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Sharri | 26 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thanks Andrew, and good evening everyone. In
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Speaker 2: breaking news tonight, the head of Iran's navy, responsible for
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Speaker 2: the closure of the Strait of Hormus has reportedly been killed.
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Speaker 2: This is major and should help to free up shipping.
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Speaker 2: Will bring you the latest in a moment. But this
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Speaker 2: comes as the fuel crisis impacts more than six hundred
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Speaker 2: service stations across the country. We're hearing tonight that already
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Speaker 2: some have started to ration fuel, setting a fifty liter limit.
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Speaker 2: I'll bring you those details shortly. Albanezey's answer another national
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Speaker 2: meeting in four days time. Nationals leader Matt Canavan would
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Speaker 2: join me in a moment. We'll also get the latest
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Speaker 2: on the war, as President Trump threatens to unleash Hell
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Speaker 2: if Iran turns down a deal, and intelligence agencies are
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Speaker 2: increasingly worried about Iran's sleeper SOELE network. A long time
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Speaker 2: is Israeli intelligence officer will be here live. We'll bring
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Speaker 2: you tonight an exclusive new report that shows how real
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Speaker 2: wages are now lower than thirty years ago. Plus how
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Speaker 2: Meghan Kelly's SOB story masks the campaign of hatred she's
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Speaker 2: encouraging against Jews. That's all coming up. But first tonight
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Speaker 2: more than six hundred service stations are suffering fuel shortages.
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Speaker 2: Here's how it's looking in your state. In New South
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Speaker 2: Wales three hundred and fourteen petro stations are out of
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Speaker 2: at least one type of fuel. In Victoria one hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventeen, Queensland eighty eight. South Australia nineteen and WA
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Speaker 2: has had a big increase from yesterday now up to
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Speaker 2: fifty four. The Prime Minister has called a national Cabinet
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Speaker 2: meeting on Monday to walk work out an Australia wide
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Speaker 2: plan to conserve fuel, but the former Prime Minister Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbott said this would simply be a photo opportunity. It's
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Speaker 2: not real action.
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Speaker 3: He thinks that having a meeting is somehow making a difference.
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Speaker 3: Well wrong, that's a photo op. Whenever there's a crisis,
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Speaker 3: whether it was the Bondai massacre, whether it's the current
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Speaker 3: Iran war, the Prime Minister goes missing and we need
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Speaker 3: a leader who takes charge, not someone who was paralyzed
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Speaker 3: by events.
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Speaker 2: He's completely right, and this is classic Albanezi. Pretend there's
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Speaker 2: no problem, bury your head in the sound and hope
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Speaker 2: it all goes away without having to take responsibility and
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Speaker 2: deal with it. This is what we've seen from the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government for nearly four weeks now, denial, more denial,
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Speaker 2: gas lighting motorists and farmers.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: Dennis Shanahan writes tonight in The Australian that at times
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Speaker 2: of a serious crisis, it does indeed require serious people
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Speaker 2: to act seriously, and he says Labor thought that an
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Speaker 2: ineffective coalition in Parliament meant Chris bowl And could get
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Speaker 2: away with his usual dodging of questions, his dismissive behavior
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Speaker 2: and arrogant advice to motorists of don't panic and that
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Speaker 2: it's un Australian to top up your tank, as well
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Speaker 2: as belittling coalition MPs. Obviously that's not working. Albanezy was
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Speaker 2: also shamed by this incredible Sydney mum anna who sounded
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Speaker 2: very distressed that she spoke about how difficult it is
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Speaker 2: to get fuel. Here's her call to Tugbi this morning.
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Speaker 5: I had to drive my kids to their sports carnival
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Speaker 5: today and I was just panicking driving past five different
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Speaker 5: field stations. There's no fuel, thinking well what do I
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Speaker 5: do I mean? If you know there's no fuel. What
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Speaker 5: if my kids get sick and I can't pick them
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Speaker 5: up and I've got no family help. I do everything
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Speaker 5: on my own.
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Speaker 2: And that was on Mark Levy's program.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: Albanezi was asked about the plight of Anna and others
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Speaker 2: like her in Parliament today, but it continued to downplay
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Speaker 2: the seriousness of the crisis.
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Speaker 6: When will the Prime Minister finally take action to ensure
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Speaker 6: fuel gets to his own constituents.
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Speaker 7: The comments from Anna in Croydon Park, of course, are
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Speaker 7: real because people out there are facing a difficult circumstance.
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Speaker 7: The government acknowledges that we don't come in here and
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Speaker 7: say there's not a war. We don't come in here
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Speaker 7: and say there aren't issues of distribution. What we do
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Speaker 7: is come in here and put forward practical plans.
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Speaker 2: And our position. Leader Angus Taylor said the government's approach
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Speaker 2: wasn't good enough. He was demanding better solutions a minister.
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Speaker 8: Australians are hurting. Fuel prices are up by over fifty percent.
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Speaker 8: Service stations are running dry. Farmers can't farm, trackies can't track,
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Speaker 8: miners can't mine. The cost of food is set to rise.
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Speaker 8: Vital health services are at risk.
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Speaker 1: When is the.
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister finally going to show leadership and fix this
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Speaker 8: national crisis.
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Speaker 2: But Chris Bowen just had more excuses. At first he
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Speaker 2: was keen to deny there was an issue. Now he
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Speaker 2: deflects responsibility and this attitude has been incredibly frustrating for
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Speaker 2: Australians all week, drivers, businesses and farmers who want a
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Speaker 2: decisive plan of action, not just more denial and excuses.
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Speaker 2: And here was Chris Bowen today.
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Speaker 9: As the supply chain recovers, as I had too during COVID.
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Speaker 9: In so many instances, when you get a big increase
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Speaker 9: in the man it takes time for the supply chain
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Speaker 9: to recover to backfill the existing demand. If you take
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Speaker 9: Ampole and Viva together, they are supplying a lot more
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Speaker 9: petrol and diesel to regional Australia now than they.
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Speaker 4: Were a year ago.
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Speaker 9: Is to speaker a year ago. That is catching up
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Speaker 9: with that massive increase in demand that we saw in
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Speaker 9: the days following the twenty eighth of February.
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Speaker 2: Premier Chris Means today said that there are distribution problems
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Speaker 2: and that it was particularly difficult for independence stations in
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Speaker 2: regional areas to access fuel. He has a team of
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Speaker 2: public servants, ringing the state service stations one by one
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Speaker 2: to ask if they've got enough fuel or they're having
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Speaker 2: any supply issues. There's no other clear way to ensure
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Speaker 2: that the fuel is getting where it needs to go.
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Speaker 2: The government has also written to fuel companies to ask
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Speaker 2: them for their distributional lists to make sure they're not
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Speaker 2: holding supply for their big contracts and just letting the
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Speaker 2: regional stations run dry.
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Speaker 10: There's clearly distribution problems when it comes to we think
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Speaker 10: independent petrol stations accessing on site fuel. Now we know
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Speaker 10: that in their internal marketplace they can see that the
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Speaker 10: fuel is available, but it's not available to purchase.
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Speaker 1: We want to know why.
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Speaker 10: We're speaking with the oil companies to give us greater clarity.
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Speaker 2: And Victoria Premieresina Alan has also said that fuel rationing
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Speaker 2: should be led by the Alban Eazy government. A third
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Speaker 2: point I made before the National Cabinet meeting and continue
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Speaker 2: to make is that any any response to a shortening
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Speaker 2: of supply should be a nationally coordinated one and one
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Speaker 2: Nation's Barnaby Joyce has reinforced his and Paul Enhansen's push
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Speaker 2: for fuel rationing.
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Speaker 11: Therefore, you should be having rationing now, and you should
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Speaker 11: be brave enough to say to the Australian people, Look,
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Speaker 11: you're not going to like this, but you're going to
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Speaker 11: appreciate A plan is better than panic, and panic is
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Speaker 11: where we're going.
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Speaker 2: And already there are reports tonight in the Australian that
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Speaker 2: some service stations are just implementing fuel rationing themselves, though
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Speaker 2: Australian has one example of a service station in Northern
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Speaker 2: Sydney that is limiting fuel to fifty liters per customer.
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Speaker 2: That's what happens when there's no national approach, service stations
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Speaker 2: taken into their own hands. But here's an idea that
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Speaker 2: one of Australia's most successful businessmen has suggested to me.
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Speaker 2: It's to make public transport free for a period of time, trains, buses, trams.
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Speaker 2: This would mean there's no need to work from home
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Speaker 2: and it would encourage more people to use public transport
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Speaker 2: and to take the pressure off the fuel supplies. Sounds
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Speaker 2: like a pretty smart business solution to me. Now, President
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Speaker 2: Trump has threatened to unleash Hell if Iran doesn't agree
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Speaker 2: to conditions to end the war, and he's taken two
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Speaker 2: senior Iranians off the so called kill list to engage
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Speaker 2: in these talks. Those figures are the Foreign Minister Abbasaragachi
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Speaker 2: and the Parliamentary Speaker Mohammed bagger Gallabaf. Iran's official position, though,
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Speaker 2: is that the United States is negotiating with themselves. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is posturing. It's also Iran's war strategy to keep
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Speaker 2: the markets in turmoil and to squeeze the oil supply
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Speaker 2: and hope the pressure on the global economy builds to
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Speaker 2: boiling point. But there's an issue when the mainstream media
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Speaker 2: doesn't tend to believe what President Trump says and automatically
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Speaker 2: believes Iran Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison spoke to me
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Speaker 2: about this flawed situation with the media on the show
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Speaker 2: this week. Doesn't seem to you that much of the
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Speaker 2: media globally are almost barracking for the United States and
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Speaker 2: Israel to lose.
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Speaker 12: I often get that impression, sadly, Shari. I don't want
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Speaker 12: to believe it, but it keeps presenting itself. I mean,
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Speaker 12: such as some commentators disdained for the president, but to
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Speaker 12: barrack for the United States's enemies just to prove a
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Speaker 12: point just seems, you know, trumped arrangement. Syndrome gone to
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Speaker 12: a whole new level.
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't know it from reading the left media, but militarily,
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Speaker 2: Iran is losing badly. It's been pummeled. The US and
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Speaker 2: Israel have hit more than ten thousand Iranian military targets.
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Speaker 2: Ninety two percent of Iranian's largest naval vessels have been
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Speaker 2: taken out. It's drone in missile launch rates are down
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Speaker 2: by ninety percent, and Trump insists that Iranian officials are
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Speaker 2: negotiating to end the war. He says, they're desperate to
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Speaker 2: end it, but they're afraid to admit it publicly, and
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Speaker 2: they are.
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Speaker 4: Negotiating, by the way, and they want to make.
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Speaker 6: It deal so badly, but they're afraid to say it
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Speaker 6: because they figure they'll be.
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Speaker 4: Killed by their own people. They're also afraid they'll be
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Speaker 4: killed by Yes.
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Speaker 2: Now, Trump does want to end the war soon. This
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Speaker 2: isn't premature ending as a result of the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 2: The President always said this would be a war that
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Speaker 2: lasts four to six weeks, and on Saturday, it'll be
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Speaker 2: four weeks since the war began. Here is pre Secretary
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Speaker 2: Caroline Levitt speaking about this timing today from.
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Speaker 13: The outset President Trump in the Department of War estimated
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Speaker 13: it would take approximately four to six weeks to achieve
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Speaker 13: this critical mission. Twenty five days in the greatest military
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Speaker 13: the world has ever known. Is a head of schedule
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Speaker 13: in performing exceptionally, and.
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Speaker 2: There are reports the Vice President J. D. Vance might
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Speaker 2: travel to Pakistan for peace talks later this week, maybe
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Speaker 2: on the weekend with Steve Whitkoff, but the US is
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Speaker 2: expecting the war to end at least before Trump visits
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Speaker 2: President she in China in May, and in the meantime,
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Speaker 2: the strikes against Iran conti. The US Central Command says
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Speaker 2: it's damaged or destroyed most of the Iranian facilities that
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Speaker 2: are used to build missiles, drones, and warships, and the
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Speaker 2: United States has begun to amass ground troops near Iran.
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Speaker 2: There are two two hundred Marines arriving Friday and a
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Speaker 2: combat brigade from the Army's eighty second Airborne Division parachuters two.
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Speaker 2: This would be a warning to Iran to encourage them
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Speaker 2: to agree to those fifteen conditions that Trump outlined, but
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Speaker 2: Trump would also be prepared to use these ground troops
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Speaker 2: if necessary.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: If the war ends soon and the threat of attacks
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Speaker 2: on the straight of Horn moves evaporate. The fuel situation
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Speaker 2: will hopefully ride itself quickly. But right now there are
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Speaker 2: no guarantees exactly when the war will end. Now, I
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Speaker 2: really don't want to waste my time and energy on
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Speaker 2: Megan Kelly, but if she's going to attack us on
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Speaker 2: our own network moments after I'm on air, that I'm
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Speaker 2: forced into addressing it. Well, here's what she said to
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Speaker 2: her critics, which includes me, Andrew Bolt and others, last.
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Speaker 14: Night, we'll go for yourselves. No, the answer is no.
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Speaker 2: But last night Megan Kelly misconstrued the criticism against her.
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Speaker 2: She pretended it was because she's friends with Tucker Carlson,
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Speaker 2: and it's got nothing to do with Tucker Carlson and
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Speaker 2: everything to do with the campaign of hatred she's encouraging
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Speaker 2: against Jews. Megan Kelly has personally praised and advocated for
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Speaker 2: the two worst anti semites in modern America, Nick Fuentes
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Speaker 2: and Candors Olence. I've played this on air before, but
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Speaker 2: here's what she had to say about Nick Fuentes, who's
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Speaker 2: repeatedly praised Hitler, said he was awesome right and that
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Speaker 2: the Holocaust didn't happen.
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Speaker 14: So it was a worthwhile exercise because he's a very
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Speaker 14: interesting guy.
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Speaker 15: Let's face it, he's obviously got some very extreme views,
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Speaker 15: but he's very interesting and he's very smart and on
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Speaker 15: a lot of things. There is value to be derived
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Speaker 15: from that guy's messaging. I'm sorry, but he actually has
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Speaker 15: a lot of things he talks about that you're like, oh,
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Speaker 15: this is not.
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Speaker 14: A bad point about our country.
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Speaker 15: I excuse his thoughts on race and Jews and the
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Speaker 15: Holocaust now that obviously, so.
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Speaker 2: That's Megan Kelly praising and sanitizing a horrendous anti Semite.
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Speaker 2: She's doing the same thing with Candace Owens.
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Speaker 14: And then came Candice Owns and that she really drives
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Speaker 14: people crazy. She drives them crazy.
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Speaker 15: They were very angry that I didn't call her out
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Speaker 15: for what she said about Israel possibly being involved with
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Speaker 15: Charlie Kirk. And I've gotten to know her a lot
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Speaker 15: better over the past six months, and actually I know
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Speaker 15: her better now than ever, And I've learned a lot
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Speaker 15: about what's being done to Candace by some of the
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Speaker 15: people we've been discussing, and it's disgusting and I'm horrified
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Speaker 15: by what she's been put through.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, She's gotten to know her a lot better over
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Speaker 2: the past six months, developing a friendship with her. Well,
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Speaker 2: Megan is contributing to this horrible culture of this anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism we're seeing by running with the conspiracy theory that
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Speaker 2: questions should be asked about Israel's non existent role in
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's death.
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Speaker 15: I'm the sick of as I am allowed to have
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Speaker 15: questions about what, if anyone aligned with Israel or from
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Speaker 15: Israel might have had to do with Charlie's death. I
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Speaker 15: think it was Tyler Robinson. I think he acted either
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Speaker 15: alone or with Trans Tifa. I have an open heart to.
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Speaker 14: He was manipulated by somebody. I do so I'm fine
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Speaker 14: with those questions.
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Speaker 2: No, we do know Israel had nothing to do with
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, who had a very good relationship with Benjamin
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Speaker 2: nettin Yahoo and loved Israel. This is a sick conspiracy theory,
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Speaker 2: and she knows it. And it's understandable that many people,
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Speaker 2: well both Jews and non Jews, are upset with Megan
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Speaker 2: Kelly over all of this. Now, Meghan Kelly is adding
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Speaker 2: to the threats against the Jewish community. She's making life
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Speaker 2: more unsafe for Jews because she's blaming Jews for the
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Speaker 2: war against Iran.
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Speaker 15: Our government's job is not to look out for Iran
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Speaker 15: or for Israel. It's toll out for us. And this
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Speaker 15: feels very much to me like it is clearly Israel's war.
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Speaker 15: Mark Levin wanted it.
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Speaker 14: It's his war. Ben Shapiro, Lindsey Graham, Miria Maddelson. That's obvious.
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Speaker 14: They are the ones who've been pushing us into this.
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Speaker 2: She's running the old anti Semitic trope, the Jews control everything.
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Speaker 2: She's blaming high profile Jews for controlling President Trump, and
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Speaker 2: she knows it's not true. No one controls Trump, certainly
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Speaker 2: not some commentators like Ben Shapiro or Mark Levin. With
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Speaker 2: her relentless attacks against Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, she's
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Speaker 2: turning the two highest profile Jewish commentators into America's public
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Speaker 2: enemy number one. She's got millions of followers. So how
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Speaker 2: do you think her comments would impact on the personal
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Speaker 2: security of Jews like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, Miriam
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Speaker 2: Edelson as well, and the broader Jewish community globally Because
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Speaker 2: her reach is everywhere there's free speech, and I support
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Speaker 2: free speech. On the Iran War. I do, but I
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Speaker 2: don't support Meghan Kelly launching campaigns against high profile Jews
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Speaker 2: and also praising anti Semites. These times are too dangerous
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Speaker 2: to sanitize and defend Candice Omens and Nick Fuentez. We're
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Speaker 2: already living in fear of another terror attack like Bondai.
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Speaker 2: Anti Semites on the far right and the far left
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Speaker 2: are to blame for encouraging this new climate of menacing
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Speaker 2: and murderous anti Semitism. Okay, let's return to the fuel crisis,
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Speaker 2: and I'm pleased to say National's leader Matt Canavan joins
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Speaker 2: me now as always on a Thursday. Matt, great to
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Speaker 2: see you. Barnaby Jos and Pauline Hansen are demanding fuel rationing.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree this is needed right now?
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Speaker 16: Well, Shari, the government says we have enough fuel in
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Speaker 16: this country. And while we have enough fuel in this country,
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Speaker 16: I don't think we need to resort to wartime rationing
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Speaker 16: just yet. What's important, of course, is that we do
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Speaker 16: plan for the worst, but to hope for the best always,
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Speaker 16: and this government, unfortunately, I think, has not been or
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Speaker 16: has not done that planning to date. It's taken weeks
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Speaker 16: for it to get the detailed information out there about
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Speaker 16: where petrol is unavailable, and that's obviously delayed its ability
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Speaker 16: to get supplies to where it's needed. I'm glad that
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Speaker 16: that is somewhat happening now, but it's very hard for
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Speaker 16: people out there right now, Petrol well over two dollars fifty,
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Speaker 16: diesel of three dollars. I just don't think the government's
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Speaker 16: taking seriously here the pain that's being inflicted on the
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Speaker 16: Australian people, and it continues to obsess over crazy things
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Speaker 16: like DNT zero by twenty fifty, which I think, while
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Speaker 16: ever the price of petrol is above two dollars fifty,
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Speaker 16: those sort of ideas should be suspended.
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Speaker 2: So just to clarify, do you think we should be
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Speaker 2: looking at fuel rationing. I mean there's already reports that
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Speaker 2: some service stations taking it upon themselves to do that there.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned before, there's one in Northern Sydney that's
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Speaker 2: limiting supply to fifty leaders per customer.
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Speaker 16: Well, I think the government should do more here to
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Speaker 16: get the supply of fuel to those businesses. As I
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Speaker 16: said that, the government says there's enough fuel in the country,
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Speaker 16: we don't have any reason to believe anything different, and
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Speaker 16: if there is that fuel in the country that actually
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Speaker 16: say there's more. They've been saying this week there's more
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Speaker 16: fuel in the country than there was before the crisis. Well,
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Speaker 16: why can't we get the distribution of that fuel to
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Speaker 16: where it's needed. The government does have powers to do this,
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Speaker 16: but in my experience, governments typically don't need to use
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Speaker 16: all the powers they've got. They just simply need to
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Speaker 16: get across the issue, be where the gaps are, where
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Speaker 16: the gaps are, and make a few phone calls to
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Speaker 16: the private businesses to get off their backsides and get
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Speaker 16: the fuel flowing. Usually that's enough to get it done.
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Speaker 16: And gas Taylor did that during the ad Blue crisis.
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Speaker 16: I did that when I was Resources as Minister during
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Speaker 16: the twenty seventeen gas shortages, and we got those things
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Speaker 16: fixed pretty quickly.
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Speaker 2: So it does look like this situation will get worse
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Speaker 2: before it gets better, before the war ends. There's a
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Speaker 2: National Cabinet meeting that the Prime Minister has called for Monday.
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Speaker 2: What measures And you've spoken about distribution, but putting distribution aside.
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Speaker 2: If it does get worse, if supply does become a
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Speaker 2: serious issue, what measures do you think he should look at.
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Speaker 16: Well, look, I do think we have to look at
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Speaker 16: how much this is costing Australian So we've got a
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Speaker 16: situation going into this war where inflation is the highest
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Speaker 16: in the developed world in Australia. As a result of that,
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Speaker 16: our interest rates are also the highest in the developed world,
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Speaker 16: and that has meant that's meant that the budgets of
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Speaker 16: Australian families are already stretched and really can't copy any
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Speaker 16: more Austraian on them. And so having put us in
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Speaker 16: this vulnerable position entering into this crisis, I think the
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Speaker 16: government should be looking at ways to provide relief to
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Speaker 16: Australian So obviously there's a lot of tax that comes
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Speaker 16: from the petrol pump, both in XCIS and GST. There
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Speaker 16: are ways that government could look at this, so I'd
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Speaker 16: be imploring them to focus on that first. Obviously the
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Speaker 16: second step there is then keeping the supply of fuel
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Speaker 16: to the country, touching.
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Speaker 2: The excise but looking at not putting GSD on fuel.
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Speaker 1: No, I think I don't.
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Speaker 16: Look, there's lots of different ways to skin that cat Shari.
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Speaker 16: The key issue is to provide relief to the Australian people.
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Speaker 16: That's what the government should be looking at doing There
22:09
Speaker 16: are some issues I think with looking at the GST,
22:11
Speaker 16: but look, I want the goal here is to help
22:15
Speaker 16: the austrail people. And the other point here to make
22:18
Speaker 16: is that supply of those boats. It looks like we're
22:22
Speaker 16: okay for the next few weeks. After that it's a
22:23
Speaker 16: bit more difficult. The government should be looking to use
22:29
Speaker 16: the exports we have of coal of gas to ensure
22:33
Speaker 16: that the trade, the export of fuel in the other
22:37
Speaker 16: direction is maintained because we're in the lucky position that
22:41
Speaker 16: a lot of our gas and coal goes to the
22:44
Speaker 16: same countries to supply us with liquid fuels. So we
22:48
Speaker 16: should be embracing that anything but easy. Should be hugging
22:51
Speaker 16: a lump of coal every night before I go to bed,
22:53
Speaker 16: maybe a kissing a vial of gas. You probably want
22:55
Speaker 16: to sniff any gas, but do something to genuflect a
22:58
Speaker 16: gas as well, because it's those two products as fossile
23:00
Speaker 16: fuels are going to say us through this, we're very
23:02
Speaker 16: lucky to be a net energy exporter during an energy crisis.
23:06
Speaker 16: We're just a bit deficient in liquid fuels, so that
23:08
Speaker 16: gap needs to be replaced.
23:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, just on the point about giving some relief to
23:14
Speaker 2: drivers or farmers, families who are doing it tough. I
23:17
Speaker 2: mean I initially supported the idea of taking off the
23:20
Speaker 2: fuel that scise. It's what the Morrison government did during
23:23
Speaker 2: the Ukraine War for a six month period. But I
23:25
Speaker 2: had an expert on here last night who said that
23:27
Speaker 2: will only increase Any form of relief will only increase
23:32
Speaker 2: the problem because then you're making fuel more accessible, you're
23:35
Speaker 2: increasing demand, whereas if the prices are higher, then that's
23:39
Speaker 2: actually a deterrent. What do you think about that?
23:44
Speaker 16: Well, what the reason the price of petrol goes very
23:48
Speaker 16: high is it's quickly is because the demand is what
23:52
Speaker 16: an economic jargon terms inelastic demand doesn't change that much
23:57
Speaker 16: in regards to price. So look, depends obviously on on
24:01
Speaker 16: how much relief you're providing, but you think they should
24:05
Speaker 16: be it is unlikely to be a significant change. Well,
24:08
Speaker 16: I think these things need to be explored because people
24:10
Speaker 16: are doing.
24:10
Speaker 1: It really tough.
24:10
Speaker 16: I mean I've had constituents contact me saying they're spending
24:14
Speaker 16: four or five hundred dollars a week on petrol right now.
24:18
Speaker 16: You know, fair families with lots of kids, lots of
24:21
Speaker 16: driving around town to sporting events, to school. It's getting
24:25
Speaker 16: the approach. It's getting to the point where petrols almost
24:27
Speaker 16: as much as your rent or your mortgage, and that's
24:29
Speaker 16: just unsustainable for people, So that has to be looked at.
24:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, just finally we're looking at a fertilizer crunch as well.
24:36
Speaker 2: Planting season is approaching, farm groups are warning that we've
24:40
Speaker 2: only got about six weeks of supply. Some vegetable growers
24:43
Speaker 2: are down to three weeks or less. How serious is
24:47
Speaker 2: this and are you then worried about the flow and
24:49
Speaker 2: effect for produce.
24:52
Speaker 16: I'm even more worried about fertilizer than fuel, because there
24:57
Speaker 16: does seem to be real world shortages of this product
25:00
Speaker 16: urging even more than that of petrol. To put that
25:02
Speaker 16: in context, about twenty percent of the world's oil comes
25:05
Speaker 16: from the Middle East, but a third of the world's urea,
25:08
Speaker 16: or the most important fertilizer, comes from the Middle East.
25:11
Speaker 16: And in Australia we get two thirds of our urea
25:14
Speaker 16: from the Middle East. Before net zero, before we went
25:17
Speaker 16: mad with green schemes, we used to make urea here
25:20
Speaker 16: from natural gas. You need gas to make your ear,
25:22
Speaker 16: you need gas to eat food effectively, because without these
25:26
Speaker 16: nitrogen based fertilizers like urea, you can't grow the kind
25:30
Speaker 16: of food we do here in Australia and therefore we
25:31
Speaker 16: can't feed Australia. Now this is very serious because if
25:35
Speaker 16: farmers missed planting windows, missed the opportunities to put fertilizer
25:39
Speaker 16: on their crops and the months ahead, that's going to
25:41
Speaker 16: mean an impact on our food supply for the next
25:43
Speaker 16: six months at least possibly a year, depending on the
25:46
Speaker 16: growing cycles of different crops, because they don't you know
25:49
Speaker 16: that that's it, they're out, they're out. They won't they
25:50
Speaker 16: won't harvest for that period, and so we're hearing reports
25:54
Speaker 16: of fertilizer prices already doubling at the moment and just
25:58
Speaker 16: simply an inability to get supply of them. So that
26:01
Speaker 16: needs to be a focus of the government as well,
26:03
Speaker 16: again using the leverage we've got of our coal and
26:05
Speaker 16: guests to get what we can for fertilizer so we
26:08
Speaker 16: can keep our country fed.
26:10
Speaker 2: Maybe you can give alb an easier gift of coal
26:13
Speaker 2: to take to bed with him, as you've suggested. Matt Canavan.
26:16
Speaker 2: Good to see you got plenty of it, I'm sure
26:19
Speaker 2: you do. Good to see you as always on a Thursday.
26:22
Speaker 2: All right, we can now bring you an exclusive new
26:24
Speaker 2: report that examines real wages and it reveals real wages
26:28
Speaker 2: are now lower than thirty years ago, so lower now
26:32
Speaker 2: than they were in nineteen ninety eight in inflation. Therefore
26:36
Speaker 2: maybe in a real sense a lot higher than Australians
26:39
Speaker 2: have been led to believe. This is an Institute of
26:42
Speaker 2: Public Affairs report, and its author, chief economist Adam Crichton
26:45
Speaker 2: joins me out, great to see you, Adam, So tell
26:49
Speaker 2: us about your main finding about real wages and how
26:52
Speaker 2: they compared to thirty years ago.
26:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:54
Speaker 4: Well, basically, the.
26:54
Speaker 6: Top line finding is pretty staggering and scary really, and
26:58
Speaker 6: that's if you put dwelling prices house at apartment prices
27:02
Speaker 6: in the CPI, which of course are not in there.
27:05
Speaker 6: Many people don't realize that.
27:07
Speaker 1: That they're not in there. The good that most people
27:09
Speaker 1: in Australia.
27:10
Speaker 12: Would like to buy is not in the CPI.
27:12
Speaker 6: Now, if you do that at a relatively modest share,
27:16
Speaker 6: you realize that in twenty twenty five, real wages are
27:21
Speaker 6: zero point five percent lower than they were in nineteen
27:24
Speaker 6: ninety eight. And if the share is a mere fifteen
27:27
Speaker 6: percent and that's not a big share. So, for instance,
27:31
Speaker 6: most people who buy a home spending thirty forty percent
27:34
Speaker 6: of their disposable income on homeowner repayments, right, much.
27:37
Speaker 4: More than fifteen percent.
27:38
Speaker 6: But if you just make it fifteen percent, then real
27:42
Speaker 6: wages are about ten percent.
27:44
Speaker 4: Lower than they were in ninety ninety eight.
27:47
Speaker 6: Now, there's no period in Australian history, Sharry, that I
27:49
Speaker 6: can think of, and I did this work with Gareth
27:52
Speaker 6: Aired who's a well known economist. There's no period in
27:55
Speaker 6: Australian history over twenty eight years where real wages were
27:58
Speaker 6: ten percent lower the end than at the start.
28:01
Speaker 1: So you start to.
28:03
Speaker 6: Understand why people are angry, why they're turning to other
28:05
Speaker 6: parties while they're furious, why they hate official statistics, Because
28:09
Speaker 6: you'll have Jim Chalmer's out there saying, oh, real wages
28:12
Speaker 6: are growing.
28:13
Speaker 2: I was going to say that is what he would
28:16
Speaker 2: say is his big success story for your.
28:20
Speaker 6: Using That's right, but he's using the consumer price index
28:23
Speaker 6: to deflate the wage price index. To be a bit technical,
28:25
Speaker 6: but that consumer price index doesn't include stamp duty, doesn't
28:29
Speaker 6: include interest rates, it doesn't include passports, actually I found
28:33
Speaker 6: out today. But most importantly it does not include the
28:36
Speaker 6: cost of buying a home. It does not included the
28:39
Speaker 6: most important purchase of anyone's life. And for people out
28:44
Speaker 6: there who were saying, oh, well, that's just not how
28:46
Speaker 6: you do the CPI, well, frankly, from nineteen fifty three
28:48
Speaker 6: to nineteen eighty three, the American CPI, you know, the
28:51
Speaker 6: granddaddy of all CPI is the oldest in the world.
28:54
Speaker 4: You know, it included it included.
28:56
Speaker 6: House prices, okay, for thirty years until nine eighty three.
28:59
Speaker 6: And you know why they took them out in ninety three.
29:01
Speaker 6: They took them out because they were rising too fast
29:04
Speaker 6: and the politicians hated the fact that the CEDPI.
29:07
Speaker 2: Right, So they were in there before nineteen eighty three.
29:10
Speaker 6: Yes, in the United States, not in Australia, but in
29:12
Speaker 6: the US, most important economy in the world, they were there.
29:15
Speaker 6: And then in the late seventies inflation spiked. House prices
29:18
Speaker 6: in the US started spiking. The Carter administration freaked out
29:21
Speaker 6: because all of their payments were indexed to the CPI,
29:25
Speaker 6: and some very smart people got together and they decided,
29:27
Speaker 6: what's the theoretically pure way we can get rid of
29:30
Speaker 6: house prices? Right, And so they came up with a
29:32
Speaker 6: good one, and you know, it's that house prices are
29:34
Speaker 6: an asset, so therefore they should not be in the
29:38
Speaker 6: consumer price index and not a consumption. So that's been
29:41
Speaker 6: very neat and nice. But that's not the way you
29:43
Speaker 6: see prices. It's not the way anyone on the street
29:46
Speaker 6: sees prices. And so no wonder when you tell people,
29:49
Speaker 6: and I hear this all the time, I say, oh,
29:50
Speaker 6: inflation three point sevent percent, They're like, no, it's not
29:53
Speaker 6: it's a lot more than that. And that's because you know,
29:57
Speaker 6: subliminally in their head they're seeing what's up to house prices,
30:00
Speaker 6: and they have gone up five times since line on
30:03
Speaker 6: here Adam.
30:04
Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank's Assistant Governor of Financial Markets, Christopher Kent,
30:07
Speaker 2: has warned that we could be facing more rate hikes
30:11
Speaker 2: even if the economy slows because of the fuel crisis. Now,
30:14
Speaker 2: Adam explained this to me because I thought, having fuel rising,
30:18
Speaker 2: it has a similar effect to a rate rise anyway,
30:21
Speaker 2: so why would you need the double up.
30:23
Speaker 6: Well, the problem there is the RBA is freaking out
30:25
Speaker 6: about inflation expectations. If you look at all their models,
30:28
Speaker 6: their mathematical models, one of the most important terms is
30:31
Speaker 6: inflation expectations, so not actual inflation, that what people think
30:34
Speaker 6: inflation will be. I mean, the problem is if people
30:37
Speaker 6: think inflation is going to be five, then it has
30:39
Speaker 6: a tendency to be five. And the problem what you're
30:42
Speaker 6: seeing now is because it's four already and it's going
30:45
Speaker 6: to be five. If people start thinking, you know, if businesses,
30:50
Speaker 6: ordinary people start thinking it's going to be five, then
30:52
Speaker 6: they just automatically put up their prices by five. And
30:55
Speaker 6: that's very scary to the RBA. So the problem for
30:59
Speaker 6: them is they're going to have to crush this expectation.
31:01
Speaker 6: And it was interesting just this week Mishell Bullock said, well,
31:04
Speaker 6: if we have to have a recession, we're going to
31:05
Speaker 6: have to have one to get rid of inflation. And
31:07
Speaker 6: we're already in the case where the RBA, you know,
31:10
Speaker 6: is a bit of a joke I shouldn't say joke.
31:11
Speaker 6: But it's not very hard on inflation, right, I mean,
31:14
Speaker 6: it's very high now. They haven't lifted rates very much,
31:19
Speaker 6: so they could a lot more to try to get
31:21
Speaker 6: it down. But of course, as you know, they had
31:22
Speaker 6: this dual mandate where they're meant to look at employment
31:26
Speaker 6: as much as they look at inflation, which is impossible,
31:28
Speaker 6: some would say.
31:28
Speaker 4: But anyway, they're in.
31:30
Speaker 6: A real pondary because you know, fuel prices in theory
31:33
Speaker 6: are not the Australian gum it's fault.
31:35
Speaker 12: They're not the Reserve Bank's fault.
31:36
Speaker 1: Right, It's a global problem.
31:38
Speaker 2: But that's the thing, Adam, I mean, we are if
31:40
Speaker 2: we do go into a recession. Inflation was already high
31:43
Speaker 2: before the war. But of course the war will be
31:46
Speaker 2: blamed for it. It'll be global factors. So there you
31:48
Speaker 2: go to get out of jail free card, perhaps, Adam Crt, Well,
31:52
Speaker 2: look at yeah, very quickly.
31:54
Speaker 6: Well, look, I was just going to say, of course,
31:56
Speaker 6: if there's a real recession, you know what they're going
31:58
Speaker 6: to do with rates put them to zero. So at
32:00
Speaker 6: the it's really bad, you can count on them going
32:03
Speaker 6: to zero.
32:03
Speaker 1: That's what they always do.
32:05
Speaker 2: Great to have you, and well done in your new report.
32:09
Speaker 2: Now still to come, fears grow across the West that
32:12
Speaker 2: Iranian sleeper cells have been activated. An intelligence officer would
32:16
Speaker 2: tell us more plus Meta and YouTube have been found
32:20
Speaker 2: liable for negligence because of their addictive social media that's
32:25
Speaker 2: after the break in a landmark US case overnight a
32:32
Speaker 2: jury has found Meta and Google owned YouTube are liable
32:36
Speaker 2: after claims addictive features like infinite scroll, AutoPlay and constant
32:41
Speaker 2: notifications harmed a young user worsened her mental health. Well
32:47
Speaker 2: nearly a decade ago, Darren Davidson at The Australian exposed
32:51
Speaker 2: Facebook's own internal documents that showed it could track when
32:54
Speaker 2: teenagers felt worthless, insecure, stressed and like a failure and
32:59
Speaker 2: then sell that insight to advertisers. And he went on
33:02
Speaker 2: to detail how the company scrambled to kill the story,
33:05
Speaker 2: smear him and publicly deny what senior at executives knew,
33:10
Speaker 2: and Darren Davidson, who's now the managing editor at The Australian,
33:13
Speaker 2: joins me, Darren, thanks so much for your time. So
33:16
Speaker 2: tell us the significance first of this jury verdict overnight.
33:20
Speaker 2: What were Meta and YouTube found guilty of when it
33:24
Speaker 2: came to those addictive behaviors.
33:28
Speaker 17: So, as you said at the top of the program,
33:29
Speaker 17: this is a major, major turning point. Then basically they're
33:32
Speaker 17: not buying anymore juries, they're not buying anymore the idea
33:35
Speaker 17: that the neutral platform defense, and that's really significant because
33:40
Speaker 17: they're treating these products as designed systems. You know, we're
33:45
Speaker 17: foreseeable harm to children, and looking at the rulings right
33:50
Speaker 17: here that the language really matters, you know, malice, oppression,
33:54
Speaker 17: or fraud, so that goes to intent, it's not by accident.
33:58
Speaker 17: So that for those reasons, these are really significant, really
34:03
Speaker 17: significant developments and something that's been bring for a long
34:06
Speaker 17: long time. And I think we may see now global
34:10
Speaker 17: wave of litigation following these two decisions in the US,
34:15
Speaker 17: and we'll probably see investors, insurance companies and others were
34:18
Speaker 17: at other stakeholders pricing in the impact of these two decisions.
34:24
Speaker 2: The court cases have also exposed a lot of internal
34:29
Speaker 2: documents and how the social media companies hook people in.
34:33
Speaker 2: And this particular victim who's now twenty, she said she
34:37
Speaker 2: was six when she started using YouTube, So a bit
34:40
Speaker 2: of a warning for all parents out there whose kids
34:42
Speaker 2: run off with the YouTube on the phone. And she
34:45
Speaker 2: spoke about or her lawyers argue the addictive design features,
34:50
Speaker 2: you know, are designed to hook young users. The infinite
34:53
Speaker 2: nature feeds, the endless supply of content. I mean, this
34:58
Speaker 2: really exposes them.
35:01
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's the thing. And as you've said, like kids
35:03
Speaker 17: can't give consent to these platforms, you've got adult grade,
35:07
Speaker 17: highly sophisticated, ruthless technology, persuasion systems aimed at developing very
35:13
Speaker 17: young brains. We've both got young kids, and we know
35:17
Speaker 17: that they're extremely susceptible to this kind of messaging and
35:22
Speaker 17: those very powerful algorithms. And I think the bottom line
35:26
Speaker 17: is if you've got technology that is so sophisticated that
35:30
Speaker 17: you can capture attention in this way that you can
35:33
Speaker 17: also build in, not just opt in guardrails to actually
35:37
Speaker 17: prevent young children being sucked in by these very powerful algorithms.
35:43
Speaker 2: I mean, we're reflecting on your coverage about ten years ago.
35:46
Speaker 2: I mean, how closely does this verdict track with what
35:49
Speaker 2: you uncovered?
35:52
Speaker 17: Tracks extremely closely, And reading those rulings today, actually I've
35:57
Speaker 17: obviously reminded of those stories that we did many years
35:59
Speaker 17: ago at The Australian, and you know, we knew at
36:02
Speaker 17: the time they were impactful, quite profound in what we
36:06
Speaker 17: had uncovered. In some we got hold of some confidential
36:09
Speaker 17: documents that were handed to me by a source. I
36:12
Speaker 17: was chasing a kind of adjacent story, but not that story,
36:16
Speaker 17: and I was astonished at the time when I got
36:18
Speaker 17: hold of these documents to find buried at the back
36:21
Speaker 17: of them sales pitches to major banks and financial institutions,
36:29
Speaker 17: boasting that Facebook had technology that could target children, young
36:34
Speaker 17: children when they were feeling worthless, vulnerable and insecure and worthless.
36:38
Speaker 17: Is a really interesting that was one of the emotional triggers.
36:42
Speaker 17: And it's interesting because a few years later, very sadly,
36:46
Speaker 17: a British teenager called Molly took her own life and
36:50
Speaker 17: it turned out that she was addicted to social media,
36:52
Speaker 17: a very heavy user of some of the meta platforms,
36:55
Speaker 17: and one of the Instagram accounts that she had engaged
36:58
Speaker 17: with and saved hosts from was actually called feeling worthless.
37:03
Speaker 17: I'm worthless was one of the emotional triggers that Facebook
37:06
Speaker 17: said he could actually isolate.
37:08
Speaker 2: It is terrible and so sad, so incredible reporting back then,
37:13
Speaker 2: and this is a very significant case now, Darren, thanks
37:16
Speaker 2: for joining us.
37:18
Speaker 17: Thanks Harry.
37:20
Speaker 2: Now still to come, what Australia should have done to
37:23
Speaker 2: avoid this fuel crisis, plus how Iranian sleeper cells are
37:27
Speaker 2: believed to be activating, and how much longer will the
37:30
Speaker 2: war go on? An intelligence officer would join me next,
37:37
Speaker 2: welcome back. Well. Five eyes intelligence agencies are worried that
37:41
Speaker 2: Iranian sleeper cells have already been activated across the West.
37:45
Speaker 2: Michael McManus, a research director for a British think tank,
37:49
Speaker 2: has told The Financial Review that Iran appeared to be
37:51
Speaker 2: activating its cells in Western countries. Mcmcmanus said, in the
37:57
Speaker 2: wake of the US and Israel commencing air strikes on
37:59
Speaker 2: a run on February twenty eight, Persian language number stations
38:04
Speaker 2: had started broadcasting on shortwave radios across Europe. The station's
38:09
Speaker 2: broadcast seemingly random numbers as codes to issue orders to
38:14
Speaker 2: spies and activate sleeper cells. It's remarkable if that's true.
38:20
Speaker 2: And joining me now, former Israeli military intelligence Lieutenant Colonel
38:24
Speaker 2: Ilan Lotchov, an expert on combating terror financing ilin, thank
38:28
Speaker 2: you very much for joining us. So can you explain
38:31
Speaker 2: to us these numbers? What could these codes mean?
38:37
Speaker 4: So thank you for having me Aria.
38:39
Speaker 18: I believe that biggest numbers in these codes are instructions
38:46
Speaker 18: that have been sent by the IRGC from Iran to
38:53
Speaker 18: these different cells. Could be I cells, it could be
39:00
Speaker 18: cells of his bab. Now we know that in ninety
39:06
Speaker 18: two and ninety four these cells combined by RGC and
39:12
Speaker 18: Chris Bala, they carried out attacks in Argentina. In these attacks,
39:21
Speaker 18: more than one hundred Israelis and Argentinians were killed. So
39:28
Speaker 18: these codes, it's actually very troubling and I'm sure that
39:35
Speaker 18: this is an asset that the Iranians would what would
39:38
Speaker 18: really like to use as a strategic tool to try
39:44
Speaker 18: and get maybe the negotiations on their side or to
39:50
Speaker 18: affect Drum.
39:52
Speaker 2: And I know that this is a live concern in
39:55
Speaker 2: Australia at the moment. Iranian slaper Cells, yours specialist on
40:01
Speaker 2: terror financing and you've worked in very elite units in
40:05
Speaker 2: Israeli intelligence. Can you explain to us how does Iran
40:10
Speaker 2: finance terrorism across the West, even in places like Australia.
40:17
Speaker 18: Yes, well, what Iran does Actually they have taken the
40:24
Speaker 18: funds of Iranians in nineteen seventy nine that left Iran
40:31
Speaker 18: and they made it the capital of Hamenaid. So Haminai
40:37
Speaker 18: was killed a month ago and now Muddava owns those assets.
40:45
Speaker 18: Now we're talking about assets that are more than two
40:49
Speaker 18: hundred billion dollars and they are personally the family of Hamenaid.
41:00
Speaker 18: And what happened in twenty fifteen when Obama stop the
41:06
Speaker 18: sanctions on.
41:09
Speaker 4: Iran.
41:10
Speaker 18: These Iranians decided to push as money, as much money
41:17
Speaker 18: as they could outside of Iran because they said, this time,
41:23
Speaker 18: next time there'll be sanctions. When we go on with
41:26
Speaker 18: our nuclear problem, we'll have funds abroad, and with these
41:31
Speaker 18: funds we can use whatever we need and we'll be
41:34
Speaker 18: in a much better situation. So these funds have been
41:39
Speaker 18: used for nuclear power, the building, for assets being bought abroad,
41:47
Speaker 18: we could seek that much dabahaminad.
41:52
Speaker 2: We need sorry to interrupt there, but when you say
41:54
Speaker 2: assets being bought abroad, do you mean buildings or do
41:59
Speaker 2: you mean agents?
42:02
Speaker 4: I mean buildings, Yeah, I mean that's what we know of.
42:06
Speaker 4: That's what we know of. But the amount of money
42:10
Speaker 4: that has been.
42:12
Speaker 18: Sent outside of Iran, it's amount of money that can
42:18
Speaker 18: buy agents, that can buy infrastructures. We could see that
42:24
Speaker 18: last the last two weeks. There was a building with
42:29
Speaker 18: two flats that was bought in London that from this
42:35
Speaker 18: flat you could see the Israeli embassy. This flat is
42:41
Speaker 18: was bought by a guy called Annasali.
42:44
Speaker 4: That he is the he's the face of Mushavaham in London.
42:52
Speaker 2: So interesting, and that's what you did for you know,
42:55
Speaker 2: tracking the financing. Obviously that is far more difficult now
42:58
Speaker 2: because a lot of the Iranian agents are using cryptocurrencies
43:04
Speaker 2: and other encrypted forms of money transfer, so it makes
43:08
Speaker 2: it very difficult, more difficult, not impossible. Just finally, I'm
43:13
Speaker 2: going to get to the breaking news tonight in Israeli
43:15
Speaker 2: official has said that the man responsible for the Strait
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Speaker 2: of Hormuz chokehold this is the head of the Islamic
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Speaker 2: Revolutionary Guard CORN Navy, Ali Reza Tangsiri. He's reportedly been
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Speaker 2: killed in a strike. So no comment yet from Iran,
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Speaker 2: no official comment yet from Israel. But if this is true,
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Speaker 2: this would be significant. It could affect the situation in
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Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 18: Zlan Well, actually, if you take the leadership of Iran,
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Speaker 18: the last month, the Israeli Air Force has taken out
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Speaker 18: dozens of their leadership. So I do think that he
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Speaker 18: is very important because his part is part of the
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Speaker 18: IRGC of the navy, and I think it's very important
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Speaker 18: because what I see now is that in the island
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Speaker 18: of how that's the island that they're trying to get
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Speaker 18: all their arms and try to make it as a fortress.
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Speaker 18: So troops cannot be there. So I do think that
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Speaker 18: it has a tactical influence because it will it will
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Speaker 18: affect the morale of those soldiers. But I do think
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Speaker 18: that when you go to war, you have air force,
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Speaker 18: navy and military and that has to be something that's
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Speaker 18: taken into consideration.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, but out of time, Elan, really appreciate
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Speaker 2: your time. Thank you very much for joining us. Fascinating
44:59
Speaker 2: insights all right, still to come. What the fuel crisis
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Speaker 2: has exposed about Australia's vulnerabilities. An expert would join me
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Speaker 2: after the break, welcome back. Well, Australia's fuel crisis has
45:13
Speaker 2: exposed just how limited our stockpiles are and the heavy
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Speaker 2: reliance on imported diesel and other fuels as well.
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Speaker 19: Well.
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Speaker 2: One Nation's Barnaby Joyce today said he's been saying this
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Speaker 2: for a couple of days now that it means we
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Speaker 2: should be having fuel rationing already here he is.
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Speaker 11: Therefore, you should be having rationing now, and you should
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Speaker 11: be brave enough to say to the Australian people, Look,
45:37
Speaker 11: you're not going to like this, but you're going to
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Speaker 11: appreciate A plan is better than panic, and panic is
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Speaker 11: where we're going.
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Speaker 2: And As I mentioned earlier in the Australian Tonight, there's
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Speaker 2: the report that on Sydney's Northern Beaches, a Shell branded
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Speaker 2: Viva service station has told customers they can't buy more
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Speaker 2: than fifty liters per vehicle due to supply restrictions and
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Speaker 2: they've banned the feeling of cans are external tanks now
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Speaker 2: that sign site is operated by an independent retailer. And
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Speaker 2: we saw today the New South Wales Premier Chris Minn
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Speaker 2: express concern that these independent retailers, particularly in regional areas,
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Speaker 2: are where the fuel supply is not getting to and
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Speaker 2: he spoke about the distribution issues. Well, energy expert Tony
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Speaker 2: Wood says the answer is now planning for fuel security
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Speaker 2: and he joins me, Now, Tony, thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for your time. Do you think what the premier says
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Speaker 2: is right that this is a distribution issue not a
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Speaker 2: supply issue at the moment, Well so.
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Speaker 1: Far it is because we have very long supply chains
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Speaker 1: in this country, and not only for.
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Speaker 19: The import terminals, the distribution facilities between them and regional
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Speaker 19: and rural Australians. Big truck companies and others have large
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Speaker 19: on site fuel storages and they're always four and when
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Speaker 19: something like this looks like it's going to happen and
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Speaker 19: get worse, prices going to go up, maybe we'll have shortages,
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Speaker 19: and the government says, don't panic. The first thing everybody
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Speaker 19: knows is panic, of course, and they go and fill
47:06
Speaker 19: up all these things. So what's happened has that out
47:09
Speaker 19: that entire long supply chain has been gradually been filled
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Speaker 19: up with petrol. Now we haven't been driving anymore, we
47:16
Speaker 19: haven't actually been using any more fuel. What we've been
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Speaker 19: doing is putting all this fuel into those facilities, filling
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Speaker 19: them all up. But that means we've drained its system
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Speaker 19: in other places, and so that's why you're seeing these
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Speaker 19: localized problems with the sort of thing you've been talking
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Speaker 19: about the premieer was talking about, and we're seeing regularly
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Speaker 19: across regional Australia in particular. This also explains why that's
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Speaker 19: so far at the national level it isn't actually a
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Speaker 19: major problem. We've actually got all the fuel we need,
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Speaker 19: All the fuel is still coming into Australia and we
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Speaker 19: haven't got yet a shortage of supply.
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Speaker 1: So it's a very unusual circumstance.
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Speaker 19: It happens i don't think we should necessarily blame people
47:53
Speaker 19: for taking that action, because you understand why they have.
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Speaker 1: But that's what's leading what has led so.
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Speaker 19: Far to the problems we're seen with local shortages supply
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Speaker 19: and even local prohibititions being placed on people filling their
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Speaker 19: tanks or whatever they want to fill with petrol and diesel.
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Speaker 2: Now you've written a piece in the fin Review, and
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Speaker 2: you know you're talking about how the head of the
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Speaker 2: IEA has suggested this could be as bad as the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that is? I mean, this is what
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Speaker 2: people are worried about. Did you think it could get
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Speaker 2: to that point where we can't afford to leave the
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Speaker 2: house unless it's essential.
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Speaker 19: I think that what's necessary here is that we recognize
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Speaker 19: that this is a serious problem if it gets much worse,
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Speaker 19: because we've already seen the early signs that some of
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Speaker 19: the suppliers of our petrol and diesel and aviation fuel
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Speaker 19: into this country themselves are under pressure and we are
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Speaker 19: seeing potential shortages because companies like Singapore, we get fifty
48:48
Speaker 19: percent of our fuel petrol from Singapore, they themselves get
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Speaker 19: their crude all from somewhere else. So that's a problem, right,
48:55
Speaker 19: so you can see why people are getting very uncomfortable
48:57
Speaker 19: about this and you can see why we need to
48:59
Speaker 19: be thinking most strategically now whether we need fuel rationing.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 19: The Government has the legislative powers, if necessary, to declare
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Speaker 19: a fuel emergency, that would need the record, that would
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Speaker 19: need to be authorized with the Governor General on the
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Speaker 19: advice of Minister Bowen. We'll see what that happens, and
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Speaker 19: so far it's not been necessary. But if shortage is
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Speaker 19: real shortages, real shortage of supplied to emerge, then of
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Speaker 19: course that's what happened. And it's important now that the government.
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Speaker 19: Where I do agree with Barnaby Joyce is that the
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Speaker 19: government needs to be very clear. This is why we
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Speaker 19: have not yet resorted to fuel rationing, this is how
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Speaker 19: we might have to and this is what we're planning.
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Speaker 1: So Australians you understand that we can.
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Speaker 2: Understand agree a bit of transparency wouldn't go as straight.
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Speaker 2: Tony would appreciate your time, Thank you, and don't miss
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Speaker 2: Chris Willman's special program on Australia's fuel crisis seven thirty
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Speaker 2: pm on Sunday on Sky News. And that's it from me.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you Monday eight and here's Paul Murray