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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome in. Brand new day. Thankful to have
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  Speaker 2: you with us. Brand new week as we are kicking
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  Speaker 2: off now what is the pure dead sprint to the
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  Speaker 2: end of the year. I sent an email to some
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  Speaker 2: colleagues earlier today. I said, happy September, which in the
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  Speaker 2: of the year. Without question, there's nothing that gets busier
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  Speaker 2: than the fall and into the holidays. But we're grateful
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  Speaker 2: to have you with us. Kevin McCullough, super grateful to
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  Speaker 2: have you here. I have a question to start the
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  Speaker 2: show off with today. Why is Time Magazine being so
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  Speaker 2: Time Magazine? Why are they working so hard to convince
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  Speaker 2: you that people aren't returning to church, young people especially?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you didn't know that they were, but I've heard
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  Speaker 2: from multiple pastors in recent weeks how they're encouraged by
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  Speaker 2: how it appears that young people are returning to church.
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  Speaker 2: And when I look at the data, Gallup's numbers show
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  Speaker 2: attendance at church services among young men rising seven points
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  Speaker 2: to 40% overall, the highest level since 2012 and 2013.
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  Speaker 2: That's more than a decade. And attendance among young women
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  Speaker 2: rose to 39%, just to point off from where the
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  Speaker 2: boys are. The increase is larger among men, but the
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  Speaker 2: current rates are nearly identical, and roughly 4 in 10
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  Speaker 2: young men and women now say they attend church services
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  Speaker 2: at least on a monthly basis. Gallup found something else.
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  Speaker 2: The percentage of young men who consider religion very important
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  Speaker 2: in their lives jumped from 28 to 42 percent in
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  Speaker 2: the last two years. Those numbers are significant. I think
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  Speaker 2: they're also fascinating. But Time seems irritated by them. Time
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  Speaker 2: magazine seems irritated by them. The magazine just this week
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  Speaker 2: devoted nearly 2,000 words to throwing cold water on the
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  Speaker 2: possibility that something spiritually important may be happening among Gen Z.
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  Speaker 2: The article didn't disprove Gallup's findings.
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  Speaker 4: It couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: So what did it do instead? It gathered enough skeptical
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  Speaker 2: voices and competing measurements to give readers permission to ignore them.
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  Speaker 2: PRRI found flatter numbers. Pew Research said there is no
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  Speaker 2: evidence that young men are converting to Christianity in large numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Other surveys measure weekly attendance. Haven't found the same increase
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  Speaker 2: Gallup reported among those attending monthly or more.
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  Speaker 6: Fine.
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  Speaker 2: You can acknowledge all of that. But none of it
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  Speaker 2: disproves Gallup. And I should add Barna. Gallup wasn't measuring
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  Speaker 2: mass conversion. It measured attendance, affiliation, and the importance people
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  Speaker 2: placed on church. Weekly attendance is not monthly attendance, and
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  Speaker 2: conversion is not affiliation. Affiliation is not spiritual interest. Time
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  Speaker 2: knows the difference in all these things, yet their article
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  Speaker 2: repeatedly answers one finding with another survey measuring something else.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's a not-so-clever way to generate doubt
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  Speaker 2: without ever demonstrating that the original numbers are wrong. which
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  Speaker 2: they have not been able to do. I might also add,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it's curiosity either. It was a
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  Speaker 2: conclusion that time kind of came to in search of support.
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  Speaker 2: We call that proof texting when you do it to scripture,
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  Speaker 2: but it's kind of the same idea. Come up with
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  Speaker 2: an idea and then try to go find proof of it.
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  Speaker 2: And then came the inevitable attempt to connect rising church
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  Speaker 2: attendance with some sort of Christian nationalism or MAGA politics.
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  Speaker 2: And I just have to say that that was the
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  Speaker 2: most knee-jerk natural thing I expected from them. A young
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  Speaker 2: man walks into church and Time magazine has to go
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  Speaker 2: looking for Donald Trump for some reason.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: They are obsessed. Gallup did find much of the increase
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  Speaker 2: concentrated among young Republicans. That deserves a mention. But Time
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  Speaker 2: treats that political correlation as if it makes the religious
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  Speaker 2: activity less legitimate. Like, oh, people can't really go to
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  Speaker 2: church sincerely because they happen to vote for a certain
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  Speaker 2: guy for president. Well, why is that? Can Republicans or
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  Speaker 2: independents or Democrats or anybody not experience spiritual hunger just
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  Speaker 2: because they belong to a certain political party? For years,
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  Speaker 2: America's cultural gatekeepers have treated religious decline as an established
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  Speaker 2: feature of human progress. Educated societies become secular. Of course
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  Speaker 2: they do. That's how they're supposed to happen. This is
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  Speaker 2: what they think to themselves. Young people abandon organized faith.
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  Speaker 2: Churches empty. Faith recedes. Enlightened people move on. That theory
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  Speaker 2: wasn't merely reported. It was welcomed. And for the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of decades, they've reported on it regularly. But now
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  Speaker 2: Gallup has produced evidence that at least part of Gen
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  Speaker 2: Z may be moving in the opposite direction and times different.
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  Speaker 2: knee-jerk reaction is to explain why readers shouldn't make too
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  Speaker 2: much of it. Perhaps the numbers won't hold. Perhaps this
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  Speaker 2: is a temporary post-pandemic correction. Perhaps this increase is limited
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  Speaker 2: to particular churches or regions or political groups. We don't
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  Speaker 2: know any of that yet. That uncertainty is the reason
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  Speaker 2: to keep reporting, not a license to dismiss what's already
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  Speaker 2: been measured, which is what they did. There's another possibility here.
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  Speaker 2: Time barely allows itself to consider this possibility. Young Americans
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  Speaker 2: have spent much of their lives online and still feel
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  Speaker 2: profoundly alone. They possess instant access to more information than
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  Speaker 2: any generation in history, yet information hasn't answered their deepest questions.
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  Speaker 2: They were told to invent themselves, define their own truth,
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  Speaker 2: look inward for fulfillment, or change their sex if they could.
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  Speaker 2: It hasn't worked particularly well. So perhaps some are wondering
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  Speaker 2: whether the culture sold them was a fraud to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps they're entering churches because they want something older with
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  Speaker 2: more sturdy structure behind it, more than the latest social theory.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps they want community that exists somewhere beyond a screen.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine that. Perhaps they're looking for answers that politics and
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  Speaker 2: entertainment and technology just have not provided. Hey, here's a
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  Speaker 2: crazy one. Maybe they're looking for God. Is that really
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  Speaker 2: so hard to imagine? At time it is, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Their writers seem to be. But no responsible person can
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  Speaker 2: declare a nationwide Gen Z revival from the evidence we have.
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  Speaker 2: Gen Z remains less church-going than older generations. And Gallup
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  Speaker 2: found the strongest movement among young men. We need more
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  Speaker 2: polling and more time. But Time's article attempts a quiet
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  Speaker 2: sleight of hand. It moves readers from, well, we don't
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  Speaker 2: know how large or lasting this is, to, well, this
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  Speaker 2: probably isn't even happening at all. And those conclusions are
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  Speaker 2: not remotely the same. A serious treatment from journalists would
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  Speaker 2: have acknowledged the conflicting measurements and then investigated the question
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  Speaker 2: that matters. Why are measurable numbers of young Americans increasing?
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  Speaker 2: attending church services more frequently and placing greater importance on faith. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: Time treated Gallup's numbers like hostile witnesses and spent the
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  Speaker 2: article trying to impeach them. Perhaps this becomes a revival.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps it doesn't. Right now, the story is young people
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  Speaker 2: are showing up to church. Time's deal is, they really
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  Speaker 2: wish they weren't. And I think that's pathetic and sad.
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  Speaker 2: You have an opportunity to write a piece exploring and
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  Speaker 2: investigating this phenomenon of why young people are returning to
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  Speaker 2: church in overwhelming numbers. And you waste 2,000 words using
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  Speaker 2: no evidence and using very skeptical voices to try to
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  Speaker 2: argue that it's not even happening, which is intellectually dishonest
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  Speaker 2: because Gallup and Barna are both reporting it in their findings.
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  Speaker 2: Seems strange to me. Glad you're with us, though. Start
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  Speaker 2: a new week of How Do We Live next.
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  Speaker 8: Here he is from New York, that Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome. It is Kevin McCullough. It is Monday,
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  Speaker 2: That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com for all things related. And we
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  Speaker 2: start the week out by asking the big question, how
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  Speaker 2: do we live? How do we live in a culture
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  Speaker 2: that despises God, dislikes his word, doesn't have much use
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  Speaker 2: for people that cling to either one of those, and
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  Speaker 2: Later in the show today, I'll give you an example
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  Speaker 2: of that from a letter from a listener named Bob.
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  Speaker 2: But really, really grateful that you're here and that we
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  Speaker 2: can work through some of these issues together. Dave Watson
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  Speaker 2: is back with us from Calvary Chapel of Staten Island,
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  Speaker 2: longtime friend of the show, friend of me personally. And Dave,
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  Speaker 2: we are coming into that season, particularly here in the
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  Speaker 2: tri-state area where You have some days building up to
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  Speaker 2: the commemoration of 9-11. It's always a moving time. And
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  Speaker 2: I know that for your church in particular, you guys,
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  Speaker 2: you were one of those churches that gave all in
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  Speaker 2: some aspects.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me, Kevin. It's such
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  Speaker 6: a privilege to be with you and be with your audience.
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  Speaker 9: I know so many of them understand how we feel
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  Speaker 9: here in New York, what we're sensing here in New York.
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  Speaker 9: But we were heavily involved as much as we could be.
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  Speaker 9: I still have remembrances of being up in my office.
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  Speaker 9: It was up in the balcony at that time and seeing– Actually,
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  Speaker 9: I thought it was the first plane hit.
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  Speaker 6: I thought I was seeing a replay, but it was
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  Speaker 6: the second plane hitting.
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  Speaker 9: And I was watching Bloomberg News and realizing that this
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  Speaker 9: was catastrophic. And I immediately checked on my family. But
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  Speaker 9: then we're a block and a half from PS44. So
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  Speaker 9: I ran down there and we made initial plans to
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  Speaker 9: house students whose parents died. Weren't going to come home. And,
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  Speaker 9: you know, it's just even tough to talk about now
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  Speaker 9: because you and I remember that Mayor Giuliani stood in
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  Speaker 9: front of his podium or at his podium and said
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  Speaker 9: there will be.
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  Speaker 6: Tens of thousands. of deaths at, at this.
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  Speaker 9: And because of the, of the, of the heroic efforts
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  Speaker 9: of FDNY, um, you know, the, the numbers were bad,
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  Speaker 9: but they weren't tens of thousands.
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  Speaker 4: Um, um, and, um, both.
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  Speaker 2: Buildings had been at capacity. It could have been easily. Um,
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  Speaker 2: there's just so many stories of how God worked. Some
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  Speaker 2: people didn't go to work that day. Some people were
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  Speaker 2: delayed by traffic, et cetera. Well, as, as kind of in,
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  Speaker 2: observation of that commemoration, there's a passage that you've preached
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  Speaker 2: more than once from Lamentations chapter two. And I'd like
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  Speaker 2: to work that through this week with your permission, because
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  Speaker 2: I think that as a nation does mourn and remember
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  Speaker 2: and grieve and hopefully learn from the past. I have
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  Speaker 2: some questions about that, but hopefully we do. there's some
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  Speaker 2: encouragement that God has put in his word for us.
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  Speaker 2: So why don't you give us the setup for what
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  Speaker 2: we're going to look at this week?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, 9-11 in our culture, actually the world's culture,
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  Speaker 9: has become a phrase that we use to describe catastrophic
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  Speaker 9: events brought on by violence and terrorism.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, we have, you know, Canada has
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  Speaker 6: its 9-11. Spain has its 9-11. England has its 9-11.
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  Speaker 9: So sadly, the Jewish people have October 7th now as
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  Speaker 9: their 9-11. But what I try to do is find
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  Speaker 9: scriptures that are parallel to circumstances that we may be
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  Speaker 9: going through as Christians or as a nation. And July 19th,
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  Speaker 9: 586 BC, Jerusalem fell at the hands of the Babylonians.
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  Speaker 9: And it was burned to the ground. by August 15th
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  Speaker 9: of that year, and Jeremiah experiences a 9-11 moment, a
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  Speaker 9: 9-11 season. At that moment, he's watching the Babylonians ravage
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  Speaker 9: his city. He's watching his city burn, and it is
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  Speaker 9: in that sphere of things that he writes the book
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  Speaker 9: of Lamentations. So if you want a picture of what
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  Speaker 9: a believer thinks, feels, works through as a tragedy like
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  Speaker 9: our 9-11 happens, Jeremiah and his words in Lamentations are
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  Speaker 9: the place to go. It works through the same types
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  Speaker 9: of questions, the same pain challenges, the same questions regarding God,
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  Speaker 9: that we have going through our 9-11 or, you know,
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  Speaker 9: whatever is next. I hope that helps you to get
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  Speaker 9: a sense of why I chose the particular text there
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  Speaker 9: dealing with 9-11. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's jump into Chapter 2, which is where your
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  Speaker 2: message actually starts.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: You know, he, he, he, he begins by saying that,
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  Speaker 9: that God laid waste his booth, like a garden laid
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  Speaker 9: to ruin his meeting places. The Lord has made Zion for,
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  Speaker 9: you know, forget festival and Sabbath. His fierce indignation has
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  Speaker 9: spurned Kings and kingdom, a King kingdom and priest. Her
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  Speaker 9: gates have sunk into the ground. He's ruined and broken
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  Speaker 9: her bars. Her Kings and princes are among the nations.
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  Speaker 9: The law is no more. And her prophets find no
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  Speaker 9: vision from the Lord. It's, it's, it's a, it's Jeremiah
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  Speaker 9: asking God, how come you did this?
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  Speaker 6: And he's blaming God.
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  Speaker 9: And, you know, Hebrew poetry, and this is Hebrew poetry,
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  Speaker 9: is very terse in that it cuts to the chase.
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  Speaker 9: We recognize that God is not the immediate cause of evil.
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  Speaker 6: God doesn't evil.
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  Speaker 9: He doesn't make evil happen. But God created everything. So,
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  Speaker 9: you know, he could stop it all.
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  Speaker 4: And he doesn't.
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  Speaker 9: So Jeremiah, Jeremiah just just sits right down and starts
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  Speaker 9: in chapter two, verses six and nine, saying, you know, God,
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  Speaker 9: you did this to me.
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  Speaker 6: You did this to us.
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  Speaker 9: In fact, a couple of times, three times, actually, in
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  Speaker 9: the book of Lamentations, there's there's a Hebrew word, a ka'ah,
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  Speaker 9: And it means, oh, how? In chapter one, verse one,
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  Speaker 9: he says, how lonely sits the city?
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  Speaker 6: You know, why? Oh, how?
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  Speaker 4: How could this happen?
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  Speaker 9: In chapter two, in verse one, oh, how the Lord
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  Speaker 9: in his anger has set the daughter of Zion.
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  Speaker 6: Under a cloud.
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  Speaker 9: Chapter four, in his thinking, the prophet says, oh, how?
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  Speaker 9: The gold has grown dim. How the pure gold is changed.
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  Speaker 9: In other words, God, how could this possibly be? Why
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  Speaker 9: would you let this happen? And when you think of
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  Speaker 9: the terror, the horror of 9-11, even to this day,
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  Speaker 9: one cannot help but say, oh, God, how did you
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  Speaker 9: let this happen?
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  Speaker 6: It is unimaginable. It is just literally unimaginable.
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  Speaker 9: Why didn't you stop it? But like you said, there
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  Speaker 9: are so many instances. We had a group of our
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  Speaker 9: church people, a number of them were on the same
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  Speaker 9: express bus.
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  Speaker 6: The express bus came up under us. the Brooklyn Battery
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  Speaker 6: Tunnel and turned right around and went.
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  Speaker 9: Home, really sparing those people who worked in the World
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  Speaker 9: Trade Center and around.
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  Speaker 6: Why were they spared?
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  Speaker 9: I can remember Kevin, about three nights in, I had
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  Speaker 9: a wonderful guy in our church, Ricky Wilkerson.
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  Speaker 6: And three nights in, I wake up in the middle
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  Speaker 6: of the night and I go.
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  Speaker 9: Ricky, oh my, Ricky, he worked in Windows of the World.
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  Speaker 6: What happened to Ricky? I had to wait till morning
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  Speaker 6: to call.
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  Speaker 9: But but he had been transferred a month and a
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  Speaker 9: half before to another restaurant or he he would be
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  Speaker 9: no more.
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  Speaker 6: So, you know, it's a it's a it's it's a tough,
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  Speaker 6: tough thing. And the writer, Jeremiah, he doesn't spare.
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  Speaker 4: He goes, God, why?
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  Speaker 6: Why did you do this?
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  Speaker 9: Why did you lay the city that I loved and
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  Speaker 9: the temple that I worshiped at?
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  Speaker 6: Why did you lay it bare? It's so hard for
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  Speaker 6: me to understand.
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  Speaker 9: Now, he'll work through how we are to understand in
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  Speaker 9: Chapter 3, but there is that initial shock.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, I think for those of us who
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  Speaker 6: go back.
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  Speaker 9: 25 years and we think about it, there still is
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  Speaker 9: that feeling of shock, that feeling of, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 9: how could you let this happen?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that he does work through it because
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  Speaker 2: I think it's something that we can take step by
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  Speaker 2: step this week. Perhaps it will be useful again. In
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  Speaker 2: Lamentations 3, you do see Jeremiah is pretty bitter.
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  Speaker 6: This is not his happy place.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 9: He was tasked as a prophet to Israel. He had
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  Speaker 9: preached and preached and preached to his people.
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  Speaker 6: And gotten it in the back of the neck for it.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he will suffer greatly.
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  Speaker 9: He suffers greatly for his testimony. He's called the weeping prophet.
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  Speaker 9: because he has a broken heart for his people.
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  Speaker 2: But the Lord, you know, the Lord has a plan. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to try to unfold that and see it
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  Speaker 2: this week. And Dave Watson, thank you for being willing
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  Speaker 2: to take this week and spend it with us. Friends,
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  Speaker 2: it's a special couple of weeks here as we are
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  Speaker 2: leading up to the commemoration of 9-11. But I'm hopeful
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  Speaker 2: that this week we will spend some diligent time thinking
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  Speaker 2: through exactly our response in this kind of historic 25th
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  Speaker 2: year following. Kevin McCullough, glad you're with us.
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• 21:36
  Speaker 2: do so right now, If you give a gift right now,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: every Bible you will give right now will be matched
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Bible for Bible. So please make that call. 1-800-YES-WORD. The
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: phone number is 1-800-937-9673, 1-800-937-9673. You can also go on
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: thatkevinshow.com and click the Bible League banner at the top
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: of the homepage, thatkevinshow.com, or go to thatkevinshow.com and click
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the Bible League banner at the top of the page.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Michael Woolworth is back with us. And, Michael, there's some
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: question as to whether or not, you know, people really
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: need Bibles on the planet. And you were part of
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a Bible League was a part of a study that
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: really did a conclusive amount of work on defining just
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: how great that need was.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: You know, as we do that, take you to the
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: Bible access list. Let me say thanks to Linda of Dallas, Texas,
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: listening today. She said, I'm in for 20 Bibles today.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: Keith of Hewitt, New Jersey said, Michael, Kevin, count me
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: in a $ 100 tax-deductible gift for 20 Bibles. And then Steve,
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: fill in the waiting hands of believers all over the
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: world from St. Paul, a gift of $ 75 for 15
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: Bibles today. Yeah, you know, we've always known that people
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: need God's Word, right? The Bible access list, something that
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: Bible League entered into a couple of years ago with
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: other organizations you would recognize, Voice of the Martyrs, Open Doors.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: There's several others, again, that you would recognize, Biblica. We
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: got together and we said, look, let's study 88 of
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: the world's countries. Not every country is what we would
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: call under-resourced, right? There are places where, you know, Bibles
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: are in, you know, plentiful supply and easily accessible, right?
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: But there's plenty of places where that's not true. And so, Kevin,
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: we sought to do a couple things. Number one, identify
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: where are the restrictions the greatest? Where is it the
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: toughest for a Christian to find a Bible? And then secondly,
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: where's places of opportunity today? Where are there the most
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: Christians waiting for a Bible? If we had a Bible
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: to give today, they would gladly take it, right? And
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: so we partnered together with these organizations. We found out
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: that Bible League serves in 24 of the top 25
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: countries where there's shortages. So again, it was great to
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: find out that in God's providence, You know, we're not
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: shooting in the dark. We're where we need to be
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: as an organization. Let me have my colleague, Toby, speak
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: to the restrictions. He's on the continent of Africa, the
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: part of the world where Christianity is growing in the
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: greatest numbers. But it's also the part of the world
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: where there are an incredible number of restrictions, Kevin.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, Michael, one of the things that really became clear
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: to us was just how huge the opportunity is that
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: God's given us right now to get his word into
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: more people's hands and hearts. And that Toby, who works
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: with our teams in Southern Africa, was telling us that
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: again and again, he's having to tell the partners, slow down.
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: You know, pace yourself on how you're doing the programs,
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: because we can't get you the materials quickly enough to
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: meet the need that you're seeing. And Some of the
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: other peers of his from South Asia and from East
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: Africa nodded and said, yes, we're having this exact same
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: challenge of we can't get materials quickly enough. We can't
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: get enough Bibles. We can't get enough Bible study booklets
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: to meet the need and the demand that's there in
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: our countries. With just the staff and the teams that
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: we have today, we could do twice as many Bibles,
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: twice as much material, maybe three times faster. And the
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: others all agreed, yes, this is what we're seeing in
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: country after country all around the world.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: The phone number is 1-800-937-9673, 1-800-937-9673. You can also go
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: on thatkevinshow.com and click the Bible League banner at the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: top of the homepage, thatkevinshow.com.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, my colleague, Rob Bullock, I mean, Rob met with
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  Speaker 7: some of our partners in Greece. They came together to
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: find out, you know, where's the need? Is it to
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: sort of hold back? No, it was one. We need
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: more Bibles. If we had double the amount of Bibles
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: in our possession today, we could meet the need for
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: waiting believers all over the world. Hey, while we're on
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: the topic of restrictions, let me just tell you the
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: top countries where the restrictions are greatest. Number four is
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: North Korea. Probably no secret there, right? Yemen, number three.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: Number two, Afghanistan. The country with the greatest restrictions in
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: the world. falls on the continent where Christianity is growing
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: in the greatest numbers, and that is Somalia. And then
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: speaking of the shortage, Rob just addressed that. Again, the
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: places where there's an incredible need, all of these have
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: more than 10 million Christians waiting. Number five is China,
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: four is India, three is Ethiopia, two is Nigeria, number
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: one in the world with a significant number of Christians
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: waiting for Bibles today, the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: And so there's this myth, Kevin, that Bibles are available everywhere.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: The Bible access list tells us what? That is not true.
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: And again, it tells us that we're not shooting in
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: the dark, Bible League serving in 24 of those top
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: 25 countries. And so there is an opportunity. Before we
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: go to break, though, you've also got this clip from
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: Toby that just talks about the incredible challenges with filling
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: those empty waiting hands.
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: These men and women go through a lot to ensure
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: that the gospel is being shared and people are being reached.
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: In the past experience, a lot of shipment delays due
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: to some countries that intentionally frustrate scriptures getting in. And
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: we convert your prayers for that.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: They intentionally frustrate the process of getting the Bibles to them.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Sounds like spiritual warfare to me. And friends, that's where
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you and I can play an active part. in God's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: work by helping them get the Bibles. The phone number
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: is 1-800-937-9673, 1-800-937-9673. You can also go on thatkevinshow.com and
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: click the Bible League banner at the top of the homepage,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: thatkevinshow.com and click the Bible League banner at the top
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: of the homepage, or just call 1-800-YES-WORD, 1-800-YES-WORD, 1-800-937-9673.
• 27:47
  Speaker 13: Here he is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Alright, Kevin McCullough, glad to have you with us. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: know it feels like a completely different season, right? Because
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: most people are back to school, ours are back tomorrow,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and it's not coming a second too early. But we
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: are still pressing through to the end of the year
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and hoping that you will go with us for the ride.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And on Mondays, we love to talk about money from
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: the perspective of stewardship. We'd love to help you protect
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: what you've earned. We want to help you leave a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: legacy for those that you love. And that's why we
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: talk about financial matters on Monday's what we call Money Monday.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: And David Fisher is back with us. He is the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: guy that I turn to anytime I want to know
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: anything about metals. Because he just, well, first of all,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: he's done all of my metal purchasing for me in
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: recent years. And I just, I've come to love and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: trust him as a Christian brother. David, the Treasury report
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: came out for the first eight months of 2026. And
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: this was a report on Treasury debt, and it looks
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: pretty bad. Actually, the word I think you used in
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: your report was horrendous. What does that mean to us
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: as we're looking at this final third of the year calendar-wise?
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: Well, we'll see if your listeners also hold the same opinion.
• 29:33
  Speaker 14: I wish I couldn't hold that opinion. But the Treasury debt,
• 29:38
  Speaker 14: so far... in just eight months has increased $ 2. 4 trillion.
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: That's the national debt, if you will. Let's put this
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: into perspective. We thought 2024 there was a huge increase.
• 29:54
  Speaker 15: That was $ 2.
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: 2 trillion. We thought when Biden was in office, that
• 29:59
  Speaker 14: was a huge increase. That was $ 1. 8 trillion. But those
• 30:03
  Speaker 14: were for the full year.
• 30:05
  Speaker 15: We're at $ 2.
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: 4 trillion for eight months. Let's project it out on
• 30:13
  Speaker 14: this trajectory course because we've added a trillion dollars.
• 30:17
  Speaker 15: Since July 1st only. That's two months ago. We will be.
• 30:21
  Speaker 14: $ 4 trillion more added to the national debt this year.
• 30:27
  Speaker 15: Than any other time in history. And the debt's.
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: Doubled in the last 10 years. I mean, it's so
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: far out of control. And just to put the snowball effect,
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: in the past 12 months, the interest payment has increased significantly.
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: And we're now 1.2%.
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: $ 2 trillion, just interest only. And put that in perspective,
• 30:54
  Speaker 14: the interest payment has risen 240% in the last six years.
• 31:00
  Speaker 15: So I think that's pretty horrendous. It doesn't show that we're.
• 31:04
  Speaker 14: Definitely a good steward of our funds and we're headed
• 31:08
  Speaker 14: the wrong direction and maybe for financial calamity.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: So I know that the... treasury and the debt is
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a bit of a controversy because some people say, well,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: does it really impact me day to day in terms
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: of what I pay? And so sometimes people like to
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: kind of just say it'll get dealt with when it
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: gets dealt with. And certainly President Trump has never been,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you know, one that's out there promising he's going to
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: bring the national debt down. So what is the significance
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: of this in a practical way?
• 31:44
  Speaker 14: So in a practical way, gold and silver has a
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: very strong correlation to the national debt.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Well, this part I do understand. And this is one
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: of the things that actually I think I want people
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to really pay attention to because this is the sum
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: total of the most important thing to understand.
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: Go ahead.
• 32:03
  Speaker 15: Yeah. And those that follow Scripture understand.
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: Says, you know, in the book of Ezekiel, they throw
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: your gold and silver in the streets because it has
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: become worthless. Well, that's not gold and silver physical. That's
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: paper money in modern day because gold and silver was
• 32:18
  Speaker 14: the money system. So scripture is depicting what could happen
• 32:22
  Speaker 14: if we don't get our debt under control, the devaluation
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: of our currency.
• 32:25
  Speaker 15: And that's what's happening slowly. It's the frog that's being
• 32:29
  Speaker 15: slightly heated. But who knows?
• 32:31
  Speaker 14: The temperature is going to get turned up here. And
• 32:34
  Speaker 14: that's why the other side of the teeter-totter is gold
• 32:37
  Speaker 14: and silver. And that's why diversification, a portion to seven,
• 32:41
  Speaker 14: a portion to eight, Scripture says, because.
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: You do not know what tragedy may befall you.
• 32:46
  Speaker 14: And so that's why diversification, having gold and silver to
• 32:49
  Speaker 14: hedge against this, is now more imperative than any other
• 32:53
  Speaker 14: time because the bottom line is we have to finance
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: this debt.
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: President Trump on March 20th.
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: Of last year, 2025, did an executive order 14241 that
• 33:06
  Speaker 14: creates a significant need for the government to want and
• 33:12
  Speaker 14: buy and mine gold and or silver. It identifies gold
• 33:19
  Speaker 14: for the first time as an economic and a national
• 33:23
  Speaker 14: security asset. So why is he saying this in an
• 33:27
  Speaker 14: executive order that became law? Well, it tells us a
• 33:30
  Speaker 14: couple of things. Number one, it confirms that we have
• 33:33
  Speaker 14: to do something about the dollar.
• 33:34
  Speaker 15: We just can't continue this.
• 33:37
  Speaker 14: It confirms that the government does not have enough gold
• 33:39
  Speaker 14: and silver to back the currency. It also confirms this
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: when you put the other pieces to the puzzle of
• 33:47
  Speaker 14: Fort Knox and of the de-dollarization, which means the world
• 33:50
  Speaker 14: doesn't want to hold our debt because we're out of control,
• 33:53
  Speaker 14: you start putting these pieces together and not just President Trump,
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: but we have several people talking about Fort Knox, even
• 34:00
  Speaker 14: Scott Besant, the Treasury Secretary, and all the vote the
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: United States have, it confirms or at least confirms significantly
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: that we are headed towards a gold-backed currency. What does
• 34:14
  Speaker 14: this mean for every person hearing my voice? It means
• 34:17
  Speaker 14: gold and silver is going to go up a lot
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: because it also says the government wants to buy it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 14: So when the government buys an asset, that asset goes up.
• 34:27
  Speaker 14: So don't miss out on the gold market and gold
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: and silver.
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Well, and that also strengthens the dollar, right? So if
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the dollar gets backed by gold again, because it used
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to be, then it becomes the most stable form of
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: currency on the planet.
• 34:43
  Speaker 15: It solves the debt. It solves overspending.
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: And as President Trump wants to go down in history
• 34:48
  Speaker 14: as the greatest president in modern day, he would definitely
• 34:52
  Speaker 14: be that, Kevin, if he backed the currency.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: All right. So here's what I suggest strongly. If you
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: want to know how all of this makes sense for
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: you to add gold to your portfolio, you need to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: call David's office now. because these types of developments mean
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a lot, and he's tracking them better than anybody else.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Here's his number, 844-604-2575. Whenever they answer on the other end,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: just say, hey, I heard David talking to Kevin. Can
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I speak with Mr. Fisher, please? 844-604-2575, 844-604-2575. But he
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: wants to take your call personally, and he wants to
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: help you understand this better. You can also find out
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: more at landmarkgold.com. Landmarkgold.com. Again, the number 844-604-2575. Don't miss
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the gold rush. Kevin McCullough coming right back. Don't go anywhere.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: It's Money Monday.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Stick around for more of That Kevin.
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: Next.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Serving it up with a no-drink minimum. It's That Kevin Show.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: All right, welcome back.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: That Kevin Show. Thatkevinshow.com. And hello to those of you
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: in Anchorage and Columbus and Miami and San Diego and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Reno and Greenville for all the new listeners that are
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: joining us. Appreciate the fact that you are with us today.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Michael Woolworth, the fun part of this is to see
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: people respond and to know that those Bibles are going
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to go out.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: Well, Kevin, praise God. All these, what do you got,
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: 400 new affiliates, right?
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, just.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Something along those lines.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: Something along those lines. I mean, it makes sense when
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: I look at this list of people to think, okay,
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: you know, where'd these folks come from, right? Well, they're
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: part of this expansive listening family. Gregory of Bull Shoals, Arkansas, said,
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: I'm in at 20 Bibles. Rhonda of Brooklyn said, Michael, Kevin,
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: count me in. Ten Bibles. Nita, listening in Louisiana today, said,
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: I'm in. Count me in. I want to be a
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: part of this. Again, we have a goal to bless
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: 10,800 waiting believers that we know by name at Bible League.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: We're closing in on 2,000. And again, we're there because
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: of people like Gregory, Rhonda, and Anita. But keep us
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: moving forward today. I'd love to wrap up the hour
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: today just talking about women. You know, we've reached 100
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: million people in the course of our nine decades in ministry. Kevin,
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: about 60% of those are women, right? Most of those...
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: I think of women in the Bible. Sarah found out what?
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: Nothing's too hard for God, right? Esther, God can turn
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: nobody into somebody. Rahab, your past doesn't matter. God can
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: use anyone. Hannah found out what? God answers. And of course,
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: Mary said, let it be to me according to your word.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: And there's many other women there in the Bible. You know,
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: these two women are waiting for Bibles today on the
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: continent of Africa. This is where Christianity is growing in
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: the greatest numbers. Dali lost her husband, son, and about
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: 30 extended family members to the Rwandan genocide 30 years ago. Today,
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: she's a believer. She's forgiven those who's murdered her family
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: after reading the words of Christ on the cross. 92
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: adults in her village of 300 adults. Kevin, a third
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: of those adults are now following Jesus because they look
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: at Dally, they see the grace and the gumption in
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: her life, and they say, you know what? I want that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: Lally's the former village witch doctor in Madagascar, became a
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: believer after somebody introduced her to the hope of the gospel.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: She read the account of Zacchaeus in Luke 19. She's
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: led 200 families, 2,100 adults and children to him in
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: the remote rainforest of Madagascar, Africa, where no bookstores or
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: Amazon.com exist, right? But again, I want you to hear
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: the audio clip of people like Christine. God has her
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: situated there on the continent of Africa. I met her
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: when I was in Tanzania not too long ago. What
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: a beautiful spirit. I think you'll enjoy hearing this clip.
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: The woman is Christine. She's a follower of Christ, has
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: an incredible burden to reach women in that part of
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: the world.
• 39:04
  Speaker 16: First, I will introduce myself as Christine. I'm born again,
• 39:09
  Speaker 16: and I'm happy for the books that you have given us.
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: And the Bible has helped us to become women with
• 39:16
  Speaker 16: an empower. So we can teach the young women how
• 39:19
  Speaker 16: they can stay. Also, we can teach them to read
• 39:22
  Speaker 16: the Bible because that's simple language for them to read.
• 39:25
  Speaker 16: We have Swahili Bible, and also we have English Bible.
• 39:20
  Speaker 16: It seems like she's truly thankful. And that's the response
• 39:23
  Speaker 16: every time a Bible League Bible hits the hands of
• 39:25
  Speaker 16: someone who's been wanting one.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Like, there's so much joy.
• 39:27
  Speaker 16: They may dance.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: They may say they're happy. They may cry, but they're
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: all experiencing joy.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: Well, I witnessed somebody who what? Who just clutched the Bible.
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: She held in her hands the book that would tell
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: her about the God who loved her. And Kevin, I
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: was there in that room when she read her very
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: first scripture. What was it? It was, I'm a new
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: creation in Christ. The old is gone. The new has come. Hey, listen,
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: that's thrilling to be there when they read that very
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: first scripture.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: The phone number is 1-800-937-9673, 1-800-937-9673.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: You can also go on thatkevinshow.com and click the Bible
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• 40:20
  Speaker 2: make the call, 1-800-937-9673, 1-800-937-9673, or go to thatkevinshow.com. Thank you.
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  Speaker 15: The only thing that.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Could be greater, of course, would be that Donald show.
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  Speaker 4: But we don't.
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  Speaker 7: Have that, so we have that Kevin show.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Featuring the music of Dick Tunney and the Dream in
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  Speaker 3: the top headlines of the day and a perspective that
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• 41:38
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  Speaker 3: It's Kevin McCullough, Monday through Friday, on That Kevin Show.
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  Speaker 3: And now, from the Connors & Sullivan Broadcast Studios, the
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  Speaker 3: man who is not what he wants to be, but
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: is way grateful that he's not who he used to be,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: here's the show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in, Kevin McCullough, glad to have you here. It
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: is That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com, and I hope that.
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  Speaker 2: Your fall is going to be full of good things.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I think of the fall, you know, back to school,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: finally done with all the kind of the unstructured stuff
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: of summer, which is kind of a joy to someone
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: like me who really loves his routine. But one of
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  Speaker 2: the things I'm always excited about here is that we
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: are back to sending Bibles to people who need them.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And we're back to it, I say, because we did
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of it in the summer. But when
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: we come back from the last couple of weeks of August,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Bible League has actually done something kind of interesting in
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: those last two weeks. They've kind of shut down all
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: of their corporate activity. And for two weeks, they've sought
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: the Lord. I think some of them have fasted. I
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: think many of them have prayed. They've, as a staff,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: come together. They've talked about what the Lord is leading
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: them as an organization to do. And then they launch
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: what he has led them to do for the next year.
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  Speaker 2: And so as we are just at the beginning of that,
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  Speaker 2: We are always excited to help be some of the
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  Speaker 2: first people that send Bibles out in the calendar year
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of the fiscal year of Bible League International. And I'm
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: so appreciative of their prayerful approach to what they do.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: They never for a minute think that it's in their power.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: They never for a minute think it's all about them.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: They know that this is a work of God and
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: they want to align themselves with what he's already doing
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: so that it is that much more effective getting the
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Bible into people's hands. Michael Woolworth is a member of
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the Bible League. He's on staff there and he's a
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: big advocate and he's been doing this for a number
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: of years and always comes and sees us. And Michael,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: we're so grateful this year on this expanded platform to
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  Speaker 2: be in 400 cities across the country and to be
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: able to say, hey, let's tell the whole country about
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Bible League. In the past, we've done it just in
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: the New York market for many, many years. And that
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: audience by itself, we've always been responsive in this cause.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: But now to get to have the expanded welcoming in
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: of the country on a nationwide basis, we're just so
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: grateful to be able to have them here. And lots
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: of new places are hearing us. Anchorage, Alaska, Greenville, South Carolina, Columbus, Ohio, Reno, Nevada.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, throw a dart. We're in someplace new every time.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And it's exciting to see. And we're thankful because those
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: of you who have been giving, you have been giving
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: from all over the country as well. We've had gifts
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: from Just about every region of the country. So thank
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: you for those of you that have stood with us already.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: 1,600 Bibles towards an ultimate goal of a little more
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: than 10,000. And just knowing that every time we send
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: a Bible out, about 12 people end up coming to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: know the Lord that did not know him previously is
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the kind of lifelong record of Bible League in terms
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: of what they've been able to track. And that's a
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: conservative estimate. That's an estimate they're safe in telling people
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: we feel good about this number. We don't feel like
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: it's an exaggeration at all. And if you follow that
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: number through, Michael, that means that our listeners in sending
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: 1,600 Bibles thus far are on the verge of reaching
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: nearly 20,000 people with the gospel. And if we add
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: another 8,800 Bibles to this mix, we're gonna see some
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: real amazing stuff that God does in the days and
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: weeks to come. So it's an exciting thing, and we're
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: excited that you're back.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's great to be back, Kevin. Yeah, you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: I'm grateful that you share our enthusiasm. You share the
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: burden that we have to make sure these Bibles reach these,
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: you know, empty waiting hands all over the world. It's
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: year 88 for Bible League. And Kevin, I've said this before,
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: we cannot do what we do without listening families like yours.
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: And again, grateful that they have a host that calls
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: them out to live out who they are in the
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: Lord every single day. And this, you know, this is
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: an opportunity for us. As you say, we got a
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: little bit of a jump here. On this campaign, we
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: spent a few weeks in July, took a little bit
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  Speaker 7: of a pause. We're back to tackle the remaining 8,000
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: that are needed. And each one of these is a
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: precious soul, right? Members of our spiritual family who have
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: said yes to Jesus. God has them planted in places
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: where they simply cannot access the Bible. But again, as
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: I love to say, enter this listening family call by call,
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: click by click. We're doing something about it. Let me
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: give you a little bit of perspective. You know, you
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: go back to the year 2020 when we were all
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: learning to navigate COVID restrictions. Bible League reached about 1.7
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: million people that year. Fast forward to the year 2025
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: last year. There was a 60% increase between those two
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: points in time, right? A 60% increase. That tells you what?
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: That God is at work in his world through his word.
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: We can tell you with confidence, as many as nine
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: of 10 new believers in different parts of the world, Asia, Africa,
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: the Middle East, and Latin America, crave what they cannot get,
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: and that is a Bible. And so again, we're doing
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: something about it for the princely sum of only $ 5
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: a Bible. Kevin, let me come into this hour thanking
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: some of your wonderful listeners. William of Verona, Pennsylvania said,
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: I'm in at 20 Bibles. Sherwin of Ridgefield Park, New
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: Jersey said, I'm in. A $ 200 gift for 40 Bibles.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: And then Doreen of Glendale, Arizona, one of those out
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: and about there, right? A $ 500 investment, enough to fill
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: the waiting hands of 100 believers that we know by
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: name at Bible League. And again, that's how it happens.
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: $ 5 sins of Bible. Kevin, we've got a Bible for
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: Bible match, meaning that every gift made, you know, this segment,
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: this hour is going to be matched by friends of
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: Bible League who say, look, we've got an opportunity here
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: to meet this incredible need. And again, regardless of size,
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: they said what? We want to double it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and friends, because of that, then there is incumbent
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: upon us to be somewhat urgent about this. We don't
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: want this match to dry up and go away and
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: not to have maximized the potential good that it is.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: If God moved in someone's heart to be generous and said,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: we're going to challenge your people and we're going to
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: match everything that they do, we should really see it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm not going to apologize for this. We really
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: should see it as God moving in that person, God
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: moving in that person's heart to unleash that generosity. So
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: would you consider asking yourself the question, how many Bibles
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: should I be giving, knowing that they will be doubled
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 48:33
  Speaker 14: 1-800-937-9673, 1-800-937-9673.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And Michael, one of the things I've said over and
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: over again that I appreciate about Bible League is that
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: it's not just this part of the world or that
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: part of the world. You guys are addressing the needs
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: of Christians globally from all different corners that are asking,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: can you help get me a Bible? They all have
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: two things in common. They all want a Bible. And
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: for a variety of reasons, none of them can get one.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: And Bible League is answering that question.
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: Well, more than 100 praying for Bibles right now. First
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: in Rwanda in Africa, Kwame, a 50-year-old Christian, lives near
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: the Ugandan border. He lost family and friends in the
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: Hutu-Tutsi conflict back in the 90s. Kevin, I know you
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: remember that. Became a believer about two years ago, was
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: trained to share Christ through Bible League's Project Philip study.
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: What is that? We put a face and a name
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: to our global strategy. What is that? It's a Bible study,
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: Christianity 101, the Gospel of John paired together. And this man, Kawabe,
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: has led 92 Rwandans to Christ. He's praying that they'll
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: soon have Bibles in the Swahili language. And then Andrea
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: is 25, another part of the world. She lives in
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: Venezuela near the capital of Caracas. When a friend shared
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: the gospel with her, she became a believer. Her entire family,
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: part of a religious cult, has shunned her. But Andrea
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: is one of these. It's been trained to share Christ.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: She's led 20 to the Lord. She's praying for Spanish
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: language Bibles. And so, you know, Kevin, I can tell
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: you there's a lot of reasons why there's a shortage
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: of Bibles. You know, again, you've covered these corrupt governments,
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: majority religions that pushback, there's remoteness, there's poverty, but really
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: it's God at work, right? Moving so quickly around the
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: world through spiritual awakenings and again, Christians saying, I've got
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: to wake up to following the Lord, right? It's created
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: this incredible need for Bible and there's 120 right now
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: that could benefit from your generosity today.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: 1-800-937-9673, 1-800-937-9673, or give online by going to thatkevinshow.com and
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: clicking the Bible League banner at the top of the page.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: From New York, That Kevin. Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: Grateful that you're with us, Kevin McCullough. Grateful to be
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: with you. Thatkevinshow.com and the banner at the top of
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: the page that says Bible League is what I want
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: to draw your attention to because we are in the
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: middle of something extremely exciting. Trying to supply Bibles to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: people who need them all over the world but don't
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: have access to them. And we have a special challenge today.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: There is a matching gift in effect for the next
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: 10 minutes for every person who gives a Bible. A
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: separate donor is going to come alongside and match you
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Bible for Bible. So in the next 10 minutes, as
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: many Bibles as we can possibly raise, that donor is
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: going to come alongside and do the same. Michael Woolworth
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: is back with us. And Michael, this is an exciting
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: knowledge to know that someone's going to synergistically encourage us
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: to do more and to be more productive. So we
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: want to take advantage of that right now.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: 1-800-YES-WORD.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: 1-800-Y-E-S-W-O-R-D. But when you talk to people about the need
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: for Bibles around the world, Michael, I think sometimes Americans
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: don't quite understand because we have them in such abundance here.
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Well, we have them in such abundance, but perhaps, Kevin,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: we're not mindful of the fact that God's at work
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: in His world, right? That people are coming to saving faith.
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: They're bowing the knee to Jesus to be able to
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: put Bibles into the empty waiting hands of believers even
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: half a world away. So that's what we're doing today.
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: And it comes at the price of $ 5 a Bible.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: 800-YES-WORD, 1-800-Y-E-S-W-O-R-D is the number. If you want the actual
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: number numbers, it's 800-937-9673, 1-800-937-9673. Or again, go to thatkevinshow.com
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: and click the banner at the top of the page.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: It says Bible League on it, and you'll click that through.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: And either way, whether you call or whether you give online,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: it's just going to take a couple of minutes. Michael,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: we have some people to thank because there have been
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: some people that have stepped up.
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, we started this back in July. Kevin
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: got a little bit of a jump on this goal
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: to bless just north of 10,000 waiting believers that we
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: know by name at Bible League. And we've seen almost
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: 2,000 sent to this point. Linda of Dallas, Texas said,
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: I'm in a 20 Bible gift today. That's a $ 100
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: tax deductible donation today. Keith of Hewitt, New Jersey said,
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: I'm in another $ 100 tax deductible gift for 20 Bibles.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: And then Steve listening in St. Paul, Minnesota said, count
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: me in, Kevin and Michael, 15 Bibles today. And again,
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: that adds to the tally of 55, putting us at
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: 1,626 Bibles at this point.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: And the need for the Bible is best expressed by
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: people that are actually in the field working with folks
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: that are asking for them. And I might add, this
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: is not just located on to one part of the
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: geography of the globe. You guys are literally working around
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: Well, we've been doing this since 1938, right? That was
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: always the intention of our founders, a couple by the
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: name of William and Betty Chapman, that, you know, we
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: would reach the globe with the gospel. And again, we've
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: been doing that for 88 years. You know, we're doing
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: that in places where there's war-torn regions, right? where people
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: live remotely, they've never heard the name of Jesus, right?
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: That's where Bible League serves. We're going to places, again,
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: where the light doesn't always pierce the darkness. And so
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: that's been our ministry for, again, almost 90 years. But
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: we go to places like China. I know fresh in
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: our minds is the terrible flooding that's been happening right
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: near the border of Tibet and Nepal, right? But again,
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: China is one of these places, Kevin, I know your
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: listeners are in the know, so they know the government
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: is doing everything it can to oppose the advance of Christianity.
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: They're jailing pastors. They're destroying churches. No advance notice, no
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: repercussions for those that would do that. And they attempt
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: to jail those who would try to gather for worship.
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: Let me give you a little perspective here. You've got
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: this audio clip. My colleague, Chow, tells us how to
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: pray worshipfully. from an informed perspective, if you will. He's
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: not saying, we're praying for your pity here in China.
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: We're not asking for your protections. He says what? They're
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: praying for the precious word of God.
• 55:10
  Speaker 17: If I have one minute for American brothers and sisters,
• 55:13
  Speaker 17: I just beg them to pray for China, for the
• 55:17
  Speaker 17: supply of the Bibles, and for God, we are opening
• 55:20
  Speaker 17: the door for the Chinese people to have the opportunity
• 55:24
  Speaker 17: to hear the.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Love of Christ.
• 55:27
  Speaker 17: Hmm.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: Chow is telling us what the prayers for what it's
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: the precious word of God for waiting believers. Again, many
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: of these we know by name at Bible League. You know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: there's a we estimate one hundred and sixty million evangelicals
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: in China right now. Forty million of those are registered
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: with what they call the three self-patriotic movement. Kevin, these
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: are churches that register with the government. When you do that,
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: they force upon you a sterilized Bible that essentially strips
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: Jesus of his deity. And so these Christians, they've got
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: to have the real thing. Let me tell you how
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: strict the government is in China. In the Yunnan province,
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: this is in southwest China, north of Laos, there's 12,000
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: grid officers. What they do is they monitor 90% of
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: the villages in that province, right? And they report religious
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: activity to the authorities. People have been jailed. Churches have
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: been shut down. I mean, Christians are afraid of their future.
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: And so, you know, think about these flock cameras, right,
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: that are in the news, right? So there's facial recognition.
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: There's data monitoring. And again, that makes it difficult to
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: go online to find a Bible, to be able to,
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: you know, to buy one, to even access, you know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: a script of the Bible online. God's at work. I
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: also wanted you to hear this audio clip from my colleague,
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: a woman by the name of Milon. As Bibles reach
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: those empty waiting hands, Kevin, this is what is happening.
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: There's first generation Christians who for the very first time
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: in the history of their family, some of these may
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: be Buddhist or Confucianist, Taoist, you name it, right? These
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: are first generation Christians. This ought to be exciting as
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: Milan talks about what's happening in China.
• 57:12
  Speaker 18: There are about 4 million people who accept Christ each
• 57:15
  Speaker 18: year in China. But the large majority of these Christians
• 57:18
  Speaker 18: do not have a Bible of their very own. For
• 57:20
  Speaker 18: many groups, there is only one Bible for the 10
• 57:23
  Speaker 18: people who attend. There are even some groups that do
• 57:26
  Speaker 18: not have a Bible at all, but they gather to
• 57:29
  Speaker 18: encourage one another with the scriptures they memorize. When these
• 57:32
  Speaker 18: Bibles arrive, there are tears of joy everywhere. This means
• 57:36
  Speaker 18: that our families receive a Bible. They are able to
• 57:39
  Speaker 18: begin reading the Word of God together, and they are
• 57:41
  Speaker 18: the first to build a legacy of following Christ through
• 57:44
  Speaker 18: reading His Word.
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if they don't have a Bible, oftentimes, Kevin, what
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: they do is they memorize it, right? They memorize scriptures.
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: They'll take the Bibles that they have, they'll distribute those,
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: and they'll memorize the scriptures. But how much better when
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: you can open up your own Mandarin language Bible, right?
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: Read those precious promises of God. You know, one of
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: those scriptures that comes to mind is Proverbs 3, and
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: it says, don't withhold good from those to whom it
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: is due when it is within your power to act.
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  Speaker 7: And again, simple directive from Solomon. When you have the opportunity,
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  Speaker 7: come alongside believers like these in Communist China Day. Again,
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  Speaker 2: of response to the show and to, you know, what
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: we say on the air regularly. And there are actually people,
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  Speaker 2: that are a little dumbfounded that people in these places
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  Speaker 2: all over the world actually want a Bible instead of
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  Speaker 2: a different government, instead of a plate of food, instead
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: of something that would seem to be more practical to
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: their needs, that they're actually asking for the word of God.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: How would you answer that question from a skeptic?
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  Speaker 7: Well, you know, we've partnered for more than 20 years.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, Kevin, as I've come and I've shared stories, right,
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  Speaker 7: A lot of times it comes down to one Bible.
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  Speaker 7: It's one Bible. Somebody was able to get their hands
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  Speaker 7: we say a dozen people impacted with every Bible. Kevin,
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  Speaker 7: we've shared stories of a hundred people impacted, more than
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  Speaker 7: a thousand, even in communist China, among the house church movement,
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  Speaker 7: a pastor by the name of Katsu that led his
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  Speaker 7: interrogator to Christ, right? Together, they've witnessed more than a
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  Speaker 7: thousand people coming to Jesus. So again, I know it's
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  Speaker 7: tempting to say, what does my $ 5 gift in this
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  Speaker 7: stories we've shared over many, many years tells you what
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  Speaker 7: God's at work in his world. And again, believe this,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: believe in faith. What he says in Isaiah 55, my
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  Speaker 7: Solomon writes there in Proverbs three, again, Don't withhold good
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  Speaker 7: from those to whom it is due when it is
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  Speaker 7: within your power to act. And again, the opportunity we
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  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York, That Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: as we can, but hopefully a little more than 10,000
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: people this fall, because that's the list. That's the names
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  Speaker 2: of people that Bible League knows personally who have completed
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: their initial Bible study, Project Philip Bible study program that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: have now requested a copy of the scriptures for themselves,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: which is an amazing thing. in and of itself when
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  Speaker 2: you think of it. But you call that number 1-800-937-9673.
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  Speaker 2: you're putting the truth of God's word into somebody's hands
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  Speaker 2: and heart and mind and life and family who desperately
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: want it. Michael Woolworth is back with us from Bible League.
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  Speaker 2: And Michael, this is always something that's impressive to me.
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  Speaker 2: The countries that Bible League goes to are really, really,
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  Speaker 2: in some cases, it's very hard to imagine what you
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  Speaker 2: guys do. And yet you're able to accomplish it because
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: of God's grace and his protection, including really tough places
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: like China.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, let me take you to China as I do that.
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  Speaker 7: Let me say thanks to Debbie of Dunnell in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 7: She said, Michael, Kevin, I'm in at 10 Bibles. Kathy
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: of Elizabeth, Colorado said, I'm in at seven Bibles. And
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: then David listening in New Jersey said, count me in
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  Speaker 7: a $ 100 tax deductible gift for 20 Bibles. And we're
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: closing in on 2,000. As you say, Kevin, our goal,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: a little ambitious, but we want to be at just
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  Speaker 7: north of 10,000 by the time we wrap up at
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  Speaker 7: the end of September. You know, as I recollect where
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: things ended last fall, as we did a little bit
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: in the summer, took a little bit of a pause,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: came back. Your listeners knocked out 9,900 Bibles. We were
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  Speaker 7: able to, I got to tell you, to be able
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  Speaker 7: to share that with waiting believers, I mean, to say, look,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: your Bibles are coming. There's no greater thrill that we
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: have at Bible League than to say the Bibles, they're
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: as good as they are. But yeah, Kevin, you're right
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: about China. China is one of these difficult places where
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: the gospel is truly making an impact today. You and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: I talked about the Bible access list, you know, Bible
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  Speaker 7: League joining with other Bible agencies in the last couple
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: of years to look at 88 countries where we know
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: the needs are the greatest. We identified where the greatest
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  Speaker 7: restrictions are. China is on that list. And also where
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  Speaker 7: the opportunity for putting Bibles in the empty waiting hands.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: In China, there's more than 10 million believers right now
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: who have said yes to Jesus and they're waiting for
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: a Bible. And so China making both of those restricted options.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: and an opportunistic list of part of the Bible access list.
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  Speaker 7: If you want to know more about it, it's available
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  Speaker 7: free of charge, bibleleague.org forward slash the letters B-A-L for
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: Bible access list. But my colleague, Chow, tries to share
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  Speaker 7: with us how we can pray effectively as North American Christians, right?
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  Speaker 7: Praying for brothers and sisters in China. As you listen
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  Speaker 7: to this, Listen to what he doesn't say. Kevin, he's
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: not saying we're praying for your pity or for your
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: protections today, an airline ticket out of a place where
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: the government is antagonistic toward the gospel. What's he saying?
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  Speaker 7: This is Chow, and he's in China.
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  Speaker 17: If I have one minute for American brothers and sisters,
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  Speaker 17: I just beg them to pray for China, for the
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  Speaker 17: supply of the Bibles, and for God, we are opening
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  Speaker 17: the door for the Chinese people to have the opportunity
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  Speaker 17: to hear the love of Christ.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what the greatest need is. Boots on the ground.
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  Speaker 7: He's a pastor there. He speaks both Mandarin and English.
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  Speaker 7: And again, Kevin, he's saying, look, we covet your prayers.
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  Speaker 7: We cherish the prayers you make on behalf of believers here.
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  Speaker 7: Let me tell you what Christians are up against. In
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  Speaker 7: the Yunnan province, this is in southwest China, just north
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  Speaker 7: of Laos. You know, one of those praying for a
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  Speaker 7: Bible right now is Nuon, a former atheist in China
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  Speaker 7: near Beijing. Kevin, she fell seriously ill. There was a
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  Speaker 7: Christian there. named a man, one of her neighbors who
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: nursed her back to health, shared Christ with her. Today,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: she's a believer. She's praying for a Bible in Mandarin. And,
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  Speaker 7: you know, stories like that are not in short supply.
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  Speaker 7: My other colleague, a woman by the name of Milan,
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  Speaker 7: talks about first generation Christians. These are people, listen, their bloodline,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: if you will, is not steep in Christianity. These are
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  Speaker 7: first generation Christians who are being able to open up
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  Speaker 7: their Bibles and and read the precious promises of God.
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  Speaker 7: This is Milan, and she is in communist China.
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  Speaker 18: There are about 4 million people who accept Christ each
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  Speaker 18: year in China, but the large majority of these Christians
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  Speaker 18: do not have a Bible of their very own. For
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  Speaker 18: many groups, there is only one Bible for the 10
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 18: people who attend. There are even some groups that do
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  Speaker 18: not have a Bible at all, but they gather to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 18: encourage one another with the scriptures they memorize. When these
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 18: Bibles arrive, there are tears of joy everywhere. This means
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 18: that our families receive a Bible. They are able to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 18: begin reading the Word of God together, and they are
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 18: the first to build a legacy of following Christ through
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 18: reading His Word.
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  Speaker 7: It doesn't matter if you're in Beijing, China, Kevin, New
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  Speaker 7: York City. I'm in the Chicago area. I know you've
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: got a lot of listeners, Colorado, Arizona. You know, as believers,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: we all desire the same thing, right? We want to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: love the Lord with every fiber of our being. We
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: want to obey Him in every circumstance. We want to
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: make Him known and essentially enjoy Him forever, right? And
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: that's the same thing that Christians are praying for in
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  Speaker 7: communist China. Kevin, I've got a Mandarin Bible with me
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: here in studio. I know your listeners can't see it,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: so I'll describe it. Basic black cover, Bible League translated
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: this maybe 40 years ago, right? Millions have come to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: Christ using this Bible. They're reading this today. And I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: opened this, I see what? The beautiful Mandarin print. I'm
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 7: not fluent in Mandarin. I don't think you are, Kevin.
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  Speaker 7: So this Bible means very little to the two of us.
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  Speaker 7: But to the Christians that we're talking about right now
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  Speaker 7: in communist China, they would give absolutely anything for what
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  Speaker 7: we're holding today. And that's why we're here doing this kingdom.
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  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York, that Kevin. Kevin McCullough.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: All right, it's Money Monday. We continue our discussion, try
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: to help you protect and extend your legacy. You work
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: hard for what you earn. We want you to make
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: the most of it. Scott Martin is filling in for
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: his boss, Hillary Kramer, today. She is on the road,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: is always busy around the 9-11 issue. time of year
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: because her husband was one of those brave first responders
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: who were there and went above and beyond doing everything
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: that he could. Passed away a couple of years ago
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: due to some cancer, and she is always helping her
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: children remember this time. So she's not with us today,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: but she will be back. But Scott, it's kind of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: a strange start to the week for the markets. What
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: do you make of it?
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  Speaker 5: Kevin, thank you for being here, and thanks for having me.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: What we're making of it is, speaking of people traveling
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: in the summer, Kevin Warsh, the new guy at the Fed,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: went out to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and said some things
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: that got a few people scared about bonds and interest
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: rates and all that stuff.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Well, so what did he say, and essentially what did
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: it mean?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: He said what everyone was afraid of, which is, I
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: don't like the way prices are going. I'm going to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: raise interest rates if I need to to get inflation
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: back under control. And it's a simple thing, but he's
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: literally between a rock and a hard place. We all are.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: We can work our way out of this. But in
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: the meantime, people are starting to grapple with the fact
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: that this won't.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: Be as easy as people hoped.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Well, so... So functionally, what is the market reacting to?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Just the raised interest rates? What does that mean? What's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: the expectation of how much he's going to raise and
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: what does that do to normal economic activity?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, let's break it down. He might raise rates
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: maybe a half a point in 2027. So they go
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: up a little bit. And if you recall, Powell talked
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: rates down about a point. So we would not be
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: at the peak, but we won't be going in the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: easy direction. And what that does is it puts a
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: little bit of pressure.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: On the bond market. And, you know, the U.S. government
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: has borrowed.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: About $ 30 trillion, give or take, to fund the government,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: keep things going.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: And that's what bond market is.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: So, you know, if bond rates go up, it costs
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: the government more. That's not a cycle they want to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: look forward to. And so it's putting Scott Besant right
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: up against Kevin Warsh there.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: So that's interesting because the president wanted both of these
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: men in the positions that they're in, more or less.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: What do you make of what the outcome of this is?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Who wins, ultimately?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: The outcome, who wins?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: Well, obviously, the American people can find a way out
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: of this. We've had stagflation before. We've had massively high
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: interest rates. We've had massively high inflation. We got through it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: And for the people listening to the show, I think
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: the big deal, the big picture is a lot of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: people own U.S. treasuries because, you know, in a retirement
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: portfolio for the average person, it's the safest thing. little
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: bit more questionable you're going to want to find safety
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: somewhere else maybe in uh great american companies you could
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: buy stocks that pay you dividends just like bonds do
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: yeah maybe that's a place to go uh we've been
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: talking to people you know the boring stocks uh like Merck,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: who had that amazing cancer trial the other day. These companies,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: you catch them at the right minute, they're going to
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: pay you 8%, 9% a year just in dividends. And
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: you don't have to sell the stock. You get that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: every year. It's just like a bond, but it pays better.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: And maybe even it's a little bit safer.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at right now, I'm looking at Pfizer
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: and their dividend is what, 6.5% right now. And I
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: think Campbell's Soup is another one that Hillary turned me
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: on to. I was not talking about great American companies,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: but she wasn't lying. They're at 6.5%, almost 7% as
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: the Campbell's company as well. So a couple of ideas there.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: What are some other plays that you would put in
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: that safe bubble area? area right now?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: Big pharma we love. Microsoft pays a dividend. All the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: big tech companies. And that's another point is the AI
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: data center boom, that's like $ 10 trillion in new money
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: that's going into the corporate bond market.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: And it pays better yields than the U.S. government.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: And whether that's safer or not, that's up to every
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: investor to determine for themselves. But you can lock in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: a better return over there.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: So a lot of money is going that direction, which
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: then starves the treasury market, and those yields go up.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Let's shift gears for a second. SpaceX launched a pretty
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: exciting launch this weekend, and their stock is up slightly
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: today after several days of kind of taking a pounding.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: That activity is good, and I think also their– Is
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: their Starlink business looking good?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: Starlink is looking amazing. The launch business, the orbital data centers,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: that's whatever. That's up to someone else. But Starlink, we
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: look at SpaceX as... a lot like Google was 25
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: years ago, Google, when it came out on the market,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: similar situation, the insiders were selling, you know, to raise
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: some cash.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: Nobody really understood the company.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: And today it's worth trillions of dollars that is made
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: for shareholders who held on SpaceX, you know, started, uh,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: started a trillion dollars could easily be a lot bigger,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: but you got to hold on to it with conviction
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: for like 10, 15 years.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think that, um, I think that with
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk, there's always fun little surprises along the way,
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  Speaker 2: so we'll see how that goes.
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  Speaker 4: You'll keep it interesting.
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  Speaker 2: What sector do you think that impacts best? What would
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  Speaker 2: you be looking for outside of those great American companies
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  Speaker 2: that you mentioned?
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  Speaker 4: What is best? Well, if someone is not hiding under.
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  Speaker 5: The bed terrified of the Fed … Consider people who
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  Speaker 5: buy a lot of mortgage debt. Companies like, what is it, Annalie,
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  Speaker 5: ticker symbols N-L-Y.
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  Speaker 15: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: They're paying a massive, because what they are is they're
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  Speaker 5: a real estate investment company that simply buys mortgage debt.
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  Speaker 5: And they're getting it cheap now because, you know, people
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  Speaker 5: are a little nervous, you know, OF interest rates rising.
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  Speaker 5: go up just a notch, then the real estate market
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  Speaker 5: will crash. And I don't think so. Hillary doesn't think so.
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  Speaker 5: And in that case, these companies are making a lot
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  Speaker 5: of money and they're locking in higher and higher yields
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  Speaker 5: on that mortgage debt. You can get, I think, like 11%
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  Speaker 5: a year on Annalene.
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  Speaker 9: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: Well, in parts of the world where there's not an
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  Speaker 19: The importance of church planter training, it can't be understated,
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  Speaker 19: especially in places like Africa where syncretism, which is the
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's talking about Ghana, Africa specifically. It's a Francophone country.
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  Speaker 7: not only an ordained pastor, Kevin, he's a licensed snake handler.
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  Speaker 7: You were on that list. You politely declined. The timing
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  Speaker 7: Rescuing reticulated pythons from harming people. But anyway, he's also
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  Speaker 7: a church planter. And again, he's in a part of Africa, again,
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