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- 0:00Nikolai Vavilov was the best botanist in the world.
- 0:03Not in the Soviet Union, in the world.
- 0:06He spent decades collecting seeds, traveled to five continents, built the largest seed bank on Earth, in Leningrad, because he understood something simple and kind of enormous.
- 0:18If you preserve the genetic diversity of plants, you can feed people through famine, through blight, through anything.
- 0:25He collected over 380,000 seed samples.
- 0:29He went to Afghanistan, to Ethiopia, to Mexico, to the mountains of Central Asia.
- 0:34He understood that wild ancestors of our crops carried genetic resilience that domesticated varieties had lost, and that someday, maybe not now, maybe not for a
- 0:45generation, we would need those genes desperately.
- 0:48He believed in evidence.
- 0:50He believed you test a theory, and then the theory either holds up or the theory doesn't hold up, right?
- 0:56And then a man named
- 0:57Trophim Lysenko decided that genetics was bourgeois, Western, politically suspect.
- 1:05Lysenko had a theory about what wheat, sorry, that made Joseph Stalin happy, and being agreeable to Stalin turned out to matter more than being right.
- 1:18So they didn't argue with Vavilov, they didn't hold a debate, they didn't run the experiment, they arrested him.
- 1:25nineteen forty.
- 1:26Vavilov was taken into custody.
- 1:28He was interrogated for hundreds of hours and eventually sentenced to death.
- 1:33Then it was commuted, and then he was left in a prison cell in Saratov.
- 1:40The man who spent his life thinking about how to feed people, he died in prison in 1943 of starvation.
- 1:48Let me say that again.
- 1:49The world's leading expert on agriculture and famine starved to death in a cell.
- 1:56Because his science was politically inconvenient.
- 1:59And here's the part I can't stop thinking about.
- 2:01They didn't have to prove him wrong.
- 2:03Like that was never the point.
- 2:05The point was to control the ideas and whether or not they were allowed to exist, to put the checkbook and the prison key in the hands of people whose only qualification was
- 2:17loyalty.
- 2:18Vavilov was right, by the way.
- 2:20Lasinko's theories produced crop failures, famine.
- 2:23The science didn't care about politics.
- 2:25The science never does.
- 2:26It's science.
- 2:27That was eighty years ago.
- 2:29A different country, a different system.
- 2:32I want you to hold on to that cell in Saratov, right?
- 2:35Because the mechanism, the actual logic of it, is back.
- 2:39And it's in a four hundred and twelve page document filed in Washington this spring.
- 3:01This is the overlap.
- 3:02This is the show about systems of power, labor, and American injustice.
- 3:06I'm Joshua.
- 3:07I'm very glad you're here.
- 3:08Will's out again this week.
- 3:10I've been thinking about federal grant regulations a lot.
- 3:13Which is a sentence I never expected to say out loud, and yet here we are.
- 3:18Here's the overlap, right?
- 3:20Here's what happened.
- 3:21On May 29th, 2026, the Office of Management and Budget, we've talked about this before, OMB, Russ Vaught, the Prince of Darkness, published a proposed rule in the Federal
- 3:33Register.
- 3:33Docket number OMB twenty twenty six zero zero three four.
- 3:38Four hundred and twelve pages.
- 3:42The dry official title is Regulation for Federal Financial Assistance.
- 3:48I know.
- 3:49I know how that sounds, but stay with me.
- 3:51Because what's inside those 412 pages is one of the most significant power grabs over American knowledge that I've ever read about.
- 4:01And almost nobody is talking about it because they buried it in the most boring language that they could find.
- 4:06And that's not an accident.
- 4:08That's the strategy.
- 4:09Let me tell you about what it actually does.
- 4:12Right now, when a scientist wants federal money, say
- 4:16To study pancreatic cancer or Alzheimer's or why a bridge collapsed, they have to write a proposal.
- 4:23And a panel of other scientists, experts in the field, they review that.
- 4:27They ask, is this good science?
- 4:30Is the method sound?
- 4:31Will this teach us something true?
- 4:34Now, the panel has no political stake in the outcome.
- 4:38They're not asking whether the research makes a politician comfortable, they're asking whether
- 4:43Whether or not it's going to advance human knowledge.
- 4:46That's it.
- 4:46Like that's the only criteria for what it actually does.
- 4:52That's the system.
- 4:53It's called peer review.
- 4:54It's been the foundation of American research and kind of all research since the end of the Second World War.
- 5:02The OMB rule changes that.
- 5:04So, under this rule, even after scientists say yes, even after the experts approve it, big green check mark, a political appointee in Washington gets to look at the project and ask
- 5:16a completely different question.
- 5:18Not
- 5:19Is this good science?
- 5:21But does this demonstrably advance the president's policy priorities?
- 5:27And if the answer is no, kill it.
- 5:30It gets worse.
- 5:31The rule lets the government cancel any active grant mid-study, quote, for convenience.
- 5:38It bans funding what they call gender ideology.
- 5:42It restricts international collaboration.
- 5:45It requires e-verify for every grant employee.
- 5:49And it lets the government terminate an award at any time it decides the research no longer serves, and I'm quoting the national interest as it exists at the time of
- 6:00termination.
- 6:00There's key to that, right?
- 6:02The national interest as it exists at the time of termination.
- 6:06That's going to come up again and again and again and again.
- 6:08So put it on save, press the save button on that and and
- 6:11And hold that in the back of your mind while while you you hear me out.
- 6:15This one covers 1.1 trillion to trillion in federal grants with a T trillion.
- 6:22So why now?
- 6:23Why this episode this week?
- 6:25Because the the public comment period closes July 13th, and the rule is set to take effect on October first of this year.
- 6:33This is happening right now while you are listening to this.
- 6:36And here's the thing: to understand why this is so dangerous.
- 6:40You have to understand where the rules it's replacing come from, why they existed w like in the first place, because someone eighty years ago fought very hard to keep politicians'
- 6:52hands off of the checkbook of science.
- 6:55And they had a good reason.
- 6:56So let's go back.
- 6:58It's nineteen forty five, the war is ending, and a man named Venevar Bush, not that guy, sits down to write a report.
- 7:06Now you might not know Venevar.
- 7:10You're familiar with Bush, not the same family, but you should.
- 7:13Venevar Bush ran American science during the Second World War.
- 7:17He oversaw the Manhattan Project's research apparatus.
- 7:20He was the head of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, which coordinated work across more than 300 universities and research institutions.
- 7:29He employed around 30,000 people at its peak.
- 7:33Radar, penicillin mass production, proximity fuses.
- 7:38The technologies that won the war came out of his like overview.
- 7:43He was functionally the most powerful scientists in our country, and he understood something that the war had just proven beyond any argument.
- 7:52Science wins wars.
- 7:54Science saves lives.
- 7:57And science only works when scientists are free.
- 8:01So Roosevelt, before he died, he asked Vanavar a question.
- 8:05The wartime research machine, should we keep it going in peacetime?
- 8:10And if so, how?
- 8:12Now Vannevar's answer became a report called Science, The Endless Frontier.
- 8:18He delivered it to President Truman in July of nineteen forty five.
- 8:22And it's, I think, one of the most important documents in American history, even though most people have probably never heard of it.
- 8:30Here's the core idea.
- 8:31The argument
- 8:32That Vannevar made.
- 8:33I'm calling him Vannevar because I don't want to keep referring to him by his last name, Bush, so uh stick with me.
- 8:39The federal government basically should pay for basic scientific research, like a lot of it.
- 8:45But the government should not direct that research.
- 8:48That money comes from Washington.
- 8:51The decisions about what to study, how to study it, what counts as a good question, those come from scientists.
- 8:57Why?
- 8:58Because Vannevar had watched what happened.
- 9:01When you mix politics and science, he saw it in Germany, he'd seen it in the Soviet Union, he knew.
- 9:08When the state decides what's true, science dies, and then people die.
- 9:14So he proposed a wall.
- 9:15I know.
- 9:16A wall between the checkbook and the laboratory.
- 9:20The taxpayer funds the work, the experts judge the work, the politicians stay the hell out of it.
- 9:27Now that report led directly to the creation of the National Science Foundation, which was established by Congress in 1950.
- 9:34It set the template, merit-based, peer-reviewed, federal funding that actually built the modern American Research University.
- 9:44The template that spawned the National Institute of Health's extramural research program that seeded the great state research universities from Michigan to Berkeley to North
- 9:53Carolina.
- 9:55Every cancer drug that you have ever taken, every vaccine, the internet, by the way, all came out of this system.
- 10:01It was originally called ARPANET, which is what became the modern internet, and it was a defense advanced research project agency project.
- 10:09I don't know if you you followed that, but that's DARPA.
- 10:13It was funded on exactly the model that Vannevar envisioned government money, scientific judgment.
- 10:20The GPS in your phone.
- 10:21The treatment that kept your grandmother grandma alive for an extra 10 years, all of it was built on Vannevar Bush's wall.
- 10:28Now, as always, I I'm gonna make myself clear.
- 10:32The wall was never perfect.
- 10:33Politics is it's a creeping weed.
- 10:37It finds its way in and around the edges of everything all the time.
- 10:43You had the red scare in the nineteen fifties, which damaged careers and redirected the work.
- 10:49There were funding fights, there were congressional overrides, but the principle behind it held, right?
- 10:54The principle itself was sacred.
- 10:55And that that's it it's so many things that that this current administration doesn't really understand is that the principle is sacred.
- 11:02And and hey, that makes me sound like a conservative.
- 11:05But but ultimately, when you're dealing with science, things that should exist outside of the political realm, the principle is autonomy.
- 11:13The principle
- 11:14Is the ability to work on what furthers science, not what furthers an agenda, right?
- 11:20So you don't let a political appointee just veto a science work, a scientist work, because the the the topic is inconvenient.
- 11:27And you've heard a lot of this come out of this uh the the Elon Musk thing about, you know, getting money allocated toward better things.
- 11:39in our government.
- 11:40I forget the name, Doge, yeah.
- 11:42Department of Government Efficiency.
- 11:44They were cutting these programs left and right, one of which was the screwworm that we're now seeing invade Texas cattle.
- 11:51But another example, right?
- 11:53So the principle was sacred.
- 11:55You don't let a political appointee decide what science should be funded.
- 12:02And the reason that this was sacred, the reason that that the Vannevar Bush guy
- 12:06built this wall on purpose is because he had a living example of what happens when there's no wall.
- 12:13The example was happening in real time in the Soviet Union, and his name was Lysenko, right?
- 12:18I told you about Vavilov at the top.
- 12:21He was a botanist who starved in a cell.
- 12:24Let me give you the full machine he died inside of.
- 12:28So Trophim Lysinko was an agronomist.
- 12:32Not a great one, but he had a theory.
- 12:35Okay, now if you're not familiar with agronomy, which, you know, why would you be?
- 12:40ag, obviously being from agricultural, it's just the applied science and technology of making and using plants for few food and fuel and fiber and and how to how to restore the
- 12:51land like in the you know the breadbasket of the United States and such.
- 12:55so he was an agronomist and and he had a theory that basically that you could change
- 13:00The heritable traits of crops by exposing them to certain conditions.
- 13:04The wheat could be trained basically to survive the cold.
- 13:08And the process that he called vernalization.
- 13:11Now look, I know where this comes from, and even today, uh, Russian and Slavic families will leave their children out in the snow as babies because they believe it strengthens
- 13:22their immune system.
- 13:24so uh I can see where he kind of got this from.
- 13:26Right?
- 13:27But it's called vernalization.
- 13:29And it is absolute pseudoscientific nonsense.
- 13:32It contradicted everything that geneticists had established about how plant heredity actually works.
- 13:40And we're gonna go back all the way to Gregor Mendel, if you remember doing the the Punnett Squares and Mendel, and it he he was around the eighteen sixties, right?
- 13:49And and if you forward through the rediscovery of Mendel's laws at the turn of the twentieth century,
- 13:55The basic science of this was settled.
- 13:57Organisms inherit traits through discrete genetic pathways.
- 14:02You can't just train an organism to pass on an acquired characteristic.
- 14:07It would be like, you know, an elephant can't breathe underwater, so if you just drown it, it will develop gills, right?
- 14:13That's not how this works.
- 14:14That's not how any of this works.
- 14:16And it was never how it worked.
- 14:18But Lasinko's theories had had kind of two things going for it.
- 14:22One, it was optimistic.
- 14:24It was it was a a new promise.
- 14:26It basically promised that the USSR and the Soviet agriculture could be transformed very quickly, very cheaply, you know, by sheer positivity alone.
- 14:37So there were no expensive breeding programs, no patent, you know, patient genetic selection, just expose the seeds to cold water, and then the next generation is gonna is
- 14:47gonna tolerate cold water better and better.
- 14:50I mean, that's it.
- 14:51That was the the entire promise.
- 14:53And two, it kind of fit the ideology, right?
- 14:55The idea that that your environment is going to shape everything, that you can mold any organism or any person with the right conditions.
- 15:04So it was very appealing to a regime built on the idea of remaking human nature.
- 15:11So Stalin liked it.
- 15:13And once Stalin liked it, the question of whether it was true kind of got tossed.
- 15:17You know, the the baby was tossed out with the bath water.
- 15:21So from nineteen forty eight to nineteen sixty five, classical genetics was effectively outlawed in the Soviet Union, not debated, just outlawed.
- 15:30The All Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences in August of nineteen forty eight passed a resolution basically declaring Mendelian genetics as anti Marxist and banned it from
- 15:42Soviet institutions.
- 15:44And if you taught it, it could essentially end your entire teaching career.
- 15:47Practicing it even could end your freedom.
- 15:50More than 3,000 mainstream biologists were either fired or imprisoned, or worse, some of them were just shot.
- 15:57The state decided what science was legitimate, because I don't know, it has electrolytes.
- 16:03And that the the reason that they selected that was never about evidence.
- 16:08It was just about loyalty.
- 16:10And here's what you should understand the crop failures were real.
- 16:13The famines were real.
- 16:15Lasinko's methods just didn't work.
- 16:18Because reality doesn't take orders, you know, like you can imprison a geneticist, but you can't imprison genetics, because that's how science works.
- 16:27But the the regime didn't really care.
- 16:31Because the the actual goal was never good harvests.
- 16:34The actual goal was control.
- 16:36Control over what counted as knowledge, control over the people who produced it.
- 16:42And control, seems like, is its own reward, even when it costs you.
- 16:47Your entire regime.
- 16:49When political cow power can't win on the merits, it just rewrites the rules.
- 16:54It moves the goalposts.
- 16:56That's the pattern.
- 16:57So hold on to it.
- 16:58We're going to come back to it.
- 16:59The Soviets didn't sit down with Vavilov and say, you know, show us your data.
- 17:03Let's compare it to Lysinko's.
- 17:05Let's run a controlled experiment.
- 17:07Right.
- 17:07They never did any of that.
- 17:09Because if they'd done that, they would have lost in the marketplace of ideas, as they say.
- 17:16Vavilov had the evidence.
- 17:18He had decades of it.
- 17:19He had the largest seed bank on earth.
- 17:21He had the entire field of international genetics supporting this guy.
- 17:26So they didn't debate him because they didn't have to.
- 17:29They controlled the checkbook and they controlled the prisons, and that was enough.
- 17:34Did they know Lysinko's theories wouldn't work?
- 17:37At a certain point, yes, right.
- 17:38Like I mean, at a certain point it became obvious because famines are not subtle things.
- 17:43But knowing the truth and being willing to fund the truth are two very different things.
- 17:49And the gap, right?
- 17:50That gap right there is the whole purpose and the whole story behind this episode.
- 17:55Vannevar Bush built the wall between the laboratory and the government to keep America out of that gap.
- 18:03For eighty years, more or less, that wall held, and now there's a four hundred and twelve page document trying to tear it down, brick by brick, in language so boring, monotonously
- 18:14boring, that they're hoping that you're not gonna read it.
- 18:18About like Project 2025.
- 18:21So let me introduce you to the man who
- 18:23Holding the sledgehammer.
- 18:24His name is Russ Vott, like I said.
- 18:27He's the director of the OMB, and he is more than anyone the architect of what we're talking about.
- 18:33Vott wrote the OMB chapter of Project 2025.
- 18:37If you're not familiar with it by now, it's the Heritage is foundation for New Gilead and also the apparent playbook of the current administration.
- 18:47But in it he describes what he thinks the OMB should be.
- 18:52His words he called it the keeper of the commander's intent.
- 18:58Let's sit with that for a second.
- 18:59Commander's intent.
- 19:02That's military language.
- 19:04The commander gives the intent, and everyone below executes it without question.
- 19:10That is how Russ Vaught sees the agency that controls the federal checkbook.
- 19:14Not as a neutral administrator of taxpayer money, but as an instrument of one man's desire.
- 19:21And the OMB rule, this docket, OMB twenty twenty six-three four.
- 19:26Is how he makes that real.
- 19:28So let's walk through this slowly because the mechanism is the whole thing, as they say.
- 19:32The rule takes something called the Uniform Guidance.
- 19:36That's two CFR Part 200, the rule book of how federal grants work.
- 19:41It was established in 2013 and it does two things.
- 19:44First, it just renames it.
- 19:46It's now known as the Uniform Grants Regulation.
- 19:49Second, and this is the important part.
- 19:52It completely reclassifies it from guidance into binding regulation.
- 19:58Now, why does that matter?
- 19:59Because guidance is flexible.
- 20:02Guidance is advisory.
- 20:04When an agency operates under guidance, there is meaningful room for courts to step in and say, look, you deviated from the the guidance unreasonably or inconsistently or without a
- 20:17rational scientific explanation.
- 20:19Binding regulation has the force of law.
- 20:22So by converting it one, like converting one of those words into the other, Vaught is hardening political control into something that's a lot harder to challenge in court.
- 20:32He's not just changing the policy, he's changing the legal terrain on which any future challenge can be fought.
- 20:40So what does that rule require?
- 20:42It requires political appointees, not scientists, conduct.
- 20:47what's called a pre-issuance review of every discretionary grant.
- 20:53Before any money goes out, a guy that Donald Trump selects, or in this case Russ Vaught, but he believes in a s single unitary theory, so really Donald Trump, has to certify that
- 21:06the grant, quote, demonstrably advances the president's policy priorities.
- 21:1157.4 billion, blah ba billion.
- 21:15In combined NIH and NSF funding now runs through that political filter.
- 21:20I I'm trying not to put too fine of a point on it, but let me put a slightly finer point on it.
- 21:25A panel of cancer researchers can review a proposal, agree it's brilliant, agree it could save lives, and a political appointee with no scientific training can look at it and say,
- 21:36nah, this doesn't advance the president's priorities.
- 21:39Dead.
- 21:40The scientist's judgment is irrelevant at that point.
- 21:42The evidence is irrelevant at that point.
- 21:45The only thing that matters is whether the work can be mapped into a political agenda.
- 21:51That's Lysenko, right?
- 21:52That's the exact same machine.
- 21:54The cr the criteria is no longer, is it true?
- 21:57It's is it loyal?
- 21:59And that doesn't stop at the beginning.
- 22:01The rule allows mid award termination, meaning canceling that grant in the middle of an active study.
- 22:09Whether the award no longer well sorry, not whether, but whenever the award no longer serves the natural national interest as it exists at the time of termination.
- 22:20And there it is again.
- 22:22As it exists at the time of termination.
- 22:24You know what that means?
- 22:26It means the rules can change after you've already started the work.
- 22:30You can be three years into a five-year study on Alzheimer's.
- 22:34You've hired postdocs, you you've enrolled patients, you've built your methodology on the assumption and the funding is stable, you followed every single requirement, and one day
- 22:44the natural national interest as it exists decides that your work is inconvenient and it's over.
- 22:51No cause, no process, no appeal that can move fast enough to save the study.
- 22:56The rule also bans grant money from being used for gender ideology, which, you know.
- 23:03Undefined, kind of deliberately.
- 23:06So it can mean whatever you need it to mean.
- 23:08It restricts international collaboration, which is a particularly damaging because modern science is global by necessity, like when COVID happened.
- 23:17We had to to actually discuss these things scientifically with Chinese scientists.
- 23:23Because we were all hurting from it.
- 23:25But why wouldn't you, from a science perspective, desire to?
- 23:29Have scientists collaborate across the borders with the science being the priority.
- 23:35The most important research on infectious disease, on on climate change, on rare genetic disorders, that that works across borders on purpose, right?
- 23:45Like because no single country has a monopoly on expertise or on just data.
- 23:52The ban on international collaboration doesn't just slow down research.
- 23:56It kneecaps the entire model.
- 23:58It bans open access publishing charges, which means that the public that paid for the research has a harder time reading the research.
- 24:08And it requires e-verify enrollment for every grant employee, adding an administrative burden that will fall hardest on the smallest institutions, the regional universities, the
- 24:19HBCUs, the community college research programs that are basically barely keeping the lights on as it is.
- 24:25Now, why does this still happen?
- 24:27And that's that's what I've been thinking about since I started researching this topic.
- 24:32We did this.
- 24:33We learned this lesson.
- 24:35Venevar Bush wrote it down in nineteen forty five.
- 24:38We watched the Soviets starve their own people because they put loyalty over peer reviewed evidence.
- 24:46And we know how this ends.
- 24:48So why are we doing it again?
- 24:50I think the honest answer, and why you should be pissed off, is that they tried to do this the fast way first, and the courts stopped them.
- 25:00So now they're doing it the slow way, the one that really hurts.
- 25:03Watch this.
- 25:04In 2017, during the first Trump term, the administration proposed capping NIH indirect cost reimbursement at 10%.
- 25:12That
- 25:13That's the the money universities get for the infrastructure of research, the labs, the lights, the safety systems, the staff.
- 25:22And Congress rejected it.
- 25:23So in February of twenty twenty five, they just didn't ask Congress.
- 25:27NIH just announced unilaterally a fifteen percent cap.
- 25:32Replacing rates that had been individually negotiated averaging twenty seven to fifty eight percent.
- 25:38For a place like Johns Hopkins, that's one hundred thirty six million dollars gone overnight.
- 25:46Now the courts blocked it.
- 25:48Judge Angel Kelly in Massachusetts issued a permanent injunction found that the National Institute of Health violated federal statute, was arbitrary and capricious, and
- 25:59Skipped the required rulemaking and violated the Constitution's ban on retroactive rules.
- 26:05The First Circuit upheld it unanimously in January of 2026 of this year.
- 26:10Then, starting in early 2025, the administration just started terminating grants, thousands of them, across the Institute of Health, the National Science Foundation, other
- 26:21agencies, basically saying that DEI content, gender research, COVID studies that they didn't like.
- 26:27$780 million in National Institute of Health Grants alone.
- 26:33And then the courts block those two over and over as illegal under the Administrative Procedure Act.
- 26:39So here's the new pattern.
- 26:40They try the blunt force way.
- 26:42The courts say no, you can't do that.
- 26:44It's against the rules.
- 26:44So they're just like, okay, well, we're gonna change the rules.
- 26:48And that's what OMB 2026-0034 actually is.
- 26:53It's the administration's attempt to achieve through rulemaking that it could not achieve through brute force.
- 26:59To rewrite the rule book so that the next round of cuts, the political vetoes, the mid-study terminations will all be legal.
- 27:06And it's all going to be baked in.
- 27:08And it'll be much, much harder to challenge.
- 27:12When political power cannot win on its own merits, it just rewrites the rules of the game.
- 27:17One more thing.
- 27:18The preamble to this rule, the part where they they justify it, doesn't cite.
- 27:22Independent scientific assessments.
- 27:25It doesn't cite neutral administrative review.
- 27:28It cites heritage foundation reports, partisan Senate documents, White House fact sheets.
- 27:36They're using the regulatory process to launder a political agenda into binding law.
- 27:42And they're citing their own propaganda as the evidence for doing so.
- 27:46The Heritage Foundation runs on about a hundred million dollars a year.
- 27:51And Project twenty twenty five is quoted in the federal rule book as justification for who gets to do science in America.
- 27:59That is where we are.
- 28:01Let me tell you what this looks like when it lands on actual people.
- 28:04Not theory, not docket numbers, people.
- 28:06Harvard University, April 2025.
- 28:09Now I know Harvard, right?
- 28:10Hard to feel sorry for the richest university in America.
- 28:13I get it.
- 28:14But stay with me because what happened at Harvard is the the clearest example we have of a machine working exactly as designed.
- 28:21The administration, through a federal anti-Semitism task force, made a list of demands.
- 28:27Changes to Harvard's governance, its hiring, its admissions, and Harvard just said no.
- 28:33Like we're an independent university, no.
- 28:36So the administration froze $2.2 billion in grants and 60 million in contracts.
- 28:42And then federal agencies sent termination letters across more than 900 research projects.
- 28:48900.
- 28:49Let me tell you about what some of these projects were: Alzheimer's research, cancer research, heart disease.
- 28:56Veterans mental health.
- 28:59Veterans mental health.
- 29:00The government cut funding for research into helping veterans as punishment because a university wouldn't let political appointees rewrite it at its admission policies.
- 29:11The retaliation is so like blatant, it's so naked in front of our eyes that a federal judge by the name of Allison Burrows.
- 29:20Ruled in September of 2025 that it was illegal, straight up illegal retaliation for protected First Amendment activity.
- 29:29It violated the APA.
- 29:31It violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
- 29:34She ordered more than $2.6 billion restored to Harvard.
- 29:40And the administration filed an appeal.
- 29:42Their argument on appeal, and I want you to hear this, their argument was that agencies can revoke support based on shifting, quote.
- 29:50Agency priorities.
- 29:52Shifting agency priorities.
- 29:55That's the polite version of the national interest as it exists at the time of termination.
- 30:01That's the whole game.
- 30:02We can cut your funding anytime our priorities shift, and our priorities shift whenever it's convenient.
- 30:09As of 2026, that case is still on appeal and Harvard's grants are still frozen.
- 30:15That means Alzheimer's research, veterans' mental health research still frozen.
- 30:20Now, let me tell you about a case that's harder to wave away because it's
- 30:23It's not Harvard, it's New York.
- 30:25Letitia James, you might know her, she's the attorney general of New York, in April 2025 sued the Trump administration, joined by fifteen other attorneys general.
- 30:35I always have trouble with that.
- 30:36Attorney General's attorneys general, it's attorneys general over the National Institute of Health grant terminations.
- 30:43So starting in March of 2025, NIH had been canceling grants, research on LGBTQ plus health.
- 30:50On vaccine hesitancy, on health disparities, and the termination letters just slapped DEI studies on them with zero factual basis.
- 30:59They didn't read the research.
- 31:00They didn't evaluate the science.
- 31:02They saw a topic they didn't like and they stamped it and they killed it.
- 31:06In New York alone, that was more than four and a half million dollars to SUNY.
- 31:12that's the Scientific University of New York, the State University of New York, public university, public research.
- 31:19Killed by a label, DEI.
- 31:21Judge Young heard the case and in June 2025, he ruled a bench ruling.
- 31:27He found that the terminations arbitrary and capricious under the APA.
- 31:32Potentially discriminatory, he blocked the NIH from terminating the grants and vacated eleven separate NIH and HHS memos that had been used to make the cuts.
- 31:43Eleven memos.
- 31:44That's how much bureaucratic machinery they'd built.
- 31:47Just to kill research on topics that they found politically distasteful.
- 31:53And here's the thing about Judges Young ruling.
- 31:56He didn't just find it illegal, he understood what it was.
- 32:00This isn't like budget management.
- 32:01This is the state deciding which questions Americans are allowed to ask, which diseases are allowed to be studied, which populations are allowed to be helped.
- 32:12So the administration appealed to the Supreme Court.
- 32:16And in August of 2025, the court, five to four, that's a commonly recurring theme as well, stayed the district court's judgment.
- 32:25But watch how they did it.
- 32:26They didn't say the terminations are fine.
- 32:29They said something a little bit more clever, and because it's more clever, it's more dangerous.
- 32:35They said the district courts probably don't have jurisdiction to hear these challenges at all.
- 32:41Basically, they said they belong in a court of federal claims.
- 32:44And that's a venue that's much, much harder for a researcher or a university to access.
- 32:49It's much slower, much more expensive, less able to move fast enough to save a study that's dying in real time.
- 32:58A venue where the government has significant structural advantages, right?
- 33:03Where the procedural clock runs against the plaintiff.
- 33:06Where by the time you actually get to a ruling, the lab's dark, the graduate students have already moved on and they've graduated.
- 33:12In other words, the Supreme Court didn't rule that the cuts were legal.
- 33:16They just took away the courtroom where you could fight them.
- 33:19And that ruling is the foundation the OMB rule is built on.
- 33:24The administration learned that if you can't win the argument, you just change where it happens.
- 33:29And if changing the venue isn't enough, you change the rules.
- 33:31You codify the termination power into binding regulation.
- 33:36You cite the Supreme Court stay as your legal cover, and you make the next round bulletproof.
- 33:42Now think back to Saratov, right?
- 33:43To to Vavilov in that cell starving.
- 33:46The difference between then and now is real.
- 33:50And I don't I don't want to flatten it.
- 33:51Nobody is imprisoning American scientists, right?
- 33:54Nobody's being executed.
- 33:55I'm not saying that.
- 33:56I I want to be clear about that.
- 33:57But the logic, the actual operating framework is the exact same.
- 34:04The state decides which knowledge is legitimate.
- 34:07The criteria is loyalty, not truth, and the people who produce inconvenient knowledge get cut off, defunded, and erased from the record.
- 34:16Vavilov lost his freedom.
- 34:18The American scientist loses their grant, their lab, their graduate students, and fifteen years of work that dies when the funding stops.
- 34:27The veteran loses the treatment that the canceled study was three years from finding.
- 34:31The Alzheimer's patient or their family really
- 34:34The people who are watching and waiting, they lose the chance that a study being run right now, today, is three years from changing everything.
- 34:44And that chance just disappears quietly, legally.
- 34:49The state can't imprison genetics, right?
- 34:52And it can't imprison Alzheimer's research either.
- 34:56The disease doesn't care about the president's policy priorities.
- 35:00The disease just keeps killing people.
- 35:03While the research that might have stopped it sits frozen in appeal, and that's the cost, right?
- 35:07That's that's who pays for this.
- 35:10So here's the through line.
- 35:11And I'm gonna pull it all the way through here.
- 35:14In 1948, the Soviet Politburo didn't debate Lysenko's genetics on the merits.
- 35:22They couldn't win that debate, so they didn't have it.
- 35:24They outlawed the competing science, they imprisoned the scientists, they made loyalty the test for truth.
- 35:31In twenty twenty five, the Trump administration couldn't win in court.
- 35:34Their grant terminations were blocked again and again as illegal.
- 35:38So they didn't accept the limit.
- 35:40They're rewriting the entire regulation itself, converting guidance into binding law, embedding political loyalty as a condition of every single grant, legalizing termination
- 35:53without cause.
- 35:54Different mechanism.
- 35:56Same logic.
- 35:58When the political power can't win on the merits, it just rewrites the rules.
- 36:02And so what's so corrosive about this version, because it's it's almost more insidious than what the Soviets did, the Soviets were honest about it in a particularly horrible
- 36:14way.
- 36:15They said the science is forbidden, and they they drew the line in public.
- 36:19They passed a resolution.
- 36:21They named the enemy, there was a clarity to the brutality of it that at least you kind of know where you stood.
- 36:27This is quieter.
- 36:29This is a four hundred and twelve page administrative language vomitous document.
- 36:35This is the word guidance becoming the word regulation.
- 36:39This is a phrase like demonstrably advance the president's policy priorities sitting in a federal register notice that almost no one will ever read.
- 36:50This is the kind of violence of this bureaucracy.
- 36:53The kind that doesn't kick down your door, it just stops returning your calls, stops cutting your check quietly, legally, forever.
- 37:01Because it's quiet.
- 37:03It's procedural.
- 37:04Because it reads like a compliance manual rather than a manifesto.
- 37:08People don't treat it as the emergency that it is.
- 37:12And look, that's that's the truly dark genius of this.
- 37:16The standard that they invented, this gold standard science, that's from Executive Order 14303.
- 37:21It sounds great, right?
- 37:22I mean, who could be against gold standard science?
- 37:26Except it's not defined by scientists, it's divine dis defined by political appointees.
- 37:32It's a standard with no content except whatever the people in power need it to mean on any given day.
- 37:39It's the perfect tool, and it sounds like rigor, this stuff we're taught to to use in our scientific method.
- 37:45It functions like a loyalty oath.
- 37:47You invoke the gold standard to approve the research you like and deny the research you don't like, and you don't have to explain the difference in terms that anyone can
- 37:55challenge because the standard itself is whatever you say it is.
- 37:59And this matters because beyond this one rule, beyond this one administration, because the thing about Vannevar Bush's wall, right?
- 38:05The ball the wall between the checkbook and the lab is that it protected everyone.
- 38:10It protected research, the left likes, and research the right likes.
- 38:15It protected the system itself from whoever happened to be in power.
- 38:19And once you knock down that wall, once you establish that a political appointee can veto science based on the president's priorities.
- 38:27That power doesn't disappear when the president changes, it just changes hands.
- 38:31The next administration inherits the remote control and then the one after that.
- 38:35You're not building a tool for your side.
- 38:38You're building a tool for whoever holds the office forever.
- 38:42And you're betting that you're always going to be the one holding it, which shows what they think this next next election is going look like.
- 38:50They believe that they're going to continue to be in power.
- 38:54And that bet, right?
- 38:55That that bet that you're gonna continue being the one holding it has never in the history of human power ever paid off.
- 39:03And the deeper point is this a free society needs a place where the truth can be pursued, regardless of whether that truth is convenient to the people in charge.
- 39:13That's not a luxury, right?
- 39:14Like that's that's load bearing.
- 39:16That's how we cure diseases, it's how we catch our own mistakes, it's how a country corrects course before it drives off of a cliff.
- 39:24When you make the the truth a political question, when funding flows only to the facts that flatter power, you don't just damage science, you blind the entire society.
- 39:35You start steering by ideology instead of evidence.
- 39:39And I ideology doesn't care if the bridge is actually safe or if the drug actually works, or if the crop will actually grow.
- 39:47Lasinko's wheat didn't grow, but the famine came anyway.
- 39:51Reality always sends that bill.
- 39:53And that's what this rule is risking.
- 39:55It's not frozen grants.
- 39:57It's not just defunded labs.
- 40:00It's the slow blinding of a country that used to be able to see.
- 40:04So here's what I want you to pay closer attention to.
- 40:06Not the headlines, the dockets, the boring stuff, the four hundred and twelve page documents with titles like regulation for federal financial assistance.
- 40:15Because that's where the real power moves now.
- 40:17Not in the speeches, in the rulemaking.
- 40:20They have learned that the public doesn't read the fine print, and they're building their whole strategy on that bet.
- 40:27The single most absurd thing in this entire story, it's that phrase the national interest as it exists at the time of termination.
- 40:34Sit with what that says.
- 40:35It says we can cancel your work whenever we want for whatever reason we want.
- 40:39The justification is just whatever we happen to believe is in the national interest at the exact moment that we decide to cancel you.
- 40:47It's circular.
- 40:49It's unfalsifiable.
- 40:50Like it is a logical, perfect circle.
- 40:54It means nothing and it means everything.
- 40:57The natural national interest is whatever they say it is.
- 41:00Whenever they say it.
- 41:01That's not a standard, that's a mood.
- 41:03That's a vibe check.
- 41:04And they want to give a mood the power of law over a trillion dollars and over which diseases we're allowed to cure.
- 41:13That's the shitty rotten logic of this whole thing right there in one phrase.
- 41:17They didn't even bother to hide it.
- 41:19So a couple of things, the kind I'd I'd tell you over a drink.
- 41:23One, if you know anyone, a friend, a cousin, anyone who works at a university, a lab, a research hospital, ask them what they're moving offshore.
- 41:31Because the smart ones already are.
- 41:33International collaboration is already in the crosshairs.
- 41:36So the best researchers are quietly building partnerships in Canada, in the EU, places where the checkbook isn't a remote control yet.
- 41:46So find out where the science is going.
- 41:48That tells you everything about where this is headed.
- 41:52Two, read the document for yourself.
- 41:55Not to comment.
- 41:55I I'm gonna tell you to do the civics class thing.
- 41:58Uh yes, you should comment.
- 42:00You can find it, just Google it.
- 42:04But read it because the comments, the the the comments from the administrators, right?
- 42:09The university councils, the people who actually run grant programs.
- 42:13They say the quiet part out loud in ways the news is not ever going to.
- 42:17The technical objections are where the truth lives, right?
- 42:21Go read what the Grant administrators are absolutely mortified about.
- 42:27Because it's more more honest than any, you know, political pundit or or listening to me on a podcast.
- 42:34And three, next time someone tells you a policy fight is too boring or too technical to matter, remember that too boring to matter.
- 42:42Is exactly the camouflage.
- 42:44The most consequential power grabs of our lifetime are going to be written in the most boring, tedious, administratively nerdy language available on purpose.
- 42:56Your boredom is the weapon.
- 42:58Refuse to be bored by it.
- 43:00Vavilov starved in a cell because his science was inconvenient.
- 43:05We are not there.
- 43:07But the people who wrote this rule.
- 43:09Are studying the same playbook and they're hoping that you won't notice.
- 43:14Notice.
- 43:15This has been The Overlap.
- 43:17I'm Joshua.
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