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Happy Hour #56: My Fanfiction is Better Than Yours · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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Speaker 1: never told your production of I Heart Radio, and welcome
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Speaker 1: to another Happy Hour. We are actually recording this one
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Speaker 1: at Happy our time on Friday. Happy Yeah, So cheers
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Speaker 1: to that huge Friday. Yes, I'm so excited. Also, as always,
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Speaker 1: drink responsibly if you choose to do so before we
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Speaker 1: get into this one. Here a rare Happy Hour disclaimer.
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Speaker 1: I am being self indulgent and I am being a
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Speaker 1: bit salty, and we are focusing largely on the fan
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Speaker 1: boy aspects of toxic fandom. But I want to acknowledge there.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely know there are toxic fan girls, and they
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Speaker 1: have bullied creators, and they have bullied people offline. I
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Speaker 1: had a friend who was She left her job because
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Speaker 1: of some really intense railo fans Kyler, Wrin and Ray
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Speaker 1: from Star Wars. So we should definitely come back and
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Speaker 1: talk about that again. I know we've talked about it
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Speaker 1: in a few past episodes, but for this one in particular,
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Speaker 1: kind of focusing on the fanboy aspect of toxic fandom. Uh,
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Speaker 1: and I also want to say, well, this might sound
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Speaker 1: like a hit piece to certain male UH. Star Wars graders.
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Speaker 1: It's not. It's absolutely not. I promise you it's not.
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Speaker 1: And also I want to say I thought about this, like,
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Speaker 1: perhaps way too much, but I was thinking about kind
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Speaker 1: of Star Wars books when I was younger, and you know,
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Speaker 1: sort of early fan fiction if you will, and those
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Speaker 1: weren't you know, people did make fun of them in
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Speaker 1: in culture at large and media large. They were popular
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Speaker 1: among Star Wars fans, which it was sort of still
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Speaker 1: kind of mocked at the time. And now that things
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Speaker 1: like the Mandalorian have made Star Wars or you know,
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Speaker 1: things like that of main nerdiness more mainstream, I don't
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Speaker 1: think there is mocked anymore. But that was a thing
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Speaker 1: that happened. However, I would still say it was mostly
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Speaker 1: men getting their work published, and I would still say
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Speaker 1: that these Star Wars books were held in higher regard
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Speaker 1: than women writing fan fiction. I think that this is changing.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, there are going to be some spoilers. They're
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Speaker 1: gonna be very light, like I hesitate and to even
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Speaker 1: call them spoilers. But it's one of those things where
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Speaker 1: I think if you thought about it, you could figure
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Speaker 1: out what I'm talking about, which means that Samantha is
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Speaker 1: going to be very kind and just listen to me
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Speaker 1: vent a lot. Yeah, yeah, and that I would also
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Speaker 1: like to thank my friends, the Katie's, the two katies
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Speaker 1: that I have in my life that are very close
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Speaker 1: to for letting me have a very intense text exchange
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Speaker 1: to get my feelings out. But anyway, all right, a
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Speaker 1: lot of things that I'm discussing are matters of opinion
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Speaker 1: and interpretation. I get that, even if it sounds like
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Speaker 1: I don't. As I said, this is going to be
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Speaker 1: very self induligent. But Samantha, what are you sipping on?
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Speaker 1: I am keeping it light with my what's called light
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Speaker 1: sky Blue move, mainly because I just want to sip
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Speaker 1: on something that it's not too heavy. And yeah, sometimes
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Speaker 1: beer may be super sleepy, and I'm just saying, like
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Speaker 1: the the obviously the higher alcohol content, but like I
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Speaker 1: p A s and any of the craft independent that
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Speaker 1: I do love makes me sleepy. So I feel like
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Speaker 1: I need to be aware of for this conversation, just
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Speaker 1: for you. Um so I'm sleeping on just a generic beer,
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Speaker 1: what about you? Okay, Well that's actually that's perfect because
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Speaker 1: we are I didn't even specify what spoilers you might
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Speaker 1: have to worry about. We're talking about Scream and Star
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Speaker 1: Wars bo uf in here. Uh, and you know the
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Speaker 1: the Blue Sky, Blue Moon. There's an indoor moon Star
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Speaker 1: Wars parody of that beer. So you're you're right right
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Speaker 1: in in. I was gonna say in fashion that's not correct,
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Speaker 1: but I am sipping on what is essentially a Gin
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Speaker 1: and Tonic, but spicy because I'm feeling very spicy for
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Speaker 1: this episode. I just put some hot sauce in there,
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Speaker 1: and it's actually really good. It's kind of nice kick
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Speaker 1: m I like it. Yes, Yes, So all right, let's
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Speaker 1: get into this because I got a let's say, a
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Speaker 1: lot of franchises are getting rebooted or are they have
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Speaker 1: new entries that are coming out right now, And we've
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Speaker 1: talked about a lot of them, including and just like
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Speaker 1: that recently the Sex in the City. It's like, reboot
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Speaker 1: is not necessarily correct, but yeah, continuing story, continuing story,
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Speaker 1: Thank you the Matrix. We did a whole feminist movie
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Speaker 1: Friday on that We've mentioned Halloween, Uh, Scream and of
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Speaker 1: course Star Wars all the time Star Wars, and something
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Speaker 1: I've found interesting is that a lot of them seem
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Speaker 1: to address fans and how fans perceive them, or how
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Speaker 1: fans have influenced these franchises um or toxic fans, and
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Speaker 1: they almost have like a wink wink thing going on
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Speaker 1: about moving on from legacy characters or holding on too
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Speaker 1: tightly to how you think a character should be, and
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Speaker 1: how these characters are never going to be happy as
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Speaker 1: long as we keep bringing them back. And trust me,
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Speaker 1: I feel so sad for my fictional characters that I love.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to see this movie, but I
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Speaker 1: want you to be happy, and I know the two
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Speaker 1: can't co exist and they can never co exist. No, not,
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Speaker 1: not if we're going to keep making this type of movie.
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Speaker 1: In this case, I'm talking about Scream, and I have
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Speaker 1: a fan fiction i'm writing right now, and I kid
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Speaker 1: you not, I'm at the I know how the story goes,
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Speaker 1: I'm at the precipice of it going all wrong. I
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Speaker 1: can't write it, Samantha. I feel too guilty. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I can't do this to you. The tragedy is just
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Speaker 1: too much tragedy and it's too much I like, I
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Speaker 1: want you to be happy, So I've I've actually skipped
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Speaker 1: the traumatic part and I started writing the healing from
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Speaker 1: the traumatic part. I mean, that's not a bad thing.
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Speaker 1: I think I could work. I think that's fine, but
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Speaker 1: it's fine. I never used to have that problem before,
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Speaker 1: but now I'm like, I cannot write, I cannot do
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Speaker 1: this to you, but I still have it hanging there, like. Oh, Also,
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Speaker 1: I want to say I learned some new fandom terms.
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Speaker 1: And this is from TV troops dot com quote. When
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Speaker 1: a creator answers a question about their work, should they
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Speaker 1: provide an in universe answer are real life answer? The
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Speaker 1: former is the watson Ian perspective, the latter doyalist oh
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Speaker 1: as in like Watson and Doyle's the writer. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: get it, I get yes. Yes, I bring this up because, um,
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Speaker 1: there's been some criticism of specifically Book of Boba. Fette
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Speaker 1: is Like, I get I being like a lot of
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Speaker 1: fans get why you have to make these decisions based
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Speaker 1: on budget or technology or yeah, just basically plot stuff.
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Speaker 1: But you didn't explain it in universe like I get
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Speaker 1: your real life limitations, but you were kind of just
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Speaker 1: like okay, and you didn't really give it an answer.
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Speaker 1: So it's I had never heard of that before, but
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Speaker 1: I was like, yes, that's because all the time you're
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Speaker 1: thinking about, like, oh, I wonder why they could do this.
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Speaker 1: I bet they didn't have the money or something like that,
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Speaker 1: so that they are those terms. And yes, of course
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about a fiction we looked down
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Speaker 1: upon fan fiction when women in non binary folks write it,
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Speaker 1: but we laud it and make it into movies or
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Speaker 1: TV shows when it comes to men. And on top
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Speaker 1: of that, how toxic fan boys and studios are controlling
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Speaker 1: what material gets made and who gets to participate in
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Speaker 1: making it. If I could like make a thesis statement
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Speaker 1: of the like anger that I'm feeling, which, by the way,
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Speaker 1: if this was a different show, I would read that
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Speaker 1: texas shape I was going off. I was going off.
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Speaker 1: I think it is. I'm frustrated with who gets decide
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Speaker 1: what cannon is. And then I'm frustrated with the fact
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Speaker 1: that toxic fandom is also influencing who gets to decide
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Speaker 1: what cannon is when we are also making fun of
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Speaker 1: fan fiction, which is what you are doing, right. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I do also want to put in here. I've
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Speaker 1: said it time and time again. Fan fiction is a hobby.
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Speaker 1: It for a lot of people, it's a hobby, and
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Speaker 1: it's not like ever intended to go beyond that. It's
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Speaker 1: like if you like playing soccer and you're not ever thinking, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be a professional one day, you just
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Speaker 1: like playing soccer. And I had somebody tell me recently
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Speaker 1: you could make money if you, you know, had a
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Speaker 1: Patreon on and people could read your fan fiction, and
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Speaker 1: I said, I sure could. But that kind of ruins
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Speaker 1: to me what fan fiction is, which is this sort
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Speaker 1: of beautiful free space where we're all doing that, and
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Speaker 1: then I think it would become this capitalist thing, which
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Speaker 1: is part of what I'm talking about here is part
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Speaker 1: of the problem. So it's as seemingly simple as a
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Speaker 1: topic as this is, there are a lot of layers
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Speaker 1: and my mind is always percolating on it. So wait
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Speaker 1: for for fan fiction that has become successful. Is that
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Speaker 1: the same thought process like they did they sell out?
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Speaker 1: Or is it like you know, we want that too,
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Speaker 1: uh to? It's not they sold out to me. There's
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Speaker 1: plenty of fan fiction and this is the point I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna make throughout this that is really good and like
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Speaker 1: I would pay to read it, and plenty of it
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Speaker 1: is better than a lot of what I see. But
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Speaker 1: I guess my my worry is if like the whole
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Speaker 1: world of fan fiction got monetized. Like, I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's wrong that some things are picked up because they're
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Speaker 1: really resonating with people and then they make money. What
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Speaker 1: bothers me is like if the the idea that the
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Speaker 1: whole if I had to pay to read fan fiction,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I would, and I love fan fiction.
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Speaker 1: You know, I love fan fiction. So it's more just
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Speaker 1: like my I don't want to turn that world into
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Speaker 1: a place where it's only monetized and capitalized. I I
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Speaker 1: like that some people have found success, and I think
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Speaker 1: that some people could even I think one person said,
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Speaker 1: what if it was like you just got the update
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Speaker 1: early and that's the Patreon that you paid for it?
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Speaker 1: Is I maybe there's ways it could work. I just
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Speaker 1: don't want the hole you would pay Yeah, sometimes yes
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Speaker 1: I would, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got no real problem.
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Speaker 1: I do have a problem with, like some people who
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Speaker 1: have made success from fan fiction writing fan fiction and
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Speaker 1: then looking down on fan fiction getting mad when people
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Speaker 1: write fan fiction about their work. That polished me. But
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Speaker 1: that's kind of a separate that's fair, that's though, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a separate Istione critic M hm. So this was inspired.
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Speaker 1: This whole thing was inspired by yes, the Book of
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Speaker 1: Boba Fett recently ending, um, but also a recent day
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Speaker 1: dream I had of like what if I got to
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Speaker 1: write a Star Wars show? Like what would I do? Uh?
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Speaker 1: And then I had the almost immediate shutting down of
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Speaker 1: this dream because not because I didn't think I couldn't
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Speaker 1: do it, but because I thought two things in quick succession. One,
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Speaker 1: these men doing it are more qualified. Two, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to deal with the inevitable fan boy backlash um right,
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Speaker 1: which is not good because if it if that's one
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Speaker 1: of the first things I think, Um, that's very like,
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Speaker 1: that's already gate keeping, that's already like okay, these men
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Speaker 1: know better, which you know they might, but it's not.
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Speaker 1: It was more of a just immediate shutting down of
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Speaker 1: no way it compete. And it was less of oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: they've been working in film and movie and writing. It
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Speaker 1: was more of fair men in this like nerdy world.
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Speaker 1: And then the second, like the fanboy backlash that I
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Speaker 1: was immediate. I don't want to deal with that. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to and I know people who have left
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Speaker 1: projects because of fan backlash and fanboy backlash specifically, so
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Speaker 1: that's already like it's already not great when it comes
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Speaker 1: to diversity in these fields, but for that to be
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Speaker 1: causing in this case, I'm thinking of women I know
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Speaker 1: to leave. That's making it worse, and I do I
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Speaker 1: want to put in here, like, I know how annoying
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Speaker 1: it is for people to look at your job and think, oh,
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Speaker 1: I could do that when you've had training or been
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Speaker 1: in the business for years, total respect, but still like
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Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. I guess I'm questioning who
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Speaker 1: has afforded these opportunities because I still think I could
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Speaker 1: write something pretty good. I think I think you could
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Speaker 1: do I think I could you definitely. It frustrates me
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Speaker 1: that I just instantly doubted that, Like even though I
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Speaker 1: was like this idea, I think I could do that,
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Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh, no, you can never
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Speaker 1: do that. I will say. Also, having to deal with studios,
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Speaker 1: especially big studio like Disney, it seems like a real nightmare.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I could do that very well, but
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Speaker 1: I think I could write the thing. You just have
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Speaker 1: to be famous before the fact, so we need to
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Speaker 1: make you famous famous and then have the support of
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Speaker 1: Mark Hamill and then you would be down. I would
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Speaker 1: melt into a puddle find you would. That's like if
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Speaker 1: you ever can't get a hold of me, like after
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Speaker 1: he ever tweets me or something, you can't get ald
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Speaker 1: of me, you know, by the bye our Twitter, the
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Speaker 1: stuff Mom never told you. Twitter has now they do updates.
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Speaker 1: He did not, really, they do updates of like you
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Speaker 1: might be interested in this person's tweet, and we follow
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, and and out of nowhere it says,
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Speaker 1: here's Mark Hamills. Sweet. I didn't even know what it
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Speaker 1: was about. But because someone in the Twitter verse has
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Speaker 1: realized your love and we don't even follow Mark Hamill
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Speaker 1: on our stuff, Mom never told you, but it needed
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Speaker 1: to alert us about Mark Hamill's ticks tweet that I'm
14:39
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's because of you, which is quite funny
14:42
Speaker 1: because we don't mention it at all in Twitter. But
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Speaker 1: for me to get that notification or for me to
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Speaker 1: see that notation was like, this is Annie's fault somehow.
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Speaker 1: I don't deny it. I don't deny it. So I
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about Scream, which was a movie that
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Speaker 1: I love. Um I saw it at the drive in
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Speaker 1: and then I was fortunate enough to see it again,
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Speaker 1: and I absolutely adored it, and it actually addressed some
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Speaker 1: of the stuff we're talking about. And one of the
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Speaker 1: things they have, of course, in every screen movie, they
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Speaker 1: have the scene where they sit down and they talk
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Speaker 1: about the rules of the horror movies, because if you
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Speaker 1: haven't seen these movies, they're very, very meta. Um And
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Speaker 1: in this one, the character I can't remember her name,
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Speaker 1: but she's like Randy from the original movies, her his niece.
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Speaker 1: She's like, we got to talk about recals and she
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Speaker 1: breaks into this definition of what a requal is and
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Speaker 1: she's like, you know, the fans are mad, like, you
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Speaker 1: can't have a straight reboot because they don't want that.
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Speaker 1: They want some of the legacy characters from the other one.
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Speaker 1: But you can't continue from what the last movie did
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Speaker 1: because they hated that. So you have to create something
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Speaker 1: that's not quite a sequel. It's a recal. It's in
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Speaker 1: between a reboot and a sequel. And so the movie
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Speaker 1: in itself, yes, exactly, and no joke. They bought up
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Speaker 1: Star Wars. In that conversation the Last Jedi, in particular,
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Speaker 1: the first text I got about the movie, Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: they're talking about Star Wars and fan fiction and Mary
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Speaker 1: SEUs which was all the all these critiques, uh that
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Speaker 1: were thrown against, like the Mary Sue being Ray and
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Speaker 1: then this is just fan fiction, which is part of
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Speaker 1: what I think is really frustrating me because it is
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Speaker 1: fan fiction. But you're making it sound like it's good
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Speaker 1: when they do it how you want them to do it,
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Speaker 1: but it's not good when they don't do it, um
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Speaker 1: the way you think is the appropriate, ray, appropriate way, appropriate, right.
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Speaker 1: But they also talked about in this movie. They talked
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Speaker 1: about toxic fan boys and toxic fandom and I wish
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Speaker 1: I could spoil the ending because it's so good and
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Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts about it. But essentially it's
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Speaker 1: like fans, this toxic fan culture, thinking they're entitled to
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Speaker 1: a thing, getting angry when they don't get that thing,
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Speaker 1: and then getting violent when they don't get that thing,
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Speaker 1: and trying to create something through violence that they believe
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Speaker 1: is better. Also, it is all about kind of it's
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Speaker 1: very parallel to Rage Journey. I'll sleep it at that.
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Speaker 1: So good, but yes, let us talk about the Star Wars.
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Speaker 1: So okay, I've been fired up. I've been fired up. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I think I was getting really angry watching there's
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Speaker 1: been a lot of an announcements around Star Wars lately,
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Speaker 1: and also have the book of both Beet and I
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Speaker 1: was just getting angry and angrier about this idea that
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Speaker 1: like these kind of white fan boys getting paid millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars to write fan fiction while it's so down
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Speaker 1: upon and other like any other way, and but you're
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Speaker 1: doing the same thing. You're doing the same thing. You're
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Speaker 1: just a dude and you're doing it and you've got money.
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Speaker 1: And like maybe I'm not even saying they're not talented.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I'm kind of annoyed at this
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Speaker 1: where why we are differentiating where well, they're doing it
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Speaker 1: so that's not fan fiction, but it is. It absolutely is, uh.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like it's proving to me over and
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Speaker 1: over again that they these kind of fan boys at large,
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Speaker 1: I'll say, missed the power of the ending of Return
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Speaker 1: of the Jedi, which I think is feminist in nature
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Speaker 1: and that's the whole thing, And that they connect hardcore
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Speaker 1: with like ass slash failure characters and think that violence
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Speaker 1: and combat is the answer. Which I've actually thought a
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Speaker 1: lot about this, and I want to come back and
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Speaker 1: do it an episode on the glorification of the Asp.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, when so when a lot of these fanboys
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Speaker 1: grew up who hated Return to Jedi by the way,
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Speaker 1: they hated it when it came out, Uh, they got
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Speaker 1: to fix it, which to me is just like constantly
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Speaker 1: it's you know, I love being a fan, but it's
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Speaker 1: also sad sometimes. Um. I figured out that was a
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Speaker 1: supernatural right when I was getting into it in the ending,
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Speaker 1: and there was so much debate and even today not
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Speaker 1: too lost. I somehow got it on TikTok and they're
19:29
Speaker 1: debating about who they hate and why they hate them,
19:31
Speaker 1: and I was like, that seems unnecessary. Yes, agreed, agreed,
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Speaker 1: And I tried really hard. I try really really hard
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Speaker 1: because I am a big fan of stuff, Like I
19:41
Speaker 1: don't want to make people feel bad about something they're
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Speaker 1: a fan of, as long as it's not like horror
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Speaker 1: Pole or whatever, like if we have different opendence, because
19:50
Speaker 1: I'm very sensitive to that actually, and so I try
19:53
Speaker 1: to be mindful of you know, like there's a certain
19:56
Speaker 1: character that you brought back that I hate in book,
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Speaker 1: but I know a bunch of people like him. So
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Speaker 1: I was trying to be like, yeah, oh I was
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Speaker 1: screaming at the TV. No. I feel like from the
20:13
Speaker 1: Rebels portion that I saw that cad Bane should have
20:15
Speaker 1: been fighting Finnic, but I was like, okay, that's true,
20:19
Speaker 1: or the bad Batch it was a bad Batch where
20:21
Speaker 1: they find yeah bad Batch. Yeah yeah, and so again, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I try to be like it's not it's okay, my experience,
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Speaker 1: but yeah. It also cracks me up that a lot
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Speaker 1: of fanboys who were behind the whole not my Luke
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Speaker 1: Skywalker thing or mad that he wasn't a cinnamon role anymore.
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Speaker 1: But if I told him what a cinnamon role was,
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Speaker 1: they would deny it. They would deny that that was
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Speaker 1: not masculine enough for them, absolutely, So that kind of
21:02
Speaker 1: cracks me up. Also, just another thread, Patro Pascal is
21:06
Speaker 1: essentially playing the same character and with the same dilimma
21:10
Speaker 1: in terms of audience, which again I don't want to
21:13
Speaker 1: spoil things, but in the last of Us, so that
21:16
Speaker 1: was kind of I kept thinking that, like, wow, it's
21:18
Speaker 1: the same, Oh you're doing he playing the Mendo character
21:22
Speaker 1: in the last character Okay, Um, yeah, So I guess
21:28
Speaker 1: what's really annoying to me is that, yes, these toxic
21:31
Speaker 1: fanboys are controlling what gets made in terms of like, uh,
21:36
Speaker 1: like the review bombing or just we're asking people on
21:40
Speaker 1: social media, like all these things that are intimidating people
21:43
Speaker 1: like me. Not that I'm saying I could, I'm going
21:45
Speaker 1: to succeed, but like I wouldn't even think of it,
21:48
Speaker 1: like I was immediately no because of this. And that
21:51
Speaker 1: is a term of gate keeping, and that at least
21:55
Speaker 1: somewhat along with studios interfering. That's that's just in fluence
22:00
Speaker 1: saying these franchises in particular so heavily, and not just
22:04
Speaker 1: Star Wars. And on top of that, a lot of
22:06
Speaker 1: the writers paid to write this glorified fan fiction are
22:10
Speaker 1: still men who I think would be outraged if it
22:13
Speaker 1: was called fan fiction. I think they would be real piste.
22:17
Speaker 1: So do we know Foloni stance on fan fiction because
22:21
Speaker 1: he the way he describes why he loves it so much,
22:25
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's talking about fan fiction because he
22:27
Speaker 1: was like, I took the story, and I would imagine
22:29
Speaker 1: what if Yeah, I don't know, but I imagine it
22:35
Speaker 1: would not be good because my thing is like I
22:38
Speaker 1: still think even if even if he was like, okay, yeah,
22:42
Speaker 1: fan fiction there's still that hang up on that idea
22:45
Speaker 1: that fan fiction is written by girls, young girls who
22:50
Speaker 1: just want to have sex with like characters they like
22:54
Speaker 1: and that creeps them out and they dismiss it, which
22:58
Speaker 1: is not true. It's not the case like that can't exist,
23:01
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's anything wrong with that existing, right, Wait,
23:04
Speaker 1: but not the point of like when boys would have
23:07
Speaker 1: pictures of scantily clad celebrities at the same kind of level,
23:12
Speaker 1: except it's not, Yeah, but that's that's okay because male
23:17
Speaker 1: sexuality is fine, but when it comes to young girls,
23:21
Speaker 1: that's not fine, Like that's creepy. Interesting. Yeah, I mean
23:24
Speaker 1: this is I have a lot of experience, as we've
23:26
Speaker 1: discussed in the world of fan fiction, so this is
23:29
Speaker 1: a lot of my opinion and I will acknowledge that,
23:31
Speaker 1: but I've also I've got experience. I mean maybe that's
23:37
Speaker 1: ultimately what I'm trying to say is, can we just
23:39
Speaker 1: like stop pretending that it's only young girls who have
23:43
Speaker 1: some kind of sexual thing that freaks you fiction that
23:48
Speaker 1: you're looking down on when that's what you are doing.
23:51
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying right, and I'm not even like, again,
23:55
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Maybe they're totally into fan fiction,
23:59
Speaker 1: but it just I just feel like a lot of
24:03
Speaker 1: people would be furious, like not just mad, but like
24:07
Speaker 1: outraged if you said the concept of labeling, yeah, like oh,
24:14
Speaker 1: that's that's not academic and that's not good, so therefore no,
24:19
Speaker 1: And then I think like, yeah, I guess it's just
24:23
Speaker 1: frustrating because they make a lot of money and they
24:27
Speaker 1: get to decide what cannon is a right and right
24:32
Speaker 1: now I'm still confused by that, like that's still that
24:35
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. How is it cannon? Now? Okay? Cool? Cool, cool,
24:39
Speaker 1: Look I have to ask you that. All the time,
24:41
Speaker 1: I was like what, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.
24:44
Speaker 1: So I have my own headcanon pretty pretty well. So
24:48
Speaker 1: I'm like, I ignore that this happened, because no way
24:51
Speaker 1: I'll accept this. Yeah, it's a whole thing, um bringing
24:57
Speaker 1: up so many issues right now. I it was outraged
25:01
Speaker 1: over the past two days. I was like, my friend
25:04
Speaker 1: she texted me, it sounds like you're grieving, and I
25:07
Speaker 1: was like, maybe, but perhaps you are. I also am
25:14
Speaker 1: very like I try very hard, like this will pass.
25:18
Speaker 1: I'm I'm right now, I'm feeling it real hard, but
25:21
Speaker 1: this will pass. And I'm I try really hard not
25:24
Speaker 1: to be like it's not worth In my opinion, it's
25:27
Speaker 1: worth getting upset over, but it's not worth getting that
25:29
Speaker 1: upset over, like I have ultimately no control, even though
25:33
Speaker 1: I was also thinking about that, like what if a
25:35
Speaker 1: bunch of I don't know, feminist Luke Skywalker fans got
25:40
Speaker 1: on and we're like, hey, creators, if you don't care
25:43
Speaker 1: this like the fan boys, could you imagine? Gosh? I
25:49
Speaker 1: was so mad when I write this. I when I
25:51
Speaker 1: wrote this outlet, I could tell because I wrote, they
25:52
Speaker 1: are the ones with attachment issues explanation. I agree, I
25:57
Speaker 1: think that's true. Past Actually, I was like, even you agree,
26:00
Speaker 1: you said it. You can't agree with yourself and everyone
26:03
Speaker 1: who said it. I can't agree with fast Annie who
26:06
Speaker 1: was in the Thrones of emotion. Oh my gosh, so
26:14
Speaker 1: much angst. And then I pay me in all caps
26:18
Speaker 1: are consult me. That's all I'm saying. I think I
26:20
Speaker 1: could be a pretty good consultant. I don't know. I
26:22
Speaker 1: think you've proven yourself on movie Crush, especially you're teaching
26:27
Speaker 1: Chuck so much the Jedi Master Star Wars, and it's like,
26:37
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta let go of my emotions. I
26:40
Speaker 1: gonna release them into the force working on it, um,
26:45
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a real quick because I
26:47
Speaker 1: feel like I need to and go ahead and tell
26:49
Speaker 1: y'all this is a spoiler for Bubba fet So if
26:52
Speaker 1: you want to pause it, skip over it for a minute,
26:54
Speaker 1: you can. So Grog was decided not to be a Jedi. Correct,
26:59
Speaker 1: that's where we're at. And this is with Mandalorian. Yeah,
27:04
Speaker 1: he's decided it at this point in time because he's
27:08
Speaker 1: essentially the same choice that you ought to gave Luke,
27:11
Speaker 1: where he's like, you can't go save your friends or
27:13
Speaker 1: you're treating it's kind of the same thing. So Luke
27:15
Speaker 1: a parallel there, a parallel journey that kind of because
27:20
Speaker 1: of because of how grow Goo ages. It's not gonna work.
27:26
Speaker 1: I don't know again, Like that's one of those things
27:28
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I don't know if this is your
27:30
Speaker 1: real life problem or you're in canon problem, but uh,
27:35
Speaker 1: the way they're currently handling it, it won't work, um,
27:38
Speaker 1: because Luke will be dead by then. Okay, moving on
27:43
Speaker 1: past past that spoiler, past the spoiler, but yes, thank
27:47
Speaker 1: you to all of my friends and some of you
27:49
Speaker 1: listeners who have listened to whom we just vent. I
27:53
Speaker 1: mean the text exchanges I've had through these tough fandom times.
27:59
Speaker 1: Uh and cheers cheers today, tears yes, yes, And go
28:06
Speaker 1: write all the fan fiction. Go read all the fan fiction.
28:09
Speaker 1: There's amazing stuff. I mean, this was like this book
28:12
Speaker 1: of Boba Fette thing was like chuming the fan fiction
28:14
Speaker 1: waters all of a sudden, A lot of people are fiction.
28:20
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people with a lot of opinions.
28:23
Speaker 1: This show almost as many as uh the Marvel shows.
28:29
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, and and just like that too, because
28:31
Speaker 1: it was very it was very divided, it was very polarized.
28:34
Speaker 1: I would say, I feel like the Mandalorian people just
28:36
Speaker 1: either really just loved like it felt like that was
28:39
Speaker 1: like a good show for people to be back into
28:42
Speaker 1: this world, but like the rest of them had so
28:44
Speaker 1: much Why did you do it this way? I was like, old, damn. Yeah,
28:48
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of my biggest I keep hearing
28:52
Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus. You gave it like a red gigball because
28:57
Speaker 1: the last three episodes we're not at That was an
29:01
Speaker 1: ad for the Mandalorian season three, So that's and I
29:04
Speaker 1: don't really even like Boba Fett, but I was willing
29:05
Speaker 1: to give him a try, and then they were like,
29:07
Speaker 1: never mind, it's going to be about this now and
29:09
Speaker 1: he's not even in the episode. I love Finic, so
29:13
Speaker 1: I was very excited. I feel like they should have
29:15
Speaker 1: done more with her, definitely, but okay, agreed, agreed. Well,
29:20
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29:27
Speaker 1: could keep going and going. I feel like we're gonna
29:29
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29:31
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29:36
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