Latest / True Crime and Wine Time / S6 E30 _ Sarah Hartsfield_ Black Widow _ Part 4_ The Minnesota Shooting _ TCWT Podcast

Transcript

S6 E30 _ Sarah Hartsfield_ Black Widow _ Part 4_ The Minnesota Shooting _ TCWT Podcast · True Crime and Wine Time

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to true crime and Wine Time. I'm Terry and
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: I'm Mama. Tonight we are uncorking the truth why one
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: of the darkest crimes and breaking.
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: It down together with you. One case, one conversation, and
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: one or maybe two glasses of wine and take the job.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: It's time to get comfortable and double check those locks
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: before we discarned.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: So let's take a sip and dive in. Hello, it'll
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: have a wonderful though.
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: The internet's trying to keep us apart. But no more ya.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: Well it's not just the Internet, it's Mother Nature.
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: That's true. Yes, that is.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what Ohio and Illinois has done, but
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: they have pissed off Mother Nature.
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, I went without power for a couple of days.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: Not a fan. I did not like it. I did
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: not care for it. Hot. Oh, actually, we're blessed. We
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: were so blessed. Uh. It was between like sixty nine
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: and seventy four degrees and like a cool even though
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: it was humid, it was very cool. It was so nice,
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: thank good, nice.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: So less sorry for you.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: Now, Well, that's that's saying something in the middle of
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: August in Ohio. It is it's one hundred and four
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: here today, it's not that night out. Oh, so it
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: would have been a hope for my story. You might
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: have been covering one of my cases if it was
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: any hotter, that's for sure. Because it turns out I
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: am not a happy camper when these inconveniences like no
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: power comes along. But oh we got it back this morning,
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: which is lovely.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: That's how I felt last Thursday when me and Lady
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: and Gray had to cancel last minute because we were
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: getting ready to hit the live button. Everything goes down
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: and I tried to text people. I have no WiFi,
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: I have no cell phone, and we have two different
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: internet companies. Everything was down.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, I.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: Don't do well with this.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: I uh on Tuesday when it happened, because it happened
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: when I was like live, I just started my morning show.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: We got an email about.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: That, yeah, and uh it was out and then like
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: my phone could not connect to any networks. It would
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: go from like five G to like four G LT
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: and then four G plus, which, by the way, the
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: four g's don't even work on anything. I don't even know.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: I don't understand they used to work. I don't need
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: all and now nothing I could not connect to anything,
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: and it was awful. I think, yeah, I think I
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: looked to my own mind. But is it humid too
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: aware for Texas? Probably because here it is.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's humid here. Hello, Mama, Lama.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: We had fog this morning too, Like that's it's been
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: weird here in Ohio. Let me tell you what so
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: more tomorrow too. Yeah, Hello, Craig, Hello, good evening.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: You know, Craig, you and I haven't talked on the
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: phone in a while. We might need to schedule a ketchup.
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my pencil, I'm in.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've been communicating very email and text, but
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: we haven't done we haven't done the phone thing.
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: I had to use my phone like a real person, Terry,
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: I have to be on the phone like a real person.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Alama's not well.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: M m I'm not well.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: But then like I sent you the text because then
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: I had to use satellite to be able to send
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: you a message because we didn't have self service. But
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: I guess because we live so close to whatever it
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: says you can send emergency message through satellite. I'm like,
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: this is an emergency.
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: This is an emergency. Are you. Okay, I don't know.
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: What I've been busy. I have worked on your son's stuff,
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: but also i'm getting shut We'll catch up.
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up. We'll pencil you in, Craig.
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: We will catch up. And let me tell you, so
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: many people when we were doing the documentary last night,
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: they're like, we are getting Sarah tomorrow night, right.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: Oh really, that's amazing.
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: They are like, Okay, we need to know what's going on,
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: and they were like this, we need to know the story.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: And I had to tell sweet little Mary, I'm like, Mary,
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: only episode four, we have five four to go.
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: It's health the end. It's not the end, but I
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: promise every episode is worth the wait. I can balance it, promise.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've had a chance to go
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: back and watch the Dock review, lots of sweet comments
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: about our deep dives.
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: Oh I love that. Yeah, because I couldn't tune in
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: when you guys were watching her afterwards, because I was like,
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: I got to save my battery, so I haven't been
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: able to watch or anything.
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: How are you keeping your phone forward? And then you're like,
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: I go sit in the car and I was like,
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: oh shit, I never thought of that Oh yeah, that's right.
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: Well, and so I actually learned I'm the worst elder
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: millennial ever. I learned what how to use a hotspot
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: on my phone. Never have I And so luckily at
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: night before I went to bed, we were able to
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: connect it to my laptop and watch shows why we
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: went to bed, which you want to take a guess
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: of what elbow feet decided we were going to watch.
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: Remember no Power, we're basically glamping, okay, at least the Dragons. No,
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: we decided to watch Alone or Australia No No, No
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: Alone Australia of people living out in the wilderness with
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: nothing while we living in the city with her. And
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: I love that he did that for you, which, by
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: the way, the Australian alone people are woosies was compared.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was, Mama, lummy, you don't know about hot spots,
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: will teach you.
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't know, you didn't know, and I didn't know
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: the button I've never knew.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: And then I have a separate Wi Fi.
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember the day when like at first like
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: was a thing and then you had to like pay
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: for it and everything. I just assume things were still
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: that way, and I don't pay for extra things, except
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: for like reading my voicemail, because I don't want to
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: check my voicemail, like we pay so you can tell
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: me what it says. Because I am not checking my voicemail.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: I need to service you're on because it's free on
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: T Mobile. We don't pay for it.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: It might be free now, I don't know. I don't
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: pay the bill.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: You might want to check, you might want anyway. But well,
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: I'm power. I am very happy that we are back
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: with this story.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: Me too. I've missed everyone so much.
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: I sad you missed the documentary review because I had
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: so much to talk to you about it.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, you'll have to watch it over the weekend.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: And I had to. They left a lot out and
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, sorry, guys, I'll tell you what other
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: podcast to go listen to. Told them to go to
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: Date Line. I was like, lom and I do not
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: have time for a deep dive, and they were like,
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: are you sure? Are you sure it's not.
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: If I recall you sent me a message and said, well,
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: why you're out. You can get into some other deep
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: dives if you like. I don't have enough.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: Right, And then I was like that she doesn't have internet.
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: How is she going to deep dive?
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, don't even oh my phone? It was a mess.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: I do not do well.
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: Did you have a lot of critters like come in
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: your yard or in your house because it's dark and
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: the power's out everywhere? Because that's something you see in
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: Texas when it's dark and you no longer have street
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: lights and stuff, you have to be very careful because
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: the critters come out.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: No, So what was really infuriating was so my neighbor
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: like across the street got power at like three o'clock
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: yesterday because they're on a different grid than us, which
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: is stupid, right, And then I told you the storm
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: like ripped off my electricity like box from the side
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: of my house, like beciding the awning. It's not great
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: out there, right, And I called the electricity about it.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: So last night, it's about like ten o'clock at night,
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: and I get an email from the power company service
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: has been restored, And I was like, no, I still
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: got a candle in a lantern, Like what are you
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: talking about? And so I look outside and all of
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: my neighbor's lights are on except for us.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: Did you just look at the switch?
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: No? No, I had to be like reported allergy. So
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: they came out and they fixed my power because they
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: were not going to turn it on because I wasn't
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: sure if it was like the wire was exposed or not.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: You did want it to be live and popping around
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: when it came back.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you how stressful that is? Because I sat,
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: I stressed the f out for two days that they
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: were going to turn my power on and my house
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: was going to get you on fire, like stressed.
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: But I remember being that way as a kid, when
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, they came teen.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: And it happened. They came at eight thirty this morning.
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you what, I have never been
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: happier to be woken up at eight thirty in the
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: morning by a lovely group of men's well because my
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: power wasn't on yet. No, but can I tell you no,
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: they left in a hurry. They got they got a
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: whole city to clean up, y'all, Like it is still
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: there was a tornado. I'm like, the south side of
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: the city. They did determine that today. But uh no,
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: that first cup of coffee I had, oh my god,
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: it was the sexiest.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: Oh I know, you were talking about a discord.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, this is I'm like, she.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: Has a car to charge your phone? Did she not
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: just drive down the street to Starbucks?
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't. One. A lot of places didn't have power,
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: like I can't the entire city. I got yes, because
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: the first night we were like, okay, you know what,
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: will go see the New Spider Man movie, you know whatever.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: We got a look of times guess what closed, and
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: we weren't going to drive to a different part of
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: the city because I mean, like listen, power lines trees
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: down everywhere all over the city. That like to drive
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: would have been a nightmare. So we didn't and just
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: stayed home in the dark and watch There Alone Australia.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: So then you got to have your sexy cup of coffee.
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: I did. I did?
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: Was that coffee better than sex?
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: My mother's watching?
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, But.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: So the answer is yes, like.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: Your mom is watching, the answer is yes.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I guess we should like get onto the show
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: or something, but why we're here? Otherwise we'll just sit
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: and talk forever because I feel like I think I've
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: only talked you once in like a week, because I
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: you had friends. This is what happens Okay, thank you, Mama.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: Lama. You told her to come to your house and
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: have power, and she refused.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, that was yesterday and I got it,
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: Mamma a list of reasons. I'm just I'm glad thank
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: you told us the full story. I'm just very thankful
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: you got the power back. I'm thankful our house is fine.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: Many people's houses were not fine. That's so I'm very
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: very happy. And maybe two days without electricity is what
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: everybody needs to be grateful. Again, I don't know, because
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: let me tell you what I was, you know, me
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: in the mornings eight thirties. This morning, Lama, oh man,
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: she was like ready to go.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: But I just need to know, and I know everybody
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: watching her listening did so she did.
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, she slept. I was worried all time, No struggles
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: with her.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: No, all's worried because she would want to go outside
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: the rain and you'd be like, yeah, you're not going.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: Girl, Oh my goodness, No, she didn't. She went outside
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: one time on Tuesday until like ten o'clock at night.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: She was like, I'm beholding it as long as I can't.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it literally storm stormed from ten in the morning
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: until seven pm. I don't know what a hurricane's like,
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: but I feel like it's probably close to that. It's
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: probably nothing like that. And my Southerner's friends are like, oh,
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: that's not how hurricanes are tropical. No, we had eighty
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: two mile an hour street line winds, I mean the
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: city that's that's and a tornado apparently, Yeah, that's a
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: good deal.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad you were safe. I'm glad you'll move
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: it safe, and I'm glad and I hope you're welcoming
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: to all of the little me snakes and wasp and
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: bees that are going to need to come in your
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: house because it's really wet outside, Lama, you're gonna.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Need you can keep the snave that you are.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Terry, I quit got come out because I've had shots,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: have taken a nap, I've got out of bed, I
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: got no makeup on, and I'm being risky tonight. So
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: but before we talk about why we're really here, if
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: you're watching on YouTube, please hit the like button, subscribe
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: to our podcast, our tar podcast, to our channel, and
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: hit the notification bolls you never miss when we go live, Like,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: I actually got a notification tonight.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm glad that's working again for you. I mean,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: it'sn't for a lot of people, so that's good.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Finally, thank you to YouTube, and if you're listening to
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: this on the podcast apps, please download, leave a rating
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: and review, as it helps our little pod get noticed. Now,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I am going to preface it the review that we
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: got today. I appreciate it, but I'm not sure you
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: need to tell me I have a sexy, raspy cigarette voice.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: Oh I like that though, so I'm like, okay, I
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: like about you or me.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: They were talking about me, oh okay, and I was like,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: I think it must have been when I was sick.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: A little jazz voice. Yeah, to each their own hopefully,
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Hey listener, please come subscribe to our YouTube channel. I
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: can get rid of absolutely no people in the comment
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: about my voice all the time. And it's kind of
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: weird because I'm like, I don't know, I found like that, but.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I don't either, because people say I love your voice,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: like double h. She goes, I like your voice on
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: the podcast more than your voice in real life.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, is it different?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Does that mean said? Is it different? He guess it's different.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's the smoky, raspy voice. Apparently, I guess I can.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Do you mean to start reading smut novels as a
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: podcast or something, Well, I can tell you this.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: When I read to the Littles to the Grand Littles,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I get very expressive, and I try hard to not
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: do that on the podcast, because, like, I get into
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: character when I read stuff where women's are voices are
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: either sexy or bad. That is true.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, what's the term? I use a vocal fry. I
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: don't know what that means, but I'm always paranoid. I
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: have it because the internet will love to tell you
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: you have it. I'm like, I don't know what that means.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Nobody said that about.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Me, but yeah, you missed it last night because I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: learned how to say dosy better, you're it's joysy.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Okay. Hey, I have a certificate from Real Housewives of
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: New Jersey. Okay, I know.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Because Laney helped me with them, and I told her
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I'm hiring her as my voice coach because she's better
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: than my voice coach.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: M Okay, So all right, sounds great. Anyway, where were we? Oh?
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: If you like our YouTube channel, you can also become
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: a member, which comes with all sorts of exclusive perks.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Just click the join button and pick which tier works
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: best for you. The lowest starts at ninety nine since
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: and the two ninety nine Bessie level and higher gets
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you all of our member only videos, which are a
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: fun time. Gosh, I haven't been alive and so long.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I feel I'm black. It's a fine. Sorry, I'm very
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: excited to be here. I've missed everybody. I was bored
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: by myself. God, you know how annoying it is in
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: my brain. Oh I'm over her.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I know how I do with me and in my
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: brain like that, and it's not great. Like now, guys,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Lama's back, so I'm going to tell you all. She
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: is back in couch Court with Lama has officially started
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: its own YouTube channel, and guys, we did not get
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: a divorce. Still part of TCWT Media, but this is
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: our first step in our vision of giving each of
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: our shows its own dedicated channel, making it easier for
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you to watch what you want to watch. Okay, now,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: all of our membership perks are staying here on True
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Crime and Wine Time, So we're not asking you to leave,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: but we are asking you to go over to couch
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: court hit that's please button hit that like hype some videos.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Give Lama some love because she will be back next
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: week and guys, after her being off the microphone for
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: a couple of days, it's going to be great.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: There's so much to sin, so many things. No, please, yes,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: go like me at at couch court with Lama on YouTube.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: So I'm almost to the first tier of subscribers and
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: watch videos that we need to get monetized over there.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's changing as of February, so we better
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: do it for February.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I know, I got like one hundred and seventy four
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: days the huttel I'm ready to challenge accepted. Yeah, but oie,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: we go ahead.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you supporting TCWT media in all of our ships.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, a lot goes into every single show we have,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: so we love having you. Guys.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know you tell us what we're covering tonight.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Well, we are finally back to covering the case of
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: part four of the Sarah Hartsfeld story. If you haven't
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: heard the last three episodes, please pause this, go do
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: that now and come back to us later, because this
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: is one of the wildest stories I've heard and read
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: and researched from beginning to end like it. Knew nothing
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: about it and I knew nothing about this. It's a
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: fairly recent case, but it just gets worse. And you
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: don't see that a lot with female killers and arsenal.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: It's fascinating. And yes, she's.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: An arsonist, a killer, a child abuser, and a military veteran.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: That. Yeah, she sucks right a lot. And we're going
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: to talk more about how much she sucks tonight and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited about it. Yeah, So anyway, well what
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: are we getting? What are we drinking tonight? Well? I
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: should drink If you can't tell.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I haven't. I shouldn't be drinking, but I decided to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: be risky. I'm having a glass of Saint Souper's seven
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Young Blanc, my all time favorite. I will say I'm
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: regretting the decision a little bit. Oh No, three SIPs
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm feeling So that's either a good thing or.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: A bad thing. I say it's a good thing for now.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Worry about the bad later. That's a future terry problem.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, what are you drinking?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I am drinking at some Spedka vodka with my tall,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: fancy glass when it was the only clean one because
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: we didn't have power for like two days. Uh, don't worry,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the rest are being done. But I was like, you
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: know what, I'm feeling fancy, So I have Spedka vodka
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: with cran mango juice and this was actually my drink
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of the weekend for all my friends that came in
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to visit. I poured everybody's heavy drinks and it was
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: a great time. So that's any pictures over.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: On the discord of that weekend, there.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Are a lot of pictures, so I will make sure
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to post them because.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Did anybody dance damn level levels like we did last time?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: But that we were all in an airbnb.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: No, we were not in that bougie of an airbnb.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: The side, but we had porch cats which was nice
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: tea cats out front, yes, and they were very friendly.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: There are three of them. One's name was Rider. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: don't remember what the gray one was, and then there
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: was a very fluffy one and they were like calico,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I guess, but orange calicoats.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: So they had four colors orange.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Black, white, yes, and then another but the one that
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: was super fluffy was sisters with Rider and the fluffy
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: one's name was Satan. Apparently that's what a neighbor told us.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: They were very friendly and very kind cats. They were
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: porch cats, so that's what the house came with. But no,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: it's a great time, a fantastic time. So I've already
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: had one of these drinks.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, owners should lead you leave information
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: about the cats?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, I want more information about these porch cats, please
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and thank you. Well.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: We are waiting on Lady and Gray to send us
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: coloring pictures because I sent her a cat's coloring book
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and we should be seeing some beautiful cats soon.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, you know what we should do.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: This is a complete side conversation. We are railing all
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: over the police. Well we should make like our team
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: pets coloring book. We're all lame and now write it down.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: That's a good idea.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Round, I'm writing it own.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Viewers, Now, viewers, we could do their pets.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Viewers, if you will email Terry or Tara at Tcwtmedia
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: dot com, we will do that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: See what happens when Lama has some time off. Just
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: word vomiting ideas. I'm out. Hi, You're welcome. Love that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Love that Laney, Laney, I just shared with Lama that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: she doesn't know how to say it right. Say it again,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: New Jawsy or Jersey, New Joysey, New Joysy.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: What is our email? How let me put it in
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the I'm gonna put it in our you got you
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: sadly and pale coloring book lady in Gray Joysy. Yes, Like,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: how do they say daughters, dog datersters?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Apparently I was saying it really funny because I normally
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: would say it New Jawsy.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: There you go. You can find our emails right there
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: on the screen. Email Terry t r I at TCWT
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Media dot com, or you can email them to me,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: but I'm just going to forward them to her, So
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: just probably just email her to be quite honest. Actually,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Buffy will forward they email, So Terry, let's be super honest.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I s say, let's just be really transparent. So if
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you want to see anything personal to Lama, don't Buffy
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: gonna see it. My email's private.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: That's not it is not that she does not go
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: snooping all up in my stuff, unless then.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Let's keep checking out the email.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what we're drinking. Let's get into the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: story of tonight, shall we Yes.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So I hope everybody that is here that you've been
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: tracking this monster with us from the very beginning, okay,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: because what we've learned that Sarah Hartsfield's past isn't just
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a series of bad breakups. It is truly absolute destruction.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: She's horrible, She's the worst.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Now. Last week, well, a couple of weeks ago, six
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: four those watching us live, but listeners, you've known no break.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: But in part three we started breaking down the staggering
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: nineteen year alone usion of stability that was her marriage
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to Master Sergeant Christopher Donahue. We revealed the horrific reality
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of their children face behind closed doors, a household run
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: like a cult, where severe physical abuse was hidden under
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the rule of excuse me. What happens in the house
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: stays in the house, which high control families are very
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: cult like. I think many people don't think the family
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and they think of cults. They doesn't anything that's high
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: control a situation. It's a cult.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And we watched the match get struck when we tracked
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Sarah back to Missouri in twenty fourteen, where she screamed
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: at her brother Cody over an inheritance in the will
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: before her grandmother's house burn to the ground, compliments of Sarah,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: because we don't see a lot of female arsonists.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: No, it's exceedingly rare, very very She's like all of
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it alone. And we're not talking one arts and we're
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: talking several. Because then we exposed her secret two year
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: roller coaster with Brian Altis, a viatl affair that ended
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: with Sarah faking a pregnancy. Hello, Laura Owens, shout out,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: and Brian's house being completely gutted by a fire just
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: forty minutes after she walked out his door.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: And I need to know why since you started covering
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Laura Owens, because we've had this case picked for a while.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: How come these fake pregnancy shit keeps coming up? This story?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: The last couple of documentaries we watched, I'm like one
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: next week, I'm like, I don't know, Laura Owens in
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: our world or something.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It's apparently an epidemic. It's gross and I hate it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: It is It is so so three volatile relationships, three
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: separate breakups, three devastating fires and guys zero criminal charges
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: or accountability.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: M hm this zero?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Which So today we're going to leave the ashes of
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Missouri and Texas behind, and we are going to head
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: north to Douglas County, Minnesota, where we will begin unpacking
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the David Bragg affair.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Now. Up until now, Sarah's weapon of choice have been isolation, manipulation,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and fire. But in twenty eighteen, her desperate need for
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: control collides with a digital web of pathological lies, a
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: toxic engagement, and ultimately a smoking gun. For the first
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: time in her life, Sarah's chaos turns lethal. This is
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: part four the Minister Shooting. So pour your wine, lock
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: your doors, and brace yourself because the body count officially
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: begins right now.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Please everybody lock your doors and windows and your garage doors.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So Sarah may have returned to her husband Chris after
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the ashes settled in Missouri, but guys, patterns don't just disappear. Okay,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Sarah didn't change overnight. Patterns just wait patiently, and then
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: they start again, and then they repeat. By the summer
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen, Sarah had already found someone new, yet
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: she was so legally married to Chris. Guys, Sarah did
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: not like to be unencumbered.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: She did not now. Her next target was an man
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: named David Bragg. David was a solar panel contractor working
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: with the Army, a veteran who spent four years in
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: the United States Air Force and had also worked as
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: a volunteer at Paramedic. He grew up as the oldest
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: of eight siblings in a big, tightly knit family from
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Virginia Beach, Virginia, and.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: His family remembers him as a man with a true
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: standing presence. He was an avid, passionate sportsman who loved
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the outdoors, and he possessed a deep, fundamental kindness which guys,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: it is free to be kind in case you didn't know,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And according to his mother, dor Swort, it didn't take
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: long at all. Okay, one look at Sarah, David was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: completely hooked.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Now. True to her signature playbook which we're all too
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: familiar with. Now, Sarah told David exactly what she had
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: told others before him, that her marriage was completely ending
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and that a divorce was already coming. But the reality
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: on the ground was very different. Chris and Sarah were
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: not getting a divorce. In fact, Chris had actively deployed
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: in South Korea serving his country. Just this stand up
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: person she is, I'm like, that is disgusting.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Now, Sarah was still living in the house that they
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: had brought they had bought together back in twenty fourteen,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: raising their children under a roof that was supposed to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: represent a committed family unit. And guys, she was supposed
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to be a faithful and loving wife.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: But that didn't stop her for a single second. Driven
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: by an absolute lack of boundaries, Sarah brought David right
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: into that family home. Didn't just hide him in the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: margins of our life. Oh no, no, no, not Sarah. No,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: this time she brought another man into the house Chris
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: was paying for, and they slept together in the very
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: bed she shared with her husband.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And guys, that is even worse than being a cheater.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I think bringing them into your marital bed, that to me.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So disrespectful.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just beyond And her kids.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Are there, her kids live in the house.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. She obviously is not a discreet woman.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So David fell hard for the act. Okay, He was
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: entirely unaware that the woman he was building a future
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: with was actively spinning a web of deep portrayal, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that she was bringing a history of absolute psychologue where
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: for where warfare and destruction right along with her.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Now, while Sarah may have been perfectly comfortable bringing another
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: man into her family home, her seventeen year old daughter
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Ashley was absolutely not. And let me just tell you, guys,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: right now, as this part of the saga unfolds, you
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: are going to find out that Ashley is a true
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: hero and one amazing courageous girl slash now woman who
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: did the right thing at the risk of her mother's
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: cruel punishments.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: And Ashley, if you somehow see this, reach out to me,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: because I have to tell you are amazing.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, just all of them.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: But she what you're getting ready to find out and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: just see you know, Double H must be watching because
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: he brought water. He's like, you need no more wine.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: You're looking a little rough.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: So that's very sweet of you.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Now, at seventeen, actually was old enough to understand exactly
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: what was happening under her roof, and she was entirely
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: unwilling to look the other way. She knew what was wrong.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: She took a massive risk.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: She got a message through to her father in South Korea,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and guys, she told him all of the truths.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: That takes courage, sure does sure does, especially since now
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: we know how she treated the children. Yeah. Now, before
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: that message, Chris had already strongly suspected infidelity, but he
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: had zero proof of it. The confirmation from his daughter, though,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: changed everything. Chris immediately requested emergency leave to return home home,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: and the army granted it. He flew back to Texas
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: with one singular goal to see for himself and catch
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Sarah red handed.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know about y'all, but that makes me excited.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So he's been putting me at the ship for too
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: many years yep, and now he has a chance of
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: catching her. So to make sure her mother didn't wriggle
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: out of it, Ashley stepped up to help. Okay, she
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: was a badass bitch. She knew that Sarah had recently
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: started locking the master bedroom door okay, on the door knobs,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: so Ashley replaced it with one that required a key.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Mom didn't notice, and then she took that key and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: hid it outside under a rock in the flower bed,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: waiting for her father's arrival.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, now, Kristen and gives Sarah a single heads up
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: that he was coming. He waited until the dead of night,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: when the house went completely quiet, and everyone was fast asleep,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: though I doubt Ashley was. He slipped onto the property,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: grabbed the key Ashley had left for him under the rock,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: let himself into his own home, and walked straight up
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to his own bedroom.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Now he slipped the key into the lock, and then
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: he turned the handle, and he pushed the door open.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: And there they were, Sarah and David, completely wrapped up
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: together in his own marital bed, in his house. Okay,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And the moment the light hit them, Sarah's survival blueprint
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: instantly kicked into overdrive. She immediately jumped up, began explaining, deflecting,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and spinning a frantic web of just the Kings doing
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: exactly what she had done to every man before. I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: can critic sure that in my mind, Oh.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. Oh it's not what you think it is.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: But Chris n he was completely done. He didn't argue,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: he didn't yell, and he didn't stay. He turned around,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: walked out and headed straight back to South Korea with
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: one clear, unshakable intention, the file for divorce and in
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the nineteen year illusion, once and for all, good for you, Chris.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Can you can you imagine the breath he took.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: He just went, well, they still have to go to court.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's Nopeach, but that's you know, I could
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: just imagine him thinking that. But guys, if you needed
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: any more proof of just how calculated, in deep cool
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Sarah could be, look no further than how she retaliated
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: against her own daughter for exposing the truth.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just three days after Christopher caught her in bed
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: with David, Sarah realized her perfect mama bear mask had
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: been completely shattered in front of her family. She needed
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: an escape route, and she needed a way to make
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: herself the victim because it's Sarah. So she weaponized the
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: ultimate lie against her own children. Mm hm. And she
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: gets worse.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: She I mean, if you've thought what we've covered so
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: far as bad, just be prepared. So Sarah looked her
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: seventeen year old daughter Ashley in the eye and told
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: her that she had a malignant brain tumor. She left.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Who guess I want you to let that sink in
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: for a second. You tell your teenage daughter you're dying
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: from a brain tumor or malignant that's where your brain goes,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and that she simply couldn't be around children.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So, instead of staying to fight it with her family,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: checking herself into a hospital, reassuring her children, who have
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: got to be scared, she packs her bags and leaves.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard a doctor prescribed don't be around children,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: let alone her children are. They're not grown children, but
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: they're not you know, uh toddler small children. Right by
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: this point, they're all like in the teen somewhere along them.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe I think she just went that took nine or ten,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: but still like they are, you're not chasing them around
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: the house all the time. But also, what how you
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: tell your kids that and then you just fuck off
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: like oh okay. Well, so Sarah completely abandoned her household,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: leaving seventeen year old Ashley entirely on her own to
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: play the role of mother, forced to take care of
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: her younger siblings while processing the artificial trauma that her
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: mother was dying of cancer. That's right, she put her
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: own daughter in charge of running a household, taking care
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: of all the kids at seventeen years old. At seventeen,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: that is why you're supposedly dying of cancer. Now.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It is cruel, But I also think the kids probably
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: were a little bit safer with Sarah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: God could be just unfortunate.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: And then that sounds crazy, but it's un Yeah, step
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: up to the role.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a It was.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: A level of emotional abuse and abandonment that cemented our
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: reputation among those who truly knew her as the absolute
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: worst mother ever. And I agree, and I would send
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: her an award for that if I felt like spending
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: a dime on her, and.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I don't so.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: While Ashley was at home keeping the family afloat, Sarah's
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: out in the world, Tightley wrapping her claws around David Bragg,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: ensuring he was way too deeply invested to ever look
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: back or leave her now.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: After leaving her children behind, Sarah and David were busy
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: traveling in the country because you know, esky non exists
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: in brain tumor doesn't exist? Yes, to do now? During
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: those two months away, Sarah focused entirely on winning over
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: David's family. They spent significant time with his mother, Doris Stewart,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: who completely fell for the act. Doris truly believes Sarah
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: was wonderful for her son and that they made a
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: perfect couple. Even David's brother Daniel, who met Sarah over FaceTime.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Thought she seemed incredibly nice, but underneath that pristine, smiling image,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: an all too familiar storm was building.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like when people meet me and they
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: think I'm sweet and quiet.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's ever thought you'd be quiet. Oh.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I hear all the time in my business day persona
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that I'm very quiet. That's why y'all get all the extra.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I like the extra spine. I'll take it. Yeah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: By early twenty seven, after only a few months together,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: David relocated to Garfield, Minnesota for his solar contracting work.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: He was genuinely excited. He saw this beautiful northern landscape
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: as a total fresh start for both of them. Okay,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: he found and he purchased an old historic farmhouse out
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in Douglas County, and he immediately threw himself into renovating
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it with his own hands, working full time while trying
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: to build a future for them. David in double h
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: would so get along.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, Ryan and his siblings were packed up and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: moved north to Minnesota with Sarah, while Ashley, the courageous
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: older sister, she stayed behind in Texas. I don't think
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: there was much of a choice there for the other ones.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Isaac say they didn't have a choice, and shortly after
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the move, David officially proposed, and Sarah said, yes, of
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: course she did. But let's not forget the glaring reality. Okay,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: through this entire world win romance with the ring on
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: her finger and the brand new engagement, sletely and fully
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: married to Chris Donahue.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Guys, mm hmm yeah. Now, once Sarah was firmly entrenched
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: in the Minnesota farmhouse, the mass began to rapidly slip,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: and her classic playbook was deployed all over again. Not
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: long after the couple became engaged, Doris began receiving frantic,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: complaining calls from Sarah. Sarah wasn't calling to gush about
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: wedding planning, No, no, no. Instead, she was furious that
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: David wasn't working fast enough and that the farmhouse renovations
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: weren't being finished quickly enough. Oh okay, cool.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, can she not get off her ass and
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: maybe help? No, she doesn't think it's going fast enough now.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: According to Doris, Sarah openly admitted to aggressively pushing David
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: harder and hotter. Guys, She encouraged him to take ADHD
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: medicine unprescribed to him that allowed him to force himself
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: to work longer hours and move faster. And guys, when
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that wasn't enough, that's right, guys, it wasn't enough, she
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: pushed him to start consuming massive and dangerous amounts of
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: energy drinks just to keep up with her demands. She
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: didn't want him sleeping, she wanted him working his full
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: time job and then spending every single waking hour laboring
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: on their house. That's insaney, worst, she's the word I mean,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that's insanity now.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: David's brother Daniel later noted that even though they were
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: newly engaged, David already didn't seem to have much hope
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: left for the relationship. He was completely running on empty,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: which who wouldn't be.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: He was tired of be unhin packed, and he was
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: probably exhausted mm hm. Now back at home, Doris was
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: starting to notice the terrifying shifts in Sarah's demeanor, particularly
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the way she was treating both David and her own children.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: That super mom mama bear persona vanished, replaced by a
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: woman who was constantly relentlessly yelling at the kids, screaming
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and hindpecking David.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Now, David, true to his gentle nature, didn't push back.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: He didn't challenge her explosive anger. He just gave himself
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: it would finally be enough to satisfy her. Right, you
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: just keep doing and maybe that'll stop it. It spoilers,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: it never stops it. Okay, it's never on you. The
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: problem is with them. But eventually even a good man breaks.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the suffocating control reached a point where David simply
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: couldn't endure it anymore. He called his mother and he
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: told her flat out, I'm done, and quietly, behind the scenes,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: David began making concrete plans to end the relationship for good.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: He called his brother and his father to let them
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: know he was officially breaking up with Sarah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: But the most chilling part of this entire timeline is
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: what David told his father during that final conversation as
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: he prepared to untangle himself from Sarah Hartsfield. David admitted
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: he was terrified. He looked at the volatile reality of
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the woman living under his roof and told his dad
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: flat out that he felt something truly bad was about
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: to happen to him.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: David Bragg he knew he was in danger, but sadly
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: he had no idea how meticulously the trap was already
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: being set, and around May sixth Sarah traveled back down
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: to Texas to visit her daughter Ashley, and after staying
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: for a couple of nights, Sarah prepared to make the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: long drive back up north to Minnesota.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: But before she got into her car, she turned to
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Ashley and delivered a chilling, highly specific instruction that sounded
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: less like a worry on more like a script for
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: what was to come. Sarah told her, quote, if anything
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: happens when I go back to Minnesota and I have
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: to defend myself, called this person and tell them to
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: come pick up the girls. End quote, which is really dominous.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: It's just insane.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, there's my old sight.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Can me goat trophy?
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Jules?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you?
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I think you even know that we're a goat trophy?
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: There is because I am the mass because you missed
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: last night we had goat cam.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I know you're telling me that. Of course, everything amazing
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: happens when I'm gone.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Terry, Hey, when you're gone, I have to, you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: bring out some surprises, because you always bring out the
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: surprises when I'm gone.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: When the Allama's gone, the goats come to play. That's terrible, Lama.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Why did you just say that? Anyway? Guys?
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Ashley was completely blindsided by this random and dark comment. Guys,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: if my mom ever said that to me, I'd be like,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: You're not going anywhere. That's just me. She looked at
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: her mother and asked why, and she told her, I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: don't think anything's going to happen like that. But Sarah
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: doubled down, looking her teenage daughter in the eye and repeating, Well,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: if it does, call them and tell them to come
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: pick up the girls.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't understand why. She thought, Yeah,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: this is a completely normal thing to say, because it's
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: not like at all. But okay. But Ashley simply replied
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: okay and watched as her mother drove away, heading right
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: back to the renovated Minnesota farmhouse she shared with the
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: man who was going back, with a pre written self
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: defense narrative already locked and loaded in her mind. Just
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: three days later, on May ninth, twenty eighteen, the premonition
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: became a reality.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: A frantic nine one one call ripped through Douglas County
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Dispatch Center, reporting a violent domestic disturbance at the isolated
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: brag homestead. As a dispatcher scrambled to relay the information
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: to responding deputies, they noted a critical detail that immediately
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: raised the stakes to a life or death scenario. There
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: was a firearm actively involved.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah so, sirens wailed down the quiet rural roads as
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: officers raced to the scene. When deputies finally up to
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: a farmhouse and approached the interest entrance, the door was open.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Sarah Hartsfeld met them at the threshold, and inside the house,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: her young children were present, trapped in the immediate aftermath
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: of whatever horrors had just unfolded. And there, stretched out
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: on the floor was forty three year old David Bragg. Now,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: why the hell her children are in that house? I
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: can't I can't do. Why would you ever allow to
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: your children in that house?
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Because she was not mom?
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: The worst mom ever? As who Sarah is?
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah so, the man who had spent his life serving
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: as a paramedic in building a future with his own hands,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: was entirely still bleeding out from a fatal gunshot loom.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Sarah's prophecy to her daughter had been in less than
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: seventy two hours, and once again, she is the only
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: one left standing to tell the story.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Oh Sarah, now right there on the bloodstained floor, The
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: narrative begins to split into completely different, irreconcilable versions. Sarah
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Hartsfeld had her self defense scripts ready, but she couldn't
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: seem to keep her lines straight. Oh that's what happens
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: when you're a liar, liar who lies.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Let's say, a liar liar. You need to go and
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: watch the documentary the other missus Jordan, so that we
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: can talk about it. Because he was like in six
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: or seven relationships at one time, and Mary gets different women.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I was to keep track of those lies.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I got that energy for any of this. Are you
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: kidding me? Oh?
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The official version that Sarah fed the law enforcement
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: was simple and calculated. Sarah's told responding officers that David
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: had violently assaulted her, that he had pulled a weapon
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: and fired a gun directly at her, and that she
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: was left with absolutely no choice but to fire back
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: in pure self defense. Lion, bitch, Sorry she is.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: She's in the army, correct, I think that's the branch.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: She's in the military, Like she's still active military. That
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: like it's just really really, I don't know.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: But if she was violently assaulted, where were the bruises?
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Where's all the stuff?
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Where's all the stuff?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Because I mean, I suppose I guess a gunshot could
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: be considered that, but I don't consider it that. But
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: no violent.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: After he attacked her, then he pulled weapons.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: So yeah. Now, when Sarah was away from the badges
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: talking to a close friend, the story took a wildly
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: high detailed turn. In this second version, Sarah claimed that
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: she and David had been in a massive fight and
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: she had decided she was completely done, you know, as
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Sarah does, which is never the case. She allegedly loaded
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: her kids into the car, fully planning to drive all
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the way back to Texas, But then she supposedly realized
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that there were two guns inside the vehicle. Now, Sarah,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: of course, wanting to be responsible, she took them out
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: of the car, slipped one gun into each pocket of
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: her sweater, and walked back inside the farmhouse to leave
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: them behind. I guess I don't understand why any two guns?
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: What are we like? What are you doing? I.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: As a person who lives in Texas and owns a gun,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: why do you have two guns in your car. You
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: have one, and.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: She's also military like trained to use like you would
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: be pretty cool.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do appreciate that she took them inside
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and didn't leave them with the children, but I don't
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: think she did it for the children.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, according to this version, Okay, when she stepped
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: back through the door, she saw David and immediately pulled
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: out one of the guns just for protection, because you know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: bless her heart, she was scared a violent struggle insured
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and she claimed David managed to wrench control of that
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: first weapon away from her and fired it right at her. Okay,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and Sarah said, she instantly dropped to the gown ground,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: and then that split second remembered a second gun in
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: my other pocket.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I forget when there's guns in my pockets all the time.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Oh ooh, I didn't know this giant weapon that was
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: in my pocket.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: What Yeah, And without even looking, she pulled it out
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: that blindly, raised her arm up and began frantically firing
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: behind her until she completely emptied the weapon. Okay, guys,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just tell you you're not gonna hit I mean,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: you might hit something, but that's.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, suspicious to me. But don't worry, guys, Sarah wasn't
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: done spending the wheel. Oh no, because there is a
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: third version of that night, as one would expect, the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: one where she told her own son Ryan. Now, in
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: this narrative, the layout of the house became the state
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: for her. She told Ryan she had gone back to
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: the home specifically to grab clothes for his sisters. She
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: claimed David was in a blinding jealous rage because she
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: was leaving him to go back to her ex husband, Chris,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: who had supposedly surprised their daughter by flying in all
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: the way from South Korea, Which doesn't make any sense.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: What are you saying? Like, okay, okay again, So why
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: are you talking to your child about this? I'm sorry,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: but like I don't like because Ryan, he is the
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: youngest of all the siblings, so he is. I don't
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: remember when they were born because it's been a few weeks,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: but I want to say he's probably between nine and
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: eleven twelve.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember, but he was a very child
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that she had abused the most too.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I wonder why.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: So Sarah told her son Ryan that she was walking
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: back down on the stairs when David suddenly fired a
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: gun at her, She claimed she instantly dropped to the steps,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: pulled out her second gun, reached her arm completely over
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: the star railing, and fired from that angle.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Once again.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Sarah claimed she fired entirely blindly and never aimed the weapon.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Bullshit. Now, we have three completely different versions, three separate
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: geometric layouts of the shooting, but they all led to
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: the exact same tragic ending, David Bragg lying dead on
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: the floor, killed by the woman he had once loved
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: and trusted.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: And despite these three wildly conflicting versions of what happened
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: on that staircase, the wills of justice in Minnesota ground
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: to a sudden halt. In February twenty nineteen, the Douglas
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: County Attorney's Office officially announced that no criminal charges would
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: be fouled against Sarah and that David Bragg's death was
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: formally ruled a justifiable act of self defense.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Bullshit, what the fuck away? That really does surprise me,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: because I want, I guess I want to know more
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: about this crime scene, like where were the bull of fragment?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Like there's a lot going on here in all of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: these stories. Would I would like to know more of
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: how they initially came to that was it because she's
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: a vet.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: So they were like, oh, okay, six nights, and so
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: she can manipulate men, and men they all seem to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: fall for her. She has some kind of pheromones that
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I do not know how happened. Oh my god, Mayor.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I was just sitting here thinking, oh shit, I don't
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: see Mary. Should we message her? In the discord?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I think she was watched her big brother. So I'm
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: glad because she.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Really wanted to know this.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: So that's okay.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: You can always go back and replay it, okay now.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Sarah unsurprisingly was pleased with this outcome. She even gloated
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: to a friend that she believed the police never once
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: suspected foul play, laughing it off by claiming they hadn't
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: really even investigated, as one does.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, in fairness, sometimes cops don't investigate.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that's true.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: That was entirely false in this case. Law enforcement had
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: investigated the shooting for months, and Douglas County Attorney Chadler
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: ultimately cited concrete, ballistic and forensic evidence left behind on
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: the staircase as the exact reason charges were declined, stating
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: the physical evidence cooperated Sarah's story and that David had
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: discharged his firearm in close proximity to her.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I still have questions I now tragically David's graving mother,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Doris stood firmly by Sarah at the time. She believed her,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: or at least believed some version of the nightmare she
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: was told. Doris knew all too well that the relationship
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: had been deeply strained and that the arguments had been constant.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: She knew the immense pressure her son had been undertaking
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: ADHD medication and consuming excessive energy drinks to keep up
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: with Sarah's relentless demands on the house. Now this, this
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: is kind of a little bit like, oh gosh, what
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: are they triangulation? Triangulation right, where like she by contacting
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: his mom constantly, She's taking She's saying, hey, I have
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: more to We have a better relationship than like you
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: and your own son. It's a very common ploy from abusers.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: You go to their closest confidant and you just dump
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: all this stuff on them that you possibly can to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: make the other person look bad, even if it's their
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: own mother.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Right, and guys taking ADHD or add medication, you're not
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: prescribed it. You're basically doing speed. Yeah, and you're not
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: going to sleep? People would they like me. I can
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: take the legal script and I could go right to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: bed because it doesn't have that effect on me. But
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: then I take benadryl, lama would be out for a day.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Bendreel does not affect me at all.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Oh it doesn't. See it makes me stay up.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: No, doubleh takes it.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: In twenty minutes, he has snoring like a baby.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: But even Sarah's son Ryan initially believed as a mother's
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: account for survival. Yet as Sarah walked away from a
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: smoking gun, completely untouched by the law, her best was
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: still waiting for her.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Now. By this point, in early twenty nineteen, Sarah and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Chris were still almost divorce. Yep, you heard that. Right
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: through the two year affair, the engagement to David, and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: the fatal shooting in Minnesota, she was still legally married
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: to Chris Donahoe. Yeah, how do you have time for
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: all of this? I don't know.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I I don't know.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: If there is one definitive thing this story has shown
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: us so far is that endings with Sarah rarely stay finished. Okay,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Ashley would later reveal as stending detail. Even while Sarah
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: was actively engaged to David Bragg in living in Minnesota,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: she was still in constant contact with Chris. She was
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: aggressively trying to pull her husband right back into her web,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: entirely refusing to let go. She didn't care that Chris
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: had finally moved on with his life and started seeing
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: someone else. She relentlessly kept clawing at him anyway.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Now, because for Sarah Hartsfield, letting go was never part
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: of the pattern. She survived the fire and Surrey, she
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: survived the ruins of Brian's home, and now she has
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: successfully survived killing a man. She was completely untethered, completely emboldened,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: and ready to find her fit and final husband. That's it, guys.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of episode four, but
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: not the end of Sarah's insanity, because Sarah has walked
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: out of a Minnesota police precinct with a dead fiance
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: behind her, zero charges or accountability, and the ultimate realization
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: that she could pull a trigger and the system would
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: back her up. But her trail of destruction was far
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: from over.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Now next time on True Crime and Wine Time, we
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: are diving into the hidden years between the Smoke of
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Minnesota and the final fatal headline. We're tracking the era
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: of David George, the man who had become husband Number four.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah four, pour, Yes, Mary, Her and William Allow and
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Jordans should have gotten together. Okay, now we're blowing the
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: doors off this timeline to discuss the chaos of twenty nineteen,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: an era defined by men everywhere. Okay, it was raining
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: men as Sarah juggled multiple targets while still wrapping up
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: her legal ties to the past. We're going to track
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: the whirlwind speed at which George and Sarah officially get married,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: stepping straight into a trap disguised as a sanctuary.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: But the past refuses to stay buried. We're going back
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: into the courtroom to unpas the brutal custody war with
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Chris Donahue, a battle where the mask finally fractures completely
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: because the children have secrets, secrets they are finally ready
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: to tell investigators and guys.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: We're going to expose the terrifying details of the chilling
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: murder plan. The sparks a brand new investigation, leading to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: the sudden chaotic exit of how has been Number four? Okay,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: bye George, And just when you think she's run out
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: of moves, a new man walks into the frame, a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: man who has no idea.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: These days are numbered right. The stage is set for
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: the final not astrophic collision, so be sure they grab
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: a fresh bottle of wine, because next week, Sarah Hartsfield
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: meets the man who helps bring the FBI right to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: her doorstep. And it's a good one. It's good.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, and I know this story, and I'm still like, oh,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I can't wait.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, as if that wasn't enough, No, I mean.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Three are sins, a dead guy and still no charges. Guys,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: she is thinking she is teflon.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: We still have five more episodes to go, so.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so bad. I cannot wait until next week. And guys, Mary,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: go back and watch the rest so that you're all
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: caught up.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: That's true. There won't be Couch Court in the morning,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: so you can. I'll be back in the afternoon with Terry.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: So yes, now, before we go, If you like what
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: you've heard tonight, be sure to follow all of our
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: socials and subscribe to our True Crime and Wine Time channel,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: as well as Couch Court with Lama, because it's free,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: and if you're listening to our pods, please download, give
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: us a rating. All of that it helps us tremendously
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: in getting our channel out there.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I heard all the cool kids were doing it, so Peter,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I did too.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: But yes, and tomorrow we're going live at two eastern for.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Murdal Yes, the murder hearing in the morning. We are
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: going to watch it in the afternoon. I hear it's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: going to be track full of a lot of things.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited about it. So I'll be Keevian and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: I in the mornings on it. But we'll be back
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: at two pm Eastern right here on True Crime and
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Wine time.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Were Mary she sold you that story that the cool
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: kids watch Big Brother? And then Lama, how much of
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Big Brother have you watched this season in.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: The last two weeks? Barely? Any barely?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: So so you're not anymore?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: I know. I feel like I'm not a cool guy anymore.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: I know I'm out of the loop. Am I still
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: number one? Though? In our fantasy league? I hope? So
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what to go none, But I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: was like number one.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, exactly, Mary, not having powers no
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: excuse it as look at your phone. Now I'm gonna
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: go watch it now after this, before we sign off tonight,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I need to do something. I'm almost like, what is
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: she doing? I need to tell my oldest son, JEFFA,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: happy thirty fifth birthday. Today's Jeffy's birthday today? No way,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: ye see it on replay because he is out having
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: dinner with friends in La.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Jeffa. Congrats thirty five. It's a big one.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it makes mom feel old.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, but you have two it's thirty five,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: so oh wow.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Just needed to just needed to tell him happy birthday
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: and give him a little shout out. And as I
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: want to say, thank you all for being here, Lama,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: thank you for being back. And I'm glad you're safe,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad you're back, and part of me is
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: kind of glad you didn't have power, because if you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: just didn't have the ability to work, there is no
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: tell them what you were to come back with for us.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Too many things that shouldn't be left alone out it's
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: nothing but my brain. Do you think you followed us out? Yes? Yes,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: thank you all for being here with us tonight. Don't
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: forget next Thursday. A pm Eastern right here on YouTube
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: with True Crime and Wine time, we will be recording
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: the next episode of Sarah Hartsfeld. Or if you're listening
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: to this far in the future, we're probably still here
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: recording something else, so please go subscribe there. Thank you
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: all for being back on. Sorry it was such a chatterbox,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: but being left by yourself, well not by myself. I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: had Elba feet and little Lama hair, but you guys,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: it's pretty much the same. And I'm just I know
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: I talked a lot, but I'm just excited to talk
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: to other human beings. So anyway, until next time, my friends,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: as I always say, go forth and be amazing. Bye guys,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Bye gye m hm.