like the
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  dr. Weiner stoned.
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  Why was the dr. Earth bo3 Series?
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  Yeah, I know that they terroristic says they wanted to
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  like stagger it so I didn't just feel like a sudden reversal of
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  that format change but they could have done it, couldn't
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  they don't know. This happens about it, there's
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  nothing to stop them, you know, in as early as Terror of the
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  autons of seeing wake up, I've got the bits, I need from the
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  money, for the snow isn't too loose box.
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  I mean, the Daniel night said, previously was as you if You
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  watch the Pertwee era in sequence?
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  Yeah, it rewards so much more than watching individual stories
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  because they are absolutely taking a narrative of how we
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  stuck there. How he's making little trips and
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  doing things for the time Lords. How he's making relationships
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  with people. Yeah, then he's offer and then
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  those relationships start breaking up and you know, it has
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  an impact as a narrative as an impact.
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  No. That's I think that's absolutely
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  right and I think I've said this a few times.
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  No. And I really wish I knew who
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  said it that I could, you know, give them the benefit of the
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  court. But someone said that, you know,
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  Season 8 is the doctor been a moody teenager and he really you
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  know, he's he's been grounded by his mom and dad.
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  His first girlfriend split up with him as dumped him and you
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  know Season 8 is the sort of the backlash from that.
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  You know, everyone gets the tongue-lashing because he is
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  with me is worse than it is. In the demons.
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  But I think the way he behaves in the first episode of the mind
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  of evil, when he goes to that demonstration.
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  Oh God, you click on that. It wouldn't you like to see in
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  this one? He gets it spot-on.
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  He has that twinkle in his eyes like spearhead as well.
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  You know, where he's like, you do something with his eyebrows
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  to see how to handle is. Oh, just has that kind of delft
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  on where they communicate with her eyebrows that's delft on,
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  for hello. And as your friend, I'm gonna
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  say something to you right now. Stop it.
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  I'm right, but your heart, if it is any nerves from poetry, you
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  know, after spearhead. Well I think he's kind of
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  feeling its way in a little bit from from silurians onwards.
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  I just feel like you just got it.
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  Yes, he was doing or what he wanted.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And needs.
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  He doesn't let up from that door.
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  Does he doesn't like I think the rate and steers in more towards
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  being a more difficult. character, the what he wants to
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  portray especially things like say that the ends are big like
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  Source in the mind of evil where there's lines there, which
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  deliberately Or insufferable, you know, towards the characters
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  in terms of his performance. You know, he's got that that
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  charm, he's got that in. Pomposity and arrogance or
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  they're mixed in but that's why I saw Steve.
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  The last episode of axons where he looks like he's turning on
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  everybody so he can chip off of Earth.
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  I am convinced when he goes oh bye Joe, I'll miss you and then
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  throws a look at the Brigadier. And I'm like, well that's how
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  he's been behaving, all these. Yeah exactly that's how he and
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  that. That's, that's what I mean.
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  It's that sort of like lack of respect towards like the
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  Brigadier and everyone else that really, for me, that's What
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  makes him more difficult? I mean my relationship with
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  Pertwee is, you know, you kinda grew up with them to a certain
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  extent. You know, when I was a teenager
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  in the early 90s, it was the Pertwee stories that was shown
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  on the BBC more than anything else.
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  And obviously, I had two seasons in McCoy but then I was like
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  thirsty for more Doctor Who and what I was getting that I wasn't
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  getting off of your chest was BBC with Pete.
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  It's the. So it was the green death.
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  It was the cedar was, it was Planet of the Daleks and these
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  are the ones that you know, when I was growing up with really
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  impactful on me and I really love Jon Pertwee in the 90s when
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  I was growing up. It's only when I've kind of come
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  back to him in recent times especially with like the season
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  8 box. That we think actually these are
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  more difficult character other like than he was so well you
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  know me see I love 22 College. A car.
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  I love series 8. Yeah, I like Davison when he's
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  getting really grumpy and season 21 Arie.
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  I do really like early Tom Baker where he's a bit of a grump and
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  I find early Pertwee. He's a bit more intolerable but
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  he is a bit more interesting. I think when he was acidic a bit
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  nasty, but I see how in this series.
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  He's, he's a lot more nice. He's a lot more, likable bits.
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  When you get into it and you actually looks like you got that
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  weird dynamic where the villain of the piece is more Charming
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  but the hero you're ruined and then you get the demons with the
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  Masters in danger. At the end of the episode,
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  you're going o know what's going to happen to the villain.
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  We really liked him but then the demons is the really the payoff
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  of that, isn't it? Because it's what they Pete
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  Lambert I'll don't you go pull it out that theory of is again
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  that's all right - that really works.
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  You know the fact that you're the doctor has to A this
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  completely intolerable insufferable man.
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  That Joe would still throw herself in front of Hazard for
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  does not compute. Voila, we could talk about her,
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  we saw the cows come home, but should we see him in action?
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  Let's all right. I'll count as in, then, we'll
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  talk about them until the beans come home in five, four, three,
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  two, one. And off we go.
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  Go into time. And then you can get your big
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  faced over with a big face of. I this is myelin a low in, it's
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  very active in that whole sequence.
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  Looks like he's a very mild level Buffon as terroristic.
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  This is it. This is the invest in the polo
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  between Pertwee and Capaldi, in terms of all, you know, being
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  quite unlike about to start with.
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  But the bigger, the bouffant, the softer, the character.
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  Well, you must be a very Charming Man then because you're
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  sporting a fabulous booth on at the moment.
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  And honestly, definitely need a haircut.
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  I think not enough. Is that what's this guy's name?
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  Is it Ronald Allen's Island. Yeah, he's very naturalistic.
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  He's also got a really good intensity about them as well,
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  and I love the way that Michael Ferguson, you know, is playing
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  with his massive strength in, there was so many close-ups of
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  our Cornish in this, but I, you know that we've done.
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  Now, we've done all of these trout and bass Under Siege
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  stories with the, you know, hideously arrogant base
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  Commander's like Clen and on the sun and people are like, I mean,
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  this is just insane. Completely different is, they
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  are believe, he is a fellow. Going about and doing this job,
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  you know, really, is he really is and he said make, I say it's
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  up depth, it's those layers to him from him.
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  You know, sometimes sticks in my Coke that are lifting lifting
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  the stroke because he's got a lot of work to do.
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  He's he's in this all from start to finish and you know, other
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  characters come and go but you know he's one of the ones that's
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  your throat. And watch.
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  Watch pit. We jump up on this.
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  Even having a know that dad cutting torches there.
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  Lips under that, at least you could have just cut to that
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  being open and actually showed them cutting it open.
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  But again, it's that sort of pattern, the others date or will
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  have to wait, to cut it up and sort of thing.
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  It's the stretch it out everything, but the given us
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  even even say is what multi-camera you car when you
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  do, but they just sent, they literally had the shot of him
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  looking in, then they have the shot of what he was seeing, you
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  know, what I mean? It's like it's It's quite
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  dynamically done. It's make the food is always got
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  a good angle hasn't. He's you know I'll wait hasn't
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  this been re colorized? Yes, yes, it's looking, it's not
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  looking the best of them in it and I think it was was episode.
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  1 was the only one that survived in color and the rest of had to
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  be amazed. Yeah, but come on like the fact
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  that this show is loved enough that people will go to the
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  effort of recolor eyes. I mean, come on.
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  We are lucky. We are mean the fact that people
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  will, you know, troll the planet for You're kind of stars which
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  you've got Doctor Who in them and, you know, like to see a
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  goal of the effort of finding hidden color and stuff and
• 13:23
  chrome a Datsun and everything. It's I don't pretend to
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  understand any of it, but I'm just very thankful that they do
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  it. I'll okay, let's talk about
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  these space-suited. Ambassador's genius.
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  She needs us the most dad's back, but he's in his uniform
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  now. And yes, it's such a fantastic
• 13:43
  concept and Scientists the, with some shots, where you can see.
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  It's just like a person laughter inside with heart because most
• 13:52
  the time, it's all missed it up, isn't it?
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  Yeah. But when it's missed it up and
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  you can't see is like the idea that it's just like oldest burnt
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  with radiation. Yeah, so that is it is like the
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  suspense of is holding back from.
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  What the hell look? First of all was like, what the
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  hell was in the capsule now? It's what the hell is he?
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  No spaceships as basics? That's great.
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  I am free. I'm seeing a scene later when
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  you actually do see what's in there, it's pretty horrific as
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  well. That is really, really well.
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  Sure it is, it's putting it's a split second.
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  It's like it's a blink and you miss that moment.
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  And that's what it should be. Because even little characters
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  like this man here is saying, you can't ask me to do this and
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  they get a little moments of depth.
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  Oh, there's the heart as the heart.
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  Yes, sorry. Brigadier your berries out.
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  This is hats in the room. Google fonts.
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  It's another thing I like about this is that unit or I've got
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  regulation haircuts, its own stuff but you get to like, you
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  know, Season 10 season 11 and like it's like yeah.
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  Come on bending. There's no way.
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  You'd get I just know was behaving like they're in the
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  Army. No.
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  He's in this one. In this one.
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  The really are you get to see lots of troops doing?
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  Lots of army things, it's all need mind of you.
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  Laughter this, where you get that, that sense of scale, and
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  that sense of I'd say the well, I say invasion of the dinosaurs
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  has some moments as well, it sounds.
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  It's not unit though. It's kind of like Army in
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  general that point, you know. But this year you really get a
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  sense that the Brigadier has, you know, men at his command,
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  who can go and do things. And it's you hear how Caroline
• 15:41
  John got this role, or how she, how she got noticed.
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  So, she said, pictures To spot or whatever it is, you know,
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  wherever the acts of send their pictures.
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  In, in a short skirt, she seldom get me some attention and be a
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  bright was like higher. Well, Ava, and I worked.
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  Yeah, she just she should send a picture in that hat honestly.
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  Did you have a criticism of this sure?
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  That, you know. She dresses too.
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  Pretty for scientists. Why can't you dress pretty as a
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  scientist? Exactly.
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  What on the outrageous? Suggestion?
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  Yeah, absolutely. How dare you be brainy and sexy?
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  My God. But this is it?
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  The Huts just dominating the scene so he's not convinced at
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  all. In this state, he's been fed a
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  pack of lies and he's not so convinced it was this one?
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  Or was it long before we just slams?
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  The pencils? I don't know if he breaks it and
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  yeah, I think it's in this thing actually.
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  Yeah, it's holding it now that it is.
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  Yeah it is much more sophisticated than we're used
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  to. You go back to season 6 and you
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  were doing very simple item. Ice Warriors are bad and humans
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  are good. Yes, dominators dominate
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  croutons cooled and the people in the war games.
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  Well, they stir up about that to the black ants and have a lot of
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  Johnny fun doing that. Yes.
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  Attack. Do you remember the the top
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  Target? Cover.
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  Yes, of the, the hands and the its face.
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  So, it's again, it's an iconic design.
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  It's, it's like the draconians, you know, you see it a lot in
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  publicity photos. You see like the 10th
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  anniversary. Like the ambassadors are coming.
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  You know, it's one of these ones with it.
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  Why was this never used again? But suppose in the context of
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  this story, you know, these aliens would never come back in
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  those space suits. And this is the point where I
• 18:00
  was getting a bit confused and I was like, right?
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  Okay. So carentan has we, are we
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  supposed to be convinced that Carrington is telling the doctor
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  the truth in that previous scene, and that this is Reagan
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  coming in off his own steam, taking the ambassador's away,
• 18:18
  whilst the doctor & Co are going to this place.
• 18:20
  To see the ambassadors. This is this, that's pretty much
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  it is that you know, the aliens were kidnapped by Carrington but
• 18:27
  no Oh, someone else has kidnap, the aliens from Carrington.
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  And the what the actual twist is is that person is working as it
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  was all becoming and Carrington. So with this is where we get a
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  bit twisty-turny. I've got a question for you now,
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  then yes, is Reagan the best heavy in all of dr.
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  Who wouldn't you should say that?
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  Because someone else is us that as well.
• 18:55
  I said there's only one Contender no, to actually, I
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  think, I think William Marlow's character in mind of evil is
• 19:05
  Really scary and I love scorpion.
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  Caesar Doom as well. That's it's Regan.
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  Is the best human villain of the Pertwee era discuss and that's
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  again from Daniel later. So yes, I think absolutely.
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  I think we can hear is again. He's got so much depth to his
• 19:23
  character and he's obviously a Hired Hand.
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  But years capable, he is vicious years without conscience.
• 19:35
  He's got his own agenda even, you know, he's not just a hired
• 19:40
  goon because, you know, obviously spiders, current and
• 19:43
  want borders and to kill the doctor later on, he doesn't, he
• 19:45
  thinks I can use this man, a my lunch.
• 19:47
  I'm going to bring him back to bust it out each queue or
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  whatever it is and it's just fantastic.
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  He's also I love like the fact that he can go to Mission
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  Control and you know you know how all that he's smart like
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  this sequence. Here is incredible where he
• 20:03
  buries the two bodies. This is astonishingly adult for
• 20:06
  Doctor Who, so don't lie. Yeah, this isn't the sort of
• 20:09
  cartoon violence. We were getting last year and
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  the what we get next year? Yeah, I mean, this is I'm going
• 20:15
  to put you in the back. You to go in the back with these
• 20:18
  astronauts will not harm. You.
• 20:20
  You've got guns knowing full well that they are not going to
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  come out life because of the radiation and I don't know why
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  it's all seen. All the equipment and the gravel
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  cut being poured down and there's just something about the
• 20:33
  way this is directed. So clinically it makes me a bit.
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  I got a woman when Karen on John's watching this on the
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  commentary and she says oh this is horrible, you know?
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  And it is, I mean it's a horrible sort of death for these
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  characters and it's a whole other way that they are then
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  dealt with afterwards but like you wouldn't be seeing this in
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  the ground Williams era. You wouldn't be seeing this in
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  season 24. This is uniquely season 7.
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  I think it is, you'd see something like this in
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  Hinchcliffe. I think I do.
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  I still don't think it would be as killing me cause I think it
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  would, it's play. That is a big cartoony.
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  Some of that violence in hinge Clips?
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  No, I think it's a bit melodramatic.
• 21:13
  There's nothing melodramatic about this.
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  This is just rough. It's clinical and it's graphic,
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  even though you're not actually saying anything.
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  You know, you'd actually seen like, and bust us do some big
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  Zappo. Anything, just the fact that
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  meal sit in the back of a van with these these guys for half
• 21:30
  an hour or so and you're done, you mentioned the word bond.
• 21:34
  Earlier about some of this and I think Reagan is the character
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  that reminds me most of a bond character because it later on,
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  he's like, in a suit, isn't he with like a colorful, hanky he's
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  incredibly Charming in a way that like James Bond actually is
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  and yet he's vicious as well, you know?
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  And and does some diabolical things.
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  Absolutely, I mean, this this here, the way the Vantage It's
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  very cute bond. Isn't it very catchy?
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  It's such a dastardly revolving, like, okay, that was a very
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  expensive effect. It looks a bit dark but if it
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  was very expensive, it's great. Obviously do you think Doctor
• 22:27
  Who Could Be sustained being this adult this Fisk ated?
• 22:35
  I thought think It could be, I think any more than it could be
• 22:41
  sustained. Being, you know, as Camp.
• 22:44
  As maybes. 24 was yeah. Otters.
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  You know, that type of humor from from 17.
• 22:53
  I think you can get a couple series out of it but you need to
• 22:56
  have a bit of a righty. I don't know, I've made the drug
• 22:59
  so many times know that doctor who is a broader church with so
• 23:04
  many different styles in everything that, you know, just
• 23:08
  to have one, you know, type of Story, one type of year after
• 23:13
  two long isn't good, as it did Hinchcliffe.
• 23:15
  You know, you wouldn't you'll get away with Hinchcliffe for
• 23:18
  much longer than you actually didn't fact.
• 23:19
  We didn't, you know, it was me. All the case of technical
• 23:23
  Filipino, Mary's, there he's pissed.
• 23:27
  She's coming off the other than anything else.
• 23:29
  You know, people were kind of moved on a little bit and it's
• 23:32
  probably want with discuss. Something about whether GNT
• 23:36
  Shoulda left. You know sooner than he did, but
• 23:41
  you know what? I think we just need to be happy
• 23:42
  that we've got stories. Like this, which are, you know,
• 23:48
  I don't think there's anything like season seven anywhere else
• 23:52
  in Doctor Who there's no, I think if it is celebrated for
• 23:56
  that isn't it, but it's very unique.
• 23:59
  It's very different. It's the word that people keep
• 24:03
  using as Christy. Yeah, which, okay, I mean, yeah.
• 24:08
  What we just saw how loud, a great, you know, they got a very
• 24:12
  gritty, you know, it's hard sci-fi.
• 24:16
  Let's see what and not just because of grit and because of
• 24:20
  our adult, but because the those ideas, the idea of like parallel
• 24:24
  universe the idea with aliens but that aren't aliens, they
• 24:29
  are, you know, imagine if your lizard's evolved rather than you
• 24:35
  know monkeys in India. Humanoids.
• 24:38
  What would you get sort of thing?
• 24:40
  It's, it's a hard idea to hard sci-fi idea behind all, I think,
• 24:46
  as well, he is doing nothing as if like these are these are Big
• 24:49
  Ideas. But if this realistically played
• 24:53
  out, you know, lizard people aliens coming to Earth parallel
• 24:58
  universes. I don't think I would other
• 25:01
  seasons of Doctor Who are thinking in that way I told
• 25:03
  they're like, well, let's just be a crazy imaginative, your
• 25:06
  axle. So you know, it's somewhere the
• 25:08
  Crazy. I just saw several shops then,
• 25:11
  right? And this is how you know, dogs
• 25:13
  who is being a dull because I managed to get a genuinely
• 25:17
  naturalistic performance out of several shots.
• 25:19
  I don't know if you remember him in Tomb of the Cybermen, when
• 25:21
  he's going around going. Oh, this hateful place or in
• 25:25
  Androids of Tara's the archimandrite and that's
• 25:28
  fabulous. Colorful hat.
• 25:29
  Remember, we bought our own planet of the spiders.
• 25:31
  Only got two incredible and there, but in this, there's a
• 25:35
  sea layer where it gets killed without isil.
• 25:38
  Hope that it's a genuinely dramatic.
• 25:40
  It's shocking. That is probably one of the most
• 25:43
  adult things and we've ever seen in doctor when we get there.
• 25:47
  We'll discuss that a little bit further.
• 25:49
  You said about your wife watching into the Dalek.
• 25:52
  Yeah, and saying, I'm not watching this anymore.
• 25:55
  When Peter Capaldi made a varied other things, she would care for
• 25:57
  this senior with Lennox and the isotope.
• 26:00
  Yeah, absolutely. I mean we're still so The
• 26:08
  believe that's the astronauts at this point.
• 26:12
  We yes, sort of all we are not sure and it does get a little
• 26:18
  bit confused, click the doctor starting very shortly that you
• 26:21
  know, that astronauts are still in space because current is fed
• 26:26
  us a line has any that it's have been affected with infectious
• 26:29
  radiation in So on and so forth. So if you kind of like believe
• 26:33
  in him, you're taking his word on.
• 26:35
  If you're like me, then you're thinking or they are, they are
• 26:38
  the astronauts and we sing this out.
• 26:41
  This is, this is, this is your prison cell for the astronauts,
• 26:43
  right? But what they've done is, is
• 26:45
  they built a set with a staircase, so you can shoot up
• 26:47
  and down on different levels with a window.
• 26:50
  So you can shoot in and out. It's a very inventive designer
• 26:54
  and S, because this could be very box, standard could Who's
• 27:00
  the designer? It was Okay, he looks pure Pond
• 27:06
  right now in that suit. Absolutely.
• 27:12
  What's he doing? What's he going in there?
• 27:13
  He's for the astronauts fallen over.
• 27:16
  So Wiggins gone into lifting back up on the table but this is
• 27:21
  where we'll get another one of those.
• 27:22
  He's absolutely massively grown-up and chilling moments
• 27:28
  because the astronaut noches is Lennox.
• 27:32
  Oh, that's right. Yeah, this is just, I mean, this
• 27:35
  is where they show little shops gives Just a master class in
• 27:40
  tell you, there is something just so chilling about not
• 27:47
  showing us what's in there, you know, you know, you know me
• 27:51
  like, you know, like with a horror movie, what's scary is,
• 27:54
  what you don't see because when you do see, it is usually pretty
• 27:57
  disappointing. And my imagination stretches
• 28:01
  much further than the Prosthetics of a doctor who
• 28:05
  monster. It's it's just that sort of like
• 28:10
  Menace of them. Coming up the stairs with
• 28:12
  Dudley's score. I didn't actually see that will
• 28:15
  wobble dead, you know, I did but you know hey ho well even with
• 28:20
  the light effect, you see how they've shown a live for the
• 28:22
  bars and then it's got like a effect on the ceiling.
• 28:26
  Yeah, it's just very thoughtfully.
• 28:29
  Very fully realized oh this is great when you guys we don't
• 28:33
  need to get them off the radiation.
• 28:35
  We need to give them more more. He's great.
• 28:43
  This is great as well. This is they cut to finding the
• 28:46
  bodies don't and there's a very quick, dramatic car.
• 28:48
  Again, Yep. Then it's just superb on this
• 28:54
  isn't it. Mmm, sorry.
• 28:56
  What were you going to say? Then just have that whole thing
• 28:59
  of the Ambassador come up. The stairs for for Lennox is one
• 29:04
  of the things that really hooked me on the stories.
• 29:06
  Like I said that just know Dudley Simpson Doo Lu, Doo Lu
• 29:10
  ten, it's such a slow pace and it's the lumber and after women
• 29:13
  Lennox kind of, get out, you can't go any way to the top of
• 29:15
  the stairs with up Seto violence, only because the
• 29:18
  Ambassador runs out of rods and Falls backwards that he's
• 29:21
  actually, Saved. And oh, look at that food.
• 29:25
  They do the same sequence again later, don't they?
• 29:28
  But that's when the ambassador's revealed.
• 29:31
  Two lives. Yep.
• 29:32
  And is even scarier than that moment.
• 29:34
  We just had. Then, you know, I've got a
• 29:37
  question for you then because Do you think this could be four or
• 29:44
  five episodes long? It could be, let's say there's a
• 29:48
  lot that's kind of been stretched out.
• 29:51
  The question is, would you want it to be?
• 29:53
  I think you'd lose some of the complexity and you'd lose a lot
• 29:58
  of the character work. It would be all plot.
• 30:00
  It would be all it. We basically because of axons,
• 30:02
  which come on, where is this cake carrot work?
• 30:05
  Because there isn't any It's in the master Bill fire.
• 30:09
  Let's go find them in his hair. I don't know what you're talking
• 30:14
  about. Frasier know.
• 30:20
  What was the question because this be shorter?
• 30:22
  Yes. It's one of these ones.
• 30:25
  Where you think? Yes you've got pardon and this
• 30:27
  pattern throughout book. It's such good quality.
• 30:30
  Pardon what would you want to lose?
• 30:32
  Would you want to lose that tension in the first two
• 30:34
  episodes of A spaceship Doctrine and hazing action sequence in
• 30:40
  the warehouse, you know, the would you rather have just two
• 30:44
  policemen Nick? And yeah, your spirit has her.
• 30:49
  That's awesome. You could lose the bit with a
• 30:51
  bodies being buried, but it's, you know, you'd lose one of the
• 30:54
  most adult moments in the show. You could just drive the
• 30:58
  spaceship back to the unit, you know, you don't have to have any
• 31:01
  of this, you could cut so much out of it and you could get it
• 31:03
  down to sort of fall apart if you want to stuff with Lennox
• 31:05
  escaping in the cell. Cells.
• 31:07
  But that's really shocking. You could just have the, you
• 31:11
  know, go straight from being. We don't know who's doing this
• 31:13
  to its Carrington without the sort of, you know, sort of
• 31:17
  Double Bluff. But the entrance to that base,
• 31:20
  their looks just like the entrance to Stargate SG-1 as
• 31:23
  they go through a tunnel. Just like in Stargate SG-1 for a
• 31:26
  mountain. Only to sing again, though.
• 31:29
  Oh yes, bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb on.
• 31:34
  This is where it's like, dude. Which is also a nice shot of her
• 31:41
  ways are so they're hanging honestly, at this point though,
• 31:50
  direct people to go to YouTube and look for the gesture of a
• 31:53
  bitch. The doctor would be Simpson is
• 31:55
  Doctor Who yeah, Project B has transcribed, not only the
• 32:00
  students who didn't them buses. Think what he's done.
• 32:03
  And the flight of Miss Shaw shall be dr.
• 32:05
  Shaw Jess. But never mind.
• 32:06
  Hey. Done way more than just our best
• 32:09
  because he's done. Total scores are Well, she loved
• 32:14
  it looks to be Simpson, you know, go and see, Jess on
• 32:18
  YouTube because it's absolutely fantastic.
• 32:21
  Happiness. Leasher in Bessie being pursued
• 32:24
  down the motorway come, don't compare this to me, the similar
• 32:28
  sequences in and of the spiders, which is kind of all comedy
• 32:33
  Tramps and things like that, and stupid helicopters.
• 32:38
  So, we're back in the Sweeney again.
• 32:41
  Yeah. Lutely.
• 32:42
  It is that sort of like, you know, a 70s cop show Vibe of,
• 32:47
  but yet you, you get it in front of spiders.
• 32:50
  You you think where you got an episode of Pardon?
• 32:53
  But this is a different vibe do that because you really feel.
• 32:55
  This is like great assets of Pertwee and like well we're
• 32:59
  going to put the Koch's in but we're not going to give you a
• 33:01
  car chase. We're going to give you a
• 33:02
  quarter. He's underplaying Chase.
• 33:03
  Under the hovercraft is we're going to do gland are answered
• 33:07
  by an action sequence in a where yeah, with an amazing hat.
• 33:11
  I remember Erica Anderson from lazy Doctor Who when she they
• 33:17
  were going through early part way.
• 33:18
  And she was really criticizing the fact that there was like a
• 33:21
  lot of action and she just didn't, she just didn't have
• 33:24
  time for that. She wanted to sort of, to be a
• 33:27
  bit more dense. There's they plotted.
• 33:29
  But you know what? This is, kind of predated what
• 33:31
  TV is now? Because there will stop for a
• 33:34
  long action sequence on television.
• 33:35
  Now, what It is a very sort of like let some dicks thing.
• 33:42
  You know, you don't really see scenes like this again.
• 33:44
  I would say the of the Pertwee here.
• 33:47
  You don't really see you know, Sarah Jean going for a long
• 33:52
  Chase somewhere. If you'd like, interestingly,
• 33:55
  this we are was scouted by Carrie, John's brother.
• 34:01
  Oh yeah. Yeah, what was his name?
• 34:04
  Was it my mic? No, no, Michael, I can't
• 34:07
  remember now. I guess what I remember was when
• 34:09
  she left and Katie Manning came in, he played he played a joke
• 34:13
  on her in Terror of the autons and one of her first scenes and
• 34:16
  made her cry and jump it with tell him off.
• 34:21
  But apparently Caroline, John said that he wouldn't treat her
• 34:24
  with kid gloves. Yeah.
• 34:26
  And she had to tell him off and say, look you do your job?
• 34:28
  I'll do my job, get out my face, Do you not think though that
• 34:34
  that we're is a very dramatic location like it just feels
• 34:38
  urgent you know because of the Rushing Water it isn't it?
• 34:42
  So I don't know if art was you know running over from your
• 34:45
  life. Maybe is I would not choose to
• 34:46
  run across a we are but and the other thing is obviously that
• 34:50
  Kerry John is pregnant, she time, I don't think she told the
• 34:56
  production team that she was pregnant.
• 34:57
  Think that's was a conversation that had after infernal.
• 34:59
  When Bobby Let's was trying to break it or we're not going to
• 35:03
  renew your contract because you know, we don't think this
• 35:07
  character works in this scenario and she was like, well, I was
• 35:11
  coming to tell you I'm not renew me got back or something.
• 35:13
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:16
  Anyway, she's running across because that's not a nice sunny
• 35:19
  day that Rivers, quite high in that we are.
• 35:21
  And, you know, it's wet, she's built in the long, you know, in
• 35:25
  so finishing, I wouldn't do that.
• 35:26
  Now, I was both back then and it's a stunt man.
• 35:30
  Isn't it dressed up in the fabulous?
• 35:33
  Yes, it says, I think it's Royce come L who goes over we are.
• 35:39
  But I don't think apart from perhaps Lilo jumping through the
• 35:41
  window and talents working triang.
• 35:43
  You see, as good as stun from, like a companion, from the
• 35:47
  character, you know? Yeah.
• 35:50
  Sort of it's going through the wind and Remembrance host.
• 35:53
  Yeah, you know, you don't get, it's just, it's Unique as an,
• 36:00
  it's just very of of this Agent of this time and, you know, Bond
• 36:05
  create a mess do much, it's all just the Sweeney, it exists,
• 36:09
  it's exciting. And you know, I could just come
• 36:12
  outside question. I ask you a second ago is I'm
• 36:14
  going to answer it myself. I don't think I think like
• 36:19
  realistically. This could absolutely be
• 36:22
  shorter. You could probably tell the same
• 36:23
  story in five episodes for one. Let's Because it's so well done.
• 36:30
  And because the extra time is used really well to add a lot of
• 36:36
  substance. A lot of depth and just let a
• 36:38
  fucking action. I wouldn't want to, I want it to
• 36:42
  stay at seven episodes, there's not a scrap of this, I would
• 36:45
  want to lose. There's not one second of this.
• 36:47
  The way I would actually say I'll go put the kettle on now,
• 36:51
  you know, everything is just gold on screen at the minute.
• 36:54
  Well, let's see if we contradict that statement in episode 4,