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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Mica & JP Miller · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys, welcome to an episode of Till Death Do
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  Speaker 1: Us Part. I'll be your host today, Emily Simpson with.
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  Speaker 2: Shane.
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  Speaker 1: All right, today we are going to talk about, this
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  Speaker 1: was a new documentary that came out on Netflix. It's
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  Speaker 1: called The Pastor's Wife. And so many of you sending
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  Speaker 1: me DMs saying, you and Shane have to talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about it. Micah Miller was young, faithful,
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  Speaker 1: and married to J.P. Miller, who was a charismatic pastor
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  Speaker 1: at the center of their South Carolina congregation. To the
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  Speaker 1: outside world, they were a portrait of devotion, but Micah
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  Speaker 1: had begun to tell a very different story. In the
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  Speaker 1: months before her disappearance, she filed for divorce, alleging manipulation,
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  Speaker 1: coercive control, and a systematic dismantling of her sense of self.
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  Speaker 1: She made recordings. She reached out to people. She was preparing.
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  Speaker 2: For what?
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  Speaker 1: No one could be sure. What followed raised questions that
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't stay quiet about their marriage, about the man she
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  Speaker 1: left behind, and about whether the full truth would ever
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  Speaker 1: come to light. Micah's relationship with J.P. Miller is documented
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  Speaker 1: in the Netflix docuseries Death of the Pastor's Wife, which
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  Speaker 1: premiered on August 26 of 2026. All right, let's go
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  Speaker 1: through a little bit of a timeline about Micah and J.P.,
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think I've ever hated someone
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  Speaker 1: so much. I mean, I've hated a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that we've talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's a long list of people. There's a long list.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying he surpassed all those people and he's at
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  Speaker 2: the top now?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's close to the top.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: He's a piece of work. And why people continue to
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  Speaker 1: follow him is beyond me. Other than it just reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of the crazy– People like the women that would follow,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like the good looking guy that committed two
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  Speaker 1: murders in a.
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  Speaker 2: Day, Wade Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: Like just that blind following makes no sense to me,
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  Speaker 1: but we're going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: John Paul J.P. Miller was the charismatic founder and senior
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  Speaker 1: pastor of Solid Rock Church. Also, by the way, there
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  Speaker 1: is a church in Ohio called Solid Rock. Anyway, I
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  Speaker 1: just thought I would throw that out there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. He has a
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  Speaker 1: magnetic and persuasive personality, and he built a devoted congregation
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  Speaker 1: and cultivated an image as a man of God, a
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  Speaker 1: spiritual authority figure at the center of his community. Micah
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  Speaker 1: grew up in Wichita, Kansas. She was one of seven
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  Speaker 1: siblings in a deeply religious household. When her family relocated
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  Speaker 1: to Myrtle Beach, she was.
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  Speaker 2: A 13 year old.
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  Speaker 1: And she began attending Solid Rock Church, where she discovered
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  Speaker 1: her love of music and worship. By all accounts, she
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  Speaker 1: was full of faith and fiercely devoted to her calling.
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  Speaker 1: So when she's 13, she knows J.P. Miller at the time.
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  Speaker 1: He's a pastor, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right. He's a full-on adult. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's like 15 years older than her, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Something like that. Yeah. It doesn't say late 20s. She's 13.
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  Speaker 2: That's a baby. She's 13.
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  Speaker 1: That's a child. Um, so first of all, at 18,
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  Speaker 1: Micah gets married to a fellow church member named Jeremy
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  Speaker 1: back in 2012 with JP Miller himself officiating the wedding.
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  Speaker 1: She went on to work as JP's personal assistant at
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  Speaker 1: the church. That's where, you know, she's 18. I guess
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  Speaker 1: she's not 13 at this point. She's 18, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you have issue?
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  Speaker 1: I just have an issue with her being a personal assistant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: To him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, knowing who he is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But his personal assistant shouldn't be, you're right, shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: someone 18, a female. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that just seems inappropriate just from the
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  Speaker 1: get-go without there even being some illicit affair. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: saying if you're a man of God and a church
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  Speaker 1: and you need a personal assistant, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it should be an 18-year-old girl.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't need a personal assistant.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's a very busy man. He has sermons to
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  Speaker 1: write about sex every day. So he needs a personal
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  Speaker 1: assistant to do all the other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He's married by the way, right? He's married at this time.
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  Speaker 1: He's married.
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  Speaker 2: With children.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I believe he was, he's married to, I forget her name,
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  Speaker 1: but she's part of the church. But then I believe
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  Speaker 1: he was married before that as well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. But we do know he was married at this time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: When Micah joins the church.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she joined at 13 and now she's his personal
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  Speaker 1: assistant at 18. Over the next few years, JP began
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  Speaker 1: sending Micah compliments about her appearance. What started as flattery
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  Speaker 1: gradually escalated. After three years of marriage to Jeremy, Micah
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  Speaker 1: and JP began a physical affair and JP was also
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  Speaker 1: still married with five children at that time. When the
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  Speaker 1: affair came to light, it devastated both marriages and sent
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  Speaker 1: shockwaves through the congregation, which But the church eventually forgave
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  Speaker 1: it and JP and his wife divorced. Micah and Jeremy divorced.
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  Speaker 1: And then JP and Micah became a couple. They turned
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  Speaker 1: their affair into a love story that the congregation came
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  Speaker 1: to admire. I want to know what her first husband, Jeremy, thinks.
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  Speaker 1: I was waiting for his interview in the Netflix documentary.
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  Speaker 2: He never showed up. That guy got out. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: was smart. I mean, I'm sure he was heartbroken. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was by choice, right? Because she
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  Speaker 2: left him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she left him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I meant. He's lucky to have not been
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  Speaker 2: a part of anything that's ahead of us in episode
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  Speaker 2: two and episode three of this series. Right. Right. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's saddened to hear her story.
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  Speaker 1: Right. In December of 2017, Micah suffered a severe negative
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  Speaker 1: reaction to sedatives during a breast augmentation surgery. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about this breast augmentation because they didn't give
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  Speaker 1: you a lot of details on it. But my takeaway
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  Speaker 1: was that JP was encouraging her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they said that some of the family members said that. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But that's my belief, too, that he was encouraging.
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  Speaker 2: Her soon after marriage to get.
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  Speaker 1: Breast implants to so she could, you know. look a
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  Speaker 1: certain way for him. But I don't think that was
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  Speaker 1: probably something that she had ever wanted or thought about.
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  Speaker 1: It was I'm sure it was 100% him saying you
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  Speaker 1: need to do this. Okay, so after her breast augmentation surgery,
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  Speaker 1: she I don't know if she claimed this or if
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  Speaker 1: he claimed this or if this was actually true, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never heard of someone having a
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  Speaker 1: negative like psychosis type of effect from anesthesia. I think
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was a combination of the way he was
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  Speaker 1: treating her. I'm sure he was very controlling at this time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he was probably already cheating on her. So
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe a combination of the surgery, the anesthesia, as.
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  Speaker 2: Well as covering as him.
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  Speaker 1: And his treatment of her is probably why she was
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  Speaker 1: having any type of mental issues.
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  Speaker 2: After seeing and reading this whole story, he is clearly
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  Speaker 2: the biggest factor in, in her.
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  Speaker 1: Mental decline right she was hospitalized and diagnosed with bipolar
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  Speaker 1: disorder during her recovery you know that's another question i
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  Speaker 1: have was she diagnosed with bipolar disorder is there actual
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  Speaker 1: documentation of her seeing a psychiatrist and being not that
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  Speaker 1: i can actually diagnosed or are we talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Like again general terms or are.
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  Speaker 1: We talking about jp said she was diagnosed Because when
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  Speaker 1: you go through this whole documentary, anything that comes up
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  Speaker 1: about her mental state or her mental needs is all
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  Speaker 1: through him and his text messages to other people. She
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  Speaker 1: needs this medication. She's not taking this. She's going through
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  Speaker 1: a mental, you know, psychosis type of situation. She has bipolar.
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  Speaker 1: It's all coming from him. I do know that she
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  Speaker 1: went to the, you know, the biblical therapist, some type
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  Speaker 1: of religious therapist, right? That she became friends with.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that some type of therapy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But to me, again... It was.
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  Speaker 2: Probably more spiritual therapy. It was probably more informal, at
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  Speaker 2: least in the mental... health world.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I'm saying I don't think it was because she
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  Speaker 1: was suffering from bipolar and she was recognizing that she
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  Speaker 1: was suffering from bipolar. I think it was because she
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  Speaker 1: was suffering in her marriage. And so she went to
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  Speaker 1: the spiritual leader to try to get some type of guidance.
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  Speaker 1: So again, I don't know if she was actually diagnosed
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  Speaker 1: by a psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 2: Based on publicly reported medical documents, Mikey Miller was reportedly
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  Speaker 2: formally diagnosed with mental health disorders. Bipolar disorder, dependent personality disorder,
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  Speaker 2: manic episodes, suicidal thoughts and attempts, schizophrenia. So there is
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  Speaker 2: definitely some at least medical professionals that evaluated her at
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  Speaker 2: some time and had some reporting of this.
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  Speaker 1: I would say it was probably after she spent long
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  Speaker 1: periods of time with a husband.
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  Speaker 2: It was after she left her high school sweetheart and
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  Speaker 2: married her pastor.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That slowly declined. Rapidly declined.
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  Speaker 1: Just six days after being discharged from the psychiatric hospital,
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  Speaker 1: JP married her. Her family and friends later said they
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  Speaker 1: believed he chose that moment deliberately, marrying her when she
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  Speaker 1: was at her most vulnerable. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 2: They should let her recover, for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think because he's such a psychotic narcissist, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you want to call it, I mean, that was a
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  Speaker 1: time for her. That was the best time for him
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  Speaker 1: to marry her because I know her family was against it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he could save her, too. I'm sure he feels
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  Speaker 2: manly by saving her.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he looks like the hero.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he could tell her what to do,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm looking out for you, and you know, so.
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  Speaker 1: Once they married, troubling patterns emerged. So Micah had JP's
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  Speaker 1: signature tattooed on her body, which family saw as a
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  Speaker 1: sign of how thoroughly she had been marked as his.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, whose signature? His signature? yeah you didn't see that
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  Speaker 2: part yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She had his signature tattooed i believe on the side
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  Speaker 1: of her like this I assumed when I saw that
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  Speaker 1: part again, my takeaway was that was his idea. And
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  Speaker 1: he sent her to have it done and probably wrote
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  Speaker 1: his signature.
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  Speaker 2: He branded her.
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  Speaker 1: Branded her, right.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if his former wives have the same branding.
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  Speaker 1: Have brandings on them.
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  Speaker 2: And his future wives. Spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 1: Rumors of JP's continued infidelity circulated constantly. JP allegedly administered
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  Speaker 1: testosterone to Micah to keep up with his sex drive.
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  Speaker 1: And Micah told friends that they regularly had sex four
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  Speaker 1: times a day. The way they presented it in the
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  Speaker 1: documentary was that she was taking testosterone to be able
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  Speaker 1: to keep up with his sex drive.
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  Speaker 2: At his direction.
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  Speaker 1: Because he... wanted sex at least four times a day.
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you how uncomfortable it was for me
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  Speaker 1: to watch this documentary and watch his sermons.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I do understand that for purposes of this documentary...
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  Speaker 1: They show a lot of his sermons, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: clips of his sermons. They show a lot of clips
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  Speaker 1: of his actual sermons. And obviously, they took a cross
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  Speaker 1: section of the ones where he's... He's.
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  Speaker 2: Always referencing the female should basically... submit herself to her
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  Speaker 2: husband at all times.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And if she doesn't, then he's always out looking
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  Speaker 1: at other places.
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  Speaker 2: It's your fault if he cheats. Right. It's pretty much
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  Speaker 2: what he was saying.
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  Speaker 1: It was what he was saying repeatedly.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: In many different ways.
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  Speaker 2: This guy's a sicko.
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  Speaker 1: But this is what I didn't understand. I didn't understand
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  Speaker 1: how you could sit in a church environment at a
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  Speaker 1: pew with this douchebag and tight pants and a button down.
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  Speaker 2: What would it be like to hang out with that congregation?
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  Speaker 2: What do they do on the weekends?
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  Speaker 1: Like, Why is everyone just sitting there like it's perfectly
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  Speaker 1: normal that he's talking about all these things that are sexual, which.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I think is inappropriate. Well, they were
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  Speaker 2: always one-sided too. It was always about the female. It
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  Speaker 2: was never like giving advice on how spouses should treat
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  Speaker 2: each other. It was always about how the female should
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  Speaker 2: be treating the husband. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then about how if she's not treating him to
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  Speaker 1: all his sexual needs and desires, then he's out wandering around,
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  Speaker 1: looking around, getting it in other places.
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  Speaker 2: And that's her fault. I mean, this is literally... What
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  Speaker 2: are you saying? Like, ask me how I know what
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  Speaker 2: he was saying.
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  Speaker 1: I just I had like secondhand embarrassment watching it. I
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  Speaker 1: just thought, how are these people sitting in a church
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  Speaker 1: setting in a congregation listening to this doucher?
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  Speaker 2: And everybody's just okay with it. And everybody's like, following him.
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  Speaker 1: And he's a leader. And they're they put him up
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  Speaker 1: on a pedestal. JP constantly preached that wives are obligated
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  Speaker 1: to meet their husband's sexual needs and allegedly demanded sex daily. Quote,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't meet your husband's sexual needs, he says
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  Speaker 1: in one sermon, Satan will put 20 different options before
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  Speaker 1: his eyes before the day's over with. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. then don't look you doucher i know those options
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  Speaker 2: are still there those options.
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  Speaker 1: Are always there like you're there's always other women there's
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  Speaker 1: always temptation the point is is that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's he's proof of living proof of that
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  Speaker 2: he gets sex from his wife four times a day
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  Speaker 2: apparently and he still cheated on her right so did
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  Speaker 2: he only have 10 options i mean what what happened to.
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  Speaker 1: That So Micah's friend, Charlotte Korn, spoke in the documentary
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  Speaker 1: about strict rules around something as basic as a phone call.
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  Speaker 1: Micah told me multiple times, don't call me before 11
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  Speaker 1: unless I call you first. John Paul does not like
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  Speaker 1: it if I get out of bed before him.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was like, 11 o'clock? Like he's not
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  Speaker 2: up until 11 o'clock? Like as a safety measure, just
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  Speaker 2: make it nothing before 11 because sometimes he sleeps in?
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So what time does he go to bed?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Who sleeps until 11?
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  Speaker 2: Who sleeps with him?
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  Speaker 1: Well, lots of people sleep with him. When Micah sought
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  Speaker 1: refuge at her sister's house, JP allegedly sent texts threatening
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  Speaker 1: to raise hell and stating, I'm armed, I'm ready. JP
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  Speaker 1: denied all of these allegations, even though she showed text messages.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's text messages of him saying that she
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  Speaker 1: called the police.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was on group text messages too, as we'll
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  Speaker 2: learn that he said horrible things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But that, yeah, but I'm talking about that instance
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  Speaker 1: where she's at her sister's house and he wanted her
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  Speaker 1: to come home. And he's texting and he's threatening her
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  Speaker 1: and he's saying he's down the lane and he's at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the road and that he has a
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  Speaker 1: gun and he's armed and ready and they call the
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  Speaker 1: police on him. I'm just saying he put all of
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  Speaker 1: that into text messages, even though he denies doing it.
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  Speaker 1: He has a bad habit of putting everything into text
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  Speaker 1: messages and then saying that he didn't do any of it.
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  Speaker 1: So in October of 2023, Micah Miller illegally filed for
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  Speaker 1: separation from JP for the first time. Then in February
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  Speaker 1: of 2024, the case was dismissed after the couple tried
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  Speaker 1: to reconcile. Federal prosecutors later alleged that from November of
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  Speaker 1: 2022 through April of 2024, JP engaged in a sustained
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  Speaker 1: pattern of cyber stalking and intimidation. Um, this includes just
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that he did to her posting
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  Speaker 1: nude photos of Micah online without her consent. I guess
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  Speaker 1: he would take photos of her while they were having.
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  Speaker 2: Sex and then.
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  Speaker 1: He would use them and threatened. Here's the thing though.
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  Speaker 1: If he's posting them, doesn't he look like.
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  Speaker 2: He posted on her Facebook account?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he would log into her own Facebook and then
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  Speaker 1: post it. Like she's posting nudes and of herself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then he would tell her that no
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  Speaker 2: church will ever want you.
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  Speaker 1: That's diabolical.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to destroy kind of your identity of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that she loves to attend a church and
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  Speaker 2: kind of be a part of that group.
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  Speaker 1: That she's this good, wholesome girl.
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  Speaker 2: And he was going to try to take that away
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  Speaker 2: from her.
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  Speaker 1: Also placing GPS tracking devices on her vehicle. You know,
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  Speaker 1: her brother found a tracking device. Did you see that part?
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  Speaker 1: And he pulled it off. And then I think he
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  Speaker 1: just replaced it again with another tracking device after that one, like,
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  Speaker 1: got removed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did.
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  Speaker 1: And then they had the video of him. Remember they
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  Speaker 1: pulled into the police station to like show the police
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  Speaker 1: that they had found a tracking device on her car.
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  Speaker 1: And as they're sitting at the police station, he drives
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  Speaker 1: in and then circles and leaves.
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  Speaker 2: And they took a video of that too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's literally tracking her in that moment. And
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: then he like pulls in and he's like, Oh, this
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: is a police station. And he like makes a U-turn
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: and leaves.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you my favorite scene in the
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: whole documentary is, Is when she leaves him and then
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: he lays in the grass.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Did you see this part? What was up with that?
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: It was like, I didn't understand that. So the car,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: it looked like he fell out the car door. Yeah.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: And he was just laying on the grass lifeless and crying.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And crying. But like such a whiny... I don't even
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: know how to explain the crying. It was funny because
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I was watching this documentary so that we could talk
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: about it today. And Annabelle walked into the room during
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: that scene and she sat down and she was cracking
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: up and she was like, what is wrong with this guy?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: She was like, what is this?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, this is a grown man.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Who's a pastor of a church that people look up
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: to that just is laying in the grass crying and
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: like a baby, but it was like, like.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't move. It was like a cartoon character. One
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: of our kids were like, come on, we got to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: go get up. It was like laying there like a
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: wet blanket.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Also, he allegedly contacted her. Well, not allegedly, I guess
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: this is, this is true because he was, um, He
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: was charged with cyberstalking. He contacted her over 50 times
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: from unknown numbers in a single day. I guess she
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: kept changing her phone number and he kept getting a
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: hold of it. I don't know how you continued to.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Get a hold. She felt that someone on the inside
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: was sharing a number. It was traveling around. And then
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: she received a phone call from his best friend, Mark.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: But she received a phone call from him. I remember
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: because that was recorded. She recorded that call, a video
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: recording of her taking that call where he said, I'm
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: not calling on behalf of JP. I'm calling on behalf
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: of both of you. And she was just like, whatever.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And she pretty much hung up on him.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: The call. So that was likely the, an example of
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: how the, her number gets around. Why? Because, because she
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: has to share with someone and someone was leaking it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: And then it'd get to this Mark fellow or whomever.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, All right.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: On February 8th of 2024, JP called a psychiatric hospital
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and had Micah involuntarily hospitalized for 48 hours by the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach police. That sounds so archaic to me.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Because of the crazy allegations he made about her and
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: about how like she was very dangerous. And so they,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what their procedures are, but it
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: sure seemed like they just took his word for it. Yeah.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And violently grabbed her and threw her in a psych ward. Right.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Or a 72 hour hold or whatever it is. And
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: it's like, just based on what he said.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying it sounds so like.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: He must have been really convincing.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Like 1800s to me when people that were like slightly
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: different or.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: There's probably some cops in his congregation. So he's like, hey,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: let's go get her.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: On February 10th of 2024, upon discharge, Micah discovered JP
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: had picked up her purse and car keys during her stay.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Her car was gone from the Walmart parking lot where
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: she had left it. Then on March 11th of 2024,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Micah took formal legal action, filing a complaint and motion
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: for a restraining order. To meet the filing requirements, she
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: needed to attach at least two police reports documenting a
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: pattern of harassment or stalking. and she included three. So
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: she had three police reports. Her first report was filed
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: at a restaurant called Wicked Tuna, describing a string of
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: texts that JP sent her while she was at a
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: family oyster roast. One read simply, enjoy your oysters. Another
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: asked how her morning at Valeros church had been a
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: reminder that he was watching her every move. Then on
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: March 5th of 2024, this is her second police report,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: which she filed two days later, described a barrage of emails, texts, calls,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and letters, as well as a disturbing discovery. A razor
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: blade had been wedged into her passenger side tire, destroying it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Did you see that?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's two razor blades.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then on March 11th, 2024, this is the
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: third police report, which was filed that same day. She
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: sought the restraining order. So she, so she seeks this
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: restraining order on March 11th and she attaches the two
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: police reports plus the one from that day. This one
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: alleged that she found three more razors in her tires
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and that her car had been keyed and that a
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: GPS tracking device had been planted on the vehicle. She
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: also reported finding a letter accusing her of having an
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: affair with a teenager. Do you remember there was a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: part also where he asked her repeatedly? He kept harassing her,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: asking her.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: If you were going to kiss a girl, who would
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it be? Yeah. And supposedly he kept asking her and
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: she was kind of like not comfortable answering the question
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: because she doesn't have anyone. She's not interested in that. Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And then she finally gave him an answer and she
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: gave him an answer. I think it was the Charlotte girl. Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: He thought that's the safest because it's probably because she's
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: a wonderful lady and probably wouldn't do anything. And then
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: he used it against her the whole time.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: He said that she was having an affair with a friend.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: That reminds me of this where he's now alleging that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: she's having some inappropriate, you know, relationship with a teenager
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: so he's doing everything possible to destroy not just their
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: marriage but her life her integrity well.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: He's breaking her down to put it lightly.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Right Through the restraining order, Micah was asking the court
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: for three things, that JP be barred from threatening or
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: harassing her or her family, that he be prohibited from
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: coming near her home, workplace, or school, and that he
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: also be legally prevented from contacting her in any way
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that violated South Carolina's harassment and stalking statutes. Then on
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: March 13th of 2024, Solid Rock Church filed a police
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: report claiming Micah had transferred $ 1, 199 in church donations to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: her personal account. Police later determined there was insufficient evidence
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to pursue the matter.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: You know, this is ridiculous. So he makes a report
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that she's crazy and going to hurt herself or hurt someone.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So they literally are aggressive and they go grab her
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and against her will, put her in a hold. She
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: makes all these claims. And they're like, yeah, we're not
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: seeing anything here. It's just a marital kind of dispute. Right. Problem. Right.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Something's wrong there.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a good old boy system to me
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: in the South.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: What city are they in? Do we know?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: South Carolina. Oh. It seems to me that everyone's protecting
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: him and working really hard to protect him and working
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: really hard against her.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: He's probably in everyone's face nonstop. I mean, look at her.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: He's calling her 50 times a day.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Can we just talk about one other thing? Susie Skinner. So,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: while he's married to Micah, he's having an affair with
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Susie Skinner, who is.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Who's married in... Is also married and a member of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the church.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Who is married to a man who is a... What
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: is it? Is it a quadriplegic? Is that where.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he was quad or para, but
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: he was... In a wheelchair. He was disabled in a wheelchair. Right.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And they met... She met him because she was his
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: physical therapist. I guess he was this, I can't remember
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: his name, but he was an athlete. Mm-hmm. And he
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was in good shape. He was very athletic. And I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: believe he got hurt doing something athletic, right? And so,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: then she was his physical therapist. Then she marries him,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and they're both members of Solid Rock Church.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Then he, I think, stops going to church because he
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't like it or something. He's not interested or whatever.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He doesn't participate like she does.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And she goes all the time. Right. Because she's sleeping
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: with the pastor. Because she's sleeping with JP. So Susie
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Skinner starts sleeping with JP. But Micah knows about the affair.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And it shows. It's so awkward to me. that this
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: man stands up and preaches about what a woman should
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: do for a man and how a woman should treat
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a man.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: And temptation this and temptation that.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And literally Susie Skinner's like right there in the congregation
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and Micah's right there. And Micah knows that JP's having
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: an affair with this Susie Skinner woman. And she just
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: has to take it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And she's still having to have sex with the pastor
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: nonstop daily and being treated by him the way, it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: not like he's neglected her. And he's sleeping in the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: basement and he's pursuing a different life. Like he also
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: is controlling her and destroying her. Right.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: So you're saying he's also making sure his sexual needs
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: are met by his wife. Well, then he's also having
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: an affair with Susie Skinner. And then if Micah brings
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: up anything about Susie or asks that he not see
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: her anymore, it becomes a fight and he becomes horrible
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to her. Not that he's already horrible to her. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: then it becomes not worth it for her to even
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: bring it up because it makes her life so much worse.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And then there's Susie Skinner just in the congregation knowing
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: she's sleeping with the pastor's wife while she's married to her.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Disabled husband at home who's in a wheelchair. While they're worshiping.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And talking about what good people they are and how
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: moral and ethical they are.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Right. Then.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I want to know what happened to the husband in
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the wheelchair because I know he died, but I want
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: more detail. He drowned in the pool.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: What do we know so far?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Well, we know that.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: They found him in the wheelchair in the bottom of
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the community pool where they lived. I assume they lived
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: in an apartment or condo or something where it had
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a community pool. They found him drowned in the pool
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the pool and they rolled in
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: an accident. Like he accidentally rolled into the pool. Well,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: his sister saying he was so depressed about the Susie
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Skinner and the pastor saying, you know, relationship. I mean,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: he knew about the affair that he possibly committed suicide
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: or did someone roll him into the pool or push
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: him into the pool? Is there no security footage out there?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past JP.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying I wanted like, why did, were
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: there no witnesses?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It was very convenient. That the husband of the female
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that he was sleeping with a lot died.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: When he spoke up. Because I think he wanted to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: speak up. I thought I heard that, that he was
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: starting to speak out.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: He was not going to church, but then he decided
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to go to the church because he wanted to confront
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: him because he knew that there was something inappropriate going on.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: And he was found at the bottom of a pool.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: And then the next thing you know, he's found dead
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the pool. And who are the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: first people that show up when... Susie calls to tell
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: people that her husband is dead. Who does she call?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: JP.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: She calls JP Miller, not his family, not his siblings.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: She calls pastor JP. Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Her number one guy.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Well, then it shows body cam footage of the police.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: You know, it shows him pull up and hug her.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And then Micah's with him. Here's JP hugging Susie Skinner,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: whose husband just died in a pool. And Micah's there
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: consoling her as well, knowing that she's having an affair
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: with her husband. Like, this is just so trippy for
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: me that all this is going on and everybody's just
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: going on with their day.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Like it's normal.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Then we move on to March 26 of 2024 and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a civil bench trial was held in the matter of
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Micah Miller versus John Paul Miller. The case was dismissed
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: without prejudice and no restraining order was issued. What emerged
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: instead was a post nuptial agreement.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: This is where I wish I had.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: More information and I don't know what happened. I don't
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: know how he got... I feel like the restraining order
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: was dropped. There was no restraining order issued. And then
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: he gets, I don't know if you know this, but
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: then he got Micah to sign a post-nuptial agreement.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Is that the, is that, was that the agreement? Like
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I won't sleep with Susie anymore.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: No, that was a marital contract that she wrote herself.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about an actual legal document drafted by his attorney.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: It is a post-nuptial agreement. She had no independent counsel
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to review it. The document addressed the division of assets
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and included what was called a no adverse contact order
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: or a NACO. It was an agreement that both parties
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: would refrain from stalking, following or engaging in any harmful
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: conduct towards one another and would only communicate with each
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: other's mutual consent. Micah told her sister she was afraid
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: for her life and she said, if anything happens to me,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: JP did it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: That seems to be a theme.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Or these women that are found dead say, if anything
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: happened to me, my husband did it. Yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I say, if anything happened to me, and I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: say somebody else did it, but I'm not going to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: name who that is. It's not you.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: When I say, if you find me dead, go look
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: at this person.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: It's not you. It's someone else.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't be me.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It's not you.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks. Thank you for acknowledging that. I do acknowledge. You
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't falsely incriminate me as the murderer.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: No, it's never Shane. If something happens to me, it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: not Shane. It's someone else.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: It's usually you. You're the one that falls and stumbles
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and I'll be like, well, she probably fell and hit
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: her head.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. Anyway, again, just this post-nuptial agreement.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: It was drafted by his attorney. She signed it and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: she had no independent legal representation. Again, it's just a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: complete disparity between the power within this relationship.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I don't understand why this
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: post nuptial it divided assets so i can understand that goal.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: In all this was he afraid she was gonna leave Probably.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: But also, like, I don't understand.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: That's why he didn't have her write out a will.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I don't understand the agreement that they both agree not
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to stalk, follow, or engage in any type of harmful
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: conduct towards one another. Because he's the one that's stalking
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and harassing. The one that darned the marriage.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: That's probably him to try to make, I don't know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: maybe he's trying to create some type of. Like, look,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: she's the one stalking. I have to put this in
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: writing so she doesn't stalk me.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So you think it was a preemptive move where he
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: has some evidence that he's like, well, look, why would
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I have her sign this postnuptial agreement that we don't
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: stalk each other if you're accusing me of stalking her?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: How could I stalk her if I signed this?
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But the timeline of events are, this
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: is crazy. This is getting chaotic. So he's married. He
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: meets Micah when she's 13. When they're 18, they're fooling around,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: sleeping together. His wife and them separate. He marries Micah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Then now he's sleeping with Susie, who's in their congregation,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: among whomever else he's sleeping with and whatever else he's doing,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: whatever else he's doing. And then she knows about it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And then she ends up trying to leave him and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: she can't even leave him without him going crazy and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: stalking and being psychotic towards her.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: That's where we're at right now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: There's also allegations from previous wives that he slept with prostitutes,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure. Oh, yeah.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he also shortchanged them. Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Or he probably wrote him a check from Solid Rock
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Church to pay for it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Are we going to get to the parts where they
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: drove around and find homeless people?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: He would, on at least four occasions, he would find someone,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're truly homeless, but people on
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the streets.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that wanted money, right?
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And he would pay them to basically have sexual acts
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: with his wife. Right. Yeah. And he would watch. Right.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: He's a sicko.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a sexual deviant. There's no doubt. I don't
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: know if there's a, is there another word besides sexual deviant?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, when someone's just like, that's all, it's all consuming.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: He's hell bound.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Hell bound?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Hell bound. All right. Um, so April 27th of 2024,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: this is Micah's last day, um, around 10, 13 AM. Well,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: first of all, let's talk about where Micah's living. So
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: she moved out and she now lives with a member
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of the church.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: She pretty much ran away.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: And she has, she ran away. Her sisters and brother
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: was very supportive of her, very protective of her. And
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: it was an old, much older lady.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: That was in the church.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: That she stayed there with. And she was still worried
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: about her safety as well. And she had her install
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a ring camera while they were there to document things
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: because she was fearful. Yeah.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: So this is a woman that's a member of the congregation.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: And she's an older lady. She lives in an apartment.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And so Micah is living with her at this time.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So around 10, 13 a.m., Micah was seen leaving the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach apartment she was residing in on a ring camera.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: She returned home briefly, left again. And we also know that,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and this is She also, so I'm trying to consolidate
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: all this in my mind because she puts her work
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: shirt on. She now has a, you know, she's now
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a waitress at a restaurant. She got like a new job.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: She's trying to start over. You know, and that kind
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: of broke my heart. Like all this that she's being
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: put through, then she even giving, getting away is hell
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: for her to try to have to survive and stay
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: away from him and survive. And now she has to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: go get a day job, which I mean, another one again,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: day job, but she has to go get a day job.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: while handling all of this, she has to check out
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: and go to a restaurant and serve people. And then
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: probably people complain. I mean, she has to, that's a
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: lot of weight on her shoulders. Right.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: So I do, I did notice on the ring camera
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that she does have her, like the name of the restaurant.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So she, so here's the thing. She does intend right
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: at that point to go to work at some point.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just bringing this facts up because
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: we know what's going to happen.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: She got off work. Did she get off work and
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: she was wearing it?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: No, I think it was in the morning and she
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: was going to work later. So she has her work
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: shirt on. Then around 12, 12 PM, she enters Dick's
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: pawn shop in Myrtle beach and purchases a handgun and ammunition.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: This video camera of that show.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Then around 1234, she leaves the pawn shop. Then around
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: one 27, she stops at a gas station in Mullen,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: South Carolina and purchases a drink and fuel. Then at
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: 2.54 p.m., so she drives pretty far and she goes
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to Lumber River State Park. It's in North Carolina. It's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: more than two hours away from Myrtle Beach. She calls
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: 911 and she asks if her phone can be located.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: She says that she wants to know if her phone
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: can be located because she's going to commit suicide and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: she wants her family to be able to know where
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: her location is. And then she hangs up. The dispatchers
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: tried calling back and there was no answer.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: You know, I noticed the dispatcher tried to keep her online. Yeah.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Because she said, hold on. I want to find your
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: exact location. Just wait, like meaning, okay, I'll do what
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you say. Hang in there. And like as if she
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: was fulfilling the request and making sure specifically she had
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the coordinates. I saw that as a delay tech trying
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: to keep her online, which I appreciated.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was. Around 3.50 p.m., a fisherman near
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the river reported he heard crying, followed by a gunshot.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: at 4 23 PM, a kayaker called nine one one
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: after discovering a body in the water. And around seven
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: 11 PM, a firearm was recovered from the water. The
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: serial number matched the gun box found in Micah's vehicle.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Micah Miller was only 30 years old and authorities confirmed
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that JP Miller was in Charleston, South Carolina that day
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: at a sporting event with another.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Woman living his best life.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: He was with Susie Skinner and was not present in
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: North Carolina at this time. Um, Here's the thing. I
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: know there were two shell casings found. We talked about
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: this before. The fisherman only heard one shot, but maybe
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: he didn't hear another one.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of people maybe think that there was foul play.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I know the family insinuated that possibly there was foul play.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Well, hold on. So she was found 100 feet away
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: in a slow moving kind of river. It's almost still water.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Still water.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That's how they portrayed it. Yeah. And there was two
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: casings found 100 feet away. Spend casings.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And then one live round.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And one live round. Okay. And then I know that
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: ballistics matched the bullet that was used to kill herself with.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: The gun that she bought at the pawn shop.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Correct. Right.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. It does not make sense why
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: she drove that far. Why did she put her work
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: shirt on? Maybe she decided just instantly that she was
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: going to do that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I think that question comes up a lot. People say, Oh,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: actually we talked about that a lot. Well, if they're
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: going to commit suicide, why did they make dinner plans
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: like this? Well, there is to some degree, it's a
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: last minute decision and they are in a routine. I mean,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: she gets up, she gets dressed cause she's going to work. Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: And then she probably has suicidal thoughts on and off
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: throughout the day. So, you know, it, at some point she's,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: she wanted to get a drink. She wanted to probably
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: drive far away. She probably made, she wanted to go
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to a beautiful place, a place that was quiet place
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: where she could sit by herself. Maybe she felt spiritually
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: she could connect with something. And she went all the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: way out there and she wanted her family to find her.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess maybe she fired a test shot first.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think so.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: To see if the gun worked.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: She wasn't like a gun owner, right?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I don't believe so. So I would assume the two
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: shell casings were a test shot and then the second
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: one to her head.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I know people were there was speculation as to why
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: her body was 100 feet out because the water wasn't moving.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I assume it's even if the water still the body still.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Well, let's say that's the case. Let's say it's proven
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: that the body died where it was found. What is that?
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: How does that change much? I guess because the casings
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: are a hundred feet away. Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: But if the casings are on the bank and they're
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a hundred feet away, she would have fallen into the
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: water right there. And then the point is how did
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: her body get a hundred feet away?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: There was no signs of anyone around.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's no sign of struggle. There's no other tire tracks.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: There's no other footprints.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: She's at the pawn shop on video. She's at the
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: gas station on video. She drove, she called. It sounded
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: like she was truly going to carry out what she said. Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: You know, there's always the alternative that maybe she was
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: coerced some way into making that 911 call. But we
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday. In order for there to be
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: foul play, meaning that she didn't actually commit suicide, that
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: there was some type of murder situation, this would have
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: had to have been the most criminally savvy person.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this guy texts all the time and shows
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: up all the time and tracking devices. This guy's all
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: over the place.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm just saying this person would have to have
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: known that she was going to go buy a gun
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: at a pawn shop.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: They would have had to have known, been able, well,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, he did track her, so maybe he followed her,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't there. He was at a game.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: If he was tracking her at this point in time,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we would have learned that there was
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: a tracking device on that vehicle.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Right. And he was at a game miles away. I mean,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: there were hundreds of people there that saw him.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: He drove her to commit suicide as far as I'm concerned.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: He's responsible for her death as far as I'm concerned,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: but I don't think he pulled the trigger or planned it.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either. I think that she did it herself.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: He might have celebrated it. Him and Susie might have
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: had a little romantic dinner that night. Probably.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: On May 2nd of 2024, JP gave a television interview
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: describing Micah's mental health struggles and saying she had battled
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: suicide before. His composure and framing struck Minnie as deeply unsettling.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: This was on, have you seen, did you see that
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: interview that he did? I think it was with Newsmax.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I saw a clip of it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was so bad. I don't even know why
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: he agreed to do that. I mean, it was, he's,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: it reminded me again.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Of people and, and say, look at me. I have
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: all the answers.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Right. And it was hard to watch. I, I couldn't
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: even watch it. And then they asked, um, I believe
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the journalist asked something to the effect of, you know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: some people say, were you involved in your, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: wife's death or something? And he kept going, that's a
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: good question. That's a great question. That's a good question.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: He said it, he kept saying it over and over.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: And he was almost excited about the question. Answer that
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: good question. That's a good question. It was so weird.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: It was weird.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: It was so bizarre. It's so bizarre. Micah's sister, Sierra Francis,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: filed in probate court to become special administrator of Micah's estate,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: citing abuse and violence in her affidavit. So obviously she
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: wants to be the executor of her estate, not him.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: There were two separate memorial services held for her, one
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: at Solid Rock Church, hosted by JP, and one Celebration
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: of Life, hosted by Micah's family. They were held separately, obviously,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: because at this point, there's so much contention between him
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: and her family, right? Because he sent that group text
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: to her family that said something like, you wouldn't let
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: her take her medication or something.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: So, like, way to go, family. Everywhere. He was shouting
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: from the rooftops. That he tried for three months to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: get her her medication and they refused to give it
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: to her and that's what drove her crazy in her
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: mental state and she killed herself. Right. I was like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But I couldn't believe he had the audacity to put
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: her whole family on a group text and then say
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: something to the effect of like, you wouldn't listen to
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: me and you wouldn't let her take her medication and
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: now she's dead and it's all your fault is basically
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: what the group text said. Right. I was like, this
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: guy is.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we know that.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: All right. The medical examiner confirmed Micah died from a
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: self-inflicted gunshot wound. JP filed a petition seeking to be
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: named fiduciary of Micah's estate. The Robeson County Sheriff's Office
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: announced it had referred the case to the FBI and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the U.S. Attorney's Office in South Carolina, and the FBI
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: took an interest in his case. Did you see when
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the FBI was searching his home? They got the search
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: warrant to search his home and get all his devices.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: This is because they took an interest in the case
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: because of the stalking and the abuse and all the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: things towards her. Did you see when they went in
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the garage? She had a DeLorean with the license plate
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: that said times out or something like that. Oh, yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Like the back to the future.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: It was a time machine reference. Right.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Out of time. It
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: said like out of time or something.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: That's actually from the movie. Yeah. So he probably had
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: like a.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: He had like a replica, like a DeLorean replica or
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: something in the garage. I just noticed that when they
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: were searching.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't like that he likes one of the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: movies I watched.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now you shouldn't like it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Because you don't want to be like him.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to cancel that.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: He was doing everything possible after her death to make
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: sure that he could get any notes or any journals
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that she had written.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Everything. He wanted everything that she had. Right.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So he reached out to the therapist, the biblical religious
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: therapist that she went to. He reached out to her
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and he wanted all of her notes.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And the lady that housed her. Yes.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And then the woman where she was living in her apartment,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: he reached out to her and said, I'm coming over
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to get all her stuff and her journals and notes
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and everything. And so that woman was smart. She called
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the brother, Micah's brother and sister, I believe, and said, hey,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: JP wants to come over and take all of her
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: personal belongings, her journals, everything she has written down. And
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: so the brother went and got it and the sister
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: went and they got it all first.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: She said literally five minutes before. They left and bam,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: he came in. Right.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: But that was smart. They got into her room. They
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: cleaned it out. They took all her personal journals. They
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: even looked under the mattress. They looked behind the headboard.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: They looked everywhere because they wanted to make sure that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: they got everything.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: And do you remember how they caught him eventually? Because
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the police had to arrest him at some point. Do
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: you remember how they trapped him? Oh, yeah. The spiritual
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: coach lady, right? The spiritual coach.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: They reached out to her and asked if she would
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: reach out to him. Because everyone else had a contentious
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: relationship with him. She was the only one that was
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: basically somewhat neutral or civil.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: But she sent a great text to him.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: She said she wanted to meet him.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: She had come across her notes and this and that.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And that she had no business holding on to them. Right.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: So she thought he would be the best caretaker for them. Right.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: And that guy just jumped on it. That was like
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: holding up a red stake right in front of a dog.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: He was like, I'm on it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I'm there. Right, right.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: And then the cops were there waiting for him.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Right. And they arrested him. Late 2024 going into 2025,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: JP remarries in a beachside ceremony just one year after
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Micah's death. Solid Rock Church eventually sold the property for
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: $ 2. 1 million and closed down.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: And the wife is?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: The wife is none other than Susie Skinner, whose husband
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: died in a pool.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: That's so convenient that that worked out for them like that.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: You know for a fact he's... She's not the only
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: one he's sleeping with right now.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: No, he's currently cheating. I can guarantee.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: He's on to his ex-wife.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: He is currently cheating on Susie Skinner at this very
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: moment right now.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Probably several times today already. Right.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Probably at least four already. JP went on to lead
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a new church called Mercy Church. Who still follows this man?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: As people get inside heads of others and.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, people are still following this man.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: You make people feel guilty, and then you make them
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: feel good, and then they keep following you. How do
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: you get Susie to marry him?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I don't understand that either. I mean,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Susie Skinner, seriously, you are an embarrassment to women. JP
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Miller was federally indicted in December of 2025 on charges
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: of cyber stalking and making false statements to investigators. He
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty. Micah's family, his trial date keeps getting continued.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I think I read it's been continued at least six
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: times now. And that is, again, what I was talking about.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in South Carolina, but
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: maybe it's a good old boy system. Maybe he's got
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: some connections with some police or some DAs or something.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And this keeps getting continued. So this man needs to pay.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they always do that. Everyone's always delaying, continuing.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying, yeah, no surprise.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's been six times.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Myrtle Beach, isn't that where the Murdoch family was?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I think it was South Carolina.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The Murdochs. Did he retain their law firm?
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if their law firm exists anymore.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: So in 2026, Micah's family continued their Justice for Micah
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: campaign and began advocating for Micah's law in South Carolina,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: which is proposed legislation designed to criminalize coercive control and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: expand the state's legal definition of domestic abuse. I think
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: that was a problem in this case was because he
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: was the husband. No one really gave her... um her
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: case a lot of.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: No they saw it as like domestic disputes right it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: like go home and it's like oh it's a marital
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: issue right like figure it out yeah but it's like
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: wait a minute if he's if he's if if a
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: man is beating the wife what's the matter if it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the wife or it's the girlfriend and they're saying oh
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: you married him so you you you're stuck.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: With him yeah So the Netflix documentary Death of a
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Pastor's Wife brought the case to a massive national audience
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: and reignited public pressure for accountability. As of now, J.P.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Miller's federal trial has not yet begun. A judge recently
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: pushed the case back again, moving it from the September
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: 26th court term to to October of 2026. So hopefully,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: JP Miller will go on trial in October of 2026.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: If convicted, Miller faces up to five years in prison
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: on the cyber stalking charge and an additional two years
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: for making false statements to investigators, along with a potential
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: fine of up to 250,000. Following his not guilty plea,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Miller was released on $ 100, 000 unsecured bond. As conditions of
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: his release, he was required to surrender his passport, And
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: his DeLorean. So he can't go into.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And chop off his penis.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So he can't go back to 1950.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And wear an ankle monitor. I tell you, if this
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: guy was not hated before.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: He's hated now.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine that he can go out in public
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: anywhere with Susie Skinner after this documentary has aired. No,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: he's probably got to wear it. Can you imagine?
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: This guy has a congregation that follows him. Of 15 people.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's right. It was like a little office space.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: They just taped up stencil-lettered words on there. Yes. You
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: know what? That goes to what I was going to say.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: He has to be the leader of his own congregation. Oh, yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Because no one will fall for it. No one will
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: accept him. Or should I say, he wouldn't allow anyone
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: else to be a leader. That guy has to be
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: on top. Right. He has to be in charge.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. Wait, what's his current place called? It's not
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Solid Rock anymore. Mercy.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Mercy Church.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Mercy Church.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he travels. I think they have
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: to find like different little locations where he can preach from.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: And he has like a congregation of 15.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: It's a traveling congregation. Yeah.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: It's a traveling congregation.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Um anyway if you're a follower of jp miller unfollow
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: please uh dm me so i can ask you why
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you continue to follow him all right guys thank you
• 49:07
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• 49:09
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• 49:12
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