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Episode 207 | 'Papa Good Good Son · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:20
  Speaker 2: Happy New Year's to you.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: Happy New Year's to you.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: Happy New Year's to you.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: Happy New Year's to you.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Happy New Year's to you.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: Welcome to episode whatever the number is of the Corey Shepard Podcast.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: First episode of 2025.
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: We're in full carnaval mode, right, full throttle.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: And I've been saying it for years and years and years and years that the carnaval is a better place when men like Ben Jai have a hit.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: Only sell my costume and sell my fifth ticket See me.
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: Ah, ah, ha, ah.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: Oleh sell me costume and sell me fat ticket.
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: I'm playing dirty.
• 1:09
  Speaker 3: Clean mask too, mustache too Dimash got too Panorama.
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: See me there with me.
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: Crew, once it's carnival, it's so much a thing to do, oh God.
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: I just run in the road and chip, chip and hold my woman and dip, dip, thank you, oh God, and hold my woman and dip, dip my rum and weed.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: I sip, sip when I play in mass oh.
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: Lord, play in mass, play in mass Play in mass oh.
• 2:15
  Speaker 4: Lord, nobody can tell me About no damn SOE.
• 2:20
  Speaker 4: And we're thinking a party and we're playing mass.
• 2:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, out to play in mass.
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: Oh Lord, play in mass.
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: The carnival is a better place.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: When you see Ben Jai, he's on the streets.
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: On Ben Jai I don't know if Ben Jai I don't like to say man, come back, you know, because man never went nowhere.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: Welcome to episode two, somebody a Corey Shepard podcast.
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening.
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: Welcome to all the new listeners.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: How are you spending all your Christmas?
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: How are you doing?
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: In New Year's?
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: Everybody had a good little vacation, a good little break.
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: People spend some time off.
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: I take a little time off myself.
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: Well, they should know that by now.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: Right, when you see the time off come, right, that's a good time for you to catch up.
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: You know, because the new thing people tell me now, tell me now.
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: It's at a point in time where people used to say, and I'd consider this an upgrade, right, I just see things getting better because there's a point in time when people see me they say, hey, boy, you're still doing that podcast, boy, but I doesn't get time to listen everybody.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: And now what people say is boy, you know, I ain't listening a long time, but I'd catch up.
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: Boy, I feel like it's an upgrade.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: I take in that that that is an upgrade.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: Things getting better, things on the up.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: So when you see I ain't here, it's time to catch up.
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: Right, but I did.
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: I spent what do you want to call it A little white Christmas.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: I went to the white man country.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: I went by Trumpers and spent a little.
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: I went a little close to Trumpers too.
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: I went a little close to the Trump too.
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: I went a little close to the Trumpers In the DMV area and listen long stories about Christmas.
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: You know, we got my Christmas stories over the whole year.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: In a nutshell, the place was cold like hell.
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: Cold.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: People say, well, you're lucky, you come in and the place is warm, all kinds of things they talk about.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: The place is cold like hell.
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: You can't feel your ears.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: Your nose running and people have to tell you it's running.
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: All of you who are accustomed to that and all of you who listen, because when I'm recording this right, I'm recording as if I'm talking to people in a warm place.
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: It don't be no way in my mind that I'm listening in this cold place.
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: I would like to thank Oliver Tunanin, thank Oliver Bina Partey, because it's easy to listen to nothing in that cold.
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: All I have in the cold is regret.
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of regret.
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: You're just feeling sad and cold, if you could feel anything at all.
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: But I want to say thanks to the Cash family.
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: The Cash family took care of us.
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: This was our first Christmas as a family abroad, my first Christmas abroad in many, many, many, many years.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: It's the Palace Stacy first Christmas and, zachary, first Christmas abroad at all, and we were well taken care of by the Cash family.
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: I had a sister.
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: She's called Janelle.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know all my business but I know her.
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: I have a sister named Janelle.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: I had to call her Driving Jesus.
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: She is Driving Jesus.
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: I said we're going to go to our next Marshalls.
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: She said well, the closest Marshalls is in Texas.
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: She said, no problem, I'll drive, working from home but just shaking she mouths all day and just driving up and down for Palestine.
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: She said to spend money.
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: We buy, we buy.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: Listen, you spend money and every Marshalls it have any county.
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: Every Marshalls it have any district.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: And every Marshalls it have any county.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: Every Marshalls it have any district.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: Every Marshalls it have any state.
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: They say DC is not no state.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: I don't really understand what I mean, but she find her Marshalls there too.
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: So this is recovery time, because while we went and stayed by the people who named Cash, my name is not Cash, my name is Credit Card and now it's time for it to pay back.
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: But we come back.
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: I come back, listen, I come back happy and I'm telling you I abroad right and I'm not paying any attention to the fact that the crime rate high in Trinidad.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: This is one of the times I went away and completely turned off and tuned out and again, thanks to the Cash family for what would have been one of my best Christmases and one of my most memorable Christmases ever, thing that you can't forget.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: So my mind not know where and what going on in Trinidad and Tobago.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: I think it is business as usual, only for me to come back and the next morning I hear the place are SOE.
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm so surprised because people have been calling for SOE for a long time and I keep thinking about people, and probably siding with the current government, that the idea of a SOE for a long time, and I keep thinking about people, and probably siding with the current government, that the idea of a SOE is serious matters.
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: That is no joking matter.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: When we had the SOE the last time was during COVID and the place shut down and it was curfews.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: And I wonder if people forgetting I even heard the boss well, he used to be the boss.
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: What a man named Tony Danza.
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: Who's the boss?
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: The boss say you got to take ISO seriously, because when you call a state of emergency and these kind of things, you're putting pressure on the smaller businesses or medium-sized businesses, like when you deal with entertainment and food.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: So I so surprised that I live to see in this country without a natural disaster or a global pandemic or something like that.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: You know you have a state or a coup and that kind of thing.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: You have a state of emergency during Carnival.
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: Hello Boston, the great and honorable right cabinet possessor had a SOE then and it was.
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: It was a lot to deal with and I think at this point in time, 12 years on, many of the people who were arrested during the SOE because the SOE had mass arrests going on, if I remember, and a lot of them sued the state for wrongful arrest and get through Right I'd clap that too if I could talk about the fact that governance is about moving, getting the private funds going, getting people to have money.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the best thing to do.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: Call an SOE, get a lock up and make some money for you and your family yes, why not?
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: What else are we doing with state funds at this point in time?
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: It does seem to be being used for the betterment of the country and to better standard of living and things.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: So maybe we'll extract it through an SOE.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: But we have an SOE going on now and I would say it's a strange type of SOE For those of you who are abroad.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: We have a state of emergency in Trinidad and Tobago, right.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: They have about 15 days under which they could maintain it before they need parliamentary approval.
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: I believe that they said on the 12th of January they'll be going to Parliament to discuss parliamentary approval and, based on the majority that they have, I don't think that they need opposition support to get parliamentary approval.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what to tell you.
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what to think at this point.
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: What to think at this point?
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: I I suspect to extend that it is going to be approved, because I'm not sure that anything changed with the soe.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: I I always keep in in in mind that we don't have all the information, right, we don't know exactly where it is happening and you know they have more information than us and same same as in 2012.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: They had more information us and they say some big thing was supposed to go down.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: This time they tell a story about this man getting shot in the face and he's sending back people for people.
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: So they had good news and got good information that people going back for people and reprisal coming and all these types of things, and I unfortunately let me put it like this right unfortunately, let me put it like this right Even the rumored things about how to say this carefully, boy two top community leaders or gang leaders in the country or you know them types of folks.
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: Now Apparently them fellas.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: At Issybika one find out that one sent people for him, so he's sending back people for them and the man sent back people for him.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: But he's sending back people for them and the man sent back people for him but he missed.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: So he's just decided he going on a rampage.
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately that does not sound like what would qualify for a state emergency in trend, that it more sound like a state of normalcy in trend.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: That's, sad to say, right.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: But this idea of reprisal killing and this one go after this one and this one miss and this one come back after that, or the idea that people send people from foreign and people come and do execution, and it's that not new.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: And if you remember dana sita, I mean, call out high profile cases or high profile murders in trinidad and you will hear many of the same stories being told.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: So it makes me wonder like, okay, what is the information you have that make you call an SOE?
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's things that even worse than the reprisal killing and that kind of thing.
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: But boy it's.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: It is sad to see that what I, as a little child grew up hearing about places like Jamaica and be careful of thing crime there, political this, and that you live to see right here.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: And it is.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: They might vex with me for saying it, but it's it's normal.
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: It's normal sad.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: But the SOE is called.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: I come back here still hungover from because, listen, I went by the cash register.
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: Them don't drink no liquor, but them had the most liquor in the world and I drank all.
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: So I come back here hungover still.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: So to me I was maybe a little mentally cloudy, but the calling of the soe seemed rushed.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: It seemed very, very disorganized.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: It it very much read as if we're making it up as we go along and I could imagine because state of emergency just let me keep the word emergency in mind right, when you have an emergency in your house, it is not time to sometimes put on clothes to grab up everything you have.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: If you have an emergency, you just have to go inside inside the bed, inside.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: An emergency is an emergency, right?
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: So the fact that it seems a little rushed and disorganized, I want to give many benefits of the doubt there, because if I get news that's so bad about what's going to happen in this country and it's to the detriment of plenty people in the country.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: Uh, and I in charge, I'm gonna call it and I go and get the army on the streets and I'm gonna deal with that threat directly.
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: And uh, in other words, one particular emergency come into mind, but I don't want to be insensitive at this time but again, if, if you in a situation like that, the whatever that emergency had, it has to be addressed.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: Let me use a doctor as an example.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: Right, if you go by the doctor and you have an emergency situation with that doctor and you have to do emergency surgery, at that point in time, that doctor and I want you to remember your times with doctors and think them doctors and them have good bedside manner and some of them could be very jovial and cool and salute my guy doctor.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: Why, dr sergey?
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: I have several doctors that I know that could be.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: You know nice people to be around.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: Right now I pardon him, dr dylan.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: So every, let me tell you see, dylan is all talk and laugh and kicks, right, but when them men get into serious mood when you tell them an emergency surgery, it's almost like them doctors just forget you there, them not dealing with you at this point in time.
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: You know, because I remember laughing and talking to turkey when it was, when it was um surgery time and they had to put me on anesthetic and he have an anesthesiologist in the room to inject the back of my foot.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: That man, it was almost like I'm not a person, I'm not the person being considered in this equation.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: He dealing with that foot and that nerve that them men had to hit on them, them men get serious and he say you see, in the day, you see nothing, execute I.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: You're seeing it there, you're seeing it now saying execute.
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: I was like execute who?
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize you were somewhere executing injection.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: I thought I was going down, but the reality is that you just remember the times when your doctor had to deal with something serious with you right, they get very serious and very focused and they address the specific issue that you're facing.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: So your foot could be sprained, your ankle could be bad, your thing, your blood pressure could be low, you're good.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: All them different things go and go out the door to them, except for the things that are critical to the issue them come to deal with at this point in time.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: So to seem rushed and to seem disorganized.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: I could compare it to emergency room.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: Wherever I went in the er in a hospital, everything they seem rushed and very disorganized inside the, because it have to be.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: We're talking about saving lives.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: So my thing is this in an emergency room, the place does not go back to normal until the patient's stabilized and whatever, and or we make a decision or the patient gone right, and then it goes back to some level of quote-unquote normalcy in the air, or until the next patient come in and they had a rush again right.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: Additionally, is only the doctors in the er who have the experience, because everything for me is an emergency.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: If I get a little nail joke, you remember.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: You get a nail joke again when you kick and you swing and you bust you too.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: That is a major emergency for me and I want everybody to focus on me and in the air.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: But the people in the air have experience with is them dealing that whole day, so them gonna say nail joke, you go wait, you go wait, you go wait this man who come in here with the heart attack.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: We had to do little fuss and we had to stabilize him and then we go come back to you, eat that pain.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Aspirin, you know I mean hola.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Ibuprofen, you know I mean drink a ginger ale.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: And in this case, the people who in the parliament, and my minister, national security, my would-be prime minister, who at the time of the press conference would have known his prime, I mean we had no already too, right.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I mean we've been talking about young baby prime minister for a long time.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: You'll get to that right, but at the time he had a press call, right, and you know in hindsight that was going literally for not showing up at the state emergency media conference.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the best decision.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: I think a state emergency had to be taken seriously and I think the man who in charge of the country must come and face the people and you cannot let your friends call a state emergency.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I understand and condolences to his brother.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: I think it would be easy because I know he lost a brother.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I think it was early in 2024, late 2023, he lost a brother.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: So that ain't easy, but it's the work and we want to see you when you call a state of emergency.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: We want to see you and we want you to explain to us what happened and tell us what we're supposed to do, because state of emergency involves the option to give up several rights that we fight for as citizens.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: We didn't have them right, so I'm not talking about I mean I know, said no set of rights, and I went to the African American museum in DC and it was a stark reminder or I hope more for Zachary that at a time where we had no set of rights at all.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: So when you call states an emergency and you give back the rights to the state a state that I don't necessarily trust and I don't think any of us should really trust like that not not the people in power, right, the state itself is a given.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: So much power to the state could be tricky, right.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: So when the men call state emergency, I want to see the boss, I want to see the man in charge, I want to see him come and tell me well, this is the scene, this is what we're going to do.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: This is why you're giving up your rights and freedoms, because giving up my rights and freedoms to the state from a temporary standpoint and something that I could challenge legally and so on.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: To me and it has always been the case for me from 2015 to now it is better to do that than to give up my rights to outright criminals who not law abiding and willing to take life without judicial process and so on.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Right, which is what the criminal element doing in this country or anywhere, and I don't know that the criminal element would be willing to give back power and I can't sue them and I, you know, it's a different.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: It's a different, it's a different ball game.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: So if you have a temporary suspension, am I right?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Just come and explain it to me now.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: So I was vexed when I see rolling come, but me, you know, is the boss you're talking to.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: All the time at least I didn't know that the boss.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: The boss was coming into play so quick, this man coming to play fast.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: So we, we did have them come in and talk about what, um, what the state emergency was for and the information that they had and, of course, the rumor melody, prime minister, right, well, as dr rowley rollers had said recently I don't know who to call what no, rowley had said recently that the idea of a leak and all this kind of thing waste of time because from the, in the era that we and once you talk about something, you know, sometimes you think about something and then you see it come up in your google or amazon suggestions, you know, I mean.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: So the idea of a leak really is what is?
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: It really is, as I was saying, you know.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: So they did say that they have the information, they're going there.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: So he he did say no curfew, no curfew.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: That is that difference.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no curfew.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: But um, so it seems, and that's why I find is a little weird because again, going back to my er analogy, the er not going back to normal, or dylan or sergey or dr white or any surgeon you know, they're not going back to normal mode until everything went well and the patient's stable and they expect a good outcome.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: But I'm feeling like this is the first time in an SOE where everything seems relatively normal.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm judging from a real layman perspective here.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Right, because when you drive on your road, the streets normal, school open back yesterday, the traffic normal, people out late at night.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I see, man down went mocha soca in mocha already.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: According to my partner, edmund F reviews, that's an all normal.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I talked to edwin and he say so, okay, okay, you know the, the bands and them still getting accustomed to the thing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I see a little clip from young brother performing and it is very, very clear that the band's still all rusted.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Again, you stayed, young brother run out on a stage and the, the tempo in the song just started to pick up.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: The band just started to pick up her pace.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I said but why is that a good thing?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: The youth man could perform, yes, and then, um, the fetters themselves, I, I, I was.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I appreciated sunny bling as a very sober mind in the, in the, in the, in the, in the culture, right, uh, a mind that I respect.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I respect his views in the culture.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I was glad to see him make a video that spoke about the fact that the artists come into the fit and they're not really well, they're not singing the song, they're not engaging the crowd and they're pointing mic in the crowd to sing.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Sonny Bling is on the radio four, five, six, seven, eight days a week, right, and he also very much in the culture, very present.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: He sings songs.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: He's an artist too.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean're doing artist interviews and sonny brings.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Sonny bling say he know about tree song.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: He said I only know about tree song and he named the tree song where he know to her.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: He only know about tree song.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: So all like me.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: So how much song I could really know.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I wasn't even home.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I now starting to hear music.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: A man now explaining to me that that Marshall come out in the open and say I have one car, but I wanted to drive two.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: What he said.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I could only drive one car but I still want two.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I know, man, and I was a bro for two weeks.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Me ain't going nowhere.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: There's no length of time like I live in somewhere else.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: So when Sonny Blink talk about it a little more and talk about the bands and them seeming rushed and not prepared, it seemed like nothing had changed.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Because when I tell my mother about Edmund Review, my mother say that's what Soka and Moka always was.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: She says since I fetten and I go in Soka and Moka, when the band come out it looking like the band Rusty.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Still, it's like when somebody exercise for a long time and then now come out to exercise, that's how they're looking.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Artists now finding their way.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: The one, the one criticism of that and I'll get to that later is that I find the artists, the, the idea that you could you expect people to know your songs, is what sunny bling was addressing.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: But even the fetting situation if, if so kind was so since my mother was fetting, then we in a normal state, we're not in an emergency state.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you something.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: You lived through SOEs before.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You lived through the SOEs during COVID.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Were you worried at the time when they called the SOE and they say no gathering.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And what was your sense of calmness?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Because I was a little worried.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I remember living in Riverview at the time and walking around Riverview and people trying their best to maintain a separateness because there's a belief that, okay, this state of emergency is called for a reason and it's almost to protect us from ourselves, right?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: And then in 2012, was it the last state of emergency where the crime situation was Not that it was the greatest thing in 2012,?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Was it the last state of emergency where the crime situation was Not that it was the greatest thing in hindsight?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Because I mean, it wasn't the greatest thing at the time, but at least you were seeing army and police and people getting rungs up and they was talking about Mr Big and the big boy and this one kind of thing, and you were seeing things happening right.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: And even if that was just smoke and mirrors, it was giving me the impression that, okay, something serious happening here and I'm worried about this.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: But they, they, they're going to arrest this one, they arrest 40 here today.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: They tell you every single day because at the in the 2020, 20 are talking like kizal jackson.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: No, I was going to say 20 2012.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: In the 20 2012 soe they was coming every day and telling we arrest so much people, we take this amount of guns off the street, you're not even getting them kind of updates.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, the SOE people don't forget our SOE because Rowley resigned and ran a PNM convention going on in Tobago.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Akash asked Fitzgerald if he really wanted to step down.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Fitzgerald never answered a question.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Since he didn't get a seat in Lavanty, I don't think I hear him talk.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: He comes in the press conference, akash asks him a question and the Prime Minister pulls the mic and he says no, no, no, this is not what we're coming for.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Akash, he shut her down immediately.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: But again, because we're not privy to all the information, it's impossible to judge, but as long as Ben Jai is singing a song like that SOE or no SOE I'm looking to go for it In the midst of the SOE.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Headline reads After giving sermon, special prosecutor, killed in front of wife and children, a question which during the PNM what they tell me is not a convention, I keep saying PNM convention, the PNM strategic planning session.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Attorney Randall Hector, a lawyer who was prosecuted.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: A known gang leader was shot and killed on Tuesday night in Port of Spain.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: There was an attempt on the gang leader's life outside the Beso Street police station on Saturday and the fear of reprisal killings was supposedly a main factor as to why the government decided to declare state of emergency on monday.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: During the attempt on the gang leader's life, one of his courts was shot and killed.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: According to legal sources, hector, 43, once worked in the office of the dpp, then as a lawyer in the office of the attorney general, before going into private practice.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: He was eventually contracted by the state to prosecute the gang leader as a special prosecutor.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Hector had also done legal work for the strategic services agency and elite units in trinidad and tobago police service and was walking to his car at stanmore avenue port of spain when he was shot.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: So let me, let me, let me, let me dissect this a little bit.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Right, I have information.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I in charge, well, me and my partner in charge.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Right, it's hard to say who in charge.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I in charge of rollers and I steward little, all of we in charge of what's coming next, because we's prime minister, co-prime minister, right, so we sit down and we get information back.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: We had a call at state of emergency based on a man who getting our attempts made to gun them down in Beso Street right and we gunning them down because he tried to gun we down in beso street right and we're gonna name down because he tried to gun we down right.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: You know I'm talking from a gangster perspective.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Now they're trying to shoot me.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: So I come back for lay up in beso street right and I shoot and miss, I kill a friend and you're going mad.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You just said you is rampant, you're going wild.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So the government come in and say hey, all, you're going too far with this thing.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Now, state of emergency, we put an army on the street.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I think when you're in a state of emergency all the way, call the traffic warden and all could arrest people, coast guard, anybody in a uniform could arrest people, all amalgamated and them kind of people could arrest people in a state of emergency.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So you take the full defense of the state and you make it available to deal with the citizenry.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I think I was supposed to protect the citizenry from the outsider, like the army and the coast guard and so on.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: You make that part of your apparatus to be able to police this state, to police us at us, to be able to police this state right, to police us.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And while you have that power, a youth man who is a prosecutor, who would have prosecuted, I might remember you saying right, done work for the Strategic State Agency, he done work with an elite unit in Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and so on.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: So, which means this is somebody who you know.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: This is not a youth man who is unknown to you.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: He was working in the DPP office.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: He was a special prosecutor against this same man who you say he is the reason you call the SOE because he's going to go rampant.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And during the SOE, when you have all this on your side, all these resources that you call for and everybody go along with this man get gunned down half past seven in the night, going heading back to his car and all this kind of thing you know I mean now done.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: 43 years old, a man with wife and trend man now started to live life and he could get gunned during a state of emergency.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: That is not a good sign.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: That could never be good.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: That could never be good and one of the things that hurtful about this to me is that could have never be.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Nobody who was in no corridors of power.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: You know, because when them has stated emergency like we're gonna play it this way, the day I hear the soe call the next on.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: You know there's what is called an entourage.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: A vehicle always call it when, when, when a minister again carried on the road with police and them kind of thing, the day after the soe call it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: When I come back here I see one of them going down the highway where all lights and thing and they had to go, army was with them already, you know, which means they've done sort of the thing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: So them have police and army protection and then a youth man who's a special prosecutor on the case.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying no, all right, well, this man going rampant, we call an soe.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: At this point in time we had to put our soul there with every citizen.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So you don't kill nobody.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: But, oh god, a youth man who was working on the case.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: If you have information nobody had any information that there any threat on this person or anything like that nothing at least.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: If we have the, if we have the full apparatus of the state to be able to protect and to be able to.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: It's like and and and.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: They didn't kill the man in guayco tamana, you know, they didn't go down toco.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: They, they didn't put a spain.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: If you have a state of emergency, the capital had to be one of the more protected places it have.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, I don't know about you and I mean call me naive or call me uninformed or whatever you want to call me, because I I feel, for the last two weeks, like me from here, you know, but I am not seeing any difference.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: There's no visible difference to me as to what happened in the state of emergency.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: When I come back versus the state of trinidad, when I leave, I'm not seeing a bigger police presence, I'm not seeing army and I remember the coup not seeing army.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I remember the coup had stated emergency, remember them days.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: They wasn't talking AR-15, they was talking SLR.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: That was a big thing back then.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: But you're seeing army men on the street and them kind of thing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I am not sure that I am seeing any difference in the way Trinidad is operating now versus the way they operate when there are state emergencies.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I know, I don't know, I'm not sure if it's a state of emergency or state of normalcy.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: One thing I did see them do and I had to go to chat gpt for some answers on this, because this is something that has been criticized widely.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: It works well sometimes and then sometimes not.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: The greatest state emergency offers gun amnesty clause to criminal elements.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I'm making this up, it is from gail alexander.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: This is in the guardian.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Uh government is giving the criminal element and citizens who may have illegal guns in their possession a chance to surrender them during the state emergency.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: The regulation governing the soe include a gun amnesty clause which states that anyone who surrenders a firearm, any firearm, ammunition or explosive shall not be prosecuted under the firearms act or regulation for or regulation for illegally purchasing, acquiring or possessing the item prior to the time of surrender.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: When they say, when they say, when they say, ammunition right, it make me wonder if, um, I wonder if I wonder if they give my boy from fire one fireworks.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: This is fire one fireworks.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they get here.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I'm the seat to the bring it all them thing.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: My boys say here what people like a little noise and people like you know, I mean who don't like a little noise and who like a little firecrackers, who don't like a little noise and who don't like a little firecrackers why we can't be tolerant and deal with the inconvenience.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Andre Abram is the man name If I want to see you.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Andre Abram said tolerance and respect are the key for bridging the gap between people who love fireworks and those who love their pets.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I love my pet, but he must be tolerant and patient during the firework times.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Salute to Andre Abrams, special kind of guy, special too.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I'll get back to him and the gel blasters in a little while, right, but for now they say they have a gun amnesty.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Where's all the thoughts on this gun amnesty thing?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: You think, like it's an effective measure to take some guns off the street during, like when you do a little research, when you look up gun amnesties, like put it in ChatGPT and ask him how effective it is, and they have several examples of states where it was effective and several examples where it failed completely.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So it's almost like it's two extremes with gun amnesties.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Right, what you will notice is the countries where they say it was very, very successful and helpful was was states that tend to be governed and organized.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: It was sort of first, you know.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not first world in terms of the money or anything but the mentality, the, the, the view of the way people view the state and the way people behave, and you will see a lot of the money or anything but the mentality, the view of the way people view the state and the way people behave, and you will see a lot of the countries, many more than where it was succeeded where it succeeded.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You will see that a big part of what is already happening in the country where there's a gun amnesty is where they have runaway crime and not a lot of respect for government and governance right and not a lot of respect for civility and law.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: You understand which side of that fence you feel turned on Tobago, liza, and you go tell me.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I ain't sure.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: But if we are the latter, where we run a little while, the respect for law and governance and so on is not there.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: You know what tends to happen in societies like that when you have a gun amnesty, and I remember reading about an example in Jamaica in particular, where it wasn't just bringing your gun, you was getting rewarded for bringing in guns.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So you bring in your gun and you get a little money.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: You know what ended up happening?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: The same men went and bring in the gun and bring in their old gun where they bury it Worker bus on it and no value at all and then they trade it up and buy new guns.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: The criminal element is as the word suggests it's criminal and it must be continued to be treated as criminal.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Criminals go try to bypass and jig any system that you put in place.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: So when I see a gun amnesty here, no mention of reward for people who bring in guns here, but I'm not sure that it's going to.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be the most effective thing.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Which criminal?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Which person who and let me use when I say criminal what I mean is a man who making his living through crime which criminal you're gonna get amnesty for?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: They're gonna bring in the guns and them kind of thing.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Men, men need the guns.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I mean many men better protect themselves.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: If you could stand up outside a police station and nearly take me out, I go bring in my guns and give you to do, to do what?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, again being overshadowed by the news of a new prime minister, you're not really hearing anything about the gun amnesty and its effectiveness.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: You're not.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: You're not seeing a lot of updates about these.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: The state of emergency.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Let me put it this way you all think it fear for me to say a good bit of people, don't forget about this.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: So you're already like people.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: People don't forget people, even studying the.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So you, man, don't go in other business like normal.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I think people for that SOE will become important again when they go to debate it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I think they say it's on the 12th and that is where it is.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: So my takeaway from the media conference was Rowley wasn't there and I was upset, but I didn't realize that he was no longer prime minister and he is officially out.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: He's officially out.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I shouldn't say that, it's not the applause.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: He's not officially out.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Let me carry right music.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: He has during the pnm what you call it strategic planning session or whatever it was they was having in tobago.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: He come out and he had a press conference evening I think that was last week, friday evening and he come and he say here, where's his seed, me and staying here much longer.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: You know, I looking to get out of baghdad, you know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I mean he explained the situation why he wasn't uh able to make the media conference and everything.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Everything was explained, but he let me know, not listen, I out and uh, I will let only know who I will put as my replacement as political leader, who I will put as in getting to the prime ministerial part.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And it's in two, three days past before he come back and say, here, where's he seen?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Still to the man, still to the man.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: So let me, let me get official reports right, just in case you, just in case you're out of touch completely and you miss out, like me, right in case you miss out like a lot.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Uh, roly's retirement bombshell.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: No, the media in this country.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: They're good enough because they continue using words like bombshell and so on.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So act.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And I want to say that these media people, they're bright, you know.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're very, very informed.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: They're doing this every day.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I remember rowley talking about not going back up in 2015.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not seeing much people talking about that, but when he went in 2015, one of the first things he was talking about is he gained out a dodge.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: He said that very, very early in his term, if not unaccepting the prime ministership at the time.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Almost within the celebrations, he said here what is he saying, rowley, me doing this for long and late in late in, uh, his term between 2015 and 2020, he came out and he said again, he not putting up himself for party politics and them thing.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Again he said that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Then I want to believe, and coincidentally I hear him talk about it this morning when he did a little press outside um in magdalena, though he said that the only reason he stayed in 2020 was because of, well, two reasons he gave to because of the pandemic and then to kind of coach up his young ministers.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I mean no pun intended, but he said that he was gonna go.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: So when you say Rowley's retirement bombshell, I wonder like what you mean.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: This is the same media who has reported many, many times, sometimes erroneously, so men had to come out and deny it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: People report that Stuart Young was going to be the prime minister.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: More than I listen.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: A good while now, a good while now, they've been saying Stuart Young is a man and Rowley's stepping down and them kind of thing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: The same media was doing speculation on that.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: When he stepped aside, he already said Stuart Young is a man, the idea of Emery Brown being the person replacing him and Dago Martin West and them thing.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Emery Brown had to come out and deny that the media has been carrying these reports as a matter of fact.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Well, much longer than a year now, I want to say closer to the end of the pandemic.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Much longer than a year now, I want to say closer to the end of the pandemic.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: The rumor they had was was that what was my partner's name?
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Was he a Trinidadian fellow from Howard University?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Again, wayne, I'm thinking Wayne Chance, and I know that wrong, right, wayne Frederick, it's.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: At a point in time they were saying that Wayne Frederick is going to be Drerick is going to be dr wayne frederick is going to be the replacement for roly to lead the pnm.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if people had remembered these discussions at the time, but that's who they were saying is the next prime minister.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: That is, that must be two, three years ago, when you look at how old I was.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: So when, only when only put headlines that say roly retirement bombshell.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I ain't sure where's he was.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: He agendered newspaper, but I guess I guess at the end of the day they're trying to sell papers.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so rolly's retirement bombshell.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: President will have to appoint new pm before the end of the legal limits of this term.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I will resign this office and go off to my family in a historic in a historic first prime minister, dr kid rolly yesterday announced his uh, imminent, early retirement from the office of Prime Minister and his decision not to contest a seat in the next parliament.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: When I see he resigned.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And then Trudeau resigned, I say.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: But two of them ran off into the sunset together.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: But he said he was going to be wife.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Right, he said it was his family.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: While he did not give a precise date for his retirement, he announced at a news conference in Tobago that he would retire before the end of the legal limit of this parliamentary term.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Parliament must be dissolved before august 20th and elections must be held within 90 days of its dissolution.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: The outer limit is there for the end of november.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: So that is when, uh, elections could be all the way to the end of november, although the rumor is election could be carnaval monday and tuesday.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: You could have your first two-day election ever on Cannavale Monday, if I was still.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll get to that in a minute.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: If your prime minister sticks to his words and resign before the dissolution of parliament, it means that the president will have to appoint a new prime minister.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: It also means that when the PNM enters its election battleground it will be with a new leader of government.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: So the truth is he got there Friday evening.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: That was his announcement.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: He let it be known he takes some questions on the SOE, like a long set of questions on the SOE.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: When he had the press conference and he said he had two things to announce and when he announced his second thing he dropped the mic and he bust out no, such a small talk, no time for Akash to ask no kind of question about.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: He take any step aside Now.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I did say here that if he really come through and he do it, which I expected him to do, after the election and all that, the rumor mill was saying that he gone, gone.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: He gone before the election and still going to be the new prime minister and all that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: But in my mind it was always going to come after the election.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Election.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: You know, he win the election and then he hand over.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: But my guy gone.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: So I want to give him a hundred percent credit.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: You know the history is treat these guys well, but while they're there they tend to not be the most likable people.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: People say it's like trudeau, you know, I mean, I remember what it was like when trudeau first went in in canada.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: He was like greatest prime minister or president, or whatever them called evan.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: He was an example for what everybody should do.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Now the man internally, the pressure, is so much that they want him out of it.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: And now trump, trump, talking about annexing canada.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You say, well, if I joined up would be all.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: You have a serious country and a serious state.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: You had to respect that right.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: You had to love these, for you had a lot of politicians.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: But the truth is that we, we, at a point nowhere.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Rowley is not the most favorable person.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Rowley doesn't look like the easiest man to deal with.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I always talk about when he nice, he nice.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I always remember him doing a lab.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I interviewed hans devines during covid and hans walking him through, and then he went and met one of our music producers and you know what I mean and he asked Hans.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: He said boy, you come and invite me over to Campari.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Who's drink did I invent?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: That would make me realize why he's so angry.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: You know, if it's Campari who's drink, he must be vexed.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: He must be vexed with his life.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Who's drink is Campari?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: But he have a personable side that hard to match.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But he also have a side where he like to.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I remember one of the first times he was interviewed after the election win the general election win Our reporter in my naivety I think, quite innocently asked him well, are you on your first election win?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And he said don't you dare print that this is not my first win.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I went to Tobago and I went there.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I said right't you?
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: dare print that this is not my first win.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I win the tournament in Tobago and I went it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, man is getting mad, the man I kind of vexed.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So you idling at 90, we're going on with you.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: But with all that, and maybe at one of the most unpopular times in his tenure, he basically come and he step aside.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: The thing that we call on people to do.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I always remember giving kamala pesad besasa a lot of credit for the amount of ministers that she would have fired, her cabinet reshuffled and we call it window dressing or whatever you want, right.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: But we always have this thing that we like to say if you ain't doing a good job, why you don't resign or why you don't get fired?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: And the public service like you're there for life and no matter and we see many people, we see many there for life was no matter whether they do good, they, they're progressive, or what they end up saying yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So again I want to commend dr roly for stepping aside.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's step aside because he feel he doing a bad job.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Right, don't get me wrong.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like it's a good thing, when you realize you reach your limit, that you step aside.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I like the idea of term limits.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: He served exactly two terms.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't start a head out.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Start a head out.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Start a head out, we, we, we, we enjoy having you here.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: It was great, you know.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I mean his contribution to the country.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: It will take time but people will start to revere him, just like what they revere pandey and all his detractors will be sad when his time come and his number call and all that, just like there was with Pandy and there was with Manning and so on.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: But one of the things that's even more important to me than that not for country but for him is that a man could go and enjoy retirement.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: He had to be.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: He had to be the fittest prime minister we ever had, the man looking good 70 something years old.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: You never own stuff after they make good for yourself, as you say, going and sort of family matters and thing you.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: You don't want this to be, but some of us who listening to this know when you live in a life where you are eight brothers and sisters and think all of a sudden your brother there, the next one gone, you don't think you know easy thing outside of running that country, which I was glad that he take two seconds in the in the midst of talking about it to say that the political landscape in this country get vile.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And I think he is one of the people uh, camilla is probably a close second, but he's one of the people who had some of the most vile things said about him and the attacks on him.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: And, uh, the man of a level of belly for a man with a six-pack that hard I shouldn't say a pose, according to cartel, why but for a fit man, the man has some belly there that I don't know that many people could could withstand.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't, I I'm not sure that I could deal with that, but I outside karen and I made this man and I listen, the city was about him.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: They compare him to all kind of animal and sometimes, you know, the other one does a black person.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I wonder, when I hear the attacks on Rowley, it's like, oh, they're talking about Rowley or they're talking about black people in general.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: It's some of the most hurtful things.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: But this is what the politics come to in this country.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Because while he writes about that, he don't hesitate, even down to the end.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Even down to the end.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: The last statement he make he say well, when I say I was stepping aside, he say I was the worst person.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And now that I gone this is the country dark, but I always have money to drink to my rum he just take he good little digs to, you know.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: But I think if you also look back at time, maybe Chambers right, because they well say Chambers was Chambers is that next man, get anything handed him.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I think they would have passed away in office and they get Chambers.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: So I think the role all Stuart Young need to do right for the history book's sake is don't go down as bad as Chambers, where they start to say you're Duncy and all them kind of thing.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Don't go down like that.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: That's Stuart Young work.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: There's something here that I want to point out right, and this is what I try to say.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not the most articulate person and so on, but this little article here sums up my issues with Trinidad and Tobago politics and again, if I didn't make it clear, I want to thank Dr Oroli for his service.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: It's not easy to be in this.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I maintain that the people who run the country the politicians, the parliamentarians, the prime ministers and so on are the best and brightest that we have.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: These fellas is none of fools.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: They have a lot of belly.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: It take a lot of constitution to do that job and I couldn't do it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: All my hands shaking my knee, I couldn't do it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say can't and couldn't and talk myself out of them things, but those positions are extremely difficult.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: So I want to thank him for his time and his service.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I want to thank him for the because I remember in our WhatsApp group somebody was saying Nikolai Jones, he was saying we're only planning to resign in this press conference and I was like nonsense.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: How are you going to resign in the middle of an SOE and the man doing it?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: And it's not as bad not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I think the soe would be the worst time for you to step aside.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: But the truth is, if I try to step aside in 2020, and it's because it's covid and global pandemic and soe, and I can't do it and I end up running a whole next term and then now all of a sudden is it I can't, I can't do it and I end up running a hole next to him.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: And then now, all of a sudden, I can't just delay my life forever and never step aside.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: So I commend them for even the way that this handover seemed to be going.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: This is much smoother.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: In other words, the change of leadership in our country could lead to all kinds of different turmoil, especially when the flag blowing the breeze, if you understand where I'm coming from.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: But they seem to have this under control.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: So but again, there's a little article I want to read here that to me, it sums up very, very well some of my difficulties with the politics in this country, and I want to use this to make the point that we mustn't wait for things to go bad and for things to go sour to realize that you is a person and I is a person and even though we are on different sides of the divide or we see things differently or we might be you know I run in a business, you run see things differently or we might be.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: You know I run in our business, you run our business might be competitors or we might be a sport on sports teams and you I playing against you.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: You know I mean I strike it and you defend it, or we, we run in our political party and you run in your own policy.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: We, we don't have to be vile towards the person and to find the worst things to say about people.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I do not like this era of politics that we in, where you just say what you want about people.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I want to call the annal roberts doubles and coffee era of politics, where just find the worst thing to say about anybody every single day and call them the worst thing first thing in the morning.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: That cannot be good.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: That make me get two phone.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: That make me get a next phone number, because I can't do you see me first thing in the morning.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Let me control all my morning, feeling like I cannot take negative talk on a morning and you see the set of whatsapp groups where everything is a heaviness.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Let me, let me.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Let me control what come to me first thing in the morning a little bit.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: But this article is by gregory mcburn in the news day.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It says griffith mature rowley making history.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I want to, I want to remind you that gary griffith is one of those people who and he's talked fast too, but when he, when, when you're against, it could be any slightest of thing.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: It could be somebody who runs a podcast and you know, you just say something about Gary Griffith and them men is go at you, gary Griffith, philip Alexander it is coming down to personal attacks.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Kizil Jackson, they have a way of talking about people and things and it's just about riling up people.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You know, political leader of the National Transformation Alliance, people and thing, and it's just about riling up people.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: You know, political leader the national transformation alliance, gary griffith, offered rare words of praise for dr keith rowley after his announcement that he will resign as prime minister before the end of the legal limits of his current term.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: So I've taken this as in order right.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: The friday was when he resigned.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: This would have come out this saturday.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Griffith has been one of rowley's fiercest critics after his stint as police commissioner that ended in 2021.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: The two have since had a contentious relationship with griffith, accusing rowley of improperly interfering with the selection process for commissioner police post, which I think is a fair accusation.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, it seemed as though that was the case right to the point where rollers even come and give justification why gary shouldn't be there again.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, and the justification about the ful process that was tainted, uh, that I'm not sure that that investigation is complete or conclusive or anything pointing to gary griffith at this point.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: But you know, investigations take time.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Griffith's contract as cop was not renewed after all.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: You raise concerns over allegations of impropriety in the operations of the police service during Griffith's tenure.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: But in a rare moment of praise on the 3rd of January, griffith thanked Rowley for his service to Trinidad and Tobago.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I want to commend that.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Let me say, even if we're on the political enemy's side, why we care?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Just be well, thanks for your service.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: You know, you're not even my enemy anymore if you're, if you're stepping aside a matter of fact, if he was doing a bad job and I was cussing you for years.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I go say, boy, thank god you gone.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean even if it take it too long, but thank god.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Griffith went on to say he spent almost half a century serving the country and, on behalf of the nta, we wish to thank him for his service.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: It obviously has not been an easy road for any politician to be serving for so long.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks for saying that, gary griffith.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: These are things that you could also say, even though you're running against this man and nobody can't think roly might go down as one of the people the few people in history, maybe in in the history of the world, who never lost an election at all, whether it's an internal election, his seat, where he's going for by-election, general election, pnm election, whatever.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Everything he do, he just win.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: All I do is win.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: It's DJ Khaled.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: He said while he and Rowley had their disagreements, their working relationship was always professional.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Why he couldn't say this before, why he had to wait.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: It's almost like I don't want to call this on nobody, but sometimes we just wait and that man dead all of a sudden.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: You have good things to say about the man like you're eulogizing now.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with saying, hey, this man is a good fella, you know what I mean.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: We have you know.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I mean we are a good working relationship, I think.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: But I disagree with this policy.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I disagree with his stance on disagree.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I disagree with his attitude towards it why we had to have a political landscape.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: That is just it.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Personal attacks is what it come down to.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: That there's something, and who's chipping and who?
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: We had a good, we had a very strong relationship, a good working relationship for most period when I was commissioner of police, even, uh, and even minister of national security, when he was opposition leader.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: We are very, we are two very headstrong individuals so often.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: So obviously we had certain clashes, which I could understand is like, why the clashes?
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: That again nasty?
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: He praised roly for putting aside political differences when it mattered.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Hear this right.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: He said what strikes me is when my wife was diagnosed with cancer, he immediately contacted me.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: He voiced his well wishes and offered his prayers on behalf of himself and his wife, which was very mature of him.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Before I move on from that right, I want to reflect on that for a minute.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: What strikes me is when my wife was diagnosed with cancer.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: If you don't know, nicole Dyer Griffith, wife of Gary Griffith, was diagnosed with cancer last year I believe, or I'm not sure when she was diagnosed, but she would have started to talk to people about it last year.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: She's very present on social media and talks about her journey with cancer.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: She's somebody that I, I guess you know Nicole Dyer from a long time and miss universe or miss will or whatever she run for, then she might get a graffit and you.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: You know the story of who she is and so on.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you that I have an enormous amount of respect for her because it can't be easy getting that kind of diagnosis right.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I know I know several people in my life who have gotten that diagnosis and recently I was hearing a story from somebody when she got that diagnosis For the first time and it is moving.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Like when she's telling me that story I could almost put myself in her place when she had to.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: You're in so much shock that you don't know what to do with yourself.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: When somebody gave this news the doctor telling you because, again, you remember, doctors go into serious mode when it's emergency room thing and when it's life and death, right, when that doctor tell you that you put yourself in that place.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: If you've never been there, you can't study nothing.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: But in that moment, as a woman in particular, you had to call your husband.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: She told me she called her husband, she can't talk.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Your to call your husband.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: She told me.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: She called her husband, she can't talk.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Your husband had to say girl, I can't understand what you're saying.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Calm down, wait till you say it.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: You then had to study.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Now I had to tell my children I had to get my children together two big enough, one so small how I could tell them what exactly I would say how I could get.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Because your whole life as a mother, as a parent, half of your life now as a parent is not to get these children to worry.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: You are struggling with this, you're trying to figure this out.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: You ain't feeling so good.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: You don't know how good you ain't feeling.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: You have to get up and see what your children Now you have to go and tell them hey, the doctor, now tell me timeline on my life.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Unless I do, bam, bam, bam, bam bam.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: And the chances are bam, bam, bam, bam, bam is this.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: And then the images you see on TV when you hear somebody get diagnosed with cancer or the experience that you may have when you know somebody who diagnosed with cancer Another person in my life sister would have died from cancer.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: After we went through that with her family.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: She had to go and hear that diagnosis.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: What you would do, life stopping's, stopping all what was important, sat to get away with, call it this important, unimportant, everything changing life halt and you had to figure it out from there.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: You have a new life.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: At the moment of that diagnosis and within all that, nicole diagriff it fine time out of her schedule and out of her, the energy that she might or might not have and the time that she had to spend with her husband and her children to come on instagram smiling, smiling to tell people about her journey and her struggles.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: And she just do surgery and it was successful.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Her positivity is admirable.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I ain't talking about this now.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Go back and listen to old episode.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Right, go back and listen to the old episode and we will hear me talk about this before.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I admire the way you know she gets, she gets dressed, she gets she looking good and she completely shaved now and she come on instagram and tell people.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: You don't have to share that with anybody.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: You have enough reason in life not to smile, but nothing again if you feel not to smile.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: And her attitude so positive that it make it making.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it impacts many, many people who have to deal with a diagnosis like this or deal with people who have been diagnosed with cancer or any any any life-threatening illness.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: But even more than that, it is our inspiration for healthy people who nothing wrong with you, but you don't want to do this and you feel like, well, listen, according to shalom.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: If you don't know shalom, go and check jamaica.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: When we talk about vibes can't tell.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you who's shalom right, shalom, but according to shalom, every day I've grown is a blessing, you know.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, even when you're struggling through them days, and sometimes in your healthiest time, you just forget that and take it for granted.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: So I want to personally thank mickle, this guy, griffith, I wish all our the prayers of our family and best wishes of our family as well, but I want to thank her for being able to step out and do what she's doing and so, and if you get a chance, go to her instagram very, very inspiring.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: But again, guy griffith, say Rowley immediately contacted him, voiced well wishes and offered prayers on behalf of himself and his family, which was very mature of him.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I wonder how Guy Griffiths feel when he get a call.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Knowing so many things he had said about Rowley personally, I wonder how he feel and I wonder if it didn't make him feel well, maybe we could be political enemies without that set of vitriol for each other, because he's human too and, as humans, anyone.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: We could get our diagnosis.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something as bad as it might sound, you're lucky if it's a diagnosis you get and you get some option to do something about something, because none of we are bound to be here tomorrow.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: You're bound to wake up and it's one of the things I learned from nicole diagriff in terms of gratitude because she just thankful that she still have life.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: At least you could go and tell your children something and tell you it could be that somebody else calling on say hey, um, this, nicole diagriff, this is, this is your wife.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: We find us one.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: So this life brutal and it's short.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: So I hope that Gary Griffith and more so not just Gary Griffith, but all of us find a way to use this example here as a way that we could live life even though we don't see things the same, even though we might be enemies, we might be whatsoever the thing might be.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not very good at living without enemy.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Better fit yet but if if there's a way that you could just treat people with kindness and respect and understand that people going through all kind of different things.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I remember when rollers, the first time he gained power, right, I remember he was interviewing him in the back of a prado, my boy put on a scarf like if he in the dead of winter in maryland and he was talking so soft he was talking, so he was not himself.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: He usually he's in fight mode, right, while you know, I mean you know you had a kind of bad, bad man, kind of prime minister style about him.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: And when he, when it was almost like so subdued and I remember the opposition and followers in the country just shorter laughing, saying look, you get thing.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Now your truth can't sound.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know if people remember this, but it was.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: It was basically saying good, you went and you take power.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: You bad talk man.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: You think you went and look like what you want to do and now look your truth.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: You can't sound and you're dying.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if them thinking no, listen, you want to hear something funny beyond that.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: More for Gary.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: They had cancer and they're dying.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if them thinking no, listen, you want to hear something funny Beyond that.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: More for Gary Griffith to ponder.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: He contrasted Rowley's approach with that of opposition leader Kamala Prasad Biseso, another political leader who has never once contacted my wife, and my wife was actually a senator in her government.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: That says a lot about personalities.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Listen Me saying Kamala, I don't write to you.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can contact them if you want, you can do whatever you want, but Kamala Nicole Dyer Griffith was a part of a senator under the UNC government.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Guy Griffith has been in alignment with the UNC government at several different times post his life as Minister of National Security under the UNC government.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I would think that it would be nice.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Let me say it like this Nobody owe you no call, nobody owe you no sympathy, nobody owe you no thanks or no prayers or no well wishes.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Nobody owes you that.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: But, as Gary rightfully said, it tells me something about the person character, because I I may not remember everybody who didn't call me during a time when I could have do it a call, or I could have do it help, or I could have do it some well wishes.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: But what I can tell you is I remember everybody who did, everybody who said boy, how you think, if this thing good, don't worry.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I remember all of them.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: There's things that you can't forget.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I have no time to remember the people who ain't called, and my personality is one where, if you didn't call me, I was going through.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I think you was wishing me the best.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Anyhow, yes, I'm a man.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: There's no time to look at life with that heaviness and negativity.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I hope that, regardless of what happens or where dr roly political legacy lands, I hope that this sentence from gary griffith stands at the forefront, or it lays at the top all the layers of what he was, or as prime minister.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about this man like it's no eulogy, neither what he was as a politician, not as prime minister, and as a minister and as a mp and so on.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: I hope that this rises to the top of the discussion about him because again, I remember, I remember being.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: We went and see etienne show right.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Salute to etienne.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Charles, it's me and palace stacy, etienne, charles, jorge glenn, they don't be cool.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: They have a show, carnival time and I remember coming outside of that show, carnival time, and the performers who won stage come down in the atrium in nappo.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: So you know, you, you're done in the show, the show in darkness.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: You see netty and then them on stage and by the time you're outside now there's a whole crowd got outside and etienne and them have a Parangside playing outside.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: So it had to be a Christmas show, right, let me forget the carnival part, but it was a Christmas show.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I think it was Creole Christmas was the name of the show.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: And when he came out they had a Parangside playing, etienne done playing with the Parangside.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Etienne play a quattro too, and the parents playing little songs and singing.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: And at this point in time I want to go and get my quattro, my quattro, in the car it's Christmas time, I don't leave without it and I sit in the bar and if I could fall in it would be nice to take a little play with him.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: And then the Prime Minister, who was in the show, started walking through.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: You know the entourage, whatever you call them, his escort.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: And as the entourage, whatever you call them right, his escort.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: And as he walked past in front of him, I see PNM Stacey's eyes start to light up immediately.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: The red start exhuming out from her body.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: When she see Rowley, I say, oh Jesus Christ, groupie mode now going into the thing.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: So I just think you know, as a prime minister would do, manning was the best I ever see at the time.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Manning is a man who's a hail out everybody.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know how he used to do this, but even when manning passed in police lights flashing and thing, he's a wave to everybody.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Anybody could tell you.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: But as we walk through the crowd now he passed and he walked in front of us.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: And now I see she lean over and she says something like dr rolly you don't remember me.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: And I said oh god roll, god Rolly, eat my food.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: I said oh God you gave it to me.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: What is going on?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Why is she whispering in the prime minister?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I said but this is a national security threat.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I was ready to cause a scene.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: This is a national security threat.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: She could lean over and whisper by the man, but that don't remember me.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Remember you?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: What's going on?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: A little respect, all your respect for me.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: So I want to elbow my way in between now, but I love it as a good, as a good man and a good husband.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: I say all right, all right, and he kind of say well, no, and then she explained to him that well, my grandmother was nelly villareal, miss nelly, and well, from the story that stacy tell me.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I used to like to get g miss.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: She rest in peace.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: I used to like to get g talk about roly.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: And when you go by this lady, miss nelly stacy grandmother used to like to get G to talk about Rowley.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: When you go by this lady, miss Nelly Stacy's grandmother, we used to call her G, right, when you go by this woman, she have a picture of Rowley.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: When you come into your kitchen door it's a big Rowley poster, you know.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: And so I like to.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I said G, this man is a waste Boy.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Listen anybody, it's not on nobody.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Now he like trippy talking.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: So that was me and G little thing, right when I get shit little talk about Rowley, and she said I don't care.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: And she, you know, she said I don't care, that's my son, and we laugh.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: And you know that we little thing.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: But in my mind God bless G's soul.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Long live Pala Stacey.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I say she and G, damn lie, she don't know Rowley.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: You must say yeah, you're so strong, you're playing like Rowley don't know you.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Everybody know the pyramid, he don't know only from nowhere.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: So I hear him, dr Rowley, and I'm a son, that's your son, but he don't know.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: You give me a break with that Rowley talk.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: But much to my me, a break with that rowley talk.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: But much to my surprise, when he say that rowley say that is your grandmother.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: So this man hunter is trying to get him out of place, right here with sharon and everybody.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Now you're with sharon, you're talking to this kind of dark bird, anything, all the whispering.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I said, well, what's going on?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: So I know, looking to see if I could talk to Sharon.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: You know, because you can't be with me.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: You know, buddy, I said, well, you talk, so I can talk to Sharon, nice, let me see what's going on.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: But he said how's she going, and this and that, and I think at the time Stacey would have told her I hope I have these timelines right, right, but she might not doing so good, she's in hospital or what whatsoever.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly, you know, but whatever it was, it might be two separate times that I'm mixing up, right, but whatever it was, he, he, he, he say okay, nice, well, well, you know, you should tell him there's Nelly and she's nice something.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: And then he started walking.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Then he came back and he said give me a number.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I knock into, all hell could break loose now.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I said this man talking number.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Well, you want me mash up in here, but why have I hit his number?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Exchange and so on.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Fast forward to the time.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Now, genie, hospital.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: And when he took the number, he did call and he asked about her and all this kind of thing.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: And you know, keep kind of like, keep me updated, let me know what going on with her.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: But fast forward to the time, the unfortunate time I'll never forget where somebody who was in my life for such a short time, gee, and had so much impact on me, would have passed away, right, and I remember driving through Woodbrook and well, she got the message to him that she had passed away and he called this is the president, prime minister of the country you know.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: And the backstory behind it where he's telling the people they lie.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Apparently, when he was now running for digger martin and thing, miss nelly oh we call g was right there with him, walking through all the constituencies and supporting him as a member of the party.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm around a lot of party card holding pnm members.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: I just want to put that out there.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm not one, I'm not, I've no party card.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I have nothing for nobody, not me, but the, the, the people, people, people in the party.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: When you know coming up and looking for strength and trying to go as a lempy and run for area, you know again you're.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: You need support and for that to happen when you reach all the way to prime minister, that happens if he was in parliament for 30 years or whatsoever.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: It is for you to remember that person and call personally to say, well, my condolences, my sympathy, whatever it might be, seem to be, because now Gary Griffith is somebody and Nicole Diagraff is somebody, and not that I don't want to say g and I don't say anybody is nobody, but them fellas in public life.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: So you could see why that call will make.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: But I want to tell you that, based on my little bit and it changed the way I see him because there's no press for a call like that.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: When you call palestasie, it have no coverage, it have nothing to gain, it have no, it have.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: A matter of fact, it was a COVID funeral too, so it's not even like you could show up and get some political mileage from it.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: It had nothing to do.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: But it takes a lot and it shows a lot about the character of a person.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: When you could pick up that phone and call somebody who could do little to nothing for you, just to say, hey, my sympathies, my condolences.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Or you could pick up that phone and call somebody who say all kind of thing about you and is the enemy, to say, boy, sorry to hear that, you're in the prayers of me and my family, and so on.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: You want to talk about the second part of Gary Griffith's statement where he say, where he say Kamala never called.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Let me read this first Kamala and PM's decision to resign is a clear admission of Rowley's failure.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Dr Keith Rowley's decision, four days into a state of emergency, to announce his intention to resign as Prime Minister and also not seek re-election as an MP is a clear admission of his failure to lead the country effectively.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: This was, if your opposition leader, kamlo posad, be on january, 2 hours after rowley made the announcement at the tail end of his press conference in tobago.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: In a press release, the saparia mp said rowley's announcement was the latest evidence of a government in chaos, and also the pmnm.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, and also that the pnm had led the nation to a failed state.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: She accused the pm of ignoring the lives and livelihood of citizens while engaging in a perverse, wicked super pro with the pnm.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Wow, she said rowley's legacy after 45 years in politics is one of failure, division, disrepair and left the nation in darkness.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: She said the only honorable thing left for him to do was to call it general elections at the press.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: At the press conference uh, rowley said he had served the country in several political capacities for the past 45 years, which is a long time, indicated his intention to resign as prime minister before the next general election and will not seek re-election.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: We say all all that already.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Right, but Sadby says to ask if Rawley intends to use the cabinet retreat as a platform to pressure and bully the PNM's MPs into endorsing Minister Stuart Young as his successor.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Well, if that's the case, it would work right.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Young, the energy minister and minister of the opposite premise, good.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: So she went on to talk about the economy in shambles and all the different things that she's done and all those things, but there's one particular statement that stood out.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: She said what we have is a prime minister who was a lazy low-down, whatever it is she say, and she hand over to her old lazy dishonest, to her young lazy dishonest, I suppose right as a political enemy, let me not ask too much or be naive.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: As a political enemy, I suppose you had to be them while they're done, right, but just for me, just the way.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: I think if he step aside I'd probably say just hey, thanks for your service.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: You was there for 45 years.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: We had several differences.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: We do agree on policy.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I think I'm the right person to be in the seat that will lead the country.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Her last statement is together we will rise from this despair and build a great nation.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: A brighter tomorrow is possible under the leadership of the UNC.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: It will be achieved.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: I would probably stick to more that side of the message.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: This is probably why me ain't going no seat, nowhere, because I ain't getting into a lot, especially when to me it's like when your opponent resign, he resign, your opponent dead, your opponent dead.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I might be the person who need to take.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: I would just focus on my next opponent.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I saw it before and funny enough, kamala was saying the same thing that they're trying a democratic party undemocratic mover just putting a prime minister on us and so on, which is covered in our constitution anyway.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, if he step aside, he had to put somebody.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Or if he pass away, somebody had to go right.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: The constitution covers that.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: But you know they say Biden, when Biden moved and then Kamala went and that kind of thing.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: You know I saw Trump maybe flustered for the first time when they had that first debate with Kamala At that point because you know it's almost like he had so much like he planned and set for Biden Almost set, as if it's an easy race.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Nobody is studying Biden.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Everybody is watching Biden as a loser.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Much like he planned and set for biden, almost set as if it's an easy race nobody in studying biden, everybody done watching biden is as a loser.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: And when kamala come and sung together, you know the biden was never singing together to me, he was always singing a little bit off like some men right to this man.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: And maybe that republican campaign was so focused around biden that they take them a minute.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: I mean they get together eventually.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Of course I mean inauguration.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: By the time you listen to this is men, men, inauguration prep, right.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: But you see somebody who was up there and and could put their words together well, and looking young and inspiring and that kind of thing.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: And then, uh, the man, flustered, he he fumbling on his words a little bit, eating the dogs and so on.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: He was still talking to exactly what the BSU's people were having, but it didn't sound good in that debate and Kamlo basically saying that that is what the PNM do.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Here they put a whole lazy man and they put a young lazy man now.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm feeling like if, for the two minutes that Stuart been put in charge while I'm recording here, for the two minutes that Stuart been put in charge while I'm recording here and listening to Kamala talk about it, did you see Gary Griffith's stance on this, his position?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: And I didn't even read the whole article, I only saw it as I read further, in that he was actually talking about Rowley and his wife and so on.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Um, we think of what it will look like when kamala passad becessa, campaigning head head on against young, assuming that I'm assuming that the pnm at some point have internal elections.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Uh, they're saying in this, whatever they had there with the vote he beat.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Penelope spencer was the only other person to challenge him.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: The other challengers have been rumored to be foster cummins.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Um, I was at ferris as well, assuminguming that PNM will figure out who to put his support behind at some point.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Let me assume Noah is young, right, and they have an internal election and young win and young is the man for the next campaign.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Who will lead the next campaign as political leader?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: The PNM?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a juxtaposition and not going to look good for Kamala Pazad Bisesa at all.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Not that a juxtaposition are not going to look good for kamala pazad besasa at all.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Not that.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Um, I struggle to find, on either side of the divide, somebody who is inspiring and I'm just talking inspiring from a leadership standpoint.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: You know they're saying things where we could see the situation in country and now, and at least the things they're saying sound like all right.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Well, let me give this fella a chance, you know.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: So, something like how trudeau was singing back in the day, how obama would have sung with his um, audacity or hope, and so on.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: I'm struggling to find that on either side of the divide, but if one of them was to come out and give me a story to hold.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Let me say they just gave me some inspirational story to hold.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: They read a good motivational book and they come out with a speech.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: I much rather hear what Stuart Young had to say than what Kamala had to say, under some conditions.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Right and again early reaction to this right, because I know he ain't not Stuart Young as a man, but I guess we knew that one time.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: But oh, stuart Young is about 50?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Give me that, you know.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Give me somebody who ain't good at all at 50 and who pulling all over my head at 50 and who pulling well over my head 50 and who all that than somebody who ain't good at all at 75.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: So when, when, when kamla said they put her old lazy man in for the young lazy man, give me the young lazy man in there.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, pause, you know what I mean.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: I look tired of the rollies and them and the ideas and kamla and them and the ideas.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I hope that would start young there.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Well, fitch girl, look like he pack up right.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: It look like his sandwiches for Fitzgerald Colm, still smiling big like if he knows something we don't know.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: I hope that is it for Colm.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: I want to tell a lot of people thank you for the service.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: You know, I find this is a good transition as we head towards 2025.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Well, we're in 2025 now.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Well, we're in 2025 now and it's a good little time for we to be able to watch people and sing.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks for your service.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: It was so good having you here.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Love you, love you, bye.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: I just hope we have a lot of love you.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Bye coming, and I hope that whoever Kamala call or you know, she went straight into campaign mode attack Rowley.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure within the next few days we'll hear her attacking Stuart Young, which is expected.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: But in the midst of that, attack yourself, tuna.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Attack yourself to make our wrongs.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Make our wrongs.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: It'll be good for Kamala and Rowley.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Now is the time to get legacy behind Tua Wole.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Go write a book.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Make our wrongs.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Rowley say I'm her husband.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I see Rowley do in her earlier clip they play from some years ago.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: He, when he was announcing kind of like there's the end of my um, there's the end of my life as a politician.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: He was on the political campaign, right, and he basically saying it's time for me.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: He said I have things to do and people to see and like then you remember you have a wife and hug up your wife real quick because the people here are seeing shit.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, go and see some people go someplace and do some things, carry them, carry them, make a list of them, go be saying anytime your name has three syllables, head out, head out, pack up.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Let this be a, let this be a time you want people brought one syllable, just young.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I mean only find some people over on that side who could come in.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Let saddam and them do a thing.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, put saddam in charge.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Let me give you some names saddam hussein, barry padarat.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Only find michaela pandey, anybody under 50, I don't care.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Find them, youths on them and only have a chance to vote again.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: It's so hard when your only options to go and vote for is PNM and UNC.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: We have nine months.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Find people now.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Find people and put.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Even as I say that it's so difficult because some of the people who put are sure Kizil under 50.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: And Philip Alexander might be one of the kind of people, but the young people, I know what it is.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: What's the real solution.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: The solution is green card.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: This is the only options we have.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: But having said all that, congratulations to energy minister Stuart Young and then prime minister.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Prime minister, in waiting they have this thing.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Dummy prime minister, dumb waiter.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Prime minister, I don't think I saw a good article talking about that.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: You know that US system is such a strange one to me, where Trump won the election in October, november or wherever he won it, and a man has just remained president until January 20th.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: I find that is one of the worst policy I ever hear and like he, he just taking that time to pardon his son, pardon rappers, everybody getting out, I think, biden free cartel, you know, I mean, it's just you do whatever you want in that little space of time you have.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: But anyway, energy minister seo tiong will replace dr rowley as prime minister.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: When the when the latter, the mitts office rowley, made the announcements on january 6th at the close of the government's parliamentary retreat at Magdalena Grand Beach Resort and Golf Club in Lowlands Tobago.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's parliamentary retreat, right?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: That's the way they're looking for, not a PNM convention.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Sorry, parliamentary, if it's official government business, I apologize.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: January 6th do you remember that date Coincidental that she didn't hand over on that date.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Rowley claimed Young had the majority of supporters incidental that she's a handover on that.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Rolly claim young had the majority of uh of supporters.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Planning minister, develop planning and development minister penelope beckles robinson was also said to have been considered or to have been considering throwing her hat into the ring for the position.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: I could say something about penelope beckles robinson for a minute before I move on.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: I know this about steward young, right, I want to say that I respect her work ethic a lot from a few standpoints.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I know part of politics is window dressing and you have to look good and that kind of thing.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Right, but on either side of the bench, in terms of their presence on the ground, their presence at official places wherever they need to be, and their social media representation of that.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that everybody there don't work hard and all of them don't be on the ground, right, but these two people you see, saddam hussein and pelopi beckles robinson, whoever doing their social media for them, they own.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: I say not to say I'm looking for somebody to do social media for me, so maybe I had to make some deals.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I don't find who doing saddam saddam um social media, looking for somebody to handle mine, but whoever doing it for them, they're really good and and they can't create what not there, right?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: So it shows that the both mps are on the ground and you know doing the work.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: But I suppose, apart it is penelope.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: But I mean how much hope you could really sell if he is biden age.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: You know young anyway.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Planning development minister penelope roberts, who was also said to have been considering throwing her hat into the ring for the position young and attorney and senior counsel.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, he's been mp for port of spain, north st ann's west since 2015.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: He'sa minister energy, a minister in the office of the prime minister and a former minister in the ministry ministry of the attorney general and legal affairs.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: He has been appointed as to act as prime minister and attorney general on occasion.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: On several occasions he got a good little arm.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: That way you're called succession planning.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: The man make a whole wrong robin inside the Parliament and all them things before they hand it down to him.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Good, good succession planning.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: If you ask me, rawley announced at a news conference in January that he would step down and so on.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: You know all that already.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: So congratulations, congratulations to Minister Young.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Our expectations are very, very high.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: The first thing I see circulating is where a man asked him a question on his troops.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: I want to salute Maurice Burke.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Just before I started to record, I posted on social media and I was like great start.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Maurice was like son, you need to double check your sources.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: That is old, that is a year ago.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: I appreciated that because I was going to talk beaucoup garbage here about him being the first thing he do is stoop and it's not true.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad to find out that that was a year ago.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he learned from that mistake and he's going to greet the country with, he's going to open with inspiration and hope.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: I hope, and I mean with a name like Young and at your age.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: I think you have a different philosophy and policy.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: I think it would be important to not make the mistakes Kamala Harris make.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: I think you have to distance yourself from Keith Rowley and his policies and his attitude and all the different things.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: It's almost like you have to embrace all the good things that Rowley brought to the table and say, hey, I was wrong for that, and then, when it comes to the bad things that people didn't like, say I was always against that.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: I'm a new man in charge and part of being that new man in charge is to get rid of calm.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Moving augustus, inbird, fitzgerald et albert.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Moving augustus hines, pack of people.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: It's not a pack of people in me.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: You know, I was telling a partner of mine right that, if I am, let me say roly had called me and put me in charge.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Coincidentally, I see a woman on the beach, roly, going to take a little sea bath.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: No, I want you to think of this right all the week or two before you go on vacation.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: You done working.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: It works.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: When you resign at work, I have some partners every minute.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Have them men taking on your work.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: When you're taking on a new job, right the week before the month before you're done work, you're not doing nothing.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: You're minding checkout and going to the new job already, as an employer would tell you to.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: When you come and resign and tell me you're gone after that, I'm not expecting much from you.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: I'll then focus on your replacement and what I need to do to keep this ship running when you go on.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: I wish you the best right.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: I saying that to say roly and stormy, it look like an a woman done, making her look on the beach, look what the big man that bear back.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: You're going to enjoy your life.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, go and take sea bath, soak your old bones, play a golf.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: You do whatever you feel to do.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: You do good service and don't let nobody and I mean, he ain't studying nobody anyhow Don't let nobody be the only tractor to you.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: You know, rollers, you go and enjoy your retirement, but while he in the seat there he ain't doing nothing.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: So that woman said look who on the beach Rollers.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: And here she now.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: You should have put me as prime minister, but I saying, if you had put me as prime minister, my first address to the nation would be with regard to the state of emergency, and I'm going to talk a little bit about that.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Right, and I'm outlining a clear plan.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: That's only not the reason for it.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Already I'm outlining a clear plan and are leading us into the debate that will get us past the 15th if we need more days of state of emergency.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: My second order of business is cabinet reshuffle.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Men got to go.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: I am putting my people in place.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Remember that when Patrick Manning was replaced when Rowley came in, he bring his own people in, including Stuart Young and these fellas that make moves.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: One time you had to bring the people who support you and you know the party politics is a nasty game, but it is what it is and you had to bring people who you're sure on your side by day three.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: I am calling an election immediately One time.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not wasting no time with that concern because it would have been very clear if I was being selected to do this.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: My first and foremost is the long-term well-being of the people of this country.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: That is my main focus and I was getting that right.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Everybody I talked to who know anything about politics tell me that my policy is horrible and I would have lost the election immediately.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you that that's what I was doing, because the main thing would have been I cannot be seen, if you put me, as political leader of any one of the big parties now, as prime minister of this country, I have a plan that cannot be executed in five years.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Five years cannot solve the crime problem here.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: It cannot solve the education system.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: It cannot solve the hospitals, it cannot solve the road situation.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: It cannot solve artists going in fet and not singing no songs.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Five years cannot solve no problem.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: So if you put me there, I'm going to be there for a very long time.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: It can't solve artists going in fit and not singing no songs.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Five years can't solve no problem.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: So if you put me there, I'm going to be there for a very long time.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: I want to execute my plan.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not going there unless I have a very good plan that could see me when it's time for me to close my eye.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: I know this country in a better place.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking for long-term planning and I don't need to be there, tootie ass, to do it.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Two terms good, because then I could put policy and everything in place so that anybody who come there after me have a strong footing and they could go their way.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Right, because I want to go on the beach and play golf like Raleigh.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: I want to see people too.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: I have one car, but I could drive two.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, or whatever Marshall say.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: So my first order of business would have been to set the tone for what it is my period of leadership going to look like and where I want the country to end up by the time I step out of this place.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Right, however, I end up stepping out.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: And that is just basically strategic planning, right?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Just basically saying where I, where we are now, where we want to be and what's the policies and strategies I want to put in place to get there.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: But I cannot achieve that if I seen as roly underling, if I seen as a man who just get roly blessing, in other words, camilla come on, what's your name again?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Camilla pesad harris in states right.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: They ask her what she might do different from the biden administration and she says she can't think of anything she would do different.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: She lose the election the day she make that statement, if not before.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Because the truth is, even while I in power, if I run in for election again and they ask me what I'm going to do different, you cannot just say nothing.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: They have thing, no matter what decision you make.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: One thing business degrees is teacher, right.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: Just critical analysis.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: That's what you get when you do degrees in business in particular, right?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: I never know the other kind of degree, so I only know business.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: And so when you see somebody at mba, that person could do critical analysis.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: Well, well, taught out things.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: When you see somebody at mba, they have that and really what it is is really being able to assess a situation and come up with a plan.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: And when you assess the situation, you can put forward your advantages and disadvantages, or your your upside and your downside, or your drawbacks.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: You understand what I mean and that's what the critical analysis is, and in the face of the the downside or the disadvantages, I could put things in place to mitigate the risk where they're concerned.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: When I put forward my new plan, I could also tell you well, the upside to floating the dollar is this, the downside, is this what we could do about the downside.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: Be wary of people who come there and tell you things as if it's on the downside.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Every decision you make.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: If you build a new hospital, the money could go towards a school.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: They always have a downside.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: They always have an opportunity cost, right.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: So when you have people coming in place to tell you, hey, this is what is the plan going to be, I want to be able to communicate that very clearly.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: And days where we had to be.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: If I was in power already, even if I do great things, like a bill of children's hospital, a bill of stadium and I name it after the greatest cricketer, whoever live, I build new highway and I put new roads, so all those things have upside.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: They have downside too, so they have opposition who could say, oh, never forget the opposition.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: I have citizens who could say, boy, this was your worst, bigger thing.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Imagine I come to Bella highway.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: You're going to tell me put it between my leg.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: What the hell kind of respect is that?
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: No matter what you do, it got people who aren't happy with it.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: So, even Even if you're running again as the incumbent, you still have to come forward and tell people hey, this is what we'll do different.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: This thing we had this plan, this didn't work.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Well, we're adjusting.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: You have to do that as normal.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, half the people listening to this who are working now went to meetings like this this week.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: The beginning of the year is that time everybody has had the most hope in the world and and you're going to talk about your plans and where you're going to do different this year and this financially and whatsoever.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: It might be right.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like if, as a young, budding prime minister, if you put me in that place, I'll let you know, boss.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: The first thing I do is I have to distance myself from the last administration.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: I have to show my new leadership, show new direction, show hope.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: I bring in the best marketing people.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I have a man named Al Rice and another fellow named Jack Trout who came up with a whole marketing plan for Jamaica when it comes to tourism, and up to today we struggle in the Caribbean for foreigners.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: When you see Yankees or Europeans and so on, when they talk about coming to the Caribbean, you still hear Jamaica name called first and that's as a result of work that was done in the 70s.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: When they redo their strategic plan and do a marketing plan that positioned the Jamaican brand as a nice runaway, and I get it, I go into them kind of people you know, because I need my version of the audacity of hope.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: What about the autocracity of young?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you could do that, but find a slogan, find something that's inspiring, find your version of what is Vision 2020.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Because I think, as funny as it might sound, right, not just the fact that Stuartuart young is a younger fellow and, uh, he have a lot of experience for somebody his age because he's acted several times, he's been around but I, I see the, I see the fella as poised, as more measured and diplomatic.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: You know, and I like things like that about somebody who is a leader, not saying rowley was not or kamla was not.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: I just feel that he has that and I feel, from the standpoint of international relations and where the country lands in terms of our uh, our international image, in terms of how we address, in other words, somebody who, in a crisis, something once it's not no step by the stage and those types of like trip hazards and so on, I see him as somebody who could stand well if the country in a crisis or if in critical mode or imagine him being the prime minister during something like covid I don't think he would have come out and make any brash statements or do anything to off the cuff or too wild.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: He looked like a very, very measured young man who, taking the advice of others, who speaks in a very measured tone.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: You don't hear him.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: You don't hear him too vexed.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: You don't hear him too too.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: You ever see stuart young laughing hard.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's really just every one zami and thing before that, before his army statement.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: You don't really hear him talking to any cousin.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: You know the rum shop style and you know, you know, overly laid back.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: We do say I feel like.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like if Rollers think I mean he had that decade to think this thing through, but I feel like he picked a good successor.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: I like the idea of Stuart Young being there.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: The thing is, I feel, you know where I feel he lacking.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Like I said, critical analysis right.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: My advantages of Stuart Young is first and foremost, the youth.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: With that level of experience I think is really good.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: It puts us closer to a place where I saw Jamaica when somebody like Andrew Holness took over or Mia Motley, he seemed to be a little more.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's a youth, it could be fooling me too, but he could be a little more in touch with what's happening.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like Stuart Young and I used to say the same thing about Faresal Rawi.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: I feel if Stuart Young and I used to say the same thing about Fares Alrawi, I feel if I tell him chronic law, he will know who that is and he will know it has nothing to do with legislation around marijuana.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: I just feel so.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: I just feel like he'd know a little more, he'd be a little more current than Akamlo or Rowley.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: So I think that's some of his upside.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: He's very, very measured.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: He seems to be diplomatic.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: He's very, very measured.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: He seems to be diplomatic.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: He's a very, very bright fellow and you need some of that in the political directories in this country, especially against the backdrop of the Philip Alexanders and the Kiesel Jacksons of this world and the Arnold Robertses and some of them.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Some of them are a little wild, you know what I mean, and I fear I'm frightened when I hear them talk about them.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: Next prime minister of the country.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: They're a fear.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: I'm frightened when I hear them talking about them.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Next prime minister of the country.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: You know why I feel his downside is, if I had to say disadvantages.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like mia motley.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: Let me use her as an example right, as a terrible person to be compared to.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Right, so difficult.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: She's just who she is, but she has a charisma which I want to say almost all the politicians have that right.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: If you sit down and talk to stuart young for five minutes, you're gonna like him, just like any other politician.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: They're good, but she have an inspiring way that she talks about something.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: She you know she talks about things in that way.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: So when you see her go to the un and talk about the caribbean.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: You see her talk about suka and calypso and mention black style energy.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: She have an endearing way of talking about things, but I feel that comes from somewhere and that's where one of Young's drawbacks is, because if his personality type is not like Mia Motley, he shouldn't pretend to be like that.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: But what I feel that Mia Motley has that some of our leaders need to focus on, is like what is your purpose?
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: You see, she goes in there with her purpose, purpose.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: So even though, if you think of your top five moments or things that were inspiring, that mia motley will say has said, you might find that a lot of it comes from her purpose, which she seems to have worked on, you know.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: I mean to find a singularity of purpose and something that she could focus on, on something that marks her tenure as prime minister, but more than just prime minister, marks her what she wants to leave this will as so.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: She sees the caribbean as something.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: She loves the caribbean.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: She doesn't just love barbara, she loves us as caribbean people.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: She knows what we have been through and she she has a good sense of what it will take to correct what we've been through and to make it right and to put us in a situation where we could be genuinely globally competitive.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: Is that a good purpose statement for me, or motley?
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Is it somebody play that for me and accept?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: That's what she called it, because it seems clear.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: So they have a singular thread running through her, her speeches and her stance on things and so on.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: So it's almost like just back to business.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: 101 is vision, mission, core values.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: So I encourage mr young to do be do be a glad that maurice berg.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Salute to maurice for pointing out to me that the first thing was his troops.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: You gotta be upset, you know.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: I hope that the first thing he comes to do is to speak to the country about what is his vision, mission and core values outside of the pnm.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: I want to know what you stand for, because up to today I can't tell you what is the name of me a monthly party.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: Me and barbados and me are nobody to vote for over there, so that's not my concern.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: I just know her as a person, me know who she.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Deputy political leader, me know who she.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know nothing about them thing.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: What I know is that she seems to have a circular, a singular purpose at least the one communicator does right which is more than just a party vision or political vision.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: It seems to be her life work and I would like to hear from Stuart Young.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: What is his vision?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: What does he stand for?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: What is his stance?
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Is it just like school again?
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Give me a good assessment of this current situation.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: That is what I mean when I say go in and talk about the SOE For people who study business.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: I will tell you what I mean when I say talk about the soe.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: What I mean when I talk about it is a situational analysis asking for macro environment, micro environment.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Do the situational analysis first.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Tell me what it is and don't talk to people like if they're dumb.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Everybody know why I said you don't have to have a master's degree and you don't know how to know what.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Do not swat and not personally.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Do not know how to do.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, none of them.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: Thing to know is a situational analysis.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Come out and tell the nation what is your assessment of where we are.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Come out and tell us what is your vision and your mission and then start to tell us about the whole.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: I want to hear it from you and listen.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: If I would love for him to do that, I would also love us to salute and congratulations him and I wish him the best.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: We must say this when we put a new man in charge, because if he do the best, all of us go benefit.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: We can't keep talking as if we can't talk like opposition party members all the time, where we hope the other person fail, regardless of what happens to the country, because it's in our best interest for the country to be in a bad state so we could look good if we do a little.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: We can't think like the opposition.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: Uh, talking about the opposition, as I congratulate steve, I would like for somebody in the opposition to whisper, whisper, whisper to the bosses up there and tell them, as barry's hammond wise words would say step aside.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: Now another man, come to take over, I don't care if it's man, woman or beast.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Find somebody, and I'm begging for that person to do the same thing.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: Come out, tell me what is your assessment of the situation and tell me what is your vision and mission and tell me how you plan to get there and what is your core values.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Don't tell me about UNC.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: I want to hear what OPNM do for the next 10 years.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: Think bad man shooting man in front of police station, prosecutor getting gunned.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: Think bad, we know it bad, we want to see where people will go.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: What's all your plan for all this?
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: And if them, two sides have that, and then I could have from one of the younger people who would ever lead the PNM if I'm not mistaken, you know between 40 and 50, if I'm not mistaken about his, you're between 40 and 50, if I'm mistaken about his age and only younger people who could ever lead the unc.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: If you find somebody wrong, that age too, and and and and, the same kind of temperament and measured way, and you know I mean, then I could, I could envision a political debate where you actually have two leaders who talking about issues that matter to people and who not talking about issues, like if it's only them who in parliament could understand it and it's only them who are advanced degrees could understand anybody could understand the things.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Forget this idea that you're bright and you study there, ta, ta, ta ta.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Explain it to people.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Me, no doctor, me no doctor.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: I know doctor, I know surgeon, I know nothing.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: I start to get a shoulder pain now I go on with the doctor.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: The first thing he asked me I said yeah, so you say how old is now?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: I said between 44.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: He do some tests.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: He pushed my hand so he pushed one back.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: He pushed it and then he stood up and he tell me yeah, what going on?
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: Everybody who's going to gym, right, feel like you're supposed to be progressing with how much weight you lift all the time.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: So he's continuing to lift heavier and heavier and heavier weight.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: You see, and you see, when you start to reach a certain age and your muscles you know what I mean you're losing muscle every year.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: So you're lifting heavier weight while you're losing muscle, you see, and then the muscles start to swell and they just get injured and all that thing.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: And you see the space between your shoulders that's built for heavy weight this time.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: That's him built for heavyweight this time Sugi, in the same gym with me.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: So he fully, well seen, I shouldn't be lifting them for the heavyweight.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: And he said it's how I think all our shoulder impingement.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: He said what is happening is the muscle.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: He said the muscle between, like your hip bone, there and where your foot coming down my leg and on top your thigh.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: He said that is a big joint so when you're doing squats there it can hold plenty weight.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: He says the same kind of joint up by your shoulder and he said that joint is so big and you're getting a hole and he said the space now between that ball joint and the top of your shoulder.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: He said small.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: He tell me that three type of shoulder people.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: He said that one person who shoulder parallel to the ball joint right, they're running same size.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: And next one with the man's shoulder bone going straight across on the ball joint so it have plenty space.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: And say that next one with the space actually getting smaller.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: You say you is type two, you in the middle, you're thing parallel part of my perfection.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: But you say when it parallels, so the muscle and the space expands when it gets when it, when it, when it, when it, when it gets swollen, it continues to pain because they have nowhere to go is an impingement.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: And I say wow, I didn't know that at all.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: No, me had to do no medical degree to do that.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure that version of the description he given me is not what his teacher telling him medical school.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: He can't impart to me in two minutes what he know about shoulder impingement and why, when you're old like hell and your ego bigger than your muscles, these are problems.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: But you could certainly talk to me like as a human being and say, well, all right, you understand this, any questions you could.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: So I, I'm, I'm, I'm almost yearning, I'm famished, I, I can't wait to see a leader who'd explain complicated issues to people like shoulder impingement I'm not saying that everybody gonna go through the, the um, who teach me, who teach my management, and this kind of thing.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Again, I die clark.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the woman name, I can't remember the subject nor the person name.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: But to talk to us like as real people, to talk to us like, if you, everything is not a political agenda and everything is not about the unc or the pnm, tonm, to speak to us and speak with us rather than speaking at us.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: So congratulations to Stuart Young, congratulations to the UNC in advance for putting somebody new there.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: And, as I look at this, right we're congratulating people and I want to congratulate a young fella by the name of Joshua Regrello, because I wasn't paying attention to nothing was going on in Trinidad, but me and my sister Stacey, while we're out there, we properly well enjoy following Joshua Regrello playing pan for 31 hours.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Salute to him.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: New world record for playing pan for the longest.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: I want to tell you something, right, I would have been vexed from hour two if I had to do anything I had to do.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: For two hours I've been trying to record this podcast and when it's time to start I was like, oh god, boy, wait, I don't talk about it.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: I feel now I gotta get myself in that gear to be able to talk.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: When I started watch the clock now.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: I said, good now, but I finished before.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine paying that for 31 hours.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: What, even more impressive, is so similar to what I say about nicole diagrafin.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Somehow, joshua, you know how much of a mean person I would be.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: After about six hours of that number one, my shirt would be off.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Number two don't talk to me, don't tell me nothing.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: I vex with the.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: I vex with the world.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: I vex with the world.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Everything got me annoyed at that point in time when they put on the next song.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: I've had them kick down their laptop.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: I vex with the judges.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know, not just the energy that Joshua Grelo had to do that right, but how he managed to remain so pleasant.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: He's smiling and vibing.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: And thanks, thanks to all the artists who, I mean the good bad talkie mic man and them and the mic man and them was really I mean it's not the best, you know, I mean, but it's just to have somebody there with you hype, and he needed that.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: You know he needs somebody to hype him up.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: I was so glad to see so many people stand up with him and stand up beside him.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, while he was able to accomplish that and and and I don't know, my mother I think she's telling me, right, not always used to tell me, but I think she, she started to realize that somewhere along the line she make her son who started to get impatient with life, you know, I mean, when things ain't going my way, I started to say boy, listen, I think, and this taking real long, and that I don't know why, I know when I end up.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: So you know, but I used to talk to her about them things and she, she, she starts saying divine timing, right, she, she started telling me this thing boy is in divine timing when I'm trying to build a house.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: And I tell you, when I was building a house, I told her at one point in time I say you know all I go have in this life.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: I always, as a young fellow, used to watch houses, right when people building house, and I used to watch a, a, a house at the corner I think it's brunton road and patner street.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know street name in st james, I don't shoot names nowhere, but I always used to watch this house unfinished and that always used to bother me.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: You see, when house not plaster and it's kind of ceiling and the thing exposed at it, I don't know, for some reason, I always used to bother me.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: You see, when house not plaster and it has no ceiling and the thing exposed, I don't know, for some reason, I always used to stand out to my I.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: I rather build a house half the size if it plastered up, nice and it finished inside and everything looking good and nice lighting and nice content up.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: I prefer that right.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: And while I was building my house I started to get so much hell.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: I had money for this.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: I had money for that one, I think, the building fund.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: You know how much of time I go on that foundation and I say, boy, I go and end up as one of them people with that foundation alone.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: But my listen, judge nothing.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: But when you listen, when you judge people, it's your judgment you're facing here.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: So when the roof going up, I say, oh god, I go and end up pass one of them, people with my ceiling exposed, as if any of them, things matter, right, I mean, what the hell is this boy?
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: It's divine timing.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: It's divine timing.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Everything has happened.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: So said, so done.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: Thing has happened.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: It's time and you just forget all the woes and the worries.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: You had right.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: So when I'm watching Joshua Grelo doing this and I'm thinking I just do an episode for about two hours.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: That mean I he play pan for 16 episodes long, which means I have to do quarter the year.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: I wonder if I could do a podcast um, world record boy, because I mean a few people could talk like me, you know.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: I mean if I could do a joshua grelo like podcast marathon and just do about 24 hours with a talk.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: All you come, all you come and visit me, all you come and talk to me.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: But when, when you see this idea, divine timing.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know that joshua grelo could have picked a better time to do this.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: Where the country looking for hope.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: If, if there was a, if there was a signal to any of the would be political leaders or they would be um government leaders at this point in time, or mps, or ministers, or business leaders, or leaders in religion, or even even the criminals you could see that the country, in a state where looking for hope because this little youth man have a such an infectious personality, just he just have a vibe, he have energy, and him doing this pan marathon brings so much inspiration that I had all who abroad we I ain't no wifi, you know and I wanted to turn on roaming, but I wanted to see it.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: It was almost like not saying that the two things are equal.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: But when Lara was making three something runs, you can't leave it alone.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: You had to watch it.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: You had to see, oh damn boy, what a match you make.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: You want to be a part of it.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: But I remember I was in my grandmother's bed watching the thing.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: I was sleeping like hell.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: In the morning when they took my grandmother, she said Corey, corey, we win.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: But I started to cry immediately out of my sleep.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't see when the name was missing first.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: I might as well go to sleep early.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: I might as well go to sleep early.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: This is what you're getting.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to go to sleep.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: So when I see Joshua Grelo do this and so much people get into it and you could be who, which race, which side of the political divide, you could be honest man, legit businessman, criminal everybody seems to rally around that.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: So I want to personally thank Joshua Grelo for taking on a task like that.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you're doing something and you feel you're doing something for yourself Because I mean, mean, it's him wanting to break a world record and thing.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: But he himself said when he come out, they tell him come out a minute, because he had times where he could pause for five minutes.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: And I'm saying they say come.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: If you see people on coffee street, you say, oh, I mean people on coffee street.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: You could see he and all didn't expect it to be as big as it was, was inspiration.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: So I feel you're doing for yourself.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: All you could do in this life is of service, you know, and uh, grateful for people who pass through like um, voice and then pass.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: I was hoping voice and then pass.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Because I say when I see 26 hours and thing, I say boy, this man need that energy.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: He needs somebody to lift up his energy and it was hard for them who passed through to, because by the time he played that length of time, I mean it hard to keep up with the pace with his song and the tempo of the song playing.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Most of the songs he was playing were slower than he would usually play songs.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he had some bad notes and a bad chord coming, but plenty of artist passion and stick with him and that is inspiring to see and him pursuing that when he pursued that had to be divine timing, just to remind us of how great this country is.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: And when you're talking about divine timing, this is also divine timing.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: No more divine timing than this.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: My son was a gentle soul.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: He never do nobody nothing.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: Then a man shout woman.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: The son went on a banging In a stolen vehicle.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: Why you feel the next team swing back.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: The boy killed three people Speeding off at the scene.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: He went on.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: A little girl get bounce down.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: Yet still she saying heads have to roll.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: For the ones who did she suck soul.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: If you're hearing this for the first time, or where you listen properly, you know the name of the artist is Squeezy Rankin.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: You know him.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: If you even feel you don't know him, squeezy rankin been around for a long, long time.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: He sing dancehall, he sing soaker, he sing ragas, he sing gangster thing, he sing good thing, he sing uplifting thing.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: Squeezy rankin a song.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: You see him in tongue in trinity mall, wherever selling his cds on them.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: If you see squeezy today, buy something off him, because this song is divine timing.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Now we're listening to the lyrics carefully and what is he saying?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Right, the state of the country right now and where we are it.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: How a man could come up with this and release this in a time like this, with words that's so potent and that everybody could relate to in a different way, could only be divine timing my son was a good boy.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: Words of a mother as he's laying down on the asphalt, bleeding out on the corner, she's calling on Jesus' name, asking why did they kill him?
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: My son was a gentle soul.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: He never do nobody nothing.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: Then a man shout woman.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: The son went on a banging in a stolen vehicle.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: Why you feel?
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: The next team swing back.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: The boy kill three people Speeding off at the scene.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: He went on.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: A little girl get bounce down.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: Yet still she saying heads have to roll For the ones who take she's up to roll.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: Mama, who good son Now get gunned down.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: Mama who good son Now get gunned down.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: And now she crying out for justice For she son who was a killer.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: Justice, a little notorious gangster Justice.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: This boy was killing people.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: They used to call him doctor.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: Fushisono was a killer Justice.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: A little notorious gangster Justice.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: This boy was killing people.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: They used to call him Dr Evil.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: Justice For the real headbanger.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 5: Justice For the number one shutter Justice.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: They say when he ride he never stick.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: They used to call him the Trinitronwick.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: Mama, good, good son now get gone now.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: Mama, good, good son, now get gone now.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: As she holds her son, lifeless body, crying out in pain.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: I hear a lady in the background shouting woman, you ain't have no shame.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: And the same boy who used to cuss you, treat you like a dog and hit you.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: Now you're here with tears in your eyes Crying for this ungrateful child.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: He was a person in the community.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: He used to advantage everybody.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: He used to glad when mountain come why he want to tax all people.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: The money he beat up he child, mother, shoot behind he big brother.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: The way you feeling now.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: You know how much other people leave.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: He feel so.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: Mama good, good son, now get gunned down.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: Mama good, good son, now get gunned down.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: And now she crying out for justice For the community.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 5: Terrorists, number one, extortionist.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: And if nobody in, pay him no tax.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: He kidnap the family and burn down the business.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: For somebody so evil.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: Pay him no tax.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: He kidnapped the family and burned down the business.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: Justice For somebody so evil.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 5: Justice.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, you said distressed people, but all you're seeing is the hole in his face, not the load that the rat has in his waist.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: And Mama good, good son.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: No, mama good good son, mama, good good son, now get gone now.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: He had a mind full of bitterness.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: He had a heart full of hate.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: But now you're crying out your liver string Like this boy was a saint.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: We do expect you to smile and be happy.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: After all, you is your mother.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: But how much are the mother's sons?
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: Your son, barry.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: Now you're seeing who is calmer.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: You never used to show no concern when they tell you the boy out of control.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: You even act like you never know.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: Your last child mother is 14 years old.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: When everybody complaining they say they envy and jealous him, you didn't want to talk to him since he's small.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: Now nobody don't want to hear.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: You was your ball.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: Mama good, good son, now get gunned down.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: Mama good, good son, now get gunned down.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: And now she crying out for justice To the people on the corner.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: Justice All over social media Justice.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: You see the man and them who kill your son.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: You wish the police could gun all of them down.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: Justice For a real pedophile, justice who victimized people and take your child.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: Justice.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: So don't vex.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: Now you're trying to mourn and everybody happy that the big pest gone.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: Mama, good, good son.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: Mama good, good son.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: Mama good, good son, now get gone.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: Now my son was a good boy the words of a mother, powerful, as it were, almost no matter what topic he's singing on.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: If you ever see Squeezie Rankin face, if he had a talk and make a point, he's a very, he's an intense guy, but that is an intense song and I see the powers that be.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: I was saying the other day, right, that I don't know nothing more than Soca Mafia.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there was Soca Mafia or not, but I did see the great Tony Chowlin on Chinese Laundry make a video talking about how long he knows Squeezy and asking everybody to share this song and begging Squeezy to go in Skinner Park.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: Right, and I shouldn't say this, but I'll say it anyway.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: Right, me don't know if that was Okamafia, but and this song would have get big anyway.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: But when you see Chinese Laundry share a song and then the whole artist will and everybody pick it up and start to share it too, again, divine timing, right, you're not blaming no, soca mafia is divine time.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: But here are the blessings of the people who need the blessings for the song.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: And I agree with chinese laundry 100 in that I cannot imagine a song like this in skinner park, whatever it takes for him to enter soca mona, like, like again.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: The competition thing is such a tricky thing to me, right, because it's almost like the soca monarch or, sorry, calypso monarch or any.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: Titles tend to immortalize songs and immortalize people, and they have some artists in my mind who mean so much to me that I want them to win the prize because of who they are, just so that their name could go down in the history books.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: So, whoever decides to do their podcast in 2070-something or whatever version of our media I don't know if you're bringing people back alive somebody say, hey, go and bring back Squeezy.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: He won Calypso Monarch in 2025 when Stuart Young was prime minister.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: That's important to me.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Like I remember when the first time I hear Ultimate Rejects sing the City Go Bound Down with Jammin' Still, it's almost like immediately.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: It's like what the hell is this?
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: This cannot be stopped at this point in time.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: It didn't matter what else come for.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: The song was just too big and that was a song where they overdo it.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: How much they play that song, they, and that was a song where they overdo it.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: How much they play that song.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: They kill it.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: And boy, nothing couldn't stop it.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: Boy, all the way down to carnival monday.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing marshall crossing the stage with his now wife carnival tuesday, singing with jamming.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: Still, that's how powerful this song was.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: Right and a part of me wanted them to enter the soca monarch or enter everything.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Because I want to see maximus dan magadan Magadan.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: I want to see his name go down as a soccer monarch winner, as a fan of the artist right and like no, they have that same feeling with this song that Squeezy Rankin sing no, no, calypso Monarch and them thing is a different ball game.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: Because I see, and who the people name Calypso nwcc, what would I stand for?
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: National action cultural committee has announced the top 20 calypsos for 2024 which were chosen by its panel of judges.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: Right and in the in the in the top 20 calypsos for 2024, I would just, I would just pull out some calypsos from it.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Right, because they have things like inventor from ulotunji, great, great song.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Nadia Batson, market how I Live In by Farmer Nappy.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: More again I've seen here McAltasia DNA.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: That was one to stop for Carnival.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: Me and Carnival have a contract.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: Everybody go, ah like nail and put up a that bound to be there Along with some Calypso, me and him.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: I told, along with some Calypso.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: I mean here at all all the way is Calypso from Bali and them kind of thing.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: Me, you know Bali had a song and I love Bali.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: But when I go back to some of the Calypsos that were there on the night of or on the day and night of Calypso Fiesta in Skinner Park some of them standing out right Because of course, marshall montano win the competition, solar calypso, uh, but they have a few songs here that was there that men and him make the final.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: Respect the tribe by stacy sobers I can't remember if she had made the finals or not, but great, great song.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: Uh, karen asha is there with poverty and no excuse.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: I think she was second in the calypso monarch and uh, first investigation by kurt allen was low down on the list of people who came down.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: You know, to have one of the top 20 calypsos of the year, but on the competition night you could be so far behind the pace.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: Or even trinidad is not a real place by bruce hammond, who I like a lot.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: Bruce hammond, uh, you need, you need a bruce hammond.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: You know br Bruce Hammond.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: You know Bruce Hammond have a different style.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: He quick on social media.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: Everything come out on social media.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: He have a song remix for that.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: He different, you know.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: But this song, trinidad, is not a real place, such a skinner park song.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: I never even make it to the savannah.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: But the judging on the day and the night because of course under squeezy ranking comments I've seen people saying Calypso monarch and if they ain't winning teeth, I was like I don't know.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: We can man still debating whether or not marshall montano song is a good song or not and I, I mean, I think it's a.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: It's a great song.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: But I feel like poverty and no excuse for crime is a better song.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like first investigation is a better calypso.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: But um, you're not, you're getting, you're not getting judged by lyrics alone, it's on delivery and performance and I don't know if anybody could have scored more performance points on marshall on the night, for sure, for in terms of presentation and on music and delivery, where I felt like marshall was a lose point because marshall is a backing track champion of the world.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: I've been here many times.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: I had to eat back my words.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: I used to say Marshall can't sing again, but Calypso Monarch can do back and track and Marshall sing and deliver every line he can.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: He was solid from beginning to end.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: He man deserve Calypso Monarch.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: The question is, can Squeezy do that?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: I'll also say that Canna saturdays are long, long.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: I think carnival is in like june, july this year.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: It long, it far, you know, I mean, and it would be interesting to see if this song have this staying power to go, but I just feel like it does.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: The song's so powerful talking.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: When he starts talking to her mother, you hear the song, the song, the song powerful.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: So I wish him squeezy ranking all best.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: I appreciate all the artists and people like Chinese Laundry, who take a minute to talk about the song and it feels like, again, divine timing.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: It feels so similar to that movement that Joshua Greger created by Grand Pippin for 31 hours.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: I hope Squeezy do more and more and get the promotion he needs for the song so that it could last the time, because this is not the kind of song you could play in fet and thing you gotta listen to 95.5, sweet 100 and then you might hear it.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: But and I hope you get it back in.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean from the the challenges to, since marshall shared his song and charlotte non-sell the song and all those people who were involved in marshall win last year.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: I hope that only in just sharing the song, go and help him.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: Go and help him, help him put the presentation together, rehearse with him, help him to deliver the way you could.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: You know if the song's so meaningful, as chinese laundry was saying, and so powerful and you have the financial backing and the experience and you creating the biggest stages and kind of all and thing, do do more fame than just share the song.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: Go, bring him on the stages, help him rehearse, help him do the presentation, get all them little children, you see that little theater, all they create last year in Skinner Park and in the Savannah.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: Go and help him create them things again and help him seal up the win.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: Because that song, similar to me, to Kurt Allen, saying First Investigation, first Investigation, was too important a song to just fade out for me.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: And this song from squeezy, too important to just fade out on more counts than just the, than the first investigation by kurt allen, because the vibe and the energy of the song that squeezy put out here have a better chance of capturing the youth in terms of the melody and the structure and the production of the song than it would have had for lyrics just as potent in first investigation of poverty and no excuse for crime.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: But them songs so much calypso-y that I don't know that any youth say not to listen to karin ashe when she's saying no excuse.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: But the people who we need to hear this message the most more likely to relate to and to listen to squeezy.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: So if all this serious about thing and the mafia take all his divine timing, will you go and help?
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: Call him?
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: Don't just don't just put that on facebook and say squeezy, if you're hearing me, tell me and know him from since you were small.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: Go by trinity mall, see if you see him say squeeze, hey, what going on?
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: We have a plan for you.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: Me are calling in, marshall are calling in, I call it in All the people who are associated with it and help him.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: Help him with his social media and them kind of thing.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: This is what we need more of in the country.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: But great, great, great, great song, if you ask me, from Squeezy Rankin.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: Divine timing, we needed that right.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: And as we go to new beginnings, new soccer contest shows disregard for culture.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: The former organizer of the international soca monarch caribbean prestige holdings has described the government's move to create a new international soca competition in 2025 with new partners are showing disregard for culture.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: So we back to this thing again where I tell you listen, hey, what going on right, I done close to my time up for the for the thing and I'll point a clock on myself to start to end the time now when you see how they deal with these people.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: I doing this thing must be a 200 episode with 52 things.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: It's nearly four years now I'm here doing this right, and almost to the day.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Every year I had to come here and talk about Soka Monarch and when they're coming back and that's to show you the impact of that Soka Monarch competition.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: But I mean, how much years will you come and have this debate about Soka Monarch and whether it's good not only talking about putting back this thing and having a competition that replacing it back by the ministry of culture.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: And we just saw.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: We just saw what happened with Vibe Scartel in Freedom Street right in Jamaica.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: Freedom Street ended up being one of the biggest concerts ever to be held at the office in National Stadium in Jamaica and Marshall sorry Vibe Scartel was there plenty doubts about whether he could make it and Grave Disease and he Rusty and them kind of thing.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: Boy Rusty he was, because I never see somebody forget lyrics while it, but while it, while it, and he's so entertaining that even though he forget the lyrics, he laughing it's all for the crowd.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: He's like boy.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: Listen, tell it, my life is a open book.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: I can't remember that song at all.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: Bounty killer, come on and try to sing a song with him and it's the same thing.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: It's like boy I can't remember.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: I can't remember that's no killer, sorry.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: So the reality is, the reality is that Cartel is back.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: He will be here kind of all Friday and we still talking about that Socon Bonac and what will compete with it and what wouldn't compete, and if it is like the old people used to say they're spinning top in mud, well, we see old people now they're spinning top in mud.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: It's like old people now they're spinning top in mud.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: It's like the same thing over and over.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: And now the the man who was hosting it said that this ain't good at all and the Ministry of Culture looking for this and that, and it's like you know, kattel, find a way in that show to include veterans and things like Bounty Killer and them to come and perform, perform with him and the people who introduce him and to include his peers, who we do songs with over the years, but also to have a good little injection or a youth to any show.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: And it's so important that you find that balance between that.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: And I feel like if we we at a junction now where so, come on, work some time it ain't work, some time it's.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: You know, you're just putting back money into this thing over and over, and now the is the's responsibility to bring it back as usual.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: So a good way to make money is like the gypsy approach.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean Go and be the president or something or another, get funding for that and then go and put on a show.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: It's not designed to enhance the culture, build up the culture, progress and show the youth or showcase them or create a space for the elders.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: It's really not designed to do much.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: It just again seems to be another way to get public funds into private pockets.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: But again, as I always say, carnival better when Benjai here, and it just reminds me of the wise words of Ben J Over and over feather for the same thing.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: I want to take a push back before I write this song, cause every time I record like something going wrong.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: It's like I'm on Zoolet, a computer showdown.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: But every year I hear in the same repetition I fed up with the same thing over and over.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: Fed up with the same thing over and over.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: Fed up with the same thing over and over.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: Fed up with the same thing over and over, over and over, over and over.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: Everybody same thing, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hey, you're leaving only there for the weekend.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: Once we're in a Benjai kind of mood, I have a little few Benjai to leave only with and we're out for the week.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: Too much thing to talk about.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like I ain't recorded so long that list too long to go on.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: Big things happen in the country, so we had to focus on them.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Things right, but we had to circle back to the soccer warriors and how they do.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: We had to focus back.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: I had to see some of the thing that we were planning to talk about.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: 35 Samson.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: You know we go link back up.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: You know, if you're sure one thing, you could get this podcast over and over.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: But for now let me just focus on some Jai, I'm not going home, no way, I'll go stay.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: Let me stay, cause I is a fetter.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: I is a fetter and I have some policies about Carnival.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: I try my best not to be fettered in January.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: You see a two salary Carnival.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: It could mash up the next ten months of the year.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: Cause I am a fetter, I'm swanky now and you see a two-salary carnival.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: It could mash up the next 10 months of the year.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: Tell them the vibes you're done when I am wrong.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: The Fet knows that cannibalism, cannibalism, cos I is a Feta, cos I is a Feta, cos I is a Feta, cos I is a Feta, cos I is a Feta, cos I is a.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 3: Feta.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: Cos I is a Feta.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling like Fet Ticket could buy, right.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: I'm watching like FET ticket could buy right.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: I'm watching the FET calendar.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: I look all about to see which part I could get.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: Fet calendar.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: I always remember the first time I saw this girl travel with Zoe.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: She was doing a podcast and doing an interview saying, like Carnival is great but, like for foreigners, there's this big inside secret.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: Everybody know where to get tickets.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: Like you don't know who's who and they have no one place.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: That's telling you everywhere.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: But thanks to place.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Like I don't need tickets.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: Now I could see what fits this weekend and, um, to tell you the truth, right, I don't like to fit in january.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: Now, I remember the days of fire fit.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: I see omari ashby was talking about this on his page with relation to what sunny bling was talking about, with artists asking people to sing song, and you know the season knows that.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: We know the song good.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: Yet, and one of the things I used to enjoy about firefet is going to fet to hear songs for the first time, because, of course, them days it I know.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: Um it I know I mean radio there, but radio ain't really doing a soaker switch like that january you're still here and dance all on them thing right, and there's no streaming on youtube to go and find music that you want, because now you can just put in 2025 soca and get your fill right.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: Then I'm mixes online already for new soca, but back then you're depending on fets a lot to get the music right, you know I mean.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: So when you go fire fet or some of the earlier fets in the season, soca in moko w1, you're going to hear music for the first time.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: An artist used to build a song like.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: I always remember seeing artists on stage with song in the beginning of the season and watching them like all right, I don't know if I know, I know if traffic have it this year, and then by the time customs and them thing come down in the last day you're sweating when them song come on.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean I remember super blue doing it several times when man come out and say like the same song as last year and then by the time man on the ground, I remember I was saying and the people say what nonsense is this?
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: And then boy man sweating kind of, while Sunday in Feth I will have them in a vice grip.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: And when you look at the early Feth in the season and artists not really building their songs, artists depending more on social media to build a song, you know the first time I saw it was with mr killer from grenada, right when he said pick up something to me.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: That song get big.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: After video went viral with people picking up barrier and running and thing.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: The song was out already.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: But when people see how crazy people get to that in grenada and that song starts to pick up our energy from then.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: So men, men more focused on the digital marketing campaign than they, than their face to face and billing the song and them kind of thing.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: But again, when you have somebody like ben jai, who the, and and musics musics like those, come out our song to close the episode with where that song is going to cost me some fat ticket.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: You know I mean that song is going to cost me fat ticket.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: Guys, the more I hear them song is, the more my money jumping out.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: See you next time I come out to play Free up.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: No man, let me do it, leave me, let me do it.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: No man, let me do it now, free up, leave me, let me do it now, free up.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: No man, let me do it now, free up, leave me, let me do it.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: No man, no man.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: I fed up at this thing.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, you missed a man, you in uniform, a toy in your hand.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: Here is none.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: No court here, station here.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: It is a fact.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: I come telling now.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: I'm telling now I party until it rains.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: I dress up in my red, white and black.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: I don't care what nobody says, every carnival of the day Blasting, all artists and only my spines, them say I'm a downer.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, look, look.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: And they like how Chini does Cook, cook, cook, cook, cook.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 3: And they like to hear Chini talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: And they like Chini woman walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk walk, walk, walk and we make good company and we make good company.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: I was squeezing to remember what Benjai did here and we make good company, but I have Ben Jai to hang for that.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: Up to today, though, ben Jai come out of the office, I can't see Johnny Walker and just bathe down himself that was the year he do that and just bathe down himself with rum for the whole song and wine and do one little flag girl wave.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: Come on, man, ben Jai, man, you were supposed to take them there.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: But to show you the man greatness, right the very year after, after they say they rub Benjai and them, kind of thing.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Trini, I can't remember what song he came out with, what the hell here, what let's come up.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: But whatever it is, he beat down this other rum.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: We was giving it a thing.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: It could not be beat that year, but there's no better way to put it than this.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: There's a response to that?
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: Right that song?
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: Right, the first lines in that song?
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: Because the name of the song is People's Champion.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: Right they first lines in that song?
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: Because the name of the song is People's Champion.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: Right, you say on paper I'm second, but I'm the people's number one because you say I'm second in that competition.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: Right, I want you to listen to the first couple.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: Find that performance with Benjai bathing himself in the rum, and you're going to realize that the first few lines in this song is really Benjai describing his performance in Tuka Manakda here.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: Listen good.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: That is what he do on his stage.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: He face down wet with rum.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: He back down wet.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: He chest down wet.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: He alter breath.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: He pelting waist Because that's all he do.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: He dunk himself in rum and wine done wet his chest done wet.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: He out of breath.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: He pelting waste because all he do bathe down himself in rum and wine.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: See you next time.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: All drinks in the sky, cause the fans, they love me and the show that love will simmer, simmer, simmer, simmer.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: The people call it Benjamin, so the world will tune again.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: The people call it Benjamin, so the world will tune again.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 3: Everybody done wet, we just done wet.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: We back, done wet, we out of breath.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 3: See the world for tune again.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: I don't yet, we can't run yet.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 3: They say, hey, benji, just don't have enough.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: I tell them that I only do this out of love Because I love my country bad.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 3: I represent for the soca hard.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 3: I bring every cannibal Benji on the scene when people throw me parties so they don't have to study.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: Well, who is that?
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: Somebody to come and trash it up?
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows that it is my duty, duty and you just have to call me and we gonna mash up the place.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: We give people that say, ah, people calling Benjamin To the one that you negate.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: People calling Benjamin To the one that you negate, na na na na na Look everybody done wet, we just done wet, thank you, everything done set.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nice at training where he do the wetting down himself.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: But find it for me.
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: If anybody find it, send it to me too.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: I can't remember what year it is.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: He do that and bathe down himself in the room where he had him to hang in his stadium there to win the soccer match.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: Now I want to get to you.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: I want to leave you with a song.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: Right, this is a song that cost me a lot of FET tickets, because every time because Kes and that Cucuti really have a sweetness pause that very, very, very hard to match, right, that very hard to match.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: But you see, this young youth, we're talking about him since the pandemic, where it was just he and a mic man and a vibe, right, and an energy.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: And I kept saying the chanting thing good, and he's very, very good at that.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: But I just wanted him to get songs, full song, where people could connect with and relate to, and then it could be forever.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: Music, because if you notice a lot of the way they point out, music now it's, it's microwaves, you know what I mean it it it have a vibe, it have an energy.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: And then, if you go around and it asks people well, what young brother sing?
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: Many people can't really tell you what they sing, outgrow the music and he has himself outgrown that and left behind.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: But whoever handling this youth and this youth's ambition boy, listen, he is an admirable fellow.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: This youth is a youth I look up to a lot.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: I don't like him right now because he costs him.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: I have no budget for FET right now, but I feel this weekend are outside and this is the reason right.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: She said.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: She said.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: She said what are you doing?
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: You don't have to, you don't have to.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: She said take it easy, I will do the work.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: You don't have to, you don't have to.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: And then she bubble and she bubble and she bubble and whine.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: Push back Is the greatest man of Push back.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: Roll your ears and bend over.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: Push back.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, miss Lady.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: She bubble and she bubble and she bubble and whine.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: Push back, give me the greatest man of Thank you.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: I said cater to me.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: She said just relax and let me give you the thing.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, girl, I want to give you the thing.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: She said take it easy, I will do the work.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: You don't have to Wind up yourself.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: You don't have to Wind up yourself.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: She said take it easy, I will do.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: The man says he's the greatest Ben Over.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: Let me read something for you before I go.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: Full-blown strikes gold.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: With Big Link's rhythm, local songwriting production duo Full-Blown Entertainment, kevon and Corey Hart it must have a Corey in the mix.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: They've struck gold once again with this time with a big links rhythm featuring songs from themselves Marshall, montano, kes and Young Brother.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: It's safe to say they are in good spirits as they continue to dominate Trinidad's airwaves.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: Their catalog includes a long list of hits from Montano alone.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: They wrote Fog Like A Boss, junction, vibes Garden, epic, butler Rum, mr Fed, take it Slow, among others.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: They've also collaborated with artists such as Kes, with People Falling Dirty, flex, mental Day, cohen, dubois, too Real, nessa Preppy, how Di Thing Go, voice, cheers To Life.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: In addition to their extensive songwriting portfolio, full Blown boasts five.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: So Come On titles and one road match victory.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: I could get all your next little thing too from this.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: Well, if you say yes, yeah, oh boy.
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, I would never tell a lie to you, because I believe in the truth and I just want you next time One, two it is I'll be there for you with anything you're facing.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 4: I'll be your sunlight when it's raining, stay together and we go in places.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll be by your side, no matter the case.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 4: We have a one-way ticket to greatness.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 4: Greatness, you're not the one to lie, because I believe in the truth and I just want to live good.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want no dirty secrets Fighting me and you, hey, hey, what?
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: Have a good week, stay safe in the SOE School, open back, watch your roads, be careful and let me enjoy the season.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: I feel from this weekend outside I only wanna go unfettered.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: And let me get to the truth Starting in January is dangerous territory, so let me go stay with me, right, so let me keep.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: And here is dangerous territory, so, oli, go stay with me, right, oli?
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: I'll keep Oli updated.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I just want to let you know too, that them two youth men, right by Corey and Kevin Hart, write all this song on this rhythm, right, that is greatness, right.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: But I will see you, oli, early next week.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: Enjoy it, we'll be safe Bye.