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ITB Special: Cosell Gives Tape Breakdown Of Potential Fit for Eagles and Other Teams OC Openings · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. It's Adam Kaplan here for Inside the Birds.
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Speaker 1: And that man you see to my left in zoom
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Speaker 1: Land is Greg co self from NFL. And it's Vault,
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Speaker 1: by the way, wearing a button down shirt. Now, Greg,
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Speaker 1: you know you don't need to get dressed up for
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Speaker 1: the show. You know that. Look at me.
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Speaker 2: Somebody needs to bring some class to the operation.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, yeah, apparently I was in the memo that most
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Speaker 1: are sent out. But so on today's show, because we've
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Speaker 1: had Greg nine head coaching changes, right, we have eight
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Speaker 1: if you filled. John Harball's going to be the Giants
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Speaker 1: head coach. But we know the Eagles need their coordinator.
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Speaker 1: They let Kevin Mitula go out of that role. But
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Speaker 1: the bottom line is, there are only so many good
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Speaker 1: ones to go around, and let's talk about the ones
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Speaker 1: we know of called plays before who are going to
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Speaker 1: be in demand. And let's get started with a guy
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Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of never met Todd Monkin,
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Speaker 1: but this guy's pretty good. What are your thoughts on
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Speaker 1: Todd Mankin's scheme? Well, let me just say one thing
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Speaker 1: as far as head coaching.
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Speaker 2: To me, the balance for an organization is, are you
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Speaker 2: looking for a guy who's a CEO type. Obviously that's
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Speaker 2: what John Harball is. I'm not suggesting he doesn't know
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Speaker 2: anything about offens or defense, but clearly he's a CEO
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Speaker 2: type and be very successful in that role versus someone
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Speaker 2: who's a great play caller, whether with a great scheme,
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Speaker 2: whether it be offense or defense. Because automatically those guys
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Speaker 2: are not necessarily great head coaches. Sometimes they are. I mean,
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Speaker 2: look at Mike McDonald in Seattle. He's turned out to
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Speaker 2: be a terrific head coach. But it doesn't always work.
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Speaker 2: As you know, you've been doing this a long time,
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Speaker 2: just like I have. Just because someone might be able
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Speaker 2: to put together a great outfensive scheme and call plays
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Speaker 2: doesn't automatically mean they're a great head coach. So, you know,
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Speaker 2: organizations have to really try to find that balance, you know,
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Speaker 2: because it's very easy to look at a guy and say, man,
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Speaker 2: that guy's a great play caller. That's a whole different
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Speaker 2: deal than being a head lead.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kase shaw MCA is obviously brilliant, right. He was
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Speaker 1: thirty one thirty two when he became a head coach,
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Speaker 1: which was just seen as are you serious? And obviously
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Speaker 1: you got to give Kevin Demoff for the Rams and
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Speaker 1: uh kranky stan krounky credit. I mean, it's just an
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Speaker 1: unbelievable hind and you never know, really know, like and
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Speaker 1: you don't know that thing good.
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Speaker 2: Now I was gonna say you don't know. You can
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Speaker 2: obviously you go through a process in which you feel
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Speaker 2: that you have a very good idea, but you don't know.
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Speaker 2: And look, as you know, whether it's players or coaches,
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Speaker 2: if things are going well, everything's wonderful. It's what happens
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Speaker 2: when things aren't going well, and that invariably happens during
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Speaker 2: the NFL season.
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Speaker 1: All right, So the guy who's going to bring up
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Speaker 1: either time you.
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Speaker 2: Mentioned if you want to go back to him, well will.
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Speaker 1: But one thing I do want to mention on your
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Speaker 1: point about it's kind of like I've always said, North Turner,
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Speaker 1: who is brilliant right as a coordinator, just legendary love norv.
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Speaker 1: But not everyone is a successful head coach. It's some success,
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Speaker 1: but someone happened with the Raiders and you got fired some.
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Speaker 1: But the line is, each situation is different and the
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Speaker 1: circumstances are different. So that brings us to Todd Monkin.
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Speaker 1: Todd Monkin Greg everywhere he's been, like the work he
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Speaker 1: did with Lamar Jackson will get to a new tape study. Sure,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher brought this up, but I totally forgot when
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Speaker 1: Ry Fitzpatrick went off. He had a great three quarters
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Speaker 1: of a season for the Buccaneers. Monkett and with the
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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Bucks was his OC under Derg Cutter. So
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Speaker 1: let's talk about your You're watching Todd Monkin and his
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Speaker 1: work over the years.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the things that you like
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Speaker 2: about Todd Monkin is he's shown that he can deal
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Speaker 2: with a lot of different personnel packages and different concepts
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Speaker 2: based on those different personnel packages. So he's not limited.
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Speaker 2: In other words, you don't say that's a Todd Monkin
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Speaker 2: offense and that's it. You know, he's shown he can
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Speaker 2: do a lot of different things. Look what he's done
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Speaker 2: in Baltimore or where he ended up going back because Lamar
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Speaker 2: was clearly comfortable with this where he went back to
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Speaker 2: playing a lot out of twenty one personnel and twenty
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Speaker 2: two personnel and playing Patrick Ricard. But yet he he's
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Speaker 2: also very very good out of eleven personnel with three
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Speaker 2: wide receivers. So you know, there's not just one thing
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Speaker 2: you say. When you look at Todd Monkin, he can
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Speaker 2: mix and match and be very effective. So he has
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Speaker 2: an expansive thought process as far as the use of personnel,
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Speaker 2: the use of formations, the use of motion. There's a
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Speaker 2: lot there that allows him to be expansive in how
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Speaker 2: he goes about attacking modern day NFL defenses.
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Speaker 1: So, Greg, on that point, there's a very good chance
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Speaker 1: he goes with John Harball to the Giants. Okay, and
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Speaker 1: we know Giant fans are watching. This shows more about
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Speaker 1: the spectrum of all the opening. So Lick Davis coming
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Speaker 1: back from the ACL you know about Slayton and other talent,
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Speaker 1: and with Jackson Dart, we got to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: You've seen his tape a lot. How do you think
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Speaker 1: market to fit in here?
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Speaker 2: I think it fits well. You know, Dark to me
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Speaker 2: is a quarterback and obviously, well we hope Scativa will
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Speaker 2: be back. You know, who knows that it was a
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Speaker 2: bad injury, but let's assume he's back. You know, they're
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Speaker 2: a team that can line up in different personnel packages
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Speaker 2: and be effective in all of them. They can have
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Speaker 2: a strong inside run game with scatabow they can line
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Speaker 2: up with three wide receivers. They've got tight ends. They've
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Speaker 2: got And again I don't know who's a free agent
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Speaker 2: and who's not. You know that better than I, So
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Speaker 2: I'm only speaking about the players that were there this year.
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Speaker 2: You know, maybe some guys a free agent and won't
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Speaker 2: be there. But all I'm saying is, assuming Bellinger and
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Speaker 2: Deo Johnson are there, they can line up in twelve
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Speaker 2: personnel with two tight ends. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: pieces there for the giants that fit. How Todd Monkin
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Speaker 2: with his multiple concepts, can run an offense, and you know,
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Speaker 2: you certainly want to put Dart in the gun and
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Speaker 2: allow him to use his running ability. Maybe not as
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Speaker 2: much as he did this year, but I mean it's
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Speaker 2: certainly a factor as you put together an offensive scheme.
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Speaker 2: And of course he's very much used to that from
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Speaker 2: playing it at Ole Miss under Lane Kiffin. So you know,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of pieces in place that would allow
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Speaker 2: Todd Monkin to run that expansive offense that I mentioned.
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Speaker 1: Another guy, now, he's got head coaching interviews, he's got
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Speaker 1: teams are interested in him as at OC. That would
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Speaker 1: be Mike McDaniel, the former Dolphins head coach. So if
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Speaker 1: he gets hired as an OC, greg, what can you expect?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know Mike McDaniel at all? I know
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Speaker 2: he's brilliant.
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Speaker 1: No, he's very I find I've been around him at
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Speaker 1: like owner's meetings. He's he's different. He's very friendly, he's
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Speaker 1: very smart, good.
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Speaker 2: I had an opportunity at an event a number of
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Speaker 2: years ago to really spend meaningful time with him and
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Speaker 2: talk to him. The guys are savant. I mean, you
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Speaker 2: talk to him, it's like talking you know. He talks
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Speaker 2: about the game like he's splitting the at him. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's one of those guys you know, and and and
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Speaker 2: you try to keep up. It's like, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: you know. And and normally when I talk to coaches,
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Speaker 2: I know exactly what they're talking about, even when they
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Speaker 2: go into the weeds. With him, I felt like I
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Speaker 2: needed a glossary. I mean it was it was crazy.
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Speaker 2: And he's such a nice guy, that's the thing. He's
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Speaker 2: such a nice guy. But yeah, but the point is,
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Speaker 2: is the big question to me with Mike McDaniel, because
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Speaker 2: he's so much from the Shanahan tree, and even in
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Speaker 2: Miami was essentially a version of the Shanahan tree. And
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Speaker 2: again I'm sure he did things that weren't you know,
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Speaker 2: if you're not there, you don't know exactly all the
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Speaker 2: tweaks and all that. But for the most part, he
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Speaker 2: ran because of the quarterback in Miami. He essentially ran
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Speaker 2: a timing rhythm pass game with a very multiple run game,
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Speaker 2: and he is known as the run game guy, you know.
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Speaker 2: So the question is, depending on where he goes, does
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Speaker 2: he have to run that offense or because he's so
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Speaker 2: intelligent as he through the years, you know, really studied
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Speaker 2: other offenses and depending on you know, who the quarterback is,
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Speaker 2: because not every quarterback can run that style of offense.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's a specific style of offense that is
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Speaker 2: very timing rhythm based in the past game, some quarterbacks
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Speaker 2: can do that, as Tua that was his game. That's
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously when you're with Shanahan, we know Purdy
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Speaker 2: can do that. There's certain guys who can do it,
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Speaker 2: but not everybody can. So the question with Mike mcdan
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Speaker 2: know is does he has he gone beyond that in
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Speaker 2: just his study as he's you know, in in off seasons,
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Speaker 2: and if he goes somewhere where the quarterback is not
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Speaker 2: exactly that guy. And I'm not saying he's going to
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Speaker 2: be the Eagles coordinator, but let's assume that that happened.
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Speaker 2: You know, Jalen Hurts is not exactly that guy. He
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Speaker 2: has his own set of his own skill set trades,
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Speaker 2: but he's not that guy. So now that you run,
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Speaker 2: you have to run a different pass game.
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Speaker 1: You know, with two, it's interesting you talked about it
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Speaker 1: that he might have been a good fit, but when
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Speaker 1: Two would hold out of the ball and not be
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Speaker 1: sure he get hit, like that was the issue with two,
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Speaker 1: and he that's why he got bench. He's just quick, quick, quick, you.
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Speaker 2: Got And also he was not a late in the
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Speaker 2: down quarterback like if he couldn't get it out with time.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Two at his best was boy, hit that back.
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Speaker 2: Football comes out minding rhythm, really precise ball location. But
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Speaker 2: as defenses started to get a better feel for what
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Speaker 2: he could do and what he couldn't do, some of
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Speaker 2: those things got taken away and then two it gets stuck.
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Speaker 2: So you know, we'll see. But he's But the one
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Speaker 2: thing about Mike McDaniel is he truly is brilliant.
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Speaker 1: The next guy I want to talk about. I've been
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Speaker 1: a fan of as a play caller. It's not so
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Speaker 1: much as a head coach, but a guy that's going
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Speaker 1: to be in the man. I know some head coach
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Speaker 1: head coaching candidates have interested in Brian Daballs being their
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Speaker 1: potential offense coordinator. Now today Friday, he's gonna interview with
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Speaker 1: the Titans for their head coaching job. But let's just
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Speaker 1: talk about Brian dab And I know the Eagles have interest.
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Speaker 1: Several teams will probably have interested in him. God's a
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Speaker 1: good coach, but you've watched his offense, whether the Giants,
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Speaker 1: he's been in other places college football where you thought
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Speaker 1: in Brian Dables a play caller.
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Speaker 2: Brian Nables a fascinating guy to me. And I don't
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Speaker 2: know Brian Dable, but obviously he did an unbelievable job
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Speaker 2: getting Josh Allen's career started. Because, as we all know,
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Speaker 2: when Josh Allen came into the league, and yes he
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Speaker 2: was a high pick, and certainly everybody saw just the
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Speaker 2: physical trades, but he was just a wild stallion and
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Speaker 2: there were a lot of questions as to whether he
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Speaker 2: could ever become a good player because you know, at
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Speaker 2: the time he came in the league. When he threw
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Speaker 2: the ball, you know, for a lot of people, it
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Speaker 2: seemed like no one knew where it was going. And
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Speaker 2: obviously that's all changed. We don't need a big discussion
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Speaker 2: of Josh Allen, but the point is he was there
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Speaker 2: and he coached Josh Allen, and as you well know,
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Speaker 2: he coached him hard. You know, it was not a
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Speaker 2: case of hey, you're wonderful, let's you know, let's sing
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Speaker 2: come by. Ah. He coached him hard, and Josh Allen
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Speaker 2: was the kind of player you know, at that age
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Speaker 2: certainly and maybe even to this day, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: you know, we're not there that Josh was receptive to it,
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Speaker 2: and he really turned him with his scheme and into
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Speaker 2: a really good player. And I thought his scheme really
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Speaker 2: fit Josh well because there was a lot of intermediate
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Speaker 2: and vertical route concepts that Brian Dable really leaned on.
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Speaker 2: And we know Josh Allen can do that, you know,
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Speaker 2: because he can do anything really just with his pure
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Speaker 2: physical traits. You know, it's funny you mentioned Tennessee, and
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Speaker 2: who knows what Tennessee is going to do. But I
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Speaker 2: personally think that his style would fit Cam Ward, because
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Speaker 2: I think cam Ward is more like that than let's
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Speaker 2: say a Mike McDaniel, you know. So I don't know
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Speaker 2: where it goes, you know, I certainly don't have any
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Speaker 2: inside information, but I think Dable's a really interesting guy
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Speaker 2: in terms of the kind of offense that that I
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Speaker 2: think he'd ultimately like to run, you know. And again,
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Speaker 2: he's been coaching a long time, He's been around a
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Speaker 2: lot of people. He's he had stints with Nick Saban,
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Speaker 2: you know, he you know, he's a guy that's that's
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Speaker 2: This is not his first rodeo either, you know. A
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Speaker 2: tough situation with the Giants because they simply did not
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Speaker 2: have an offensive line at all, and really they had
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Speaker 2: no run, you know. I mean they had Barkley, but
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Speaker 2: Barkley was hurt a lot, so he was just missing
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Speaker 2: people and you know, and and it was just a
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Speaker 2: really hard situation. So we'll see, you know. But I
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Speaker 2: actually like the things he does in the past game.
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Speaker 1: The next guy I want to talk about now he's
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Speaker 1: no longer with washing this Cliff Kingsbury. I know I
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Speaker 1: was told that ham Dan Quinn simply did not see
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Speaker 1: eye on the structure of the offense, but I thought
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Speaker 1: he did a great job. They rather the ball better
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Speaker 1: than I expected. Let's see wherever Cliff Kingsbury go goes.
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Speaker 1: I know he's definitely the man as an offense coordinator.
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Speaker 1: He's also getting to some head coaching looks, but what
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Speaker 1: do you think of his play call?
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Speaker 2: And so Kingsbury is one of those guys. And again
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Speaker 2: we can't. I can't speak to the personal relationship between
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Speaker 2: Kenny Quinn and Kingsbury. Yeah, either, I'm not. I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: go there anyway, That's not what I do, yep. But
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Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting how this stuff plays out over
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Speaker 2: the course of time. A year ago with Jade and Daniels,
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Speaker 2: he was a genius, you know, this year and obviously
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Speaker 2: Daniels was hurt. But obviously the offense even when Daniels played,
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Speaker 2: wasn't as good anywhere near as good as it was
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Speaker 2: a year ago. And I'm not trying to be funny,
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Speaker 2: but the way you hear people talk about him, he
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Speaker 2: must have had all the bottomy in the off season
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Speaker 2: because he became an idiot.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: I always find those kinds of conversations fascinating. You know,
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Speaker 2: guy's a genius one year and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Know anything, coach, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you know, one of the things
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Speaker 2: that's always impressed me about Cliff Kingsbury is he certainly
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Speaker 2: came from college as an air raid guy, spread offense.
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Speaker 2: He played in it because I believe he played for
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Speaker 2: Mike Leech so and you know, that was his background.
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Speaker 2: That's that's what he knew. But then he got to
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Speaker 2: Arizona didn't have wide receivers and he ended up playing
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Speaker 2: a lot with two tight ends, three tight ends. So
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Speaker 2: there was a clear willingness to play to what his
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Speaker 2: personnel was as opposed to saying this is my system
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Speaker 2: and we're just going to run my system. Now, I'm
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Speaker 2: sure there's more to it. And you know, I can't
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Speaker 2: speak for whether he's a good head coach bad head coach.
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Speaker 2: I certainly don't. You know, we weren't there in Washington
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Speaker 2: this year, but they had a ton of injuries. Obviously
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Speaker 2: they didn't really have wide receivers either, you know, because
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Speaker 2: McLaurin missed a lot of time. So but I remember
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Speaker 2: always thinking as I watched tape of Arizona, and you know,
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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray has his own set of issues which are
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Speaker 2: not relevant to this conversation. But I always thought that
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Speaker 2: boy Kingsbury, I just and again he doesn't need me
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Speaker 2: to say I'm impressed. I mean, who am I I'm
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Speaker 2: just some guy talking football. But the point is is
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Speaker 2: I always thought that Kingsbury did a really nice job
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Speaker 2: with playing to what his personnel was as opposed to
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Speaker 2: being wedded to a system.
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Speaker 1: So I remember, Greg, you and I have this converse.
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Speaker 1: It had to be like five years ago something like that,
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Speaker 1: where you know, he came in a lot of twelve
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Speaker 1: person excuse me, a lot eleven personnel, maybe even some ten.
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Speaker 1: And then I remember your pointing out, Hey, guess what,
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Speaker 1: he's now running a lot of twelve. Yeah, that's how
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Speaker 1: you evolved as a head coach. Is a play calling.
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Speaker 1: At some point you got to graduate to something else,
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Speaker 1: like you have to show that you could do other things.
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Speaker 1: And I thought that was Billen kings back because with
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Speaker 1: the air raid, you Titans typically don't get evolved.
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Speaker 2: No, And look, I know every year that that he
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Speaker 2: was a head coach, it seemed that they didn't play well.
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Speaker 2: He sort of mid November on and I don't know
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Speaker 2: what that means. We're not there, but a lot of people,
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Speaker 2: you know, hold that against him as a potential head
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Speaker 2: coach candidate because that, hey, look, that's the reality. They
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Speaker 2: lost games down the stretch and we don't know the
14:43
Speaker 2: reason why, Adam, you and I were not there. But
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure that that's going to be if
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Speaker 2: you're interviewing him for a head coach. I would imagine
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Speaker 2: that would come up in conversation as to hey, you
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Speaker 2: played didn't one year? They started like seven and one
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Speaker 2: or eight and one, or they were phenomenal in Arizona,
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Speaker 2: I remember early and then they hit that skid late
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Speaker 2: in the season, and it seemed to happen, you know,
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Speaker 2: in multiple seasons, and you know, if you're going to
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Speaker 2: hire him as a head coach, that would be something
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Speaker 2: you'd have to work through and try to get a
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Speaker 2: feel for why, have him explain why he thought it happened,
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Speaker 2: and you know, if you're in that situation, I would
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Speaker 2: assume obviously I'm not being interviewed for a head coaching job,
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Speaker 2: but I would assume that an owner at a GM
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Speaker 2: wouldn't want to hear excuses. They wouldn't want to hear, well,
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Speaker 2: guys were injured, because you know what, guys get injured
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Speaker 2: every year.
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Speaker 3: You know, you you never know everything happen. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: exactly exactly. Last guy is interfered for a lot of
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Speaker 3: head coaching jobs. He just unfortunately was let go by
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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. It's Kevin Stefanski. Yeah, what do you
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Speaker 3: think of his structure and offensive now.
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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski is, as you well know, is very respected
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Speaker 2: around the league as an offensive guy, which is why
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Speaker 2: he's still in the mix for head coaching positions, even
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Speaker 2: though the record with the Browns is certainly over the
15:51
Speaker 2: recent year has not been great. My sense of Kevin
15:55
Speaker 2: Stefanski is in an ideal world, you know, and again
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Speaker 2: now it gets down to what you're personnelities. But in
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Speaker 2: an ideal world, I think he'd like to play with
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Speaker 2: the quarterback under center, have the run game be the foundation,
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Speaker 2: have an O line that can you know, remember a
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Speaker 2: few years ago, you know, this was before Chubb had
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Speaker 2: the major injury, where they ran the ball exceptionally well.
16:15
Speaker 2: They had the really good old line. They had those
16:17
Speaker 2: two guards that were really really good. Wyatt Teller was
16:22
Speaker 2: a phenomenal puller in their run game. He's still in Cleveland, obviously,
16:26
Speaker 2: and he's been hurt a lot, but you know, and
16:28
Speaker 2: I think he'd liked the past game to work off that.
16:31
Speaker 2: And I think he's comfortable playing with multiple personnel packages,
16:35
Speaker 2: whether it's twelve even thirteen eleven. I think he's comfortable
16:39
Speaker 2: with a lot of different packages personnel formations. But I
16:44
Speaker 2: think at his core, he'd liked to start with a
16:47
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16:51
Speaker 2: going to play you because all coaches, Adam, what they're
16:54
Speaker 2: trying to do is they're trying to get the defense
16:57
Speaker 2: in a situation that's somewhat what predictable, you know, where
17:01
Speaker 2: there's minimal variants in what the defense does, and therefore
17:06
Speaker 2: you know how you can attack it, because you know,
17:09
Speaker 2: if you start getting into situations where the defense is
17:12
Speaker 2: going to do multiple things, then you know that then
17:15
Speaker 2: the defense has the tactical advantage. So you want to
17:18
Speaker 2: be in a situation, particularly in normal down in distance, okay,
17:21
Speaker 2: where the defense has as little variants as possible, because
17:25
Speaker 2: then you know how to attack what they do.
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Speaker 1: So I know with Kevin's career it's West Coast based. Yeah,
17:32
Speaker 1: it was gonna he was gonna be Ironically, the Giants
17:34
Speaker 1: offensive corner, but the Giants blocks using the Vikings blocked him,
17:37
Speaker 1: which turned out to be a good thing because he
17:38
Speaker 1: would later become the Browns side coach. But he was
17:40
Speaker 1: gonna go with Pat Sherman and the Giants he got blocked.
17:42
Speaker 1: He coached on Gary Kubiak, so he's got his roots
17:45
Speaker 1: are West Coast. He starts and see that's why I
17:48
Speaker 1: mentioned it.
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17:50
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Speaker 1: And wide zone actually ran into Kevin many years ago
17:55
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17:57
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17:59
Speaker 1: loved the wide zone, So yeah, there you go. So
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18:09
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18:18
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Speaker 1: One more thing for so, I know, a big thing
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Speaker 1: for you is the NFL Matchup Show on esp And
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Speaker 1: what do you got there? What kind of concepts are
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Speaker 2: It's a great time of year. It's a great time
23:05
Speaker 2: of year because you know, there's only four games this week,
23:07
Speaker 2: so for each game has a full segment to it
23:10
Speaker 2: because we have four segments in the show, and believe me,
23:12
Speaker 2: we could do a full segment, We could do a
23:14
Speaker 2: whole show on each game. But you know, it's great
23:17
Speaker 2: when you get an opportunity to talk in a little
23:19
Speaker 2: more detail about a specific matchup, you know, so uh,
23:23
Speaker 2: you know, And that's what I love about this time
23:25
Speaker 2: of year is really trying to think about the matchups,
23:28
Speaker 2: the specific nature of matchups as opposed to very often
23:31
Speaker 2: during the season. You know, you do a lot more
23:33
Speaker 2: about what are the strengths of a given team, like,
23:35
Speaker 2: you know, because you can always do film pieces at
23:37
Speaker 2: him on what a team's foundation is. Like, let's say,
23:40
Speaker 2: what their route concepts are, you know, foundational route concepts.
23:44
Speaker 2: A defensive coach, what their their blitz concepts? You know,
23:47
Speaker 2: their main blitz concepts are now with the Matchup show,
23:50
Speaker 2: we really try to focus on the matchups per se.
23:53
Speaker 2: So it's to me. I enjoy that a lot.
23:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to this weekend's game. So you know,
23:58
Speaker 1: the the NFL's version, the Final Four. There are four
24:01
Speaker 1: games there teams and yeah, it's separation Saturday Sunday. All right,
24:05
Speaker 1: I know, I can't wait a wee. You got the
24:07
Speaker 1: college stuff that's coming up. We got all such a
24:09
Speaker 1: great sports here. All right, Greg, there you have it
24:12
Speaker 1: for Greg Cosal. I'm Madam Kaplan. We'll see you next time.