143. Leadership Isn't Complicated. It's Hard. with Julia Rock

Your Next Move Podcast · Sep 23, 2026 · 47m

Leadership often gets dressed up as titles, retreats, assessments, and perks. But Julia Rock, author of Uncomplicated Leadership, argues that the real work happens in how you show up for the people you lead. In this conversation, Julia and I talk about why relationships matter, why leadership training can fall flat without follow-through, and what managers need to understand about the people on their teams. We also get into the rise of corporate creators and the risks employees should consider before building a public brand while working a 9-to-5.

In this episode:

Why leadership is hard even…