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Brian Thomas spends a full hour with Private Citizen Brad Wenstrup · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas here, talking with a congressman, former congressman. I
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  Speaker 1: always like to say congressman still. Brad Winstrup. He's still
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  Speaker 1: a doctor. He's a citizen, and he's in studio. It's 7-0-6.
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  Speaker 1: F85 Care CD Talk Station. It's great to see you,
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  Speaker 1: my friend. Good to see you, too, Brian. And you're
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  Speaker 1: not retired. You haven't faded away. Oh, I have not.
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I'm finding myself getting extremely busy,
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  Speaker 2: and in a good way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of consulting, and mostly it's in national security issues,
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  Speaker 2: supply chain issues, and health issues.
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  Speaker 1: Health. And we do want to talk about that. I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about that right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sitting on the President's Intelligence Advisory Board, and
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  Speaker 2: cat's out of the bag because CNN reported it, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they know.
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  Speaker 1: But I had been.
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  Speaker 2: Offered to be FDA director, but I felt like I
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  Speaker 2: was able to do a lot more and more broadspin.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to be pigeonholed. And not only that,
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  Speaker 2: the reason I left Congress is to be home, to
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  Speaker 2: be a father to my children and a husband to
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  Speaker 2: my wife.
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  Speaker 1: You might find yourself a little bit busier than you
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  Speaker 1: were as a congressman being the director of the FDA.
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  Speaker 2: Probably so, but they're also reaching out to me for
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  Speaker 2: a variety of things to be engaged on the rural
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  Speaker 2: health issues. And national security issues involving health and pharmaceuticals,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. So I'm happy with that. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: all stuff that's in my lane. You say former congressman,
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  Speaker 2: retired colonel. and still a licensed physician.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to give you credit. You need to
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  Speaker 1: maintain your license. Which was interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be doing admissions interviews for Xavier's new
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  Speaker 2: med school starting next week. Okay. Yeah, so that's going
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  Speaker 2: to be an exciting thing. So I'm pretty content with
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  Speaker 2: the things that I'm able to do and still be
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  Speaker 2: able to, coach basketball and baseball for my kids. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they're still young, but they're back in school and
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  Speaker 1: you've got lots to do in your role with the
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  Speaker 1: Americans for Health Excellence. Let's talk about that a little bit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that's something that came along in the past year.
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  Speaker 2: And I was asked to be director of that. And
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  Speaker 2: it's really a patient-centered group. And really what we're focusing
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  Speaker 2: on is health policies that benefit patients. And that includes affordability, accessibility,
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  Speaker 2: quality of healthcare. And, you know, we're paying attention to
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  Speaker 2: the value of the healthy human life. You know, this
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  Speaker 2: is something that I always fought in DC sitting on
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  Speaker 2: ways and means committee. It's like, when are you going
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  Speaker 2: to give any value to that? And let me give
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  Speaker 2: you an example. And I probably use this on, on
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  Speaker 2: this show before is, you know, we get a cure
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  Speaker 2: for hepatitis C, uh, which is pretty debilitating for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people. And the immediate response in DC is
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  Speaker 2: what's that going to cost? Well, what does a liver
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  Speaker 2: transplant cost? Because that's your only other cure. And so
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  Speaker 2: the return on investment is huge because now you have
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  Speaker 2: healthy people that can go to work and that can
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  Speaker 2: contribute to society and be part of the American dream
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  Speaker 2: and not be hospitalized and go through all these things
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  Speaker 2: as a result of that. And the benefit is great.
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  Speaker 2: And as I said on Ways and Means Committee more
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  Speaker 2: than once, and when you have that healthy human being
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  Speaker 2: and they're out there working and paying taxes and That's
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  Speaker 2: more money you can get your grubby little hands on. Well,
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  Speaker 2: and isn't that the problem with the medicine, generally speaking?
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  Speaker 2: You as a doctor and we as the patients, it's
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  Speaker 2: a reactive thing.
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  Speaker 1: We go throughout our life and eat crappy food and
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  Speaker 1: don't take care of ourselves, don't exercise. And listen, I
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  Speaker 1: can look in the mirror and say the same thing
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  Speaker 1: about myself a lot. And I've tried to correct my ways,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm 60 now, and it's only in the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years that I've endeavored to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the additives and preservatives and sugars and all the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that we found out is so unbelievably, horrifically bad for us.
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  Speaker 1: And you look back at the food pyramid, JFK Jr.
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  Speaker 1: did brilliance in changing that for decades and decades. We
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  Speaker 1: were stuffing ourselves with carbs because they told us that
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  Speaker 1: we should. So we allowed ourselves to get sick. And
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  Speaker 1: then once you're sick, you got all these pharmaceuticals and
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  Speaker 1: all these reactive things to do that are so damn costly.
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  Speaker 1: If we can get ahead of it and send people... Right.
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  Speaker 1: Send people down a healthy path, working with our physicians
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  Speaker 1: who no longer are trying to peddle a pharmaceutical, but
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  Speaker 1: trying to get us on the road to avoiding those things.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit of money up front can eradicate thousands,
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  Speaker 1: millions of billions of dollars in care down the road
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  Speaker 1: when you're sick.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why we advocate for, you know, what what
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  Speaker 2: more can we do for prevention and what more can
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  Speaker 2: we do for early diagnosis and treatment and those types
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  Speaker 2: of things? And we're focused on pocketbook solutions, too, because
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  Speaker 2: that's a big driver. And there's so much that we
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  Speaker 2: have learned through polls, et cetera, what's popular. And I
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  Speaker 2: say this because we're going into election season, right? True.
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  Speaker 2: And so what are some of the things that are
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  Speaker 2: out there that we have tried to get through? And
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. Marionette Miller-Meeks of Iowa, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Marionette Miller-Meeks. She's a congresswoman from Iowa. She has the
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  Speaker 2: Prices on the Wall Act, right?
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  Speaker 1: Post your prices.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So this is for hospitals, surgery centers, imaging centers, labs. Now,
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  Speaker 2: some of them do that.
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  Speaker 1: LabCorp. Yeah. I mean, some of them. Who's the imaging department? ProScan. ProScan.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one I was thinking of. They're very good
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  Speaker 1: about that. Ask them. Call them up. How much is
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  Speaker 1: an MRI? They'll tell you. Yeah. Do that with a hospital.
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  Speaker 2: And they'll also say, if you run it through your insurance,
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  Speaker 2: here's what it's going to cost. It'll probably cost you more.
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, that's one of the things that she has
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  Speaker 2: out there. And she's gotten this through committee. But the
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  Speaker 2: interesting thing is every Democrat voted against that.
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Good question. They don't ever articulate the reason why they're
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  Speaker 1: against something like that, which is the benefit for all
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  Speaker 1: American consumers of health care. They can't explain it. They
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  Speaker 1: can't explain it. But because it's a Republican idea, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, you look at things, too. We like
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  Speaker 2: what Trump Rx has done. And when you have an
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  Speaker 2: entity such as that, they can tell you, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: can get your prescription for a lot less.
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  Speaker 1: But Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Greg Murphy in Congress, one of my close friends, he
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  Speaker 2: has a bill that says if you pay cash, that
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  Speaker 2: that should be able to be applied to your deductible.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Because you're doing it outside of the system where they
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  Speaker 2: might own the pharmacy and everything else, you're getting it
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  Speaker 2: for less, yet should be able to go toward your deductible.
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  Speaker 1: And Why is it not going toward your deductible?
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  Speaker 2: Because you didn't run it through your insurance. You got
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  Speaker 2: it outside of that, but you got it for less
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  Speaker 2: than what your insurance would cost you.
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  Speaker 1: Right, which benefits the insurance company. You got it for
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  Speaker 1: less than your copay. And there's things too.
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  Speaker 2: Manufacturers offer copay capability, give you a credit card for
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  Speaker 2: your copay for certain drugs, especially if.
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  Speaker 1: You are in need.
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  Speaker 2: And that's... apparently not allowed right now. So we want
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  Speaker 2: to make those types of things allowed. It's all for
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  Speaker 2: the benefit of patients so that they're able to actually
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  Speaker 2: get what they need to be healthy and to be
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  Speaker 2: maybe even with a chronic disease, have a better quality
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  Speaker 2: of life. So we did these polls and these things
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  Speaker 2: are popular amongst Republicans, Democrats, and Independents, but it's only
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  Speaker 2: Republicans that are acting on them. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're advising and I've been out talking to candidates and saying,
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  Speaker 2: you need to run on this. These are popular with
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  Speaker 2: all people because everyone has experienced the thing. And I
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  Speaker 2: will tell you what was very interesting. The number one
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  Speaker 2: concern in health care across the board was the cost
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  Speaker 2: of their insurance. And you're paying a lot for that insurance.
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  Speaker 2: But then what are you getting? Delays, denials of care,
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  Speaker 2: all of those things.
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  Speaker 1: It's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And people are recognizing it. And it's good because actions
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  Speaker 2: are starting to be taken. And it's good to see
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  Speaker 2: that the American public, maybe not some politicians, But the
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  Speaker 2: American public is realizing the insurance companies are a big
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  Speaker 2: part of the problem that we have in our health
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  Speaker 2: care system.
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  Speaker 1: Today and the government. I think that's the biggest problem. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's it's becoming apparent.
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  Speaker 2: And I think there's some good news, you know, around
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  Speaker 2: the corner with the public realizing this. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: see Democrats right now they're running on Medicare for all
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  Speaker 2: and complaining that Republicans didn't subsidize the insurance companies for
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  Speaker 2: the Affordable Care Act. which clearly is an unaffordable care
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  Speaker 2: act or you wouldn't need the subsidies. It doesn't make
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  Speaker 2: any sense, but people, I hope, are understanding this.
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  Speaker 1: I thought we were keeping our doctor and it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be $ 2, 500 less under Obamacare. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So none of that proved to be true. It's proven
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  Speaker 2: to be the unaffordable health care plan.
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  Speaker 1: $ 12, 000 out-of-pocket liability before the insurance kicks in. $ 24, 000 under
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  Speaker 1: Obamacare for a family before the insurance works. How's that
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  Speaker 1: working out for the American public?
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  Speaker 2: Put the decisions into the hands of the patient and
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  Speaker 2: their doctor on what they need and also how they
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  Speaker 2: spend their money and where the dollars are going. That
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  Speaker 2: makes a whole lot more sense.
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  Speaker 1: And more on this topic, most notably your reference to
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  Speaker 1: the national security realities of our American health. We've got
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  Speaker 1: lots to go over with. Citizen... Dr. Brad Wenstrup. Don't
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  Speaker 1: go away. Be right back. 55KRCD Station. 719, coming up
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  Speaker 1: at 720, 55KRCD Talk Station. Our power with private citizen Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Brad Wenstrup. He proudly served his country in America's military,
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  Speaker 1: served in Congress, and he's still serving his country on
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  Speaker 1: the Americans for Health Excellence panel. and other areas of
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  Speaker 1: government where he's helping to direct health policy. Former Congressman,
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  Speaker 1: you had commented to me and then briefly referenced it
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  Speaker 1: on the air in the first segment about health being
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  Speaker 1: a national security problem for us. And I immediately thought
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  Speaker 1: of and mentioned out loud, he doesn't bring it up now,
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  Speaker 1: as a component of that. where I read only one
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  Speaker 1: in 10 military-aged young people can actually qualify to serve
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  Speaker 1: in American military, either because of drug use, obesity, physical limitations.
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  Speaker 1: So 10%, but of which only 1% or 2% even serves.
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  Speaker 1: So the pull from which we could even draw is
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  Speaker 1: extraordinarily limited because young people aren't healthy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just did an event in D.C. where I
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  Speaker 2: moderated the event, and it was with Cincinnati Children's. And
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about pediatric health, obviously, and we can
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  Speaker 2: get into what we're doing with SNAP and a variety
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  Speaker 2: of things. It's so multifaceted. But one of the people
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  Speaker 2: there was General McChrystal. And he was talking about what
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  Speaker 2: I've been talking about for several years with our military.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm a retired soldier in our military, unable
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  Speaker 2: to recruit because of the numbers you just referenced. And
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  Speaker 2: people aren't healthy enough to actually put on the uniform. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's the importance of us being able to
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  Speaker 2: maintain the health of the troops that we do have,
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  Speaker 2: but also to have a youth that is capable of serving.
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  Speaker 1: And the obesity is a problem. Capability is one critical component.
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  Speaker 1: Desire to serve is the other one. And we need
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  Speaker 1: a boost of patriotism in this country. We could probably
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  Speaker 1: go on for days about the school systems. But go
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  Speaker 1: back to the point.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's quite right.
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  Speaker 2: But what I also looked at is in serving Congress,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at these numbers that show that we were
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  Speaker 2: losing over 100,000 a year. to overdoses between 18 and
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  Speaker 2: 45 years old. That's the military age, right? 18 to
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  Speaker 2: 45 is the military age, and we're losing them over
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  Speaker 2: 100,000 years.
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  Speaker 1: Now, those numbers are going down. Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because we stopped the flow of fentanyl, and we've stopped
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  Speaker 2: the flow. And not only that, we stopped the flow
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  Speaker 2: of diseases coming into our country. with some of this.
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  Speaker 1: Where do the measles come from then, former Congressman Brad?
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  Speaker 1: I'll just call you Brad. That'd make it easier. But
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  Speaker 1: we went for years and years and years. No one
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  Speaker 1: ever had measles. And I'll go ahead and give vaccines
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  Speaker 1: perhaps credit for that. But when you're living in a
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  Speaker 1: country that no longer was exposed to measles, you might
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  Speaker 1: be able to go down the road of, well, do
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  Speaker 1: I really even need a measles vaccine? Well, enter 10
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  Speaker 1: to 20 million people from abroad who did not have
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  Speaker 1: a vaccine for it and probably brought in measles with them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as a doctor's caucus, we went down to the border.
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  Speaker 2: I went there several times for a variety of reasons,
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  Speaker 2: as you might understand, with the roles that I had
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  Speaker 2: in Congress. But we took a troop specifically as the
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  Speaker 2: doctor's caucus. And this was a real problem. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you have to screen people for all of these things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can remember someone coming to me and saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's terrible. They have these patients sitting, or patients,
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  Speaker 2: they have these people coming in and they're sleeping on mats.
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  Speaker 2: I said, well, first of all, that's the best thing
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  Speaker 2: that they've had in months because they've been driven through
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  Speaker 2: Mexico via the cartels who they're paying. And don't forget
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  Speaker 2: the abuses of the cartels. But nonetheless, they're sleeping on
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  Speaker 2: mats because we can clean those. And people are coming
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  Speaker 2: in with scabies and lice and tuberculosis and bedbugs. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's all of these things. But the good news is,
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  Speaker 2: and such a timely article today in the Wall Street Journal. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That I wanted to come in here and talk to
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  Speaker 1: you about all this. You're living longer, Americans. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: had that one printed from when I was preparing for
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  Speaker 1: the program today. Awesome. Great minds think alike. Capitalism and
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  Speaker 1: pharma are delivering cures that increase life expectancy. American ingenuity
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  Speaker 1: in the pharmaceutical and medical field.
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  Speaker 2: And we want to be the leaders in that. We
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  Speaker 2: want the United States to be the leaders in that.
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  Speaker 2: We are saving lives. We are leading the world. Cancer's
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  Speaker 2: You know, lifespan. I call it healthspan. It's not just
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  Speaker 2: your lifespan. It's you can live healthier.
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  Speaker 1: Quality of life. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And these are the things that we're able to do
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  Speaker 2: through capitalism. That doesn't happen in the other systems.
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  Speaker 1: No, they wait around for us to develop the cures
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  Speaker 1: and the treatments, and then they glom on and get
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  Speaker 1: them for less than we pay. How's that working out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's something that the Trump administration has
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  Speaker 2: been doing. So Jody Arrington on Ways and Means Committee,
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine, he has a bill called USTRX, and
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  Speaker 2: it allows for a negotiator to go into these other
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  Speaker 2: countries and say, you're not going to get them for
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  Speaker 2: less than Americans have to pay. Because what we're trying
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  Speaker 2: to do, and it's starting to happen, is Americans can
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  Speaker 2: pay less when the others pay more. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: cost to develop these drugs doesn't go away. And I
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  Speaker 2: know there's always that fine line between You know, developing
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  Speaker 2: a drug, the cost that goes into research and development,
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  Speaker 2: and then the profits that come with that. And that
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  Speaker 2: is something we always need to keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 2: And I get that component of things. But you can't
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  Speaker 2: be out there just criticizing everybody who ever develops a
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  Speaker 2: drug that's successful.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. Listen, man, I'm probably still alive because of
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  Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical companies. You know, there is no question about
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  Speaker 1: it that they do some wonderful things for society. It's
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  Speaker 1: just maybe we've got a business model problem. There needs
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  Speaker 1: to be some balance in there, perhaps. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We have a lot more to go over with Brad.
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  Speaker 1: Former Congressman, private citizen, Brad Wenster. We'll continue for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of this hour. Don't go away. I've always thought
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  Speaker 1: RFK Jr. is kind of a weird guy, but I
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  Speaker 1: love what he is doing in terms of raising awareness
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  Speaker 1: about health. And I talked about this the other day.
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  Speaker 1: It was reported. You mentioned you got another Wall Street
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  Speaker 1: Journal article you want to mention and dovetailing nicely with
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  Speaker 1: the you're living longer Americans point you just made in
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  Speaker 1: the last segment. But the idea that we become aware
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  Speaker 1: now that the harm that sugar does, processed corn syrup,
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  Speaker 1: refined sugar, it's in literally everything. This SNAP benefit restriction,
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  Speaker 1: They allowed states to finally give them an option to
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  Speaker 1: limit crappy food from available SNAP qualifications. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's nutrition assistance. A Coca-Cola or a Mountain Dew is
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  Speaker 1: not nutritious. It has nothing by way of nutritional value.
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  Speaker 1: And that it was ever available to buy under the
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  Speaker 1: SNAP program is mind-boggling to me. But the states that
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  Speaker 1: were taking off these sodas and the sugary products... saw
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  Speaker 1: a precipitous drop in the amount of consumed sodas and
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  Speaker 1: sugary beverages. And bad food. Welcome to a government program
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  Speaker 1: actually doing something good for the recipients of the benefits.
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  Speaker 1: Which it was intended to do.
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  Speaker 2: I will tell you some of the responses I would
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  Speaker 2: get from the other side of the aisle over the
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  Speaker 2: years when talking about this issue, which I'm grateful that
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  Speaker 2: this secretary is doing something about it. They would say, well,
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  Speaker 2: rich people get to buy bad food. I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and rich people are paying for their own health care.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: If they want to do that, they're going to pay
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: the piper.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like any other service from government.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: As Kennedy said, I moderated an event with him in Cleveland.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: HHS called and said, can you get up to Cleveland
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and do this? And it was he and I one-on-one
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: and then questions from the audience. But he said, look,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and this is basically true. He goes, we are paying–
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: To make our people sick.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: And he pointed out that in 1962, when was his
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: uncle elected president?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: 60? 60.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: 60. He said, when my uncle was elected president of
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the United States, we were the healthiest nation in the world.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: He said, now we're the sickest. And why should that be?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: You know, we've done it to ourselves in so many ways.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And I will say this, our doctor's caucus... You know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: before he came out and said, make America healthy again,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: we were saying, these are the things we want to
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: implement to be the healthiest nation on the planet.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Go back to being the healthiest nation on the planet.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: We had it once.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: And I was calling it the healthiest nation on earth. And,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and my wife said, why don't you use the word planet?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Because the left really likes the word planet and maybe
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: they'll pay attention.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: To what you're saying. Yeah, exactly.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: You know, so, um, He is doing a lot of
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: things that just really needed to be done. They're common
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: sense things. And, you know, look, we're allowed to make mistakes.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: We're allowed to make mistakes. We're a country that gets
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: to mend our flaws. Let's do that. It's obvious what
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: the problem is. So let's do that. And it's obvious
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: why it needs to be done in so many ways. So,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: you know, we segue into that other article. Now you
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: have people dying for Medicare for all.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Why? You know, basically, if we have Medicare for all,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: it's like we have Medicaid.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: And Medicaid has the highest mortality and morbidity and the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: least access to care. And I like what this article says,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: what has taken place within Medicaid and Medicare when it
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: comes safe to treating your cancer. It says, across five categories.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Medicaid beneficiaries were between 11% and 42% more likely than
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: private and insured patients to wait more than a month
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: for treatment. Cancer treatment can't wait. This is what happens.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: It's a frustration for doctors, frustration for patients.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: You know what? I was quickly going to say rationing. care,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: but it's actually rationing life, isn't it? Yeah, there's a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: savings to people dying. And again, Maureen, good morning. I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: know you're listening. She believes a driver of a whole
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: lot of these nefarious actions is population control. She brings
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: it up all the time. And I'm not going to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: say there's a direct line from Medicare for all or Medicaid,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: which would be the reality of it, to that. But
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the practical reality is more people will die because of
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the rationing of care. I mean, isn't that true? Whether
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that's the design, it is a fact. It shouldn't be.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: You're talking maybe with the elderly that are on Social Security,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: but at the same time, it's going to take American
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: youth and people producing more than 1.5 children per couple.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: To pay into Social Security. So you've got that, too.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: No, they're just going to reduce the benefits people get
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: under Social Security by 25 percent or so. And that's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: looming within the next five years, if I recall correctly.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Do you think there'll be a solution out of Congress
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to nip that in the bud and write the Social
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Security ship? Or are we destined to have a significant
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: cut in benefits going out to the seniors?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It'll probably happen at the last minute. I mean, the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: former well, the ranking member for Social Security on Ways
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and Means Committee said, one time, you know, he was
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: ranting about, we got to fix it, we got to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: fix it. And I said to him, well, you were
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: in charge when you had the House, Senate, and the
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: White House. You were in charge of Social Security. And
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I said, why didn't you do that then? And he said, well,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: we were too focused on the Affordable Care Act. Well,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: thank you very much for that disaster, too. I mean,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: politics is a crazy business. But look, we're talking about
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: some of the positive things that are taking place here.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And that's a good thing. And we need to make
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the American people understand who is driving that. And going
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: into the election, I can tell you it's Republicans that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: are driving these changes that are good for America, good
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: for the next generation, which to me was always important.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: What effect are we having on the next generation? And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it better be positive. And it's something that they might
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: say thank you for.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Got a couple more segments with Brad Winstrup in the studio.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Don't go away. Got lots to talk about. 55KRC, the
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: talk station. No required... 40 here, 55KRC, the talk station.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Very happy Friday to you. Brad Thomas with Brad Wenstrup
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: in the studio. Dwelling on health and how important it is.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Good morning, John Grywe. John said hello. Fellow fraternity brother.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Brad and I separated by quite a few years. We
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: didn't attend school at the exact same time, but both
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: belong to the same fraternity. I would say I have
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the greatest listening audience in radio, and of course, John
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is an illustration of that right there. Smart man and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: a good man he is, and You wanted to pivot
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: over to a great contrast. Healthcare during COVID as contrasted
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: with appropriate healthcare and what we should have. So we
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: got all these lords and masters, these distant so-called learned
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: folks telling us what we need to do and screaming
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: at everybody for violating the science or ignoring the science,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: depriving practitioners of their diagnostic abilities, their ability to direct
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the health care of the patient that's sitting right in
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: front of them in the room, and applying this one-size-fits-all
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: crap to everybody, which included telling pharmacies what they could
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: fill and could not fill by way of prescriptions. Go ahead,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: take the ball and run with it from there, Brad.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one of the things I said before COVID,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and I said this on Ways and Means many times,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: is we need to hear more from the people wearing
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the white coats, not the ones who were writing the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: white papers.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Not the people.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I got asked at one point, like, for... a health
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: position within our federal government. They said, what should we
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: be looking for from that person? And we'll just take,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: for example, if it was CDC. And I said, well,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: why don't you get someone that's actually treated patients, especially
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: one that's maybe treated infectious disease.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Isn't that part of the job qualification?
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and more important, someone who's actually had to stand
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: over patients when there was nothing they could do.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Ooh. You know, because that's somebody who's going to get it. Right.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Someone who's had that feeling and have that person be
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: someone who knew how to talk to that family or
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: knew how to talk to the American public. That is
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: what we need in our public health system today is
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: people that can that can do that. And, you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: what I said during COVID over and over again was
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: we need to be hearing from the doctors treating COVID patients,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: not not the politicians and not the person in the lab.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: but someone who's actually there. Imagine the difference, someone coming out,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: pulling down the mask to a bank of microphones saying,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: here's what I saw today. Here's who's dying. Here's who's not.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Here's what's working. Here's what's not. We're having some success
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: with ivermectin. Instead, we had someone who's not treating patients saying,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you can't use that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Don't use it. And instructing pharmacies they couldn't fill the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: damn prescription. Yeah. That, That was a bridge too blank
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and far for me. But here's another thing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: We need to make sure, and it's part of the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: recommendations that we have after I chaired the Pandemic Committee,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: we need to be able to get accurate data to
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: providers and let the doctor-patient relationship flourish. And I've spoken
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: at med school graduations and white coat ceremonies, and I've
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: related something that I find to be very true, found
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: in my practice always. There's nothing that can replace... The
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: pat on the back or the holding of someone's hand
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and looking them in the eye and saying, I'm going
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to do everything I can to help you.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: AI can't do that. AI can be helpful.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: AI can't do that. So, you know, this is not
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: just a transaction at a drugstore counter. This is a
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: human-to-human transaction that it's important that it's carried out properly.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And those are some of the things that we have
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to keep stressing in health care. This is between you
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and your doctor. You said it's not a blanket thing.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I'm all in favor of CDC making recommendations based on
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the sciences. They know it and things like that. But
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: what it comes down to with what patients get is
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: the doctor and the patient discussing what we know, what
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: we don't know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: You're healthy.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Like, for example, our pediatrician said to my kids, They're
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: healthy kids. And you know, there's a good chance they
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: probably had COVID. I'm not going to check.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Them for antibodies, but they probably had COVID.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I don't believe they need the COVID-19 vaccine.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I just want to recall the other day, but a
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: doctor lost her license because she talked about natural immunity
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and also did an ivermectin prescription, but was a little
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: dishonest with the pharmacy about the reason for it. It
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was an on-label prescription. In other words, it was for
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: parasites or whatever the drug was invented for but truly
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the doctor wanted to give it to her patient because
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: of covid yeah she had her license suspended without even
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a hearing and it did the courts just well found
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that her due process rights were violated but i was
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: reading it and remembering the insanity we were going through
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: back then like the pharmacies not being able to fill
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: prescriptions doctors being told they couldn't have one-on-one consultations with
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: their payments about alternative uh theories people being told they
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: must take a vaccine that had emergency use authorization swirling
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: around it and Ignoring natural immunity as an equal protection
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: from COVID. In fact, natural immunity prevents you from getting it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: This shot.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And that's why convalescent plasma was an important part early on.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: You had patients that got COVID and they didn't die.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: They got through it. Now they have the antibodies. You
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: still have to match blood type and things like that,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: but you could take that. You donate your plasma. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: then you give that to another patient that has COVID,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and they were recovering. The Cincinnati Enquirer even did a
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: piece on somebody who got convalescent plasma in Cincinnati. He said,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I was better the next day. I was in ICU,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: but I got better the next day. And we pushed
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: that aside, too, because it was all pushing of vaccines.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And threatening to fire him from his job if he
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: didn't get a vaccine, in spite of the fact that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that particular treatment worked. And he had the natural antibodies,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: like I have. I went through bad COVID and, you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: they tested me about a year or so later and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: my body was filled with antibodies.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I was told that I needed a booster to go
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to Germany for security conference. And I said, well, let's
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: check my antibodies and T cells, but they couldn't do
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: T cells.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: So I had been vaccinated and I got COVID and
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I only knew that because I couldn't smell garlic salt.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: And I got my labs back. Strong number was 40.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: My number was 821.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: There you have it. Don't go away. One more with
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Brad Winstrip. I hope you can stick around. It's 746
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: right now, 55KRC, the talk station. 55KRC. I'm not great
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: with facial. 750, 55KRC, the talk station. Before we get
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: back to Brad Winstrip, we're going to get ourselves a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Crime Stopper Bad Guy of the Week. Welcome back to
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the 55KRC Morning Show. Tiffany Green, Officer Green with Cincinnati
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Police Department, doing great work for the citizens of the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati. And time for us to help with
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: getting this bad guy Tiffany Green, welcome back. Who are
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: we looking for today?
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian. Good morning. Cincinnati Police District 2 is
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: looking for Jeremy Baer.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Baer is wanted for felony strangulation and misdemeanor domestic violence.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: On August 22nd of 2026, during a domestic dispute, Baer
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: forcibly put his hands against the victim's face and throat,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: making it difficult for the victim to breathe. Jeremy Baer
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: is a white male. He's 50 years old. He's 6
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: foot and 165 pounds. Jeremy Baer has an arrest history
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: of drug offenses and was last known to live on
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Gilbert Avenue in Walney Hills. If anyone has information on
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: where police can find Jeremy Baer, please call Crime Stoppers
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: at 513-352-3040 or submit a tip online at crime-stoppers.us.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: You'll be eligible for a cash reward if your tip
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: leaves you in arrest. His picture is right there on
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: my blog page, 55karacy. com, so you can keep your eyes
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: peeled for him. And let's hope my listening audience can
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: find this guy and make Cincinnati a safer place. Officer Green,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: thank you for what you do and the Cincinnati Police
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Department does each and every day. We've all here on
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: the morning show got your back. 751, Brad. China RX,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: your Bible for the past how many years? You mentioned
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that off air. It's a book you have relied on,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and it's a real eye-opener, I understand.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it is, and it's a shame it hasn't gotten
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: more attention. I mean, I first became familiar with it
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: when I was still in uniform. And I was working
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: with the Defense Logistics Medical Supply Chain Council where we're
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: looking at where we're vulnerable as far as having the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: medicines that we need.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Something else we revealed from COVID,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: we found out the Chinese are the ones that make
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: all of our pharmaceuticals.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Including the ones for military.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, some of us realized it before, but COVID
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: really brought it to our attention because we couldn't. We
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: couldn't get personal protective equipment.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That we don't control. That we didn't need. Well, masks
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we didn't need, right? Yeah. But other things that we
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: do need.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And it also brought forward that, you know, we clearly
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: have a pharmaceutical problem.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: So this was there already.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, in my practice, I noticed, you know, as
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: time was going by and say in the last 10
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to 12 years or, well, probably longer than that, what
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: do you mean I can't get this antibiotic? What do
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: you mean I can't get this? The problem we had
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: today is we let this get out of our control.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: And think about this for the military. For the military,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: we debated several years ago that the running shoes that
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: we dispense to new recruits when they join the military
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: has to be 100% domestic. Well, I'm all in favor
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: But what about the drugs we use on the battlefield?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Why aren't they 100% domestic, which obviously is a national
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: security risk if we don't control that? And what has
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: happened over the years is China controls that. They control
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the active pharmaceutical ingredients. So even if something's coming from India,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: likely the basic ingredients came from China. Now, it's something
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: that I am working on on the side now that
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I'm in the private sector is getting more of these
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: things created domestically. But this is a national security risk.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: But I want to hit home with some of this, too.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: The FDA is not over in China the way they
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: are here. to make sure that the quality persists.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: We had a problem with heparin years ago. Remember that? Yes, exactly.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Outdoor vats of pig blood, which is what's used to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: make heparin, unsanitary conditions.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: So it became tainted. 250 Americans died from that, Brian.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Now think about heparin is this classic example of what
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: China has been doing. China bought Smith meal foods. What
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: is that? That is pork.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: That is what's in your sausage. Across the country, McDonald's,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: wherever you're getting it, they are a big supplier of
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: all of those things. The other component of that is
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: you need, I forget how many hogs you actually need
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to garner what's needed to create heparin. So they're the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: ones creating the heparin, which is a life-saving drug as
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: it prevents clots, right? Right. Now you have 250 Americans
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: dying because it came from China and the quality was bad.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And it's all controlled by China. From nature to the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: product to the consumer. And the opportunity for sabotage across
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: all of our generic drugs is huge.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: And since she's listening this morning and really wanted you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and I to talk about the COVID-19 vaccine causing clots.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: So let's put this all together. Maureen, for your benefit,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you get the COVID-19 vaccine, which she's convinced causes clots,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: which will kill you. So in order to prevent those clots,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you get the heparin that was made outside in China,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: which will kill you, and you can't get it. Or
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: is sabotaged.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: The circle of life. All these things are in play.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: They're not stupid. They've been doing these things for years
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: to get control. What we see in the pharmaceutical industry
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: today is they have been very good at making drugs.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: They now are reaching out to small innovators in particular.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: In other words, small innovators of new drugs, new cures,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: and things like that, and saying, we can do your
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: research for less. And so when you don't have much money,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: and you're a startup, and you're going, let's go to China.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I work with a bioscience company, and I have an
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: email under their name. I started getting things from Wuji App. Oh, no.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Saying, we can do your research for you. Are you
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: doing this? Are you doing that?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: We can do your research for you for less. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: people are doing it. The China Committee in Congress, led
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: by John Molnar of Michigan, is like, no. That's what
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the Biosecure Act was about. With Biosecure, all we were
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: really able to do is say, there will be no
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: federal money going to any of these entities for any
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: type of research, etc., and they were vetted, and they
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: pose a risk to our national security.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: We've got to do more. More, most assuredly, and I'm
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: glad you're on the job and minding the store for
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: all of us, Brad Winstrup. Appreciate your willingness to spend
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the hour here in the studio, and don't be a stranger, man.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: You know you always have a welcome opportunity to talk
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: about these important issues here on the 55Kers.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it's about caring for the American people.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I know it is, and I know how passionate you
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: are about that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: You know, we want Americans to be free, to be safe,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and we want the next generation to thank us for
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: what we're doing today.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Amen to that, brother. Good to see you, man. Congressman
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: David Taylor, he's still a congressman. He's going to join
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the program after the top of the hour news. And
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network coming up at 8.30.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I sure hope you can stick around.