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Gridlife: From Parking Lot Meets to National Motorsports Festivals · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  BreakFix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from
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  all over the autosphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors,
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  designers, and everything in between.
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  Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrolheads that wonder.
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  How did they get that job or become that person?
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  The road to success is paved by all of us, because everyone has a story.
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  When you think about automotive festivals, your imagination probably
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  wanders to visions of flat brimmed, hat wearing, electronic music pumping
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  social media junkies who spend as much time, effort, and money modifying their
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  vape rigs as they do their lowered, extremely cambered suspensions.
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  Whoa, whoa, way to stereotype, Eric, but here's where you're wrong.
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  Gridlife has many moving parts.
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  There's a car show, nonstop on track activities, a rotating mix of
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  drifting, high performance driving events or education, sessions for
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  drivers with various skill levels and compete against the clock time
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  attack races, plus two evenings worth of music and some great food trucks.
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  And joining us tonight is Adam Jebe, co founder plus motorsports director for
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  Gridlife, to explain how this petrol filled multidiscipline weekend, festival,
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  and lifestyle works and where you fit in.
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  So welcome to Break Fix, Adam.
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  Yeah, welcome.
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  We're fresh off of our ninth year of festival.
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  It was real busy and kind of tired.
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  Ninth one at this point.
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  So why don't we wind the clock back up a little bit and talk about
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  the origin story of grid life.
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  The who, the what, the where, and the when.
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  How did it all get started?
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  Yeah.
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  So this would have been our eighth Midwest festival.
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  If you start, I don't know, or the ninth year, I don't know how you actually want
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  to count it, but we evolved into a, like a full touring series slash sanctioned
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  body over the past eight seasons, but in 2001, some buddies of mine at their
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  house had what they called West Michigan Honda meet up in grand Rapids, Michigan,
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  and we were into Honda's I'm Chris and myself are still into Honda's Chris,
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  the other founder for a couple of years, we did like Random parking lot meets.
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  And then every year we'd have a West Michigan Honda meet, and it
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  would basically be three different Honda scenes of people in Michigan.
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  We were at a zoo one year.
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  We were at a park next to a river the next year.
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  And then how to meet four in 2004, we figured out you can rent a
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  racetrack if you hand them money.
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  And so we rented Gingerman Raceway for the first time in oh four.
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  Which feels like about a million years ago.
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  It was like three lifetimes worth of evolution ago.
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  It was pretty ragtag first event.
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  We'd really didn't know what we were doing.
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  And then we kept doing that event every year.
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  It evolved into a two day and then it was a weekend and then it's a three day.
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  And it became a really, really fun group of people to hang out with at a racetrack.
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  Chris said in 2013, Hey, do you want to do more events?
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  And we just kind of did this one event a year.
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  And I was instructing all over the country at road courses and we'd go to
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  different tracks all over, you know, with our other friends, but we only
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  did our one event and Chris had gotten into the concert world in Chicago.
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  He had some friends that were in like the EDM scene.
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  He and I both had friends in like the drift and autocross worlds.
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  We were both pretty much like track rat kids.
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  So we hosted this other event called grid life for the first time in 2014.
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  It was kind of like a car show, a little bit of drift stuff.
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  We kind of had like a ton of HPD at the time of kind of a rag tag time
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  attack because timing and scoring stuff like wasn't working well that year.
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  And camping and like a concert on, I think it was on Saturday night.
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  It was just a two day event.
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  Camping and concert was kind of like the thing that glued it all together.
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  It seemed like the biggest event we had ever been to at the time.
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  Like we saw some pictures of it recently and it was.
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  Pretty tiny.
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  And, uh, I mean, it was like a big track day, you know, with maybe
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  a thousand or 2000 spectators.
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  And over a few years, that event really blew up at Gingerman raceway,
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  which is sort of like our home track.
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  It's obviously the first track that we rented.
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  We branched off in 2015, I think we rent or maybe 2016, 2015.
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  I think we rented Audubon country club for the first time,
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  which is sort of local to us.
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  We were based out of Chicago.
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  We're actually going there next weekend for our track battle, Chicago round.
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  And.
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  And then I think in 2016 was the first year we went to
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  Mid Ohio and to Road Atlanta.
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  We held a festival at Road Atlanta as well for four years.
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  And those were real big events down at Road Atlanta.
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  It wasn't the best weekend.
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  It was kind of the back to school college weekend.
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  It was always a million degrees.
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  Just sort of kept evolving.
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  The time attack series has become one of the biggest in the country.
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  The rule set, which is one of my primary jobs is obviously operating the racetrack
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  and making the rules and everything.
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  The rule set has evolved a little bit, got a few more classes.
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  Uh, we're real proud of how time attack is going.
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  We've got amazing parody at the front of all the fields, pretty much every weekend.
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  Most of the weekends it's.
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  Everybody's in the same second in like the top five.
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  It's got great competition.
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  Uh, we're real happy with a lot of pieces of that, but it was a good eight
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  or nine year struggle to kind of get to where we are in a lot of aspects.
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  Our bigger events have Drift also.
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  Colorado is the festival that we've been doing for three years now, going
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  into our fourth year there at Pikes Peak International Raceway, which is
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  sort of An ex IndyCar NASCAR oval, and it's got an infield road course.
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  It's kind of like a two thirds scaled Daytona or half scale.
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  Daytona got a kind of a fun road course infield.
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  You use about three turns of the, uh, the big oval and you dropped on the infield.
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  We set up a big concert stage right next to the racetrack.
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  At night, it's a wild drift party.
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  We have lasers and lights.
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  It's a really cool spectator event because you can kind of walk around
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  the entire infield the whole time.
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  That event is one of our most drift focused events.
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  It's really, it's a touring show of, of all different
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  kinds of automotive enthusiasm.
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  Got our new wheel to wheel series, which is entering its fourth year in its
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  fourth year now grid life touring cup.
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  Yeah.
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  A lot of, a lot of moving pieces, a lot of different style events.
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  And we've really kind of been all over the country the past couple of years.
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  Yeah, we're going to expand upon all those different things as
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  we continue the conversation.
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  And I have to say, you know, humble beginnings, they sound a lot more
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  exciting than, you know, the Volkswagen guys that, you know, go behind the Dairy
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  Queen and just talk about their cars.
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  You know, we hung out with those guys too.
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  We were those guys.
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  Yeah.
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  If you gave somebody 3, 500 bucks, you could do that at a racetrack,
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  endanger your vehicles and your lives.
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  Potentially, by the way, big shout out to Gingerman Raceway who was on
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  the show during our second season.
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  So we got together with them for their 25th anniversary and they
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  actually mentioned you guys and how you're, they're the home of
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  grid light and things like that.
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  So you might want to re say that.
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  Remember the guy corrected us, Gingerman Raceway, Gingerman.
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  Zach is an interesting dude.
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  He's particular about things, but we call it Gingerman.
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  So that's fine.
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  Yeah.
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  So to clarify, sure.
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  There are differences.
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  What is the difference between grid life and the grid life festival
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  at pretty much all of our events?
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  We do a lot of the same things.
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  It's sort of like a club race weekend.
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  Typically we get some spectators and we, uh, we might have, uh, like an evening
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  barbecue party kind of thing, but the festivals are typically a day longer.
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  A lot of our events are live streamed.
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  We've been really building out a really robust live stream.
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  So they all might look the same on the live stream, but the festivals typically
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  have a much bigger camping component.
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  The big festivals in the non COVID years, they have big music production.
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  We've had all different kinds of artists play, you know, everybody
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  from, uh, Waka Flocka to Ludacris to Andrew WK to, we just had Cascade,
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  uh, last weekend up in Michigan, big EDM act for like the past 20 years.
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  And then, you know, trap and house and actual physical
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  rock where they play guitars.
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  That have play, uh, off of a computer, anything and everything
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  has played over the past eight years.
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  Those typically have a much bigger spectator camping component because
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  there's more of a festival atmosphere, you know, food trucks, all the stuff you
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  kind of talked about at the beginning.
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  And Gingerman's a great place for it because between turn two
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  and turn, basically turn five, we fill that with spectators and they
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  set up shop for the weekend, they have a big old party out there.
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  We kind of run out of room as far as driver paddock area.
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  So it's kind of the most.
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  tight, packed, crazy, full driver paddock that I've really ever been to might
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  be one of the tightest in the country.
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  It's almost annoying how tight we have to fit everybody in there, but we use
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  all the space and hopefully it doesn't rain the week before so the trucks don't
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  get stuck and uh, we threw a big party.
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  So the festivals are really more like They're across between a club race
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  weekend and like a music festival, a big car festival, that kind of thing.
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  So kind of a mishmash of a lot of different things and it uses that
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  festival component as the glue.
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  You bring all these people with the same disease and a different symptom together.
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  We had the guys from Hyperfest on.
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  Not too long ago.
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  And I'm wondering how does grid life compare for those that are familiar with
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  Hyperfest here on the East coast and who did it first and who did it best?
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  I think in a lot of the aspects of the spectator, they're probably pretty
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  similar, you know, you seeing a bunch of different automotive stuff on a racetrack.
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  I believe they started probably six or so years ahead of us.
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  They were doing, I think at summit point earlier, and they
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  moved to VIR a few years ago.
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  We've talked with Chris Cabetto a few times.
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  I think we're very different.
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  Chris and I have never, uh, my Chris, Chris Stewart, we've
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  never been to a Hyperfest.
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  I only know a few people that have, I think they serve quite
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  a bit of a different audience.
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  Yeah, I wasn't sure if you guys were inspired by Hyperfest or not, you know?
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  No, it was two events in before we actually like knew what Hyperfest was.
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  It was sort of a scene unto itself.
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  It seems like, and they've definitely exploded that event as far as the drift
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  component, especially, you know, bringing in a lot of big personalities and
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  stuff like that, they're different, but they're definitely similar in a lot of
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  different ways, same, same, but different.
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  Yeah, probably we keep saying we're going to go and see what hyperfest
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  is, but it's always within about a week or two of one of our events.
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  And we also like have small children and want to stay married.
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  So we've never been, I don't know grid life also seems to be a bit
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  of a traveling circus, right?
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  Where you've got different regions across the country that are handling grid
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  life events, like festivals, et cetera.
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  We're doing all of the events.
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  It's all in house.
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  It's all one team.
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  So that being said, do you offer the same schedule kind of events, things
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  like that at those different locations?
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  So let's.
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  Okay, so you would have track days, time attack, touring cup, drifting, et cetera,
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  at any one of the Gridlife locations?
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  For the most part, the only one this year that didn't have actual Gridlife
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  touring cup, we did a weekend out at Willow Springs, and that was much
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  more time trial and HPD focused.
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  Did not have touring cup out there.
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  We're also a support series with the touring cup at Circuit of the Americas the
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  past three years for the Super Lap battle.
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  Time attack event hosted by the global time attack guys who are kind
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  of like allies and friends of ours.
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  Touring cup has become this other thing in a few spots that is like a support series
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  that might be sort of the evolution of that series too, in some aspects, but it's
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  a really fun to watch wheel to wheel event because everybody's racing each other.
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  It's a single class of wheel to wheel.
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  Versus a lot of sprint races, they are multi class racing.
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  So you really don't know who's winning and we've condensed down the timeframe
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  and we just do it more times per weekend.
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  So we run four to five individual sprint races.
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  They're about 15 minutes flag to flag.
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  So it's a really condensed, a YouTube friendly.
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  Fun to watch.
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  You don't have to commit 45 minutes of your day to watching the race.
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  Uh, it's a quick hit, really fun to watch the field.
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  Doesn't spread out that much in a short period of time.
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  So kind of an interesting, different way to do club racing sprint racing.
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  So real proud of how easy it is to digest, you know, the person up front
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  is beating the people behind them.
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  And so you've touched on a couple of the tracks.
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  You've said ginger man, road Atlanta circuit of the Americas.
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  Mid Ohio.
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  What is GridLife's footprint?
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  Is it nationwide?
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  Like, what are some of the non listed tracks that you guys run at?
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  Talk about the different regions of GridLife, if there are any.
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  We've done three years out in California.
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  We've been building the customer and friend base out there.
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  This year was an explosive event.
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  It was huge.
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  We were real, real Pleased with the feedback we got too, because it
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  seems like California has segmented itself off into like, you know, I run
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  with speed ventures or I always run with NASA or I always run with this.
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  And we brought like everybody together in one place, it seemed because
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  we're kind of the outside coming in.
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  We broke up some clicks, which seemed to be a really cool vibe.
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  It was fun.
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  So California is kind of out on its own because it's so far away.
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  Three years at PPR, which is kind of in the middle of the country.
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  Between there and Chicago, we're going into our second year at Heartland Park in
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  Topeka, Kansas, which is an amazing track.
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  Actually, if anybody hasn't been there, it's like this amazing facility
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  everybody forgot or never heard of.
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  It's like a road America or better level facility.
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  It's really beautiful place.
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  We're actually hosting our championship there.
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  This year, because Road America, which has held our championship for
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  the past couple of years, is getting repaved on our historic date that
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  we've had, which kind of stinks.
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  But, and yeah, the Midwest has kind of always been our home.
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  We've always done one to two track battle rounds, which is our name
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  for our club race style weekend.
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  We've done one to two of those.
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  At Gingerbread Raceway per year.
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  And one of those is obviously the festival.
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  We've done one at Autobahn for the past five, six years.
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  Mid Ohio for the past four or five years.
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  The furthest we've been on the East Coast so far has been
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  Summit Point, West Virginia.
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  But this year we're doing a sort of an automotive festival at Lime Rock.
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  We've got a sound restriction free weekend at Lime Rock.
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  We're calling it Circuit Legends and we're going to try to make it.
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  More of a historic motor sports style festival for our generation, for like
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  the eighties, nineties, two thousands kids that love speed world challenge.
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  The pro and semi pro series of that era.
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  We're going to hopefully bring a bunch of those for display and for
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  like a leaderboard style time attack.
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  And it will also be a stop for our track battle series.
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  And we're going to do one at NJMP also, that'll be just
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  prior to the Lime Rock event.
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  Kind of drifting all around.
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  We were at AMP earlier this year in March, AMP Atlanta motor sports park, which is a
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  Beautiful little facility.
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  If anybody hasn't been there, uh, and then NCM a few weeks later.
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  So yeah, March and April, we're real busy.
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  We were CODA, NCM and AMP and then Willow Springs.
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  And it got a little busy there for a while.
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  It feels like it hasn't slowed down.
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  And next we're going into Chicago next weekend.
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  Like I said, a smattering all over the country, basically.
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  Not hearing Watkins Glenn in there anywhere.
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  It is really hard to get into Watkins Glenn.
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  They actually, when we said, uh, uh, via email, we have somebody that knows
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  Somebody there that like is a higher up and they put in a good word for us.
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  And the guy was like, well, probably be about 10 years
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  before it can get you a weekend.
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  That place is definitely in demand.
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  And everybody says you got to go Watkins Glen, but it's in demand for a reason.
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  Well, changing gears a little bit, since Gridlife does do HPDE events.
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  Can you talk a little bit about your HPDE program, uh, just the process
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  for being a student and advancing through the different classes?
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  How does one become a coach and instruct for gridlife?
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  You know, things like that.
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  Absolutely.
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  We actually do a bunch of HPD only events.
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  Also, we've obviously had our West Michigan Honda meet
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  event, which we've done for.
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  This is our 21st or this is our 18th year at a racetrack
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  and 21st, 22nd year doing it.
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  That's only HPD, no competition.
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  We did a few years of VTEC club time attack, but they wanted to keep VTEC
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  club on the West coast primarily, but it went pretty well and that was our
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  first foray into time attack really ever.
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  HPDE with us, it's sort of, we've evolved into more of a competition series,
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  and so it has evolved along with us.
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  It used to be the biggest part of what we did, HPDE was.
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  We obviously have kind of something for every driver level.
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  We've got beginner, intermediate, and advanced, and we've also got
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  this other group that we sometimes call novice, depending on the event.
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  Sometimes we only have room in the schedule for two run groups of HPDE.
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  So novice is sort of part beginner, part intermediate, and a lot more
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  coaching and classroom sessions.
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  Advanced HPDE, we usually have one to two classroom sessions.
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  We've got a couple of really, really good coaches and a lot of pro drivers
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  that kind of frequent our paddocks.
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  Usually a pretty in depth coaching availability.
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  Got a few pro level coaches that drive with us and sort of have
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  a clientele list that They coach individually, one on one kind of stuff.
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  And ever since 2017, we have been like a pro style coaching model versus a right
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  seat instructor model, because we did have an instructor go into the wall and break
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  his collarbone down at Road Atlantis.
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  That was right when SCCA, who we were pretty good friends with, Started
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  their track night in America model.
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  It's more of a sideline coaching and classroom based HPE.
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  And we developed along with the SCCA Ohio Valley region, figured
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  out how we wanted to do it.
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  And a bunch of our instructors actually typically do SCCA Ohio Valley region.
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  They do their PDXs also, but we developed this model.
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  It's, it's pretty.
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  Meeting intents in the morning for beginners or novices go through
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  all the basic steps, all the things from placement in the car to like
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  take the napkins out of the visor.
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  So they don't fly all over the apex, you know, all the little things about,
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  uh, you'd seen a regular meeting.
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  And then we place instructors all around the track, obviously within
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  sight lines of all the corners up in corner worker stations or next to
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  the track, you know, obviously in a safe zone, but get them all on radio.
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  They're all taking notes and talking to each other.
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  about how beginners are doing.
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  They usually have a couple of beginners a piece.
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  Usually the first session is some lead follow, and then they break out and go
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  run around on their own work up to pace on their own, at their own pace, at
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  their own skill level, comfort level.
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  After every session, they get a nice little debrief, usually video work
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  or data work, and then get coached by their coaches, their coaches are a lot
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  of people that have, they run with us.
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  We have.
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  We've got a pretty robust instructor group now.
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  I think we've got about 70 people that regularly instruct with us.
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  The model has worked incredibly well.
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  It often keeps drivers retained in the beginner program because they don't
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  feel the pressure of somebody they don't know telling them what to do.
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  They're able to work at their own pace.
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  They usually pick something to work on every session.
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  It really sets the core principles versus the drivers run seat of the pants and
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  basically just get told what to do.
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  They're working up through all the little pieces and it's pretty similar to how a
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  lot of pro schools used to do it and still do it because a lot of those schools are
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  single seater cars, you know, little, little old formula cars, et cetera.
• 18:08
  And, uh, we're real happy with.
• 18:09
  How it's been going and it's, we've beginner sells out and intermediate
• 18:13
  does fine and advanced does fine.
• 18:15
  And it's, it's, it seems like it's working.
• 18:18
  There's really no great metric to tell how it's working.
• 18:20
  Other than we're out of driver spots.
• 18:22
  Most of the time, I think it's okay.
• 18:24
  Usually pretty good feedback.
• 18:26
  I think back to my first HPDE and I had an instructor with me riding
• 18:30
  right seat who actually just saw on an airplane last year, which is strange.
• 18:33
  I hadn't talked to him in like two or three years.
• 18:35
  And then I randomly saw him on an airplane, which was kind of cool.
• 18:38
  But the instructor was basically, he was yelling at me the whole time.
• 18:42
  So I wasn't focusing.
• 18:43
  I was just doing what he said.
• 18:45
  I didn't know why I was breaking at this point and why I was throttling
• 18:49
  out at this point and why I had to turn in here and hit that cone.
• 18:53
  Area with a concrete patch on the left.
• 18:55
  I was just doing what he said.
• 18:56
  And it took me a couple of years of like back engineering, the things that he said
• 19:01
  in my brain to like, figure out why this was like early internet days for me too.
• 19:05
  So there wasn't nearly as much of a track day presence.
• 19:08
  It wasn't like a HPDs weren't nearly as much of a thing in the early two
• 19:11
  thousands, but you couldn't get all the, you know, the Ross Bentley speed secrets.
• 19:15
  You couldn't get a lot of those things.
• 19:16
  You had to actually go to go to Barnes and Noble and buy the.
• 19:18
  book and I was too broke to buy the book and I didn't know the book existed.
• 19:22
  It has brought a lot of our beginners into a comfort zone because they're
• 19:25
  not paired up with somebody and they're able to kind of do their
• 19:28
  own thing, work at their own pace.
• 19:30
  We mainly judge it based on safety and offs per session, et cetera.
• 19:35
  And we have had significantly less offs in the past four
• 19:38
  years since we've been doing it.
• 19:39
  Then we did in the four years prior.
• 19:41
  So we've had basically no hard impacts into any walls.
• 19:45
  I mean, somebody booped the wall in the rain one time at mid Ohio, which
• 19:48
  is slicker than snot in the rain, but we're real happy with the beginner safety
• 19:52
  record and hopefully it keeps going.
• 19:54
  That's kind of how we do HPD.
• 19:55
  And we also do, like I said, a bunch of.
• 19:57
  HPD only events.
• 19:58
  We do one on Cinco de Mayo at Gingerman called taco track
• 20:01
  day for the past few years.
• 20:02
  It's just a simple, basic HPD.
• 20:04
  I love simple HPDs, especially after a bunch of years of hosting really,
• 20:09
  really tight schedule race events.
• 20:11
  HPDs are just kind of a joy.
• 20:13
  Just get back to your roots a little bit, you know.
• 20:14
  Yeah, I definitely need to figure out how to get out there for taco
• 20:18
  track day for the name alone.
• 20:20
  I just want the t shirt and swag that you guys there are some really good tacos too.
• 20:26
  I mean, last year I tried one that had a thing on it called Diablo
• 20:29
  sauce, which I had never heard of.
• 20:31
  It was very spicy and it made me seek out Diablo sauce.
• 20:34
  So you find new things at the racetrack and it might not just be apexes.
• 20:39
  And it sounded like your first instructor is very similar to
• 20:42
  an instructor that I know of.
• 20:43
  That loves to drive from the right seat.
• 20:46
  I'm not going to name names or anything, but he has a pension
• 20:52
  for getting lap times down with a novice students just by driving and
• 20:57
  yelling at them from the right seat.
• 20:59
  It's a hundred percent money back guarantee.
• 21:01
  And I've never issued a refund.
• 21:02
  All right.
• 21:03
  That's all I'm going to say.
• 21:04
  It can totally be effective for sure.
• 21:07
  He exaggerates right?
• 21:08
  Seriously.
• 21:08
  But getting back to the points at hand, I want to ask this
• 21:11
  question is gridlife associated with global time attack by chance?
• 21:14
  So we've been friends with Jason and, uh, and the team
• 21:17
  over there for a bunch of years.
• 21:18
  Ever since we started, Chris and JD knew each other a little bit.
• 21:23
  And Jason, who's sort of their lead over there at GTA.
• 21:27
  He encouraged us to kind of have a similar rule set as a base series, because
• 21:31
  obviously we both wanted to build the sport and the series of Time Attack.
• 21:35
  So we sort of started with their rule set with a few mods.
• 21:38
  So we're not really affiliated, but we started at their
• 21:42
  encouragement from a similar place.
• 21:44
  And we do share a lot of drivers, a lot of the higher level drivers, they
• 21:47
  drive all the way out to California to compete, or a bunch of their
• 21:49
  drivers drive out to us to compete.
• 21:51
  And I really think it's pretty cool that at first the driver Pools
• 21:55
  were a little bit adversarial.
• 21:56
  It was kind of an us versus them.
• 21:58
  And now it's definitely not that, especially since we've been kind of
• 22:01
  co hosting the circuit of the Americas event for the past three years.
• 22:04
  It's really kind of unified those two driver pools, which has been great.
• 22:07
  We're loosely affiliated more of friends with them.
• 22:10
  We started a thing a few years ago called the North American time attack council.
• 22:14
  N A T A dot.
• 22:15
  Org I think is the website and with them and with the SCCA who had just gotten
• 22:19
  into a national level time trials push and SCCA is actually the sanctioning body
• 22:24
  for them for GTA and for super lap battle.
• 22:26
  So yeah, NATA, we bought that website a bunch of years ago, kind of as a us
• 22:31
  versus them, like let's be national instead of global, like, and then
• 22:34
  we kind of decided that it would be.
• 22:36
  In the words of Hayward Wagner from SCCA, it would probably be
• 22:39
  better for us to build more ovens instead of slice this pie thinner.
• 22:42
  We need to make more pies.
• 22:44
  And so we've been kind of trying to build the, the sport and hobby
• 22:47
  of time trials and time attack all together, thought leadership and
• 22:51
  date sharing and stuff like that.
• 22:52
  That's definitely been a, that's been a solid partnership and, and
• 22:56
  friendship with those two orgs.
• 22:57
  There's lots of different disciplines being represented at Gridlife.
• 23:00
  Like we said, track days, time attack, the touring cup, drifting, etc.
• 23:03
  So when's Gridlife going to add autocross to the mix?
• 23:06
  Somebody just asked me about that on Sunday, actually.
• 23:09
  It's never been a thing that we've thought about doing because other
• 23:13
  people do it very, very well.
• 23:14
  And man, it's hard to secure a place to do an autocross.
• 23:17
  What about the concept of track cross?
• 23:19
  That's an interesting concept to me.
• 23:21
  I would love to do one.
• 23:22
  I've never actually done one.
• 23:23
  I keep meaning to run an SCCA TT event and I want to go to the TT
• 23:27
  Nats quite badly with my own car because, and they do track cross, you
• 23:31
  know, they do a bunch of different disciplines inside of that weekend or
• 23:33
  any of those TT Nats style weekends.
• 23:35
  We're sort of out of track time at most events.
• 23:37
  We do have something new coming up pretty soon.
• 23:40
  It's unannounced.
• 23:41
  Right now we're poking into the world of running for more than
• 23:45
  20 minutes at a time, but not running seven hours at a time.
• 23:49
  We're going to dip our toes into the longer races world.
• 23:53
  And that's a rule set that's not quite published yet, but it's just about done.
• 23:57
  You know, we just secured a weekend out in Pittsburgh at pit race.
• 24:00
  That's sort of something that's upcoming with Gridlife.
• 24:03
  So I'm not going to give any spoilers.
• 24:06
  But there might be slightly longer races, not seven hour enduros,
• 24:10
  but maybe some longer ones coming.
• 24:11
  But autocross is a thing that I started out doing a bunch of years ago.
• 24:15
  When we got busy hosting events, I stopped doing it.
• 24:18
  Schedules are hard to do and raising a family and working
• 24:20
  two jobs and stuff is tough.
• 24:22
  It was always fun except for when I got lost in the cones
• 24:25
  because I like did it wrong.
• 24:27
  Windy City Miata Club had some really intricate tight courses
• 24:31
  and there was one where I DNF'd.
• 24:34
  I literally did the course wrong six times in a row before I figured out
• 24:37
  what I was doing wrong because my worker position like allowed me to see that
• 24:42
  I was going to the left instead of the right of that one cone, you know.
• 24:45
  Autocross is very cool.
• 24:47
  It's just something that we've never done though.
• 24:48
  Your mention of the slightly longer races, we're going to call them that right.
• 24:52
  The SLR slightly longer races.
• 24:54
  SLR.
• 24:55
  That's actually not a bad little, I might maybe use that and say that I,
• 24:58
  uh, but I didn't steal it from you.
• 25:00
  You might have to give money to Mercedes for that.
• 25:02
  Yeah.
• 25:03
  Yeah.
• 25:03
  Right.
• 25:03
  We accept donations in the form of crypto and Patreon.
• 25:06
  So it's all good.
• 25:07
  I don't know if we want crypto right now.
• 25:09
  Yeah, that's true.
• 25:10
  If you get it right now, maybe it'll be worth something in the future.
• 25:12
  You never know.
• 25:13
  There you go.
• 25:13
  The pit race event, there will be some HPD and then probably a three class
• 25:18
  rule set of not regular, you know, turn the flag on at eight and shut it
• 25:23
  off and go check our flag at five kind of Enduro, but more of a different
• 25:28
  style of experience where there's.
• 25:29
  A shorter sprint race and like a three hour enduro and that sort of thing.
• 25:33
  More of like a team driving experience where it's not quite, you know, burn the
• 25:37
  car to the ground and rebuild it after, you know, the entire weekend of driving,
• 25:41
  something that we're going to try out, we're kind of excited about the rule set.
• 25:44
  It should be kind of a cool way to show a bunch of HPD drivers,
• 25:48
  a couple of different aspects.
• 25:49
  Of wheel to wheel as well.
• 25:50
  There'll be some sprint elements and qualifying elements, some pit stop stuff.
• 25:54
  It should be a fun weekend to kind of relax at the track in
• 25:56
  October when supposedly it's pretty beautiful down there.
• 25:59
  So we're excited to announce that pretty soon.
• 26:01
  So actually that's a great segue to expand upon the GLTC, the grid life
• 26:05
  touring cup for the people that are hearing about this for the first time.
• 26:09
  Is it club racing?
• 26:11
  And if so, so how is it broken down classing wise?
• 26:15
  Because if you're familiar with SCCA and NASA classing rules,
• 26:18
  they can get very complicated.
• 26:20
  It can be races of, you know, three cars or 30 cars, or maybe 50 cars.
• 26:24
  If it's spec Miata, how do you guys break down your touring cup?
• 26:29
  So Turing Cup is one class.
• 26:31
  In about 2015, I started working on rules because I was running
• 26:36
  a Honda challenge with NASA and SCCA STL, a super Turing light.
• 26:41
  And I also raced improved Turing A for a while on an old CRX that I had.
• 26:45
  And Chris and I, and some other buddies had done 24 hour lemons.
• 26:49
  Some champ car events.
• 26:50
  So we'd kind of competed in a bunch of different things.
• 26:52
  The things that I didn't like about sprint racing with SCCA and NASA, it
• 26:57
  wasn't an easy thing to put my finger on.
• 26:59
  So I thought about it for a long time.
• 27:00
  And the biggest things I didn't like was that as a spectator, my wife or
• 27:04
  my friends that were with me at the track, never knew who was winning.
• 27:07
  There was too many cars out there and there was six classes,
• 27:10
  three classes, five classes.
• 27:11
  Mixed class racing.
• 27:12
  It obviously is something that you have to do in like a regional club
• 27:16
  race environment, and I thought.
• 27:18
  I don't want to do that.
• 27:18
  So we kind of rolled the dice and built one class.
• 27:21
  And the sweet spot that we picked was a rough 12 and a half
• 27:24
  to one power to weight ratio.
• 27:26
  Basically you take your horsepower and you divide by 0.
• 27:29
  08, your wheel horsepower on a dyno jet.
• 27:31
  That is your rough weight with driver that you need to be at the end of the race.
• 27:35
  And for the first few years, we allowed a mixed bag of tires.
• 27:38
  You could run Hoosiers and but they had to be Hoosiers similar, you know, they
• 27:41
  have, but they had to be narrower and you had to run heavier than if you ran
• 27:45
  200 treadwear and you can run a wider 200 treadwear versus a narrower Hoosier, etc.
• 27:50
  And the balance was pretty good.
• 27:51
  But this year we actually jumped to 200 tread wear only, and not all
• 27:56
  the 200 tread wears, just an allowed block of 200 tread wears that we
• 27:59
  knew would race pretty similarly.
• 28:01
  And we've really seen the fields stay nice and close.
• 28:03
  And obviously tire budgets are down a little bit for people.
• 28:06
  The crazy people still want to run two different sets a weekend or three
• 28:09
  different sets a weekend, but...
• 28:10
  You can't control racers from spending money.
• 28:12
  It's hard to do, but, but yeah, it's a single class of wheel to wheel.
• 28:16
  Everybody out there is, is racing each other.
• 28:18
  So there's a practice, a qual cars with arrow.
• 28:21
  They have to be a little bit heavier.
• 28:22
  A splitter is 3%, a wing is 3 percent heavier.
• 28:25
  There's no underbody flat stuff.
• 28:27
  You can really be creative with engine swaps.
• 28:29
  The rules were built around like the rule set that we really wanted to have.
• 28:33
  If we were building a car for it, I actually was building a car for it.
• 28:36
  At the time it's based around kind of the tuner mindset of like a tinkerer, build
• 28:41
  your best mousetrap kind of mindset.
• 28:42
  So we see a huge variety of cars.
• 28:44
  Race one is obviously the results of qualifying.
• 28:47
  So fastest in qual starts up front.
• 28:49
  Uh, and works their way back, slowest in qual starts at the back.
• 28:52
  And then race two is based on the fastest lap time of each driver of race one.
• 28:58
  Race three is based on the finishing order of race two.
• 29:02
  And then race four is based on the order of race three with a random invert.
• 29:08
  of the basically the top 12 lines and there's a random number generator at the
• 29:13
  start of race 3 that's it and then it tells us what number the invert is so p8
• 29:18
  and forward is the invert or p7 forward is the invert because we don't want the
• 29:22
  drivers to know what the invert is because we don't want people racing for p8 we
• 29:26
  want them all racing as hard as they can There's rewards weight inside the weekend.
• 29:29
  Uh, there's a maximum of 6 percent rewards weight.
• 29:32
  And so if you win a couple of races, you run in 6 percent heavier
• 29:34
  than you were at qualifying.
• 29:36
  And recently we have acquired a two wheel drive chassis dyno.
• 29:39
  And so there is a dyno for impound.
• 29:42
  There's obviously scales for impound and scrutineering as far as.
• 29:44
  Build and vent choice and all that kind of stuff.
• 29:47
  You got to make sure your car is built to the rules.
• 29:49
  It's became a very high level of sprint club racing.
• 29:52
  Yeah.
• 29:52
  It's really good that you guys are dyno testing after a session and my
• 29:56
  intercooler is completely saturated.
• 29:58
  So I'll be down on power anyway.
• 29:59
  That's good.
• 30:00
  Good plan.
• 30:01
  We've thought about that.
• 30:02
  We've got some really good fans.
• 30:04
  We know how this works.
• 30:05
  Uh huh.
• 30:06
  So that being said, the point system must be absolutely insane because the Corvettes
• 30:11
  with 900 horsepower are always going to beat the Miatas with 90 horsepower.
• 30:15
  So how do you do a balance of power here?
• 30:18
  Or do you implement a PAC system like SCCA tends to use?
• 30:21
  No, we do have a bunch of Corvettes that run with us.
• 30:24
  Last year, the very last race of the season determined the season champion.
• 30:29
  And it was between a four cylinder Civic.
• 30:31
  And I think he's got a six liter Corvette, but it's a power to weight class.
• 30:35
  You don't want to have a 900 horsepower Corvette because I think it would
• 30:39
  have to weigh 12, 000 pounds in GLTC.
• 30:42
  Um, so these, these Corvettes.
• 30:44
  Often they're doing a dry sump and it's a built motor, but they're
• 30:47
  running a drive by wire throttle body.
• 30:49
  And so that thing makes 225 right?
• 30:53
  And it also makes 225 horsepower at 7, 000 rpms.
• 30:57
  So they're running about as flat of a power band as you can get.
• 31:00
  The power band rules are, it's a judged power band rule this year.
• 31:04
  It used to be three to 6 percent adder for power band, depending
• 31:08
  on how flat it was on any detuned engine, we review dino sheets and
• 31:11
  we issue a percentage modifiers.
• 31:13
  Say you had 4, 000 RPMs of flat power on your Corvette.
• 31:17
  You're going to run about five to 6 percent heavier than like a K series
• 31:22
  swapped S 2000 or a stock motor S 2000 or a BP engine Miata, or.
• 31:27
  Whatever that is a full effort tune.
• 31:30
  If you're both making 225 horsepower, the super flat power band is
• 31:33
  going to run 5 percent heavier.
• 31:35
  And we've seen a really, really solid parody.
• 31:37
  We measure parody and we have a half a dozen aim solos that we put in
• 31:41
  different cars throughout the session.
• 31:43
  We also claim data from anybody with an aim data system.
• 31:46
  And we have literally our buddy, Scott Malloy, his job
• 31:49
  is pull data, compare data.
• 31:51
  We want to see who's cheating on data.
• 31:53
  And we also want to measure parity for future rules creation.
• 31:57
  And the parity that we're looking for is straight line acceleration.
• 31:59
  On like an AIM system, you can overlay those acceleration curves,
• 32:03
  the ramp angle on acceleration.
• 32:05
  And it doesn't even matter if somebody got a bad exit out of a corner, you
• 32:08
  can judge the angle of acceleration and you can see what cars are too good.
• 32:13
  We've seen unbelievable parody the last couple of years,
• 32:16
  and it's only getting better.
• 32:17
  The main goal of the rules creation is to let anything race anything.
• 32:22
  If it's inside of our box and we've seen just about anything.
• 32:25
  I mean, we've seen all wheel drive Audis, naturally aspirated Subarus,
• 32:29
  swapped VWs, tons of swapped Miatas.
• 32:32
  Stock motor Miatas, D series, B series, K series, H series, F series,
• 32:37
  Hondas, anything and everything.
• 32:38
  V8 Camaros, V8 Corvettes.
• 32:40
  We've even had a V8 Miata.
• 32:43
  So there's a lot of different cars out there in GLTC.
• 32:46
  A couple of years ago, SCCA adopted the idea of bracket racing, a concept
• 32:50
  that's known more to the drag racing community than to sprint racers
• 32:54
  and time attack people and so on.
• 32:56
  But it was very well received because it eliminated a lot of the
• 32:58
  confusion and a lot of the complexity.
• 33:01
  On their previous classing systems.
• 33:02
  And even this classing system, as much as you simplified it, there's a lot
• 33:06
  of underlying complexity here that you have to understand to know where
• 33:10
  you're going to end up, or if the mods that you're making are going to either
• 33:13
  help you or hinder you, you know, how many bags of cement am I putting in
• 33:16
  the trunk of my car to make a weight?
• 33:18
  Basically, why not adopt bracket racing instead of the system you have today?
• 33:24
  Because I wanted it to be a raw, I'm racing that person.
• 33:27
  I wanted everybody on the spectator side to know that the
• 33:30
  person in P1 is racing for P1.
• 33:34
  I wanted short sprint racing and we've really found what we wanted out of it.
• 33:38
  It is some of the most exciting club racing, amateur racing I've ever seen.
• 33:42
  To me, it's more exciting to watch a recap of a GLTC race on YouTube than it
• 33:47
  is to watch pretty much any pro racing series, unless you get one of those.
• 33:50
  Crazy freak IMSA or SRO races that it's just super close and
• 33:54
  they've fallen a great battle.
• 33:55
  We've got great battles throughout the entire field.
• 33:58
  And we wanted to have that raw intensity of the first lap and
• 34:01
  the last lap of a sprint race.
• 34:03
  And we wanted them to only be about six laps apart.
• 34:06
  And we wanted everybody out there to be in that same battle with bracket stuff.
• 34:11
  It just doesn't work quite as well for sprint racing that we've seen.
• 34:14
  It's really up to how sandbagging were you in qualifying, et cetera.
• 34:18
  We wanted it to be a full comparable parody across the entire field.
• 34:23
  Last weekend at Gingerbread Raceway, we had 57 cars racing everything from
• 34:27
  a BMW to an S10 pickup to a Honda Odyssey minivan racing touring cup,
• 34:31
  and they're all running about the same acceleration curves, really fun to watch.
• 34:35
  It's really intense to compete in.
• 34:38
  It's really the best racing I've ever competed in.
• 34:40
  It's some of the most fun racing I've ever watched.
• 34:43
  We're pretty proud of the formula and we, we tried to take a different
• 34:46
  approach to it as far as the formula of classing, how you get a car to
• 34:50
  make the same speed, but also like the interesting layout of the weekend itself.
• 34:54
  It makes for really good parody in the top 10, top 15.
• 34:57
  They're all usually within like the same third of a second.
• 35:01
  I think at mid Ohio last year, the top 12 were all within like.
• 35:04
  Same two tenths of a second, the parody is definitely there.
• 35:08
  It's just a matter of what mousetrap do you want to build to win?
• 35:11
  So it's, it's a fun builders class and it's really, it's a pretty
• 35:14
  intense class to compete into.
• 35:16
  So what about the guy that is used to running NASA and SCCA and has his
• 35:20
  spec Miata, and he comes to a GLTC event, he can only do so much for the
• 35:24
  car, he physically can't change it outside the parameters of his spec
• 35:27
  class, because that invalidates his other series that he's a part of.
• 35:31
  How does he, or she rank?
• 35:33
  When they come to a GLTC event, when they can't mod the vehicle, are they
• 35:37
  always going to be in P57 because they're literally the slowest car out there?
• 35:41
  So are they competitive?
• 35:42
  A spec Miata that's to the letter of spec Miata rules is probably going to either
• 35:47
  have to pull a bunch of weight out.
• 35:49
  And they're going to have to put some 200 tread wear tires
• 35:51
  on, or they're going to run.
• 35:52
  Yeah, we, they're going to run a little bit towards the back.
• 35:54
  We have seen a, basically a stock motor BP and the Miata run on the top 10.
• 35:59
  It was very, very light.
• 36:01
  It was a lot lighter than the spec Miata would be.
• 36:03
  Most of the cars don't have a built motor or anything in GLTC.
• 36:07
  Definitely became a class of its own.
• 36:09
  So there's a lot of people building to the class.
• 36:11
  Cars that could catch easily from other sanctioning bodies would be most
• 36:16
  anything in the super touring light or super touring under category in SCCA.
• 36:22
  We've had some E production cars run really well with
• 36:24
  minor changes or no changes.
• 36:26
  Got a couple of F production cars run really well.
• 36:28
  And Tegra, Kevin Ruck, who's a multi time runoff champion has ran.
• 36:33
  in gltc and he was in the top 10 right out of the box.
• 36:36
  He was just using it for testing weekend and ran really well.
• 36:38
  There's a lot of parity in those classes in SCCA.
• 36:41
  We have had some GTL cars run from SCCA because there is an
• 36:45
  allowance for tube frame cars.
• 36:47
  It's a 4 percent modifier for tube frame cars and that's
• 36:50
  brought out a couple of GTL cars.
• 36:51
  Which are like the mini tiny NASCARs, you know, usually based on a CRX or a Sentra.
• 36:55
  Cool builds.
• 36:56
  And then in NASA world, GTS three, GTS two cars, maybe with some power taken out.
• 37:01
  We've got about a half a dozen spec E46 guys that run with us frequently.
• 37:05
  We've had a few Honda challenge two and Honda challenge one cars run.
• 37:08
  The biggest thing that we really made a push for, this is years ago.
• 37:12
  And we started at 29.
• 37:15
  Team or 18 was our first year.
• 37:16
  I can't remember.
• 37:16
  And the biggest thing we wanted to do was show sprint racing to the next generation
• 37:21
  of racers that weren't really enamored with the current offerings that weren't
• 37:26
  drawn to something, but we're in our paddock, like they were already there.
• 37:30
  They're already spectating.
• 37:31
  They're already driving time attack with us.
• 37:33
  They were already running HPD with us.
• 37:34
  We've really built most of these drivers from within and from.
• 37:38
  Spectators watching this have jumped into HPD and they ran time attack a year
• 37:42
  later or two years later, and they just built their first GLTC car this year.
• 37:46
  It's a, that's a story we've heard half a dozen times, even this year,
• 37:49
  inside of every weekend, we wanted to make the driver licensing.
• 37:53
  very accessible versus sometimes to get a license and other sanctioning
• 37:57
  bodies, you got to show up first thing in March with a car and you run this
• 38:00
  really intense program for a day or two, or you can only do it this weekend.
• 38:04
  You can only do it that weekend.
• 38:05
  We built an, an in weekend, no cost, no loss of track
• 38:08
  time driver licensing program.
• 38:10
  And my buddy Scott Giles is sort of in charge of that.
• 38:12
  We call it comp evaluation and it's a bunch of classroom.
• 38:15
  It's coaching throughout the weekend.
• 38:17
  You obviously have to be a vetted driver.
• 38:18
  We're not going to teach anybody how to drive on a racetrack.
• 38:21
  It's not a start from zero comp school.
• 38:23
  You really need to be an advanced or instructor level HPD driver, or
• 38:26
  somebody has driven time trials or time attack with us, or been vetted
• 38:29
  by one of our sister organizations, or somebody that has raced with other
• 38:33
  groups or hasn't raced in 10 years.
• 38:35
  But did it a bunch of years ago, the kids went to college time to race again.
• 38:38
  Those are all stories that we've heard.
• 38:40
  We strive for like a no contact, no crash race series.
• 38:43
  So we really try to put everybody through a classroom portion and it's pretty
• 38:48
  intense laying out expectations, laying out what we want to see out of the racing.
• 38:52
  So we do kind of an in weekend comp school every weekend.
• 38:55
  We've seen good success with that.
• 38:57
  It's approachable.
• 38:58
  The biggest thing that I'm proud of in GLTC is we've put a hundred and I think
• 39:02
  110 people through that comp school.
• 39:04
  So those are racers that hadn't raced anywhere else, might not have raced
• 39:08
  anywhere else, and now they are wheel to wheel racers, like, like I said
• 39:11
  earlier, we're not trying to rob pieces of the pie from NASA or SCCA.
• 39:15
  We are trying to make more pies.
• 39:18
  I think sprint racing, club racing is.
• 39:20
  The coolest thing.
• 39:21
  It's also one of the most strenuous things that I've ever had to be on
• 39:24
  the officiating side of, but it's an amazing thing to watch and it's
• 39:28
  an amazing thing to experience.
• 39:30
  It's one of those things that you will remember until you're not here anymore.
• 39:33
  You'll tell stories to your grandkids when you're not doing it.
• 39:35
  And, uh, I wanted to show that to a bunch of people that really didn't know
• 39:39
  it was approachable because we have this social media presence and this portal
• 39:44
  to a young generation of car enthusiasts that they're following us because of
• 39:47
  festivals or car shows or whatever.
• 39:49
  And I wanted them to know that they could do this.
• 39:51
  They have figured it out.
• 39:53
  They've seen it.
• 39:53
  We have people competing that.
• 39:55
  Would have never competed with somebody else.
• 39:57
  Obviously we've got some friends that race elsewhere.
• 39:58
  Also.
• 39:59
  I don't think we've really robbed anybody, stolen them full time to run
• 40:03
  grid life, GLTC versus somebody else.
• 40:05
  That's not the goal to me.
• 40:06
  That is the short sighted goal.
• 40:08
  It's a bad way to build a series.
• 40:09
  We've really wanted to build drivers from drivers that wouldn't have gotten there.
• 40:14
  And I think largely that's been what we've gotten.
• 40:16
  We might've robbed our time trial and time attack audience a little
• 40:19
  bit, but we've had nothing but sold out time attack events.
• 40:22
  So I'm not too stressed.
• 40:25
  So that being said, does the time attack series borrow the same
• 40:28
  classing from the GLTC series?
• 40:30
  Or is it different?
• 40:31
  It's quite a bit different.
• 40:32
  There's the traditional street, street mod, track mod, and unlimited.
• 40:35
  And those are kind of a graduated level of modifications.
• 40:38
  Those were our base for classes street is like bolt ons and.
• 40:43
  Smaller 200 treadwear tires street mod is you can do some engine swaps.
• 40:47
  You can add a turbo to your S2000, but you're still on 285 or less.
• 40:51
  All wheel drives 255 or less tires.
• 40:53
  Currently track mod is like unlimited on 60 treadwear or higher and not as
• 40:58
  much aero, but you can do a lot of aero.
• 40:59
  It's sort of the tweener class.
• 41:01
  That's the one that's getting rethunk next year.
• 41:03
  And unlimited is basically, was your car sold at a dealership?
• 41:06
  At one point you did all kinds of things that doesn't fit anywhere else.
• 41:09
  And you've got a wing the size of your trailer, like the big, wild, crazy cars.
• 41:14
  We've got a couple other classes that are kind of in the middle of those though,
• 41:17
  club TR, which stands for track rat.
• 41:19
  It's sort of like GLTC level modifications.
• 41:23
  Like you can do a lot of different things, but you have to kind
• 41:25
  of fit inside this other box.
• 41:27
  Not exactly, but a lot of GLTC cars could run in club TR it's
• 41:30
  a two 55 or less Falcon tire.
• 41:33
  And you can do engine swaps, four cylinders.
• 41:35
  There's a few six and five cylinders that are allowed.
• 41:38
  But they have to be unopened internally.
• 41:40
  It's got the same arrow rules as GLTC.
• 41:43
  It's really more for like kind of the cars that didn't fit anywhere in our
• 41:46
  time trials and time attack classing.
• 41:48
  Our most popular class is called Sunday cup.
• 41:50
  I don't know if you ever played grand Turismo back in the day with the slow cars
• 41:54
  that were Honda fits and stuff like that.
• 41:56
  The B spec cars.
• 41:57
  Yeah, it's.
• 41:58
  Basically B spect on 200 tread wear falcons can run in Sunday cup under
• 42:02
  current B spect classing rules, but Sunday Cup is largely Honda fits Mazda twos.
• 42:07
  We've got Kia Rios and all they can do is a 2 0 5 Falcon.
• 42:11
  They can do a single dampening adjustable coil over, they can do intake exhaust
• 42:15
  and they have to fit in a 25 and a half to one power to weight ratio.
• 42:19
  I think it's 25 and a half to one.
• 42:20
  I write all these rules and I forget what they are, but it's roughly, you
• 42:23
  know, an average American driver.
• 42:25
  In a Honda Fit or in a Mini or in a Kia Rio or something
• 42:30
  like that is roughly 25 to 1.
• 42:32
  So that's really one of our most popular classes.
• 42:35
  It's super fun to watch because they're all so slow in a straight line.
• 42:38
  These drivers are animals in the back section of the racetrack, and
• 42:42
  they're usually doing it nose to tail, about four cars in a row bumping
• 42:45
  each other down the back straight.
• 42:47
  And that's a really, really fun class to be in because it's attainable.
• 42:50
  It's approachable.
• 42:51
  You have to spend all your money doing it.
• 42:53
  You can drive the car to the racetrack.
• 42:54
  A Honda fit can swallow like eight tires and a Jack tent and everything.
• 42:59
  It's a attainable, approachable and sustainable class.
• 43:02
  It's really fun to watch.
• 43:03
  It's fun to compete in my daily driver car is a Honda fit.
• 43:06
  That is a little bit Sunday cupped out.
• 43:08
  I got P4 at road America last year, not bragging.
• 43:10
  It's just a fun little class to watch fun class to drive in that class is
• 43:14
  now a part of the one lap of America.
• 43:16
  We've convinced Brock Yates jr.
• 43:18
  To.
• 43:19
  Let that be one of the classes sponsored one lap of America Sunday cup had
• 43:23
  four cars running around and they had the best time this year in May.
• 43:26
  It's a, it's a cool class.
• 43:27
  That's one of my favorite classes to watch.
• 43:30
  We've also got some unsubscribed classes that are out there, but
• 43:33
  haven't, we haven't seen many yet.
• 43:34
  Like track battle EV is for like the build it yourself.
• 43:38
  EVs that kind of go up Pike's peak.
• 43:40
  Sometimes in the hill climb, we've had a few of them and super unlimited is
• 43:43
  for basically tube frame NASCARs, which When we go to Wisconsin to Road America,
• 43:47
  there's always half a dozen ARCA cars and, uh, ASA cars that run with us.
• 43:50
  Yeah.
• 43:51
  Those are our core classes in Time Attack.
• 43:53
  We usually have about an 80 to 120 car field.
• 43:55
  So usually everybody's competing with 10 to 15 cars in class.
• 43:59
  Generally a really fun.
• 44:00
  Place to try to beat your best lap.
• 44:03
  So you're, you're running up against a bunch of buddies trying
• 44:05
  to fix each other's blown up stuff.
• 44:07
  All my good vibes in the paddock, especially when people are yanking
• 44:10
  the heads of a Honda K series motors and changing the transmissions,
• 44:13
  which tends to be a theme, a lot of K series transmission.
• 44:16
  All right.
• 44:16
  Well, I want to switch gears a little bit and talk about something
• 44:20
  that's really interesting to me.
• 44:22
  Drifting.
• 44:23
  I'm fascinated by drifting.
• 44:24
  I know it's a, I'd say relatively new in the U S but gaining popularity in the U S.
• 44:30
  So how did it become a part of grid life?
• 44:31
  I think it was in 2011, Chris was directing a music video.
• 44:36
  He was an art director for a big advertising agency.
• 44:39
  And he was also friends with.
• 44:41
  A bunch of people in the Chicago music scene.
• 44:42
  One of them was the group Flostradamus back in the day, and he was directing
• 44:47
  their video for, I forget the name of the song, but there's a bunch of drift
• 44:51
  cars in the video, and so he found a bunch of friends in the drift world.
• 44:54
  And we obviously knew what drift was, but we had never done anything with it.
• 44:57
  And he made a bunch of friends in that world directing this music
• 45:00
  video, which was pretty cool.
• 45:02
  I think it was the first or second gridlife.
• 45:04
  I can't remember the first one we had drift at.
• 45:06
  It might've been gridlife two in 2015 when he was like, well, we're
• 45:10
  going to bring drift cars there also.
• 45:12
  I was like, Oh, come on.
• 45:13
  Cause I was this uppity track rat kid that didn't know anything about drift
• 45:16
  cars and didn't know that it was.
• 45:18
  Maybe the coolest thing that I had never seen yet, my jaw dropped.
• 45:21
  The first time I saw Ryan Turk, who's a pro drifter, one of the
• 45:24
  most famous drifters on the planet.
• 45:26
  He came to our Midwest festival, I think in 2015, and he entered turn one at
• 45:31
  like a hundred miles an hour sideways, and he pulled it off in his old street
• 45:34
  car, which is like a two Jay Z crazy 900 horsepower Toyota 86 or whatever.
• 45:39
  You know, BRZ, the drift scene at grid life at festivals.
• 45:43
  And we also do a smaller version of open track drift at Audubon country club.
• 45:47
  We're the only ones that have ever drifted Audubon.
• 45:49
  We're actually going to have a pro demo at Lime Rock.
• 45:52
  So we'll be the first people to ever have a drift car at Lime Rock.
• 45:55
  Which is going to be wild.
• 45:56
  We also do a bunch of drift out of horse thief mile out of Willow
• 45:59
  Springs the last few years, which is kind of their dedicated drift and
• 46:01
  motorcycle track up on the mountain.
• 46:03
  But the drift scene in grid life is different at every event at the festivals,
• 46:06
  especially it's became a pretty cool place for everybody from an amateur who's
• 46:12
  pretty good to like the top level pros in the U S and they kind of all mixed
• 46:17
  together and it's just party drifting.
• 46:19
  There's no competition.
• 46:20
  It's no egos.
• 46:21
  They're just trying to put on a good show for the spectators
• 46:23
  and have fun with their buddies.
• 46:25
  It's different than a lot of the competition groups.
• 46:27
  There's a bunch of different groups around the country that have feeder series for
• 46:30
  the formula drift, or, you know, their, their, their own pro series, you know,
• 46:34
  clutch kickers down in Florida, et cetera.
• 46:35
  It's really became like a nice melting pot for the drift community.
• 46:39
  A lot of these drivers, the younger drivers that, you know, they grew up.
• 46:42
  The last 10 years watching Formula Drift.
• 46:45
  And now they get to literally drive on Gingerman or PPR or road Atlanta
• 46:49
  with the people that they watched last weekend run at English town.
• 46:53
  It's a cool place for drift.
• 46:55
  I think a lot of the pros use it as part of what they pitched to their sponsors.
• 46:59
  It's like a part of their season.
• 47:00
  They they're.
• 47:00
  Gonna do the grid life festivals and they're also gonna do FD
• 47:03
  or clutch kickers or whatever.
• 47:04
  But we have drifters that drive there.
• 47:05
  They drive from Detroit all the way to to Gingerman and they ship a
• 47:09
  bunch of tires in and they thrash on their two 40 throughout the weekend.
• 47:12
  Definitely not a place to learn to drift.
• 47:14
  It's kind of a cool mix of drivers and talents and personalities and.
• 47:19
  You know, the goal we're trying to pull off is like thing that we
• 47:21
  create is like vibes and smiles.
• 47:24
  So we're trying to make good vibes in the campground area because the people that
• 47:28
  are camped along the racetrack, they throw the best parties and they want to watch
• 47:31
  drift and they want to watch GLTC and we want to put on a good show for them.
• 47:35
  And we also want to really.
• 47:36
  Put on a good vibe in the paddock.
• 47:37
  We want everybody to get to know your new best friend.
• 47:40
  And you find your new best friend often at the racetrack because you
• 47:44
  accidentally parked next to them.
• 47:45
  Some of the best friends that I have, I met in parking lot and
• 47:48
  I met in racetrack and some of the most interesting people too.
• 47:51
  So like we're trying to put on best weekend ever.
• 47:53
  If we can put on the best weekend ever for a small percentage of the people
• 47:57
  that come to every grid life, I think.
• 47:58
  We're nailing it.
• 47:59
  It's just another piece of what we do.
• 48:01
  And it's a cool show for spectators too.
• 48:03
  If you've never seen pro level drifting, it's absolutely insanity.
• 48:06
  It's just insanity.
• 48:07
  Especially with some of the demo cars, like Chris Forsberg and his
• 48:10
  Ultimaniac four seat tube frame Ultima, with like 2000 motor.
• 48:15
  It's just nuts.
• 48:16
  It doesn't even look like it's trying hard and it's putting off
• 48:18
  more smoke than you can see through.
• 48:20
  It's insanity.
• 48:21
  But it's also, if they do it right, The racetrack is still pretty clear and we can
• 48:25
  run some HPD sessions right behind them.
• 48:27
  Just another piece of what we do.
• 48:28
  Like I said earlier, it's the same disease, but it's just kind of a
• 48:31
  different symptom in the automotive enthusiasm realm, you know, I'm
• 48:35
  revved up for the next grid life.
• 48:36
  And for those of you that are listening and hearing about this for the first time,
• 48:40
  I don't know what rock you've been under, but you're probably wondering where can
• 48:44
  I sign up for the next grid life event?
• 48:46
  And that's the big question.
• 48:47
  So are we able to register for grid life events on something like MSR?
• 48:52
  Which we're used to for other track day events, time attacks, and so on.
• 48:55
  Or do you register through the grid life website?
• 48:57
  And the bigger question, the ultimate question, how much does it generally cost?
• 49:01
  Is it by motorsport discipline or is there one cost for the entire weekend?
• 49:06
  Is there some sort of all you can eat different spectator fees?
• 49:09
  How does all this break down for somebody looking to come
• 49:11
  to the next grid life event?
• 49:13
  So cost wise, we try to stay in line with.
• 49:15
  other similar organizations for a three day and four day, depending on what
• 49:19
  class you're running in at gingerbread raceway, it was under 500 drifters.
• 49:23
  They don't run as much seat times.
• 49:25
  I think they were in the 2 range and spectators.
• 49:28
  It totally varies whether you want to buy VIP or you just want to show up for
• 49:32
  Saturday afternoon, you know, anything from like 60 bucks up to that's with.
• 49:36
  Two nights of headlining music and up to, you can spend a couple hundred
• 49:39
  dollars getting the track side camping and lighting and all that kind of stuff.
• 49:43
  Several of our events are usually on sale on MSR.
• 49:47
  Also grid dot life is the main website.
• 49:49
  There's links to all the events there.
• 49:51
  We often sell through both.
• 49:53
  pieces.
• 49:54
  MSR is one place we sell and we also use our own ticketing service.
• 49:57
  It's pretty easy to buy a ticket, should be multiple places you can find it.
• 50:01
  Don't buy a scalped one, that's been becoming a problem for festivals, but
• 50:06
  the biggest problem that we actually have right now is drivers buy the driver
• 50:09
  tickets really fast and the driver tickets are typically sold out pretty quickly.
• 50:14
  We've got this traveling circus of about 75 percent of the same people
• 50:18
  and there are people that are I can never get Tickets for grid life,
• 50:21
  which is a terrible problem to have.
• 50:23
  I totally hate that problem.
• 50:24
  I don't know how to do it better other than to keep doing more events.
• 50:28
  It's really hard to do more events.
• 50:30
  We're a small teams, their spectator tickets, car show tickets, a lot of
• 50:33
  places to buy should be pretty easy to find if you look on our website, grid.
• 50:37
  life and a lot of people put a.
• 50:38
  com after that, but don't do that.
• 50:39
  It's just.
• 50:40
  Grid.
• 50:40
  life.
• 50:41
  So if you can't get space at the next grid life event, you can
• 50:44
  always try in the virtual world.
• 50:46
  As many of us migrated there during COVID to iRacing, Assetto Corsa,
• 50:50
  Forza, whatever was available that we could get together with our buddies
• 50:53
  and compete against one another.
• 50:55
  So I see that grid life has done the same thing.
• 50:57
  Is that continuing on as part of the circus as well?
• 51:00
  Yeah, we've done several years of sim racing.
• 51:03
  And I think actually during early pandemic, there was complete inability
• 51:07
  to buy sim gear at one point.
• 51:09
  There's so many new sim racers because of that, which is wild to think about.
• 51:12
  But we have a gridlife iRacers, which is a pretty popular iRacing series actually.
• 51:17
  And they've got their own discord and all that stuff.
• 51:19
  Gridlife iRacers, Facebook is probably the best way to get involved with that.
• 51:23
  Or email kyle at grid dot life.
• 51:25
  He's more in charge of all the sim world.
• 51:27
  He also runs a company called sim TV.
• 51:29
  Kyle works with us full time and he runs sim TV also, which
• 51:33
  is sort of a sim hosting.
• 51:34
  He does live streams for a bunch of different people on
• 51:37
  iRacing, which is very cool.
• 51:38
  Does a great job announcing as well.
• 51:40
  He's our, he's our lead presenter and we've done stuff on a set of Corsa.
• 51:44
  We've done stuff on Forza.
• 51:46
  I've done stuff on iRacing.
• 51:48
  We also, for the last several years, have hosted a SEMA party.
• 51:52
  Gridlife SEMA party, but it's spent at the, what's that one?
• 51:55
  The one that's the, the pyramid.
• 51:56
  Which one is that?
• 51:57
  The Luxor.
• 51:57
  Luxor, yeah.
• 51:58
  They've got this video game nightclub, an amphitheater basically built
• 52:02
  for gaming at the esports arena.
• 52:04
  We've hosted several SEMA parties there.
• 52:06
  Really cool places to get to know people in the industry.
• 52:09
  And that is sort of where we really launched in 2018.
• 52:12
  We launched some of our iRacing stuff.
• 52:14
  I'm a bit more of a caveman.
• 52:16
  I deal with carpentry and real race cars, but Kyle at grid.
• 52:19
  life can answer any questions in that world.
• 52:21
  He is the dude that knows all about the sim world.
• 52:24
  I'll be good.
• 52:24
  Life iRace is really fun to watch, especially in the winter time.
• 52:27
  They've got a several different series throughout the winter,
• 52:29
  quote unquote off season, which never seems to actually be off.
• 52:32
  It's fun to watch.
• 52:33
  Kyle does a great job with the streams.
• 52:34
  A rotating cast of broadcasting talent goes through their
• 52:38
  great streams to watch too.
• 52:39
  Are there any other ways that someone can get involved with gridlife
• 52:43
  outside of being a participant or being in the virtual world?
• 52:46
  Are there opportunities to come volunteer or help even
• 52:49
  maybe flag something like that?
• 52:50
  Absolutely.
• 52:51
  Grid.
• 52:52
  life slash volunteers got a volunteer application on there.
• 52:55
  We've got a super cool culture of volunteers that really
• 52:58
  help us run the events.
• 53:00
  It's actually more fun for many of them to volunteer.
• 53:03
  And then they drive a couple of sessions than it is to like buy a ticket and just.
• 53:07
  Focus on their car.
• 53:08
  You know, you get to talk to all the drivers, you're working tech, you're
• 53:11
  working merch at the festivals.
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  You might even get to work the bar and hang out at backstage in the concert.
• 53:16
  You never know.
• 53:16
  We need people everywhere because these events are so expensive to run and they
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  require so many people to run them safely.
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  We'll take any help we can get.
• 53:24
  We'll train you up.
• 53:25
  We've got volunteers that have volunteered with us for six years straight.
• 53:28
  And traveled the country following us around flagging.
• 53:31
  Typically we buy flagger help from the racetracks typically, or flaggers by
• 53:35
  Phoenicia, which is a traveling flagger group that does everything from IndyCar
• 53:39
  to our ragtag group of unshaven misfits.
• 53:42
  That's typically through the racetrack.
• 53:44
  Most tracks, they're always looking for flaggers too.
• 53:46
  It's also a great way to experience the weekends.
• 53:48
  You can get the best view in the house.
• 53:50
  You're standing inside of all the turns protected by a barrier.
• 53:54
  Watching every single car and you get to play with cool Motorola radios, too.
• 53:57
  Yeah, we, we would love anybody and everybody who's interested in
• 54:00
  like experiencing motor sports.
• 54:02
  It's a great way to really get into it as well.
• 54:04
  Like if you don't know if this is what you want to do, but you've been watching
• 54:08
  these Instagram videos or the YouTube videos or the Twitch videos, we would love
• 54:12
  to show you behind the curtain, show you the backside of grid life, all the dirty
• 54:17
  work, the people that help and help these crazy weekends actually become a reality.
• 54:20
  So we would love if somebody wants to volunteer for sure.
• 54:23
  And Gridlife is also associated with a podcast that many might
• 54:27
  already be familiar with called Slip Angle with over 460 episodes.
• 54:32
  So for those of us that aren't in the know, what is the show about?
• 54:35
  The second Gridlife ever, 2015.
• 54:38
  Matt Farrah, he's a YouTuber.
• 54:41
  He's got the Smoking Tire podcast.
• 54:42
  He came out, he and I were announcing time attack or something, I forget.
• 54:47
  Along with my buddy Austin, Matt was like, you too should just do a podcast.
• 54:51
  You guys got got like a great on air vibe and that was the first
• 54:54
  time that somebody had told us.
• 54:56
  But he and I actually had both been talking about doing it.
• 54:58
  We started doing shows once a week in 2015 and often twice a week.
• 55:02
  And we sort of never quit.
• 55:03
  Austin kind of got out of cars, got burned out.
• 55:05
  He worked in the, uh, the track event world full time for quite a while.
• 55:09
  And he pops in every few months.
• 55:11
  He'll be on the show still, but my time attack and competition
• 55:13
  director, Abe Schmucker is now kind of the co host and producer.
• 55:17
  And we just have a pretty good time chatting.
• 55:19
  It's often an interview.
• 55:20
  It's often us talking about our broken RVs that we had to drive to
• 55:24
  the racetrack or street cars, kind of BSing anything and everything.
• 55:28
  It's kind of a loose affiliation, obviously with grid life.
• 55:31
  But I'm obviously affiliated with both.
• 55:33
  So it's become sort of the unofficial podcast of gridlife.
• 55:36
  We never really wanted to have an official podcast in case we
• 55:39
  said something stupid on air.
• 55:40
  I didn't want it to affect the other company, but it's got a
• 55:44
  great listener base and most of the paddocks seems to listen to it.
• 55:47
  Which is sort of the reason that we keep doing it.
• 55:49
  We get to talk to our friends and it keeps the good life community together.
• 55:52
  And it's really definitely helped us branch out around the country as well.
• 55:56
  When we were out in California in March, all I seemed to do was talk
• 56:00
  to people about the podcast and they were stoked that we brought
• 56:03
  an event out there, which is great.
• 56:05
  I love that.
• 56:05
  The podcast was started as if we recorded like a hangout session, when
• 56:10
  the track went cold, we would always talk about anything and everything.
• 56:12
  We were literally fixing somebody's truck, or we were like fixing somebody's
• 56:15
  race car or talking about how much fun the day was, you know, BS ing
• 56:19
  about RVs or actually building a race car in the tower and recording it.
• 56:23
  It was anything and everything.
• 56:24
  And then you also get to talk to some interesting people.
• 56:26
  We've had a ton of pro racers on, crew chiefs.
• 56:29
  We've had officials from IMSA, SRO.
• 56:32
  We've had Well, people all from all over all walks of life and anybody in the sport
• 56:36
  we've had on it's ever evolving and you never know what we're going to talk about.
• 56:40
  Probably going to talk about RVs at some point though, because
• 56:43
  lately that's been a theme.
• 56:44
  So I traveled the country in a 1991 diesel pusher motorhome.
• 56:48
  So there's always something to fix.
• 56:52
  So with that, Adam, any shout outs, promotions, or anything else you'd
• 56:56
  like to share that we didn't talk about thus far in the episode?
• 56:59
  We have a great designer on staff, the founder of gridlife,
• 57:02
  my partner in business world life.
• 57:05
  Chris Stewart is one of the best designers.
• 57:07
  He makes amazing.
• 57:08
  shirts.
• 57:08
  He makes amazing apparel.
• 57:09
  We've got some amazing people helping him.
• 57:11
  Check out our store on grid.
• 57:13
  life.
• 57:13
  We've got some awesome apparel on there.
• 57:15
  The line for apparel at festivals is typically hours long.
• 57:19
  People love it.
• 57:19
  They love the apparel.
• 57:21
  Check that stuff out.
• 57:22
  In Chicago, we're actually starting another company called Car Club.
• 57:26
  It's going to be Car storage and kind of a hangout space on the north side,
• 57:31
  the near north side, right off of I 94.
• 57:34
  So if you are in Chicago, you're looking to maybe store something somewhere,
• 57:37
  shoot me an email, adamantgrid.
• 57:39
  life.
• 57:39
  I can connect you with the right people.
• 57:40
  That should be open probably in October.
• 57:43
  Early storage might be available pretty soon.
• 57:45
  Actually grid.
• 57:46
  life is the main website grid life official, uh, Instagram.
• 57:50
  We have a ton of different Facebook pages for events selves or our track
• 57:53
  battle or good life touring cup series.
• 57:55
  Anything under grid life itself.
• 57:57
  You'll know if it's fake, we do get cloned pages all the time and they
• 58:00
  usually disappear after a few hours.
• 58:01
  And then, yeah, the dumb little podcast, a slip angle podcast, all one word.
• 58:05
  You can pretty much get it anywhere that podcasts are given away for free.
• 58:09
  And we do have a Patrion for slip angle.
• 58:11
  I don't even know how to get there.
• 58:12
  I think it just.
• 58:13
  Look up Slip Angle on Patreon.
• 58:15
  We don't push Patreon very hard, but we do really appreciate our patrons.
• 58:19
  We try to throw t shirts at them randomly.
• 58:21
  Some of the shows we put up there, there's a reason they get hidden on Patreon.
• 58:24
  So some of the debauchery gets hidden there.
• 58:29
  There are some good shows, but there's definitely some debauchery.
• 58:31
  You hear weird stories, especially from people that live in Iowa.
• 58:34
  All right, guys.
• 58:35
  So I think you've convinced me it's more than just flat brim hats and vapes.
• 58:40
  It's more than just a festival.
• 58:42
  Gridlife is a motorsports movement.
• 58:45
  I'm not sure about you, Brad, but I think we need to become part of
• 58:49
  the hashtag grid lifestyle and pick our favorite event and go full send.
• 58:54
  I agree.
• 58:55
  And to learn more about GridLife and how you can participate, log on to www.
• 59:01
  grid.
• 59:02
  life.
• 59:02
  You can email Adam at adam at grid.
• 59:05
  life or follow them on social at gridlifefest on Twitter
• 59:09
  and at gridlifeofficial on Instagram and Facebook.
• 59:11
  That said, Adam, it has been an absolute pleasure to have you on the show.
• 59:15
  I can't thank you enough for coming on and telling the origin story of GridLife
• 59:20
  properly for the 10, 000th time, but to a new audience of folks that may or
• 59:24
  may not be familiar with GridLife and who are hopefully looking forward to
• 59:29
  participating and joining one of your upcoming events here in the near future.
• 59:32
  So again, thanks for coming on BreakFix.
• 59:34
  You guys have been a good time to talk to.
• 59:35
  I appreciate it.
• 59:36
  Thank you very much.
• 59:44
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