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#121: Guy Ben-Hanan / Charlie Kirk, Moral Battles, Jewish Meditation & Thought · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of a come together
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  and we're live. No time, dude.
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  Cheers. Pouring out for Charlie.
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  Man oh man, how many places to go with this dude?
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  Or a fan, Emma. Yeah, man.
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  What the holy soul? No.
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  So about Charlie Kirk. Yeah, what do you it?
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  Doesn't make sense. People would say that he was
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  shot and killed by Israel or Jew.
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  He's like the biggest advocate, the biggest non Jewish advocate
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  for Israel. Yeah.
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  Ever. Yeah, and so vocal and he has
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  such far reach it would it makes more sense.
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  On the youth generation too, like if Israel has been losing
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  the PR war for the last three years on camp, you know on
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  campuses and across like the youth groups, right.
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  He's the only, he's literally the one of the only advocates
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  that's going like from college campus to college campus
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  preaching about Israel or talking about the positive
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  influence of Israel and. People were saying that he's
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  like shifting gears. Yeah, right.
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  That's the claim. But there is still so much more
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  to gain from him being 95%. Yeah.
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  On your page. Then 5% critical which?
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  Is my insanity so dumb? But also also, we know that I
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  found this kid. He what?
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  They found the kid, apparently. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Dude, what do?
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  You mean that they're going to stop being anti?
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  They're going. To no well, of course not, but
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  you think that but I mean, I'm sure the kids not a huge fan of
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  Israel. You know they're doing the 22
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  year old I. Bet you they'll find some way to
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  link it back. Netanyahu, pay this guy to shoot
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  to shoot him or they said I didn't.
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  I haven't looked into it so much but they said that there was
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  like a Jewish guy who stopped. Or yeah, who claimed to be
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  claimed to be the shooter first to like let the guy get away?
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  Always a Jewish guy that FS things up because.
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  I don't know, man. You know what's funny?
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  I was talking about college students about it, and they were
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  like, how could the FBI make a mistake?
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  How could the FBI students, college, high school students
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  about this and they're like, how could the FBI make 2 mistakes on
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  like who the guy is? Like wouldn't like the like
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  witnesses like say who it was? And I'm like, I want to paint
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  like a picture. Like I was like, if I'm 19 to 20
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  and Charlie Kirk is coming and I'm going with my friends and
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  hanging out in the back, I'm probably pretty drunk.
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  Like I'm probably pregaming that like event, you know, and yeah,
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  probably. Weren't sober.
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  Yeah, and also, like, you're in a crowd with thousands of
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  people. He's speaking all of a sudden,
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  like like it probably happened so fast.
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  You're not even looking. You're on your phone, you're
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  texting, you're doing whatever you're with your friends, you're
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  talking, you're most of the people probably weren't
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  listening, especially from all the way back where like these
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  camera footages are right? And then like and then something
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  goes off and everyone starts panicking.
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  Who the heck is going to be a reliable witness as to like who
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  the right person? You know who the?
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  People who had videos of this guy on the roof.
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  Beforehand was crazy. But why and?
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  Welcome you. Yeah, that should be legal.
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  What should be illegal? It should be illegal to take a
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  video of someone that is about to commit a crime commits the
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  crime. But you don't submit that.
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  Like you don't give that. You don't give that tip.
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  Interesting. I don't know if I actually think
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  it should be illegal. I don't know if I didn't think
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  it all the way through like the with potential consequences on
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  both ends. Say something a guy goes on a
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  roof in the middle. Of A and like he's in a slight
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  position dude. He's like, on his stomach like.
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  How do you not scream something like, hey, there's a guy on the
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  roof? Yeah, I think that people are.
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  I think that people are afraid to say things and draw attention
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  to themselves. Do you?
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  Because I saw a guy who was celebrating immediately after he
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  got shot. Well, that was well, yeah, I saw
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  that guy too. I think that one guy is an
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  extreme case and I think that the average, like even myself, I
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  was in, I was in it when I was in Israel for the year.
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  I was on a bus and someone left a bag on the bus and I will
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  racial stereotype because it was an Arab that like I'm like all
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  Jewish bus, you know, left a bag and walked off and then came
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  back like a second later realized I forgot the bag and
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  got it right. But in that like you're scared 5
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  seconds that in between I was genuinely scared and I also did
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  absolutely nothing right. Like I didn't go to the bus
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  driver. I didn't like say, Hey, what's
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  going on? I didn't like make a big deal,
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  but like if you see like the notion of like see something,
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  say something doesn't really exist because we're all in our
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  heads about like not wanting to look like idiots, you know,
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  around with everyone around us. Yeah, better to look like an
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  idiot, that would be. Wrong.
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  I know dude, it's easy to say. Hope.
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  I hope that God forbid I'm never in that situation.
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  But I hope, I hope that if I am ever in that situation, I have
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  the the knowledge or the insight to actually do something that
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  OK, maybe I'll be embarrassed and like I'm wrong.
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  But like on the off pants exactly right as Israel is way
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  better about that culturally than we are.
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  Why? Because they need to no.
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  No, no, what like. About like, oh, because every,
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  every, if you go, if you go to Ben Gurion Airport, you're by
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  Tel Aviv. Every couple of days there's
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  some kind of bomb scare, like someone saying something about
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  something going on to the bomb team, the bomb squad sent there,
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  and it's not because there's a bomb every couple of days
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  talking. About the civilians or you
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  talking about the people that work in the airports?
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  I'm talking about this, this the bombs, the the the security for
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  the airport will identify, yeah, a bag and shut down portions of
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  the airport until it's figured out on a very frequent basis.
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  Yeah, right. And I and part of the reason why
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  is I believe, I would imagine is because they, that part of that
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  culture is to actually like be weary and say something.
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  Like they're on high alert. They're on high alert all the
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  time. That makes sense.
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  We're not in high alert all the time because I you know, because
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  we're freaking 5000 miles away from all our enemies.
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  We're comfortable, but not as this is what I've been thinking
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  about. Like does what?
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  So what happens from here? Like, does it have to hit a
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  point of like rock bottom before people start to get to change?
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  Like, what's what's it going to take in America Change?
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  Yeah. Yeah, We just saw the lead the
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  the chick gets stabbed on the bus.
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  Anything and these are happening in such.
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  Dude, I saw the. Forward amount of.
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  You saw the video of her reaction to happening I.
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  Don't watch these. Videos.
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  I don't watch them either. I watch the video and then I
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  yeah, what can you, I know you. Can you imagine?
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  Just mind your own business and then all of a sudden you just
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  realize, oh shit, like I'm just dead.
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  You get stabbed in the jugular. And then you just like, but
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  she's like, and then like, she's kind of like put her head
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  between her arms and just like fell, you know, And I'm like,
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  and like, she knew what was happening.
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  Oh, God, yeah, Dude, you know what?
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  I'm the way that I hope that it's not going to happen, but
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  what I fear is like, and this is completely baseless, just like
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  what I feel like that with my post on like the like the
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  emotional feel of society. I feel like it all this stuff
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  feels like it's trying to invoke a reaction like this is
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  happening to. It feels like this happening a
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  lot, not exclusively, but very frequently to obviously
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  conserve, You know, people are more on the quote UN quote
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  conservative spectrum. What do you call that?
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  Religious or white, You know, which is so funny because white
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  doesn't have to be conservative, but like, they're just like,
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  white has just become. So people that are white have
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  just become so antithetical to people on the left that they're
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  almost grouped that way by default.
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  Like, they're almost like pushed into that side.
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  Yeah. They're villainized to the point
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  where like, you just make that assumption because the the
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  villainization's been going on for over a decade now.
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  Right, You want to talk about racial profiling or stereotypes?
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  Yeah. Dude, it's the exact opposite.
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  It's like, oh, because you're white, you must be conservative.
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  You must have some sort of. If you're white, in good shape
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  and like you wear like regular clothes, you have to be, yeah,
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  it's straight. You have to be conservative.
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  And you're like, what are you talking about?
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  And you're pushing and you're pushing it.
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  And but it's be they're pushed into that camp, right?
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  Like a lot of the people probably wouldn't even put
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  themselves in that camp unless they were pushed into or or
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  forced into it by it's. True.
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  Yeah, they are getting pushed into that camp.
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  Guana peed in the pool. Is that what happened?
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  No. Could have been dude, did you
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  drop the deuce in your pool? You kidding me?
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  What is that? That's.
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  Pretty sure what's happening right now.
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  What's happening dude? That can't be right, dude.
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  Is that an iguana up there? They're for sure dropping a
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  deuce in your pool. No, they're not, man.
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  Yeah, they are. Keep talking for a minute.
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  So Fran right now is checking out his pool.
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  He's just noticing right now that iguanas are peeing and
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  pooping in his pool from a tree overhead.
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  Look, dude, there's the tail right there.
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  Oh my God. Hey, what the?
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  Fuck. Hilarious.
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  And the pool's out of the bathroom, you see he's hanging
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  over the pool, dude. He doesn't care.
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  Also, he's aiming for the pool. He's aiming for your pool.
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  He could have easily gone to butt over and hit the grass.
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  Jesus Christ, man, now I don't feel.
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  As bad when I peed in your pool? Wow, at least they didn't drop a
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  deuce. Yeah, I do.
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  Well, the truth is, I mean, I started watching the pool guy
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  when he comes on Monday to clean him, like he just like, just
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  takes like, what looks like bleach and just like, just like
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  dumps a container in and just like mixes it and walks away.
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  And I'm like, that's it. That's what you're doing.
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  Yeah, that's it. He.
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  He cleans the filter too. Is that David?
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  Yeah. Still, everyone I know fired him
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  except for me. Kitty fired him.
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  No, Kitty's lazy. He didn't want to get another
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  guy, but everyone else I know fired him.
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  Well, to be fair, Pool doesn't look so bad besides for all the
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  leaves. No, it looks great.
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  It looks pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But I. Was great with my new guy.
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  So I so, yeah, so I feel I was telling my, I was actually
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  talking to my students about this and I was saying that.
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  Wait, can I cut you off for a second?
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  Sure, dude. That your students, they know
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  Charlie Kirk? Like, do they see him?
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  Do they listen? Some do, some just heard, heard
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  his name and then heard he got killed.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Like go to a bunch of them asked
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  me to like see the video. I'm like dude, I'm not showing a
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  15 year old the video of a young dad getting killed.
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  Why? Like what are you talking about?
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  I didn't even watch the video. I saw the.
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  I saw the video from like Ariel. Yeah.
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  And then I saw a screenshot of my.
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  Someone sent me a screenshot of literally the.
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  Shot. Yeah, in his neck.
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  And I'm like, there's no way that he's surviving it didn't
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  you said it nicked, I think. Was it you or maybe Pacey?
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  Who? Said Nicked.
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  But it was. And then I saw the screenshot.
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  I'm like, that's not a Nick. No, but it hit the IT didn't go
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  through his neck. It like hit like the side.
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  They looked like a hole. Yeah, and I didn't look that
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  close, dude, and I didn't get any screenshots.
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  Thank God, dude. Well.
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  Yeah, you're saying? So their kids wanted to see it.
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  I said no, but I also said that and this is actually I'm
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  starting to kind of believe that and maybe I don't even know what
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  I, I, I think I believe that this is the case that it almost
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  feel like it's not just an attack.
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  There's not just an attack on the West.
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  There's a there's an attack on, on, on relationships and family
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  values and life, essentially, right.
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  And like the the trans shooter the other week that shot up the.
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  Christian And I think a step further, I think it's more it's
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  it's an attack on on speech. You're you killed a guy because
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  of what he said. He didn't go ahead.
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  He might have spoken about being pro-life, right?
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  But he never, he never went ahead and forced anyone to carry
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  out a pregnancy, right? So he's just talking, he's.
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  Never actor. He's not an actor.
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  Right, he's talking about ideas that people disagree with.
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  Yeah. And and, and hopefully making a
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  difference, but still, it's from his, his ideas.
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  And I think it, it's worthwhile mentioning.
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  I saw this guy this this rabbi on on Fox News.
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  Did you see him? Well, in a second, I don't
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  remember his name, but dude, it was such a good parallel.
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  He's like Charlie Kirk was the Avramavino of of our time.
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  No, it was very funny, a great line.
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  He'd go. He'd go.
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  Avramavino was the only. Everyone is throwing their kids
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  into volcanoes, sacrificing their children in a time where
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  idolatry is. Yeah, everywhere.
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  And Avraham's the only one. Avraham's the only one who's
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  talking. And, you know, And you know what
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  he does? He says, come into my tent.
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  Yeah, come in. Let's have a conversation.
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  People leave the tent, and they're like, hey, you know
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  what? That's a good discussion.
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  Wow. Charlie Kirk is the guy who will
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  set up shop with a literal tent. So.
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  Hey, let's have a. Discussion about this and change
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  people's minds that way. Yeah, God saves Avraham though.
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  Yeah, but. Yeah, You know, it's, it's
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  heartbreaking. You know, I hope, I hope that
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  this actually causes a step in the right direction because the
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  response could have been like blind rage that like would have
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  led to like catastrophe. Like what I, I showed actually
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  both my students, my students, the movies, the Joker with the
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  Batman with the Joker. Like he didn't want to like hurt
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  the Batman. He wanted Batman to abandon his
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  values. Like, that's what he wants.
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  Like that's what his goal was. His goal was to get Batman to
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  like, break his one rule and to like, believe that society and
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  like what? Batman is this.
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  This is a famous one with Dark Knight, Yeah, Dark Knight, Heath
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  Ledger. And with the interrogation
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  scene, when, when, when Joker tells Batman not that way, but
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  the one that leads to that, right.
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  So where he has to either choose between Denton, whatever his
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  name is, and, and the girl, and he's like, you're going to have
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  to commit murder one way or the other because you're going to
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  choose one life over the other. So now, Batman, you're a
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  murderer, right? You know, and I'm going to force
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  you to abandon you. I'm going to push you to the
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  point that you abandon your values, right?
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  You know, so good. I love that you show that.
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  I did and then I showed them the scene from the new Spider Man,
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  the one with the three like Tony with Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire
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  and and the scene at the end where he's fighting Andrew
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  Garfield's not to leave him out. Shut up.
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  You're the man. Dude.
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  You look remarkably young for a man in like your mid 40s.
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  Something like dude he was Spider Man like 25 years ago.
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  No, not that long. Ago 15 years ago, 15 years ago.
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  Spider Man's like Tobey Barr's like 65 dude, and he looks so
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  your choir looked like a pedophile in the first Spider
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  Man movies dude. Sorry man.
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  Somehow looked 30 as spider man. Yeah, dude, like Peter Parker's
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  like in high school hitting on like a 14 year old dude, what is
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  going on? But.
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  What was the scene that you showed?
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  The scene that I showed them was at the end when the Green Goblin
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  also wanted Tom Holland to kill him.
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  Right? Yeah.
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  And, and Tom Holland is going nuts.
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  And, and what I loved about that scene in particular was that you
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  can see in his body language and his face that he lost control.
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  Like he's not being himself. You see his veins, I think.
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  Yeah, you think it. I think I remember.
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  Between his eyes. Or his or his head.
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  I remember, but I remember. He's got a blood streak, a
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  couple of blood streaks just from like, fighting.
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  Well, that was makeup. But yeah.
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  His acting was the thing that brought out them.
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  And then his face and you've seen his face and there's a
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  moment in his face where you could see that he's deciding
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  that he's going to do this. Like he's deciding he's going to
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  kill Green Goblin, He's going to become a murderer, right?
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  And like he's going to abandon that like neighborhood spider
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  man value and like and he's puts his arm up and he's about to do
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  and Tobey McGuire stops him. And Tobey Mcguire's face, like
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  his eyes just say, like, what are you doing?
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  Like, read, stop for you don't want to become this.
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  And it feels like all this violence and all this cancelling
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  and all this, like her is like trying to get people to abandon
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  their values. And I feel that way even about
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  the people that carry out the crimes, like like the trans
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  shooter. If you intentional.
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  The trans shooter I read like his part of the video that was
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  up was like his notebook and there's like a four page
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  manifesto. If you actually read the
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  manifesto, he sounds sick, lost, scared and sad.
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  Like he doesn't sound like a hateful villain that wants like
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  nothing more than to like like turn society on his head and
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  like an evil plot to like be like a villain.
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  Like he's like, I don't even know why I'm so angry.
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  I don't even know how like what's going on.
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  I know that like I'm getting poisons from like all around me
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  and like, and it's just been building up for so long and
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  like, I don't know, I and I just have to like go before I go.
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  I have to like, I have, I have this anger.
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  I have to like, I have to, I have to acknowledge this.
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  I have to like, do something about it and like, dude, to live
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  in that guy's head for the last X amount of years, you know,
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  that he's probably experiencing this.
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  And I was also thinking, you know, do we have a legitimate
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  loneliness epidemic? Do you ever listen to Scott
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  Galloway talk about it or Diary of a CEO?
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  Only only clips of that, but yeah, I love, I love both of
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  them. Diary of a CEO.
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  I listen to more, but I mean, I don't, I don't care if I get
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  cancelled for this, but transgenderism was a mental
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  illness up until whatever, like a couple of years ago.
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  And then it became an acceptable thing and thing that was
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  celebrated and encouraged. And now you see it all the time
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  for people who are transgender aren't when they, when they
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  transition, it doesn't make them happier.
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  They're not. They're they're still missing
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  that void. Yeah, so and then they have to,
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  I guess, express it in some other way.
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  And then you have people talking about it like Charlie Kirk, and
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  you just keep talking about it, saying, hey, this is an illness,
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  like we have to. Get did you see the way he spoke
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  to the student about it? There's a video clip.
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  I was talking to a student and she was like, listen, I want you
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  to be feel comfortable in your body and in your skin.
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  He's like what I'm asking of you.
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  He's like what you're about to do is about to be a decision
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  that can't go, that you can't go back on.
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  Right, give some context. Sorry, this trans student,
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  apparently he's having debate with that with with this trans
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  student. Is that a college campus?
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  Yeah, or the on a college campus and.
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  And she's talking to him and he asks her, do you mind if I hear
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  your story? And she says, well, I haven't
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  come to my body since like third grade and like I always knew
• 18:44
  like I and, and he's like, and were you like I forgot.
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  I don't want to like fill in the lines because I don't remember
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  the exact, but the jet. But what he said at the end was
• 18:54
  the premise of what he was saying was you have a lot of
• 18:57
  different potential sources of why you feel this way.
• 19:00
  And the route that you're taking is going to have a permanent
• 19:03
  consequence where the other routes don't necessarily have to
• 19:06
  yet. So before you start making
• 19:08
  decisions that you can't go back from, start with decisions that
• 19:13
  you could go back with and that you could feel out and that you
• 19:15
  could say, hey, maybe this works, maybe it doesn't work.
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  But like before, like and, you know, and like the example
• 19:21
  hypothetically could be like before you get a tattoo, put one
• 19:24
  of those kid ones on, you know, for a couple of days, see how
• 19:26
  you like it and then decide, oh, you'll want this for the rest of
• 19:28
  my life or not, you know, and like you can always change your
• 19:30
  mind if it with one of those like Kitty things and you get it
• 19:33
  now, you know, turn on, you know.
• 19:34
  I haven't heard him say that, but that's so good.
• 19:37
  And. Maybe take medication and see
• 19:40
  how you feel These dude, Zach. A lot of them are medicated.
• 19:43
  My, my three-year old son, I can't tell how many times he's
• 19:46
  told me something about wearing nail Polish, being a girl.
• 19:50
  I'm like, you're a boy, dude. Like.
• 19:52
  And then he gets excited. I'm a boy.
• 19:54
  And I'm like, yeah. And you're strong and you're
• 19:56
  fast and you're mean and you're aggressive.
• 19:59
  And he's like, and he gets pumped up and he goes, ah, but
• 20:01
  let me climb on your neck. I'm like, yeah.
• 20:04
  But he also, but he also has an older sister and a mom that's
• 20:06
  having that, that, that he, that he's appealing to also, you
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  know. But if I were to encourage him
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  and. Say yeah, yeah, yeah, honey,
• 20:13
  Yeah. Something else?
• 20:14
  Are you, do you really feel that way?
• 20:16
  You think I'm going to take it seriously as a three-year old
• 20:18
  kid, But obviously it could cause a lot of damage if I did.
• 20:22
  Yeah, I could either build this kid up and make him into the man
• 20:25
  that he's supposed to be, or I could really confuse the right.
• 20:28
  And part of what we say is a parent's job is that the kid
• 20:32
  doesn't know what they're experiencing.
• 20:34
  No, we don't know what we're experiencing most of our lives.
• 20:36
  And our brains are developed. You know, most of the time we
• 20:38
  have a hard enough time trying to come to terms with like what
• 20:40
  our lives are work and like, right, Balancing like life and
• 20:44
  being a good husband and being a dad and being present and being
• 20:46
  part of the community, doing whatever you're going to do and
• 20:48
  all your responsibilities. You're like, whoa, like how do I
• 20:50
  sort that? Imagine you're great.
• 20:52
  Like imagine being 5, like you can't work this stuff out, you
• 20:56
  know, like. You mean it's like you saw
• 20:58
  someone in your class that had nail Polish?
• 21:00
  And like, yeah, that's cool. My.
• 21:01
  Sister wears nail Polish. Like, why can't I wear a nail
• 21:03
  Polish? Right?
• 21:04
  And then you have a conversation.
• 21:05
  Can I wear a nail Polish? Yeah, you.
• 21:07
  Have a conversation and you have a conversation.
• 21:09
  Seriously. I mean, I hear.
• 21:11
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:12
  So, dude, wait, do you want to? I want to.
• 21:16
  Yeah. I want to finish this at you up
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  first. Yeah, I think that.
• 21:20
  So I think that this is an attempt to get to get to get
• 21:27
  people to betray themselves and their values.
• 21:32
  What's this like, the people doing these shootings and these
• 21:34
  horrific things? Yeah, I think.
• 21:36
  It's intentional, that guy. No, I don't.
• 21:38
  I don't. Think, I don't know, man.
• 21:39
  I I I'm not convinced that these people are thinking that guy in
• 21:42
  the bus is at the range. I I agree with you, but I don't
• 21:46
  I they're not thinking, I don't think.
• 21:48
  And by the way, this is is happening again.
• 21:52
  This is where I think you and I might disagree on, like the
• 21:54
  board stuff. We're talking about me being on
• 21:56
  a board. I think a lot of this happens
• 21:59
  from top down. Yeah, this guy who stabbed the
• 22:04
  girl on the bus, he's been in prison 14 times.
• 22:08
  At a certain point you just say. That's the judge's fault, and
• 22:10
  the judge and. And who who the judge is at the
• 22:13
  top, who likes who, who puts the judges into power?
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  I think it's people. People unfortunately do have
• 22:19
  influence when they're on the board or they're elected
• 22:22
  representatives. And like it or not, I think that
• 22:24
  that's. Well, yeah, Mike Benz also goes
• 22:26
  pretty deep into not all, not not to the level that it's like
• 22:31
  1 to one ratio of like craziness, but what he what he
• 22:36
  what he pulls up a lot and you just check out his stuff.
• 22:39
  I'll send some of the stuff to you.
• 22:40
  He's amazing. Is for example, the way that How
• 22:43
  does a college become a premier college?
• 22:46
  Premier Yeah. Public staff, yeah, OK.
• 22:48
  How do they do that? They generally get a lot of
• 22:50
  funding and with that funding and with those grants able to
• 22:52
  attract a lot of people that are doing research and people that
• 22:54
  are doing high quality research, because you have more, you have
• 22:57
  more opportunity, you pay them more and they end up and they
• 22:59
  end up attracting, you know, and then even if there isn't, for
• 23:04
  example, unlimited money, all you need is a couple of people
• 23:06
  to create this reputation of you guys being a great university
• 23:09
  for everyone to want to join, regardless of how much money
• 23:12
  you're actually allocated or making.
• 23:14
  Right. Meaning at a certain point, for
• 23:15
  example, students are willing to go into debt to go to MIT.
• 23:18
  How come they're not willing to go into debt to go to Binghamton
• 23:20
  hypothetically, right? You're like, well, because your
• 23:22
  return, you expect an MIT is going to be great greater you're
• 23:25
  having yeah, exposure to right. So all you have to do is get the
• 23:29
  first couple of people. So he goes, you know, Columbia,
• 23:32
  for example, they're journalism schools apparently top of the
• 23:35
  country, you know, like they get like X amount of proportion,
• 23:39
  proportionate funds from the government relative to the other
• 23:44
  colleges that are much higher. And so the potential influence
• 23:48
  that you have on your graduates that are journalists is going to
• 23:52
  be enormous because you're. Potential influence.
• 23:56
  On the on that the government, that the college and the
• 23:59
  government in association with one another.
• 24:02
  Because the government is like. I'm funding it. $10 million, you
• 24:05
  better. Teach the whole the whole, the
• 24:06
  whole fight with Trump and Harvard is about the fact he's
• 24:09
  like, why are we paying for these kinds of studies and work
• 24:12
  to be done? The government, the taxpayers
• 24:14
  should not be paying for these kind of things.
• 24:15
  And the and the and the college has been saying, well, actually,
• 24:18
  the way we became Harvard is by you giving us this money, right.
• 24:22
  So, you know, you want and you know you and and that's you
• 24:25
  want, you know, the, you want all American institutions to
• 24:29
  collapse. You're going to really take
• 24:31
  Harvard away from everyone. You're going to take the Harvard
• 24:34
  like that everyone wants for and like for what?
• 24:36
  For like this stupid DEA, you know, Dei thing like or yeah,
• 24:40
  Dei, yeah. You should take it away.
• 24:41
  Well, of course, but the point is that it's not a once there's
• 24:45
  an argument to be made, there's a lot of, there's a lot of
• 24:48
  pushback that could happen, right?
• 24:49
  Trump is cutting a lot of. Money.
• 24:51
  But it's a business and it's run like a business.
• 24:52
  Yeah, and it is. And I guess business can get
• 24:54
  grants. But my point is that it is top
• 24:56
  down too. Like what you're saying, Like
• 24:58
  there are there are political, there are political influences
• 25:02
  on the on, on on. You know, if you're going to try
• 25:06
  to be a judge in Wisconsin and you're applying and you went to
• 25:10
  Harvard or Columbia or NYU, there are, and then you went to
• 25:14
  a local Wisconsin college, who's getting the job to be the judge?
• 25:18
  Right, because the diploma means more.
• 25:20
  From those places, right? But from those places you're
• 25:22
  also getting XY and Z influence and and associations, right?
• 25:25
  So the, so the, so the, so these judges that are that are letting
• 25:29
  these criminals go after 10111213 arrests, they're the
• 25:35
  ones that obviously have to answer to this, but it's still a
• 25:37
  systematic failure that could be acknowledged.
• 25:40
  You just need to answer. Yeah, the judge should answer
• 25:42
  today. A judge that lets a criminal go
• 25:45
  more than three times and then the guy commits a violent act.
• 25:49
  I mean, we have, you have a halacha like that.
• 25:50
  You have Torah like that. You have an ox that had that,
• 25:52
  that if your ox does XY and Z, if it damages, if it hurts, if
• 25:56
  it damages someone's property or hurts someone, and then you keep
• 25:59
  the ox and then it does it again and you keep the ox and it kills
• 26:01
  someone. You're responsible, dude.
• 26:03
  Yeah. And that's an animal.
• 26:05
  Forget about a judge with a human being.
• 26:06
  Right. What a great There's some.
• 26:10
  No, it's a good comparison, but ultimately it's not.
• 26:15
  It doesn't end with the judge. It ends.
• 26:18
  It ends higher. Who's that?
• 26:19
  Katanji Brown Jackson. That was who's that on the
• 26:22
  Supreme Court? They recently added to the
• 26:25
  Supreme Court maybe a year or two ago.
• 26:27
  Yeah. And when they're added, they're
• 26:30
  grilled, right. And what do you think they
• 26:32
  grilled her on? What was the question?
• 26:35
  What is the question that conservatives ask?
• 26:37
  Conservatives asks Israel. No, What is a woman?
• 26:40
  Oh, really? Yeah, and they and they grilled
• 26:43
  her on it. What is and this is a smart
• 26:46
  person, obviously, but like it's like so fundamental, but like,
• 26:50
  and she slipped up and she can't answer.
• 26:52
  She can't tell you what a woman is.
• 26:53
  And it's just like so telling that like, OK, you could be
• 26:55
  brilliant, but you could have it so.
• 26:58
  Twisted. Yeah, of course.
• 26:59
  You know why? Because knowledge and
• 27:00
  information is amoral. People are moral or not.
• 27:04
  Or I got, you know, so like you can have all this information,
• 27:07
  you could have all this knowledge and the way that you
• 27:10
  apply it could be the totally misconstrued, the wrong way, the
• 27:13
  totally immoral way, right? You know, And that's why I like
• 27:18
  humanities, like history is so subjective.
• 27:20
  Yeah, why do you think? Not to make this into a sheer,
• 27:24
  but I'm curious what your thoughts are and why.
• 27:26
  Torah is information, Allah is information, right?
• 27:29
  Jewish law. So why is it that we can say
• 27:33
  that we're moral? By the way, we just.
• 27:35
  Following a law we don't following.
• 27:37
  We don't say that. We say that actually Torah is
• 27:39
  quote UN quote, some like I am some of it.
• 27:42
  It's it could either be an election for life or, or a
• 27:45
  poison, you know, and. And so what's the?
• 27:48
  And it's the, it's the way that you apply it, right?
• 27:50
  There was AI forgot who it was. And we could, we could like look
• 27:53
  it up. Or another time, Jamie, ask, ask
• 27:57
  you know anyone when you get around.
• 27:58
  Jamie to the budget. Dude, I need a budget first.
• 28:02
  I'm gonna get a budget all Adam, but what I'm actually thinking
• 28:05
  of doing actually Rocco told me that was your idea that to start
• 28:08
  task rabbiting or what's the work up work up work up work for
• 28:13
  my social media for the for the podcast to.
• 28:17
  Do. Shorts, real clips, you know,
• 28:20
  like, get some traction. Yeah.
• 28:22
  And she's like, you could like. And yeah, whatever.
• 28:24
  Anyway, so information itself is amoral.
• 28:29
  Oh, yes. He had a story about this king
• 28:31
  of Israel that used that we say brought back idea, you know,
• 28:39
  laws that we forgot since the time that Moshe died.
• 28:42
  And he used that information to convince Binet Israel to or, or
• 28:46
  the people of Israel to build another golden calf in the
• 28:49
  actual baseline. Miktash.
• 28:51
  What? Yeah, that actually happened.
• 28:53
  What? Yeah, dude, get out of here and
• 28:55
  well, look it up. Look it up.
• 28:56
  What is it called? I have to look up the guy's
• 28:58
  name, but the point is that, like you're, the level of
• 29:01
  knowledge that you have has no association with whether or not
• 29:04
  you're a moral person or not. Yeah, there's no, I'm going to
• 29:08
  look this up right now because. OK, I'll find it.
• 29:11
  I'll find it after I send it to you and.
• 29:13
  Then I'll so interesting I'll post.
• 29:14
  But then what is? Right.
• 29:16
  So the question is, what is it right rather?
• 29:19
  Saying this Shama, but like what a soul, right soul.
• 29:22
  So by the way, and you even have this from the beginning of the
• 29:25
  Torah where you have Avram Avinu, you have Avram Abraham
• 29:31
  and Malkit said it comes to him after the after the king, with
• 29:34
  the after the war with the 5 kings.
• 29:35
  He was like the first like World War at the time and Avram
• 29:39
  participated. All that a World War.
• 29:40
  Yeah, sure. Yeah, it was the entire.
• 29:43
  I mean, it was basically an alliance between the 10 greatest
• 29:47
  nations. The. 5 kings were the only kings
• 29:49
  in the world, you think? Well, no, but I think most of
• 29:52
  the world at that time, it was generally or most of their world
• 29:56
  in that time at least was generally located around the
• 29:59
  Middle East and Africa and and, and society was placed around
• 30:09
  geographic locations that could support life like the Nile
• 30:11
  River. So like people would flock to
• 30:14
  places that they can that that could support themselves and
• 30:16
  their families, right. So I'm sure that there weren't
• 30:19
  that many like different places for people to really like, you
• 30:22
  have scattered societies and nomads and stuff like that.
• 30:25
  But like, as far as like cities go, there's, there's not, I
• 30:29
  mean, you'd have to have a place that's big enough for everybody
• 30:32
  to be able to kind of like live on that.
• 30:33
  Yeah, societies. So Abraham goes to war.
• 30:36
  So he goes to war and there's a guy that's Makita is his name.
• 30:39
  And Rashi, the most famous commentator says that he was
• 30:44
  really Shem Noah's son and Yeti Shiva, a seminary or school
• 30:50
  called the Shiva shame Weaver. And they they actually studied,
• 30:53
  you know, the original Torah, whatever, like some variation of
• 30:56
  Torah, right? And he and Avram had this face
• 30:59
  off and the measures talks about and the oral law talks about
• 31:03
  this face off that they have where they're both intimidated
• 31:06
  by each other because Makita deck is like this establishment
• 31:10
  that like, is the premise for like the divine word on earth,
• 31:15
  right? And Avram is like this new guy
• 31:17
  that's like this young guy that's running around trying to
• 31:19
  like spread this new philosophy and he's trying to work it out
• 31:22
  and he's debating like, you know, Charlie Kirking it and,
• 31:25
  and they finally come and they meet and they're both, you know,
• 31:29
  on one hand, you have one way 11 path, which is figuring it out,
• 31:35
  like looking forward into the future and trying to figure out
• 31:38
  where you're going to go and trying to use the word of God to
• 31:41
  identify how to explore and, and make the most of the future.
• 31:45
  And then you have the institution that is deeply
• 31:47
  rooted in the past, that is there to support it, that's
• 31:52
  there to support the foundation of it, right?
• 31:54
  So you have these two. Two pillars, right?
• 31:56
  You have to. Yeah.
• 31:57
  Schools of thought, Exactly. Right flashing.
• 32:01
  And that's why you have like every society has like, you
• 32:03
  know, like these like elders that are like, you know, the
• 32:05
  foundations and the principles of like these societies.
• 32:08
  And they and they have the wisdom and the knowledge and
• 32:10
  they have the experience of we already seeing people behave
• 32:12
  like this and do this. And then you have the youth that
• 32:14
  are constantly pushing the boundaries and trying to
• 32:16
  adventure and figure out, is it OK to go here?
• 32:19
  And they say, no, why is it not OK?
• 32:21
  You know, how do you get there? You know, And there's always a
• 32:23
  tension between the two. And that's really, by the way,
• 32:25
  the tension between like, liberalism and conservatism is
• 32:28
  generally like. How far to push that?
• 32:30
  Boundary exactly how far to push that boundary and conservatism
• 32:33
  is a very you know, is a very clear you know, Jordan Peterson
• 32:35
  loves to talk loves to talk about this.
• 32:37
  It's like you have a clear boundary with conservatism.
• 32:39
  You know, like Nazis, you know, like, like anyone.
• 32:45
  But you know, as soon as you're like whites and whites only.
• 32:51
  White. You know, and then you got a
• 32:54
  problem and like. That's true.
• 32:56
  But like with liberalism, like what you know, we have lines and
• 33:01
  they keep on getting pushed and the and, and it's not even that
• 33:04
  they shouldn't, these lines shouldn't get pushed, but we
• 33:06
  shouldn't give in every single time.
• 33:08
  Not every time. Not every boundary needs to be
• 33:10
  pushed and not every boundary should be pushed.
• 33:12
  And that's when you have like people pulling you in.
• 33:14
  So I don't, I don't really know that there's a very long answer
• 33:21
  to get to the point that I don't know what is like objectively
• 33:26
  always going to be the right. Like there is no way to really
• 33:28
  know. It's always going to be the
• 33:29
  objectively right thing to do. You know, like I don't think
• 33:34
  there's always a there's, there's always a clear right
• 33:37
  choice. This is what the right thing to
• 33:39
  do is, and this is not. But at the very least I think
• 33:42
  you need some sort of like a rule book.
• 33:44
  For sure when that's. And maybe that's where I think
• 33:47
  the Liberals lack. They don't have that like rule
• 33:50
  book. It's all like.
• 33:52
  And the rule book kind of imploded when it became about
• 33:54
  peace and love. And then it's about you're not
• 33:56
  tolerant of our peace and love, so we're not tolerant of you.
• 34:00
  That rule book kind of implodes, right?
• 34:02
  You know, like how you going to do that again?
• 34:04
  How you going to How you going to justify killing Charlie Kirk?
• 34:07
  In the name of peace and love, In the name of tolerance?
• 34:10
  Yeah. It's the same people that
• 34:11
  demand, what do you call it, sensitivities.
• 34:15
  Yeah. So the same people going ahead
• 34:17
  and executing. Yeah, yeah, and, and actually I,
• 34:20
  I, I heard this take and I've been thinking a lot about it
• 34:23
  too, along the same line of trying to get people to put to
• 34:25
  break their values. Is that Eric Weinstein was
• 34:30
  talking about October 7th. I.
• 34:32
  Don't know who that is. He's awesome.
• 34:34
  I'll tell you some stuff about him.
• 34:36
  There's two brothers, Brett and Eric Weinstein.
• 34:37
  Brett, a little bit more conspiratorial.
• 34:39
  They're podcasters. They're both.
• 34:43
  Brett is an evolutionary biologist and Eric is a
• 34:46
  mathematician and a physicist that spent like a career on Wall
• 34:49
  Street and then like kind of got into academia and into like
• 34:54
  theoretical physics and all this crazy stuff.
• 34:56
  Yeah, they both very impressive, both brilliant people, both
• 34:59
  also, you know, Jew, you know, proud Jews.
• 35:02
  And. And one of the things that they
• 35:04
  were talking about, one of the things that he was saying was
• 35:07
  like, what do you think that Hamas is trying to accomplish?
• 35:09
  Right. Like the line that like they're
• 35:11
  trying to like destroy Israel. Maybe they want to, but for all
• 35:16
  like all practical purposes, it's not happening, right?
• 35:19
  Like Israel has the US backing it.
• 35:21
  They've got technology that's world's better.
• 35:24
  Hamas is building like these rockets out of like, you know,
• 35:27
  right, like pipes on the floor and, and a shower head.
• 35:29
  And, you know, I'll try to like, shoot at Tel Aviv, like, great,
• 35:31
  you know, what are you? Going to do in like.
• 35:34
  Right so so what's your so what's your plan October 7th
• 35:36
  like what what what you have to you must have a game plan.
• 35:39
  OK, so his his theory and I and I think that.
• 35:42
  I'll tell you the answer. I don't care about his theory,
• 35:44
  but. I'll tell you the answer to his
• 35:45
  theory is to they they knew they're not going to win a
• 35:48
  physical war, so they could turn the entire world against Israel
• 35:51
  by evoking the most emotional reaction out of the Israelis.
• 35:55
  And just like that little kid, there's like a like a younger
• 35:58
  brother that pisses off the Big Brother until he beats the crap
• 36:01
  out of him and the parent come and goes, what the heck are you
• 36:03
  doing? You're like, you don't get he
• 36:05
  really pissed me off. You're like, yeah, but look what
• 36:07
  you're doing to him and you're bigger than him and you should
• 36:08
  know better. You know, that is.
• 36:10
  I literally tell me that that exact conversation has not been
• 36:13
  happening around the globe for the last 2 1/2 years.
• 36:16
  Yeah, but there's a difference between murdering and raping
• 36:22
  someone than pummeling a kid. It's not.
• 36:27
  Of course, but but and. Imagine the kid, the little
• 36:31
  brother let's say. Just to use a fair comparison,
• 36:35
  little brother took a knife and chopped off a hand.
• 36:38
  So he didn't kill him, he just chopped off his left hand.
• 36:42
  And then you kill it. That's cause for For what?
• 36:45
  Not not destroying him. OK, right.
• 36:48
  Definitely beating the shit out of him.
• 36:50
  OK, right. So again and and then, but the
• 36:53
  point remains the same, which is there are now varying degrees of
• 36:56
  appropriate response and the chances are that you're going to
• 36:58
  overreact is relatively high, extremely high actually, right?
• 37:04
  The point is all the same. What if What if that same little
• 37:06
  kid says I'm making it my life's mission to kill you and.
• 37:09
  You'll be like, I can't take you.
• 37:10
  I don't take you seriously because you're a stupid little
• 37:12
  kid and I could just step on you every single time that you do
• 37:14
  anything. Growing the kid grows.
• 37:16
  The kids not growing. Come on dude.
• 37:17
  Dude, we control Israel controls, you know, the food,
• 37:21
  power, water source. Like, I don't think I don't
• 37:24
  think that Hamas or anyone in Gaza ever seriously had I'm.
• 37:28
  Thinking more like that ideological kid, some
• 37:31
  ideological kid is growing. Even so, there's only there's a
• 37:34
  limit to how far ideology gets you in that kind of world.
• 37:36
  It's here. It's an where is it?
• 37:39
  OK, Well, that's another conversation.
• 37:41
  And the way that it's going to manifest is going to be very
• 37:42
  different, right? Because the way that it's
• 37:45
  manifesting in America is a much more slow, slow burn, slow
• 37:49
  trickle where you start to have institutions not not responding
• 37:53
  to crime and then you start to have universities supporting it.
• 37:56
  And then you start to have educate, but we're not having
• 37:59
  but but the skill that's happening and then you start
• 38:01
  implementing. That war quote UN quote needs
• 38:03
  to. Happen that war needs to.
• 38:05
  Right. It needs to transition from that
• 38:06
  war of aggression and missiles to probably a different type.
• 38:10
  Is that what you're saying? No, that's it's so interesting.
• 38:13
  No, that's not what I'm saying. That's a great point, though.
• 38:15
  What I'm saying was that's a legitimate war because but that
• 38:20
  is happening over the like the implementation.
• 38:24
  I, I, the, the, you got the judges, the universities, the
• 38:27
  schools, the, the, the political system, whatever it is, then
• 38:31
  you, the, then you have even the like, even the freaking fed, I
• 38:35
  mean like even just our national deficit, like the people like
• 38:38
  the fact that anyone refuses to just say like it's not a, it's
• 38:43
  not a rational conversation to say we have to stop spending.
• 38:47
  It's an emotional conversation because there is no reason to
• 38:51
  assume that we could just keep on spending the way we are.
• 38:53
  No one could ever say This is why it's a good idea.
• 38:57
  That does sound rational. You said it's emotional.
• 39:00
  No, it's an emotional choice to keep on, to keep on spending the
• 39:03
  deficit the way that we are. Oh, because it's irrational.
• 39:05
  It's irrational to do that, Yeah.
• 39:07
  It's irrational to to behave the way that we're acting in almost
• 39:10
  every capacity, right? And then you get 10 million
• 39:13
  illegal immigrants moving to our country and then crime.
• 39:16
  And then if and when hypothetically crime war to
• 39:19
  spike or enough incidents were to happen to cause the nation to
• 39:23
  start to attack itself, that's an attack, that's a war, right?
• 39:26
  Like this is like you're seeing a 50 year strategy being
• 39:29
  implemented all at one time, hypothetically.
• 39:32
  So I want to bring this back to being on a board.
• 39:35
  Yeah. So you don't see the value of
• 39:37
  like being in a position where you're like, hey, maybe we
• 39:40
  should instead focus on some other things right now, Like why
• 39:43
  are we not? Why are we spending?
• 39:44
  So why are we getting involved in so many things?
• 39:46
  Why are we like allowing so much corruption to happen?
• 39:49
  You don't think that there's a value in being in in?
• 39:51
  I know, but I don't. Think that, yeah.
• 39:52
  I don't think that having a board changes anything, really.
• 39:55
  Yeah. The same way that I don't think
• 39:57
  having a government to change anything either.
• 40:01
  Literally, you know, the last, the last 15 years you had,
• 40:04
  you're coming back and forth, Democrat, Republican, Democrat,
• 40:07
  Republican. And it's the same consequences.
• 40:09
  Because there's so many bad people going into it.
• 40:12
  Potentially for sure, by the way.
• 40:14
  And then the good, the good ones like Charlie Kirk and MLK, you
• 40:16
  just get shot down. Can't get too good, dude.
• 40:19
  Shit dude, that, that's so dark my God, you're right.
• 40:24
  I know, dude. Wow.
• 40:26
  Yeah, it's a shame. They just get it's like a movie.
• 40:30
  That's why you got to do podcasts and hide out man the.
• 40:32
  Movie that is so crazy. Dude, everything has been
• 40:35
  feeling like a movie, dude. Joe Rogan keeps saying a little
• 40:38
  like, sprinkle it in that we're in a simulation and I don't
• 40:40
  understand it, but slow, like at first I didn't understand.
• 40:44
  It makes so much sense to me. Slowly, the more I keep hearing
• 40:46
  it, I'm like, whoa, that's weird.
• 40:49
  But there's not even any. It's so funny because all these
• 40:51
  ideas have spent. I've been thinking about this
• 40:54
  also. We this is so we
• 40:57
  compartmentalize so much in our lives.
• 41:00
  Like we have our like religious beliefs.
• 41:02
  You know that there's God and there's Malachian or angels,
• 41:04
  whatever. And you have like whatever.
• 41:06
  And then there's like UFOs and aliens and like, that's
• 41:08
  something else. And like, but like the stories
• 41:11
  and the evidence and like the things that are happening, like
• 41:13
  the simulation theory, like why is simulation so different than
• 41:16
  saying God? Like why is like, right?
• 41:18
  Like, why is like saying that any different than saying
• 41:22
  there's a great creator that programmed into our system, into
• 41:24
  our world universe, which has laws and rules and then can be
• 41:30
  periodically broken or these chance experiences that are like
• 41:33
  lucky fortunes seem to happen that are like God's intervention
• 41:37
  into things, you know, like that's that.
• 41:39
  Why is that that that sounds like religion and simulation at
• 41:42
  the same time, you know, or alien.
• 41:44
  I don't know if I was talking to you about this, but like aliens
• 41:46
  in the field. And like every story in Navi,
• 41:48
  every story in the prophets was like these women that are
• 41:50
  barren. And then all of a sudden like
• 41:52
  they're in a field praying, but to God by themselves.
• 41:54
  And then an Angel from God comes down, tells them they're going
• 41:57
  to have a baby. And then nine months later they
• 41:58
  give birth and you're like, dude, that's not like we're OK.
• 42:03
  We're like we're saying different words, but like the
• 42:05
  concepts are exactly the same ideas.
• 42:09
  Wow. Yeah, Joe Rogan is willing to
• 42:12
  buy that aliens drop down into a field and like.
• 42:16
  Knock someone up. Knock someone up?
• 42:17
  Yeah. But he's not willing to make
• 42:19
  that same jump for like an Angel meeting someone or a Navi,
• 42:22
  right? And why is that right?
• 42:23
  But by the way, because of the religious association probably,
• 42:26
  or dogma or so, yeah. You know, like you don't want to
• 42:29
  like, oh, I believe in like the Bible, you know, because that
• 42:32
  that's there's such a strong push back to that there's.
• 42:35
  Connotation to it. It's an emotional you're a
• 42:37
  religious. Person.
• 42:38
  Yeah, that makes you. Stupid, right?
• 42:39
  Right. Yeah.
• 42:40
  You're religious. Forget about it, man.
• 42:42
  Now it's like, oh, you're into conspiracies.
• 42:44
  Oh, so you're open minded. You're like, you might have some
• 42:47
  faith in you. Yeah.
• 42:49
  And you know what's interesting? People.
• 42:50
  The reason why I think people take advantage of that is
• 42:52
  because just like with conspiracies and just like with
• 42:54
  God, especially if you're particularly creationist as in
• 42:59
  like you, like if you particularly believe that like
• 43:02
  we don't have free will and God is just making everything
• 43:04
  happen, you know, then like nothing is off the table for how
• 43:09
  crazy anything could get right? Like generally speaking, the
• 43:12
  reason why, like if you say like, for example, like this was
• 43:16
  a great example. Apparently there's an idea that
• 43:19
  the Hafez Kai maybe said, someone said a couple 100 years
• 43:23
  ago, like seventeen 1800s, that the final wars of before
• 43:28
  Mashiach, before they're dead, before the redemption, before
• 43:31
  whatever the anointed one comes Messiah Messiah is is going to
• 43:36
  be 12 minutes long. That's the final war and
• 43:38
  everyone's like, we don't know what that means.
• 43:40
  Right, it doesn't make sense. Doesn't make any sense.
• 43:41
  And then like that and then that woman that was going around on
• 43:44
  the podcast circuit I forgot wrote this book about like
• 43:47
  nuclear war. Looks like it's 6 minutes from
• 43:51
  Russia or China to America with a nuke.
• 43:54
  So if you're going to talk, so 300 years ago, right, we're
• 43:57
  talking about a concept that at the time felt creationist,
• 44:00
  right? Like, oh, what does that mean?
• 44:01
  So God's going to come and like blow up the war in 12 in 12
• 44:04
  minutes, Like, I don't know. But then also, Fast forward 200
• 44:08
  years and we have nuclear technology or we have, you know,
• 44:10
  we have nukes and bombs and ballistic missiles that
• 44:13
  literally could end the world in 12 minutes, you know, and you're
• 44:15
  like, oh, man, like. It's like Izzy likes to say the
• 44:18
  line of like, we're going to travel back on the on the wings
• 44:23
  of eagles. Yeah.
• 44:25
  It's like does that. Not travel back where?
• 44:27
  Oh, an airplane that looked like an airplane.
• 44:28
  Yeah, yeah. Yemenis all thought that
• 44:31
  Operation Magic Carpet, everyone thought that an airplane was.
• 44:34
  This happened all over the Middle East, in Africa, in
• 44:37
  particularly poor countries when they had all these big Aleas in
• 44:40
  the last like 50-60, seventy years.
• 44:43
  A lot of these third world, these third world countries
• 44:47
  legitimately thought that this was like Messiah.
• 44:50
  Well, maybe it was a smart. Yeah, they got BB instead.
• 44:59
  You thought you got so funny. Tell me about this meditation,
• 45:05
  dude. This not meditation.
• 45:07
  This you're. Going to get it was, I guess it
• 45:11
  was a meditate, it was a retreat.
• 45:13
  A retreat, That's the one I was looking for.
• 45:14
  Thank you. Retreat, I went on.
• 45:16
  Yeah, tell me about it. Maybe I could give you some back
• 45:18
  story first. Yeah, I would love some.
• 45:19
  I've never heard of him but Izzy for my birthday said I would
• 45:23
  enjoy I would enjoy this retreat.
• 45:25
  So he bought me this tickets to this thing months ago and I have
• 45:30
  never heard of him. And even after she bought it I
• 45:31
  never looked into it. So I was going in with no, I
• 45:36
  don't even know what the guy looked like.
• 45:39
  What did it look? Like small I see this old
• 45:43
  Australian. Australian.
• 45:46
  Australian nice, mid 50s nice. Who is his back story is like
• 45:50
  he's a Balchuva grew up in was it?
• 45:54
  Yeah, he grew up in Australia, wanted to get into film.
• 45:58
  Cool. And then basically he got into H
• 46:02
  but was like 24 years old and it was already like trying to make
• 46:04
  movies. So he's really into like
• 46:08
  production, being professional, having good music.
• 46:10
  He's really into that. Anyway, so Ravmar texted me that
• 46:15
  he was spending a Shabbos at at like Ravmar's community.
• 46:19
  And Ravmar said, Do you want to come?
• 46:21
  Oh, that's how you ended up there.
• 46:22
  You were there for the weekend. I was there for.
• 46:24
  And then you can't. And you went Sunday.
• 46:25
  And then I went on his. Retreat.
• 46:27
  He had a lot of exposure to this dude.
• 46:29
  Yeah, so I'm like hearing him speak Friday night and then I'm
• 46:31
  watching, and then and then how? Do you?
• 46:33
  How do you speak? Very well, very entertaining.
• 46:35
  He's like an entertaining, got it.
• 46:37
  He's an entertainer. Like he walks into acting,
• 46:40
  screen writing, directing. Gotcha.
• 46:42
  Whatever he went, he they got him into H because they said if
• 46:47
  we could get, if we could get you a meeting with Steven
• 46:49
  Spielberg's if you stay here for 2 two weeks.
• 46:51
  No way. And I don't remember what he
• 46:54
  said, like if they got him the meeting, but I think that
• 46:56
  convinced him to stay and then he just wanted to stay longer.
• 46:59
  Yeah, so that checks out. Dude, this guy was so anyways,
• 47:06
  so that that was my first exposure.
• 47:08
  Tim was with Shabbos and then on Sunday was a full day retreat
• 47:12
  from 9:00 AM to 10:00 PM. And at this retreat you go in
• 47:18
  and you're expecting like, OK, is this going to be like a weird
• 47:20
  like breath work type of situation?
• 47:21
  I'm just going to listen to this guy and get like into a trance
• 47:24
  or something. But really he keeps it light and
• 47:26
  entertaining. He, he knows that people are
• 47:28
  there and aren't comfortable. So he's, like, cracking jokes
• 47:30
  all the time, but then he guides you through these meditations
• 47:33
  that are rooted in, let's say, Kabbalah or Hasidic sources.
• 47:37
  Yeah. You know, these were people who
• 47:40
  are what? What would you say 150 years
• 47:43
  ago? There were like more.
• 47:44
  More. Yeah, when was the Benish Chai,
• 47:47
  for example? Because he was like quoting
• 47:48
  Benish Chai Baal Shemtov. Yeah, more than 115, yeah, 150
• 47:52
  years ago. But I mean, I think the, I think
• 47:53
  the, I think the sources for meditation goes even further
• 47:56
  back into that. Oh, yeah, probably.
• 47:58
  But like, these are like sources he's bringing down.
• 48:01
  He's saying, like these people would go out to the field and
• 48:02
  what they're writing is like, they could stay there for three
• 48:04
  hours. Yeah.
• 48:05
  So 150 years ago, they could stay there for three hours.
• 48:08
  Maybe today we could stay there for a couple minutes.
• 48:10
  Yeah, to get into that state for a couple minutes.
• 48:12
  So that's like his goal, right? This whole day his goal is to
• 48:16
  get you to like a fraction of what they claim to have felt or
• 48:19
  have gone through. OK, and I think he does a pretty
• 48:22
  good job of did you making you feel like you got it.
• 48:25
  You got a feeling of that meditative state of the light
• 48:28
  that they're able to see cool. And it's very.
• 48:30
  How did how did he get you into that state?
• 48:32
  Oh man, that's going to be a hard part.
• 48:34
  That's going to be a hard thing to to.
• 48:38
  Articulate, articulate. Well, we'll work on it together.
• 48:41
  I think you could do it dude. He'll say, for example, what is
• 48:45
  like, what is focus? Right.
• 48:48
  What state of mind are you in when you come in?
• 48:50
  Like are you? Skeptical.
• 48:51
  You're just going in. Oh me personally, I was open
• 48:53
  minded and skeptical. Yeah, a little bit like, let's
• 48:55
  see what this guy's got to say. Yeah, OK.
• 48:59
  And, you know, like this is not stuff that is completely foreign
• 49:03
  to me. Like I've read like my first
• 49:05
  year in Israel, I would read things Hasidic Masters or Ari
• 49:08
  Kaplan stuff. Yeah.
• 49:10
  And a reader be like, OK, I don't understand this, but it's
• 49:12
  kind of entertaining for the 1st 50 pages.
• 49:14
  And then you're like, OK, it's not, not for me.
• 49:17
  Like it doesn't make sense, but I know that it, it exists and
• 49:19
  like, cool, right? So, So what is it?
• 49:22
  He's going to, he's going to tell you about the, the, the
• 49:24
  name of Hashem, right? Yud and K and Viv K.
• 49:27
  Yud, K, Viv K. The name of God.
• 49:29
  Right. And then you tell you about the
• 49:31
  name, what it represents, and then kind of like meditating on
• 49:35
  on that name and the Rep. Thinking about.
• 49:37
  So for example, I think that name should go inside.
• 49:39
  Yeah, OK, one second I'm saying what I was going to say we're
• 49:44
  live and what I was going to say is that name of God you'd K
• 49:49
  Vubke, you'd hey Vubhey or Yahwah in English is generally
• 49:54
  associated because the the way that in Judaism at least well to
• 49:59
  explain it. You see the name?
• 50:01
  Yeah. I don't think you're supposed to
• 50:02
  pronounce it in English. That's why you're not supposed
• 50:05
  to say the J witnesses. Oh, interesting.
• 50:08
  I don't know. Fine.
• 50:10
  I'm not a fascist man anyway, it's the different names of God
• 50:17
  that we had are associated with different attributes or types of
• 50:20
  relationship that we're having with him.
• 50:22
  So for example, you know when when personality trait would be
• 50:26
  like the the strict or upset father at the way that you
• 50:31
  behave as opposed to the kind mother that would like comfort
• 50:35
  you or help you in times of need.
• 50:37
  So generally speaking, that name is associated with kindness.
• 50:42
  Can I bet? What did he tell you to do about
• 50:44
  it? Was it?
• 50:45
  OK, do you want me to really get into the meditation thing?
• 50:51
  Sure. OK, stop me if I'm like rambling
• 50:54
  too much. But so we know the concept that
• 50:56
  there is this infinite light, this aura and soph, that God is
• 51:01
  an infinite light and infinite goodness, right?
• 51:04
  So, and our neshama is our soul is a piece of that light.
• 51:09
  Part of big cosmic light, right? So we're supposed to feel our
• 51:13
  soul, right? And we're supposed to feel that
• 51:15
  way. So his meditation is guiding you
• 51:17
  on how to get there the day or the goal of this is to help you
• 51:23
  try to feel something, to feel connected to some sort of inner
• 51:26
  light. And he'll say and he'll so he'll
• 51:30
  teach you like there are focus techniques, right?
• 51:33
  And a focus technique would be like meditating on, on the word
• 51:37
  and the association with that word.
• 51:40
  So he started by saying, OK, there's a plastic cup.
• 51:44
  Let's see how long you could focus on a plastic cup before
• 51:46
  there's another thought that pops into your head.
• 51:48
  So everyone close your eyes, look at this plastic cup, get a
• 51:50
  good look in it, close your eyes and then raise your hand once
• 51:53
  you stop focusing on plastic cup.
• 51:55
  So on averages like 6 seconds, people, people would have a, a
• 51:59
  pop in, right. So say now so we're going to go
• 52:02
  through this thing and teach us about about focus and about dos
• 52:06
  and dimion. But I'm not going to get into
• 52:07
  that makes it relatable. He says, OK, now that you've
• 52:12
  you've got this skill or now that you understand the
• 52:15
  background, I want you to focus on five things that have to do
• 52:21
  with like let's say self respect.
• 52:23
  So he gave us notebooks. Write down 5 things that come
• 52:26
  into mind when you think self respect.
• 52:27
  What do you think about what I'm trying to think about?
• 52:29
  What I even think of? So he's giving you cleanliness
• 52:34
  like. Eloquence education, self
• 52:39
  respect, cleanliness, fitness education, mental health,
• 52:48
  creativity, self respect and. Pretty quick.
• 52:53
  So he gave us like a minute on one, then a minute on 2, and
• 52:58
  then a minute on three, then on 400, on five.
• 52:59
  Think about it. Get into the zone, right?
• 53:01
  He's telling you. So you write these things out on
• 53:04
  a paper. And so now I want you to close
• 53:06
  your eyes and when you have a thought and think about, think
• 53:10
  about the first thing. And when you have the thought
• 53:13
  that's coming into your head, just transition it into the
• 53:15
  second thing that you think that you associate self respect with.
• 53:18
  So give me an example. So first.
• 53:20
  So you said creativity, right? Let's say creativity and working
• 53:23
  out or being fit. So whatever images come into
• 53:27
  your head when you're thinking creativity, think about, close
• 53:29
  your eyes and think about that. Get into the zone of creativity.
• 53:32
  What do you associate that with? And then when the moment where
• 53:34
  you start to feel like I'm veering off of creativity, then
• 53:37
  shift into shift into working out and think about those
• 53:41
  things. And stay in that zone where
• 53:42
  you're focusing on these things. And meanwhile you're in your DOS
• 53:46
  is on self respect, right, OK, your.
• 53:48
  Consciousness. Your yes, your consciousness.
• 53:50
  That is your intentionality. So his thing is higher
• 53:53
  consciousness. Yeah, that's the whole goal of
• 53:56
  this thing. So your dais is on self respect.
• 53:58
  Your consciousness is on self respect.
• 54:00
  And your dimion, which is your imagination, is this
• 54:02
  encompassing circle around your dais.
• 54:05
  And the the the items inside of dimion are those are those
• 54:10
  moments fascinating is creativity.
• 54:12
  And so we did an exercise and he and he said, OK, now using that
• 54:16
  quote UN quote strategy, let's just call it a strategy, OK.
• 54:19
  But this is all written. Strategy.
• 54:20
  This is all written out in spawn that he's quoting first and then
• 54:23
  he'll teach you about the thing, right?
• 54:24
  So you're like. Whoa, was talking.
• 54:29
  About this. Yeah, dude.
• 54:31
  And then and then. He goes, OK, now I want you to
• 54:34
  close your eyes and let's see how long you can focus on self
• 54:36
  respect, right? And you're comparing that to
• 54:39
  just 30 minutes ago where you couldn't focus for six seconds
• 54:42
  on a cup. Now you're focusing on this much
• 54:45
  larger thing, which is self respect.
• 54:47
  And you're meditating on that. And you know how long people ask
• 54:49
  it for? 7 minutes, wow. 7 minutes before
• 54:53
  the hand started going up. Wow, now.
• 54:55
  Now he's playing music. Yeah, of course he's guiding.
• 54:59
  You, he's talking to you, right? And that's an assist, that's a
• 55:03
  layup, right? But imagine, imagine doing this
• 55:05
  for a long time. Yeah, right.
• 55:07
  Without technology, without being in a forest, without ever,
• 55:10
  ever seen, seen ATV or a screen and put yourself back 200 years.
• 55:15
  Yeah, Dude, you think that they couldn't focus for two hours?
• 55:19
  For sure dude, seen the field in the field.
• 55:22
  Just just their thoughts. They've never had these
• 55:24
  distractions before in their life.
• 55:26
  Yeah, I'd love it. Come on, I'd like you.
• 55:28
  Do you think you'd enjoy that? I don't know.
• 55:31
  I definitely enjoyed this. Yeah, this was.
• 55:34
  This was 10. This was 9:00 AM to 10:00 PM.
• 55:36
  No, that's your life. I enjoyed those moments, but
• 55:39
  he's like the, I don't know if you've heard this before, it's
• 55:41
  very common to hear that back then they were able to focus on
• 55:43
  on their dominant for three hours.
• 55:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're can I tell you a
• 55:47
  story that he said. It's amazing.
• 55:48
  Sure you want you want to add in some things.
• 55:50
  No, I'm, I'm, I want to hear. I want to hear the story.
• 55:56
  OK, OK, so he said he's like this story said about a rabbi.
• 56:02
  By the way, I just wanted to this guy is not like a like this
• 56:06
  Buddhist guy who by the way studied Buddhism before this.
• 56:09
  So he is. But he's not sitting there like
• 56:12
  this. He's like cracking jokes the
• 56:14
  whole time. It's like, you know, so he said.
• 56:16
  He's grounded. Yeah, and he was talking about
• 56:18
  psychedelics the whole time. He's like, people will get this
• 56:20
  feeling from psychedelics. And there's an urge for
• 56:22
  psychedelics nowadays because we're really craving this.
• 56:26
  And this is what ties back into what you said earlier about
• 56:28
  pushing those boundaries so that we stay connected.
• 56:31
  That's his pitch. His pitch is like, we're we're
• 56:34
  going in this direction. We have it in our arsenal.
• 56:37
  Let's teach it. And let's use it.
• 56:39
  Yeah, well, I really feel like a preacher of his.
• 56:42
  I wasn't. Yeah, but you're doing a great
• 56:45
  job explaining what's happening right now.
• 56:47
  So, So I'll tell you the story that he said over.
• 56:49
  It was like, OK. You'll be happy to have this on
• 56:51
  the record, by the way, I think because you'll, because I, I
• 56:54
  think that it's hard when, first of all, you got yourself in the
• 56:58
  zone by starting to talk for the first hour anyway.
• 57:01
  And then you're getting prompted by someone that knows the kind
• 57:06
  of questions that I want you to get out to make it as clear as
• 57:10
  possible, OK, that I'm trying to assist you with this.
• 57:12
  So that would be fun, Yeah. OK, well, I want you to.
• 57:15
  I want you to chime in the field.
• 57:17
  So he says a story and he's like this the story is set over and
• 57:20
  insert your favorite rabbi, right?
• 57:22
  Your rabbi is the rabbi. OK, Your rabbi is time.
• 57:25
  OK, just insert this story. I don't know who the rabbi was,
• 57:28
  but this is not OK. So he's like, there's a there's
• 57:31
  a Jew who's growing up and he's getting and he was not
• 57:34
  affiliated, but he's getting more religious and he met, he
• 57:36
  met this rabbi. OK, whoever you have in your
• 57:39
  head now the guy says, hey, I want to get more religious.
• 57:42
  And the rabbi says, OK, cool. You know, let's let's teach you
• 57:45
  how to read Hebrew. So he's like, so they teach him
• 57:48
  how to read Hebrew and he's like obviously struggling through it,
• 57:50
  through it. He's learning a new language.
• 57:52
  Meanwhile, they go to dobining every day, right?
• 57:54
  So while he's learning, he's singing the Rabbi Dobin for for
• 57:57
  three hours, right. So the guy, the guy is
• 58:01
  continuing to see this day in day out until he finally learns
• 58:03
  how to read better and better and his feel becomes whatever,
• 58:06
  10 minutes. OK, So he goes, he goes to the
• 58:10
  to the Rabbi and he says Rabbi, like I understand that when when
• 58:15
  I was first starting out, like I understood why, why your
• 58:17
  davening was only was 3 hours long because like, you know, I
• 58:21
  was going through the words you were going right.
• 58:23
  And but now, like, you know how to read Hebrew, like, and you
• 58:26
  say this, I've been seeing you say this for a long time, like,
• 58:29
  you know the words, obviously. So like what?
• 58:34
  He's like, what are you? What are you not getting?
• 58:37
  Like, it should be 10 minutes long, basically.
• 58:39
  So the rabbit says, what do you do?
• 58:40
  He's like, I work. What do you work?
• 58:42
  He's like, I sell schmatas. I'm a schmatas salesman, OK?
• 58:45
  Well, well, we're back. So he goes.
• 58:50
  So he goes. What are Where do you sell your
• 58:52
  schmatas? So he goes, Can I continue using
• 58:54
  schmatas? Sure, that's a great word.
• 58:58
  Well, I saw them in New York, New Jersey, and then, you know,
• 59:02
  Philly. Yeah.
• 59:04
  Right. OK.
• 59:04
  Do you sell overseas? Yeah, sure.
• 59:06
  Where Where overseas? I I sell them in Mexico.
• 59:10
  OK. Where else?
• 59:11
  I sell them in Japan. OK.
• 59:14
  So, so, so while the guy's saying this, he's writing down
• 59:16
  these these names, the where does he sell the thing?
• 59:20
  Japan, You know, Mexico, United States.
• 59:23
  OK, so the kid, so the so the guy goes here.
• 59:26
  How long does it take you to travel?
• 59:28
  So he goes, you know, an airplane takes me, you know,
• 59:31
  whatever, the whole the whole day just to get there.
• 59:33
  OK, so I'll tell you what I could, I'll shorten, I'll
• 59:37
  shorten it for you. Take this paper.
• 59:40
  And he's like, he's like, what do you want me to do with this?
• 59:43
  He's like, there you go. I just saved you.
• 59:44
  I just saved you days. Yeah, is it not he's.
• 59:54
  Saying he's like, I, I these are places you have to go.
• 59:58
  Like you can't just read the name and sell schmantz like
• 1:00:02
  that. So the rabbi goes, the words in
• 1:00:04
  the sitter aren't just words on paper, they're places you have
• 1:00:06
  to go. Yeah, right.
• 1:00:08
  So that's why I'm there for three hours.
• 1:00:11
  So it's like a mic drop moment. That's a great answer.
• 1:00:14
  Dude, you're like, wow, like I'm OK, all right, so let me get in.
• 1:00:18
  Let me try to see what that's about.
• 1:00:20
  Like let me try to see and get in that zone.
• 1:00:22
  So imagine he opens with these stories and their teachings and,
• 1:00:26
  you know, like. You know, there minds, you know,
• 1:00:27
  I actually thought, I thought the story is going to go in a
• 1:00:29
  different, a different direction.
• 1:00:31
  There's an awesome story, You know, the source of prayer, the
• 1:00:34
  Torah, the source dominating is the beginning of gracious of, of
• 1:00:40
  Genesis when it's the second. Yeah, no, not even Adam yet.
• 1:00:45
  God even create didn't create Adam and Eve yet.
• 1:00:50
  It was the basically the first chapter is this account of
• 1:00:55
  creation, the famous seven days, the six days, whatever, 7 days.
• 1:00:59
  And then, and then there's a new chapter that opens and it begins
• 1:01:05
  with the story of creation again, but it tells it
• 1:01:07
  differently. And if you look at any Bible,
• 1:01:10
  any Bible that says this, and at one point it says that there was
• 1:01:14
  no rain on the ground yet because man was not yet created
• 1:01:20
  to work right, right, and to work the land, right.
• 1:01:25
  And that same commentary we talked about earlier, Rashi says
• 1:01:28
  that this is the source of prayer that God said.
• 1:01:34
  I want man to notice what the world needs on the man to be the
• 1:01:39
  voice of the world, the consciousness of the world and
• 1:01:42
  say, hey, this tree back here is really it's not looking great.
• 1:01:45
  You know, you can really use some help right now and this you
• 1:01:48
  know over there that you know that that that mango tree, you
• 1:01:52
  know, it needs a little bit less rain than avocado tree.
• 1:01:54
  So you know that would be even better.
• 1:01:56
  And So what the point that it's trying to bring out was I
• 1:02:01
  believe that men's meant the purpose of prayer is not just to
• 1:02:07
  request things, but it's to it's to think through what needs to
• 1:02:16
  be taken care of in your life, right?
• 1:02:18
  Like what how you know. And that's why we pray for
• 1:02:21
  different categories of things, because you're supposed to think
• 1:02:24
  the steps along the process as to what each aspect of your life
• 1:02:28
  needs. That just gave me a great shot.
• 1:02:29
  By the way, can I share? Yes, shot.
• 1:02:32
  Yeah. So there's a there's a teaching
• 1:02:33
  that Adam was able to see me from one end of the world to the
• 1:02:37
  to the. Next, Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  So think about it, this being the whole world was created for
• 1:02:41
  him based on what you're saying. You can all be in his awareness.
• 1:02:46
  Yeah. Yes, Right.
• 1:02:47
  Exactly, exactly. And that's why Moshe had that
• 1:02:49
  same life, because Moshe or Moses had the same was was that
• 1:02:53
  prophet that was like that close.
• 1:02:55
  He had like that grand sense of awareness and consciousness.
• 1:02:58
  And he also had that same light that that, that, that that Adam
• 1:03:01
  had. The Adam had.
• 1:03:04
  But the point, I think, is that him.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:03:08
  You never heard that? Where'd you hear that?
• 1:03:09
  That's famous. That Moshe had that.
• 1:03:12
  That the light that was on Motion's face after after he
• 1:03:16
  left down from Almoy after Oh yes, the second time.
• 1:03:19
  Before he came from Hersing. I know.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, but then he went to Almoy to put a mask on because, you
• 1:03:24
  know, could talk to him. OK, right.
• 1:03:27
  He wasn't relatable. He wasn't relatable on an
• 1:03:30
  individual level. He had this cosmic, this cosmic
• 1:03:34
  consciousness. Dude.
• 1:03:38
  Imagine spending, imagine also, but think about this, right?
• 1:03:40
  Whatever variation you want to say, state of mind,
• 1:03:42
  psychedelics, spiritual ecstasy, connection with God, use
• 1:03:47
  whatever words or state of he was in.
• 1:03:49
  Obviously a very separate state of consciousness and awareness
• 1:03:52
  for 40 days and 40 nights. Right.
• 1:03:54
  And when you return, you don't relate when you come back to a
• 1:03:58
  trip, right? If you take, if you take
• 1:03:59
  mushrooms or you take LSD and then you go into your KPMG
• 1:04:04
  office, you'll be like, what is going on right here?
• 1:04:07
  You know, like you'll be like, I can't relate to any of this.
• 1:04:10
  I can't speak to any of these individual like cogs like that
• 1:04:15
  are like running around, like, you know, like this, this quote
• 1:04:17
  UN quote rat race. I don't relate to it.
• 1:04:19
  Like there's a much bigger picture that I'm like part of
• 1:04:22
  that. I, I don't relate to that aspect
• 1:04:24
  of it. I think that he was able to
• 1:04:26
  relate to like once you have like that kind of like cosmic or
• 1:04:30
  grand awareness. And the point of like what
• 1:04:33
  maturing and growing up is, is including more in your realm of
• 1:04:38
  responsibility and awareness, right?
• 1:04:40
  You're not just responsible for yourself now.
• 1:04:42
  Now you're responsible for your wife and your kids.
• 1:04:44
  Now you're responsible as your parents get older for your
• 1:04:46
  parents, you know, and, and their well-being.
• 1:04:48
  And now you're responsible for your younger symbols.
• 1:04:50
  How are they doing? You know, how are you
• 1:04:51
  responsible for your neighborhood and your community?
• 1:04:53
  And then when you're when now when you're praying, you don't
• 1:04:56
  have just the awareness of just yourself, right?
• 1:04:59
  You have this enhanced awareness.
• 1:05:01
  Will you want will you the world in mind of your world, which is
• 1:05:04
  constantly expanding to have to have what's best for them.
• 1:05:07
  And the more that your world expands, the more the more time
• 1:05:10
  you need to really think about that.
• 1:05:12
  You know, the more consciousness you need to be like, listen man,
• 1:05:15
  like. Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  You know, like being a teacher, right?
• 1:05:19
  Feels like the same. Thing so so part of so I love
• 1:05:22
  that you're saying this because it's still it's it's leading
• 1:05:25
  right to something else that he was saying.
• 1:05:26
  He's like, I had a conversation with with a Rob that he
• 1:05:29
  respected and he was and and at this point he was already
• 1:05:33
  learning deeper stuff and he said, I have a shot in this
• 1:05:36
  thing, right? Like he had an explanation on
• 1:05:39
  this esoteric passage. So he like they discuss it.
• 1:05:44
  He gives it over to him and then he says, OK, I need to think
• 1:05:47
  about that. He goes, what do you mean?
• 1:05:48
  We just talked it through. He's like, yeah, but I want to
• 1:05:51
  think about it. And then this Danielle Katz was
• 1:05:55
  like, okay, so he goes, he takes out a notebook or something and
• 1:05:58
  pencils in a time to think about it.
• 1:06:00
  That's like you do that and his rapper is like, you don't.
• 1:06:08
  Yeah, dude. Yeah, like.
• 1:06:11
  How he's like. So how often do you spend 5
• 1:06:13
  minutes like actually consciously thinking about
• 1:06:15
  something, right? I just, I want to start doing
• 1:06:17
  that by the way, so I really want to start doing that.
• 1:06:19
  That's a great idea because I there's so many things I say I
• 1:06:23
  want to think about and I never get to thinking about them.
• 1:06:26
  We'll go on the next retreat together.
• 1:06:28
  I don't want to do. I don't want to do it.
• 1:06:31
  I'm going to end up like moving. I'd have an affiliate link.
• 1:06:34
  I'm just kidding. So funny dude.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:06:40
  So keep so so anyway, so you so you're connecting that way
• 1:06:44
  you're getting to this meditate I guess more aware, meditative
• 1:06:47
  kind of. Oh, that's, I mean, I mean
• 1:06:49
  that's so that, no, that, I mean, that's basically it.
• 1:06:51
  That's like the the retreat. I mean, it's one day with lunch
• 1:06:54
  breaks dominating, breaks thinner.
• 1:06:56
  Are you, how do you, how do you, how do you implement this in
• 1:06:58
  your in your life now? Right.
• 1:07:00
  Yeah, exactly. I don't.
• 1:07:02
  Know well, I think for starters, definitely start by thinking
• 1:07:05
  about by setting aside time to think about things.
• 1:07:08
  Bro something is just jumped into your pool.
• 1:07:13
  I saw a huge splash. Shout out to Dalton.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, dude, sorry about that. You took a pee break.
• 1:07:22
  Got some wine that works right back outside.
• 1:07:25
  Some good wine. Red.
• 1:07:26
  Red wine. Yeah, Man, I think that we all
• 1:07:29
  need a lot of this. I think that we need one of the
• 1:07:32
  actually the things that gets more full circle.
• 1:07:35
  I was thinking of and I was especially when I was talking to
• 1:07:37
  my students about like what was going on because we spoke about
• 1:07:38
  the trans shooter a couple weeks, a couple weeks ago too,
• 1:07:41
  right? And I was saying, imagine, think
• 1:07:44
  about this, right? Most Americans, I think it is a
• 1:07:47
  huge loneliness epidemic happening in America.
• 1:07:50
  Right. Most Americans don't feel like
• 1:07:53
  they have. Do you know people that?
• 1:07:55
  I do know some people. Do you really?
• 1:07:57
  Yeah, I do. I know actually, as it happens
• 1:08:02
  to be by the way, that that my, that my, that my religious
• 1:08:05
  community around me typically does not have that issue, but
• 1:08:09
  it's not always the case, but typically right, right.
• 1:08:11
  Anyway, imagine this, right, You're a regular American kid.
• 1:08:15
  This could have happened to me so easily.
• 1:08:16
  Like my life trajectory, right? Graduate college 20, end of
• 1:08:20
  2017, right? I worked for a couple of years.
• 1:08:24
  I'm living in Seattle. 2020, COVID starts, right?
• 1:08:30
  Lockdown start. Yeah, I, Seattle in particular,
• 1:08:35
  you know, was pretty strict for the next two years.
• 1:08:38
  Can't socialize. Yeah, Now, I was lucky enough to
• 1:08:41
  have three friends I was living with, right?
• 1:08:43
  But one friend started dating someone else.
• 1:08:45
  One friend moved back to New York.
• 1:08:46
  Another friend moved back to New York.
• 1:08:48
  Right now I get an apartment, right?
• 1:08:50
  I work remote because I do sales sitting in my apartment by
• 1:08:55
  myself when I'm not doing sales on social media, True.
• 1:09:00
  You know, when I'm not doing sales, I'm scrolling.
• 1:09:03
  I'm by myself. I don't have community because
• 1:09:05
  I'm not Jew. I, I don't have a huge
• 1:09:07
  community. I'm not Jewish.
• 1:09:08
  I'm not Orthodox. I'm not going to shul, I'm not
• 1:09:10
  going to church. I'm not going to anything right.
• 1:09:12
  Why not? I'm just talking about a lot of
• 1:09:14
  Americans. I know, but why not?
• 1:09:16
  Why not go? To but that's a good question,
• 1:09:17
  right? You probably should.
• 1:09:19
  I, you know, I don't have more than 3 or 4 friends.
• 1:09:24
  I'm on Hinge or I'm on all these other dating apps.
• 1:09:26
  But like, none of them really turn into any kind of real
• 1:09:28
  relationships. Like, you just, like, match with
• 1:09:29
  people and then like, you kind of try texting awkwardly and
• 1:09:31
  then it stops and like, that's it, right?
• 1:09:34
  It is super, super, super easy to go from 2020 to 2025 and end
• 1:09:43
  up in a very, very dark place. Yeah, in a really, really dark
• 1:09:47
  place for a lot of people and I and people like, and this isn't
• 1:09:51
  just like a, like a random case. These are like grades at a time.
• 1:09:56
  And schools in Binghamton and NYU and Maryland where like kids
• 1:10:01
  are moving to the city got, got people moving to the city.
• 1:10:03
  And like, even if you have roommates in Manhattan, right,
• 1:10:05
  you got 3 roommates. One of your roommates works in
• 1:10:07
  finance. He's he's only, he's in your,
• 1:10:09
  he's talking to you half an hour a day. 5 five years, you're
• 1:10:13
  saying the five? Years.
• 1:10:14
  I'm saying that we have been prime for like a mental health
• 1:10:19
  societal breakdown for a long time.
• 1:10:22
  Community. People are not interacting with
• 1:10:25
  other people. No one goes to movies, people
• 1:10:27
  don't go to concerts very often very much.
• 1:10:30
  People do not have groups of friends.
• 1:10:32
  People do not have meaningful relationships.
• 1:10:33
  People don't have communities, religious or affiliations, even
• 1:10:39
  just the value like of having a rabbi that like you can talk to
• 1:10:42
  and like a guide, like a God in your life.
• 1:10:44
  Where like where the walls feel like they're caving in and
• 1:10:47
  you're stressed and you don't know who to talk to.
• 1:10:49
  And and you can't talk to your wife because you don't want to
• 1:10:51
  stress her out about how stressed out you are.
• 1:10:53
  And you just call someone and you just say, I feel like this
• 1:10:57
  is about to break down and like to have like a human being on
• 1:11:01
  the other end of the phone that's been through that and say
• 1:11:04
  like understand and like maybe help, maybe not.
• 1:11:08
  You can talk it out. You can talk through it, right?
• 1:11:11
  That is such a rare. Right, it doesn't.
• 1:11:14
  It doesn't happen to people. People don't have that.
• 1:11:16
  We take that for granted. And then when people come out
• 1:11:19
  and they do crazy acts or they start acting like lunatics in
• 1:11:23
  the street or do crazy shit like shoot up a school or something
• 1:11:27
  like that, God forbid, a million times.
• 1:11:28
  And it doesn't have to even be that extreme.
• 1:11:30
  But like how many people are numb to life?
• 1:11:32
  How many people like don't have any embodied reality at all?
• 1:11:37
  I can't imagine how many people on Twitter have seen the video
• 1:11:41
  that have to post. Don't watch the video.
• 1:11:44
  Yeah, I'm like, people are watching this.
• 1:11:47
  Everyone was watching it. Everyone.
• 1:11:49
  And but like you like come so far to like be the voice.
• 1:11:56
  The voice that's drowned out is the voice that's saying yourself
• 1:12:00
  a favor. And don't watch the video
• 1:12:01
  because the default is you're going to watch the video and
• 1:12:04
  watch someone publicly executed on your phone in the bathroom
• 1:12:08
  probably. You are, yeah.
• 1:12:10
  And you know what? There's also, I also think that
• 1:12:12
  there's an actual thing too. I think that there's, there's
• 1:12:21
  different. It's so fascinating because I
• 1:12:23
  just, Dave Smith actually just said it today and I thought
• 1:12:27
  about it and I really think it's true.
• 1:12:30
  There's like there's almost a kind of satisfaction about
• 1:12:35
  self-destructive behavior. Like, there is a pleasure that
• 1:12:40
  people get out of self-destructive behavior where
• 1:12:43
  you know, what you're doing is like hurting yourself.
• 1:12:45
  And, you know, you're like getting yourself deeper in that
• 1:12:47
  pit, but you kind of want to put yourself there.
• 1:12:50
  I want to look something up for you because I think you're going
• 1:12:52
  to enjoy it. You know so.
• 1:12:54
  Yeah, or Danielle Katz is saying that there are 5 No 10
• 1:12:58
  principles or like 10 principles or 8 principles.
• 1:13:01
  And one of them was like your, your default state is, is self
• 1:13:05
  sabotage. And like, and it is, it is, it's
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  like that's, that's what it means that you're you're.
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  Because it's your heart. Is good.
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  It's like salt, right? Like and there's something to
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  like soak and you don't, you almost don't want to admit it.
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  Like you don't want to say like it feels good to like do this
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  self-destructive thing. But why do you think people
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  can't help themselves? I think it's condition.
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  I think it's not condition. I think it's natural.
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  I think it's nature. Like I think it is too.
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  It's natural to feel that way. I think it is too dude.
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  If you're getting rained out again, it's.
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  Going to stop so I open the what do you call it?
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  So open the shade more. Does it go out further?
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  Hang. On I mean, it doesn't really
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  help. It's like Florida raining but.
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  If it's like a light drizzle, it'll it's.
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  Passing over. It's all right.
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  Yeah, dude. So I think so.
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  I think that I think that the combination of the two and like
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  we're kind of making, it's funny.
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  I also I'm thinking, hang on, fuck too far.
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  Yeah, I was thinking about about vices, right.
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  And like what's like socially popular in terms of vices,
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  right? Because like, this generation is
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  really less into alcohol than like we've ever seen, but like a
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  lot more into weed. Is that true?
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  Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it is, especially
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  among the. I didn't know that There's just
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  been, I just. There there was a study on.
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  Alcohol. Alcohol has potentially gone
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  into permanent decline, actually drop in sales, drop in interest
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  and drinking, drop in people drop in the amount of time that
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  how frequently people drink and and how much has just all been
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  going down. I'm sure human had a big part of
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  it by the way, and Rogan too. And like, there's a lot of
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  people that like, like university are just coming out.
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  I mean, like, your life would be better if you didn't drink
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  alcohol, right? But I also think that at the end
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  of the day, we're also like POTS becoming big and you don't
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  really like to drink most of the time when you're stoned.
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  A lot of people don't. Right.
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  So, but I what I thought was fascinating was like.
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  Or maybe you could do more when you're when you're high, like
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  you don't have to stop. Like if you're a drunk, you
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  don't get, you can't do anything.
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  But if you're. If you're high, you can.
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  You can. Being high was more debilitating
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  to me than being drunk. You can cook when you're high
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  like you can't really cook when you're drunk.
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  Fine, but fine. But short of that, like I would
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  put me in like I think 9 out of 10, maybe 8 out of 10
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  situations, I think I would probably be more functional
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  drunk. If you're going to pray, yeah,
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  you're talking about crazy things.
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  I can chill or like, I mean, you know, but I think one of the few
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  so whatever. Yeah, anyway, not important.
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  So I So what I believe is that or what I've been like this
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  theory or this sense that I get is that this generation is a
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  generation so far of loneliness. And weed is like the seclusion
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  drug. Like weed does not make you want
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  to be social for the most part. Most people I associate smoking
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  with watching a movie, watching TV, scrolling, cooking and
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  eating. But generally like like if I'm
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  about to go out with friends and I smoke AJ, like I'm not going
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  anywhere, dude. Like like I'm much less inclined
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  to, you know, and alcohol was much more is much more of like a
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  social vice and much more of like a social lubricant, right.
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  And like the culture, even 1015 years ago, like, I don't know
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  about you, my friends were getting internships and like
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  college and like starting work. They had like these like team,
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  like, like dinners or happy hours like every couple of
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  weeks. And like, it was a huge in the
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  culture to like, drink together and like, yeah, get to spend
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  time together and like do group activities.
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  Well, COVID wiped that out. So.
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  But then people stopped. Yeah.
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  And then people realized how much money they were saving and
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  how unhealthy it was in that time.
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  And I think that I think that all that stuff was expensive and
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  I think that once they started cutting it, it's hard to go back
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  to uncutting it. Right, like if you're taking if
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  I could save $10,000 a month on rent where I could just hire my
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  team remotely? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Why would I go back to the $10,000 a month?
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  Rent, yeah, yeah, totally. Or, you know, instead of
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  spending X amount on client relationships because you know,
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  and we where we sit down and like have a dinner together and
• 1:17:22
  I have some wine and dine them. Over the last three years, it
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  became normal to do everything on zoom.
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  And like they still feel loved because I call because I call
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  them once a month. Like why would I spend, you
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  know, 10 grand, 15 grand a night?
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  You know, in these places, if you know that's tiny, you know
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  number relative to what they spend.
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  There was this SO. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I don't want. To there was this.
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  There was this AI generated voice over from Charlie Kirk.
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  I was like, it was really insane the way of like what would
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  Charlie Kirk say now if you would, dude?
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  And it was like you. Play it?
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  Are we live? Play it?
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  Why not? It's not copyrighted I guess,
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  right? I don't think people are coming
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  after you yet. I do.
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  Listen to this dude. It's 1.
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  Second, you know first, I want you to know I'm fine, not
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  because my body is fine, but because my soul is secure in
• 1:18:26
  Christ. Death is not the end, it's a
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  promotion. Don't waste one second mourning
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  me. I knew the risks of standing up
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  in this cultural moment, and I do it all over again.
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  Second, do not let this violence divide us further.
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  The enemy wants chaos, fear, and retaliation.
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  Don't give it to them. Instead, double down on truth,
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  double down on courage, double down on your faith and on your
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  families. That is how you honor me.
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  Third, remember this. America is worth it.
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  Free speech is worth it. Fighting for the unborn, for
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  families, for sanity and a culture gone mad, it is all
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  worth it. So dry your tears, pick up your
• 1:19:04
  clothes, and get back in the fight.
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  Do it with joy, do it with strength.
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  And never, ever let evil think at 1:00. 1st that's it.
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  Is that dude? And it was like, so spot on.
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  Like what he would say. Wow man.
• 1:19:19
  Does that not feel like a resurrection of the dead?
• 1:19:22
  Something like that, man. Holy crap, dude.
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  Let's call it here, man. With the main and everything
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  that was good, we call it. That's a lot of fun, dude.
• 1:19:30
  We doing it? Wow.