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PODCAST: Episode 867 - Paolo Gregoletto on Trivium’s New EP Struck Dead · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  There is some pressure, but also it is good for us to like, be
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  willing to kind of like if we will do like a singular EP that
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  we could do it now with the studio that we have set up.
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  And also it could reach like the quality level that it needs to
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  be. I feel like before the idea of
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  just doing a single was like kind of trickier because I'm
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  like, we don't like, you know, we don't do fake drums.
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  We don't like rely on people to write stuff for us.
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  So like for what other bands are able to do quicker, I'm like, we
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  just don't want to do that. So it takes a little bit more
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  effort, but because we built the studio and have it to spec every
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  way we want, it's like, well, we can go from writing to recording
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  to getting it out a lot quicker. Basically it's like as long as
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  it's up to our standard, the turnaround is a lot quicker for
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  us. So that that opens up a lot of
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  possibilities. What's up, everybody?
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  It's Kifi at ghostcoldmag.com again, and I am here with our
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  pal Paulo from Trivium. How you doing?
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  I'm doing great. I think we could say pals.
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  I think we could say pals. We met before.
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  We've talked before. I've interviewed Corey a few
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  times over the years. I'm so stoked to talk to you
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  today. Killer.
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  Yeah. Killer.
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  Nutrivium EP coming out for Halloween.
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  Struck dead. Lots of fits.
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  For Halloween, I had never even thought about that.
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  I'm like, oh. Perfect.
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  And even even the artwork is so eye-catching.
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  Yeah, I loved it. You know, like some bands do
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  covers EPS and misfits things and creepy spooky things.
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  But like, I think this is appropriate for the.
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  Yeah, I totally like the Halloween part of it was like
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  kind of like a coincidence. Like I we had no idea when it
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  would be coming out. So I'm like, now I'm thinking
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  about, I'm like, man, that totally worked out.
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  Perfectly right on such a killer record.
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  Obviously the first record since The Court of the Dragon, which
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  was the Ghost Call album of the year of 2021.
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  Wow. That was.
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  Thank you. We got a quote from you via Adam
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  Splitter PR that was very nice to put in our coverage.
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  So we love that record. I would, you know, kind of a
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  mild surprise because it was in a, you know, like kind of after
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  the play gear and yeah, tough time to put a record out.
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  But, you know, you were one of the first bands back with new
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  music and touring and stuff, which we were really happy
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  about. So yeah, man, a new EP And I
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  remember from the last time I talked to Corey about the last
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  record, he was like, you guys tend to since you've done kind
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  of the hanger in that. Yeah, You know, streaming
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  pandemic error, you guys tend to write, and maybe this has just
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  been a thing and we didn't know, but you tend to write quickly
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  when you're ready to make music, you do it quick, you write
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  record, bang, bang, bang. So I assume this is more of that
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  process. Yeah.
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  So like really the only thing kind of holding us up for
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  recording was like the actual construction of that, the not
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  the hanger, but like the actual studio part of it.
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  So we had to start with the upstairs, the live room that we
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  had to move to the big control room and, you know, tons of
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  material, tons of work. So we started with the initial
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  idea of doing a single and we're going to release that during
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  this tour cycle. And then it became 3 songs.
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  And then it was like maybe that's the beginning of the next
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  record. And then we were just like, as
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  we kind of, we're listening, we're like, this feels like a
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  good thing on its own. And by the time we were going to
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  start writing any other new stuff, it would have been like
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  literally like almost seven or eight months later.
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  And it just felt like that was going to be too long of a gap.
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  And we wanted to kind of keep the writing and the vision,
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  vision, the themes, whatever we're like coming up with for
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  the next record. We wanted that to be a little
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  closer in time and also give us time to really think like what
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  we want to do with that. Because this we were just
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  literally like, we're rehearsing ascendancy and we're going to
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  like take a couple days in between rehearsing that we're
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  going to write stuff and we're bouncing back and forth.
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  So this felt like a good thing to just be its own.
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  We could be a little bit more fun with the art, creative, get
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  a little more colorful, all those kind of things.
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  It was kind of like a testing the studio and just put an EP
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  out, see what what that's like for Trivium because we've never
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  done anything like that before. Right on, and I know there's
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  been a couple of one off singles and Matt has some stuff and and
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  his side bands, but like it's super cool thing.
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  I think like it, you know, there's sort of AI think the
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  music culture right now. It's like the availability of
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  music is amazing, but the sort of the, I think the unintended
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  pressure to constantly put out stuff, I think I know that the
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  streaming people want that. I think fans are willing to
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  wait, like trivia. Yeah, willing to wait for
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  something to come out. Like, it's not like, oh, where
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  it's been 4 years. Like, no, no, like, we're cool.
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  This is going to be a great little thing to tide us over
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  until the next thing you know. No, I agree.
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  I think like that is kind of like the nature of things now
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  where it's like you kind of feed the beast a little bit with the
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  streaming services and especially like the playlist,
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  they definitely prefer the new releases.
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  Like, you know, you could tell it was changing and even within
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  the last the last album or or so where it was like, okay, once
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  you've like put the record out, like that's kind of the end
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  point where like, okay, putting out singles after this is kind
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  of almost like not going to work the same as it used to when it
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  was in the beginning. It was like, okay, there's kind
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  of a period where it's just like you put a couple out before,
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  maybe at the release and then maybe one or two after.
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  And it definitely seems to have flipped around a bit.
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  And who's to say that won't change at some point?
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  But I kind of think what you said is right is for fans of our
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  band, I think people are willing to wait.
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  And I also think there is some pressure, but also it is good
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  for us to like be willing to kind of like if we will do like
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  a singular EP that we could do it now with the studio that we
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  have set up. And also it could reach like the
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  quality level that it needs to be.
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  I feel like before, like the idea of just doing a single was
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  like kind of trickier because I'm like, we don't like, you
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  know, we don't do fake drums. We don't like rely on people to
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  write stuff for us. So like for what other bands are
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  able to do quicker, I'm like, we just don't want to do that.
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  So it takes a little bit more effort, but because we built the
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  studio and have it till spec every way we want, it's like,
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  well, we can go from writing to recording to getting it out a
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  lot quicker. You know, it's basically it's
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  like as long as it's up to our standard, the turn around is a
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  lot quicker for us. So that that opens up a lot of
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  possibility. Right, definitely a lot more
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  freedom than the average band is capable of.
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  And I think also maybe on the flip side, I still like music
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  videos. I see bands putting a lot of
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  effort, even whether it's DIY or the highest level of production
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  and budget. I think videos are still useful
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  and cool to help move the problems and promote bands and
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  tours. And we still see on the journal
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  side a lot of like strategic video single, like here's a
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  here's a new music video right before we go on tour to remind
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  everybody that's kind of what you have to do.
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  You have to like, juice, you know, juice the system a little
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  bit like. For sure, even like it's like
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  kind of funny because I'm like, I, I was kind of like really
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  hands off with like our banned social media for a long time.
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  And then like during the last U.S. tour, I was like, OK, I
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  want to like just kind of take over our TikTok and sort of like
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  revamp it a little bit and kind of honestly really get to know
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  what it is like what it's about. And like, it's been very
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  interesting because it's like a lot of like stuff that does so
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  well is almost like like it's almost like a micro music video.
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  It's like, it's not even the music video itself.
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  It's like a a little video clip of something that for whatever
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  reason sort of connects with people and connects with the
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  music. And I'm like, it's like, yeah,
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  it's like almost like you said, it's kind of like it's still
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  very important. Whereas like, it felt like we
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  were getting away from it for a bit and now it's like, no, no,
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  actually the visual aspect is maybe almost as important as the
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  music now at this point. And in some ways, sometimes it
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  can be a little bit more important, at least with like
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  initially getting people to check you out.
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  Right on. In the advertising world, we
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  call little snippets of things that are sort of semi ads,
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  interstitials and you see them on Spotify when they have like
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  the video loop visualizer journal.
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  True. Yeah.
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  Yeah, that's exactly it, yeah. So yeah, like, yeah, the some of
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  these that you've done a great job, but on the other hand, I
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  it's also like a minefield, right?
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  You guys had some some drama in the world.
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  We don't have to revisit, but like you were.
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  Always drama. There's always some drama, but
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  you got you were front and center and some of that like you
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  were pulled into it because you were managing the account and,
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  you know, which is fine. Like that's part of also the the
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  music. It's the music business, not the
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  music friendship sometimes. Yeah, I like to say.
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  And but I thought you've been doing a great job and I think
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  Trivium should be like a very visually compelling current
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  band. Like there's no reason to be,
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  you know, Like, no, we don't do any of that shit.
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  No, no. No, we kind of, I think it was
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  like really the last couple years, like the toughest thing.
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  Like obviously we were touring a lot and then it's like, you
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  know, having like families and stuff too was kind of like one
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  of those things where it's like it does kind of pull you away
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  from certain things. But now I feel like things are
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  at the point where it's like, OK, we can kind of like lean
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  back into that kind of stuff. And I do kind of like taking the
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  reins personally with like Matt and Corey because it's like, I
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  mean, really it's like showing up the personality and what we
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  kind of the way we want to want people to view our band.
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  You know, what we think is interesting about it.
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  And it is cool to see like what people really vibe off of like
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  with what we do is that sometimes, you know, you could
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  get this whole elaborate slick thing done.
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  And the stuff that will do the best will be like an iPhone
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  video of like, oh, Matt's tracking and he like messed up
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  or something. And like people who just like
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  want to see different things. And it's, it is fun because it
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  allows you to be a little more creative with like what you're
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  showing off to people and, you know, just seeing what works for
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  our band, you know, that we don't have to follow like a
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  cookie cutter thing on here either.
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  Right on. And Speaking of not cookie
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  cutter this EP, right? Killer songs.
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  Thank you. 3 fresh songs. And what I love most about these
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  three songs is there's a ton of grooves, and Trivium does thrash
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  as good as anybody and and, you know, sort of melding these
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  extreme styles that everybody digs.
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  But there's a lot of killer, like, really took me back to the
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  first few records on this one. Yeah, like a lot of like a lot
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  of power groove for Lack. Of yes, that was a very
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  conscious thing on our part. You know, we kind of had a bit
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  of a chat about like what we were going to try to do even
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  before we started it, and I'm glad you kind of picked up on
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  that. Well, of course, and I try to
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  listen when I'm going to talk to Someone Like You, I'll go back
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  and I listen to my favorites and I listen to a couple of whole
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  albums and it'll like these songs will go really well live
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  with the rest of the catalog. Like, you know, nice.
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  Bury Me and Struck Dead will be, I assume, But yeah, then will be
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  nice changes of pace. I know you guys maybe play Bury
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  Me at Aftershock. So, you know, just killer.
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  I love that. Like it's so compelling.
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  The songs are longer, but they don't feel long, which is the
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  number one thing for me. You know, there there were punk
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  rock songs that could feel like a year long even though they're
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  only two minutes. And then there's.
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  Some very big challenge for us, you know, getting under 4
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  minutes can be really tricky and you know, it is something that
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  we've liked. We try our hardest, you know,
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  we, we're like OK, we get to the end of the demo.
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  How long was it? All right, 5 minutes again.
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  All right. You know, we seem to like, we
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  like to go on our journeys sometimes, but I do feel like we
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  did do our best to kind of like try to rein in some of the the
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  excess and like get stay focused and like the groove part of it
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  was a big element to us. Like not just like gun it the
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  whole time with like the speed or, or the, you know, the most
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  notes in the riff. It's like, OK, let's be a little
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  more thoughtful with those things.
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  Right on I can see where 6 walls surround me.
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  Could have become like 10 or 11 minutes easily with another like
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  another, maybe some other, you know?
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  Guitar. That was the last the last song
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  of the three. And yeah, it was definitely
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  like, we kind of see the studio better get built soon and we're
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  going to this thing is going to spiral out of control.
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  Right on. I always I I asked Corey, like,
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  you know, I always feel like every artist has like a bag of
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  riffs and extra riffs laying around that don't get finished.
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  So I imagine like there's, there's obviously more like
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  there's no, you know, you guys are always working on stuff and
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  coming up with stuff. But it's as easy to presume this
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  EP as a stepping stone to the next full release.
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  I don't know, I think we I think we might, I don't know.
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  I don't want to say it's going to be like a one to one kind of
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  thing, because like there's already some things that, you
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  know, we've we've been writing quite a bit actually for the
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  next record that there's like a couple things that like like as
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  simple as like, Oh, we're, we're in different tuning that kind of
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  takes it a little bit different. But also one of those things
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  where I'm like, we have time and we're like, really, we're
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  thinking about stuff. So it's like the first pass of
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  like what we have is really cool.
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  But then it's like, well, maybe we're going to come back and be
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  like, you know, we maybe we maybe need to do this or do
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  that, or maybe this part needs to be a little heavier or we're
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  lacking something. And that's something that I'm
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  like just so thankful to have now where it's like you just,
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  you're not under the pressure and you can really think through
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  like, because like when you first get a song done, I
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  sometimes I feel like you feel like it's the greatest thing
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  you've ever done just because you're like, well, you got a
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  song done and it feels good. But you come back to it a week
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  later. And maybe like, I could, maybe
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  we could redo some of these things that I like that we've
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  had this like we, we like do these sessions of writing and
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  then we just, we take a bit of time and we go on tour.
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  You know, we got another one coming up here really soon.
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  So it's going to be cool to see where we're at in the new year
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  because like, we definitely plan to get to work basically right
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  after the holidays, and we want to be sitting on quite a bit of
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  music, hopefully a lot more than we're going to actually record.
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  We want to like, write as far past that as we can, you know,
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  and see what we're left with, see what fits together.
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  Future proof you work. I love it.
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  I'm slipping over my words. But yeah, you know, one of the
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  things that I loved about in the Court of the Dragon that I see
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  and hear on this EP is a very defined vocal style, like much
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  more diverse between the three guys and and much more
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  aggressive all the way around. And we like a lot more call and
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  response like complimentary, which you've done in bits and
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  pieces over the many years. But now it's like a feature of
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  the band. At least I think it's becoming
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  more prominent. Super cool.
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  Yeah, I'm, I'm really happy with Matt on this on this EP, I think
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  he kind of broke some new ground for him because he did went into
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  almost a couple different styles of vocals that like he's never
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  really reached into. And I think a lot of it was
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  like, you know, he, he kind of made some reference to it on the
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  last tour site or the last couple tours we did of like, you
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  know, having to do a little bit of work on himself the last,
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  the, the previous year. And I honestly think like doing
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  a lot of that stuff, like he was able to kind of like get a lot
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  of roadblocks in his head for like vocal stuff.
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  I feel like vocalists have this sometimes where there's certain
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  ways they got to do things and it can be very tricky because,
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  you know, it's a very, it's probably the hardest instrument.
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  You know, it's like the thing that can change so quickly for
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  whatever reason. And Matt just really kind of
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  getting over like the some of the roadblocks, including live
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  doing his normal scream, the one that was, you know, the one he
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  was doing back in the day and being like realizing like you
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  can do that. It's never, it's never hurt you
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  before when you stopped it and he brought it back and nothing
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  was nothing changed. And if anything, I think it gave
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  him a lot of confidence. And the EP he really just like,
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  yeah, all those things of like, oh, I can only sing before I
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  scream. All that that kind of stuff went
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  away, which I'm like, finally, you're you're free.
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  You're free of this, like these shackles.
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  Like, you could just like get in there, just just be in the
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  moment, perform, enjoy this. And I feel like I can hear it on
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  the EP. I can hear it on tour again.
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  And you know, with like the new stuff we've been writing, it's
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  like even more freeing in a way. Right on.
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  As a vocalist, do it. We do the self talk thing a lot,
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  Matt, go back and listen to, not musically, but go maybe
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  musically, but go back and listen to Roadrunner United and
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  how he like all those different pillars of vocals, like
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  different styles from song to song and it's a.
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  It's like a tricky thing because I'm like, I think sometimes you
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  can almost break it down like, well, I have these all these
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  different styles of vocals and the thing I always say is like
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  it's coming out of one person. It's like it's more important of
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  like you're using them as a way to emote what you're singing
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  rather than this part is specifically this voice.
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  And then this next part is going to be this just, I don't know,
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  that's it. That's at least like me when I'm
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  like watching in in the studio and kind of like going into like
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  a, you know, thinking about it like, Oh yeah.
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  Performance wise, it's like, you know, it's easier said than done
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  too. Like when you say that, but it's
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  also like, yeah, sometimes you really just got to kind of like,
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  you know, you've done all the work to get here as a vocalist,
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  Like, but it's almost like it's game day now.
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  You kind of have to throw out some of that like technical side
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  and just just be in there, just feel it out.
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  But no, he's been, I've been very happy, very proud.
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  You know how he's been holding up these this last couple tours.
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  I mean, he his voice is like very durable.
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  Like we really never have any issues.
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  So he's put in the work and yeah, it's been great.
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  Right on. We got lots of good reports from
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  Europe, so I know that's that's bad 100%.
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  So the tour's kicking off soon. Huge tour.
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  Ginger and Harriott, two of the best bands in the world coming
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  up in metal along with you. Obviously we have Grayson doing
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  the tour for you guys as Alex has left the band.
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  Any thoughts about 26? Can Grayson stay on and you
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  continue to help? I know he has commitments with.
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  Some, yeah. So Grayson's got a Sepultura, He
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  got quite a bit next year with them.
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  I don't know if they've announced other stuff, so I
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  don't want to like spoil anything in case it's not out
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  there. But yeah, he's going to be busy
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  with them. Really.
• 17:15
  This was just one of those things where it was like, he's
• 17:18
  available. We kind of just floated it to
• 17:20
  him like, hey, if you're available, like, would you be
• 17:22
  interested in doing Aftershock? That was kind of the first
• 17:24
  thing. And then it was like, OK, he
• 17:26
  doesn't have anything for the tour.
• 17:27
  Like, do you want to do the tour as well?
• 17:29
  And so we kind of like decided on that.
• 17:31
  And then basically we've just been like slowing things down,
• 17:35
  taking our time. We've had a lot of people e-mail
• 17:37
  us, a lot of people reach out, a lot of people give us
• 17:40
  recommendations on drummers. I mean, there's no shortage of
• 17:43
  great players around the world. I mean, just a a very casual
• 17:47
  browsing of YouTube will show you.
• 17:49
  I mean, there's people out there that can play our songs better
• 17:52
  than us, you know, so it's like there's a lot of people.
• 17:55
  It's really that the next thing is like all the key elements,
• 17:58
  you know, do we fit with them? Do we can you jam with us?
• 18:01
  Like that to me is like a big part part of this whole thing.
• 18:04
  So there's a lot of things we're considering and like we're kind
• 18:07
  of fortunate that we're ending the tour cycle.
• 18:08
  We're not like kind of having this weird, like, oh, we've just
• 18:11
  begun and now we have to kind of figure out along the way.
• 18:14
  And, you know, back in the day when we had some changes, you
• 18:18
  know, it's like it was like a lot more hectic for us.
• 18:21
  And like this time just feels a lot more like it is what it is.
• 18:24
  And I don't know, we feel fine. We feel like we've just been
• 18:27
  moving forward and we have all this music.
• 18:29
  We've got the tour covered with Grayson.
• 18:31
  He's unbelievable. So it's like we feel good.
• 18:33
  We're ending on a good place. And I feel like we'll be able to
• 18:36
  make a real clear decision because of that.
• 18:39
  Right on. Trivium is not Spinal Tap.
• 18:40
  Drummers are not just exploding. Usually you pick a guy in that
• 18:43
  person stays a long time. So like, you know, bands are
• 18:46
  like marriages, they don't always last and yeah, who don't
• 18:49
  belong together shouldn't stay together.
• 18:50
  I. Mean yeah, like, I mean it was
• 18:53
  kind of crazy, like, you know, just thinking like it's been
• 18:55
  almost a decade with Alex Bent in the band and almost as long
• 19:00
  as Travis was in the band as well.
• 19:01
  So it's like, I feel like at least like for the most part,
• 19:04
  like we've had a pretty like solid like time with drummers.
• 19:08
  There was just a period where it was like a real chaos.
• 19:11
  It was our chaos run of drummers.
• 19:13
  And then it like it's smoothed out again.
• 19:15
  And you know, but it was, it's tricky because like doing that
• 19:18
  and then making records, all that stuff that's like stuff you
• 19:21
  just think about now when you've had the experience, but back
• 19:24
  then you just like, OK, we'll just get someone into to play
• 19:26
  drums and like it'll be fine. It's like, it's like, well,
• 19:29
  there's a lot more to consider than just like, can you play the
• 19:31
  drums? Can you do XY and Z?
• 19:34
  There's now we think about all these things and that's why I'm
• 19:36
  like, I feel good because it's like, yeah, being in this place
• 19:38
  sucks, but it's also like better than it's ever been.
• 19:42
  Right on. I appreciate that.
• 19:43
  Just two last points and I'll leave you back your day because
• 19:45
  it's busy just having wrapped up the ascendancy sort of revisit,
• 19:50
  right. And me reflecting on the band
• 19:52
  and you've been in the band now like over 21 years and and Corey
• 19:56
  like 2223. So like, you know, the core of
• 19:59
  the band has been together through this whole time and
• 20:01
  revisiting this music. Do you feel like, how do you
• 20:03
  feel about, you know, how it went?
• 20:06
  How how do you look back on that formative couple of first, you
• 20:10
  know, first 2-3 albums? How do you feel?
• 20:11
  About that, I mean, ascendancy, it's like still, I mean one of
• 20:15
  my favorites and I'm still like always really like crazy to
• 20:18
  think in my head of like we're only like 1819.
• 20:21
  I think Travis is maybe 20 when we did it.
• 20:23
  It's just like hard to believe and I'm still very proud of it.
• 20:27
  And doing the record in full was such a crazy thing because we've
• 20:31
  never done that before and doing it like, you know, us and bullet
• 20:35
  back-to-back with these two records that, you know, at the
• 20:37
  time, we're just like drop not too far from each other and just
• 20:40
  had such a wide impact on so many people.
• 20:43
  It was just a proud moment to just be able to play it and to
• 20:46
  see people really, you know, appreciate obviously the big
• 20:48
  songs, but you know, get to the end of the record and just be
• 20:51
  like, you know, finally seeing departure, finally seeing
• 20:53
  declaration, you know, maybe seeing some of the other ones
• 20:56
  that deceive for the first time or the second time.
• 20:59
  It was just fun, you know, getting to live in it.
• 21:01
  But it is fun to now like having done that, like kind of step
• 21:05
  back into like, you know, the the modern day of like, OK, we
• 21:08
  have a whole catalog to pull from and and of course the
• 21:12
  sentence is always going to be a core part of the setlist that we
• 21:14
  play live. They're they're fun to play And
• 21:16
  I, you know, anytime we go into pull harder, it just feels like
• 21:20
  this feels good. Maybe it's because of the
• 21:21
  groove, something like that. Just that stuff.
• 21:24
  Never tires out of me, I feel like, and there's a lot of good
• 21:28
  grooves on that record. And a lot of good grooves on
• 21:30
  this new EP. And Speaking of the EP, finally
• 21:33
  for the last question, the wild card question that I like to end
• 21:35
  with, since this is coming out on Halloween, what is your
• 21:38
  favorite scary movie? Oh, Exorcist for sure.
• 21:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of my favorites too.
• 21:44
  Still fuck still fucks people up when they go to see yeah.
• 21:46
  I love it. I would say Hereditary was
• 21:48
  pretty close to giving me the same vibe.
• 21:51
  Maybe not as terrifying, but I was very.
• 21:54
  It's just that very like just gets under your skin.
• 21:58
  But that was a great one too. But Exorcist hands down.
• 22:01
  Probably forever for me. Amazing.
• 22:03
  Paulo Greg Aletto of Trivium, thank you for hanging out with
• 22:06
  us and it's always a pleasure. I really appreciate the support
• 22:08
  you've given us over the years. Best of luck, Be safe on the
• 22:11
  tour and we'll see you. Soon.
• 22:12
  Thank you. Thank you very much.