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Commanders Bye Week Reset - what can we expect from here? · BGO Blind Pig - A Washington Commanders Podcast

• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, brother?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Back again for another episode of the Blind Pick Podcast, courtesy of BG Obsession.com.
• 0:44
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• 0:53
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• 0:54
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• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's a lot of fun sometimes, not a lot of fun other times, but that's what message boards are for, right?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Bunch of friends just talking football.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: So brother Bob in the house, just the two of us, a duo.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see if anybody else pops in tonight.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not holding my breath, but we'll see if it happens.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: But um we didn't lose this weekend.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: No, we also didn't win.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Or tie.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Now that's two out of three weekends that we didn't lose.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm joking completely.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like smart ass remarks.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um still fair, though.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: I I did want to get together.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I know that there's probably not a lot of fun stuff to talk about, but I did want to have an actual bi-week reset um and kind of look at what to look forward to over the next 11 games uh as we enter the second half of what is kind of the second half of the season.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't I think there's gonna be a lot to talk about and a lot of things to pay attention to.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think, unfortunately, I think this fan base has already kind of written a script in their mind about what's gonna happen with our coaching staff.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Let me first say and premise this by saying I don't feel passionately one way or the other.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: If Quinn and company are let go and they reset, I get it.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: If they're not, I don't know that I'm gonna have some vitriolic response that it's like this is the worst possible decision Adam Peters and Josh Harris could make either.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think there's a lot of things uh that that attribute that beyond just them.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: But I will also say that there's been a lot of things, there have been enough things that you see coaching-wise that you can have a response about.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I understand it.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not advocating one way or the other, uh, I'm just kind of trying to look at things.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, like I said, I'll I'll totally understand it if they move on.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I will not be upset if they move on because I get it.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I also don't, like I said, don't think I'm gonna be overwhelmingly negative if they choose not to yet.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: But this next 11 games could change that.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm despite some of the things that I that I said last week in frustration, I'm kind of in the same place.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be honest and tell you that I I I some of what I said last week I absolutely believe.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_02: Sooner or later, um, you kind of have to believe that somebody's record is who they are.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, Dan Quinn's got nearly nine seasons now as a head coach, and he's a 500 ball coach.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and you could argue that he's a 500 ball coach with two really good quarterbacks.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um and you know, a lot of guys don't ever get two really good quarterbacks and play 500 ball.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: So you kind of expect maybe a little more than that.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: I was wondering if you could the dogs are playing with no, I just texted.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I'm being asked about my dogs.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um you're good, brother.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: My my you know, normally it's normally it's it's Derek's kids making an appearance tonight.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's my 20-year-old going, hey, did you feed the dogs?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I did not.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you're gonna ask.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know, I know.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I I I kind of if I'm trending in a specific direction, it's more towards blowing up the coaching staff and starting over again.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: I said last week, and I and I stand by it, I don't see a lot of guys getting better.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: And the the basic job of any coach is to make your players better, specifically the position coaches.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: The job is to make your players better.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I see guys staying in the same place, making the same mistakes week after week, or in the case of somebody like, say, a Mike Sanristal, you know, backtracking even somewhat.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, he's not as good now as he was his rookie year.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I and I I don't think I don't think there's a lot of debate about that.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I still think he's a good football player.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's a quality young man.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I would like to see a different, at least different position coaches, take a run at at you know, tapping some of that some of that potential that that's that's in the young man.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I think a lot of fans forget that he didn't go to University of Michigan as a cornerback, he went as a wide receiver, and he really only had two seasons at cornerback before he got drafted by us.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not like this kid's been playing corner since he was in junior high or pop warner, he hasn't.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he was an offensive-minded kid, but that that's neither here nor there.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: The reality is the coaching staff should be making a difference in his on-field abilities as well as his life, and and I'm just not sure that that's taking place.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now, is that specifically Dan Quinn's fault?
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, not necessarily, but Dan is the head coach, and all of the guys on that coaching staff answer to him, whether directly, as in the case of the coordinators, or indirectly, as in the case of the position coaches that work through the coordinators.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: And and I uh so if I'm trending a different direction, it's you know, maybe we try something else.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: But for everybody out there that's screaming and yelling about blowing the coaching staff up and starting over again, I would caution you and say the grass is not always greener.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: And we've tried that how many times in the last 35 years?
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: Basically, since Gibb won, we've tried that.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know what.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if we start counting head coaches, not even the intros, just the guys that were named permanent head coach.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you got what you know, Norv Turner, um Schottenheimer, Gibbs again, Zorn.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: I know I'm missing somebody in there.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Spurrier for two years.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: How could I forget?
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_02: How could I forget the old ball coach?
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Spurrier for two years and Gruden for a number of years, and and now finally to where we are today.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: And uh after Rivera, yeah.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, after Rivera forgot him too.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: I just I just caution everybody that thinks, you know, hey, let's blow this thing up and bring in a new head coach.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um it can always get worse, guys.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't a new head coach doesn't guarantee it's gonna get better.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it it can absolutely get you know get worse.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um for Quinn to keep his job at this point.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think we've got to mount some type of real assault on the division title, though.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we've gotta we've got to pull things together and we've got to play some fairly good football uh over the course of the next what 11 games?
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: Is that what we go is it is it it's still it is still just a 17-game season, right?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um so over the course of the next 11 games, I mean, we've got to pull this thing out of the fire and actually mount a you know mount a challenge to the New York Giants, um, you know, which is really funny because I don't think anybody saw the Giants as the team to potentially beat the NFC E starting the season.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: I know I didn't.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I think again, I and I'm with you.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: I do caution.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Am I saying, am I advocating again that Quinn is the end all be all?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I mean we go two to three years, coach, dismiss, rinse, repeat, rebuild.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: And at some point, let's look at things that aren't working and say, how about we try something different?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: And no, am I saying that we need to stick with Quinn blindly?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, but there is a part of me that firmly does wonder what Quinn with Blau and Jones can create over two or three more seasons with leaders, with two or three more drafts, with and you bring back Jaden with you know a couple more years as some of these developmental pieces come into place.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And is it am I guaranteeing a Super Bowl if you do that?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I don't know that anything can guarantee a Super Bowl at this point, so I'm not gonna try to.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: But I that I I do wonder what could happen.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: And if you take care of Quinn and Quinn's out, then you're nuking Blau and you're nuking Jones here.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: And ironically, one of the things that I have seen over the last four to five days with a large amount of sentiment floating around social media, is that we gave up on Chase Young too quickly.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, I'm not gonna make the argument there, but I'm just saying, if you believe we're giving up on Chase Young quickly, are you also the same person saying we need to get rid of his coaching staff?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, do you see what I'm doing?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: I am always sure you're gone, yeah.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: I have always been an advocate, and sometimes a first-round pick isn't as good as a first-round pick should be, but you should not punish them and move on and get rid of an of a legitimate football player because you you overdrafted them.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if he can still be a legitimate, if your first round pick can still be a legitimate starting player or even a legitimate rotational player, is it a disappointment?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: But does that mean because he should have been taken in the third, but we took him in the first, that he's not living up to that draft status?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Therefore, we should cut ties and move on.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, these are some of the things that I see with these conversations, and it kind of goes back.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I just use the Chase Young conversation because it's like, all right, well, now we're four years removed, and everybody's want to talk about how well Chase Young's playing, yet they also want to get rid of this entire coaching staff that has only been around and only coached seven games together.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, where do we draw the line of well, we should have been more patient and let things play out and see if they could develop to this is now an exhausted lost cause, and we have we've we have seen the extent of what their capability is, and now it's time to move on.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I I don't know that these questions are answered yet.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: I and and to anybody that says we gave up on Chase Young too quickly, I would, you know, I would say that's we're three years removed from that argument.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: And and nobody was saying that until this season.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the young man is now what 29 years old?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: 28 years old?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, come on.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's been it's been seven or eight years since he was drafted.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: And in seven or eight years, this is the first time, well, basically since his rookie year, that anybody's gone, oh, look at Chase Young.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: And before you get too terribly excited about it, I would say he's got seven sacks.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: He also has seven tackles.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: So those are seven sacks.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like he's doing anything but sacking the quarterback.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, granted, I wouldn't mind having a player with seven sacks on our team at the moment, but I I'm I'm not all wrapped around the axle.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's he's played seven games this season.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: He's got a sack of game.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Is he gonna keep this pace up through the end of the year?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: And if he is, great for him.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I'll believe it when I see it.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I wasn't at like I'm not gonna, I'm not trumpeting that we should have held on to him.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, I do my my argument is we made the right decision at the right time.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: We got something for him, it didn't look like it was going anywhere.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and I'll tell you what, they're the same fans that are all pissed off about the fact that we don't have him on the roster right now would have been pissed off if we'd signed him to a big money second contract.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what it would have taken.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right, because he would have walked, right?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the nuance of what I watch when I'm watching some of these conversations in football and these conversations around the team is is like, are you are you looking beyond one or two layers?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are multiple layers of these things that happen, and I think there's multiple layers that need to go into Dan Quinn getting fired as a head coach, and that's kind of my point, is yeah, it's not been good enough yet this year.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's been bad at times.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: But is it to the point where it's it's it's lost uh the ability to ever be good enough?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know that I'm there yet.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I said I would be okay and I understand it if they move on, but I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that this football team cannot win football games.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen some bad decision making, but there is a level of expectation and there's a level of responsibility that goes well beyond just Dan Quinn.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm watching Adam Peters is coming off arguably the best, well not even arguably, easily the best draft so far since he's been here.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: And was the first draft great?
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, it wasn't great.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, you could argue it was bad outside of Jaden Daniels.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: There are some pieces.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: The second draft, markedly better, and now this draft, I mean, you're looking up and down this draft class and saying, all right, well, this is making a lot of sense.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then if you go back and you look at Connorly, Connorly was an argument that a lot of people were against, and now he has just turned into a very solid right tackle.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if you saw this, but that cat that playing left tackle in Kansas City that we passed on is now having degradation in his spinal column, and he's out and he's putting on an IR.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: So and he's got some character issues where apparently he put his feet up in the middle of a team meeting and he got dismissed because Andy Reid told him to go to the training room.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now, am I saying that Adam Peters is curr is is is flawless?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: But another situation where he took the guy that the other people didn't want, and they were saying they were clamoring about his abil inability to make it to to draft the right player, and it's looking like we're better off.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some of the moves that nobody's talking about is we didn't pay our ass for Aiden Hutchinson, or uh not Aiden Hutchinson, tra Hendrickson.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Trey Hendrickson.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, people wanted us to give up first round, multiple first round picks for this cat to come in here, and we didn't, and we gave up substantial draft capital, but no first round picks for Laramie Tunsell, and now him leaving and him being out is the linchpin of our season.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Where is the right decision making being made?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like him, so I I'm not one to say that Peters and Quinn and company can't do well enough to be competitive, and that's at the end of the day, that's all you can hope for because you just want to make sure that you're in the conversation when the conversation's being had, because so many factors happen that you have no control over.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, i.e.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Washington Capitals winning president's cup after president's cup, and then finally busting through, or uh, or you know, these other professional sports teams.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: You put get me into the conversation, get me into the show, and then we'll see what happens.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: But first, let's get there.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like to expect this team to be coming off of the season we've had, coming out of the the the timeline that we've had over the last three decades, and expecting Super Bowl competitive level continuity is is tough for me to be.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know that they're ever gonna win a Super Bowl.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that they I but I don't think that we have seen the extent of what they can do.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, we haven't.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, to follow up on something you brought up just a second ago, I mean, how frustrated would the fan base here be if we had traded two first-round picks for Trey Hendrickson?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: And and at this point in the season, he had five solo tackles, two stacks for six yards, no passes defense, no fumbles caused, because that's what it's gonna be for Baltimore kids.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's not playing like a guy worth two first-round draft picks right now in Baltimore.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll tell you what, I would I was against it, and I would have been pissed.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be one of those guys that was who was raving about how lousy a job Peters did with that if he if he brought him in, flipped that around, and people thought we gave up too much for Tunsil, and all Tunsil's been is a top three tackle for us the last two years, and he'd still be that if he were playing right now, and I think we'd probably be a couple of more games to the good, maybe.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um because he handles guys one-on-one that right now Brandon Coleman can't, right?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: So that kind of comes back to my bigger point is are we ready?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: And there are people that are.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not ready to say that they have lost the ability to win football games, correct?
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I don't know where it goes from here.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I am not confident Quinn's back next year.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think the overwhelming tide is that he's gone, but then again, we're also talking about a different regime.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this is Peters.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that Peters is given or uh Peters or Harris has given up on Quinn because I don't think that they think the way fans do.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that they listen to what fans are saying.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: And good for them, whether right, wrong, or indifferent, I hope they don't give two shit what we all have to say because they need to make the right decisions that they have confidence and they believe in, and they need to build in a direction that they're confident in.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: So if they choose to move on with Quinn and continue with to see what the Blau Jones experiment is for another year, okay, I get it.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: And at what cost, I don't know, but I know this.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: You're going into a season an off-season where you're gonna be negotiating with your potential front uh franchise quarterback, and this is the first opportunity that we have to be able to try to put pen to paper, and then if you also bring that in continuity into it, where it's like, all right, well, why don't you sign a five-year deal here for a hundred million, a hundred or whatever it is, some stupid number that's gonna be next?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: But um, I want you to do that before we've now hired a head coach or put a system in place or give you any idea what you're gonna be looking for.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's just gonna give pause.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: I I like so I think there's a lot to unwrap, and I think the rest of the season needs to kind of be less about wins and losses when it comes to Quinn and Blau and Jones, and it needs to be more about the direction of the franchise, that's gonna be the bigger thing.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: If Quinn doesn't lose the the the locker room, which arguably which I don't think he has, I think we I think we're still seeing guys that are out there legitimately trying to play football.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that's a cliche, don't lose the locker room.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: But if these guys and this team and Adam Peters and David Blau and all of these guys are still pointed in the same direction as Quinn is, and they understand that mistakes have been made, and they're going to do things to try to mitigate the the the risk of those mistakes.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't I'm not gonna sit here and say that I think it's a problem if he's here next year.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: I you know, I I think you can definitively say, coming off the back of the that, you know, that loss in San Francisco a week ago, I think you can definitively say that he has not lost the locker room.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, right?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: The players came out after halftime and played hard for Quinn and and the coordinators.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was a concerted effort in all three phases of the ball, and we played really well everywhere for the most part in that second half.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: My my question isn't whether or not the players love Dan Quinn.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: They obviously do.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I I mean the players in Atlanta still love Dan Quinn when he got fired.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the guys down there in in Atlanta, it's not like they didn't want to play for him anymore, they absolutely did.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it just wasn't working for whatever reason.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and a lot of that I think had to do with some of the coordinators that he lost and who he brought in.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: And there were some mistakes made there, and then Quinn's been pretty open and honest about that.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: I just I uh I I think you've hit on the bigger issue, and that is uh I view this franchise as being on a clock, and it's not a clock for a Super Bowl, it's a clock for a stadium opening.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Josh Harris wants to sell personal seat licenses, Josh Harris wants the new stadium to sell out, Josh Harris is gonna want people to show up and be happy.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Josh Harris is going to want a football team that is competitive when that stadium opens.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, at least that is my assumption.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: I would want all of that if I if I take a step back from my I'm a lifelong at this point, over 50 year Redskins slash football club slash commander football fan, right?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if I take a step back from that, I look at this purely as a business, and I feel like Harris is probably better at separating his fandom and his business hat than the previous owner was.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we haven't turned this into fantasy football yet.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: And and I think there's a reason for that, and that's that Josh Harris clearly sees this as a business, but he's also a fan that wants to win.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, it's his boyhood team just like it is yours or mine, and and we all want to win that.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: But if I'm in Josh Harris's seat and I take my fan hat off and I put my business hat on, I look at this and go, I've made a deal to build a stadium and it and it's gonna open in 2030, and I'm gonna sink over$2 billion of mine and my partner's money into this project.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: I want a happy fan base, I want an excited fan base, I want national TV coverage as often as I can get it.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be in prime time as much as I can get it.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because that feeds a lot of other things that a lot of fans don't necessarily always take into account.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: Number one being stadium naming rights.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Your stadium is worth more if you're playing the four o'clock game on Sunday than if you're always playing the one o'clock game on Sunday.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Terry McLaurin said it a couple of weeks ago, you know, in his press or in in London.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: When when Diggs looked at him and went, You've never played overseas, and McLaurin said, Dude, they've been scheduling us at one o'clock.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's where they put the dogs.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: Harris wants to be able to sit down across the table from any prospective sponsor who's willing to put money down for the stadium naming rights and say, We're playing at four o'clock or in prime time.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Better than half of the season this year, or two-thirds of the season, or whatever it's gonna be.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: We've got a chance to play deep into January, maybe a chance to go all the way to the championship game.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: Stadium sponsored guys that are writing a check for that here.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: My corporate name is gonna get said over and over and over again through multiple three-hour broadcasts, pre-show games, all the rest of this.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: They absolutely want that.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't want to be scheduled at one o'clock in four years, he wants to be scheduled in prime time and at four.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't blame him.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: I would want that too if I were in his position.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: So he's got to look at that, and then you balance that with what you just talked about, the Jaden Daniels situation.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: And and he's going to have he and Peters are going to have to determine what is going to be more palatable to Jaden Daniels, and maybe more importantly, Jaden's mother, his agent, keeping Dan Quinn and David Blau, or hiring a new offensive coach and Jaden having to start over again.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess the question there becomes is Jaden unhappy with the way things are playing out right now?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: And if he is, what's going to make him happy?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: And how important is that to us as a team?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that's all that's all that's all that's all privilege information.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: We we have no idea.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: So that could be steering a lot of what we these conversations that are going on that that nobody that's speculating has any idea about.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and uh that's where I was going next, is it's all privileged information.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll take one one situation from this last offseason.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: Dan Quinn is a good soldier.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: I have figured that out watching him now for uh almost three years.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: Dan Quinn is a good soldier.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: I have absolutely no clue what the discussion looks like in the back room behind a closed door because when Dan Quinn comes out and sits down behind a microphone, he totes the company line.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: He and Peters are going to sing from the same hymnal in front of a microphone.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: We have no idea what happened in the back room when the Tyler Linderbaum situation fell through during free agency.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: Did Dan Quinn agree with the idea that Nick Allegretti might be a solution for the season?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Or did Dan advocate to bring in somebody else and Peters overruled him?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what or did they have a name circled and that guy told us to go pound sand?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because Peters doesn't strike me as the type of guy to not have a backup plan.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's entirely possible that our backup plan said, no, uh-uh, sorry.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: And no one has ever reported it.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: Because they don't know.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: And if there's one thing we've learned about this regime, it's that they know how to plug the leaks at Redskin Park or Commander Park or whatever we're calling Ashburn nowadays.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's the first time I've accidentally used the old name in about three years, man.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: A thousand percent.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that can be overstated.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that I see people saying that, yeah, Dan Quinn came out and said such and such in the postgame presser.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no shit, dummy.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Dan Quinn is gonna come out there and he is gonna say, as a professional, what needs to be said.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: He is and he's going to talk you cannot take hardly anything he says as uh beyond just him taking his obligation to be in front of the press at the end of the game.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: So you can't, and that's the other thing that I don't think a lot of people really think about.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's saying something, and people are looking at what he's saying and say, How can you if you're Adam Peters, how do you accept this?
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Him and Peters have probably already had a conversation, yes, and and whatever whatever tongue lashing or whatever responsibility or whatever truth needs to be, you know what I mean, confessional that needs to happen has happened.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: So now he's going out there and he is just saying what is needs to be said because he's just trying to get done with that press conference and he's trying to move on.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't understand how so many people can look at some of these conversations that these coaches have in press conferences and try to actually invest some sort of knowledge out of it.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're never gonna tell you what's actually going on.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's literally got its own term, it's called coach speak.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Joe Gibbs had that shit locked down.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: You could have interviewed Gibbs, Buges, Ribiski, anybody in the coaching staff, and then all 53 guys, and then all of the special teamers, and all of them, and it would have been the same fucking word salad, right?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: It would have been you'd have heard fight their guts out, you'd have heard that's a good team over there, you'd have heard that's a quality football team.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was like that.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Is literally what we watched at the peak of, and I'm not saying Dan Quinn's Joe Gibbs, but what I'm just saying is the nuance has to be like you can't look at that and try to say, Well, of course, Dan Quinn's gonna say he is gonna take blah blah blah.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, I well no idea what he's really thinking.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: You went where I was where I was thinking.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, we've heard a lot of coaches speak here in the last you know, 30 plus years, and Quinn probably reminds me the most of Gibbs in terms of he almost never calls out anybody.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh I was so stunned, what, three weeks ago when he just flat called Mike Sanders still out in in a press conference?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: He, I don't think I think that's the only time he's done that his entire tenure here.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: And Gibbs was exactly the same way.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody in the stadium may have known somebody screwed up, but Gibbs was never gonna stand in front of the microphone and throw that guy under the bus.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: And and Quinn, by and large, and even when he called Mikey out, it was fairly respectful, right?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, he didn't he there was none of this, you know, we lost the game because of it.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was just, you know, look, we we've got to do better, he's gotta do better.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: And and I just don't uh I keep coming back to this, and I think we say this at some point in time every single year, but the reality is we don't know what we don't know.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we we can speculate all day long, and there's some great speculators on our board.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: If you're really curious about, you know, some of the fun speculation that's going on out there amongst the fans, and you're not a member at BGO already, you should stop by bgobsession.com and and read some of the conspiracy theories because it's it's a lot of fun.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Some days I laugh really hard, some days I cry, some days, you know, some days, some days I scratch my chin and I go, hmm, didn't think about it that way.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and uh and some days I sit here and nod my head and go, uh-huh, uh-huh, you're dead on, man, because I'm thinking the same thing.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: So uh it's just I I don't I mean, all of this, I think both of us are saying the same thing.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: We don't know what's gonna happen, and we're not even sure we know what we want to have happen at the end of the season.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what I know is I'm glad it's not my decision.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm glad I am not sitting in Adam Peters' chair, or for that matter, well, actually, I wouldn't mind sitting in Josh Harris's chair because that would mean I was worth a billion dollars or more, and and that'd be okay.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be all right with that action, but um, but I it's not it.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna have to sit back, relax, and trust that the guys who are actually in the room who know the whole story make the best decision possible for this football team at the end of the year.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: And if they decide to keep Dan Quinn, I'll be right here in this seat next year.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, cheering for Quinn to succeed.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: And if they decide to let Dan Quinn go, I will say thank you.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate what you've done.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because if nothing else, he has removed the laughing stock label from our franchise.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, something that that you alluded to earlier when you were talking about Josh Connolly and and not picking the guy who's in Kansas City now.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: When was the last time you heard one of Adam Peter's draft picks being in the news for the wrong reasons?
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: They aren't.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so we may have concerns about the draft in terms of the playing quality or perhaps the way those those players are being used, maybe the positions we picked as opposed to not picked.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think you can argue that that Peters has done his homework in terms of character guys, and we've brought in character guys who are representing the badge well in the community, and and well, on the field, too.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: I you you know, I would like to see them represent better on the field, and I think we'll get there.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, I know we'll get there.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I don't mean I don't mean I don't I'm not talking statistically, I'm talking we just had a conversation about the guy who we played last week in Fred Warner, who's taken every head butt shot you can take on somebody.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what I mean?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: We've had we we we've had we've seen problematic these guys aren't problematic players on the field.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like if if you want to say that they're making mistakes and creating issues for the team on the field, okay, that happens, but they're not out there being you know, every guy out there is out there for the team, they want to win, and they want to win for the guys that is that are up as on the field with them.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: So and that's totally fair.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: As as we kind of talk about this a little bit, I've got some stats running across.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: I will obviously say if you look at this right now, it's not good enough to be a super successful team in the league.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: 20th in points per game, 19th in yards per game, last in third down conversions, defensively, second to last in points per game, you know, bottom 10 in in yards per game.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I I get it, okay.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: I totally understand, but I also know that we're looking at some of the things like Sonny Styles.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: This kid looks real, okay, and where he goes, and Antonio Williams and where he develops into, and the marriage that these guys can have with a guy like Jaden Daniels, and we talked about Connorly, and we've still got Cosme and Tunsil.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Probably, I mean, I don't I don't like to put a trajectory on a guy like that because he has north of 30.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, some of the better left tackles are playing into their late 30s.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: If you get three or four more years out of Tunzel uh playing at a high level like this, I mean that's not bad.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so and some of the other moves that we've made, um, I I don't think we're as bare bones as some people want to say that we are.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I also would not sit here and act like we're a contender right now.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're not.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: Things need to change.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now, where that goes, I mean, that might be just a philosophical change.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: It might be a couple of assistants that put the right guy in the right place at the right time, and that's a different outcome.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyways, as we look at the second half of the season, I'll flip the ticker around a little bit.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not convinced that this team is deflated to the point.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think there is still a lot of meat on this phone for this season.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think as you look at the schedule, it's not anywhere near as daunting as the first seven games were, and it's not anywhere near as daunting as it was when we looked at it back in April, May, and June.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, our game coming out of the bye is a Sunday nighter against the Eagles.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're hosting that game.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now, home field advantage, you could argue with me, home is home versus away.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, it doesn't matter.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't that doesn't play into my thought processes of being able to win the football game.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: But you got home against Philly, then we play the Rams at home, and that is not the team that we thought it was gonna be.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now they put they showed out well yesterday, but still not anywhere near as dominant as you thought it would be at the Giants on Thursday night, and then we go into what would argue another bye week where we don't play again until the following Monday against the Bengals, who are who apparently are like us and only played a half of football this past weekend against the Ravens.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: So granted, they put up 35 in the second half, something that we've never we haven't been able to do, but still.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot there.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Then obviously, Cardinals, Titans, Texans, Texans, arguably one of the better teams on our schedule, Vikings, who's currently undefeated, Jaguars, and then we finish up against Cowboys.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like there's not a ton there that you look at, and is uh you're anywhere near as scared as you were in the first seven as over the next seven.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: So does that mean I think we're gonna turn it around and win the division?
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's that's still kind of an uphill climb, obviously, because of the tie with the Giants, but there's opportunity.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you see it like I see it, but there is an opportunity to kind of change the narrative a little bit.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, I I I absolutely see it the same way you see it.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean we got Philadelphia this next week.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Not only are we coming off the bye, they're coming off a Monday night game.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I assume that's what you're looking at right now.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, you know, I mean, so Philadelphia, then the Rams, who haven't been the Rams that everybody thought they were gonna be, then the Giants again.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: I watched the Giants and the Texans this weekend.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: They played harder than they did against us, maybe.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: But they still, I mean, they're they're still, I don't know.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: I just I and then you know what, Cincinnati, Arizona, Tennessee.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: You're right, Houston's, but Houston lost to the Giants this weekend, and they lost the Giants playing at home.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, Atlanta, who's been streaky.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um Minnesota who just took down a took down the the the undefeated 49ers who shouldn't have been undefeated, but yeah, I get it.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Minnesota and Jacksonville are probably the two most difficult games left on our left on our schedule.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um and they're both away.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so we're gonna play in Minnesota, we're gonna play at Jacksonville.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um but if we can get this thing figured out during the bye week, I I mean I hate to put numbers to it, but I'm sure that's what people out there are kind of are kind of waiting on is to see what kind of numbers we're gonna put to this, but I could totally see eight and three.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I could see eight and three.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: I got asked last week by my uncle, realistic looking at the schedule.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I said I don't think six and five is out of no, I don't think six and five is I think six and five is very realistic.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: When I say eight and three, that's me being optimistic, right, and and kind of and kind of saying that the majority of the bouncing balls will go our way, not the other way.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right, you know, eight and three assumes that the referees stopped taking big plays off the board simply because we're wearing Burgundy and gold.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Eight and three assumes that that you know we continue with a league leading takeaway uh turnover ratio.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: We're number two now, but yeah.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, are we number two now?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but we were we were number one going into this weekend, we're number two now because we played one less game than somebody, right?
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, so uh if we continue with that, I have to believe that sooner or later that's one of those statistics that I think has been true forever and ever.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: And and I have to believe that sooner or later, if we continue to take the football away at the same rate we have without turning it over, it's going to pay dividends for this football team.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: It is, and that and that could be something as easy as as simple as instead of them fumbling it on our 20, they fumble it on their 20.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like that play happens in a different period of the field that changes the swing, you know, the hold of momentum of the game.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I I really I'm not trying to reach here and try to come up with some burgundy colored glasses anticipation.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm trying to really be realistic that it can't continue the way that it's continued sometimes.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like at some point, the football balance has to kind of happen.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we have had literally touchdowns called back in five consecutive weeks, if I'm not mistaken, uh, because of a penalty.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you if you truly look back at it, I want to say it's been five weeks going back to the first one that was against.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: I have the schedule up right here in front of me.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: Dallas week two, wasn't it?
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: The Diomi, the the Marcus Mariota to Diamme Brown.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't a that wasn't a penalty, that was just an unfair rule that they passed.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the first the the one that springs to mind over the penalty, the the big one is Antonio Williams' 85 yard touchdown against the Colts for no penalty.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, right.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: Weeks later, people are still scratching their heads over why the ref why there was any laundry on the field at all on that play.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, right.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: So and there was another one that uh Krosky Merritt had 50 plus yard rush that got called back because apparently our guy wasn't on the line of scrimmage, he was off the line of scrimmage.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: And is that our fault?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: I will admit that's a procedural penalty, but is that also something you can clean up abse frequently?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now what's the narrative if that play is a touchdown?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: What's the narrative if the DeMi Brown plays a touchdown?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: What's the narrative if the Antonio Williams plays a touchdown?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: How much different is the conversation of these executed plays that are not washed out because of your mental error or what we would argue is uh an incorrect call on the field?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: So is it kind of a ticky-tack way of feeling it looking at things?
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think you can deny it.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was executed.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: I like I if you want to pull it back and be totally objective, it was blocked correctly, it was executed correctly.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: All of the problems that we might have had ever everywhere else, the 11 guys on the field executed the play well enough for that outcome.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: But what brought it back had nothing to do with the execution.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I and maybe that is where Quinn is failing, is because those kind of things happened, but I don't know.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: I I would say six and five is kind of realistic.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um and unfortunately six and five would put us at seven, nine, and one sub 500.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's enough to save Quinn's job.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I think it I I do, depending on how it is, uh going back to the original point that I I don't I don't know if the momentum's there.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: And again, Adam Peters and Dan Quinn and Josh Harris might come out uh after the last game of the season and give us a figurative you know two-finger salute and say, we're doing this our way.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to, you know what I mean, like we're we're not making our decisions based on what's on Twitter, and if they do, I applaud them for it.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I, you know, I I think you can make a fairly legitimate argument for this team being three plays away from 500.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of running around on that on the last play against the Giants, Daniels clocks the ball, clocks the you know, spikes the ball, and we trot the field goal unit out there and kick a field goal.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: So we assume the field goal is good, that's two plays.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: The third play is the throw to uh traylon Burks, yeah, to Burks against San Francisco.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, let's he he gets he gets that ball out just a smidgen sooner.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't have to come down Superman style on the pylon.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and he doesn't have the defender pushing him out of bounds, right?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so uh so you know we're we're we're arguably three plays away from 500.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll tell you what, if we're 500 this week in the bye coming off a win in San Francisco against the previously undefeated 49ers, the feeling around this football team is completely different than it is right now.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh 100% different than it is right now.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I I just, you know, I mean, we were in the game against the Eagles to start the season, and that's when they were still healthy and weren't trading guys away.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: I, you know, uh it just I just I just look at this and go, we could very easily be in first or second place in the NFC East.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_02: Very easily uh be first or second place in the NFC East today.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: So and and to your point, a lot of the problems are things that can be easily corrected with proper attention on the field.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and I think guys are rounding into that form at the moment.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're realizing that you know, hey, I gotta be in this every single play.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: I can't take a play off mentally, and it and I don't think a competitor accepts defeat.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: A competitor like Quinn or even Peters or Harris, they look at it the same way and they say, guys, put this shit together correctly, and we're having a different conversation.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: Figure this out.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're not looking at it like your job's on the line, they're looking at it like, don't do it again, dummy, right?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, figure this out.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go, let's stop considering and worrying about the other things that we can't control, and let's focus on the things we can control.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Make it right, get out there, and let's do it.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: There they're like I I've I've been in enough business environments to understand that even the best of them, we're gonna fall, they're gonna fall on their face, they're gonna stub their toe, they're gonna make right, and even the best leaders are gonna make poor decisions sometimes.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: And and I, of course, I'm not doing it uh with billions of dollars at stake the same way that some of these guys are, but I also know people, I've known people long enough that I can see where other people have the same kind of judgment I do, and I'm sure you've seen it, where you look at them and say, Come on, man, you're better than that.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna bust your balls.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna bust your balls because I'm supposed to bust your balls, and let's figure this shit out, right?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let's not do that again.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: And if you need help, let's fit, let's go, let's do it.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: I know you're better than that, right?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like you you said that, and all I can all I can hear is Tom Jackson and the old Monday night and the old countdown seven.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: Come on, man.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it's true, right?
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think when you have professionals actually managing the business, if you took if you went out there and you made decisions based on the Yelp reviews, you'd never have anybody work for you ever again.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of what Twitter is at this point when it comes to like social media comes to analyzing football, it's a damn Yelp review, right?
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like anybody can say anything about anybody they want to.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: And if Josh Harris and Adam Peters make their decision on Dan Quinn, and if they believe he's washed and done, move on.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm good with it.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I hope to like, but what I don't want to find out is that oh, we had a we felt a surge from the from the fan base, so we were forced to make it.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: But fuck that.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're not.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: Make your own decisions, like any real business person.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: So sorry to rant back to bring it back to where we started, but Philly uh currently is down 17-14 to Cowboys second half, or sorry, second quarter, approaching the two-minute warning.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: And Dallas is deep in their own line.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: So this is kind of one of those games.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Both of those teams are two and four.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think Philly has kind of packed it in as far as uh uh franchise goes.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: The the higher-ups have kind of given up on 2026.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: Dallas can, you know, Jerry Jones can continue to believe that he's got a Super Bowl contender.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine with me.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: I hope he lives to 150 because I love seeing him as their owner.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: But we play them next Sunday night, and I don't believe that we are overmatched by that team uh coming out of, especially coming out of the bye.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think we're gonna see a move in season, and I'm curious to see what you think because I think if it was gonna happen, it would have happened already.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: No, I I I think at this point, unless unless there are clear signs that the team just quit oh and three, and we get uh uh yeah, like over the next three weeks.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if we start seeing you know 34 to 3 blowouts to like Arizona, um yeah, then we've got a problem.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: And and we may see a change in season, um just to clear the decks so that Peters can actually talk to people.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh right.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if if we've clearly dismissed Quinn and we've elevated somebody to an interim position and we know they're an interim, then there's no controversy if it comes out that Adam Peters is talking to anyone.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, unless, of course, we're interfering with somebody else.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, you can you can openly do your research at that point in time, I guess is what I'm saying.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and then the team knows.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think the only other the only real advantage to that is if the team has given up on the head coach and you let the head coach go, then the team knows everybody's playing for their job.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: Outright.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I don't know that I'm there yet.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like I don't know, I'm not I'm not saying I am there.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, I am not there.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: What I'm saying is you've got it right the the only way I see us dismissing Quinn in season is if we start seeing those those crazy blowouts, and it's obvious that the team and and even more so the coaches have just quit working for Dan Quinn.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't anticipate that happening.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: I really don't, even if we lose out, and I don't see that happening either.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: I it I don't think it'll be because anybody quit.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think Quinn finishes the season.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: I agree, and I don't think that I want the players that are on the roster to think that they have to play for their jobs either.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's enough there that you look at this roster and the way that it's been built so far, or at least the direction it's going in, that you don't even want to introduce that into the conversation.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think there's probably eight or ten guys that you could look at and say these are pieces that you could either move and or be okay with moving on from.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: But the overwhelming majority of this roster, I think I think there's room for upgrade, but I don't think that you need wholesale changes.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, right.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I and I hope that makes sense.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, of course, I think we could upgrade the wide receiver room, and I think we could upgrade this cornerback room, and we're gonna need to address the safety room, and we're gonna need to address some positions, but but I don't know that I need to go into next offseason where 35 of these guys are playing to try to retain a spot on the roster.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh like I just don't know that that's the positive way to go about it right now, and and I because I think we probably have 35 or 38 guys right now on this roster that nobody would have a problem with being on the roster next year, even if we improve those other 18 guys, right?
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, bring me back meek Robertson and and Rasul Douglas on two more years, and if it means they're our third and fourth guy, let's go.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fucking happy, right?
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, right, so I I I just don't know that I want to, I don't want to pull a fire alarm yet, and and I so I don't know that I want to end season change either.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't see a reason to pull a fire alarm at this point in time.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, right now I'm looking at I'm I'm looking at this team and I'm looking at next year, and I'm thinking, man, if I can get a cornerback or a wide receiver in round one, and whichever one I don't get in round one, maybe I get in round two, and I either bring in a center during free agency or I draft a center in rounds two or three.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, if if I I'm not, you know, I mean, there's a lot of talk right now.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm reading a lot of, especially because of the position Philadelphia's in and how much and and which guys in Philly might get traded.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because let's face it, Howie Roseman's really good at moving guys and getting draft picks and rebuilding on the fly.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_02: And um anybody that thinks the Eagles are fixing to enter a down cycle for any period of time is probably smoking some good dope and needs to share uh because Roseman's just not going to let that happen.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised to see him trade two or three guys in the next week and a half before the trade deadline.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I've seen speculation about Saquon Barkley, I've seen speculation about a cornerback.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: I look at I look at our roster and I don't really see anybody that I think well, there's one possibility, Daron Payne.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_00: Payne.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: I can I can see some team that that is in contention that really needs interior D-line help might be willing to give up, I don't know, a third-round pick for Payne.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: I don't see anything more than that.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_02: I I really don't.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I might take a third-round pick for Duran Payne at the moment.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_02: Although now that we've apparently, you know, Kinlaw's apparently not going to be able to go this week and may not be able to go next week, so we might be hurting at that position.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I don't know that Payne brings some sort of level of play.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, he's been playing well, and he's been playing up to what you kind of would hope to get from him at times, but I still look at him and I don't know that he's even been playing well enough that I would be afraid to lose him at this point.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh like he's he's done it his entire career, and even in his best season, it's not like he was an all-pro.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so if somebody's willing to part with a fourth or uh an early fourth or an ear or a late third, which would probably be about almost the same, it would be a late third, because somebody who's picking early in the draft is not likely making a move for a guy like Payne.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: But no, I I don't know.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I wouldn't be upset moving him at this point.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'd be applauded.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: No, I the only other name I've seen thrown out is Andrew Wiley.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, really?
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't even seen that.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen I've seen Wiley's name bandied about in two different places as a depth move for a team that is like hurting on offensive line, okay, and needs a player that can play multiple positions to be suited up and standing there on the sideline because they just don't have the depth anymore.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but what are you gonna give up for that?
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's okay, and and that's the thing, nobody's talking about more than a sixth round pick.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say that's like a you're lucky to get a day three pick at that point.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so um, you know, I and and the question there is do I trade Wiley for a sixth-round pick?
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: Probably, probably, maybe so uh there's of course there's other names that have trade value, but they're not guys that you're gonna want to move on from.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so no, I'm keeping that guy named Jaden.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that guy and Antonio and Sonny, right, and you know what I mean.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you could almost argue maybe a guy like Chase On could give you something, but I like that kid.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: I would be less worried about moving him and more worried about bringing him back.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and kind of adding him as your maybe not your he's obviously not your premier pass rusher, but that guy could be the second or third guy at either left or right end.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: And he's clearly got talent.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm with you.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not parting with a ton of guys, but I also don't look at some sort of fire sale that needs to happen to try to sell everything that's not bolted down.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and because I don't think I think there's still a lot there that we haven't seen yet, and maybe that is an indictment like going against what we've argued that maybe Quinn's not the guy because there's more there than he's gotten out of them.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's a true conversation to have.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like, man, you just gotta figure out the right recipe, right?
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta get the groceries and then cook the dinner, and you just gotta put it all together at the right time and the right way to figure it out.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I I'm not done yet.
• 1:02:59
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• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: I was just thinking that a minute ago, yeah.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: I was thinking 45 minutes, and now here we are in an hour.
• 1:03:08
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• 1:03:14
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