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Lamont Roach Deserves to be a Star · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknown,
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  Speaker 1: but hailing from the city of Sins.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Jamison Welch.
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  Speaker 1: And in this corner, standing at five foot ten, weighing
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  Speaker 1: in at pound and coming to us from his super
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  Speaker 1: secret bunker with no AC in Tucson, Arizona. Put your
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  Speaker 1: hands together for Luis Montemao.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the episode of Mixed Company Podcast. On
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  Speaker 1: one half of the show, I'm Jameson as always a
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  Speaker 1: norm by Luis, and this is a shorty edition, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not gonna be forty five minutes, it's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: be an hour and a half. An hour and fifteen
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  Speaker 1: you guys for a short edition because we've got some
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  Speaker 1: important stuff to talk about. Louise, Man, what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we gotta.
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  Speaker 4: I like these shorties because you know, we get to
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  Speaker 4: focus on a single topic and you know, just kind
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  Speaker 4: of dig deep into that. But today I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: talk about our our boy, Lamont Roach, coming back on
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  Speaker 4: a first against William Zeppetta in Las Vegas. So Lamont Roach,
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  Speaker 4: last time we saw him a draw against Pittbull Cruise.
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  Speaker 4: Before that, we saw him getting absolutely robbed during the
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  Speaker 4: Tank Davis fight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, there's that one.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't say robbed a lot when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to the judges' decisions because I'm like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: people see it differently this or that. You know that
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  Speaker 4: the Tank fight was definitely Tuk should should have gotten
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  Speaker 4: appoint to duck that and Lamont Roch should have won
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  Speaker 4: that fight. So he got screwed it. It sucks, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, he looked good in the ring and against
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  Speaker 4: Pittbull Cruise. You know, I think I think that was
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  Speaker 4: a fair draw. I also think that going up against
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  Speaker 4: Pittbull Cruz is uh and coming out you know, on
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  Speaker 4: your feet is a big big deal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So Lamont mos has absolutely proved himself to be a
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  Speaker 4: very good strong contender, strong fighter in the ring. And
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  Speaker 4: then William Zebeta. Last we saw him, he lost to
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  Speaker 4: Sho cor Stevenson, but he took a very respectable l
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  Speaker 4: h look great. Honestly, he gave he pushed Shakur to
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  Speaker 4: give his best performance up to that point in the ring,
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  Speaker 4: very aggressive rock Shakor once you know, it actually looked
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  Speaker 4: like he could have he could have pulled off the wind.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Again, I think it was a fair decision for Shakur.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm really really interested in seeing these guys in
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  Speaker 4: the ring together. So let's start here, Jamison, what are
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  Speaker 4: your thoughts on you know, a guy with two draws
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  Speaker 4: and a guy with a loss. I'm excited because I
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  Speaker 4: saw them in the ring, But what does this do
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  Speaker 4: for the average fan who is like are the people
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  Speaker 4: out there who are like, we don't care?
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  Speaker 1: These guys are losers, you know what I mean? No,
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  Speaker 1: because they fought famous people, that's the thing. They weren't
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  Speaker 1: high profile fights. So people definitely watched the Tang fight
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  Speaker 1: for sure. That was I mean everyone who was any
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  Speaker 1: kind of interesting watched that one. And then the Courts
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  Speaker 1: of Paia fight wasn't as viewed, but it was. It
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  Speaker 1: was commonly watched. So that said, these are names and
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  Speaker 1: people recognize, like, oh I remember and he fought such
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  Speaker 1: and such.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a good fight.
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  Speaker 1: And it's interest that you mentioned the type of fighters
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  Speaker 1: they're all, even when you bring up Pitbull Cruise, they're
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  Speaker 1: all kind of in a similar tea a fighter. They're
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  Speaker 1: not the main guys that can necessarily sell a huge fight,
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  Speaker 1: but they're big enough to where they can be a
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  Speaker 1: part of a big car, a part of a really
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  Speaker 1: good car. So whoever wins this is in line to
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  Speaker 1: get a really good fight, but whoever loses it is
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  Speaker 1: not the range either. So it's a very interesting situation.
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  Speaker 1: And I think all guys are kind of closed like
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  Speaker 1: talent wise and resume wise and whatnot. There's not a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of this. The tune up fight for one
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  Speaker 1: and a.
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  Speaker 2: Step in classes, I'm not I ain't really the case.
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  Speaker 1: It's more of like, hey, whoever gets this, whoever wins
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  Speaker 1: this one is gonna be in line to get a
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  Speaker 1: pretty big fight in the next six months. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what more of this is.
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  Speaker 2: Like.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like, uh, we're just fighting, it's the fight,
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  Speaker 1: and it feels like where wins this is in line
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  Speaker 1: to get the next big, big fight.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, for me, I just love
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  Speaker 4: watching fights and I like watching skilled fighters getting the
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  Speaker 4: ring together. So you know, sometimes I'm curious as to
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  Speaker 4: how I guess what would you call it. I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to say people on the outside because that's not
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  Speaker 4: what I'm talking about. Just people just tend to poop
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  Speaker 4: poo everything, you know, all the time. We know that, So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think this is a really great fight
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  Speaker 4: and most of these guys, it's going to be a
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  Speaker 4: good showcase for them. Of course, I'm sure they're haters
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  Speaker 4: out there. They're always going to be, But I guess,
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  Speaker 4: I guess what I'm trying to say, it's hard for
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  Speaker 4: me to determine whether it's a fight that I'm just
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  Speaker 4: excited for or if it.
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  Speaker 3: Is a big, big deal. If that makes sense, you
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  Speaker 3: know why, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: But I think that definitely, it's really cool seeing that
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  Speaker 4: even though La Mount Roach has a couple of draws
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  Speaker 4: and Williams took an l that we're not saying that
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  Speaker 4: these guys are worthless or they're you know, shitty boxers
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  Speaker 4: or that. Yeah, I think, and I've said it before,
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  Speaker 4: but I do think that boxing fans are a little
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  Speaker 4: too hard when somebody you know has a bad night
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  Speaker 4: or takes a loss. And you know, again, I think
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  Speaker 4: that I think the biggest thing. Yeah, Williams Sebet is
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  Speaker 4: not the biggest name, but and the Schakor fight wasn't
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  Speaker 4: seen as much, but pretty much everybody in boxing was
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  Speaker 4: talking about what a good performance it was and how
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  Speaker 4: Shikur definitely had to step it up, you know, he
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  Speaker 4: couldn't he and he Another.
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  Speaker 3: Thing too is that he was in the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Because Securi is the big name, but Shakur wasn't doing
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  Speaker 4: the dodge in and you know, dancing around like he
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  Speaker 4: was being very aggressive. So, uh so, I think both
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  Speaker 4: of these guys are well matched. Now here's my thing.
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  Speaker 4: Williams at bet that Mexican guy, pibol Cruz Mexican as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah they're not big, big tier names, but they you know, Mexicans.
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  Speaker 3: Are gonna support their people always to go heavily. It's
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  Speaker 3: like a locked in fan base.
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  Speaker 4: Uh dmont Roach nobody knew who Helly was or carried
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  Speaker 4: Helly was before the tag fight, Let's be honest, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 4: I think his fame is definitely not to say that
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  Speaker 4: Williams ad better at pible Cruz, it's like artificial or
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  Speaker 4: anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying any of that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying it's much different when you don't have
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  Speaker 4: a locked in fan base for a guy like Lamont Roach.
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  Speaker 3: To make a name for himself.
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  Speaker 2: True.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm I'm actually I'm kind of pulling for Lamont
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  Speaker 4: Roach on this one. You know, like I said, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think he got screwed against people. I think that
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  Speaker 4: he did get screwed against Tank, But I think it's
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  Speaker 4: time for him to take home to w I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what are your thoughts on his chances here, So.
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  Speaker 1: Roach, it's fascinating, right, Like the two most high profile
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  Speaker 1: fights of his career kind of letdowns in a sense, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like you can make argument that if he beats Tank,
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  Speaker 1: obviously things are way different. He doesn't fight pitball group,
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  Speaker 1: so it's way way different. But it feels like somebody
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  Speaker 1: that has not satisfied. He's not got over the hump,
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  Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Right. He's close, He's really close
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  Speaker 1: turning the corner and being an umber to your guy.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't been able to do that yet. So that's
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  Speaker 1: where it's very fascinating. I'll be very curious to see
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  Speaker 1: what ends up happening with him, because it's one of
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  Speaker 1: those things where you either take the next step and
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  Speaker 1: become that guy, or you take a step back and
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  Speaker 1: you kind of just become just another guy, right, you
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  Speaker 1: kind of become everybody else. So he's at a weird
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say crossroads, but he's got a weird mark
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  Speaker 1: of his career where he can go either way, right,
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  Speaker 1: he can make a really he can have a.
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  Speaker 2: Hell of a fight coming up, take the next step.
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  Speaker 1: Now, he's one of the guys that you got to
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  Speaker 1: mention in the division, but also when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: big fights. And he also has the whole South of
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  Speaker 1: the whole East Coast behind him. He's from d C
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  Speaker 1: which is a big market, a lot of people here,
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  Speaker 1: so all the people Maryland, Virginia, all these coat like.
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  Speaker 2: He has a pretty good following.
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  Speaker 1: It keeps on increasing every you know, every fight, so
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot there is just more about him. Can
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  Speaker 1: he put together a full twelve round display, not eight,
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  Speaker 1: not ten, not take round off here and there, because
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  Speaker 1: if you go back to that securer fight when you're fight, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: when you're when you're about to take fight, when you
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  Speaker 1: go back and look at it, there are certain rounds
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  Speaker 1: where he could have put more pressure on take to
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  Speaker 1: make it undisputed to win that fight when you got
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  Speaker 1: when you're taking away a champions, oh, you basically got
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  Speaker 1: to win every round, like you can't leave any round
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  Speaker 1: up to interpretent and.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like there was too many rounds he.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't take off, but he didn't complete a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the rounds and that's why he got theres all he
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  Speaker 1: got he got, which wasn't necessarily his fault.
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  Speaker 2: It's just how things break down and boxing.
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  Speaker 1: So with that being said, I want to see a
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  Speaker 1: complete performance from him and then we can go from there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I appreciate that that side of it, because
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  Speaker 4: let's be very clear. You know, I we all say
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  Speaker 4: that lamont Roe should have won that fight because Tank
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  Speaker 4: took a knee, a point should have been deducted. And uh,
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  Speaker 4: for whatever reason you take a knee, the point you
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  Speaker 4: hit the chevas, you know the point has to be
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  Speaker 4: taken away.
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  Speaker 2: I'll I'll drive a low blow. There's no other reason
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  Speaker 2: taking me in the ring.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely so.
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  Speaker 4: But if you ignore that and you focus just on
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  Speaker 4: the boxing that we saw, if Tank never took that knee,
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  Speaker 4: I do think that it was not a clear win
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  Speaker 4: for lamont Roach. Uh it was I guess what what
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  Speaker 4: would you call it? Like a robbery based on procedure
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  Speaker 4: instead of performance.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Give the fight.
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  Speaker 1: It was a close fight, but you're not gonna take
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  Speaker 1: away an undefeated champ.
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  Speaker 2: That's a huge pay per view draws. Oh away by
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  Speaker 2: just fighting a good fight. It don't work that.
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  Speaker 1: You got to either knock the champ out or you
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  Speaker 1: have to decisively win every round.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't do that, you're just not gonna win.
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  Speaker 1: Don't work that way because the judges are gonna Everyone
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  Speaker 1: judges a fight differently, so you may judge the fight
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  Speaker 1: differently than I do. So you may see something that
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  Speaker 1: roach is doing that I don't see, ad vice versa.
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  Speaker 1: Or you might value it differently, so I might value
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  Speaker 1: power punches, you might value activity. So over twelve rounds,
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  Speaker 1: if one guy's more active but one guy's got more
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  Speaker 1: power shots, who knows how it's gonna work out. So
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  Speaker 1: that's where you can't leave it up to the judges.
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  Speaker 1: You either got to knock out out or you gotta
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  Speaker 1: decisively win the fight to an extent where it's like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: we need to do an investigation if it's called for
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  Speaker 1: this guy.
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  Speaker 2: When Canela lost.
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  Speaker 1: Four years ago, that was a situation where you had
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  Speaker 1: to basically decide the beats one up for a whole
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  Speaker 1: fight something like that.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't do that, then it's not gonna work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I uh, and amazing that you just said.
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  Speaker 4: Four years ago. Holy crap, like it is. The be
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  Speaker 4: Ball fight was twenty twenty two. That's uh, that's nuts
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  Speaker 4: to me.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I saw it like I was that I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it was single a mile of twenty two when
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  Speaker 2: I'm mistaken it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was, yes, yeah, I uh I when I saw
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  Speaker 4: that fight, you know, at first, I was like, man,
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  Speaker 4: this this rescue guy's kind of he's he's won a
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  Speaker 4: few rounds here. You know, Canelo needs to step it up,
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  Speaker 4: and he's usually a slow starter, you know, have like
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  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, maybe around four or five,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, he's he's got a guy. He has to
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  Speaker 4: have it now, Canelo's got this guy, timed, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: I downloaded information and I just kept watching it. Nothing
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  Speaker 4: was changing, and I was like, holy shit, he lost
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  Speaker 4: that fight. Like as a Canilo fan boy watching it,
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  Speaker 4: there was.
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  Speaker 3: No doubt in my mind. And uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: people can.
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  Speaker 4: Say like, well Canelo won this round in this rounde
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  Speaker 4: and other people might think that Bevo won that round instead,
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  Speaker 4: blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, yeah, there was no
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  Speaker 3: wiggle room there.
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  Speaker 4: And and Tokenells Grete, who was just like he said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Keep you know, walk
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  Speaker 3: in my head held high.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, another thing that we said recently, it bears
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  Speaker 4: repeating the ref's favor of the champ and the judges
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  Speaker 4: favor of the champ.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so I.
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  Speaker 1: Money involved, Like, yeah, to think about it, It's deeper
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  Speaker 1: than just wins and losses. It's deeper because a champ
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  Speaker 1: brings crowds, it brings travel, it brings tickets, it brings
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  Speaker 1: paper views. Uh, It's deeper than just the twelve rounds
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  Speaker 1: in a ring. It's way deeper than that. A prime
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  Speaker 1: like for instance, if we ever do get Sakura and
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  Speaker 1: Tank in a ring, that's a big time fight. That's
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  Speaker 1: a fight that gets to normal TV. That's a fight
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  Speaker 1: they gets to normal for sports fans. That's a fight
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  Speaker 1: that brings interest outside of the sport. So yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you can keep that possibility alive, it becomes a mega event,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what the sport needs me and those as possible.
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  Speaker 1: That's why that's what we keep on hearing Crawford Canelo,
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  Speaker 1: That's what we keep on hearing murmurs because there's not
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those left, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So if that possibility, you want to get because that's
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  Speaker 1: where the money is, that's where the big money's at,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the money those generate. Also helps other fights
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  Speaker 1: as well throughout the year because you're able to put
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  Speaker 1: on for promotional companies, other fights, I pay the fighters well.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why you keep on hearing all these big names,
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  Speaker 1: all these big fights always talked about. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money involved. So that's why it's very difficult to
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  Speaker 1: take someone's oh away. It's very You have to knock
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  Speaker 1: out the champ. There is no other informent. There's no
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  Speaker 1: other advice I can give a fighter. If they're fighting
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  Speaker 1: gets a champ, that is a draw. You have to
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  Speaker 1: knock them out. If you're not going to knock them out,
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  Speaker 1: good luck.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and I understand one hundred percent what you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: I do get that sense of keeping you know, the
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  Speaker 4: champ's reputation, and but upsets are a big thing, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, the next having the next big guy, the
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  Speaker 4: guy who beat the guy is also a thing. So
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  Speaker 4: what what's the default there or is it just kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of so you're you're thoublems are correct, you're spot but
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  Speaker 1: you need by knockout. It's very rare that big ups
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  Speaker 1: happens by decision. Normally the ups to happens by knockout,
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  Speaker 1: t KO somebody whatever, how you want to, but it's
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  Speaker 1: normally by stoppage of some sort. That's normally the takeover
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  Speaker 1: the decision on the cards. That's tricky. That is, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to move it to the cards. For
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  Speaker 1: all things we've seen, good luck. I mean it always surprised,
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  Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say. But when you're taking something over,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta dominate, I mean dominate on them.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you gotta dominate the cards.
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  Speaker 1: And even then, man, I say, but the rule of
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  Speaker 1: thumb is this, if you're the underdog and you're fighting
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  Speaker 1: a champ, especially you're fighting them in their hometown, gotta
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  Speaker 1: knock them out.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta knock out. There's no there's no other way.
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  Speaker 4: And I was just talking about our producer Jabard Davis
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  Speaker 4: recently and he was saying, like, it's true, the only
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  Speaker 4: way that Buster Douglas beats Mike Tyson was with a knockout.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody knew that before the fighters like like there was
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  Speaker 4: no yeah, so and.
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  Speaker 3: It happened, so uh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I even so I would say, speaking anecdotally just on
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  Speaker 4: vibes and what I see. You know, if if you
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  Speaker 4: got a guy that beats a champ and it's even
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  Speaker 4: if it's in the unanimous decision, I feel like it's
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  Speaker 4: a little bit harder for the fans.
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  Speaker 3: Specifically to be like this is the new guy.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, just because people don't are
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  Speaker 4: going to switch allegiances unless, of course there's there's a knockout,
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  Speaker 4: a very clear or stoppage fact facts.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so I definitely get that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Lamont Roach has showed himself to be I
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  Speaker 4: think his best quality has been his defense because he
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: has kept himself from getting the ship beat out him
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: by two very aggressive fighters. I think possibly just needs
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: to be more on the attack. You know, he had
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: a couple, he has some really good counter punching against Peopull.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: He did get it, he did get rocks, he did
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: actually get I believe he got rocked, and I believe
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: his glove did touch the canvas. And then yes because
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: because pipul Cruise was about to run up again his ass,
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: but the ref jumped in so uh so to come
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: back from that with a draw and deservedly, Like that's
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: awesome because when a close match one point, like you're
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: you're screwed, you lose one point, and it's usually like
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: curtains for you, uh if it goes to the cards.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, williams Abeta was, like I said, very aggressive
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: against the cour and then Lamont kind of has a
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: similar good defense style that she does. But uh, he
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: wi I got he got a very aggressive performance out
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: of a defense guy before, right, right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm hoping for here.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm really hoping the Lamant roach definitely turns
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: up the power of strength counter punching. And I also
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: so here's the thing is another thing too personally speaking,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: I don't want after his you said, his sour experience
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: is not getting over him to then fade away because
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: he's worked so hard, you know what I mean.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: I want this guy to kind of have a little
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: bit more more time and more fame and fans and hype.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe maybe he has a few more years
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: and we don't hear about him again in twenty twenty
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: eight nine or whatever. But I don't think he deserves
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: to fade away just yet.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: So I agree. I agree.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Another interesting thing about this fight is that actually this
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: is the second fight, the first being Abdullah Mason on
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: July fourth. That is a partnership between The Zone and
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: T and T Sports. I actually hadn't realized that with
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: the Abdulah Macefi.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Did you know that this was the TNT was part
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: of these events?
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I was not aware until you mentioned it in our notes.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I was sarrived.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: But that's a good son because, well, you know what,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: TNT needs content because they lost the NBA, So that
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense now still a great because
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: we need as much as much boxing as possible.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: On network TV. So that's that's a really good sign.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm glad you mentioned that about the NBA.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I was actually gonna ask you if you had any
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: idea what the hell TNT was doing getting in the mix.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Here, But that makes perfect sense.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Actually, Yeah, so what they're doing is, oh I forgot,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: I forgot what it's called, like the the main event
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: or the fight whatever it is.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: It's a monthly boxing event.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: So, so the first one is Abdulla Mason July fourth,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: then we got Lamont Roach August first. I don't I
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: didn't see like what the contract was for how many
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: fights or how long or for a year or whatever,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: but consistently once a month a pretty you know, pretty
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: decently hyped fight and you know it's gonna be on TNT.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I'm all in, especially because I've complained about yet boxing
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: not being on network TV, linear TV, not being able
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: to have the bartender at the dive bar change the
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: channel to put the fight on when when I'm out. Uh.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's great, and it does appear that it'll
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: be on of course it's going to be on the
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: de Zone streaming app, but it does appear it's going
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: to be on actual TNT, like the network.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: As well, right right, right.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So they've never done anything if they boxing related,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: I can't think of any of the top of my
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: head have they I.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Mean, I think they've done I'm not.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: For some reason, I feel like boxing was on tn
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: T or TBS back in the day somehow someway, just
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: because it's like Turner always has every event possible one
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: way or another. But I don't recall it off.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Top well, and I I do.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: I feel like I don't remember this for sure with facts,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: but I kind of remember that every there was always
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: a boxing match on every basic cable channel, right, you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: everybody got dipped in there, so no, I think honestly,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: the thing about TNT is one of those things for
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: me personally is that it's always been there. I can't
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: think of any time I've ever followed anything on TNT,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: like any shows either.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I never followed the NBA, so I don't.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Know, I mean, it was it was kind of it
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: was kind of surprising to me honestly that that tn
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: T was getting in the mix. But it definitely makes
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent sense with them losing the NBA, where's
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: the NBA, Who's who has that?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Everyone?
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Espn NBC, Amazon, Let's see NBC Peacock, a lot, a
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: lot of outlets they have. It's spread across so you know,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: even he went T and T it was a part
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of the networks, but NBC basically replaced tn T. So
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how the NBA did it. But uh,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: tn T is always in like one off event, so
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I guess they did like one of George Foreman's comeback
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: fights back in the day, so they'll do stuff like that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: They were never like consistently having boxing matches off.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think I think even once a month.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Sure, of course, we'd like to have a boxing a
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: big match every single weekend, you know, not even not
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: even a big match, just like consistently know that every
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: weekend there's gonna be a match in the US on
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: a Saturday night, as.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Opposed to you know, overseas where it's during the day.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Uh So, I think this is a good sign. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: feel like this is something I'm gonna hope for. Uh that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: You know, a lot of things are kind of there's
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: these periods where you go into the new technology, new avenues,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: but then people kind of rediscover things people rediscover I
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: don't know, like FM radio it goes out of fashion
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: that it comes back and you know, the kids by
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Vinyls things like that, you know what I mean.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm hoping to a point where.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Sue Nish boxing on TV sor do they rediscover that
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: how good that could be. It's also a possibility because
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: streaming has now become cable or you need ten different.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Apps to watch watch.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we people predicted it, you know, I thought
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: of it when it was happening, When all of a
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: sudden you had to download one app it was it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: now Peacock for something, but it used to be Paramount
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Paramount plus for to watch a Star Trek show specifically
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: or something like that.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: It was exclusive to that one. Up, I was like,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: this is fucking stupid. I'm sorry. Now you're just doing
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the thing right.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: So hopefully maybe with with this these streaming wards, these
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: app wars, people are gonna rediscover hey man.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: You know, a basic, basic cable TV package not the
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: worst thing in the world.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: And if you put boxing back in, you know, on
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: a regular cable channel, it could be.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Good for the sport.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: So yeah, but that's pretty much all I kind of
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: wanted to discuss this week.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm very excited about.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: The Roach event, and I think I think it was
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: announced maybe like last week after we are were recorded,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: before the episode came out or something like that, so
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: we missed it. And then actually, and actually, I'm gonna
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: throw a curve ball here before we go. The whole
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: thing about Shakoor signing was ZUFA boxing. Eddie Hern said it,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Chakour denied it. We don't really know. There's no announcement,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: nothing official. Yet everybody's talking about it like it's a
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: real thing, right, I don't know. The possibility is that
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: let me know if this happens too. A readon with
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: other sports that people deny it because they want the
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: announcement to be a big deal, so they're kind of
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: lying about it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Is that a thing that leverage, right, So you want
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to whatever leverage you have, you want to maintain it
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: until something is official.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: So, yes, announcements are made strategically. It's never just comes
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: out randomly.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: There's always announcement reasons for whether there's endorsements attached to,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: whether there's some sort of contractual agreement that you're negotiating,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: whatever it is.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of different reasons why an announcement would
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: either break or be rumored of.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So, for instance, let's say if someone's done a bidding
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: war for us uh and you tweet, you put on
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: TikTok or instagram saying hey, such and such as bidding
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: for us, let's go.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: That probably wouldn't be the smartest thing, but you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: there's times where one of the.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Two bidders might put something out there to kind of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: mess up the leverage one for another party.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: So it's all tactics. It all depends on what going on.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: That's all okay, Okay, I want to get that out
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: there because I just sawd something about it before we
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: got onto the show and before we got on the mic.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: But I here's the thing.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Based on what you're saying and what I'm seeing, it
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: seems like it's probably a done deal. It just has
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: not been announced, which is a real bummer. We're definitely
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: gonna have to talk about that because I wouldn't be
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: very happy to see shakor officially.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: With zoof anyway.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Just an after thought here, I just want to make
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: sure that we plugged in because we haven't really mentioned it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: We want to make sure that you know we're keeping
• 23:29
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• 23:33
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• 23:38
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• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of boxes coming up. Can't wait. We got
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of fights come up,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of discussions I have, so I can't wait
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: for the second half of the year.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's gonna It's been a good year so
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: far for boxing, and we got a lot coming up.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: That.
• 23:55
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