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Pedaling through life | Rabbi Spivak , Part 2 · None of Your Business Podcast

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  A good friend of mine comes to me and shul and says I just got
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  back from bike for hike and it is the most unbelievable
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  experience for the most unbelievable call, right?
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  And and, and just he's Aaron. You have to do it next year.
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  You have to do bike for hike. I'm like, so I'll do it.
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  OK, Step one, learn to ride a bike.
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  None of your. Business Oshi.
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  None of your business, Michael. It's the None of Your Business
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  podcast hosted by Michael Anoshi.
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  Welcome back everybody for part two of the two-part series,
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  which became We had this before, never happened, but we had to
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  this. Is really accolades to you is
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  that we we could keep this conversation going and going
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  that we have to We need more. We want more.
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  We want an encore. We want we the man.
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  I'm actually enjoying listening. You know, I've, I've practiced
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  for over five years already, the concept of listening and the
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  therapy that I started five years ago.
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  So I'm appreciating this discussion so much because a lot
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  of what you're saying resonates with me and my beginnings.
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  I've learned a lot from you, Rabbi and tools that I've
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  effectively made positive change in my life.
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  And that's why I'm so happy that you're here, guys.
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  subscribe and follow. I must say that as always, we
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  need your help to grow because together we are stronger.
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  We can't do this without everybody's help.
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  Rabbi, we're back for round two and it's a continuation of our
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  first discussion, which we were talking about your journey of
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  being a rebbe, being a therapist, learning the
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  difference between being guilty and doing something.
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  The the contrast between avoiding something versus having
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  control of something. We've learned so much.
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  We want to take it to the next level on the next journey of
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  your life when you of course, were selected as the rabbi of
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  such a beautiful shul in our community.
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  And I, I would love to learn about your experiences that go
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  on in that shul and what happens at Kiddish and how do you deal
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  with Kiddish club in general. What do you do about talking?
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  You know, you know, I, I, I have the privilege of being what my
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  community calls the beetle of my shul because I make the
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  announcements. You see, I used to be part of
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  shules that fought a lot, and I live the.
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  Gabi of your shul. No, I'm just the announcer.
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  That's all I do. I get up and I make Nope.
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  The Gabi takes care of the of the tail, and he takes care of
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  the announcing for health of people in the community takes
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  care of announcing the person that comes up to the Torah.
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  What do you announce? I just announced The Times and I
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  announced the mazel tovs you. Realize that's very strange.
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  Right. Yeah, it's a beetle.
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  It's a. It's most rules.
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  Yes, I guess. No, I do.
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  I do realize it's strange. Yeah, it's different.
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  Strange in a good way. Yes.
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  Yes, it. Makes those announcements.
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  Absolutely, absolutely public address.
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  Well, I'm telling you that in in ancient times it was called a
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  beetle. Look it up, Google it with a
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  staff and someone that you know announces the king and so on.
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  It's a specific. Skill set because a lot of times
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  the GABA is a very organized person and very personable, has
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  good relationships with everybody knows how to knows all
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  the but they don't have that loud articulate voice.
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  And when they get up to make an announcement, people like, wow,
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  what is it? So having somebody who you know,
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  can make that announcement and now and everyone be heard had
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  the loud projected voice, clearly articulated words.
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  I'm going to, I'm going to jump right into it and I'm going to
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  tell this to you because this happened in my shul and I'm not
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  afraid to share it because this is what we do here.
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  We're transparent, we're vulnerable.
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  Others definitely don't appreciate it.
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  And you know, look, when I came back after October 7th to my
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  shul, I felt that I needed to talk about October 7th.
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  I'm not the rabbi. I'm not the Gabi.
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  In fact, all I am is the announcer, like you said.
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  All I am is the guy that can project articulately, you know
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  that say mazel tov to the right families and remember the
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  father's name and the brother's name and make everyone feel
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  good. But when I came back from
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  Israel, I felt the need to mention something about October
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  7th. And what I did was, is that I
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  announced to the shul before I said the times and the mazel
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  tovs, I said with Shabbos everybody.
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  And I started like I always do. Welcome to all of our guests.
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  Thank you to our Gabayam and Tara Balitfila.
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  I always start off the same way. This week I was at a college
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  campus where there's tremendous hate going on on campus.
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  And I went with a grassroots effort of a few good men and
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  women out of the Rockland County community and Muncie community.
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  And we went to sing and we went to hold, you know, each other,
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  you know, together and, and really give that feeling of
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  actus of togetherness of that. We're here together as Jews and
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  we're here for you. And I invite anybody in the
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  congregation that would want to come with me.
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  I'll be going for the next 6 Thursdays together with people
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  in the community. I invite you to come and mazel
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  tov to this. And kid is just sponsored by
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  that. And I finished afterwards,
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  somebody came over to me and said, is it your place to invite
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  people to a, to a congreg, to a get together on a college campus
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  where men and women are together, mixed and they're
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  singing and dancing together? Is that your place to invite
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  people? Who do you think you are?
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  This is what he told me. My response to him was, listen,
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  you do your part in keeping quiet during davening and, you
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  know, not saying less and hard and I'll do my part.
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  And this is just what I feel. I feel like I have the podium.
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  I have the right to do it. OK.
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  The second week came and I made a different announcement of
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  something else that I did. Did the rabbi say anything?
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  To you? Nope.
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  Did the rabbi have? An and it's and by the way,
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  it's, it's a, it's a board shul, which means that the shul hires
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  the rabbi. So, you know, the board can come
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  to me at any time and stop me. But that's not what was.
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  Happening. I hate those people.
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  People in the shul, those people in the shul were done, not real.
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  It happens to be that. Because the rabbi has very
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  limited. Power.
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  No, no, no, no, no. Not the rabbi's part of a board.
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  Not sure and. He's controlled now, and he
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  can't be entirely himself. What's the purpose of having a?
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  Rabbit No, that's, that's very difficult though.
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  No, it's very difficult because if the rabbi's in charge
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  completely the shul, that means he's responsible for the kiddush
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  and the shala shuddhis and the malava malkas.
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  And obviously there's too many responsibilities.
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  No, it's too difficult. He's he's also the hired CEO.
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  He's a hired CEO and he could do just as good as a job.
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  That's what we're talking about. Hiring him to give him that.
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  I will tell you, as the rabbi of a board shul, I have never found
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  the board to interfere with the work that I want to do in the
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  shul. Exactly as long as you give the
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  power to the rabbi to make all holistic decisions yet.
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  OK, there are a lot of things I haven't found yet, but the but.
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  You have to admit that it's very.
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  Powerful. Listen and.
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  When something goes against the grain that they don't like, they
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  can apply the pressure and they can put their thumb on the skill
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  and they they can outweigh the rabbi.
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  But but here's the thing. I don't view my position as the
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  rabbi in the shul as being the ultimate authority in all
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  things, right? That's not my role.
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  My role is to, number one, make halachic decisions, set all
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  power. And this is clearly articulated
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  in the shul constitution that it is my authority and you know, to
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  answer or to, to deal with any religious issues that need to be
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  answered from religious perspective and to, to give the
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  education to decide who gets to speak in the shul and who
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  doesn't get to speak in the shul.
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  Like my role is clearly articulated and the board is
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  there to to assist me and to take off of my shoulders the
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  things that don't have to be in my lane.
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  If you putting it like that, that's great, but it sounds to
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  me like in most cases there is a board as a checks and balance
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  for the rabbi. I mean, we don't want the rabbi
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  to have certain decision making that might not sit well with us
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  as the people. And if we want to control how
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  much infiltration he can have into our lives and how far he
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  can take certain things. Look, I come from a background
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  where I went to see the schools my whole life from a my
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  background. Obviously when I got married, I
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  never went to see the schools again and I got to see both
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  sides of the spectrum, right? There's two types of shuls.
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  There's a shul where the rabbi is the end all be all, right.
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  He's usually called a Reba in most cases because he started
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  the Reba because he started. He says whatever he wants and
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  then he follows. He's the spiritual rabbi.
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  He guides everybody and whatever he says is what we're going to
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  do whether we like it or not. He's not going to like, too bad.
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  We made an active decision that we're going to follow.
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  Then you have the other shul where the rabbi serves a certain
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  purpose and the rabbit gets paid and it's, it's a job is really
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  what it is. And there's a board and nobody
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  gets to make any decision on its own.
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  The board has to approve it. Now the board will give the
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  space for the rabbi to be the chairman and therefore the rabbi
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  can make certain decision that they allow him to make.
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  But as soon as something goes a little bit far to the point that
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  the the shul board doesn't like anymore, they can outnumber the.
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  Round what's wrong and what's wrong with that?
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  So I, I don't know if for me it's not what's wrong with it.
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  I think just what people are used to when people want.
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  Yeah, I see pros and cons on both sides.
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  I see pros and cons I've. Experienced both sides as well.
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  I must say that I'm not a fan of a control shul by a board.
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  I'd rather have it by a rabbi. But I see how well it works when
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  you have the community that worries about everything else.
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  In other words, when you have a rabbi run shul and you have a
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  problem with the way the food is or the drink is, or the size of
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  the mojito or what time things start or end, it's all the
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  rabbi. You have zero say.
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  I'd rather it, I, I I'd rather have that in a way because it
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  comes along with the rabbi. Says everything, but I see, I
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  really, not only do I see the merit, I appreciate the fact
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  that I'm part of a show, that the community is standing behind
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  each other. They're all supporting each
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  other, and they bring in a rabbi that doesn't need more than his
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  job to do his job properly. He doesn't need that.
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  No, you bring in a. Sounds very celebrate.
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  What is the sounds like a symbol more than an actual position
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  that I think people. What is the role of a rabbi?
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  Why? Don't you tell us everybody to
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  be back, OK? We're like, good point.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, we said another expert is in the room.
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  Exactly. Exactly.
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  I I would. You want to talk about sales
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  marketing, you could come to us. I would far from consider myself
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  the expert on the rabbi's role, but I will tell you that what
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  you're describing in the two different types of shules, there
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  is the rabbi as the authority figure, right?
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  Listen, you grow up as the parents and then there's the
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  teachers and the principal. And then when you're an adult,
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  the the authority figure is the rabbi, right?
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  I, you know, I'm not, I don't love that role.
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  I don't want to be in that role personally, and I'm not looking
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  for someone to have that authority over me in my life.
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  In that way, I subscribe to the model of the rabbi as a resource
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  in the lives of the people for the purpose of education,
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  inspiration, halachic guidance when it's sought, right?
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  Not a person who is going to usurp the autonomy of the
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  individual right? My shul, I'll give Shi Urim.
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  People come, they learn, they enjoy, they walk away right you,
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  you come, you have it. Start your day with with 1/2
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  hour demarish here and you walk out of your day.
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  Your day is different. You're coming.
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  There's a certain spirituality, a certain positive energy that
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  you're walking away with. You sat with 12 other people in
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  your shul, right? And the rabbi gave a gomarish
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  here. That was interesting, hopefully,
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  right? And you connected.
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  You learn something, right? When you have a question, big or
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  small, you have somebody who's available that you can ask you
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  come to shul and hopefully adrasa inspires you, right?
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  That's not celebratory. That's a very valuable role in
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  the lives of the people. It does not have to be.
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  I need my rabbi's permission to XY and Z, right?
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  A rabbi does not need to be that.
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  Now, are there times and are there communities where that was
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  called for and maybe, right? But that's not what the role of
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  a rabbi has to be, right? I am not looking to be the
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  authority figure in anyone's life, right?
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  My kids, as long as they need that, right?
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  And then, you know, and only for the sake of their development,
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  right? And then for my kids, as early
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  as possible, I turn over autonomy of their lives to them
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  as much as is functional for them, right?
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  So certainly the Congress in my community, many of whom are
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  older than me, right? I'm not looking to be the
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  authority in their life, right? It's not a role I want.
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  And you know, we can talk about what's more ideal, what's less
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  ideal. But you can be in a board run
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  shul where the rabbi is a very vital part of the shul, a very
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  instrumental role in the lives of the community, but not hold
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  the reins of power. And I think that's the
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  distinction that we can make. So I I hear, OK, that's very
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  well explained. And I agree there is a certain
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  Rabbi model that way that's built.
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  But I want to give you another side of the coin.
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  And you said something that I immediately in my mind triggered
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  as I want a rabbi as a resource. What you said, I don't look as
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  my rabbi as a resource. And I'm actually in the opposite
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  side of the coin where I would fail in a system like this.
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  I would fail. I think I'd become worse than a
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  worse due to the point that probably stopped going to school
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  at some point. I actually need that kick in the
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  butt. I actually need to have somebody
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  who tells me which I don't like sometimes and it's not, you
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  know, at that moment I feel annoyed and I feel frustrated.
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  But when I have more clarity on my later on, I actually
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  appreciate it. I need to have that fire of I
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  have somebody out there who's watching me, who's managing me,
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  and if I get a little bit out of line, I got a little smack.
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  I need to have that control because I know, because I know
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  ultimately it's good for me. But if you tell children in a
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  classroom, there's going to be no teacher anymore.
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  You guys can do whatever you want from now on.
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  They're going to go, yeah, they're going to chair.
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  It's amazing. But then a couple of weeks
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  later, the kids, oh, my God, this is terrible.
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  It's anarchy. Nobody likes that.
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  It's chaos. Even kids will realize I need
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  some structure. This is not fun anymore.
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  They're going to start beating each other up.
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  It's going to be terrible. I believe that today's
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  generation, everybody has to be back.
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  Tell me if you can resonate with this a little bit.
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  And today's generation, I'm talking with the guys that are,
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  you know, 40 and younger, 40 and younger from age 25, when you
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  start going to your own school up to the point you go to like,
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  you know, your father's school, then you go to when you get
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  married, you go to a local school wherever you live in your
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  apartment. You don't have a real connection
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  to that school yet. When you get married and you
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  have kids and you move to a neighbor, the first time you go
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  to a school, those schools today for a majority, I'm being very
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  bold here. I'm not saying just for myself.
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  I'm saying the majority of people that are in the
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  mainstream like me need to have that rabbi.
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  It's good for us and I'll challenge anybody who thinks
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  it's not needs to have that rabbi that is that power that
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  has that authority because of all the things that are going on
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  in the world today and the exposures that we have and the
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  options that we have. We have freedom.
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  We have real freedom today. Let's not kid ourselves.
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  And we could easily stir up the right and the left.
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  I think we the the rabbi that is there where you're our resource.
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  And yes, you give this to your M you inspire us.
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  You make a beautiful speech. Shabbos mourn like if that's
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  what they become, I fear that that is not going to be going to
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  work in the long run for today's generation because we're not as
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  good as the older generation. There's one big difference.
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  We're much different. We need to have that power.
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  I'm sorry. Oh, shit.
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  There's one big difference. We're adults.
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  There's a big difference. Doesn't matter with adults.
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  You know what happens that I've learned over the years of of
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  dealing with kids, teenagers that become adults and adults
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  that have addiction problems. I keep hearing this over and
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  over again. Rabbi, please confirm this, You
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  know, to our listeners at a certain age, a very young age I
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  might add, it's up to the person himself to actually seek out the
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  tools and the resources that we put in front of them.
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  So that's why I'm the bored rabbi Spivak system fan more
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  than the rabbi telling you. Where were you yesterday for
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  shockers? I didn't see you come at 9:00.
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  You coming late? What's happening with you?
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  Everything OK? No thanks.
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  OK, I, I, I, by the way, I'm so passionate by the way, about
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  this, like I, I not, not only do I disagree, I, I, I thank God, I
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  thank God, I thank God that, that, that, you know, we, we
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  have both options available. Because I, I really think that
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  it would be a downhill battle if we wouldn't have this.
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  And if it was their policy and halacha that there and it comes
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  to a show, there has to be a board and they have to have
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  decision making power. By the way, you don't think the
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  board gets in the way of spiritual decisions?
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  There are what? Happens we don't think the
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  board, I cannot. One spiritual decision and I'm
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  in my shul now. It'll be four years in
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  September. I cannot think of one spiritual
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  decision where the board got in my way.
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  Not one. Or they not got in the way, but
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  they had a little influence. Of course they influence
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  influence. OK, influence, it's.
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  My job to give what the people need.
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  So I, I I need to look to the the elected representatives of
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  the congregation to find out what the people need.
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  But what if you felt one way very strongly and the board, all
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  of them, all seven other people on the board didn't feel that
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  way and. A spiritual religion.
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  We really want to do it this way.
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  You don't conform. A little bit and a spiritual.
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  He wouldn't end up being the rapper.
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  I would. Make my decision based on the
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  needs of the people because that's most critical thing a
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  rabbit, right? If if you're just making it, if
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  you're just leading a generic congregation and hope the people
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  sitting in front of you fall into the way the congregation is
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  supposed to be. So you're not going to be
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  effective. So obviously, obviously I'm
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  going to, I'm going to, I'm going to look to what the but
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  I'm, I'm, I'm going to back up for a second here.
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  You are adamant that you need that type of rabbit, not just me
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  most who's going to hold you accountable.
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  I I'm going to tell you one thing, and this goes back to our
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  conversation from last time. I want to psychoanalyze you in
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  front of the world. This connects to the fact that
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  you are not yet at a place where you trust your own will.
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  My will is not trustworthy. What I want and what I'm
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  supposed to be is the paradigm that I want to live by, right?
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  I'm not a good enough Jew because I'm and because I'm
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  trying, I'm pushing myself to be something that's different than
• 18:37
  my own will. I'm not going to get there by my
• 18:40
  will. My will is not going to push me
• 18:41
  there. So I need the outside influence
• 18:43
  to push me there. The day that you turn, take the
• 18:47
  reins of your Judaism in your hands and say, what is my will?
• 18:53
  Tell me of the type of Judaism I want and how I'm what is my
• 18:57
  will? What is my neshama?
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  What is what am I connecting to? What does it mean to me in my
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  life? You're not going to need the
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  rabbi to tell you where were you today, because it's going to be
• 19:08
  about your will. Your will doesn't make excuses.
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  I think you're giving all of us a little too much credit.
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  I think that a lot of people are in that place where they're not
• 19:18
  totally trusting themselves. Yes, By the way, you know what?
• 19:21
  I go back to this, you know what?
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  The real barometer of a rabbi board versus a, you know, all
• 19:30
  empowered supreme leader rabbi. You know what the real problem
• 19:33
  of the difference is? Can you, can the people fire the
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  rabbi? I think that that question needs
• 19:39
  to be answered if their people can fire the rabbi.
• 19:43
  I don't think that rabbi truly has the tools he needs to do his
• 19:47
  job and to be motivating and inspiring his congregation.
• 19:51
  If he feels at any point that he's in jeopardy, then he's
• 19:55
  automatically as a human being is going to make certain
• 19:58
  decisions that are not in the best interest of what he thinks
• 20:00
  the community needs because he's always having to look over his
• 20:03
  shoulders. He's got to look over his back
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  and suddenly he can't make those decisions.
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  What's good for God or what God was he's got, which is what I
• 20:08
  want my rabbit to be. If I can't be the guy, let him
• 20:10
  be the guy and let him be the one that's inspiring me to get
• 20:13
  me there. And by the way, I want a rabbit
• 20:14
  does it with a finesse. He doesn't with tacked
• 20:17
  skillfully. Not a rapper.
• 20:18
  You just like like, you know, we're talking about a qualified
• 20:20
  rabbi, obviously, right? Someone who the people want.
• 20:22
  We bought you in. We voted for you, we brought you
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  in, but once you bring him in, give him the power.
• 20:27
  If let him do his job, why you restricted?
• 20:30
  Him just to just to clarify if the whole congregation would
• 20:32
  decide we want to talk during prayer the entire time, correct.
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  And this is the kind of synagogue that we want to have.
• 20:38
  I'm assuming this wouldn't be a good fit then if that's what
• 20:41
  everyone decides, right? I'm saying I'm asking you.
• 20:44
  So interesting the the I guess I'll give away like behind the
• 20:50
  door secrets. My first interview with the
• 20:52
  Rabbinical search committee, they said.
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  What is that? What is what?
• 20:56
  Can you explain what that is? Yeah, like.
• 20:57
  America's Got Talent for rabbis. No, no, no.
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  This was, you know, when Arshul was looking for a new rabbi.
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  And it's part of the big story, a great story, OK.
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  And so they formed a committee to find the right candidates to
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  interview. So when I met that before I met
• 21:16
  with the board, I met with that with that committee.
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  And the first thing they asked me was, did you know how, how
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  are you going to handle talking in shul, right?
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  And my answer was I first need to have relationships with
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  people, right? So if the whole shul came and
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  said, Rabbi, we don't care about talking during shul anymore,
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  right? And we want, and we representing
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  the whole congregation want to once you stop saying that Misha
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  Bay are for those who don't talk during, you know, during
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  davening. You do that, yes.
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  You say a Misha barrack for the people that don't talk.
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  Yeah. So in essence, you're singling
• 21:53
  out the people that do talk. You're only giving a Misha
• 21:56
  barrack to the people that didn't talk.
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  That is the the the the, the, the Tosos Young have wrote a
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  special Misha barrack, right? Hashem should give special
• 22:03
  brothels to those who don't talk during davening.
• 22:06
  That's like saying if you give a Misha barrack for the soldiers
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  that you're singling out the ones that are not going, no, no,
• 22:09
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's a January.
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  You're not saying people's names.
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  No, I'm sorry, I remember. It's OK, we do this by me also,
• 22:20
  by the way, because I'm not a fan of including, including.
• 22:22
  I don't think anyone's a fan of that using.
• 22:25
  Shame as a vehicle for change. She I'm sorry you spoke this
• 22:29
  week. You're out, you're out.
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  That's a kumbaya moment, by the way, at least that we have here,
• 22:34
  so. Listen, if that's where the
• 22:36
  people were, right? We, we don't care about not
• 22:38
  talking during the topony. So I have 3 choices, right?
• 22:42
  I can fight them. I can walk away and talk about
• 22:48
  what horrible people they are. And, and, and Oh my God, what a
• 22:50
  disastrous kahila that was. And I'm so glad to be away from
• 22:54
  it. Or I can say, this is where the
• 22:58
  people are. How am I being a resource so
• 23:01
  they can connect closer to Hashem, right?
• 23:03
  You don't have to be at any particular place to have a
• 23:08
  person in your life who is a resource to help you use the
• 23:10
  tower to live your best life, to connect to Hashem.
• 23:13
  So I don't, I don't need to Lord myself and my authority over
• 23:18
  people, right? Like client said, they're
• 23:20
  adults, right? They're adults.
• 23:23
  And so much of what I try to motivate people is to feel
• 23:27
  autonomy over their lives, right?
• 23:30
  So much whether it's my therapy clients, whether whoever it is,
• 23:33
  you know, take ownership of your life, find your values, live
• 23:37
  your values, unless they conflict with what I think you
• 23:40
  should do, right? That, that, that, that'd be
• 23:42
  contradictory to my whole message, right.
• 23:44
  So I, I'm very content in a board shul and as long as the
• 23:50
  board decides that and board representing the people, right,
• 23:54
  the board has this like evil feel to it.
• 23:57
  The board is are the people that the that the that the khila.
• 24:00
  As long as the khila represented by the board feels that I am an
• 24:05
  effective resource in helping them live their best lives
• 24:10
  through the Torah and connecting to Hashem, I'm happy to come do
• 24:14
  that and give up myself what I can.
• 24:16
  And the day, and the day that they decide that I'm not that
• 24:19
  person anymore, then I'll walk. Away.
• 24:22
  So be it. Now, I don't like that, but I'll
• 24:25
  throw in a caveat. Not so.
• 24:26
  Not so be it. Not so be it.
• 24:28
  So be it means like, OK, what it means.
• 24:30
  It's time for me to move on. I not just so be it.
• 24:32
  I will respect it. I will respect the autonomy of
• 24:37
  people who have, who I've developed connections with and
• 24:40
  when they tell me it's time for this relationship in its current
• 24:44
  form to, to end because what we need, the resource we need is
• 24:49
  somebody different, something different.
• 24:51
  I'll respect it and I'll shake hands and I'll say thank you.
• 24:54
  And it was a wonderful however many years, right?
• 24:57
  Or maybe the time will come or I'll say it's time for me to
• 24:59
  move on in the same way I moved, but I don't need to have this
• 25:05
  now. I'll throw in it's really
• 25:06
  important right where you get into a messy situation where you
• 25:10
  said that, how can the rabbi really say what he honestly
• 25:13
  thinks if the board can fire them, right?
• 25:16
  In the same way that I had an exit strategy for the for
• 25:22
  leaving education because I didn't want the paying of the
• 25:25
  bills to be the necessary means that keep me captive in the
• 25:29
  classroom, right? I try.
• 25:31
  Maybe I shouldn't say this publicly because it'll be held
• 25:33
  against me in, in contract negotiations, but I try that in
• 25:38
  my financial life, my full salary not make the difference
• 25:42
  of whether or not I'm, I'm going to lose my house, right?
• 25:46
  I had my therapy practice, you know, my wife and I together
• 25:49
  have our have our therapy business together.
• 25:52
  So, so you know, again, I'm not going to say too much because I
• 25:55
  don't want to held against me when I'm negotiating a contract.
• 25:57
  I do want to hear about what you and your wife have though.
• 25:59
  That's interesting. What is that?
• 26:00
  Talk about that. Yeah, but but.
• 26:02
  Before we do, I want to just make one more point on this, not
• 26:05
  to belabor the point so. So a rabbi who, who, who as soon
• 26:07
  as the shul tells him you know, you're, you're dismissed from
• 26:10
  your position. Now he's the bank is going to
• 26:12
  foreclose on his house. That's a.
• 26:14
  That's a problematic dynamic that that I get, but.
• 26:17
  I hear I, I just have a very negative association when I hear
• 26:21
  that there was a rabbi of a shul.
• 26:23
  He was there for an extended period of time.
• 26:24
  And then one day he was fired. And I'm like, what?
• 26:26
  What does that mean? He was fired.
• 26:28
  Was the whole thing wasn't real to begin with?
• 26:30
  Then this whole thing was a fake from the start.
• 26:32
  And I'll and I'll explain why. Gregg Popovich, right?
• 26:35
  He's a very famous Larry Brown, right?
• 26:38
  Very famous basketball coaches that have had years and years,
• 26:42
  decades of success, like nobody knows how to coach a basketball
• 26:47
  team better than those two. And there are others as well on
• 26:50
  that list. But right, you take those
• 26:51
  people, they're amazing at coaching.
• 26:53
  You don't fire Greg Popovich. Greg Popovich retires, Larry
• 26:57
  Brown retires. That's what happens, right?
• 26:59
  You see him through until the very end, OK, Now at a certain
• 27:03
  point, maybe they get very old or maybe they're not escapable.
• 27:05
  They're not the same energy anymore.
• 27:07
  OK, So you put them somewhere on the side to become more
• 27:09
  celebratory at that moment. Like Tiger Woods today, playing
• 27:12
  golf is very celebratory. Everybody knows, right?
• 27:15
  He's just a staple of the game. So you're so you don't you don't
• 27:19
  suddenly get rid of Tiger Woods because he's not doing the job
• 27:22
  anymore. You keep them around and you
• 27:23
  bring them the next batch of people, right?
• 27:25
  That's fine. That's OK to me when I think of
• 27:28
  a rabbi, if they respect the rabbi enough because I want to
• 27:33
  like this is the person I trust, then you didn't pick the right
• 27:36
  rabbi if you don't to begin with the job of that community when
• 27:41
  they form together and say let's go to this area, let's build few
• 27:43
  houses, let's buy houses and let's all start a community.
• 27:46
  What we did in our community. So what we did, you have to
• 27:49
  bring and that pretty real decision to make collectively,
• 27:52
  who do we trust and go through the process and, you know, one
• 27:55
  at a time, bring in rabbis for a couple of months at a time and
• 27:59
  test them out. No problem.
• 28:00
  But it's got to be at a certain point where you make a decision
• 28:03
  that this is the person I want to follow, not because, you
• 28:06
  know, I might not like everything they say.
• 28:07
  And that's OK because for the greater good, there has to be
• 28:10
  this commitment. It's a marriage.
• 28:12
  It's a marriage. There has to be a commitment.
• 28:15
  And in a certain it's good for you, it's good for your soul,
• 28:17
  it's good for your family. I'd not that I don't trust
• 28:20
  myself. You're right.
• 28:21
  I have kids. I don't think I make every right
• 28:23
  decision that's best for my kids.
• 28:25
  But you know, from a spiritual standpoint, there is the rabbi
• 28:28
  who I trust vehemently, almost blindly, almost blindly, that
• 28:32
  sometimes I'm imagined that I don't even know why he's saying
• 28:33
  this and I don't agree with him. But you know what, I chose to
• 28:37
  trust him because over he'll make more better decisions than
• 28:40
  I will. And I don't think this is a lack
• 28:42
  of me not trusting myself. Hey, you should have more trust
• 28:44
  yourself. Yeah, maybe I should maybe I
• 28:45
  should bring it up a little bit. Maybe I should, but never to the
• 28:47
  point where I want my rabbi to just be a figurehead.
• 28:50
  I want my rabbi to be, you know, a job where, you know, you can
• 28:54
  quit, you can you can move on. It is that's like that's not
• 28:56
  real. That's not a that's not a real
• 28:57
  tangible relationship that I think a person.
• 29:00
  Why does in the Machinias they say the first thing they say is
• 29:02
  I think one of the and and make a rabbi for yourself, right?
• 29:06
  Obviously if it translates that, definitely it's up for
• 29:08
  interpretation. The way I interpret is get a
• 29:11
  rabbi who you trust, who you going to follow and who's going
• 29:15
  to shape the decisions that you make and it's going to guide
• 29:19
  you. That's how strong I feel about.
• 29:20
  It I must, I must interject, I'm sorry, because it says make
• 29:24
  yourself a rabbi, give yourself a rabbi.
• 29:26
  It doesn't, and nor would it ever say, gather 100 people,
• 29:30
  make all of them your rabbi. The game changes in the
• 29:33
  community. My point is, the game in the
• 29:35
  community changes. The game in the NBA never
• 29:37
  changes. The community changes.
• 29:39
  You're going to get older, your kids are going to get older.
• 29:40
  The demographic might change and the needs of the rabbi might
• 29:42
  change. That's why it's different.
• 29:43
  In my I think I see them. Got it right in this one.
• 29:46
  Got it right in this. One I see them actually in the
• 29:48
  fact. The ones that change the game,
• 29:49
  they're. No, they're the ones that come
• 29:51
  into communities and change the game.
• 29:52
  Suddenly the rabbi doesn't fit the mold for the community
• 29:54
  anymore because the community has been taking over.
• 29:56
  But I can see them. It happens.
• 29:58
  You can't have a forever marriage.
• 30:00
  We can go a lot of. Places.
• 30:01
  Yeah, yeah. I'll, I'll, I'll finish my piece
• 30:03
  of this conversation by saying this.
• 30:05
  You said it wasn't real. A relationship does not have to
• 30:09
  be lifelong in order for it to be real.
• 30:12
  OK, fair. You can have a friendship.
• 30:15
  You can have any kind of relationship that is meaningful,
• 30:20
  connected, powerful, and then it's time.
• 30:26
  It's that's a powerful message. By the way, Rabbi, that's a
• 30:28
  powerful message is right in everything in life, in
• 30:31
  everything you do in life, just like you said last time, which
• 30:34
  is, you know, you wake up in the morning, you take what you have
• 30:37
  and you go from there. You don't start your balance
• 30:39
  sheet at perfect, right? It just doesn't work that way,
• 30:41
  right? So when?
• 30:42
  I, when I left the classroom, right, it was painful.
• 30:47
  I, I made the choice, right? And it was my choice and it was
• 30:52
  painful because, but here was a part of my life that was so
• 30:57
  wrapped. My identity was so wrapped up in
• 30:59
  it. And I was, I really had a lot of
• 31:02
  confidence. I knew that I was really
• 31:03
  effective. I was really good at what I did.
• 31:06
  And I'm letting that go. And to develop the, the, the
• 31:12
  internal strength to say, I am not giving it up.
• 31:17
  I'm ending it right. This chapter of my that chapter
• 31:20
  of my life, my years in the classroom will always be part of
• 31:23
  my life, part of my story. It's meaningful.
• 31:26
  It didn't get cheapened because it didn't last the rest of my
• 31:29
  life. And and yeah, so relationships
• 31:32
  can be real and then still have an expiration date.
• 31:36
  Makes sense, I totally. I like what you're saying.
• 31:37
  It's not a so be it or it is what it is.
• 31:39
  It's a meaningful till it was by the Before we move on from the
• 31:42
  Rabbi discussion, you got to tell us your best rabbi joke.
• 31:45
  Oh my best rabbi joke, you know. I also want to hear after you
• 31:50
  joke you're 1 pet peeve about being a rabbi.
• 31:53
  Oh boy, we don't want to leave this topic.
• 31:54
  We like it too much. Do you have a good rabbi joke?
• 31:57
  So rabbis don't tell rabbi jokes, Rabbis tell rabbis.
• 32:00
  Always tell OK, OK, OK, go for it.
• 32:04
  So there's so many of them. I'll tell you, I'll tell you.
• 32:07
  I'll tell you a rabbi joke, right?
• 32:09
  It's more like a Talmudic type rabbi joke.
• 32:12
  Guy comes to the rabbi and says, Rabbi, I want to build a house,
• 32:18
  but I don't know how. So he says, well, you're in
• 32:22
  luck. The Gemara, the Talmud gives
• 32:24
  very clear instructions on how to build a house.
• 32:26
  So he says, really, show me. And the rabbi takes the guy over
• 32:31
  to the bookcase, pulls out the Gemara opens, says if you read
• 32:35
  this doc from top to bottom right tells you exactly how to
• 32:38
  build a house. The guy is thrilled, takes the
• 32:41
  Gemara. He goes to Home Depot.
• 32:42
  He buys everything the Gemara says he needs to get, and he
• 32:46
  follows the instructions. It's come beautifully.
• 32:49
  He is building this gorgeous colonial.
• 32:51
  And he puts in the last nail and he says it's time to go invite
• 32:55
  everyone for the kanuka Sabayas celebrate the new house.
• 32:58
  And as he's walking out, he closes the door behind him and
• 33:02
  the whole house collapses into a heap.
• 33:06
  It's like what happened? And he comes to the rabbi and
• 33:10
  says, rabbi, I followed everything that Gamora said.
• 33:14
  I was so careful to the team. I got all the right materials
• 33:18
  and the tools and I followed the instructions so well.
• 33:21
  And then my house collapsed when I closed the door and the rabbit
• 33:25
  says, yeah, that's Tosa's question.
• 33:31
  That's great. Oh, that's great.
• 33:33
  That's a good rabbi joke. You see, I like that.
• 33:35
  That's actually very funny. Now that's good.
• 33:38
  That's great. All right, So what?
• 33:40
  About the pet peeve, I like that question.
• 33:41
  To you go back to the pet peeve, what was.
• 33:43
  As a rabbit, he was a pet peeve. Probably other rabbits as well
• 33:45
  as probably experience. But for you personally, what's
• 33:47
  your pet peeve As for being a rabbit that you have to deal
• 33:49
  with and it's super annoying so. I'm not going to call it a pet
• 33:53
  peeve. I'll say what is something that
• 33:56
  I have recognize to be a part of the job that I didn't realize
• 34:01
  was beforehand. Good way to say it.
• 34:03
  Excellent. There's a better way of
• 34:05
  diplomatically rephrasing your question.
• 34:07
  Excellent. And it's, you know, when people
• 34:11
  ask a question and they want black and white answers where a
• 34:19
  black and white answer is not appropriate, right?
• 34:22
  People ask me, do I have to sit in the sukkah under these
• 34:27
  conditions? I'll say, well, it's going to
• 34:30
  depend. You have to decide if this is
• 34:32
  distressing enough to you, like so do I or don't die, right?
• 34:37
  And like when I very often, if I tell people here are the
• 34:41
  parameters under which you need to make that decision, it's your
• 34:45
  call. I will tell you the parameters
• 34:47
  under which you should make the decision.
• 34:49
  And people don't like that. Just tell me what to do, right?
• 34:53
  And so that is something that. You have a bunch of oishies
• 34:56
  running around. Asking you what to do exactly.
• 34:59
  Yeah. It's great, Michael.
• 35:01
  Don't exaggerate. No, no, no, no, no, I don't
• 35:03
  appreciate that. Don't like, make this now into
• 35:05
  like, you know, almost in a moderate.
• 35:06
  No, no, no, not at all. I don't ask the rabbi permission
• 35:08
  to go to the bathroom. Obviously not what the intention
• 35:11
  was, obviously, but you do. You may ask you if you said.
• 35:14
  People who want to try to make their point, they start putting
• 35:16
  down your point. You see what he just did here?
• 35:19
  You see what I said? You make a caricature of the
• 35:21
  other person's point. Exactly.
• 35:22
  Yes, yes, it was done well. It was done well, by the way.
• 35:25
  If yes, thank you. If you would have a rabbi that
• 35:29
  wasn't. Part of a you wouldn't have to
• 35:31
  your point, my rabbi was asked should Michael get up and talk
• 35:35
  about Israel? That's exactly what the question
• 35:37
  was. That was that was just a fair
• 35:38
  question. Yeah.
• 35:39
  And it wasn't a yes or no question.
• 35:41
  It was a discussion. Well.
• 35:42
  Your rabbi's part of a board, so he doesn't have all that much
• 35:45
  say, so Michael Greenfield's standing.
• 35:47
  Up. But is it a spiritual question
• 35:49
  or is it not that that's what the question was?
• 35:51
  I think it intertwines. Right.
• 35:52
  That's why it's not black and white.
• 35:53
  That's what the rabbi saying. I'm resonating with what you're
• 35:55
  saying with exactly what I I gave as a sample.
• 35:58
  Yeah. Do you think?
• 36:00
  That the rabbis, you have to apologize for you.
• 36:02
  I was waiting this entire time to bring out this gift.
• 36:05
  And I think now's the perfect time to bring out this gift.
• 36:08
  Always a perfect time. I'm not sure what you mean.
• 36:10
  You were waiting for the No, no, no.
• 36:12
  I was. I figured I is.
• 36:13
  It not a. Perfect time.
• 36:14
  I might be a little bit too much, you know, and you might
• 36:16
  get like, whoa. And that's what happened.
• 36:17
  So I, I, it happens from time to time.
• 36:19
  So I have always with me gifts waiting for me to give to you.
• 36:23
  I always accept gifts. Yeah, it's always a good.
• 36:25
  Time. I will only give them at
• 36:26
  appropriate times though, Sorry. And it was last time we sat with
• 36:29
  you, Rabbi. We asked you what your favorite
• 36:30
  book was. Do you remember what you said?
• 36:33
  Oh. Yes, I remember.
• 36:35
  And I said, what did I say? I said I'd get it.
• 36:38
  I said I'm ordering it right now.
• 36:39
  It came in. And Ushi, I bestow upon you the
• 36:42
  seven habits of highly effective people.
• 36:44
  Beautiful. You might you know I'd love to
• 36:45
  read yes. So you know, like I'm going to
• 36:47
  read this cover to cover. Wow 15,000,000 copies sold.
• 36:50
  Rabbi, why did you suggest this book?
• 36:52
  So why did I suggest this book? So it is up there on the books
• 36:56
  that I appreciate. I, I, I don't know if I have it
• 36:59
  ranked as #1 I just, I suggested it because when our discussion
• 37:05
  last time, right, we were talking about how to most
• 37:11
  effectively manage situations and manage the time and and and
• 37:16
  approach a project. Well, I just want to say in full
• 37:19
  transparency, we came to you for advice and we asked you point
• 37:24
  blank. We're starting a podcast and we
• 37:27
  know that we're going to be speaking to people and this is
• 37:29
  our demographic and we want to really make the best impact in
• 37:32
  the shortest amount of period of time.
• 37:33
  And that's what the discussion was.
• 37:34
  So kudos to you, Rabbi, for really taking your time and
• 37:37
  speaking to us about that topic. And I'm a strong believer and.
• 37:40
  For the record, my advice was not well.
• 37:42
  If you wanted to be successful, you have to bring me on.
• 37:46
  That was our. It took us months.
• 37:47
  It took us months. We have to really, I think.
• 37:49
  We only said one rabbi. Joke.
• 37:52
  Thank you, Stephen. Exactly carried away.
• 37:55
  We had to really prodigy. Yeah, no.
• 37:57
  So continue. What was that?
• 37:58
  What was that point that you were making with this book?
• 38:00
  So I don't remember exactly what the point was.
• 38:04
  The reason why you recommended this book at the time, So I'm
• 38:07
  trying to the habits, the seven habits of highly effective
• 38:10
  people. Right, so this book.
• 38:13
  The. Idea of approaching things
• 38:17
  systematically oh because of the win win.
• 38:20
  I believe that one of his habits of highly effective people is
• 38:23
  you think win, win that when you approach a situation looking to,
• 38:28
  you know, squeeze the other party as much as possible to get
• 38:33
  as much with the giving a little right.
• 38:35
  That never works out well in the long run doesn't right.
• 38:39
  And that's that's the way you know, a lot of our discussions
• 38:42
  have included those elements, but that was one idea.
• 38:46
  Did we touch on sharpening the saw as well?
• 38:48
  I. Don't remember?
• 38:49
  No. Let's do that now.
• 38:50
  No. What is that?
• 38:51
  Sharpening the saw is fantastic. It it's an old, it's an old
• 38:55
  parable. I don't think he, he didn't make
• 38:58
  this up, but there is a woodsman in the woods and he's got a saw
• 39:04
  and he's sawing away at a tree trying to cut it down and he's
• 39:08
  like 3 hours sawing away at the same tree.
• 39:12
  The kid comes by and says Mr. why is it taking you 3 hours to
• 39:17
  cut down that tree? He says, well my saw is.
• 39:20
  Really, really dull. So doesn't cut very fast.
• 39:24
  He says, why don't you sharpen the saw, right?
• 39:29
  He says, well, I'm so behind schedule that if I take the 20
• 39:32
  minutes needed to sharpen the saw right, I'll fall 20 minutes
• 39:36
  further behind. I don't have that time, you see.
• 39:38
  It's already taken me 3 hours to cut down the tree, right?
• 39:42
  Highly effective people, says Stephen Covey.
• 39:45
  Take make and take the time to keep the saw sharp, right?
• 39:52
  You take the time, no matter how hectic your life may be, whether
• 39:56
  it's leisure, whether it's therapy, whether it's whether
• 40:01
  it's, you know, personal professional development,
• 40:04
  whatever is needed to keep you on the cutting edge, to keep you
• 40:08
  a most effective. So if it takes you a couple of
• 40:11
  hours a week or more, right? But now everything else you do
• 40:18
  is more efficient and more productive.
• 40:20
  So it's time well spent. Sure.
• 40:23
  I love that. Yeah.
• 40:23
  That's that's like, I can't wait for you to read the book.
• 40:25
  I'm going. To get very smart now, Yeah, I'm
• 40:28
  going to become a rabbi. I think I'm going.
• 40:30
  To I guess we could. Why don't you guys now I'm I'll
• 40:34
  turn to you and ask the questions.
• 40:35
  That's it, I'm taking over. Go ahead.
• 40:37
  No, I like that idea. You want the rabbi is the
• 40:39
  authority. How do you guys keep the saw
• 40:44
  sharp? How do we keep the saw sharp of
• 40:47
  what though, of life, our emotional self?
• 40:51
  Which part? Our personal side, our family
• 40:53
  side. Let's say.
• 40:56
  Why don't you point to one of us and ask a specific question?
• 40:59
  We're happy to answer it more granular.
• 41:00
  What do you do that is not directly connected to your
• 41:04
  business? Well, you know what?
• 41:05
  We've spoken a lot, so I'm going to turn.
• 41:07
  I'm going to turn in your direction.
• 41:08
  Now, what do you do in your life that's not directly related to
• 41:15
  the goals you're trying to accomplish, but makes you more
• 41:18
  efficient at accomplishing them? Easy question to answer.
• 41:21
  I meditate every day. I Zen that's what it is.
• 41:24
  I don't I have a hard time praying from a sitter it I I
• 41:28
  find it, you know, difficult to repeat the same words and find
• 41:32
  meaning over and over again. I do see the value of saying it
• 41:36
  in certain words that are meaningful for me.
• 41:38
  For example, when I leave the bathroom, I always say the
• 41:40
  certain prayer that, you know, brings meaning new to me every
• 41:44
  time. And that was taught to me by me
• 41:46
  too, Mr. Rosenwasser. It's.
• 41:47
  So funny, we shared that in a comment.
• 41:48
  When I I'm at the bathrooms, like one of the things that I
• 41:51
  actually do, yeah, consistently is I say I'm sure, yes, Sir,
• 41:53
  every time. I just appreciate it.
• 41:55
  That, you know, yeah, it's so funny.
• 41:56
  I love it. So in general, I but but the
• 41:58
  concept of praying in the morning is so important in
• 42:03
  general, if you look at it from a perspective of Zen or
• 42:06
  meditation or just connection to your own self, you'll have a
• 42:10
  better time in throughout your day.
• 42:12
  And that's what I find helps me. So that's what I do.
• 42:14
  I scale back my time. How much time does that take
• 42:16
  you? The meditation.
• 42:17
  Honestly, I'm I'm not, I'm not going to exaggerate. 5 minutes.
• 42:20
  5 minutes, yeah. What does those, what do those 5
• 42:23
  minutes give you in terms of productivity, in terms of?
• 42:29
  It gives me collection of my thoughts and prioritizing my
• 42:32
  day. That's really what it does.
• 42:33
  Every single day I think about what I have in front of me.
• 42:36
  Like you said earlier, I've learned that from you already
• 42:38
  that today starts off at A at. It's already great.
• 42:41
  I have so much to be thankful for.
• 42:43
  What do I want to accomplish? So that's that's what helps me.
• 42:45
  How much time do you save in your day from a productivity
• 42:48
  standpoint because you spend those 5 minutes?
• 42:53
  Probably a few hours. Yeah, Yeah, it's a great point.
• 42:56
  So that's the concept of sharpening.
• 42:58
  This. I love that.
• 42:59
  Rabbi, I have to ask you, you're you're an avid cyclist.
• 43:01
  I know. Didn't you come here with your
• 43:02
  bicycle today? Absolutely.
• 43:04
  How long did that take you here? With one of my bicycles.
• 43:07
  How many bicycles do you own? At the moment 4.
• 43:10
  What's the most expensive bike you own?
• 43:12
  Is my Trek Domani. OK, board, please close your
• 43:16
  ears. I'm joking, but how much does
• 43:18
  that cost? So.
• 43:20
  Retail price, I'm saying forget about what you got if I I.
• 43:22
  Didn't I didn't buy the. Whole retail price, what does it
• 43:24
  go for? I I didn't buy it in one piece,
• 43:26
  I bought. Different.
• 43:28
  So what's the value of that bike brand new?
• 43:31
  That is an $8000 bike. Wow.
• 43:33
  Amazing. That's a lot.
• 43:35
  It's amazing. It's a great investment.
• 43:37
  In the circles in which I run it is.
• 43:40
  That's not high end. People spend more than.
• 43:42
  That yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is amazing.
• 43:44
  So do. You compete in competitions.
• 43:47
  I the only competitive cycling I do is virtually.
• 43:51
  Is it like on the peloton? Well, it's not Peloton.
• 43:53
  It's a different platform called Swift.
• 43:56
  I don't know if we're, you know, advertising for Swift.
• 43:58
  Sure. Advertise for anything that
• 43:59
  works. But something virtual?
• 44:01
  Yeah, but it's where we are. One of my four bikes is on a on
• 44:05
  a smart trainer that reads my power and the platform knows
• 44:10
  knows my body metrics. And there are race.
• 44:13
  There are races where I'm racing with people in lot in real time.
• 44:17
  Wow. And.
• 44:18
  Where are you ranking? Like how?
• 44:19
  How do you do in terms of per hour or minute?
• 44:22
  How does it work? So.
• 44:24
  And and in cycling. And I'm not sure we were.
• 44:26
  Asking. Yeah, I wasn't even.
• 44:27
  Sure. I'm asking in general, how fast
• 44:28
  do you cycle in a certain mind? What position are we trying?
• 44:32
  To say like where he's, you know, up to in the competition.
• 44:34
  So in, in, in Swift, in this platform, the race rankings are
• 44:39
  ABC and D. Oh, OK, I didn't realize that.
• 44:41
  So I'm in C rank and I'm basically at the top of C rank.
• 44:45
  Wow. In most of my races a couple of
• 44:47
  years back, I was actually where they had worldwide rankings.
• 44:49
  I was #1. Wow, look at that.
• 44:52
  That's a very big deal. When are you?
• 44:53
  Going to go to B, how do you get into Group B?
• 44:55
  So so every season I get upgraded because my fitness and
• 44:59
  my power are going to move up. And then even as you're getting
• 45:02
  older. What?
• 45:03
  Well, throughout the season it goes up and then ironically, in
• 45:07
  the outdoor season where I'm riding outdoors, this workout is
• 45:10
  less structured. So I start the next season back
• 45:12
  and see and work my way back up to till I'm upgraded again to be
• 45:15
  it's it's a whole. So again, so how long did it
• 45:17
  take you to get here today by bike?
• 45:19
  So I didn't check. Around.
• 45:23
  Because it's hot and I'm wearing dress clothes.
• 45:24
  Yeah. I pedaled really softly.
• 45:27
  I was probably moving 1213 miles an hour, which is maybe 14 miles
• 45:32
  an hour because. It's not right.
• 45:33
  So it's a 20 minute drive for me to get here.
• 45:35
  How long do you? Take it a bike from an efficient
• 45:37
  right right there. We go now I.
• 45:38
  Understand where we're. Going yeah.
• 45:39
  I probably spent 3540 minutes getting here.
• 45:42
  When I spent 20 minutes on a car, you only spent 40 and you
• 45:46
  got here with exercise and that's crazy.
• 45:48
  That's amazing it. Takes us 20 minutes with a car.
• 45:50
  Going yeah. 50 miles an hour. Wow, wow, I.
• 45:53
  Guess it's going a more you have a different path getting here,
• 45:55
  like a more direct path. It was the route I took is 9
• 45:58
  miles. Wow.
• 46:00
  But you don't. You don't obviously use your
• 46:02
  phone. You're not.
• 46:03
  What do you do, right? What do you do while you're
• 46:04
  biking? What do you do?
• 46:05
  So it really depends on the type.
• 46:06
  I do different types of biking. So I do bike commuting, which is
• 46:10
  the type I did get in here. And then, you know, I, I might
• 46:14
  be listening to something I, or I might be just thinking and
• 46:17
  just letting my mind wander. And then when I do real fitness
• 46:21
  riding, like, you know, yesterday I did a, you know,
• 46:24
  about A50 mile ride up Bear Mountain and. 50 miles.
• 46:28
  Wow. Up Bear Mountain.
• 46:30
  What? That's amazing.
• 46:31
  Yeah. Perfect stop and wait a drive.
• 46:33
  Wait a second, you biked 50? Miles, That's not a long ride.
• 46:37
  What's the longest you've ever ridden?
• 46:38
  Drive the longest I've. Ridden Yeah A. 162 miles.
• 46:43
  Oh my goodness, you. Biked 162 miles.
• 46:48
  My son this was in like 2017. My son or 2018.
• 46:51
  One of the no 20/19/18. Anyway, my son was up in
• 46:57
  sleepaway camp in the Catskills and I got up in the morning.
• 47:00
  I dive in Basique and I dive in chakras right at sunrise.
• 47:03
  Hopped on my bike, rode out there, had lunch with him,
• 47:07
  hopped back on the bike. Wow, how long is bike for high?
• 47:11
  Just for context, bike. For high is about it depending
• 47:14
  about 180 miles between 2 days. And you did all that in one
• 47:18
  morning? No.
• 47:20
  One morning I got back. You went to him for lunch,
• 47:22
  right? And I got back Shia.
• 47:23
  Of course. But I'm saying but one day he
• 47:24
  did it. Yeah, one day, right?
• 47:26
  Was your legs on? Fire so no because I I do proper
• 47:31
  training. I usually don't ask questions,
• 47:34
  but I'm curious about one thing. When you have to go somewhere,
• 47:37
  do you ever like think I'll just drive I.
• 47:41
  Was like right versus of? Course I'm taking the bike.
• 47:43
  So when I have to go somewhere, the first option is, oh, can I
• 47:45
  bike there, Right. That's the first question, you
• 47:49
  know, and that's, that's always, that's always better.
• 47:53
  I, you know, I was 16 years old and got my driver's license.
• 47:56
  I sat in the car and it was really fun and exciting for 10
• 48:02
  minutes. I'm like, yeah, you want to hear
• 48:05
  a really fun fact? Please.
• 48:07
  OK, you love fun. Fact.
• 48:08
  So I'm, I'm a very like you said, very avid cyclist.
• 48:10
  I am the captain of the local bike for high team.
• 48:13
  I'm a big member of the of the cycling community here.
• 48:16
  You know, we have a big ride coming this Sunday.
• 48:17
  I'm making the I'm, you know, I ride between real life and
• 48:21
  virtual thousands and thousands of miles a year.
• 48:24
  Are you? One of the guys that wear like
• 48:25
  those tight Spanx things, you know and.
• 48:28
  Spandex. Spandex Lycra.
• 48:30
  Everyone does. Yeah, they all do.
• 48:31
  Yeah, I always. Some of them should not.
• 48:33
  It should be illegal for some of you guys, I'm sorry.
• 48:35
  I agree. My wife agrees.
• 48:37
  Yeah. We all agree, all of us driving
• 48:40
  by, but I'll tell you what, it's looks super uncomfortable.
• 48:43
  It doesn't look like it's even comfortable.
• 48:45
  Like I'm not sure the purpose of it.
• 48:46
  I'd rather just like wear, you know, shorts, you know,
• 48:48
  freestyle shorts and like free fall shorts, whatever.
• 48:51
  Like it's very tight. Like how do they do it?
• 48:53
  It it if they get used to. It probably better riding with
• 48:57
  it than without it, right? Right.
• 48:58
  But. Anyway, like scuba diving, you
• 49:01
  have your gear, that's your gear you're wearing.
• 49:03
  It's like you're you're going through the ear.
• 49:04
  You want to go through it. Comfortably Sunday is going to
• 49:07
  be the 10 year anniversary of the very first time in my life I
• 49:12
  ever rode A2 wheel bicycle. Wow.
• 49:15
  Ten years, yeah. That you were a 2 Wheeler?
• 49:17
  Yeah. You only started biking for the
• 49:19
  first time 10 years ago. Yeah.
• 49:21
  I understand. You learned.
• 49:22
  You only learned how to drive a bike.
• 49:24
  Do you know how like when your kid, you get your kid and they
• 49:26
  hit all the training wheels and they start, you started?
• 49:28
  I did that at 35 years old. Get out of here.
• 49:30
  What did I just miss? I thought you started at 16 when
• 49:33
  you got your license And you. No, I I I hated driving.
• 49:35
  That's what I'm saying. I never liked driving.
• 49:37
  You asked me if I do I ever want.
• 49:38
  To so since 16 you got your license.
• 49:40
  You hated driving, but you continued.
• 49:42
  And then, at 35, he decided to take the training wheels off and
• 49:45
  learn how to ride a bike. 35I learned how to ride.
• 49:48
  A bike? Wow.
• 49:49
  You know I play golf professionally now.
• 49:53
  A couple of years. Like what is?
• 49:55
  How do you get so good at something in such a short period
• 49:58
  of time? So thank God my fitness was
• 50:01
  good. I was doing, I was always
• 50:02
  active. So in my 20s I played a lot of
• 50:05
  tennis. In my early 30s I did a lot of
• 50:07
  rollerblading. So the fitness I had, but I just
• 50:10
  as a kid, I never learned how to ride the bike.
• 50:13
  Wow, you're making up for lost time, aren't?
• 50:15
  You. I'm sorry, I have to ask.
• 50:16
  I have to ask this question simply because I'm known in my
• 50:19
  neighborhood as the person that teaches kids how to ride
• 50:22
  bicycles. I have a good method.
• 50:23
  And if I would have met you 11 years ago, I'm just.
• 50:25
  Curious, you would have came to me at 35 and said, hey Michael,
• 50:28
  could you help me? I, I, I don't know what I would
• 50:31
  have done. I don't know if I could have
• 50:32
  done the same method. Other kids in the.
• 50:34
  Neighborhood I I there's a certain method, yes, where
• 50:36
  fathers come to me and they say, can you help my kid ride his
• 50:39
  bike? What's the method?
• 50:40
  Just push put some on route 3 O 6.
• 50:42
  He says go. Just push.
• 50:43
  I'm well aware with them. No, no, no, no.
• 50:45
  Why do these parents need you to?
• 50:47
  Well, it's not easy to teach your kids ride a bike.
• 50:49
  It's, it's a process. You have to put the proper
• 50:50
  training wheels on. They go, they go.
• 50:52
  The whole they go is to let go and be not be afraid.
• 50:54
  Yeah, it's. It's rocket science like you're
• 50:56
  like, if you work for NASA then. At 35, what did you do to start
• 50:59
  writing? A story goes like this.
• 51:00
  It was. It was 2014.
• 51:02
  I'm sorry, one second. You owe me a book.
• 51:04
  By the way, What about you 'cause you're putting me down to
• 51:06
  put you up a book? I'm just saying no, no, no.
• 51:08
  Because it's Nassau to ride a bike or the teacher to ride a
• 51:11
  bike. Parent or the parents down.
• 51:13
  Oh, that I'm telling you. Oh, OK.
• 51:14
  So teach the kid how to ride a bike.
• 51:16
  Yeah, no, not, not missing out of their, their experience.
• 51:18
  No, they're standing out there. They're out there with me.
• 51:21
  It's a method though, Michael. That's it's a process.
• 51:22
  Saying that, these parents, yeah.
• 51:24
  Should know better. No, they shouldn't.
• 51:25
  Say, Michael, this my kid had a ride.
• 51:27
  Not so simple. Teach my kid how to swim.
• 51:28
  What are you talking about? These fathers, they're not lazy
• 51:30
  just because, you know, just. Because you you should start
• 51:33
  saying no to them. Absolutely.
• 51:34
  Do me a favour, teach your own kid how to ride a.
• 51:36
  Bike. No, no, no.
• 51:37
  I love it. Are you kidding me?
• 51:38
  It's a method. It.
• 51:39
  It takes me two hours and they know how to ride a bike.
• 51:40
  Some parents struggle for weeks and they don't know what they're
• 51:42
  doing because they get too nervous to let go.
• 51:45
  So I teach them to let go. But Rabbi, So what did you do at
• 51:47
  35? So.
• 51:48
  So. It was Shabbas.
• 51:50
  Still owe me a gift. The Shabbas right after, did
• 51:52
  you? Give me a gift so you can get a
• 51:53
  gift back. Is that what you did?
• 51:55
  No, because then you could have, let me clarify.
• 51:57
  No, no, absolutely. I'm just using your method,
• 51:59
  that's all. Go ahead.
• 52:01
  I'll recommend you the right back.
• 52:04
  I'm like, what would that be actually?
• 52:06
  How to make friends and influence people?
• 52:10
  Well, you did good already there.
• 52:11
  Podcasting one O 1. Yeah, so I want to learn how you
• 52:16
  how you learn to ride a bike. Tell me about the process 14
• 52:18
  Yes, you're 3535 and A. Good friend of mine comes to me
• 52:22
  and shul and says I just got back from bike for hi and it is
• 52:26
  the most unbelievable experience for the most unbelievable cause
• 52:29
  right and and and just he says, Aaron, you have to do this next
• 52:35
  year you have to do bike for high.
• 52:37
  I'm like sold. I'll do it.
• 52:40
  OK, Step one, learn to ride a bike.
• 52:43
  So. Did Did he know that you didn't
• 52:46
  know how to ride a bike? I told him.
• 52:47
  Oh, you told him. OK.
• 52:47
  I told him. I said I don't know how to.
• 52:49
  Happen but. OK, listen, I got a year.
• 52:51
  Yeah. So the next day was Sunday and I
• 52:55
  took my 10 year old son's bike. He was almost 10 and I I did
• 53:01
  some Google research. I in New York City Bike New York
• 53:05
  has classes teaching adults how to ride a bike.
• 53:07
  No way. So I did, and I found out that
• 53:10
  the next morning in the Bronx, in one of the parks in the
• 53:12
  Bronx, they were having the class.
• 53:14
  So I took my 9 year old's bike, put it in the car and I you
• 53:19
  know, it's a tall kid so. So you're saying they needed a
• 53:22
  whole class to teach people how to ride?
• 53:24
  Because it's not so easy to ride to teach people by the way.
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  So the one thing I focus on when I have kids, I'm curious if they
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  did this by you, is just the balance.
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  Forget about peddling, yes, just learn how to balance.
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  So. I got there like an hour early
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  because I didn't know what traffic would be like.
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  And, and at that point I was motivated.
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  I was committed. So you know what, all the people
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  when I was a kid, you know, all the, all the, all the Michaels
• 53:47
  in the world who were telling me, OK, you're not going to
• 53:49
  fall. You're not going to fall.
• 53:50
  I was too scared to, you know, so by this point, like, I just
• 53:55
  want to do it already. So it was my will.
• 53:58
  Right. So by the time the class
• 54:00
  started, I already basically, you know, I was already doing
• 54:02
  laps around the park somewhat. The instructor came with pedal
• 54:07
  wrenches and took the pedals off of everyone's bike.
• 54:10
  That's what you're saying. So.
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  So no, don't worry about pedaling just and we used our
• 54:15
  feet like Flintstone style Fred Flintstone, you know, and you
• 54:19
  know, we we coasted, we glided and then you got you lift over
• 54:23
  your feet and you got used to that idea balancing of right
• 54:26
  balancing and how the motion of the bike will just carry you and
• 54:30
  then they put everyone's pedals back.
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  On and that's alert. Wow, two and a half, 2 1/2 weeks
• 54:34
  later. So I took this class on a Sunday
• 54:36
  morning. 2 1/2 weeks later. We had Sheva Brachas in Brooklyn
• 54:40
  and I told my wife I'll meet you there.
• 54:41
  No way. That's when it started that.
• 54:43
  At that point, at that point, I already bought myself a, you
• 54:47
  know, a Walmart type bike or Target bike, you know, and, and
• 54:52
  she drove in, I met her there and my in laws were still living
• 54:56
  there. So I had a place to shower and
• 54:58
  change. And that's two weeks, 2 1/2
• 55:00
  weeks after. So I took to it pretty quickly.
• 55:02
  And the rest is history. You know, on Shark Tank on the
• 55:05
  show, somebody invented a bike for kids to teach kids how to
• 55:10
  ride 2 Wheelers and the invention is that they don't
• 55:13
  have pedals on the bike and it's basically, you know, the user,
• 55:17
  their feet like the Flint the. Strider they call.
• 55:18
  They're called Striders I. Don't remember what the name is,
• 55:21
  the concept of schools and or the company.
• 55:23
  Yeah, those bikes exist in the world, Yeah, and they're called
• 55:26
  a Strider bike. OK, 'cause it's going back like
• 55:28
  five years ago, I saw this on the show, so it could be that,
• 55:30
  you know, it's been around now, but they got a deal from the
• 55:33
  Sharks that was a very big deal as well.
• 55:35
  Like a lot of money, but it was that was the concept is first
• 55:38
  you got to just learn how to basically balance, you know, on
• 55:40
  the bike and the rest is easy, right?
• 55:42
  So it's pretty fast. Do you have any other secret
• 55:44
  talents that we don't know about?
• 55:46
  What else do you do on your spare time?
• 55:48
  On my spare time, What's spare time?
• 55:52
  There's no spare time, everything was used so
• 55:54
  strategically. I see Strategically.
• 55:56
  What other hobbies do you have? What else do you like to do?
• 55:59
  So right now, really all my leisure time is because, you
• 56:03
  know, I've just become so focused on the cycling that
• 56:05
  became my, that became my, my, I'll say healthy obsession.
• 56:10
  And you know, so I have in I have in my bike room in my
• 56:15
  house, I have a scratch off map of the 50 States and every state
• 56:20
  that I ride my bike in I, I scratch.
• 56:22
  Them Wow, how many states have you done so far?
• 56:24
  I think now I'm up to 13. Amazing I.
• 56:26
  Have a long way to go. OK, but I, you know, I'm not,
• 56:29
  it's not, it's not a race. And.
• 56:31
  What does it do from a I'm just curious from a psychological
• 56:34
  level because I have to tell you that I've learned a lot by going
• 56:36
  to therapy for years. And one of the trade secrets
• 56:40
  within therapy is this need for your dopamine.
• 56:43
  You're, you're right. So I'm curious if you can
• 56:45
  explain to us from your perspective what it does for you
• 56:48
  when you're biking and when you're exercising or you're
• 56:50
  swimming or you're playing pickleball.
• 56:54
  What? What is that need?
• 56:56
  So every day it's a different need and it fills that need.
• 57:00
  You know, for me it's about mind, body and soul, you know,
• 57:04
  so, and as far as my body is concerned, right, my
• 57:08
  cardiovascular system is in really good shape.
• 57:11
  My blood pressure is lower, my resting heart rate is low.
• 57:15
  You know, I have back and neck arthritis.
• 57:19
  You know, I have spasm when I'm riding a lot.
• 57:23
  My muscles are stretched out, right?
• 57:24
  If I go a few days without riding, I start getting
• 57:26
  stiffness. So the benefits to my body are.
• 57:30
  Physical, that's all. Physical Self, that's bed.
• 57:33
  Body. That's body.
• 57:34
  Mind, it helps clear out my mind when there's a lot of clutter,
• 57:39
  when there's a lot of stress, when there's a lot of you know,
• 57:42
  I can't think straight, right. Sometimes my wife says go bike
• 57:46
  out the crazy, you know, like, you know, she says that
• 57:49
  affection. Yeah, yes, very smart woman.
• 57:51
  She says that affectionately, you know, and go for it.
• 57:54
  Go for a ride. Just go maybe I coined the term
• 57:56
  bike out the crazy. But like she knows that when
• 57:59
  I'm, you know, stressed, right, right.
• 58:01
  I need to sharpen that saw so it, it clears the mind, right?
• 58:06
  Especially if you have a gorgeous day and you, you know,
• 58:08
  we happen to live in an unbelievable area for cycling.
• 58:11
  You know, we have Harriman State Park and we have all the
• 58:13
  reservoirs in New Jersey. And you can go further north in
• 58:16
  the cats. Where's the nicest place to go
• 58:18
  cycling right now that you've experienced?
• 58:20
  The the one nicest. Or maybe even walking.
• 58:23
  You can also walk like you don't have.
• 58:25
  To so Harriman State Park is it is would be a slam dunk, except
• 58:29
  that because it's so close and we've all ridden it so many, all
• 58:33
  the cyclists have ridden it so many times, we forget how
• 58:36
  amazing it is. But anybody here who's never
• 58:38
  been, who lives in the Rockne County, there's beautiful hiking
• 58:42
  there. So if you like to hike, I'm not
• 58:43
  a hiker. The cycling there is is is
• 58:46
  gorgeous, very low traffic. The roads are pretty well
• 58:49
  maintained and the scenery is, you know, is, is unbelievable if
• 58:53
  you just appreciate nature and scenery and, and, and serenity,
• 58:57
  right? There's there's unbelievable
• 58:59
  serenity there. By the way, I I get that with my
• 59:01
  top down when I go with my Mustang convertible, you know,
• 59:04
  it helps also. It doesn't help my body, but it
• 59:07
  definitely helps my mind. I go there a lot.
• 59:09
  The views are fantastic. It's just you take in the nature
• 59:11
  and the ear and suddenly I see that I like birds.
• 59:15
  Right, right. So interesting because he asked
• 59:17
  me, you know what else? So I said mind, body and soul.
• 59:19
  So there's body and there's mind.
• 59:20
  Yeah. And then there's soul, OK.
• 59:24
  For me, and this is something that I think we've discussed in
• 59:29
  other discussions, spirituality is intertwined with the idea of
• 59:34
  connectedness, right? Being one with God in the
• 59:38
  universe and everything, right? Other people, right?
• 59:42
  Everything in existence feeling part of that existence on a day
• 59:48
  where there is the sun is shining and the wind is rustling
• 59:52
  the trees and the birds are chirping and there's the
• 59:54
  crickets and even I hear a snake Slytherin in the woods.
• 59:57
  So, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm biking and I'm exerting myself.
• 1:00:01
  My heart rate is that threshold right where you know, so I'm
• 1:00:05
  feeling it, I'm respirating, I'm breathing, I'm, I'm, I'm feeling
• 1:00:09
  strong feeling. And all of a sudden I'm one with
• 1:00:14
  the world around me right there. There's so much life and there's
• 1:00:18
  so much. Goodness, my soul feels so
• 1:00:24
  uplifted. I have a good friend who, you
• 1:00:26
  know, I like to ride with David Hamburger and he's, he like to
• 1:00:29
  say every great Shabbos starts with Arab Shabbos and
• 1:00:35
  Harrington, right? And I love that, you know, and
• 1:00:39
  it's like so true when you're in that serenity and that peaceful
• 1:00:42
  place, it puts you in that spiritual mindset that you know,
• 1:00:49
  it, it, it motivates me now to, you know, to want to connect
• 1:00:53
  with people, to want to be there for people, to want to form a
• 1:00:56
  network where I can give of myself to others and receive
• 1:01:00
  what they have to give for me. So what it does, Mind, body,
• 1:01:05
  soul, That's the best way I. Can I love it?
• 1:01:06
  I I do want to ask you a question that I know is going to
• 1:01:09
  invite another Part 3 to this so I don't want to get too into it,
• 1:01:13
  but how do you define soul? How do I define soul?
• 1:01:16
  Yeah. What is the soul?
• 1:01:21
  Is that what you're asking? Yeah, I'm asking how he defines
• 1:01:22
  soul. He says your soul feels it, your
• 1:01:25
  soul. I know a little bit because I've
• 1:01:28
  gone to his classes that he's given so.
• 1:01:32
  But I'd like to hear the clarity from him.
• 1:01:35
  The soul, well, it really gets into how I define God in the
• 1:01:41
  universe, right? Which is the totality of
• 1:01:44
  existence. So the soul is that part of the
• 1:01:49
  totality of existence that is defined as me.
• 1:01:57
  I don't have a great clear definition because all our
• 1:02:00
  definitions are trying to define them in in physical terms,
• 1:02:04
  right, right. How they are separate and
• 1:02:06
  distinct from other things, which is really the antithesis
• 1:02:08
  of what a soul is. So, but that's the best I could
• 1:02:11
  say. The part of the totality of
• 1:02:13
  existence that is me, that my body interacts with that is it
• 1:02:18
  fair to say subconscious? Is it fair to say that the soul
• 1:02:25
  is the subconscious? It's I have to think about that
• 1:02:29
  one. It's certainly not the conscious
• 1:02:31
  part of you so. Well, the conscious party was it
• 1:02:35
  all has access to the soul I met.
• 1:02:37
  All right. To be continued.
• 1:02:38
  To be continued. Yeah, yeah, I said.
• 1:02:41
  I prefaced it the. Question of Teach me the entire
• 1:02:43
  Torah on one leg, please. Right, That's what he just did,
• 1:02:45
  right? He wants a sentence.
• 1:02:47
  Of I want all I want. What is a soul?
• 1:02:48
  I just want getting that here today.
• 1:02:50
  I just want more. I want more.
• 1:02:52
  That's all I'm saying. It was so nice having you,
• 1:02:54
  Rabbi. I have to say that, you know,
• 1:02:57
  our podcast that we're doing here is about our growth
• 1:03:00
  personally and professionally. Having Someone Like You here and
• 1:03:03
  talking about the reality of our anxieties and seeing us being
• 1:03:07
  vulnerable and transparent, you know, invites the discussion to
• 1:03:10
  continue and for us to continue to grow and start off every day
• 1:03:13
  anew. I love that approach.
• 1:03:15
  And I, you know, I look forward to doing more, but she any
• 1:03:19
  parting words, questions or thoughts?
• 1:03:21
  So I want to give one parting word, which is somewhat advice
• 1:03:24
  to other people that are listening is as a company, we've
• 1:03:28
  recognized the importance of, I mean, most companies know this
• 1:03:31
  is that culture of a company is, is critical.
• 1:03:35
  Everybody's rowing the you know, the boat the same way, very
• 1:03:37
  important. And what we've recognized is
• 1:03:40
  that one of the ways to enhance that culture is to bring in
• 1:03:44
  periodically, once every couple of weeks, I think we do it where
• 1:03:46
  we bring in a rabbi. Specifically we picked we chose
• 1:03:49
  was rabbis had a very unique art form and what they do they're
• 1:03:52
  they're preachers and not just preaching, though they have a
• 1:03:55
  lot of worldly experiences as well.
• 1:03:57
  And they combine everything and people can really be uplifted by
• 1:04:01
  it and people become more positive from it.
• 1:04:03
  So we recognize that and as a company, we bring in rabbis only
• 1:04:07
  rabbis specifically to come in and to talk to to the entire
• 1:04:10
  company. And we found it to be so
• 1:04:11
  beneficial. The feedback we've been getting
• 1:04:13
  is incredible. So if anybody listening that has
• 1:04:16
  a company and have employees and there was looking for new
• 1:04:18
  creative ways how to enhance the culture of the.
• 1:04:22
  Country. I think that they should reach
• 1:04:24
  out to their local rabbi, people who they're close with, and
• 1:04:27
  bring them into the fold. And I think the rabbis like it.
• 1:04:29
  They appreciate it as well. Yeah, we do that here.
• 1:04:30
  We rotate. And you've been here before.
• 1:04:32
  And so you, you're a part of that, you know, growth with us.
• 1:04:35
  I do want to mention, though, rabbis that are leaders,
• 1:04:38
  mentors, therapists, you know, people that have ideas and good
• 1:04:42
  ideas to share, not just rabbis. Because to become a rabbi, you
• 1:04:45
  need to know not to mix meat and milk together.
• 1:04:47
  And you need to be very, you know, you know, and learned
• 1:04:50
  about the laws of kosher, not just rabbis.
• 1:04:54
  Just want to clarify that, of course.
• 1:04:55
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  So the people that we have immediate access to that are in
• 1:04:58
  our circles, in our communities. Everyday that have that help us.
• 1:05:00
  Grow people get lost like that's all they do they're.
• 1:05:03
  They're so capable they it's a great tip for any company.
• 1:05:05
  You know what billions the show billions Rabbi, I'm not sure if
• 1:05:08
  you heard of the show. It's a fantastic show, amazing
• 1:05:11
  show and it's all about, you know, it's a high driven company
• 1:05:14
  and they're all very, very smart and hard working.
• 1:05:16
  Reminds me of prime source. OK, the energy and the people
• 1:05:20
  and like they have a full time therapist in house, in house and
• 1:05:24
  it helps them. And not only it helps them, it's
• 1:05:26
  part of their organization. They have HR, they have
• 1:05:29
  receivables, payables, part of the leadership as well.
• 1:05:31
  Yeah, having a rabbi. Decisions based on what she's.
• 1:05:34
  And I know she you're 100% right for bringing it up.
• 1:05:36
  And I applaud you and the organization and the people of
• 1:05:39
  Prime Source that made this happen, especially our partner
• 1:05:41
  Mark and David that are behind this initiative.
• 1:05:45
  And it's a great idea. I think people, you know, people
• 1:05:47
  have programs where people learn with one another.
• 1:05:49
  That's also fantastic. This is just another way to help
• 1:05:52
  build each other up. Morale, the culture. 10 minutes,
• 1:05:55
  15 minutes. Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  And, and to give us tools like we had here today, real tools
• 1:05:59
  that we can use in our everyday life, which is amazing.
• 1:06:02
  Yeah. I want to thank you because I
• 1:06:04
  don't care if we have one listener from this.
• 1:06:06
  I was avidly listening throughout and you enhanced and
• 1:06:10
  you improved my life. So with especially with, you
• 1:06:14
  know, the tools that we spoke about in the previous hour was
• 1:06:16
  amazing. It's going to sit with me.
• 1:06:17
  I've processed it a little bit since then, but I'm going to
• 1:06:20
  digest it and process it even more and just know that you made
• 1:06:23
  a difference in my life and ultimately in my child's life
• 1:06:27
  and in his child's life. So this is very impactful.
• 1:06:29
  I appreciate it. Thank you very much for coming
• 1:06:30
  on. It was really a pleasure.
• 1:06:33
  It's always great to spend time with you guys and talking about
• 1:06:35
  some issues and topics that are really important to me and
• 1:06:40
  pleasure was. Mine, I love it and I think I
• 1:06:41
  coined a phrase from this discussion is let's continue to
• 1:06:45
  grow together and we'll end with that together.
• 1:06:47
  Exactly. Together, we are experts.
• 1:06:49
  Together we are stronger. Together we can grow.
• 1:06:53
  Absolutely excellent. OK.
• 1:06:54
  Thank you, Rabbi. That's a wrap all.
• 1:06:56
  Right.