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C J Llewelyn – Chakras, the Vagus Nerve, and Your Soul · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination unlimited. Is there a connection between our souls, chakras
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Speaker 1: and vegas nerves? How may we understand the body's internal messages,
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Speaker 1: not act against our bodies, and regain a soulful connection
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Speaker 1: to self. My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, c J. Llewellyn,
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Speaker 1: says that an understanding of subtle energy and our new
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Speaker 1: servers system will promote a journey to wellness. C J.
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Speaker 1: Llewellen is a licensed professional counselor, trauma therapist and intuitive
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Speaker 1: Reiki master in the lineage of doctor macau Usui. Her
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Speaker 1: passion is combining the psychological, physical, and spiritual to heal
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Speaker 1: trauma and facilitate personal and spiritual growth in her clients.
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Speaker 1: Her work utilizes polyvagal theory, energy psychology, and a knowledge
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Speaker 1: of the chakras and subtle energies. Her website is Cjllewellen
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Speaker 1: dot com and she joins me this week to share
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Speaker 1: her new book Chakras, The Vaguest Nerve and Your Soul,
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Speaker 1: Journeying to wellness through subtile energy and your nervous system.
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Speaker 1: Please join me in welcoming back to Destination Unlimited. CJ. Llewellyn,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back him, Victor. How have you been wonderful? Thank you,
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Speaker 1: It's so nice to have you back on again and
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Speaker 1: talk about the latest in your series, Chakras, the Vegus
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Speaker 1: Nerve and your Soul. And we're going to be getting
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Speaker 1: into that shortly, but before, for listeners meeting you for
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Speaker 1: the first time, please share your path and how it
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Speaker 1: led to your calling.
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Speaker 2: Well. I am a trauma therapist and I am also
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Speaker 2: a Reiki master. Those two paths have always been a
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Speaker 2: little integrated. I have been in private practice for about
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Speaker 2: ten years. I've been practicing as a trauma therapist for
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Speaker 2: over fifteen. I work very much with the body, helping
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Speaker 2: the body release process and release trauma, old trauma, and
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Speaker 2: I was just seeing the patterns along the vegas nerve
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Speaker 2: through polyvagel theory. I always I work with a foundation
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Speaker 2: of what we call polyvagel theory, and clients can certainly
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Speaker 2: look that up. Stephen Portis's work is changing the world.
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Speaker 2: And I would see the messaging with my clients, whether
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Speaker 2: they were processing through current traumas or have already released
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Speaker 2: and getting new information through their bodies. I was noticing
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Speaker 2: it aligning with their chakras, with the aspects of their
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Speaker 2: body that we're holding certain messages, and it was just
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Speaker 2: it was profound, and there's a lot of nerve endings
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Speaker 2: that align with these chakras, and Yogis have known this
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Speaker 2: for years. So this is all about what everybody is
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Speaker 2: I think. I hope this is where we're going in
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Speaker 2: the world, where we are finally integrating science and what
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Speaker 2: we would call spirituality, the etheric, the intuitive. So very
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Speaker 2: excited to be part of this journey and to be
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Speaker 2: part of the messaging on this journey.
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Speaker 1: Your bio also shares that you are a traditional reiki master.
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Speaker 1: How did reiki grace your life and how do you
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Speaker 1: use it in your practice?
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Speaker 2: So I do not use when I'm working traditionally with
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Speaker 2: a client. I do not actually use reiki in the
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Speaker 2: way that we would think reiki is used. When someone
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Speaker 2: comes to a reiky session, you are doing hands on,
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Speaker 2: you are utilizing the energy you are one on one
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Speaker 2: with your client. What I do is I am noticing
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Speaker 2: the energies, being attuned to the energies. I am noticing
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Speaker 2: as we're working somatically what's running through the client's bodies,
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Speaker 2: and I allow them the opportunity to tune into that message,
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Speaker 2: because if I didn't, I'd be stealing their power in
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Speaker 2: this way.
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Speaker 3: When we are.
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Speaker 2: Entering into a contract where it's hands on, that's one thing.
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Speaker 2: When we are entering into a contract where we are
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Speaker 2: deeply working through the layers of attachment messaging right from
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Speaker 2: early childhood, when we are deeply working through the layers
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Speaker 2: of what has been stored in our body, how we're
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Speaker 2: having neuro biological, physiological responses in our body. I turned
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Speaker 2: that back to them gently to help them attune to
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Speaker 2: their energy, because that's where the power lies. It's within
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Speaker 2: each of us anyway. So I am holding the space
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Speaker 2: for this energy, but I am allowing this energy for
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Speaker 2: my clients to connect to to understand their own personal
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Speaker 2: journey with it and reiki.
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Speaker 1: When it blessed my life was life changing for me.
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious as to how reiki came into your life.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's life changing. I have always seen energy. I
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Speaker 2: was one of those kids. We could go on for
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Speaker 2: a long time about what I used to see as
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Speaker 2: as a child. But I've always been very attuned to
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Speaker 2: the energies. I however, didn't know that, and I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of people could probably relate to this. When
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Speaker 2: you are attuning to the things that you don't necessarily
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Speaker 2: see in a third dimensional way, you're feeling them. And
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Speaker 2: so Reikie became the construct for me to understand how
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Speaker 2: to appropriately channel energy, how to not take my other
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Speaker 2: people's energies in, and how to stay within my own,
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Speaker 2: and also how to channel right universal energy, the energy
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Speaker 2: that comes from a higher source that we just step
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Speaker 2: back and utilize through our own bodies. We take ourselves
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Speaker 2: out of the picture, but we use our bodies as
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Speaker 2: the container as the channel to help send energy to others.
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Speaker 2: So I ended up with some fantastic friends through the years.
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Speaker 2: And one of my best friends who's also does a
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Speaker 2: lot of life between life work. She's a PhD nurse.
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Speaker 2: She's now retired, so I love it because she has
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Speaker 2: this very strong science background. She became a reiki master.
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Speaker 2: She became the one twenty years ago that helped me
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Speaker 2: learn how to manage channel attuned to these energies in
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Speaker 2: a different way. And she's also created a foundation for
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Speaker 2: me with just watching her work through the Newton Institute
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Speaker 2: working with life between life regressions as well. So she
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Speaker 2: was she's one of my besties. I think she would
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Speaker 2: be very she's very humble, so she wouldn't I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: call her one of my masters, but I would definitely
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Speaker 2: say that she was one of my greatest influences when
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Speaker 2: it came to doing the energy work.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was one of those kids also growing
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Speaker 1: up in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, and I
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Speaker 1: was told that I had an overactive imagination until one
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Speaker 1: day my mother confirmed everything that I had been experiencing.
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Speaker 1: Did you have the same type of thing?
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Speaker 2: I'm laughing yes, because my mother used to say, oh,
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Speaker 2: it's you and that wo woo again, you and your father.
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Speaker 2: You're just spooky. It's just it probably is the Celtic blood.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but she used to say that all
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Speaker 2: the time to me. But it was also very accepted.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't rejecting, it was just sort of I don't
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Speaker 2: quite understand this, but I know that this is what
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Speaker 2: you do.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely in your practice you employ internal family systems therapy
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Speaker 1: and also EMDR. Please tell us about these modalities.
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Speaker 2: So EMDR's I movement desensitization, reprocessing. And I've been working
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Speaker 2: in the EMDR world since the early twenty tens. I
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Speaker 2: can't believe I'm even saying that. And that was my
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Speaker 2: first somatic experience as a therapist. I came into the
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Speaker 2: therapy world thinking I was gonna do couples work, and
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Speaker 2: I'm leaving that one to someone else. I was so
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Speaker 2: drawn to helping people with their trauma, and I became
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Speaker 2: very quick understood that there needed to be more to
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Speaker 2: this than just the talk therapy. So I'm movement desensitization
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Speaker 2: ME going back. A second was developed by a woman
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Speaker 2: who is who has since passed, but she developed this
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Speaker 2: process through noticing that she was thinking about something deeply
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Speaker 2: and her eyes were moving back and forth in a
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Speaker 2: way that mimicked rem sleep. And as all amazing modalities
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Speaker 2: experiences discoveries are founded, they're founded initially with sort of
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Speaker 2: the hypotheses of huh, I wonder if this would work
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Speaker 2: with therapy? Why am I doing this? This is remsleep?
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Speaker 2: Remsleep we are working through our unprocessed our our aspects
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Speaker 2: of ourselves that we can't even define in our dream world.
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Speaker 2: So maybe this is something that we could apply to trauma.
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Speaker 2: And she did, and through the years she developed a
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Speaker 2: protocol for trauma, and it is burgeoning now. I think
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Speaker 2: everybody that has become a therapist and understands that trauma
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Speaker 2: is not talked out has at the very least of
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Speaker 2: their foundations EMDR and even brain spotting. Brain spotting is
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Speaker 2: one of those neuro experiential models that came from EMDR,
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Speaker 2: and it uses eye movement and it's got a very
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Speaker 2: contained process to it because when you actually are working
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Speaker 2: through trauma, you don't just open the Pandora's box. I'm
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Speaker 2: very careful with my new clients to explain that to them,
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Speaker 2: because I think people come to trauma work or don't
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Speaker 2: come to trauma work because they're terrified we're just going
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Speaker 2: to rip open that Pandora's box and everything's going to
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Speaker 2: fly out. No, we just open a little bit closet
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Speaker 2: work on that one thing. And so EMDR has a
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Speaker 2: lot of protocols around that, using the eye movement and
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Speaker 2: then in terms and then from there, I realized, oh,
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Speaker 2: I still needed something else, because there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: parts that were happening, a lot of eco state parts
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Speaker 2: that were not letting me in. And so I went
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Speaker 2: and I had been noticing for years internal family systems,
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Speaker 2: and I went and got trained. And that is probably
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Speaker 2: one of the most profound modalities and structures that I
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Speaker 2: think we can put in place with therapy, because what
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Speaker 2: it does it normalizes the fact that we are all multipled.
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Speaker 2: We all have aspects, many, many personality aspects to us.
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Speaker 2: Many of these were defined early on in our lives.
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Speaker 2: Many of that you know us have parts that are
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Speaker 2: who were we when we had to go through this
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Speaker 2: particular argument with our family, Who am I now? That
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Speaker 2: I had to go to first grade and perform? So
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Speaker 2: these personalities are living in us, and these aspects of
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Speaker 2: us step forward. When our body is feeling a certain
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Speaker 2: way that has a certain somatic memory to it, they
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Speaker 2: step forward and function that. If you ever had that
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Speaker 2: conversation of oh my gosh, I don't know what got
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Speaker 2: into me. However X Y and Z I did this,
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Speaker 2: I don't normally do this. Those are parts, Those are
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Speaker 2: personality aspects of us. And some of these kids are
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Speaker 2: walking around with these burdens. This is what Richard Schwartz
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Speaker 2: refers to it as And I love the language actually
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Speaker 2: of internal family systems because it's very non blaming. And
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Speaker 2: these children are carrying the memories of the past. They've
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Speaker 2: learned something that got them through that time when we
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Speaker 2: were five or six. However, the shouting that they got
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Speaker 2: to be heard in the family when they were four
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Speaker 2: doesn't work in a board meeting now. So internal family
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Speaker 2: systems is about connecting with honoring those parts and helping
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Speaker 2: them understand. And this is where I love the spiritual
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Speaker 2: aspects of this, that there is a higher wiser energy
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Speaker 2: within us that can manage that board meeting now, that
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Speaker 2: can manage the relationship now. As these young ego state
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Speaker 2: parts connect with the empathy, the love, the kindness of
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Speaker 2: that higher wiser energy within us, this is the spiritual
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Speaker 2: This is what we all pursue. This is what I
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Speaker 2: refer to in my book as the soul. When they
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Speaker 2: connect with that energy, they understand that there's a grown
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Speaker 2: up actually in the room, in the body room, and
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Speaker 2: they can lay those old coping mechanisms down so that
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Speaker 2: they can go back to doing what they wanted to
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Speaker 2: do when they were children. And as a result, I
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Speaker 2: have found through the years the system, the body, the
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Speaker 2: ego state that is combined with the soul state that
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Speaker 2: is combined with all these working parts like our vegus
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Speaker 2: nerve that are keeping us alive as humans. We have
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Speaker 2: more play in our system. We have more kindness because
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Speaker 2: our children aren't on the ready trying to fight for us,
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Speaker 2: and they will die for us. They will fight to
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Speaker 2: the bitter end to protect us because they still think
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Speaker 2: they're fighting something from the past. And therein lies the
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Speaker 2: trauma bridge. I always say trauma is when your system,
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Speaker 2: in this case through internal family systems, when your system
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Speaker 2: cannot identify if the present is past or the past
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Speaker 2: is present. There's a time loss that happens when we
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Speaker 2: have trauma stored in our system. When these parts come
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Speaker 2: forward because it feels like they've got to they got
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Speaker 2: to be the ones that get up there and scream
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Speaker 2: or do whatever they needed to do shut us down.
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Speaker 2: When they realize that this higher, wiser aspect of us
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Speaker 2: can take over, they let the parent in the room
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Speaker 2: do the thing and they go back to playing, and
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Speaker 2: so we have more joy in our system. We have
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Speaker 2: more relaxation. I love to equate. Once we process some
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Speaker 2: trauma out of our system, it's like we open up
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Speaker 2: that window and let in fresh spring air into our
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Speaker 2: bodies and we have room, which goes to the gist
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Speaker 2: of you my major message, which is then we can
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Speaker 2: have that wisdom, that wise, soul energy within us, whatever
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Speaker 2: you want to call it, lead us. When we are
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Speaker 2: cleared within our body of the protective mechanisms that have
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Speaker 2: been keeping us in a survival cycle for so long,
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Speaker 2: we can lead the way with our soul.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. That's absolutely wonderful.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: The last time you were on, we discussed your award
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Speaker 1: winning book, Chakras and the Vegus Nerve, Tap into the
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Speaker 1: healing combination of energy and your nervous system. What inspired
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Speaker 1: that book and what did you share with readers?
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for asking that, because this is this
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Speaker 2: goes back to what you and I were talking about
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Speaker 2: in regards to reading the energy and having this reiki
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Speaker 2: foundation and having this understanding of Polyvagel theory, which, by
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Speaker 2: the way, Polyvagel theory posits that it is our vagus
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Speaker 2: nerve that not just automatically keeps everything functioning. A heart
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Speaker 2: beating or lungs breathing, our digestion going. But it also
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Speaker 2: is reading the room. It's also listening for danger. It's
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Speaker 2: also what allows us to connect through the three branches,
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Speaker 2: the ventral vagel connection branch, the safety branch, the sympathetic branch,
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Speaker 2: the dorsal vagel immobility branch. So having this in mind,
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Speaker 2: watching within client's body how they are working through their
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Speaker 2: trauma and connecting, I went, oh, my gosh, a majority,
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Speaker 2: not all, but a majority. The messaging was through the
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Speaker 2: torso and aligning with the chakras, the seven main chakras.
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Speaker 2: And I had this work in my head for years
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Speaker 2: and I think we've discussed the last time. I think
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Speaker 2: two years ago. I was on the last time. I thought,
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I've got to write a book about this.
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Speaker 2: But breaking that down a little bit, when you're looking
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Speaker 2: at the root chakra and you have felt sense, you
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Speaker 2: have felt memory, but you don't have what they call
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Speaker 2: explicit memory, So in other words, you don't have chronological memory.
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Speaker 2: You don't you're feeling and knowing from childhood. It's in
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Speaker 2: your body. It may have been related to traumas from
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Speaker 2: the waist down that becomes the energy and the information
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Speaker 2: in the root chakra. Then then I would watch people
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Speaker 2: feeling a lot of memory and just having information that
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Speaker 2: came up through the sacral chakra. That is the chakra
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Speaker 2: that seems to be really connected to early childhood attachment,
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Speaker 2: how we learn early to connect, how we learn early
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Speaker 2: to connect through the messaging and and our family, but
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Speaker 2: also in our body. And so a lot of the
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Speaker 2: information that people would pull in from early childhood about
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Speaker 2: how they connected in ways that were helpful or not helpful,
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Speaker 2: or painful or calming, seem to have a messaging process
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Speaker 2: around their sacral chakra, which is kind of near the
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Speaker 2: belly button. Then you talk about identity, you talk about
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Speaker 2: internal family systems. We're talking about that solar plexus of
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Speaker 2: the mind, the identity that is that part of us
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Speaker 2: that just ends up burning sometimes right the charge they
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Speaker 2: got to get out there in the world, got to
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Speaker 2: present myself. Those are the ego parts of us. And
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Speaker 2: ego is not bad. We need identity. You need Victor Furman,
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Speaker 2: the identity the person that has been putting himself forward.
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Speaker 2: I need C. J. Llewellen, the person that's putting myself forward.
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Speaker 2: So we need identity. It's just when our identities get
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Speaker 2: so burdened and so caught up in the world that
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Speaker 2: this becomes the only identity we have. So with that,
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Speaker 2: a lot of that gets felt in the solar plexus.
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Speaker 2: When you get up into the heart chakra, you're getting
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Speaker 2: up into that safety branch of the vagus nerve. Right,
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Speaker 2: everybody loves the heart chakra. But by the way, everybody
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Speaker 2: loves the heart chakra because the ventral vagual branch of
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Speaker 2: our vagus nerve starts slowing our heart rate down, our
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Speaker 2: beats between beat, that heart rate variability starts slowing down,
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Speaker 2: our blood pressure lower. Suddenly we are feeling safer and
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Speaker 2: calmer as we get up into speaking. Maybe we didn't
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Speaker 2: feel safe, maybe our voice didn't feel heard, Maybe we
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Speaker 2: were told just plain old, don't talk. What you have
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Speaker 2: to say isn't worthy. As you begin to process out
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Speaker 2: those old messages, those old traumas, whatever they were in
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Speaker 2: your system, however they applied meaning in your system to you,
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Speaker 2: you are able to open up, you are able to speak,
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Speaker 2: You are feeling safe enough to speak, which of course
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Speaker 2: relates back down to the heart. And then I've noticed
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Speaker 2: that as we would continue to clear out and process trauma.
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Speaker 2: The third eye would shift to more meaning, more symbolism,
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Speaker 2: more symbolic what we would consider spiritual aspects unless of
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Speaker 2: the actual physical images that we would we get from
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Speaker 2: early childhood trauma. So then we are able to really
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Speaker 2: kind of feel a little bit more freer in our
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Speaker 2: crown chakra at the top of our head, which you
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Speaker 2: know aligns with the fontinel right when we were children,
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Speaker 2: I'm six years older than my brother. I remember my
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Speaker 2: mother saying, don't touch a soft spot. So that is
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Speaker 2: how I started to just see the alignment with the chakras,
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Speaker 2: the messaging, and of course, as I said, it's not
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Speaker 2: completely limited to these seven chakras. But when I work
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Speaker 2: with clients, I hold the space for them. I don't
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Speaker 2: ask them what chakra this is, because that takes them
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Speaker 2: out of the actual somatic process, that takes them out
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Speaker 2: of the felt experience, and it puts them into their brain.
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Speaker 2: It puts them into that left brain that explicit memory.
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Speaker 2: The explicit memory comes into our mind our brain. Our
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Speaker 2: brain starts developing the ability to remember dates and times
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Speaker 2: and places as when we're about three, but we have
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Speaker 2: a lot of previous experience that we are storing in
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Speaker 2: our bodies prior to that time. So when we can
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Speaker 2: trust the felt experience, even when it doesn't make sense
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Speaker 2: to the brain, we can open for possibilities of healing
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Speaker 2: that we probably never even thought of before. I answer
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Speaker 2: your question because I kind of went off on No.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. My guest is CJ. Lowella. We're going to be
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Speaker 1: talking about her brand new book, Chakras, The Vegus Nerve
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Speaker 1: and Your Soul. CJ. Please share with our listeners where
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Speaker 1: they can get all of your books and find out
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Speaker 1: more about you and your amazing work.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. My books are now available. They
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Speaker 2: released April eighth. Well, they my new book Chakras, the
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Speaker 2: Vegas Nerve and Your Soul released. You can find this
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Speaker 2: through Llewellyn dot com. You can find and I will
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Speaker 2: break down the different spellings of my name in there
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Speaker 2: name no relation. You can find that at Barnes and Noble.
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Speaker 2: You can find it at Amazon almost anywhere where you
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Speaker 2: can get books. You can find both of these books
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Speaker 2: right now. My email is CJ at Cjllewellyn dot com.
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Speaker 2: And now let me break down the spelling of my name.
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Speaker 2: It's two l's upfront and one in the middle. That's
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Speaker 2: how I like to break it down. CJ. L L
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week CJ. Llewellyn
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Speaker 1: her new book Chakras, The Vagus Nerve and Your soul
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Speaker 1: journeying to wellness through subtle energy and your nervous system CJ.
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Speaker 1: What inspired this wonderful new book.
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Speaker 2: Well, I kind of wasn't done it the first one.
24:58
Speaker 2: I mentioned in the first one, how I genuinely see
25:03
Speaker 2: our higher wiser soul spirit energy, however you want to
25:07
Speaker 2: refer to it as. And I get very open about
25:10
Speaker 2: the terminology of this, because I think it's more of
25:12
Speaker 2: a applied experience. Soul has some religious connotations for some
25:18
Speaker 2: people that they're not comfortable with, and others absolutely feel
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Speaker 2: very comfortable with that more hellenistic use of the word.
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Speaker 2: But I just I started to really see that when
25:35
Speaker 2: we are able to clear the memory data sets, sometimes
25:40
Speaker 2: I refer to that as data sets, there's trauma responses
25:44
Speaker 2: as memory data sets in our nervous system. People change
25:51
Speaker 2: their own way of being in the world. Sometimes that's
25:55
Speaker 2: their own way of looking at things. There seems to
25:58
Speaker 2: be more applied empathy. There seems to be just a wider,
26:03
Speaker 2: softer range, that's soft but powerful range, that's that soul energy.
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Speaker 2: And so I've been watching through the years, and by
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Speaker 2: the way, I've had my own I do my own
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Speaker 2: trauma work, you know, we're we're all not without having
26:19
Speaker 2: some of those data sets that hold us back, right,
26:22
Speaker 2: but they're there to protect us, by the way. So
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Speaker 2: I just kind of wanted to explore a little deeper
26:27
Speaker 2: the aspect of how our soul, light, our energy is
26:34
Speaker 2: driving the machine of our body when our soul leaves
26:42
Speaker 2: the body. And you know, we were just talking, and
26:45
Speaker 2: I appreciate you sharing that with me, you know, the
26:48
Speaker 2: passing of your mom and the experience around that. When
26:51
Speaker 2: the soul leaves the body, our nervous system doesn't function,
26:56
Speaker 2: doesn't perceive, doesn't doesn't work. Our organs do not function
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Speaker 2: any longer. So the soul is the energy. It is
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Speaker 2: the if you will, the gas. Sometimes when I have
27:08
Speaker 2: that conversation with people, using a car metaphor works. It's
27:14
Speaker 2: the journey, right, We need the vehicle to have the
27:17
Speaker 2: journey our essence takes on this vehicle for whatever reason
27:24
Speaker 2: the essence wants, from whatever experience the essence wants. But
27:28
Speaker 2: along the way we get tripped up. We have to,
27:34
Speaker 2: like if it's our car, we have to do tune ups,
27:37
Speaker 2: we have to clean. I don't know, are there spark
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Speaker 2: plugs in the car anymore? I don't even know how
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Speaker 2: the cars are made anymore. But we have to clean
27:44
Speaker 2: out the sparks, spark plugs, we have to clean out
27:46
Speaker 2: the air filter. Right, we have to keep our engine running.
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Speaker 2: We are not our car, right, our car. Our body
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Speaker 2: is the vehicle by which this light energy gauges with
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Speaker 2: this world. And I think I realized I have a
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Speaker 2: pet peeve is too strong of a word, but I
28:09
Speaker 2: do have a strong leaning into the argument. I lean
28:16
Speaker 2: into the argument that while we are here, it isn't
28:20
Speaker 2: a there's no dualism in this spirit is not good,
28:24
Speaker 2: body is not bad. And I see that a lot
28:28
Speaker 2: within a lot of our spiritual communities. No, no, we
28:30
Speaker 2: want to go spiritual. We don't like this stuff of
28:32
Speaker 2: our body. But what we do then is we become dissociated.
28:36
Speaker 2: We're not connecting with our body. We're not listening to
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Speaker 2: what the messages of the body want. We are here
28:43
Speaker 2: in this vehicle to have whatever very unique experience our
28:51
Speaker 2: soul energy wants to have. And there's probably one point
28:57
Speaker 2: none of us can argue you take any theology out
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Speaker 2: of this. We come into this world this light. You know,
29:04
Speaker 2: we have a light in our body, because when it
29:06
Speaker 2: isn't there our body doesn't function, and then we leave
29:09
Speaker 2: this world and we leave behind this the structure that
29:13
Speaker 2: we used. So, you know, us humans put a lot
29:17
Speaker 2: of meaning and theology and absolutes in between that. But
29:23
Speaker 2: whatever this light is here for if we can just
29:27
Speaker 2: keep our our engine thrumbing, our engine working, and that
29:32
Speaker 2: that also not only just goes to the making sure
29:35
Speaker 2: that we are psychologically sound with working through these traumas,
29:41
Speaker 2: knowing what our old patterns are so we can heal them,
29:44
Speaker 2: shift them, but keeping our bodies healthy. In this book,
29:50
Speaker 2: I get a little bit now. I am not I
29:52
Speaker 2: am a licensed professional counselor with a lot of foundation
29:56
Speaker 2: in polyvagel theory and a couple of other things. So
29:59
Speaker 2: I've learned how and and the body is affected emotionally
30:07
Speaker 2: and medically and to listen in that regard, but I'm
30:09
Speaker 2: not a medical professional. However, it's really apparent that when
30:15
Speaker 2: we also do not take care of our physical selves,
30:19
Speaker 2: our emotional self collapses, and then we can't access that
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Speaker 2: deeper light within us. We cannot access our soul. Our
30:30
Speaker 2: soul can't lead the way the you know, when when
30:34
Speaker 2: our car breaks down, we don't think about our car
30:36
Speaker 2: running except for when it doesn't, then then it becomes
30:41
Speaker 2: a priority. So I do just touch upon very very
30:48
Speaker 2: basic aspects of how we can get problems with our
30:53
Speaker 2: vegas nerve, because that vegus nerve, boy, it is our soul,
30:57
Speaker 2: It is our wisdom nerve. It is what keeps us going.
31:01
Speaker 2: It is the main, the main programming that runs our vehicle.
31:07
Speaker 2: When our vagus nerve is not cared for, our information
31:12
Speaker 2: that we gather also becomes its skews. We get skewed.
31:20
Speaker 2: So it is important for us to do the physical
31:24
Speaker 2: health work, the psychological health work, and that allows for
31:27
Speaker 2: the spiritual health work as well. So we can't we
31:31
Speaker 2: can't discard our human experience. We're here for this. We
31:34
Speaker 2: you know, tell our Dejarden we're here. We are spiritual
31:39
Speaker 2: beings having a human experience. So that's where I kind
31:43
Speaker 2: of really just wanted to emphasize and bring in some
31:46
Speaker 2: of my own experiences around a very brief, temporary thing
31:54
Speaker 2: where my own vegas nerve got a little over stressed,
31:57
Speaker 2: and how I work through some of this stuff too.
31:59
Speaker 2: It's not this book is so not about me, but
32:02
Speaker 2: I just thought thought I would bring in that one
32:04
Speaker 2: in that chapter. One of my personal experiences. So yeah,
32:07
Speaker 2: that's how I got started. I wasn't done.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, your car analogy is very interesting because you
32:14
Speaker 1: refer to this book as a travel guide.
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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, it absolutely is, because this is why we're here.
32:22
Speaker 2: Anybody listening to your podcast has at least an innate
32:28
Speaker 2: sense that they are on a journey. But it is
32:31
Speaker 2: not an either or journey. It is it is a
32:37
Speaker 2: collective journey between the human experience and the soulful experience.
32:44
Speaker 2: And you know, we don't know what it is. There
32:47
Speaker 2: are aspects of this we will individually not know until
32:51
Speaker 2: we go back to where we came from.
32:55
Speaker 1: And you share with readers that they should be curious
32:59
Speaker 1: in their travels. What is the importance of curiosity on
33:02
Speaker 1: this journey?
33:04
Speaker 2: Well, I always say that the Buddhists had this right,
33:08
Speaker 2: and if we could follow some fundamental mindful principles, curiosity
33:14
Speaker 2: takes judgment out of our process, just noticing, just being curious. Hah,
33:22
Speaker 2: have this pain in my back, I'm just going to
33:25
Speaker 2: be curious with it instead of Oh, I have this
33:27
Speaker 2: pain in my back and I want it to go
33:28
Speaker 2: away now, because that creates more pain. Being curious about
33:33
Speaker 2: our sadness, just holding the space to be curious about
33:37
Speaker 2: the experience of sad or the you know again, the
33:40
Speaker 2: curiosity sometimes of pain in our body leads us to
33:46
Speaker 2: the softness of our emotion. It may have a filter
33:50
Speaker 2: of some old experiences that we might need to process
33:54
Speaker 2: through that we might be afraid of reliving. That if
33:57
Speaker 2: we can lead our lives through curiosity, we take out
34:02
Speaker 2: that very I would say, on some level highly negative
34:07
Speaker 2: human experience of judgment, right that sometimes we apply these
34:12
Speaker 2: things as humans that really don't help us along our path,
34:16
Speaker 2: and judgment is one of them. Judgment is a preconceived notion.
34:21
Speaker 2: Judgment has an absolute to it, judgment of self, judgment
34:24
Speaker 2: of others that doesn't get us anywhere. You know, being
34:28
Speaker 2: curious allows us to discern versus judge. Judge, you hit
34:37
Speaker 2: using the journey analysis, you know, metaphor you hit the
34:42
Speaker 2: dead end when you judge, when you discern. When you
34:46
Speaker 2: are curious, you are open to new roads and you
34:50
Speaker 2: may be a little afraid, but you're still being curious
34:55
Speaker 2: along the way, and it may lead you to someplace
34:58
Speaker 2: you have never ever than before that you couldn't even
35:02
Speaker 2: imagine and is so spectacular, But along the way. We
35:06
Speaker 2: have to just stay curious and not let judgment, not
35:09
Speaker 2: let fear, and not let some you know, some of
35:11
Speaker 2: those limiting beliefs stop us on this journey that we've
35:16
Speaker 2: got going on here.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Eugene I on Esco I'm the paraphrase,
35:21
Speaker 1: said that enlightenment starts with the question, not the answer.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And if you want to look at the
35:30
Speaker 2: difference maybe perhaps between our physical selves and that eternal
35:35
Speaker 2: light self, the light is nothing but a question. Our
35:40
Speaker 2: internal light is nothing more than curiosity.
35:45
Speaker 1: Absolutely. With each chapter you offer readers exercises to follow,
35:50
Speaker 1: please tell us a little about these exercises and what
35:53
Speaker 1: they may learn from them.
35:55
Speaker 2: So in the first book, I do a lot. I
35:58
Speaker 2: do a lot of exercises that I utilize in my
36:01
Speaker 2: work with clients, which is breaking down the concept of
36:05
Speaker 2: top down processing, which is thought, explicit memory and utilizing
36:12
Speaker 2: maybe language and words to send information down but bottom up, right,
36:19
Speaker 2: our nervous system has felt, experience, has perception, has images
36:26
Speaker 2: symbols that sometimes the mind doesn't doesn't like the dubiousness
36:33
Speaker 2: of that, right, So I do a lot of I
36:36
Speaker 2: try to do a lot of bottom up on both
36:39
Speaker 2: in both books, but this book, I do a lot
36:42
Speaker 2: of allowing for different movements, to just be curious with
36:51
Speaker 2: the experience that's happening within your body. I'm I actually
36:57
Speaker 2: did a lot of my own meditation on my own health,
37:05
Speaker 2: and I then saw a few of these experience exercises,
37:12
Speaker 2: I should say, and then I worked on them myself
37:15
Speaker 2: and I actually found some relief. But again those don't
37:18
Speaker 2: have the validity that something like IFS or EMDR has
37:21
Speaker 2: where there's thirty years of research. Some of the things
37:25
Speaker 2: that I bring to the table in this book are
37:27
Speaker 2: very intuitive, but I also offer that listen to and
37:32
Speaker 2: there's a lot of this in this book, listen to
37:35
Speaker 2: your own intuition, and I offer some exercises in this
37:40
Speaker 2: new book about how to listen to your own personal experience.
37:46
Speaker 2: What do you need? We never asked that question. I
37:49
Speaker 2: asked that question in my sessions, and I will ask
37:53
Speaker 2: that with clients I've worked with for years, what do
37:56
Speaker 2: you need? And I still get that deer in the
38:00
Speaker 2: headlight look because we don't stop enough to ask that
38:04
Speaker 2: question for ourselves. So a lot of these exercises, I
38:07
Speaker 2: hope we'll bring people down to being able to ask
38:10
Speaker 2: that question for themselves.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. When I was training salespeople in
38:15
Speaker 1: the industry that I was involved with for forty four years,
38:18
Speaker 1: one of the questions that I would ask them is
38:21
Speaker 1: what does the customer really want? Which basically is the
38:23
Speaker 1: same thing as what you need, and it's something that
38:26
Speaker 1: people don't think about. They go for sometimes the quick answer,
38:29
Speaker 1: the quick sale in the case of sales, but not
38:33
Speaker 1: really the overall picture of what the outcome can be
38:36
Speaker 1: if you truly look at what they truly.
38:38
Speaker 2: Need, right, And we were driven by it, which is
38:43
Speaker 2: really kind of funny if you think about it. We're
38:45
Speaker 2: driven by that and sometimes we don't differentiate between our want, yeah,
38:49
Speaker 2: versus our need, but we are still driven by it.
38:52
Speaker 2: We still act from it, but we haven't slowed down
38:56
Speaker 2: enough to integrate the answer, you know, to ask the
39:01
Speaker 2: question so that we can really genuinely integrate an answer
39:04
Speaker 2: to it. We're just constantly driven. We're constantly what do
39:07
Speaker 2: we need? What do we need? What do I want?
39:08
Speaker 2: What do I want? But we never actually ask the question,
39:11
Speaker 2: so we're what would you say, you're driven by the
39:13
Speaker 2: question more than the answer or no, you're driven by
39:17
Speaker 2: the answer more than the question, but you haven't really
39:18
Speaker 2: defined the answer correct.
39:20
Speaker 1: Absolutely. One of the exercises that you offer is called
39:24
Speaker 1: Earth to Sky zip. What is it? How does it work?
39:28
Speaker 2: I love this exercise and it's taken from the movement
39:33
Speaker 2: of Chikong, which I'm starting to get very intrigued by
39:37
Speaker 2: and want to study more. And if you're in a
39:42
Speaker 2: safe place, do this. If you're driving, do not do this.
39:45
Speaker 2: Just as an experiment. Imagine yourself from your crown all
39:49
Speaker 2: the way down to your root chakra. Just do an
39:52
Speaker 2: unzip like imagine there's a zipper there and just do
39:54
Speaker 2: an unzip now, just you could be You don't even
40:00
Speaker 2: have to touch your ground. Right now, do a zip up,
40:04
Speaker 2: zip up from the root from your lap all the
40:07
Speaker 2: way up your mid to or so to the top
40:09
Speaker 2: of your crown. And notice how you feel. I haven't
40:16
Speaker 2: said every time I do this as somebody, they say,
40:19
Speaker 2: I feel more contained, I feel more grounded. I feel
40:22
Speaker 2: less like I'm flying, like my energy is falling apart.
40:27
Speaker 2: So when we can do that, especially outside, if we
40:31
Speaker 2: can do that outside, we don't have to be outside.
40:34
Speaker 2: Imagine reaching down to the ground, right, pulling the energy
40:38
Speaker 2: from the earth, pulling it all the way up between
40:41
Speaker 2: your legs like a zipper, big zipper that's been unzipped.
40:45
Speaker 2: Pull it up up up through your legs, over your
40:48
Speaker 2: root chakra, your sacral your solar plexus, your heart, your throat,
40:52
Speaker 2: all the way up to the ground, all the way
40:53
Speaker 2: up to the top of your head. And I actually
40:56
Speaker 2: will as I'm talking it. I'm doing this. No one
40:59
Speaker 2: can see me. I'm extending my arm outward. I zip
41:02
Speaker 2: way up to where my arm is extended, and it's
41:06
Speaker 2: just such a grounding experience. I bring that all and
41:12
Speaker 2: I bring these things, by the way into my into
41:15
Speaker 2: my therapy practice. These are the things that I also
41:18
Speaker 2: allow my clients to really work with their subtle energies
41:21
Speaker 2: in that regard. So did you try it, Victor? While
41:25
Speaker 2: I was describing it, I'm still there. You do, and
41:32
Speaker 2: if you're feeling out of sorts, do that. I'm telling
41:34
Speaker 2: you it is fantastic.
41:36
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that earthing aspect is very important.
41:38
Speaker 2: Also, yes, yes, I do mention earthing, and I forgot
41:42
Speaker 2: I mentioned earthing in the book. I live in the city,
41:45
Speaker 2: but I had to have some property behind me, so
41:48
Speaker 2: I've found my new house has a lovely backyard, smacked
41:51
Speaker 2: out in the city. So I hit both my extroverted
41:54
Speaker 2: aspects where I can get out, walk around, see my neighbors,
41:57
Speaker 2: you know, do my little community thing, and then I
41:59
Speaker 2: can I'm home and I lay on my grass the
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Speaker 2: earthing just I mean, there's studies that are being done.
42:07
Speaker 2: Heartmouth has been doing a lot of studies in this
42:11
Speaker 2: regard as to how we pull in the energy from
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Speaker 2: the earth, and we need this for our bodies. We are,
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Speaker 2: our bodies are of this earth, and we need that grounding,
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Speaker 2: We need that connection.
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Speaker 1: My guest is CJ. Llewell in her new book Chakras,
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week CJ. Llewellyn
43:40
Speaker 1: her new book Chakras, The Vegas Nerve and Your Soul. CJ.
43:46
Speaker 1: How do the chakras interface with the vegas nerve?
43:51
Speaker 2: So we have end points if you think of it
43:55
Speaker 2: that way or not. Naughties excuse me, naughties are more
43:59
Speaker 2: of a I can do uh wiring of the chakras
44:06
Speaker 2: going upward. But we have endpoints to our nervous system
44:12
Speaker 2: and where, and of course we have by the way,
44:15
Speaker 2: we have hundreds of chakras throughout our body because we
44:18
Speaker 2: have hundreds of thousands of nerve endings as well. But
44:22
Speaker 2: the ancients seem to believe that these were nerve endings,
44:26
Speaker 2: but they didn't have access, They didn't have the scientific
44:30
Speaker 2: equipment that we have now for these nerve endings to
44:34
Speaker 2: be viewed. But they end up we end up with
44:39
Speaker 2: some different points where our nervous system ends. And I
44:46
Speaker 2: have always maintained that this is where this is. This
44:50
Speaker 2: is how I break it down in the book. Our
44:52
Speaker 2: soul energy is what's charging our nervous system. It just is, because,
44:56
Speaker 2: as we discussed in our last segment, when our soul
44:59
Speaker 2: and our lightly this body, our bodies just nothing more
45:03
Speaker 2: than a mass. So it is charging through the nervous
45:07
Speaker 2: system almost like electricity goes through wiring in our house.
45:13
Speaker 2: And when it does that, it certainly does not end
45:17
Speaker 2: at the end points of these nerves. It extends outward,
45:23
Speaker 2: and where the nerve centers are a little bit more condensed,
45:27
Speaker 2: we end up with these these energy centers called chakras,
45:31
Speaker 2: which you know from the Sanskrit view of the world
45:36
Speaker 2: that that's where our energy centers are that are felt
45:39
Speaker 2: more intensely. However, these expand outward. I don't even get
45:42
Speaker 2: into aras because I'm giving enough, I'm giving too many
45:47
Speaker 2: layers in the book not too many layers, but I'm
45:48
Speaker 2: giving a lot of layers in the book to begin with.
45:50
Speaker 2: So we end up with this energy that extends outward
45:56
Speaker 2: along the way, our soul energy through this conversation with
46:02
Speaker 2: the chakras, through the charging of the chakras, those data
46:07
Speaker 2: sets that have been set within our nervous system are
46:11
Speaker 2: also combining with this energy center. So when we talk
46:16
Speaker 2: about how people talk about, oh, I have to open
46:20
Speaker 2: up this chakra or the chakras carrying this or that,
46:22
Speaker 2: it's actually from the inside out job right, Because we
46:27
Speaker 2: may be holding onto memories from early childhood that we
46:31
Speaker 2: feel or may be perceived as the root chakra is blocked,
46:36
Speaker 2: But what we might be holding on to is trauma
46:39
Speaker 2: around the dorsal veagel complex, around the sympathetic complex that
46:44
Speaker 2: reach down into the sereum. I'm trying not to get
46:46
Speaker 2: to sciencey here that need to be processed through other
46:53
Speaker 2: avenues beyond just the energy work. So that then when
46:59
Speaker 2: we should lift our nervous system, when we clear trauma
47:03
Speaker 2: from our bodies, when we move in ways that allow
47:08
Speaker 2: these memories and these experiences to reform in different safer ways,
47:15
Speaker 2: our chakras, our energy centers shift. They shift naturally. We
47:23
Speaker 2: can do energy work from the outside in, but the
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Speaker 2: permanent shifts come from that inside out because that's where
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Speaker 2: that's the data sets. That's what I mean. It's not
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Speaker 2: an official term. I'm using that to help people develop
47:39
Speaker 2: a sense of image here, but that's where the data
47:43
Speaker 2: sets hold on too, images and experiences that extend outward
47:50
Speaker 2: into our etheric realm. The etheric realm being the energy
47:54
Speaker 2: that we feel, the energy that we feel from other
47:56
Speaker 2: people as they're just simply standing next to them, the
47:59
Speaker 2: energy that walks in the room before we do.
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Speaker 1: What is the importance of breath work on this journey?
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Speaker 2: So during breath work obviously intuitive we've known from the
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Speaker 2: beginning of time that breath work is important. What breath
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Speaker 2: work does is it can engage the nervous system in
48:22
Speaker 2: ways that are very invigorating. That engages sympathetic nervous you know,
48:29
Speaker 2: the nervous system in a sympathetic way that is safe.
48:32
Speaker 2: But also on the exhale, we are slowing down the
48:37
Speaker 2: heart rate, right those beats between beats get longer. There
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Speaker 2: is safety that becomes more established within the system. Our
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Speaker 2: engagement with slowing down the breath slows down, as we
48:50
Speaker 2: were talking earlier, the blood pressure, it slows everything down
48:57
Speaker 2: to send messages of safety and engagement with the safety
49:02
Speaker 2: branch of the vagus nerve. So breath work is very important.
49:06
Speaker 2: When we are stressed and we're only breathing from the
49:09
Speaker 2: top of our lungs, this branch, the safety branch of
49:13
Speaker 2: our vegus nerve, is not getting that full message that
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Speaker 2: we're okay. Because when we're not, when we're having to run, right,
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Speaker 2: we're having to run from from the tiger, we're having
49:25
Speaker 2: to run from a scary person that's running after us,
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Speaker 2: We're not to sit there and breathe deeply. We're suppose
49:33
Speaker 2: our body shifts into more sympathetic engagement. We get shorter breasts,
49:37
Speaker 2: our muscles tighten, blood gets you know, the blood pressure
49:42
Speaker 2: pushes through our muscles a lot harder and faster because
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Speaker 2: our muscles are tightened because we are engaged to move,
49:48
Speaker 2: we are engaged to run, and we are engaged to
49:52
Speaker 2: keep ourselves safe. In that way, fight here, the fight
49:55
Speaker 2: or flight response is afterwards. The the deeper breath work
50:01
Speaker 2: can come in once we're safe as well, because then
50:03
Speaker 2: we start sending safety queues. Back into the system. So
50:08
Speaker 2: if we're not thinking, if we're thinking in a way
50:11
Speaker 2: talking about judgment, we're thinking in ways that are judgmental
50:15
Speaker 2: of self or others. Right there, our brain is sending
50:18
Speaker 2: cues to our body that we're not safe. Well, this
50:21
Speaker 2: person is this, that person is this. We have to
50:25
Speaker 2: that person believes this, So we're not safe with this person.
50:28
Speaker 2: None of this is a fact, but it registers in
50:32
Speaker 2: the nervous system in the vegas nerve is a fact.
50:36
Speaker 2: And if so and so wasn't safe because they don't
50:38
Speaker 2: believe what we believe, Well, there we are. We're off
50:40
Speaker 2: to the races, and we are thinking. We're engaging our
50:43
Speaker 2: sympathetic branches, our movement, our fight branches. We're tight. Of course,
50:48
Speaker 2: we're sitting in our office typing away. We are sending
50:52
Speaker 2: mixed signals to our body. So knowing our thoughts how
50:57
Speaker 2: they affect and send messages down that top down processing
51:02
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier, how they affect our system
51:05
Speaker 2: is vital to our own reality, our own engagement in
51:09
Speaker 2: the world, our own health physical that actually mental is physical.
51:15
Speaker 2: Mental psychological is a physical health as well.
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Speaker 1: And how does this reflect in the body to soul approach.
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Speaker 2: So when we are feeling safe, we are able to
51:30
Speaker 2: access that light. When we are feeling that we have
51:35
Speaker 2: to run from I'm trying to think of it. You know,
51:38
Speaker 2: the lion that escapes from the zoo. We just got
51:42
Speaker 2: to get the heck out of there. We have to
51:45
Speaker 2: run and climb up that tree or jump into the car.
51:49
Speaker 2: This is when we have to become a very human experience.
51:55
Speaker 2: This is when our nervous system says, none of this
51:58
Speaker 2: stuff matters. None of this stuff is going to matter
52:00
Speaker 2: until you get yourself into a safe place. So that
52:04
Speaker 2: is that that leaning in and leaning out of the
52:07
Speaker 2: human experience. You're you know, you're not going to sit
52:11
Speaker 2: there and continue to meditate when an angry lion is
52:14
Speaker 2: running after you to attack you. You're going to find
52:17
Speaker 2: a way out of that situation. So being able once
52:23
Speaker 2: you are safe, first of all, having your body identify safety.
52:28
Speaker 2: This is part of the trauma work. This is part
52:31
Speaker 2: of what I help my clients with is pulling in
52:35
Speaker 2: actual cues of physical safety when they are actually safe,
52:41
Speaker 2: but their mind might not believe it is so queuing
52:45
Speaker 2: the body differently, allowing for safety to integrate into the system,
52:51
Speaker 2: allows the body to come enough and then that light
52:54
Speaker 2: is in there.
52:57
Speaker 1: And as you share, you have a very eum titled chapter.
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Speaker 1: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas if you're not careful.
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Speaker 2: It's the whole reason I wrote that book is so
53:08
Speaker 2: that I could actually use that title.
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Speaker 1: And of course we're not talking about Las Vegas.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about now it's a vagus. Yeah, yeah, I'm
53:23
Speaker 2: glad they let me use that title for that that
53:26
Speaker 2: chapter because I say that all the time to my clients. Look,
53:29
Speaker 2: what happens in your Vegas stays in near Vegas because
53:34
Speaker 2: our nervous system is brilliant, It is smart. It is
53:38
Speaker 2: reading the room, it is looking for cues, and it
53:40
Speaker 2: has been before we were born. Right, if our parents
53:44
Speaker 2: were arguing, if there was a lot of volatility, our
53:48
Speaker 2: nervous system already getting programmed for that, because it's feeling right,
53:52
Speaker 2: it's feeling the nervous system of the mother's it's picking
53:55
Speaker 2: up these cues, it's establishing what's to come. So it's
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Speaker 2: already in there. What happens in Vegas, what gets programmed
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Speaker 2: in stays there until we are aware that it is
54:08
Speaker 2: programmed there. Then we have full freedom and capacity and
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Speaker 2: opportunities to shift this and work differently, and that's the
54:17
Speaker 2: honoring of the body as part of the spiritual process.
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Speaker 1: By the way, my guest CJ. Llewellen her brand new
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Speaker 1: book Chakras, The Vagus Nerve and your Soul, Journeying to
54:29
Speaker 1: wellness through subtle energy and your nervous system. CJ. Please
54:33
Speaker 1: one more time share with our listeners where they can
54:36
Speaker 1: get your books and find out more about you and
54:37
Speaker 1: your amazing work.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so, Cjllewellen dot com. Building I'm continuing to
54:45
Speaker 2: sort of build out my website as a place where
54:47
Speaker 2: we can come and just read and just have a
54:51
Speaker 2: community here. And by the way, Llewellen is my Llewellen
54:56
Speaker 2: is two l's upfront and one in the middle. So
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Speaker 2: L L E W E L y N c J.
55:03
Speaker 2: Llewellen dot com. I am on Instagram, I'm on Facebook,
55:07
Speaker 2: I'm starting to play around again on TikTok, and I'm
55:10
Speaker 2: even on where else am I? Which? Look what did
55:14
Speaker 2: I say I was on me for? Oh? And I'm
55:18
Speaker 2: on I'm trying out a little bit of Blue Sky,
55:21
Speaker 2: so I'm playing around on there as well, And you
55:25
Speaker 2: can get my books anywhere they're selling books. Right now,
55:28
Speaker 2: you can go to llewellynbooks dot com. Different spelling, no relation.
55:33
Speaker 2: That's two l's upfront and two in the middle, by
55:35
Speaker 2: the way, so it's not a complicated name, but it
55:38
Speaker 2: looks very complicated. So llewellynbooks dot com. You can go
55:42
Speaker 2: to parts of Noble Access on Amazon. They are in
55:46
Speaker 2: your bookstores, and if they aren't, just let them know
55:49
Speaker 2: they need to put it in there.
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Speaker 1: CJ. I think we should all get together and have
55:53
Speaker 1: a conference in Vegas.
55:55
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then and then what happens in Vegas. We'll
55:59
Speaker 2: just kind of keep it to ourselves.
56:01
Speaker 1: That's right.
56:02
Speaker 2: We're not keep it to ourselves, bring it to our therapist.
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Speaker 1: That's right. CJ. Thank you so much for joining us
56:08
Speaker 1: and sharing all of this wisdom in the world that
56:09
Speaker 1: needs this kind of wisdom.
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Speaker 2: Now, thank you, Thank you Victor for having me.
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Speaker 1: It's good to be back, and thank you for joining
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Speaker 1: us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor la Voice Furman. Have
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Speaker 1: a wonderful week.