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Mary Chapin Carpenter and Trampled By Turtles on Coffee, Dogs, and Collaborations · Kyle Meredith With...

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[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, we've had some great guests drop by lately.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's me, Kyle Meredith.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Today, my guess, Mary Chapman Carpenter and Eric Barry of Tramble by Turtles.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, we recorded both of these and it's Bourbon and Beyond, 2025.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was backstage at Bourbon and Beyond.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mary, to talk about her album personal history that just came out this year, a record that she's been working on for nearly five years and one that truly earns that title.
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[SPEAKER_05]: personal history.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In fact, she and I are going to dig into songs like paint and turpentime, girl and her dog, and how the more personal her stories get the more universal they become.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then later on, again, going to be talking with trampled by turtles Eric Barry.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, trampled has a new record out with Alan Sparhock of low that we're going to be talking about as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But let's start with Mary Chapin Carpenter.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She came up with the late 80s.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She was one of the few singer songwriters who could sneak in that introspective folk into the country charts without really having to wear the cowboy hat and doing the whole horse and pony show.
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[SPEAKER_05]: uh... she broke through with state of the heart to nineteen eighty nine she had shooting straight in the dark in nineteen ninety then she hit her stride with come on come on in ninety two that's the one that gave us he thinks he'll keep her and i feel lucky uh... she's a five-time Grammy winner she's always walked that line between literary and plain spoken she gets lumped in with Nashville but she really writes more like a novelist and a quote unquote hitmaker
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[SPEAKER_05]: And even by the 2000s, she was really steering clear of all the radio trends.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She was releasing quietly devastating albums like between hearing gone and the calling.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's one of my favorite singers songwriters.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So let's jump into this, record a backstage at Bourbon and Beyond 2025 to talk about the record.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Personal history.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's Kyle Meredith with Mary Chapin Carpenter.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hi, very cheap and curbinger, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm well, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm doing well, I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's been so much.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it really has been a great festival so far.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we get some luckily some shade over here for the, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But you're here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you got just a beautiful new record with personal history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In fact, you're amazing, because well, two records, actually, this year, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: you've done your homework, I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've put out a record with two incredible Scottish artists, Julie Fowlis and Cream Poe art in January.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a one-off project of total labor of love, called Looking For The Thread.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then put out the personal history at the beginning of June.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and it is what a beautiful record.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was thinking there's a bit of the old line that any artist when they have any record It'll be like this is my most personal record.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but this is like you called it personal history And I can't imagine you wrote a more personal record than when I'm listening to well you're right It is the old saw of you know putting out a record say it's most personal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're absolutely right at this point of my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't deny that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't hide behind it either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very much a deeply personal and meaningful record to me that excited that it's out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I've been working on it for almost five years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So can I ask them what kind of place to you in the direction of this?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Because again, you were talking about
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is a really, we're using a word of love, but really personal moments, but it's like, you get the little moments of a day from your coffee cup to the big moments of considering life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and also the thing is that
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[SPEAKER_01]: in my opinion, formative foundational experiences that have brought me to where I am now, like there's a song on there called Painting Turpentine, which is about going to a famous legendary club outside of D.C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: called The Birch Mirror, where I would go
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[SPEAKER_01]: sitting in the audience and listening to Guy Clark and that was like a master class and songwriting and I was in my early 20s and it was just it's like going to school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that it's just there's a lot of experiences that I touch on in the record that
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not so much chronological, but if you accept the idea that time is fluid, it sort of works that way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I did like, you know, I'm in Jakovic up in there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's at least a pair of songs where it's mentioned right next.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, it's Mary Chapin-Levser coffee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very well-scotted.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What's the reaction that you've been getting from the song Girl in her dog?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: As soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of girls in their dogs, but lots of people of all stripes, all ages, dogs are what makes life worth living in a lot of ways in my opinion, so it's, you know, the title gives you a clue about what it's about, but hopefully it has a much wider lens that the dresses are connects to other things in life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's the great songs I get to talk to a lot of artists about that because you make his decision am I going to write something that's so specific to my life or am I going to write something that's maybe more universal and I've always found out that the more specific stuff I connect to more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well the more personal the more universal it is because we all are so much the same we all have so many of the same experiences so it makes sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah well it's beautiful
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what's a festival.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was hearing that Josh Kupman was here yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was on the line floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was so sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I missed seeing them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Josh so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He produced my last two records.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the one who's with Korean enjoy and personal history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Working with Josh is a dream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bonnie Leigh Horseman to me is one of the coolest bands going right now, and Enaus and and, and, and, oh my gosh, Eric, they're, they're incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, and Cam and JTBates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, what a band.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's absolutely true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we've loved playing bitter-inder on F.E.K.2.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What a great single you had there, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's another personal experience that hopefully, because I don't want to feel alone in that, everybody can relate to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, if I could just say before, it's really great to be involved with my mother, I was born and involved with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And lived here as kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, whenever we come here, it feels like a, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels very meaningful to me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's so great to have you back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you I can't wait to see you out on the stage tonight.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and and thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the best.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, YouTube and we'll be right back right after this
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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's Kyle and man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's now part two of this urban and beyond recap.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess you would say earlier that day that I talked with Mary Javan, I caught up with Eric Barry of Trample by Turtles.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, Trample's got a new album called Alan Sparhock with Trample by Turtles.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's their collaboration with the front man from low.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and Eric's going to recall the Duluth Roots that connect them, the influence low hat on them in their early years, how their friendship led to an album and a handful of rare live shows.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, trampled by turtles.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They did.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They crawled out of Duluth Minnesota in those early 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They were a punk man that traded amps for mandalins accidentally started a bluegrass riot if you want to say Led by Dave Seminette, of course.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's been on this series before they built a rabbit following on the jam circuit mixing Breakneck tempos with lyrics that sounded like they've been carved into a barn wall
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[SPEAKER_05]: There are 2010 album Palamino spent over a year on the Bluegrass charts, then stars in satellites in 2012 proved they could slow down without losing that charge.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They are the rare acoustic band, that can headline both a folk festival and a rock when sometimes in the same weekend.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Good morning.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's great to see you guys.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We were just talking about you just rolled straight into the grounds here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that's true straight to the mic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the festival life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is the first thing I've seen at the full festival.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, for welcome.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's great to have you guys back in the little too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, we're such a great big fan to you guys.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And what you guys do, in fact, I wanted to really quickly because you have a new album.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's with Allen Sparhock, from low.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're not exactly touring that record yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, uh, do the, uh, how hard it is to get our schedules to align.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to, we're not, we're going to play some shows and support of it, but we're not going to be able to go on a proper tour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, we play a show and then the next night we play another one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's not going to be happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're playing hardly strictly bluegrass with Alan in a couple weeks We've got a show in St.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul, Minnesota in December.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and another makes it special.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It does because it is special It doesn't get to happen too often right right to but to have her so let's hear about that project in because I mean you're from the same area and everything but but it's not when you put it on paper like
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like it doesn't automatically seem to make sense, but it sounds great what you all did.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like how did it happen, how did it come apart?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Come out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is because Alan and Lowe are from Duluth, and when we were starting out in Duluth, and we all live in Duluth, they were absolutely without question the band to look up to and to emulate and to, you know, if you wanted to have some success and be a Duluth-based musician, the success that Lowe had was the success you were looking for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and what kind of went goes with that is how they carried themselves when they went out into the musical world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, they don't really like the term slow core, but they were like trying to make a point of playing as quiet and as slow as they could all throughout the 90s, which is kind of a punk rock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very punk rock, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that really did kind of imbue the Duluth scene in the early 2000s with that sort of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That sort of punk rock attitude not so much what you sound like so much as like we're doing this Arway which there's a big flavor of that and a whole bunch of Duluth bands of a certain generation including ours And we were very lucky to like one of our first tours out west in 2005 We saw that we were gonna be in some communities that low was playing on our nights off so we just like
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we never talked to them before, but like, hey, could you maybe gasless us?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have something to do on a night off and he got us to play on stage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So some like very early on in our career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to do opening sets for page with a line and low.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then use like the great American musical in San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I can think of seeing it, but I can't think of how to say it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Numos, noamos, in Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll believe you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Say it with confidence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm wrong though, but so we became friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then so in 20 years now later You know when our friend loses his wife, you know, and we've lost our friend You know, it's sort of an instinctual natural.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He smells like hey man, do you need to come out?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you need to
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[SPEAKER_02]: what would you like how can we help and so we brought out on tour for a couple of tours in 2023 and 2024 and he played some of our songs and we played some of his and it's you know he's awesome so it's a great it's it's an easy musical fit just because we like to play together yeah what do
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[SPEAKER_05]: Did you have to find common ground music?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean again, you've got the history So that does I guess a lot of the heavy lifting like you know each other, but I mean a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know a little bit because I I don't think he's very used to having lots of sounds happening in a given performance because Lose always been so stripped down So just the fact that like if all six of us are doing something there's six things happening I think that's different than his expectation of course we're low fans and
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alan fans so we're like okay don't overplay you know like make sure you get out of his way That's sort of stuff so I mean Yeah, trying to find some musical common ground, but it was a lot easier than you might then you might yeah Well, I mean the record is fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean it's it's so good what you guys do and and again Just to know that there's only gonna be a few shows.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, something like that I was I mean I'm thinking of any of those like sort of
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[SPEAKER_05]: sidestep supergroups like temple of the dog or something where there was a record in the shows like there was one show or something like that Yeah, it became mythical you know or something that you could do that But we have you at a festival, you know here and and and how is like I'm guessing you're not gonna even crunch too much on songs like that for a show like this We have a 30 minute slot today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's like
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we just saw our set list and it's, if I'm my child, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a heavy hitting thing because it's only, you know, six, six songs long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just a good song.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just some of the good songs.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so looking forward to it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't wait to see you guys out there and again We love what you guys do every time you come here to level.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We love having you in here, and And the new record congrats on that one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It is there some I mean are you is there something else lined up that you guys are or is this what you're looking at right now
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[SPEAKER_02]: it's pretty much what we're looking at right now alright well yeah it's been a busy summer and so we're kind of wrapped you know winding it up and you're ready for the break yeah looking forward to some downtime and cocooning up for the winter right on man well thank you so much for dropping by the tent thank you so thank you and we'll be right back right after this
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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome back, it's Kyle Manith.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mentioned earlier the Dave Seminette of Trampal by Turtles but on the series and then I realized we recorded that interview before we started this official series of the Kyle Manith with podcast.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm actually going to include that here, a little bonus.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This was not recorded at Bourbon and Beyond.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In fact, this was recorded back in 2017.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Dave was actually taking a little break from Trampal to do his rock project, Dead Man Winter.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and we got to talk about the album they released that year called Furnace and the personal personal turmoil that led to that that LPs.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to include that here a little bonus interview.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's Kyle Meredith with Dave Seminette's of Deadman Winner and trampled by Turtles.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hi Kyle.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're very excited to have you coming back to town April 23rd at Hitler's I see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're excited to get back to local.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that city.
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[SPEAKER_05]: yeah well we've loved you all here and uh... have you played as deadman where before if you played in this band or is it always been with trampled always know what trampled there yeah i mean this this band hasn't done much of it we need we need for tour tomorrow but up until now we've done a show in chicago couple shows in carado and like a week in Alaska and that's been that's been an extent of our tour it's it's so so i mean what's it been like getting ready for this tour i mean i've got to imagine it's completely different for you
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, the whole operation, you know, it's different than trampled.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going back into the van, you know, which I'm kind of excited about actually, but I'm the only one who says that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, I mean, there's there's something about, I mean, you know, asked me, are we going to have into it when we're on a fortune or a drive there or something like that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: There is something, you know, a trampled trampled just become
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[SPEAKER_03]: In, you know, to its credit and to the credit is the people that have set it up this way has become this really, really well-oiled machine as far as touring goes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to think about anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, you know, they just show it, tell me when to show up at the airport pretty much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this is a, it's a whole another story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so there's, you know, I'm such a procrastinator of, I'm packing currently like a frantic madman right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's see what goes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm excited for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get to see the country through the window of the end, you know?
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we are excited to have you down here and behind this really great new record.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, furnace, I'm going to give you all the compliments too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's different, and it is different.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's obviously different than trampled.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Although I found little similarities when I look back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, now that I listen to a song like alone, it sort of seems like that was almost a direction shift for you that, you know, eventually down the line leads to at least to this record or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a pretty linear, you know?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, is it a conscious thing that you have to sound different from that?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, obviously there are no banjos at stake here, but did you make a point of doing that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not, well, I mean, it's in the end, it's just gonna sound like me, I guess, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the musical difference, mainly just comes from the people that surrounded me in the studio, I guess, you know, I mean, I've always felt that I could take any song and probably bring it
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[SPEAKER_03]: either band, and either band could make a song out of it, because I mean, I'm pretty simplistic, musically.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, just the difference is the other people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, one thing I heard that you pulled off quite nicely, much in the way of like a great record from the Smiths, you found out how to sing about despair and masking it with really bright ribs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there was this a little bit of intent there, but honestly, it was more like that's just how it worked out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I didn't, I didn't, I won't give myself credit to have, to have had any great vision there, but I'm happy the way it did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I brought the songs and had core changes, you know, and then the vibe kind of, the vibe just kind of came out of the sessions really.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's kind of interesting because, you know, and, and, sure, this is the part of the interview that you probably have to do a lot, but given the backstory of why this record exists, you know, you went through a lot of personal turmoil, and you retreat out to the middle of nowhere, and just with that in mind, you know, I would expect that you would just really have a complete dark record that comes out of that, and that's, that's not the case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, I don't know, man, it's, it's, it's so much more complicated, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's not one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, right, it went through a lot of personal turmoil, but they're still beauty happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're still, you know, the recordings for this record were made with some of my best friends and a beautiful spot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's all sorts of factors that go into that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I have to kids that really keep me above water quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's also a lot to settle right there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And as for all the things that you were going through, I mean, you know, I always hate to say it, but it does make for great arts.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's what we ask our art is for.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's made us, we ask you to bleed so so that we can drink your blood.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's, it does create subject matter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I always get a little bit cautious when romanticizing like the depressed songwriter stereotype, I guess you might call it, because
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, for my personal experience, when I'm in the worst parts of that, I'm worth this, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't create anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, you know, I can't even get out of bed, let alone make a song.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for me, depression and even just hard times, I guess, can be really creative of detrimental.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, in the big picture, I guess that's really a lot of material on the coming from, as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of a trade-off there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: As for song specific, especially that closer with your out of control, I mean, what a great spacey jam that happened there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Is that just a product of the studio?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was, you know, the first song, the song is on fire and the last song you're out of control, both of those were the first time we'd ever played those songs together, which I don't know how if that had something to do with them ended up bookending the record, but I just had this little
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[SPEAKER_03]: part of the song and then all I knew was that I wanted to go on for a while and get kind of chaotic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was all the direction I gave and that was it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we did that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we were done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's all live.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we were done kind of didn't feel the need to do it again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's the thing that happened with the salsa and fire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I showed them the song, you know, kind of played through it in the control room, went out and tracked it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, oh, cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I love to be able to work in that way, where
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think a lot of times in the studio, people don't allow themselves to, to keep a first take.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and I mean, it seems like it shouldn't be the, the one to keep, but I love, I love that spontaneity and, and, um, just kind of wrong a second come from that, but, like, the first time, you know, these guys are all really good musicians.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So,
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[SPEAKER_03]: As long as nobody really screws it up, they can be some really some magic stuff that might not ever happen again.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I hear a lot of artists talk about how they wish they could adapt their live show into the record once they're in the studio and it seems like what you've done there is about as close as you can get without having the audience at front of you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a constant search for a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there are two different, almost two different occupations, I guess, playing live recording.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're just the atmosphere is so different.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, all the results are great, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Congratulations on Furnace.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And again, we're excited to see April 23rd at Headliners.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For what's become a very warm winter for a dead man winter?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to put 50 degrees in the middle of us today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, all right, Dave, thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was great talk to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, take care.
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