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Ep. 244: Good People for a Good Country · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: we've been talking about what it's very tall people, how
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  Speaker 1: windy it is? You honest, so they don't think that
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  Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, strudlin. It's the windiest I think
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen it since I've moved to Montana five
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  Speaker 1: years ago. It's so windy that Jana's got reports from
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  Speaker 1: an eighty mile winds and oh yeah, over in big
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  Speaker 1: timber rancher ship working cattle ship and cattle and he
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  Speaker 1: says his eye are swollen from all the small particles
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  Speaker 1: that have been blown into his eyeballs the last two
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  Speaker 1: days that windy. I thought my windows might implode towards me.
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  Speaker 1: This morning as I was making coffee, it was so
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  Speaker 1: windy and the glass was flexing. Extremely windy. We have
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  Speaker 1: a Halloween. It's so windy that that doesn't matter. There's
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  Speaker 1: a Halloween decoration that I had to get up and
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  Speaker 1: remove in the middle of the night. Bahm, but um oh,
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  Speaker 1: here here's the way playing. How windy it is my
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  Speaker 1: neighbors wheelbarrow which I don't know exactly where he stores
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  Speaker 1: it on his property, but it was at least a
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards from his house. It hit the wheel barrel
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  Speaker 1: had just been blown across the landscape. This is it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty windy. I got two windy things I want to
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  Speaker 1: tell so, for the first time ever, my my beloved
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  Speaker 1: sister in law say something. I need a viro is here.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Steve be my favorite. Uh probably I like
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  Speaker 1: you more n I like you more than my brother,
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  Speaker 1: Like if I had to choose the tree, my brother
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  Speaker 1: and my sister in law. You have two brothers and
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  Speaker 1: two sisters in laws, and I'm talking about this one,
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  Speaker 1: this one in particular. I'm just trying to I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to lay it on Thick that when he is
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  Speaker 1: married to yeah one, he's married to my brother Matt,
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  Speaker 1: but like or more than him, which supposed to an
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  Speaker 1: awkward position because originally, I don't know, I never told
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  Speaker 1: you this. I was originally not skeptical of you. But
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  Speaker 1: but I was sussing you out, Oh, because I care
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  Speaker 1: about my brother a great deal and so you know
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  Speaker 1: I love him to death. Would you find out in
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  Speaker 1: your sussing, oh, that I liked you? But initially right initially,
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  Speaker 1: I like, I wouldn't take him, saying like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I whatever have a girl Friendily might get married. I
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  Speaker 1: don't take that. Is I wouldn't take that. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh gosh, can't wait to meet this wonderful person. My
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  Speaker 1: head would go, what's wrong? Went like like, um, I
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  Speaker 1: got her number. Now I'm gonna find out skepticism. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: do them wrong? I don't know, just because injured skeptical,
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  Speaker 1: Like I was skeptical. But then now you know you
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  Speaker 1: really wanted me over, Like I love you so much,
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  Speaker 1: so so kind, I love you so much. You do.
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  Speaker 1: You such a great job at being a brother. You
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  Speaker 1: do a great job being my brother's wife. But I'll
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  Speaker 1: point out, you guys don't live together. It's a secret. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you guys live long happy marriage. You guys live nine
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  Speaker 1: hours apart. Yes, it's just like a commune. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a long it with no we have to immediate plans
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  Speaker 1: to remedy the situation. Not even looking at it as
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  Speaker 1: something that should be remedied. Absolutely not. Uh do when
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  Speaker 1: we get a little older, like someday you haven't ruled
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  Speaker 1: remedy makes it sound like there's like it's a problem
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  Speaker 1: and there's something wrong and so yeah, So I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to say, it's like it's not like a thing
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  Speaker 1: that they're like stuck in and wish they weren't. You
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  Speaker 1: just don't live together. Just don't live together. I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people it probably wish. Yeah, when we
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  Speaker 1: need assisted living, help assist each other, and we might
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  Speaker 1: as well just have one person do it. It's cheaper. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you just start to love each other so much that
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  Speaker 1: you can't be that far apart anymore. You need more
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  Speaker 1: time together. We got a lot of love right now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I wanta tell you my windy story
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  Speaker 1: though this is very windy. I thought your brother's house
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  Speaker 1: was going to blow away. Well, that's why, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting it. I'm trying to just this is a
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  Speaker 1: prolonged set up for a story about windy nous. The
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  Speaker 1: first time I took my wife two my brother's house
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  Speaker 1: a mile city. Um, she'd never been a mile city,
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  Speaker 1: and I think she's just had like she's pregnant. We
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  Speaker 1: had one baby and she's pregning with another baby. Either way,
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  Speaker 1: I take her there and I don't know what and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know, but there's like a there's there's a
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  Speaker 1: tornado coming. But I didn't know there's a tornado coming.
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  Speaker 1: So we get to Mile City and we're gonna go fishing,
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  Speaker 1: and our friend d was there as well, and so
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  Speaker 1: Katie's like, well, I was gonna hang out and catch
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  Speaker 1: up with Dan and we'll hang out in the house
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  Speaker 1: and you guys all go fishing. So we started down
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  Speaker 1: the road to go fishing, and also like a tornado
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  Speaker 1: hits and uh blows trees, Like we couldn't even get
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  Speaker 1: anywhere down. We couldn't get down the road because like
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  Speaker 1: cotton woods are blown down the road. A chunk of
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  Speaker 1: Matt's roof blows off his house. WHOA. She's like huddled
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  Speaker 1: in the door frame and and she's like never been
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  Speaker 1: to this talent her life. She's only been here like
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  Speaker 1: thirty minutes, and she's thinking, my god, displaces Windy. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to any of us, it was like and his
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  Speaker 1: door frames probably aren't the sturdiest of door frames. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's like the kind of house that they haul in on.
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  Speaker 1: It's the kind of house they hauling in on a trailer. Yes, yes, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah. She's like, no, one, I can't picture how
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  Speaker 1: windy it is here. But I was like arrived during
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  Speaker 1: a tornado. Um yesterday we I was out with my
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  Speaker 1: wife and kids and we ran um ran aground. Two
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  Speaker 1: days ago, ran our jetboat aground. And I blame the
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  Speaker 1: wind for this because like when you're you can run
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  Speaker 1: a jetboat and inches of water, you know, but you
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  Speaker 1: kind of rely when you're picking your course. You kind
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  Speaker 1: of rely on the way the water looks. You're looking
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  Speaker 1: for deep water shallow water. And the wind was so severe.
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  Speaker 1: Two things. The wind was so severe that it interrupted
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  Speaker 1: the surface activity on the river and made everything look
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  Speaker 1: different because the wind's blown up current and made and
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  Speaker 1: made it so you couldn't like read the river right.
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  Speaker 1: And I was trying to buy a fishing license for
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  Speaker 1: my wife, and I was convinced that she already had one.
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  Speaker 1: She was convinced she didn't have one. So we're on
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  Speaker 1: the phone. I'm trying to drive the boat down a
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  Speaker 1: very shallow river and be on the phone like, no,
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  Speaker 1: hit that button. No, it's your birthday, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: know you go. And also just dead, I mean like
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  Speaker 1: ran aground but nobody got thrown. No one got thrown.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. It was kind of like bamn. Yeah, everybody
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  Speaker 1: had to get out dragging the boat around. It was
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  Speaker 1: just a gravel bar. Yeah, it ran up on a
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  Speaker 1: gravel bar. Scared the hell out everybody. It was bad.
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  Speaker 1: And then um, yeah, it's like generally horrible fishing. A dude.
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  Speaker 1: A dude gave us a walleye, so we want up
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  Speaker 1: with two because the guy gave us one. So dude
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  Speaker 1: had caught one and didn't want to clean it, gave
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  Speaker 1: us that wall and then we caught our own and
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  Speaker 1: went home with two walleye. That's it. It's a very
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  Speaker 1: windy day. Camped out for the night. Big Doings, also
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  Speaker 1: joined by Casey Snyder. Thank you thanks for having me
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  Speaker 1: spelled real weird. Hey, you know it's the American version
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  Speaker 1: of a German name, so s and I that strong
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  Speaker 1: German I rather than a y, which I think is
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  Speaker 1: Dutch technically. Yeah, and you're you're currently to give people
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  Speaker 1: your tell people what you're up to. So I am
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  Speaker 1: in the state legislature back home in Utah. So I
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  Speaker 1: am from Cash Valley represent the fifth District, the Fighting
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  Speaker 1: Five as we like to call it, a state legislature
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  Speaker 1: and uh last session, this last spring session, we ran
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  Speaker 1: a bill to mend our state constitution to add the
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  Speaker 1: right to hunting fish in our state and joined a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of states, including this one, and UH make sure
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  Speaker 1: that that right, that opportunity is always protected in Utah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm here to talk to you about today. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you're super involved in one year an egg. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: we have we we farm, we ranch, we we kind
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  Speaker 1: of dabble in everything. I am a man of many hats,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, including that John Deer when you got
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  Speaker 1: on right now, absolutely all the way, green, all the way.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so we we farm and ranch and then
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  Speaker 1: um in the legislature and also working on a PhD
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  Speaker 1: and fire forestry and fire to State University. That's sort
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  Speaker 1: of one of those ongoing things. But that dovetails in
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  Speaker 1: with In the summertime, we have a local department and
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  Speaker 1: I usually will go out for a couple of months,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and UH fight fire including this summer.
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  Speaker 1: So there's what's your what are you looking at? So
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at basically better ways to predict fire in
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  Speaker 1: our state. So I'm working on a fire atlas which
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  Speaker 1: would say, hey, when does this type of vegetation burn?
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  Speaker 1: How often and how big do the fires usually go?
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  Speaker 1: So basic baseline data stuff, and then we're going to
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  Speaker 1: look at some other topics relative to management to private
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  Speaker 1: lands in the state of Utah burn more often than
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  Speaker 1: federal lands are bigger, those types of just just basic questions.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what's going on down there on a longer scale.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see. It's one of those we're five years in.
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  Speaker 1: We'll hopefully one day they'll call me doctor, but we'll see. So,
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  Speaker 1: just just to recap, you're in your like in your
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  Speaker 1: state legislature, legislature yep. And you guys are in farming.
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  Speaker 1: You help operate a family ranch and you fight fires.
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  Speaker 1: Summertimes are busy at my house, and you're like enrolled
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  Speaker 1: in an academic program yep. Ye. If you don't sleep,
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  Speaker 1: you can get a lot done. I'll just say it.
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  Speaker 1: Just stay up a lot. You know, caffeine, you know what.
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  Speaker 1: Surprised and jealous Steve A. Little bit man. Uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do. I would keep you because with with that array,
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  Speaker 1: if something's not interesting that day, just do something, Just
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  Speaker 1: work on a different thing. Yeah yeah, And I could
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  Speaker 1: tell people what I am that day rather than you know.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so maybe today I'll be the firefighter and tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: I'll be the farmer. You know. Also keeping it keeping
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  Speaker 1: it light, keep it flexible. You know what's surprised me
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  Speaker 1: recently about the fires. Um. I want to point out
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  Speaker 1: a commonality between two and or two guests here. My
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  Speaker 1: sister in law wanted to there's a lot of differences
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of commonalities that I want to point out.
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  Speaker 1: You guys both are in livestock in some respects, Like
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  Speaker 1: you guys have a large horse heard whine I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to lives on UM lives on a guess ranch over Missoula,
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  Speaker 1: And you guys keep a shipload of horses. Yes, And
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  Speaker 1: so I was. I was talking to Casey earlier. I
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  Speaker 1: was curious about his crazy management and and you guys
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  Speaker 1: are in the cattle business. UM, and you guys both
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  Speaker 1: like our fire obsessed because it could come into like
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  Speaker 1: wipe out, because it could come wipe the program out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think obsessed as I'll take that as a compliment.
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  Speaker 1: We'll say that's a good thing. Are meant is a
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  Speaker 1: good thing? Oh, it's a courage man, like I learned.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that I didn't know recently is we had
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  Speaker 1: a big fire right here and we had friends lose
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  Speaker 1: their homes and stuff. And for a minute we were
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  Speaker 1: kind of on stand by and see if we had
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  Speaker 1: to evacuate, and it was close to a hiking trail,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm running around telling everybody, just no way that
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  Speaker 1: someone flicked a cigarette. That's there was no weather that
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  Speaker 1: I learned that it a lightning strike confessed or in
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  Speaker 1: the ground or in a tree. It was weeks, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: They think that it was a lightning strike from weeks earlier. Like,
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  Speaker 1: how the hell does that happen? We've had that happened
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  Speaker 1: on our place with burning in the fall and in
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  Speaker 1: the winter and then it just goes to the duff
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  Speaker 1: and goes to the roots and then blows up in
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  Speaker 1: March April with spring wind like burning brush and suddenly
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  Speaker 1: there's instant flame and burning. I mean, Casey knows this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it happens all the time. You can have fires at
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  Speaker 1: the last all winter under under the snow, wake up
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  Speaker 1: in the spring out there it is again really because
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  Speaker 1: this is like in plain sight, man, that it must
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  Speaker 1: have just been living in this tree and then erupted
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  Speaker 1: out of the ground. One time I might have talked
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  Speaker 1: about this for but I can't remember. But one time
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  Speaker 1: we were camping hunting elk and we started a fire
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  Speaker 1: and it was that like on a ridge top with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of white bark pine, there's that deep deep duff,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you'd like dig down that ship you
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  Speaker 1: never quite hit like mineral soil, but you try to whatever,
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  Speaker 1: make a fire. And we made a fire, put it out,
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  Speaker 1: like thoroughly put it out, I thought. A couple of
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  Speaker 1: days later, still up hunting, I'm like, that's so weird
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  Speaker 1: that there's some dudes camped and that weird ass spot
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  Speaker 1: where we are camped because it's not like a camp spot,
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  Speaker 1: because I see smoke rising up, and I'm watching the
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  Speaker 1: smoke and like become more aware of the smoke and
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  Speaker 1: more turning around in my head, like what are the
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  Speaker 1: odds of two people would camp there and make a
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  Speaker 1: fire and eventually wander up there and sure enough, man,
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  Speaker 1: it had burned down in the pine Duff and popped
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  Speaker 1: up ten ft away, and then we had to go
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  Speaker 1: in there and just excavate the whole. We had to
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  Speaker 1: take like an evening off hunting and excavate the whole
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  Speaker 1: damn area, trying to put all of our fires out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know some of that stuff. I was on a fire,
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  Speaker 1: the Rice Ridge fire over in Seeley Lake three or
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  Speaker 1: four years ago, and we had I don't know, six
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  Speaker 1: pumps in series that we're just running and you'd wake
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  Speaker 1: up in the morning and you'd spray water on it
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  Speaker 1: pretty much all day and go home. Next morning you'd
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  Speaker 1: come up and it'd be smoldering again. That Duff's. Once
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  Speaker 1: it's got heat, and especially some of this country, it
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  Speaker 1: it'll go a long time. So you know, maybe that
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  Speaker 1: fire is still burning. Maybe there have you been up
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  Speaker 1: there lately to check to see if that campfires all
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  Speaker 1: the ways, It has been about twenty years, so I hope,
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  Speaker 1: I hope by now it's all well. We had another
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  Speaker 1: we had another one that similar thing. It wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: snow and it's tunneled away from us. And then the
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  Speaker 1: reason you can see it is it got like steamy
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  Speaker 1: over in other areas where the fire traveled underground through
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  Speaker 1: the Duff and then started melting up patches of snow
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  Speaker 1: too combust. I've learned a lot of lessons since then. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: is this your first term doing the state. I'm coming
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  Speaker 1: out of my first term running for my second. So
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  Speaker 1: you got a win coming up here, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: fingers crossed. We'll see how it goes. And then how
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  Speaker 1: did it come to be? Like, tell people what the
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  Speaker 1: program you're involved in or the bill you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: do with the right to hunt and fish? Like, what's
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  Speaker 1: that all about? So you know, if I'm not doing
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  Speaker 1: everything else, I guess you should say I'm hunting and fishing,
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  Speaker 1: and that is a big part of who I am.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, we were We've been going back and
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  Speaker 1: forth on setting this up. I was up at Elk
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  Speaker 1: camp all last week and happy not to respond to
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  Speaker 1: any emails or phone calls. Now, did you get a note?
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  Speaker 1: I did you a little five by six bulls? Utah,
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  Speaker 1: It is a lot easier to get them with your rifle.
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  Speaker 1: We'll just say that. But it's it's dark timber up there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in public land hunt. So it was I'm
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  Speaker 1: happy to have that, you know, that done, But that
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  Speaker 1: that's something I've grown up and done my whole life,
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  Speaker 1: and um when I I'm currently the head of us
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  Speaker 1: what's called the Hunting and Fish and Caucus in our
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  Speaker 1: state legislature, and we've sort of been looking at how
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  Speaker 1: do we preserve this legacy, this opportunity into the future.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know what tomorrow is gonna bring. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know what kind of pressures are going to be on
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  Speaker 1: our sport going forward. So if we could codify now
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  Speaker 1: when support is high for these types of activities, for
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  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing, we could put that in our constitution.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe down the road, if perceptions change or public opinion shifts,
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  Speaker 1: there's at least a higher threshold before those sort of
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  Speaker 1: activities could be eliminated or curtailed. So that was sort
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  Speaker 1: of the thinking behind things. But you know, it's common
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  Speaker 1: for people to say that, Um, I don't. People always
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  Speaker 1: say it's a privilege. It's like a part of like
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  Speaker 1: what they teach and hunter safety and stuff. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the balance, Right, it's a a right. I
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  Speaker 1: think the privilege comes in it can be revoked. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you don't follow the rules, you're not up to two
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  Speaker 1: current statute and doing things the right way. Yeah, you can,
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  Speaker 1: that can be eliminated. But at a fundamental level, that
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  Speaker 1: fundamental right level, the opportunity to followed a law and
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  Speaker 1: to harvest something with your own hands. That's what we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to protect. Everything else is subject to statute right
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  Speaker 1: and to limitation by the Division Wildlife Resources or our
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  Speaker 1: state legislature. But to be always guaranteed that if you're
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  Speaker 1: following the law, you can go hunt or fish for
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  Speaker 1: something in our state. That's that was the genesis and
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  Speaker 1: the impetus behind the whole thing. How many states have
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  Speaker 1: the protection I believe right now, and you know some
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  Speaker 1: of this goes back, uh clear back into the founding.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So there are states back east, I believe it's Connecticut
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: if I remember right, or Vermont, um, they're you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: right as they're putting their state constitution together, boom, it
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: was in there the right to hunt and fish. And
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: so we're we're kind of keeping up a lot of
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the states around us have it. You guys have it
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: here Idaho, even California has the right to fish. Now
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: they've you know, really they didn't get the they parsed
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: it out, you know, so and seriously that's dead serious,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: and that's maybe some of the concern that we had
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: when we ran it. You know, like they're already starting
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to say, maybe this isn't they were in the right
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: to fish, You have a right to fish, but you
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: don't have a right to hunt in California. So you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: so bow fishing is that in that gray area, right, Like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that all works, so anyway, but yeah,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: so we're just you know, following great ideas and hopefully
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: adding it to our state constitution. Voters have to obviously
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: adopt it, so it has to be simple majority, simple majority.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: State legislature has to support it with two thirds. So
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it passed in the House and Senate in our legislature
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: with a two thirds majority, and now it'll go to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the people and it just has to you know, plus one. Okay,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I got a whole bunch of questions. But oh so,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: why it didn't pass unanimously? No, what was the argument
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: against passing it so that it was unnecessary? Like what? Yes, yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I mean fundamentally, it's like, well, of course that's always
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: going to be something. Why we don't need to elevate
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: it to the level of a constitutional amendment? And you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I sort of make the argument that you do, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and history and our state would prove so. Um. I
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've talked about it here, but in
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Colorado right now, there's obviously a there is a proposition
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to add wolves, to reintroduce wolves going on in the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: state of Colorado, which has been made a moot point
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: because they've since then, well they've been haggling over this.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: The wolves just showed up on their own. Yeah, so
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: they're there now. But see, in our state, you can't
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: buy a proposition without a two thirds majority make decisions
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: relative to wildlife. So we passed a constitutional amendment that
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: set that threshold. This is in the early two thousands.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And when that ran through, everyone's like, well, this is crazy.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Who would you who even cares? Right? Why would you
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: want this to happen? And it was sort of this
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: argument that it was unnecessary. You fast forward twenty years
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and you look across the state line and you're like, huh, well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: let's they're kind of doing that now. You mean that
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that people are putting like a very simple wildlife management
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to decision that would normally be made by agencies appointed
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to make those kind of decisions. They're putting it like
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to a simple Gayer nay vote, taken science out of it,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and and totally basing wildlife management on public opinion. And
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that was again sort of seen as unnecessary. And so
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you look at this amendment with that as context, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you can say, you know, it's nice just to have
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: this as a safeguard when you've got public opinion on
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: your side, and it's nice to be able to guarantee
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: in our state that right to hunting fish because the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: majority of our population supports it. Now, we don't know
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: where it will be ten thirty years from now. Has
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: there any state ever tried to run one of these
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and lost? I think they have. Yeah, But I believe
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that if we've all the states where it's past with
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: clear majorities, there's there hasn't been any problems. And right
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: now there there hasn't been any big pushback. All the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: major hook and bullet groups in our state are supporting
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: us right now, and there's not any opposition to things.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping we're gonna you know, smooth sale and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: everything will be good. But you know, I don't know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: there's not there's no organized opposition to right to hunting fish. No,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And again any of the any of the concern comes
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: down to why do we need to do this and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: why are we doing now? And that's you know, that's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a pretty good argument that that's beautible. So see how
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it goes. I'm optimistic we're gonna get it passed through
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and uh and I'm you know, one of those people
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that's going to benefit from it. So can you can
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you try to identify a like what would be a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: thing that this could prevent from happening, Like, like what
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: would be an issue if you look at other states
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: or some kind of other rule that's come down, what
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: would be something that this would be beneficial in protecting from.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So one of the provisions is that's added to there.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So we sort of put a box around this. Right,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: we say subject to state rules and a few other things.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: But one of the things that we we guarantee in
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: this is that hunting and fishing will be the primary
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: tool for managing wildlife populations. So if you look in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: back East in particular, where you've got high density of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: white tailed deer for example, um, they're basically paying state
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: agencies sometimes at night, sometimes with other means to to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: eliminate deer because they've got so many. Our amendment says
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing would do that. So if not only
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: do you have the right to take, but you're saying
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the North American model is fundamental to this and hunters
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and anglers are always going to be the primary ones
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: playing a role in how wildlife are managed in our state.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: So that's, for example, one real specific and nuanced thing
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that hopefully this will protect against going forward. Why don't
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you guys roll trapping into that, uh, because we believe
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that that's covered under the statute. So it's harvest take game,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's covered without sort of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the bigger fight that always occurs over that. I I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: out of odd No, I think if you're if you're
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: harvesting wildlife, it's covered, right, And there's always that public perception.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Public opinion drives everything. And while I love to trap,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that's something I grip doing mostly bobcats and beavers, there
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is a pretty strong anti sentiment with that. So if
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you can cover that and preserve that right with basically harvest,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: why have the fight. I mean, there's enough fighting in
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: politics as it is, So if we can we can
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: achieve the same objective without sticking into somebody's eye. Let's
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: do that calling it out now, would it prevent Let's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: just say, if you're following in the tracks of California,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like they've lost the right or ability to use hounds, right, Yeah,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So when it's when something like that comes up, when
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: they're like, well you can still hunt, but you can't
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: do it this way anymore. How does that work? You know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm that's still that honestly, that discretion still applies. Like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: so we're not eliminating the divisions making rules and regulations.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: That's it's all subject to that. But what it would
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: say is maybe you can't use dogs or you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: there's already rules over dogs or bait or whatever on
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: different bears and lions. But the ability, it would what
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it would guarantee is that you could still harvest bear
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: right as long as populations are such and you meet
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: objectives and all those types of things. So it's that's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the root of it that there will always be that debate,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and I think it's necessary, imprudent right about means and methods.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's a natural part of of our sport.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And I think that has to be part of it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But what we're trying to do is is prevent it
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: from being eliminated wholly as an option, which is that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that's what people argue when they argue the death by
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a thousand cuts. Yeah thing, I mean, everybody likes to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: poke fun at California when it comes to death by
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a thousands because it's easy, right, it's it is easy
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to poke fun at calf. Yeah. I had a guy,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like a very high ranking it's a national hobby to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: pull fund of California that's going. But yeah, I had
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a very high ranking person in California's Wildlife department predict
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to me. And he made this prediction a long time ago,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: years ago. He predicted me. He said, uh, we will
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: lose bow hunting next through referendum. And he put it
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that he said, I think in twenty five years it'll
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: all be gone. M h. If you look at in California,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: they did like method to take stuff on mountain lions, okay,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: but eventually just got rid of mountain lion any mountain
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: lion harvest at all by hunters. It's all done now
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: by it's all done on by the state. I mean,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: there's still there's still under damage permits killing several hundred
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: of a year. They're still killing the same amount. The
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: state and agents are killing about as many as hunters
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: used to, but they removed methods before eventually getting round
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to the thing in trapping, like got rid of trapping
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and then went to a thing to be that you
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: can't sell for mhm. So what I'd be more interested
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in is like a piece of protection um or. I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: wish that that the protections you could measure more against
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the death by a thousand cuts thing. H One frustration
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I have with conservation groups, especially once a frustration I
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: have with conservation groups to focus on um habitat issues UH,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: which are very important access issues, is they oftentimes don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: like to get embroiled in the method of take arguments.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So a couple of years ago, there was a thing
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: in this state that was talk about like death by
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: thousand cuts, like the level of specificity. It was no trapping,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: not no trapping, but no trapping on public land mhmm.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: To try to narrow it down to like a little
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: thing that you think you could get They're like, what's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the what's something we could get away with? They got
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: clappered they got clapped, didn't pass it, but it was
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: like so fine tuned to try to make some progress
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: towards getting rid of hunting, trapping whatever. In Maine, it
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: was there's a thing a couple of years ago in Maine,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I think it was getting rid of bait for bears,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: getting rid of hounds for bears, and people would point out, well,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that's the only way people like in in thick flat country,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that's the only way people get bears. So you're effectively
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: ending nine of the bear harvest. But you're not coming
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: out and saying that you're trying to make it an
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: issue about dogs and bait. But we see what you're
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: really driving after. So it would be cool if to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: protect if you if we can make protections that helped
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: also prevent the like just whittling away at people's stuff.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I've never heard in California that the thing has gone
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: anywhere to like band bowl hunting. But this guy had
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: it laid out like how it would be approached, how
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it would be one well, and I think that goes
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to the broader point. As hunters and anglers, we've got
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to be involved, right, Like, there's at my level, there
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: is literally only so much I can do, and we've
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I think we've done that and sort of set the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: table and set a pretty high threshold instead of pretty
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: strong burden of proof. But if you if you like
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to hunting fish and you're not involved in the political process,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be involved for you without you. And so
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that's sort of I think, I know we're kind of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: coming off topic a little bit here, but if if
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you appreciate these opportunities, you better support them the whole way,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and that's through initiatives, that's the ballot box. Heck, if
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you like to hunting fish, maybe you ought to even
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: run for office. You know what ruins hunting and fishing
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: for me? Political service? Yeah, it's it's not getting ready
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: for the legislative session in January really screws up my
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: duck hunt. I'm not gonna lie, but you know, I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: believe in this stuff and it's important to me, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to step up. And I think is as
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: folks like to do that, we've got to be willing
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to make that sacrifice on the front end so that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: this legacy and this heritage is there for our kids.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: When the state's go to do the right to hunt
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: fishing thing. Is there like a is there like a plan?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Like it's a little package they send you to do
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: it in your own state. I mean, how did it
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: come to be that that that came on your radar? Well, so,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: actually I had a buddy that um had done some
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: research work as part of a master's degree, was just
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: sort of compiling data. He's like, hey, we don't have
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: one of these. This ought to be a good thing,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you know. And then I started reaching out to the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: various conservation groups and said, hey, what do you think
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: about this? And know everybody jumped up and down. You
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you want to hear a really interesting committee hearing on
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: politics is largely boring unless somebody says something stupid. I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: think that's sort of the norm. But in our legislature
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and the committee where this bill was presented, when we
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: put this forth, we had like half the room in tears.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: whole political career. The chairman is crying saying I'm going
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: to protect this opportunity for my daughter, like this is amazing,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: for real tears. Like I'm like I'm sitting there presenting
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: on my bill and thinking all I think I got
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: pretty strong support in here because he's crying, and he's crying,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and everybody's telling stories about the bull that came off
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the mountain, you know, and their daughter's first deer and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: those types of things. So, uh, you know that it
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: was a good idea that obviously had a lot of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: support and a lot of political and emotional support, and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: we've run the whole way with it. So has have
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you gotten any well articulated, um, like, any well articulated
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: opposition to it? No? Now, I mean there there are
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: opinions out there, and I would say that the um
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: when folks are saying is this really necessary? I mean,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I they use good words and correct grammar, so I
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: think you could classify it as well articulated. I just
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: don't think it's compelling, and that maybe that's the difference.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna be okay, you know, fingers crossed,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: hopefully the voters in the state of util make the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: right choice. Are those folks. Are those opinions coming from
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: people like our groups like Peter or is it just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: random people that are actually saying, oh really, why why? Now?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's more random. Yeah, you know, even um,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: some of our large groups made society and and Peter
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: like you mentioned that maybe would sort of be a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: catalyst for opposition. They they've largely said no, it's you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: not a big deal, so at least publicly, And that's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: how they're behaving so far. And you know, our ballots
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: are coming out this week and back home, I'm assuming
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that you guys are getting yours here too for mail
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and so and oh man, uh, you know, so we're
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: only what a couple of weeks a couple three weeks
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: before the election, So I think, you know, I think
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: we're going to be okay, but you never know. So well,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that's why I am so happy to be here today,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: and hopefully all the listeners in Utah will be convinced
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: by the compelling argument that I have made on this podcast.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I think you probably we're gonna lose it,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: but now you're gonna win. We'll shocking up to media. R.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: What exactly does it say? It's I mean, I can't
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: gurgitate it verbatim because it's fairly long, but it's basically
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the right to hunt fish will be preserved subject to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: da da da da da da dada. And when you
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: go into when you normally going to do a referendum
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: thing like I'm always guilty of. I'm actually gonna touch
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: on this later because I have to talk about my
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: sister in law way needed more. But um, I'm guilty of.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: As I get down to the to the tail end
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of my ballot, I'm finding out about the things I
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't aware of, Like I'm like home at what I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: have that feeling a lot. It'll be like, uh, what
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: do they call? Uh like some new like very complex
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like tobacco taxation issue? Right, that's how can there be
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: twenty levies that I have to think about right now? Yeah?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm torn between m I always get torn between. Um.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I could sit it out because which is really the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: responsible thing to do because I have no idea what
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it is talking about. Or I could try to like
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: read real quick and make like a snap judgment in
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: order to weigh in. But I feel like I'm just
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: not educated on the issue. And then they have these
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: ballot supplements, right, and the each side gets to like
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: agree on a pro con and it's sort of like
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: everybody agrees that it's a fair synopsis of the issue.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: What did you guys have to go through that process,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: like what's the what's the what's the the why not
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: in the ballot supplement? Yeah, so maybe we're not as
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: cordial back home, Like I I got to present my opinion,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: they got to present theirs, but we didn't like compare
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: notes and song. But they're always very I feel that
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: they're um, they're very I should say that they're very measured.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Like it seems like someone is in there because you
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to be in there, like you know
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: those little flyers you get for candidates. He loves China
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and hates America, right, like that wouldn't be in that
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the They would find another way to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: articulate it. You know. He hates babies. Yeah, no, I
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: we have that same thing, you know. And I do
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: need to say I am grateful that you didn't have
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like a third method, which is like any menimighty mole.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So that's you know, that means you are and I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: might be killed. I might, but the last time I
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: chose c H. I don't want to be predictable. Yeah
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you know, so I we'll just pretend that you're you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: A and B or your only options. But um, we
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: do have that as a smidget. But I'm I'm hoping,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: like before this podcast, you probably didn't know anything about
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: this hunt right and hunting fish in the state of Utah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But what what does your heart tell you? You know what,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: what do you believe? And I'm hoping that there's that
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: little moment in time in the in the ballot box
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: or at the kitchen table when you're filling your circles
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: there it's just a feel good, you know what, boom,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna go with that. That's my hope. There
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: is going to be obviously this and some other sort
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: of orchestrated like here's get out the vote and let's
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: make sure we're supporting this, But at a fundamental level
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: in my state, that's something I think we still cherish,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that heritage, that opportunity. So I think that's going to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: pick up people, you know, or we roll the dice
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: with a P or C. So anyway, well, we'll see
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: how it goes. Do you are are you a career politician?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Were you gonna say something? I was just gonna so
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the language is really clear on your ballot right, what's
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: is there a number associated with us? Like we need
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to advertise this gosh, I think we're g so like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: we're down to the whole yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I shot for a and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't get it, but there's four or five on
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the ballot um otherwise um, But yeah, I I before
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a sleepy voter or for Steve Um cruising through to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the bottom of his ballot. The language is very clear.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: This is the right hunting fish boom and you'll see that.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Hunt it down, hunt it down, and and love America
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and the great State of Utah and support that amendment.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what we're going for. What else throws
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: me on the ballots is when you get down to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the part where you're like voting for a judge but
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem as anyone running against him. I'm always
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: torn too, because I'm like, there there's anybody running against them.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: You might as will make them feel good and write
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: there named out see. But here's here's the thing. At
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that point, it you're not responsible like all those people
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: who were who could have ran for judge and didn't.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: That's where the blame is. So you just go with
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: what you've got before you that that whole who's screwed up?
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Isn't you in the ballot box that point, it's whoever
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you know didn't step up and run, or or maybe
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: it really is just a good judge. Don't don't, don't
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: harbor any guilt on that. That's all I'm trying to say.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: But he's so just like, has such an impeccable career
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: he or she that there's just no one could even
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: remotely challenge. Yeah, that one, that one's not on you
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: just go with it. Just go with it. Do you
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: do you imagine you're gonna become a career politician? Oh, man,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I hope not. Everybody. Don't do the false modesty, false
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: bashful ship. Every politician says that. I'll tell you one
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that didn't, though. I think I remember we had Wyoming's
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: former governor we talked about a minute ago. Matt Meat
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: was on the show once and he was turning out
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: as governor and I was like, so, what are you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: gonna do next? He's like nothing, I'm done doing politics.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, come on, this is like a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: it'll be like a week and you'll be But I
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: think he actually meant it like he quit. He's done,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: unless he pops up. But I mean I was, like
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I thought it was he was doing the old like
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you know, act like keeping a secret or whatever. But
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: it seems like he just full um stop, he's done.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: That's my dream, you know. I want my if if
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: my place could be fully productive in my ranch running,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that's what I want at the end of all this. Like,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: so my wife and I bought our place. It's not inherited.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: We didn't come we both grew up in it, but
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: bought our own place. Uh, that to me is more important,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you know. And I've got a couple of people off man,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: oh man, it's it's Uh. I think I like to gamble,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: but I don't really gamble is not really legal. It's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: not legal in the state of Utah. So I think
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: farming sort of supplements that itch. Uh. But yeah, so
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: that that's for me, the big thing, you know, I'm
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: happy to serve. I actually before I ran for office,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I I made the poor life decisions of working as
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a staffer in politics. So I worked in d C
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: for a little while and when this seat that I
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: currently hold came open, it was like, well, I think
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I could help out. I kind of have been through
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: this mess before maybe I can do a few things,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: but I you know, I'd like to do a few
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: terms and then if there's something else whatever, But my
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: preference would be farming, hunting, and fishing, because this really
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: screws up with the things that I like to do.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: How many, how many of how many of you are there?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: How many people around the state in what the state?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So like, there's only one, Casey Snyder, if that's what
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you're asking, there's only one. Only put in national terms
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: real quick first, since the people understand or help me
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and the listener to understand, like we all know that,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you know, we have whatever three hundred and sixty four
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell it is. Congress congressman congresswomen in washingtond c.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Represent the country, and we have a hundred senators to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: from each state. You could have a state like all
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: states get to a lot of states. You might only
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: have one representative, or the state might like like you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: have twenty depending on population and land mass, I think,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: But then you have your state version, right, and it's
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a way different job. It's way better. I can go
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: home at night and I only have to do this
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: for a couple of months. Yeah, And but I didn't
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: realize it's it's like it's not quite but like it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: almost sort of a voluntary Yeah, like you guys aren't
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: like breaking it in. I only get paid January, February
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and part of March when I'm there, and so everything
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: else is sort of on my my dime. Uh. And
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: even then when you're down there, it's like, you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I probably can stay home and make more money. But yeah,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a pure form of politics the state
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the to serve at the state level. But but I
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: actually think that's a good thing, you know, so so
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: it puts the it changes the incentives. Right, So maybe
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: in d C. If if I'm gonna go make a
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: hundred fifty k, heck, y'all'll run for Congress, right or
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I'll be a senator. And you don't see what happens
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: in the legislature where in our capital when you're making
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: like ten or twelve thousand dollars a year and you
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: got to do this, I bet this takes at least
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: thirty hours a week for me, Like you're gonna do
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it because you legitimately feel like it's service, you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: like I'm not getting rich and and frankly, I doubt
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going anywhere after this. So it's it's literally a
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: chance for me to go and say, hey, neighbors, what's
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: important to you? How can I how can I impact
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: this in a positive way? You know? And and I
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: think that trickles down like how much look at a
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: county commissioner, look at a mayor, look at a city councilperson,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: right like those you're looking at a county commissioner. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: see that's what I'm saying, Like, that's that service, right
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: like and and and and proof of that is? What? What?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: What's your incentive at the end of this. No, it's
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: like I feel like I can make a positive impact
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: on my community. I'm gonna step up and do my time. Uh.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: At the end of this, nobody's gonna know my name.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I I call down the city offices. I represent about
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: seven towns in my little valley, how many about thand
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: decent size. But I'll call the city of Hey and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: they all love me, I'm sure. Uh. But see, I'll
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: call the city office and I'll say, Hey, this is
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Casey Snyder. I'd like to rent a room for the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: afternoon to have a town hall or you know, just
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: talk to some people and they'll be like, Okay, who
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: are you and that's you know, that's a that is perfect.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I love that because then it's like, oh yeah, yeah,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm nobody, but can I borrow the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: room for the night. So do you get um, do
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: you get people in your constituency or super piste at
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the all time? Um? Well, there are people. Clearly they're
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: not a majority because I'm still here right but but yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I I I actually have a file um in my inbox.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Were like, people are super creative when they they're insulting you,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: like some people, it's it is amazing. I'm like, gosh,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I wish I was that smart when I was mad.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I file it away and I read it back to myself,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like, gosh that whenever I'm really
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: pissed at somebody, I'm gonna use this. I'm gonna use
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: email a and all the phrases that were thrown at me.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: That's that's so. Yeah. Yeah, I I tork a few
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: people off shore. I think it's part of the deal.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And you get you get dragged into stuff um that
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you probably don't have any background in though. Uh yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I think there's look, I I know where
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: my lane is. Like if you ask me about cows
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: or hunt and fishing or you know, natural resources generally, yeah,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I think I can articulate an answer, but you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you put me on some of these social issues and
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: like urban housing, it's like, uh, I live on a farm.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Like how am I supposed to know what good state
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: policy is for high density housing? You know? So, yeah
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: that happens. What are you do in those cases? You know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I call an expert, you know what? What Like you
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: find a constituent who's got background in it. You know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you you do your research and you hope you make
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: an educated and informed decision when it's your time to vote.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: The one thing with the legislature or in city government
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: or county government, any form is like you gotta vote
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: like it's yes or no on this and and you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: may not be all the way prepared, but you know
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you can't chicken out like put up or shut up
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: kind of a deal. You're there? Yeah, Well, everybody other
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: people in an exact same situation. You could have someone
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: in your state, someone coming out of a maybe has
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a background in urban development and the weighing and on
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: egg issues, and no one would no one like thinks
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the question right? Well, you know, I think all of
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: us have a good sense for Uh well, I'm I
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: grew up in agriculture, so I have a master's degree
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: in bol I don't know if I can say it
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: on the podcast. Um so yeah, but I think everybody
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: kind of knows, right, Like if you're an expert matter
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: and you you get somebody from downtown telling you how
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to you know, commenting on an agg bill, like somebody
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: with a John Deer hat might step up and say,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: all right, folks, let's let's tell it taste straight. And
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the same thing happens on my end if
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I'm totally out left field on something I have no
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: business or no idea waiting into like somebody's gonna call
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: you out. And so that's the balance, like make informed decision,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: make come up, do your homework, be educated on an issue.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: But no, I'll just make crap up Like that's that's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: poor policy. Do you think there's any um, what do
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you think would happen if someone try to do a
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: right to hunt and fish bill for the US man?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Listen, I bet I can't picture if
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: it would. I bet it wouldn't pass. You know what
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: the I don't know. The most wonderful thing about being
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: in the state legislature is I don't really care what
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: happens in DC, you know, like that world is so
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: screwed up an upside down right now, Like I don't uh,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what's going to pass. So
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the right to hunting fish in the state of Utah,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen there coming up in a
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: few days, thirty days whatever, thirty four days just right
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: around the corner. I had this guy telling us one time,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: there's this this historian, Um, I'm friends with the studies
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like demographics and perceptions of hunting and the way hunting
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: gets covered in media and newspapers and things, and and
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: he was explaining to me that depending on how you
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: word it, Okay, you can word it approval of hunting
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and fishing two Americans in a way that there's overwhelm
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: laming approval m. So basically to the effect of if
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you go to Americans and you say, um, do you
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: support like regulated hunting and fishing and formed by you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: biological input about wherever? Okay, and really sup it up
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: lay the whole thing out. Support of hunting actually is
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: higher now than it wasn't the eighties. The minute you
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: put any particular to it, it starts to fall apart. Well,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: any like any little deep if the minute you add
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: a detail like um, you know whatever, you go like,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: do you support you know, hunting deer or the boat. Also,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: it's just like it just goes off like people sort
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: of they're like, yeah, I get it at a high level,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I get it, but don't I don't. I don't like
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the little nitty gritty's. I don't like like things that
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: spell out like what exactly I'm saying I support? Why
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: don't we have this conversation before I ran my memy?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You know, like, how do how do I know if
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: through the eyes of history this is I wrote the
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: right thing down on the belt. We should have talked
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: before I know I went to all that. I think
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: you should have gone crazy crazy strip because in your
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: state yet strike while the iron's high, and like you
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: have a state that has that, Like it's very I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: would from a distance, I would say it's like very supportive. Yeah,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: we're red. We're very supportive of hunting and fishing rights,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: very supportive of gun rights, right, So I would be
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: doing crazy stuff right now to lock it in, and
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'd have a trapping bill man. You know,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I the legislative session is starting here at the end
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: of January. If you want to talk about anything to
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: move down there and run many what do you guys make?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: You know, you might want to take a lot of
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: zeros off of that, but you'll, you know, go with that.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Uh again, how many state legislator legists? Why can't I
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: say this word where it's a legislator legist. I'm a
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: legislator serving in the legislat churches? Yeah, so how many
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: of us are there? And I think they're hunting for
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: so on that senators and and representative. So I'm I'm
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: just a lowly representative. I'm not a you know, a
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: mighty senator like they across the hall over there. But
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you know, in your terms up, you just finished your
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: first term. Yep, did anybody challenge you in the first time?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: So I had an opponent in so I'm a Republican.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I had a Democratic opponent. Um, I have another Democratic
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: opponent this fall. Um. The Galhorana gets me last last
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: fall is she's awesome she's a really great lady. She's
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: actually the Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor our ticket. Um,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you guys ain't going to smear you guys, you know,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and you can't paign for she probably you know, it's
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: a toss up hood on a better job. Clearly we
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: believe a different things. She's a lot nicer than I am,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, um, but we had a great race. I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I won about the vote down there. So we're my
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: little part of the world's very conservative. Um, I have
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: another lady who's running against me this year, and I
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm optimistic will be okay. But either way,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I the way I like to do things back home
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and in Cash Valley where I'm from, is you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: we look, we've got to get along. And I clearly
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: have a set of things I believe in. But I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: think there's there's good people and good ideas in the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: whole world and I I I feel like, um, one
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: of the things that I did in my last race.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you want to go off
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: on this tangent. It's a little bit of a tangent. No,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: if it has to do with um. Uh, this is
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: like to Get out the Vote episode. Yeah, let's just yeah,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: let's go. And it has to do with how part
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: is in politics has rippen the country part. But then
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: someone can point to an area where it's not. That's great, Okay,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: we'll go with that, where the world's where the whole
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: country is not gonna burn alive. And you know, so
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: one of the things that was really important to me
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: was that it's you know, in the face of what
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I think is, uh, we should all be embarrassed about
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: where the state of our current national politics are. We
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: should all legitimately be embarrassed. And so when I ran
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: last session, I actually wrote an editorial that basically said this,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the person running against me is a great person. And
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: you look at all the stuff that she's done. She's
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: done a fabulous job. She she pushed for some propositions
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: that passed, and they were they were um fundamentally motivated
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: because she lost. It was on healthcare, and she lost
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: her mother to cancer and watched that happen and watched
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: all the money she had to spend. So she was
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: advocating from a real position, and she did a really
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: good job. And we may have differed on the particulars,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: but she was sincere in her beliefs, and that's what
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I articulated, and I said, look, we are She's a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: good person. We just have a different, fundamental different view
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: on some key issues, and that's the difference. And like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: why can't we just talk about these differences or or
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: heaven forbid, find ways to weigh through those differences in
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: a way that's going to be beneficial to our to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: our whole community, you know. And that's I feel like
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: we've stepped up and done that in our little part
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: of the world. I don't believe at a fundamental level
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: politics has to be a zero sum game. I think
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: we let it be that way, and I think we're
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: letting national leaders create this narrative that it's us against them,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and I don't think it has to be that way.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I think you can literally stand on your principles and say, look,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: this person, I do not disagree or I do not
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: agree with them on all these issues. There's probably a
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: whole bunch we do, there's probably whole bunch of we don't,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: but that doesn't change who they are as a person.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I think we've got to get past where we're at now.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: So if you're getting out to vote, or you're supporting
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: a candidate or whatever you're doing. Like, let's in your
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: own neighborhood, in your own way, and you know, county
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: council or whatever you're doing. I let's push that debate.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: That that's a ground swell I'd like to see is
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: where we start treating each other like Americans, like people
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and just have debates about issues, not about right now,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: all we do is have it's about who we are.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: It's a waste of everybody's time. I have a six
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: year old in a six month old, so little little guys.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: The thing I've been a little bit struggling um in
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: conversation with my kids is if you're like I might
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: be dismissive about a viewpoint that someone else would hold
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: in conversation and they pick up on it. Uh. I
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: now am oftentimes like when something some issue comes up,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I'm oftentimes trying to explain to them, like that person
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: believes what they believe with the same level of passion
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: that like you believe what you believe, Like you have
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: to try to get into this mindset of like when
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: you don't agree with someone, they're coming from something that
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: feels is real to them and it's not and you
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: can't always just have it be that they're dumb and wrong, right, right,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: And it's a way bigger thing than that. They're like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: they're dumb and wrong, and they're telling you something that
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: fundamentally they know. They would tell you they know inside note. Yeah,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and they thought that they've approached every possible way and
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: have come to this decision. Yeah. Weirdly we got into
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: this most recently around and this was like I almost
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: hesitate to bring this up. I'll fill this out. We
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: don't need to talk about it. We're talking about the
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: nine eleven hijackers to get to like to get into um,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: if if you had somehow been able to like converse
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: with those individuals, their articulation of what they thought they
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: were doing and what they thought they were trying to accomplish,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even you wouldn't even be able to approach it,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: but they would have something that they would tell you
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: that they had arrived at and like the key and
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: even understanding something that's just like an absolute what we
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: would argue is like absolutely evil, absolutely wrong, the antithesis
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of everything we believe in, everything we stand for. There
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: would still be deep down there some like explanation that
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that person held, and you're never gonna combat it or
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: understand it without like taking the time to like like
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: to try to at least understand where someone's coming from.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: If not, it's just like you do, you don't, you
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: wind up with a sort of a superficial understanding of
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: even the people you disagree with, like with me, Like like,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: for instance, if I'm uh in an engagement with someone
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: who let's say it's someone who opposes the right to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: hunt and fish, you know, how would I ever be
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: equipped two combat that? If I did never asked like
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: what exactly, I'm like, Oh, they just don't want us
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: to have fun? Right, are you really gonna get anywhere? Well?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: And I think it's how much easier it is to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: say you're evil or you're bad. I mean extreme examples aside,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: let's just that was a horrible example. We'll go into
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: a narrow space about how do you get fishing? Yeah,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about my example. Oh, man, I know,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I want to go deep. I say, it's a horrible example.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It's an extreme example. But I think in that case
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: being I like it came up through I don't want
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: to bory with how the subject came up at dinner.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: This is what's your kids? They because they know about
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: to the site. Well, it's my ten year old, they know. Man,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: there sounds like they're pretty well informed kids. Well, I
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: mean the older one knows that that was the thing
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: that I mean at this point, like people know that
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: that happened one day. And uh, it's an extreme example.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: But it's like with kids, you sometimes have to have
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: extreme examples. It came up, yeah, and it's it's a
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: lot easier to just say this. You know this this
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: person they disagree with my right to hunting fish. They're
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: they're dumb, they're evil, they're stupid. You know, like how
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: am I cheesier? Is that to say? Then? You know,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: they have an opinion, and it's probably based on experience
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: or fundamental belief in whatever they believe in. And you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I mean some of this stuff. Majority rules, right, that's
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: kind of the the are how our systems taken take
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: shape and how it runs anyway, so wins and so
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: can have a strong opinion and they're probably gonna lose
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to the majority, right, Like that's just that's the sad
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: part of politics. But the other side of that is
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and how you debate and how you engage, that's the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: part you can control. You can still advocate strongly for
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: your position, whatever it is, and push for your belief
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, but you don't have to do it
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: at the expense of somebody else's opinions. And that's I
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: think where we should all shift fundamentally as a as
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: a country. But a body day sent me a text
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: exchange he was having with someone from Peter and I'm
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: reading through the tax exchange and it winds up towards
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: the end it takes on this tone of like really
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: we're talking about the same thing, like surprising how much
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: we sort of care about the you know, like that
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: from engagement that would be like okay, now, uh what exactly,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: like what's the problem right, you know, instead of like
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: not not all the you know, just like a debate.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I run it all time, Like when you hear from people,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: if if we get notes, some people who are just mad, right,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: they're just mad. Oftentimes even opening up, even creating the
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: feeling that there's a conversation people get, the stress level
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: goes down in correspondence with people, I believe, you know
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: what one of my favorite things to do is so
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: if I get a really let's let's say I get
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: an email that's really is is nasty and mean but
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: not creative, right, so I can't file it away to
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: use later. But it's just I could tell these people
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: are torked off at me. I will find them in
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: a creepy way, right, but like with the Google or whatever,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: use use the white pages. I will go and find
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: out where they live and I'll just knock on the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: door and be like, Hi, I'm Casey Snyders. We've actually
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: never met in person before, but we've you know, had
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: correspondence through email. Let me hear your concern and I've
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: had You would be shocked, like the most angry, ardent
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: person through whatever form of communication. When you're there face
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: to face and just being like, tell me what's on
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: your mind, they'll go and and half the time it's
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: like looking down at their feet and like, you know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I was just a little upset and it was late
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: at night, you know, and whatever. But it's just that conversation.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: It's just talkative people. You figure it out. That stuff
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: does give me hope, man, Yeah, I should that when
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: all this whatever this is, COVID has made it bad too.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Everybody's cooped inside going crazy, so your mind runs away
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: with you. Man, I'll talk about it the r day.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Is that all I hear about is how we're all
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: going to kill each other and hate each other. But
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: then when I go about my day, I just have
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: like really like positive and like I understand, like how
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: could I still be getting away with having really positive interactions?
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing something wrong. Like I just
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: go through, like I just run into people. I don't
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: know if something due at the boat launched, I'm like, hey,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you want a wall? Yeah? Man, how
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: is that possible? He'll get there, get We didn't even
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: like fight about anything, you know. I think politics is terrible.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: People are good fundamentally, and I think we'll get there.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Let the cameras come off of whatever is happening over there.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: That's why I say, I don't even care about that.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I'll just focus on what I could control back home.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Let the cameras come off. I think fundamentally we all
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: like each other, even if we're like really really mad
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: at each other right now, That's what I think. Anyway,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: we'll see. I could be wrong. I was reading. I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: can't remember who it was a person in healthcare policy
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: predicting that one COVID ends. I don't know if they're
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: just saying this because we still thinking, but there's gonna
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: be sort of this, uh that, this sort of collective
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: hug and niceness. Let's go with that, man, let's go.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, but I like it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I like it. You know, we had a little glimmer
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: that back home, so our cases were pretty low, and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: our county decided to have the County Fair, you know,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: and it was just we're still going to go forward
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: with it, and in person, yeah, yeah, we still we
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: in Cash County. We still had the fair and the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: rodeo and everything else. And there was no spike, you know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: at the end of it, everything, no changes, no changes science. Yeah,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: we we didn't let the carneys in, so you know
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: that there was no fairs stuff, so that was a change.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: But like it was the fair. I love the fair.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: It felt like I wanted I walked around the fair.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, just the fact that we had the fair,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to give people a hug, just
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: be like, you know what, it's so good to see.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: It was like kind of normal, So I think you're
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I think your health, budd He's right. You know, if
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: if my little fair was any indication about like peace
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: and love because we had a little bit of normalcy,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I think let's go with that. Let's say he's gonna
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: be right. I fear that we'll forget how to do it,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: like how do you do it? Like how do you
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: go like that, We'll forget like how to just go
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: be around people, forget how to enjoy a live concert. Yeah,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: like like that you'd go into a bar and I'd
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: be like, why is this dude like breathing on me?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Or you know, like I don't like I don't even
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: go into places, you know what I mean? Like I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: don't do like extra stuff. I do the things that
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I deem kind of necessary, but I don't do um.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of like extra exposure stuff
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to have to go. I don't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: want to have to have someone call me and tell
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: me I got a lay low for two weeks in
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: my house. That's like what I'm worried about. You'll be
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: all right, You'll be all right. It's like, I mean,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the cliches ride a bike, right, like I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: think it's a lot easier just to be nice than
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: it is to ride a bike. I think you'll be
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: all right. I think you won't. You'll that fist bump
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: will come right back, like, you'll be beyond all right.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: You'll do it with so much more exubera. It's like
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: if you hadn't rant a bike for two years and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: you get on and you're like, oh, this is fun.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Pedal pedal, pedal, stand up. Yeah, Like it feels so
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: good to have this drunken man spitting into my face.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know where you're going when when this COVID
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: thing is over, you might be a different places, alright,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: So turn our attention now to the I don't know
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: if you realize this is a very bipart Is it
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: a fair because wan It is um uh county commissioner
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: who's a d But that's a county commissioner. So I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: think different states to you, guys aren't in competition with
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: one another. But think Casey and I have. Yeah, I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: think our values probably aligned. I would tell I want
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody couple things because here's my
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: primary issue with I. I approaches different ways with Wanita
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: is upcoming election one was that I would just tell people,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: because it's in Missoula County, how many people live in
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Missoula County. Our census hasn't been done of a hundred
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: nineteen thousand. Maybe it's a sizeable constituency, second largest county
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: in Montana. We're kind of a big deal. Billings and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: number one, I thought about taking this two different approaches.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I was gonna tell people it doesn't matter anything about
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: any detail about wine, it doesn't matter. Just go down
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: the ballot, get to the bottom mid probably mid range.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I do know where they're putting it down way low.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Go down there, look for Juanita, look for Vero, vote Vero,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: use alliteration, vote Vero. Go down to the bottom, find Vero,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: and just check it. Under the assumption that most people
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: who vote in Missoula County aren't getting that far on
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: the ballot. Nothing to gives Missoula. But I just know
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: from my own habits. I often, like I said, I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: peter her out towards the end, Like you get there,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, the president, senators, like you're
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: all excited, and then you know a lot of people
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: just kind of leave it off. Right, What do you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: think of this strategy, so I wanted to do where
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I just told people to go find Juanita. The details
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: didn't matter, nothing about her mattered. Just find her as
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: a favorite to me, vote vero, check the box. But
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: then I came around and I thought that I wanted
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: to share like greater detail, fantastic one. Eeda lives in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you call your house, I need
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: to lives where you She lives on the ranch where
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: she was born. That's that I was a month old.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: My my folks were working on another ranch for a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: year before they came back to the ranch. But your
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: grandfather lived there and my great grandfather. Okay, so she
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: lives where her great grandfather lived, all right on the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: county yep Okay, same county. She lives where her great
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: grandfather lived. Her grandfather lives. And you were born on
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: some other ranch but then moved there for a month.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: And you live in kind of like a like a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: ca I don't know what the hell? What do you?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: What do you tell people? You live in my great
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: grandmother's banks, my great grandmother's cabin with a lot of bats. Yeah,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: not far from Rice Ridge. Where you where you were
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: in City Lake? Wanna is her property, which it's like
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Wan need his family, like Holy owns the property. But
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the property where you live, UM is in the black
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: man is your program. It is one of one of
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: the early early block management. My grandfather was was part
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: of of bringing that to the western part of the state.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Because I think block management, Yanna, you can check this.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I think block management started on the eastern side first
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: in Montana, but came over to the west side. So
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: my my, my grant, we had problems. The story goes,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: oral tradition goes, we had problems with people cutting our fences,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: trust passing, shooting horses, what have you driving around causing
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: health you know. Um. And my grandfather decided to take
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: some of that management into his own hands. And so
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: he was running around with his mother's purse gun and
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: his in his glove, like shooting at people he thought
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: were we're trust passing or we're hunting, not how he
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: wanted them to be hunting, which is problematic. So with
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: a how up of a neighbor who is a little
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: more of a statesman, UM and working with our game warden,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: UM figure out that this is better too involve the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: public and to have this block management program where people
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: are a little more investing because it's walking only too.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: So if you're walking in, you're not driving. It's a
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: different type of hunter. I don't hunt or fish. What
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I mean you don't fish? Oh okay, well I fished
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: with many times. Well I need to when fishing likes
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: to uh dispatch the fish. Yeah, because I don't. I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: don't want to. I'd rather die quickly. Man. You watch
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go off here. You watch a little perch
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: that's been like frozen for like four hours suddenly come
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: to life and your sink as you're scaling it. Yeah,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: there's a bad Yeah, not good. She doesn't like if
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: you thought fishing people like fishing. The boat and it's
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: flopping around in her mind would be like if you
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: had a deer flopping around in your car, put it out,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: put it out of it. You got to put it out. Yeah,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: you're the mercy killer, undersells her hunting and fishing credentials.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: I am. I'm constantly reminded that I'm not from a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: fishing culture as well, from both these two and and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and and my nephew reminds me of that because I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have the feel, you know, the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: hook goes all the way into the fish, like in
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: its guts. Before I decided, before you're aware of this,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: before you're aware of the fishes presence on the other
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: end of your line, So you're but so yeah, so
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: back to the block management. It was just this really
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: beautiful arrangement where you'd have fish, wildlife and parks and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: er and game more and do the management of the folks.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: My grandfather wasn't running around trying to shoot at people.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: People were respecting the landscape, respecting um the access and
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: uh not tearing fences. And of course there's also some
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: self policing going on too, which was really great because
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: you have other hunters out there. They're watching there are
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: other hunters you know, and make sure everyone's following the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: rules and so um so we've had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: success with our block management program. We don't have to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: um you know, it's it's open to the public. You
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: don't have to tell us, you don't have to get permission,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to call us or sign up or
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  Speaker 1: any of that. It's it's I mean, you have to
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: park with appropriate places, but you don't have to sign
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: you have to sign in. I guess no not, there's
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  Speaker 1: no sign in black management just for people to understand
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: black management. It's a horrible name. God bless who ever
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: came up with it, But black manage it's a public
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: access program. It's like one of those names that no
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: one would ever know what you're talking about. Well, you
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: look at like the icon. There's there's a you know,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: a hunter with a rifle shaking hands with our great
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: icon icon speaks at all the rancher shaking hands at
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: a hunter. But yeah, black manages a public access program.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: So point being, you live in a place that is
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: that on a black management you, Um, when you got
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  Speaker 1: married to my brother, you got married to my brother
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: within sight of the bones of your grandfather intentionally, yes,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: buried in the family plot. It's not a plot to pasture.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: But like a pile of rocks, yes, yes, we put
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: a pilot rocks on top of him. Yes, like right
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: there on the property. And oftentimes I know that my
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: wife told me this. You never told me this. But oftentimes,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: when you have a decision to make, is it true
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: that you go out ship? Yeah, don't talk about this, No,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: someone just a couple of days ago, is that you
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: know ed Robertson from Mountain Prairie. Anyways, it was asking
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: me the same thing. But yes, I do. Your wife
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: is very observant. I wanted it goes out to visit
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: the bones of her grandfather when she needs to make
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: a decision. Yes, and even when my brothers off hunting
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: on their anniversary, wanted to get dressed in her wedding
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: dress and goes out and sits on the rock where
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: she married my brother by herself. To be fair, his
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: brother's only missed one anniversary this year. This year we've
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: we celebrate, you know, our anniversary, put the dress on,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: get the same bouquet, some champagne, We take our vows
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: and and friends whoever's around, we stomp out to our
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: wedding rock and you know, reevaluate our vows and uh, yeah,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: that's great. And this year COVID and uh it was
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: like goats mount I don't know, some some hunting season issue.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: So my husband couldn't be there with me, so I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: was at the rock by myself. I knew it was
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: going to happen. But yeah, yeah, point being I think
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: all that I'm only bring this out like I'm not
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: even to get into um how generous you are and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: how well, no, now that, but how um you're a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: wonderful aunt to my kids without any fanfare. Doesn't like kids,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: kind of lets the kids understand that she doesn't like them,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: but within that they love her because they know there's
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: no bullshit like that's a mean lady. But I like
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: her because she takes me horsebriding, gives me snacks. I
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: could tell that she's got like a like you know, yeah,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: there's a threshold there. She's cool about it. I get it.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: I love her more for it. A wonderful aunt, like
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: I think you're a great aunt. That's that's really kind
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: of you. A thing I'm pointing out all this um,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: your generosity, compassion. Let me tell you this is my
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: favorite wanting to story. I need to get talking about
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: when you got your car crash is just making you uncomfortable? Well,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm crashing the guy. Okay, a guy destroys
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: waned his car. He turns out he doesn't even have
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: a driver's license. There has no insurance or something has
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: no insurance. No insurance. I'm on the phone with Juanita
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: being like, well, how are were you going to go
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: about sticking it to him, right, what are you gonna
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: do to go after him to get your money out
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: of him? She has interrupted our call because he's calling
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: her because she had called him to check in on
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: him and make sure he's okay. Yeah, that was I've
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: never been in a car accident before. She took pity
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: on the dude that killed her car. Yeah, but it
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: was super icy Rhodes Highway two hundred, all three of
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: you know what, um, super icy roads, and this pickup
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: truck just slid right into my face. Um it was, yeah,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: And then she made it her responsibility to pursue to
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: make sure he was all right. I'd never been in
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: a car accident before. I mean, this is my home road,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: and um yeah, um, I couldn't get out of my car.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: I had to like crawl it through the windows. And
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: everything's dark. You know. I was worried, you know, it's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: pitch black. I was worried that, um, someone's gonna hit
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: my car, which is black and very small on a
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: dark highway. And got out of my car, and then
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I was wondering where I was supposed to go because
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: someone's gonna hit my car. And I was worried that
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: I was gonna get hit again. Um, someone came and
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: pick me up. And then we turned around to go
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: find the guy who hit me because I wanted to
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: make sure that they were okay. And uh the first
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: thing we did was when we saw each other, we
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: gave each other a big hug. And I value that
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: so much, not just because now we're talking and we're
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: in COVID, this is it just happened almost a year ago,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: but uh yeah. And then he worked up in Seeley Lake.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: He yeah, and he was telling me he didn't have insurance,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, keep quiet because there's other
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: people around. But we were just so grateful both of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: us were okay and and uh yeah, and I didn't.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I know he had stuff going on and tough gig,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: and I was, I have insurance, he doesn't, and I'm not.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna go get insurance. I don't. I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: don't need to say I can tell you one thing
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. Yeah, we we and we we kept
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: in touch, but there was no need to wreck his
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: life and mean, man, he's my neighbor. Like yeah, point being,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I think when I just want to implore people, and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: this is the only this is only of the three
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: hundred how many million people are in America right now,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: sixties some. I was just gonna say, read at three
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: several hundred million individuals in America, one thirty thousand of them,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: we'll encounter your name on the ballot. Vote Vara, And
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not getting into the I don't even
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: know what the hell the issues are in your county.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: I don't really care. But I know that, um, in
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: terms of how you conduct your life and the connection
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: you have to the land where you live and your
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: compassion for the landscape and the people around you, I
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: have a feeling, I'm saying this to the voters out there,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that you will take your responsibilities
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: seriously and do well by the individuals who put their
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: faith in you to make good decisions. You're gonna make
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: me christ. Yeah. So when you go to vote, go down,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: and like that's your person. Nothing to say bad about
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: the person running against you, But that is who I
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: want if I was living in that damn county, That's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: what I wanted from my county commissioner. That's that's well said.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: And um, I can't I can't disagree with you, and
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's like what case he was saying earlier,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: we're talking about our local politics. It's it's not what
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: you hear at the national level, like our our local issues.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just this is community members looking
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: out for each other. This is the decisions we make,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: is to make our community better place to live and
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: raise our kids. I don't even have kids, but I
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: care deeply about all of your kids and kids and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: yeah that we have here. It sounds so corny, but um,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: so corny, but cares about kids in the way that
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: going out fishing, she would say, Um, what are these
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: little people supposed to eat all day? No one has
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: considered this something like that. Yeah, that's that's fair. Also, selfishly,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I like to eat, and so I was wondering what
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I was going to be eating too. So yeah, no,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: it's um. And Casey alluded to this earlier. This is
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: an honor and it's a huge responsibility. Case is not
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: doing this for money. Um, and uh, it is just
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: a it's a it's an honor. And when you really
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: love a place, and I you know, you love Utah
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: and I love Montana and even more Missoula County. The
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: more I learned about it. Um, it's uh, yeah, it's
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: an honor to be asked. So I was appointed and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: then UM, so now I have to run to finish
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: two get another term. Um and uh yeah, when you
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: feel ready and folks believe in you and like like
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: you've said, UM, yeah, it's it's pretty exciting to take
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: that step. Yeah. I think it's helpful to you to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: talk about right now, just to have a couple I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: wanted to have a couple of people in um who
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: have issues, but just in some way help bring up
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: the idea that like the people involved in politics and
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: like when you go to vote that um, thankfully, there's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: just it's individual like it's individual Americans. Uh, for the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: most part, I would venture to guess individual Americans who
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: are hoping to like do a good job. Absolutely absolutely yep.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: So on November three, whatever day after the election, you
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: can do it right now, and when are in flames,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: when our cities are in flames, we'll look back on
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: this conversation today and try to remember there there are
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: some there's good folks out there working for us, and
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to remember that. And again, it's
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: it's it's local like forget about the national noise and
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: and remember the yeah the action rubber meets the road
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: locally and county commissioner. Honestly, I don't think it really
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: matters what party were from. I mean, it's we deal
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: with such a broad range and whether it's someone complaining
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: about neighbors dogs versus like our you know, what's the
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: correct pavement recipe, um to to our budget? You know, Um,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a broad broad range. Yeah. I follow
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: along on Instagram. It seems like when you post some
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: stuff about being a commissioner, you're always like off doing
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: like things that you probably never thought you'd be learning about. Right,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: But workings of a county it's fantastic and and it's
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: weirdly like the ranch. You know. It's like the ranch,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: you know, it's this amazing place. Your ranch probably the
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: same thing. It's like there's never enough you know, JB.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Weld and duct tape and bailing twine to like hold
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: the place together. But somehow it works. And Missoula County
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: it's amazing staff and amazing engage citizens who who really care,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: and um that's what that's what makes it special. Um,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm I'm man and we've got some crazy challenges
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: to deal with because we're a large county in a
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: complicated county. Um and yeah, we have urban Missoula, which
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: is very different from a largely like rural the rest
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: of the county. I mean you spent time up and
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: see the lakes. Yeah, it's um, there's some tension there.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: And but that's why I yeah, I think that this
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: particular commission of which I'm part of, I think we
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: represent that tension well in in a in a positive way.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Um and uh yeah, I think we can demonstrate some
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: can do and even a little joy, which isn't a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: word you hear and politics at all. Well, I wanna
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: um again, thank you guys both for coming on. I
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to zero Missoula County Commission. This is your first
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: up as you got appointed. Now you gotta go win. Yeah,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: this wasn't on my radar at all. I mean, Casey,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: you've been you've been in the scene for a while.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: This was this came out of left field for me.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: It makes a series of poor decisions and then you
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: end up with a bad opportunity and oh yeah you
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna be governor? No? No, no, I
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: like where I live. Yeah, that's right. At a certain point,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: you gotta go somewhere. Yeah, if you won't move to
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: live with my brother, I'd be dismayed to become a politician.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's better than my brother. And
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Casey Snyder, who's up for re election. Is the a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: term limit where you're at tell people your district it's
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: House District five, Cash Valley, cash Valley from the Mountain
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Man era cash. Absolutely, yeah. Jim Bridger loved it. And
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: I live in Paradise, which is aptly named you know,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: so so you can do two boats here because you
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: can find Casey Snyder fifth district, so all five you
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: or thirty thousand fighting five and that and that spread
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: out community. And then also in Utah, go find your
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: right to hunting fish thing and vote. It's yes, correct, correct, Yes,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: you want yes, you want to be able to hunt
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: and fish. And if you're in one of the majority.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: The majority of states doesn't have such protections. So I
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: hope that other people will be inspired to um with
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: their free time, get that rolling in the other states,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: and I look forward to a national version. There's a
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: movement starting right here right now. I can feel it.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Right to hunt, fishing trap right right, and run hound
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: dogs right. What was the other things, Yeah, archery, hunting bears,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: bait bears, chase lions. All right, Thanks guys, I appreciate
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: you coming out. This is the bipartisant get out vote issue.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: We've introduced you to a Democrat, we've introduced you to Republican.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't for COVID, I'd make you guys hug.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: That'd be like they did a fist bump. Boom, they
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: did a fist bump there. It is partisanship ripping a
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: part of America right here on our podcast studio. Thanks everybody,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you,