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Behind The Songs: Music Trivia & Backstories with Carl Wiser of Songfacts [Episode 222] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: That's a geyser interesting, interesting, man, It's provocative.
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  Speaker 1: This episode we have the owner of the song Facts website,
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  Speaker 1: Carl Weiser. If you love classic rock trivia and love
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  Speaker 1: finding out stories behind your favorite classic rock songs and bands,
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  Speaker 1: you probably know about the website songfacts dot com. Song
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  Speaker 1: Facts is a music oriented website that gives you the
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  Speaker 1: stories behind the songs and lyrics, how and when they
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  Speaker 1: were recorded, and so much more. You can search by
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  Speaker 1: category like songs about cars, songs inspired by movies, songs
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  Speaker 1: inspired by the works of Shakespeare. The list goes on
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  Speaker 1: and on. It also has a featured quiz Today's Top
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  Speaker 1: ten Facts artists, lyrics and categories, and of this day
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  Speaker 1: music count. Song Facts also features exclusive articles and interviews.
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  Speaker 1: The journalists who work for the site have interviewed thousands
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  Speaker 1: of artists and songwriters to get the facts behind the songs,
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  Speaker 1: among them Greg Prado, who has been on the Book
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  Speaker 1: Done podcast many times. The site was launched back in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine by Carl Weiser, Connecticut rock DJ. It's
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  Speaker 1: one of my original favorite music info sites and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not alone. In two thousand and two, it was chosen
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  Speaker 1: as a Yahoo Pick. The August two thousand and four
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  Speaker 1: issue of Men's Journal listed song Facts as one of
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  Speaker 1: the one hundred best websites for guys. USA Weekend has
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  Speaker 1: praise it as a virtual behind the music. Reached out
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  Speaker 1: to Carl to tell us more about the website, some
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  Speaker 1: of his favorite stories he's found for the site, what
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  Speaker 1: his favorite books on rock are ones he'd love to
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  Speaker 1: be written but haven't yet. A whole lot more so,
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  Speaker 1: let's get down to the facts and talk song Facts
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  Speaker 1: with Carl Weiser. Carl, welcome to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Eric, it is great to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I should say welcome back kind of short because you
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  Speaker 1: were on a previous podcast of mine.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't have the visual. Now you have
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful Was that an Oletro voice microphone? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we have come a long way since we last.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we use it in radio. That's the kind we
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  Speaker 2: used to have. Yeah, right there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And for those listening, we were both radio guys
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  Speaker 1: and small world Connecticut radio guys, which had no idea
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  Speaker 1: when I was on your website like a million times
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  Speaker 1: over the years, and then somehow found that out. I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember how, but I think maybe I read an
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  Speaker 1: article about it. But anyway, here we are. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: before we get to the song facts website, tell us
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  Speaker 1: about yourself. Who is Carl Weiser?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I was a disc jockey, as you know. For
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  Speaker 2: many years. I was at WHCN rock station in Hartford, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 2: and I started typing all this song information into my
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  Speaker 2: little Mac power book so I could use it on
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  Speaker 2: the air really quickly. It was like nineteen ninety seven,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight when this is going on. So I'd
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  Speaker 2: be able to tell you anything you wanted to know
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  Speaker 2: about the song, and I could do it in the
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  Speaker 2: little mic breaks. That was kind of my thing, And
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  Speaker 2: listeners really loved that stuff. They really enjoyed hearing the
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  Speaker 2: stories behind the songs, and then in nineteen ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: I turned it into a website. Just put it online,
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  Speaker 2: made it a little easier. Lots of disc jockeys contributed
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  Speaker 2: to it, and it got pretty big, and then we
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  Speaker 2: ended up with millions and millions of users. A few
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  Speaker 2: years later, it got a lot of press. But it
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  Speaker 2: was one of these very early websites that started out
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  Speaker 2: as a labor of love, and this became something much bigger.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been fascinated with finding out everything I can
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  Speaker 1: about songs, bands, artists since I was about like sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: maybe when I heard a DJ we both know lych.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He used to talk about the songs. He'd set
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  Speaker 1: up the song and give informations, trivia and all that,
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  Speaker 1: and so I heard him, and then I got the
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  Speaker 1: Billboard book it's called Movers and Shakers, which was packed
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  Speaker 1: with all of that stuff. Chronologically. I still have it here,
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  Speaker 1: still have the copy. It's hanging on. I had to
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  Speaker 1: tape up the binders, but I used to bring that
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  Speaker 1: with me to the radio station that came out I
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  Speaker 1: think ninety one. When did you start getting interested in
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  Speaker 1: finding out more about bands and artists and all this trivia.
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  Speaker 2: When I started doing a show called Breakfast with the Beatles.
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  Speaker 2: I did it on Saturday mornings on WHCN, and the
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  Speaker 2: Beatles just had such a rich history and there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of material about them, and we had in
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  Speaker 2: WHCN we had all these books and materials, old interviews
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. So it would take me a little while
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  Speaker 2: to dig this stuff up as I played the Beatles songs,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of them are pretty short songs, you know,
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  Speaker 2: two three minutes long, So in order to be able
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  Speaker 2: to access that information quickly, that's when I started putting
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  Speaker 2: in to a database. And then I started branching out
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  Speaker 2: into lots of other songs as well. And that's when
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  Speaker 2: I really got into it, when I started pulling all
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  Speaker 2: these liner notes. So, I mean, imagine what a treasure
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  Speaker 2: trove this rock station with these incredible liner notes and
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  Speaker 2: all these old interviews. It was just wonderful. So I
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  Speaker 2: really enjoyed doing that.
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  Speaker 1: It does bring the songs back to life, especially if
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  Speaker 1: it's a song you've heard a lot, you learn something
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  Speaker 1: about it, you listen to that song a whole different way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, it was a lot of fun. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: you sometimes you play a song over and over, like
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  Speaker 2: every breath you take by the police, and it's only
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  Speaker 2: like on the one hundredth listen that you realize, hey,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is not a love song. This
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  Speaker 2: guy's like a stalker. What's going on? And then you
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  Speaker 2: dig a little deeper into it and then you talk
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  Speaker 2: about that on the air and it's it's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: So talk about the process as far as getting the
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  Speaker 1: information on your site. For your site, how much of
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  Speaker 1: it do you find out? How much of it comes
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  Speaker 1: to you from outside sources.
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  Speaker 2: We've done hundreds of songwriter interviews, and that came a
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  Speaker 2: few years after we launched the site, because most of
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  Speaker 2: it originally was from books and liner notes and interviews.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of radio people contributed to this. There were
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  Speaker 2: like promotional CDs that artists used to come out with,
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  Speaker 2: like if the Rolling Stones had a new album, they
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  Speaker 2: would send out interview CDs to radio stations that would
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  Speaker 2: have Mick and Keith talking about the songs and how
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  Speaker 2: they came together. And we'd used that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: so it was stuff that you couldn't get unless you
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  Speaker 2: were in the industry. So we put a lot of
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  Speaker 2: ass stuff together and these days, many times the artists
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  Speaker 2: will post on social media all about the song when
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  Speaker 2: they released the song. So we have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that to work with now. But that's a relatively new phenomenon.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't much of the artists actually talking about the
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  Speaker 2: songs back in the day. That's kind of relatively new
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  Speaker 2: that when Taylor Swift comes out with the song, she
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  Speaker 2: immediately tells the story behind it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. Books are a great source too. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I love doing this podcast. Books have stuff that
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  Speaker 1: you'd never know. I remember I used to try to
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  Speaker 1: get the edge up on the other disc jockeys and
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  Speaker 1: find stuff that may not be information that arrives at
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  Speaker 1: the radio station daily. Try to find something, go deep.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd go to the use bookstores and look for
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  Speaker 1: anything I could find, and I would put a little
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  Speaker 1: tab on the page and that. Now it's the Internet,
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  Speaker 1: we have that, but books are still a great source
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  Speaker 1: of information. How often do you get new information? Is
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  Speaker 1: it daily? Weekly?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a constant flow. It's always coming in. And
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  Speaker 2: we have different writers as well, so we're always keeping
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  Speaker 2: an eye on different sources to find out what's going
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  Speaker 2: on with different songs. How they're being used in different media, commercials, movies,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. It's we really have a process
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  Speaker 2: for it. We've been doing this for Peace twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years now, so we have a little bit of a system.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Eric, what radio station were you on? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I was uh, let's say. I started at WPLR and
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  Speaker 1: New Haven as an intern and then went to WCCC
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  Speaker 1: in Hartford and was doing weekends and my name was
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  Speaker 1: fletch My name was Fletchka. Then I went over to
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  Speaker 1: the station based out of Farmington, but it was a
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  Speaker 1: Hartford station which would have been doing commercials for WRCH
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  Speaker 1: Light one hundred point five in ninety six five t
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  Speaker 1: C AM and FM and then they had ninety three
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  Speaker 1: seven the point at that time, I'm sure you remember.
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  Speaker 1: It was classic rock for about fifteen minutes and then
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  Speaker 1: they changed formats to dance and oldies and then they
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  Speaker 1: went and then I left that right before they went
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  Speaker 1: to all hip hop. I went out to Fairfield County
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  Speaker 1: and worked at on eighty five ninety five point one FM.
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  Speaker 1: That was for a good six seven years full time.
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  Speaker 1: I did WOW weeknights and weekends.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, quite a journey. Where'd you get Fletch.
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  Speaker 1: I it was. It was like the day before I
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  Speaker 1: was to go on the and the program director said,
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  Speaker 1: we need to come up a name for you. What
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  Speaker 1: are your favorite bands, what are your favorite movies? And
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  Speaker 1: Fletch was one of the movies that came up, and
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  Speaker 1: that was it. He goes, I like it Fletch. And
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  Speaker 1: there was a guy at college or a college radio
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  Speaker 1: station who called himself Fletch. So I was Fletch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good name.
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  Speaker 1: The Chevy Chase movie, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hilarious movie, still one of my favorites. Put it
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  Speaker 2: on the Underhills tab Oh.
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  Speaker 1: My god, yes, absolutely classic. And the exclusive interviews you
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  Speaker 1: did mention. One of the guys who writes articles for
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  Speaker 1: song Facts is Greg Prado. He's a friend of the
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  Speaker 1: book Down Rock podcast. I mean he's been on many times.
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  Speaker 1: He contributes articles now for the Van Hilla News desk
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  Speaker 1: where I work, and just a great guy, great writer.
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  Speaker 1: When did you start featuring interviews on the site with
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  Speaker 1: guys like Greg and other writers? Was that from the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning or did that happen soon after?
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  Speaker 2: I think Greg probably joined us about boys probably fifteen
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  Speaker 2: years ago. At this point, he's been with us for
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  Speaker 2: quite a while. Greg very prolific writer and really great
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  Speaker 2: with getting these interviews and hunting them down telling the
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  Speaker 2: stories behind the song like he got it right away.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of old school journalists, they didn't quite understand
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  Speaker 2: the concept of you're not just asking them about the
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  Speaker 2: show that's coming up on Saturday, or their influences or
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff that they've talked about to no end.
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  Speaker 2: We don't just want the same answers to the same
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  Speaker 2: interview they've been doing in every city. We want to
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  Speaker 2: hear the stories behind the songs. We went here the
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  Speaker 2: creative process and Greg got that. He figured out right
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  Speaker 2: away that we're going to talk about the songs. And
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  Speaker 2: the great thing about Greg what I love about that guy.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of journalists will dance around a question. Greg
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  Speaker 2: will always just come right out with, like, what's this song?
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  Speaker 2: Like I remember it was the band three eleven, and
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  Speaker 2: we really wanted to know if the song Amber was
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  Speaker 2: about his girlfriend, uh Nicole Scherzinger because he went out
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  Speaker 2: with the pussy cat doll Nicole Scherzinger, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people would have trouble asking and great is going
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  Speaker 2: to so nick is uh Is Abers about that about
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  Speaker 2: your old girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger, Right, yeah, And it's funny
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  Speaker 2: how often you get if you ask a straight question,
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  Speaker 2: you get a straight answer.
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  Speaker 1: Any Yeah, he talked about he did that Wolfgang van
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  Speaker 1: Hill and he interviewed and at that time, Wolfgang was
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  Speaker 1: just kind of sick of answering the van Halen questions,
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  Speaker 1: and Greg asked the questions and he got quick answers
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  Speaker 1: out of him. You know, you got ever to do
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  Speaker 1: have a reunion, and he just asked all the questions
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  Speaker 1: we want to know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you do it the right way, you can
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  Speaker 2: just ask and they'll you'll get an answer.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember the first interview you posted? I think
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  Speaker 1: you told me the story during the previous podcast a
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  Speaker 1: few years back.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that I ever did. Yeah, at first it was
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  Speaker 2: just me doing them. But this was back in the early.
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  Speaker 1: Years, so it was the first one you ever posted
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  Speaker 1: to the website.
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  Speaker 2: Man, Well, I remember the very first person I interviewed,
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  Speaker 2: and I had no idea what I was doing. And
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  Speaker 2: it was a singer songwriter named Janis Ian, really fantastic singer,
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  Speaker 2: song like a folk singer, and she had a song
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  Speaker 2: called at seventeen that was pretty popular, and I met
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  Speaker 2: her at one venue where she was performing. And I
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  Speaker 2: remember I started the interview, and I had a tape
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  Speaker 2: recorder because that's how we did it in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and two. And I started the recorder, I started the interview,
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  Speaker 2: and ten seconds later the tape stops. I put the
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  Speaker 2: tape in backwards. Oh, because I was such an idiot,
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea what I was doing. Eric Janison
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  Speaker 2: takes my recorder, flips the tape, puts it in hits record,
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  Speaker 2: and starts over, starts the interview again.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, it was a wonderful act of kindness
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  Speaker 2: that I never forgot. But she was the first person
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  Speaker 2: I interviewed. I do remember that booked on rock Podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be back after this. Tell me how the website
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  Speaker 1: is laid out, different features on here, spotlighted song, featured categories.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about how the websites well.
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  Speaker 2: The categories were a wonderful innovation. This was before Wikipedia.
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  Speaker 2: People forget that there was a time before Google, before
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  Speaker 2: a Wikipedia, and we had this whole idea of putting
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  Speaker 2: the songs into categories, stuff like songs with colors in
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  Speaker 2: the title, songs about breakups, all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and now it leaves you in kind of a circular
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  Speaker 2: path where if you're looking at a song, that you
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  Speaker 2: can find more songs that have these categories to them,
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  Speaker 2: and you can spend a lot of time just getting
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  Speaker 2: immersed in it, which is a lot of fun. And
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  Speaker 2: we've had other little offshoots of it as well. We
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  Speaker 2: have our own podcast that started a few years ago.
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  Speaker 2: We have a host named Stephanie Myers who does a
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  Speaker 2: really good job interviewing different songwriters and putting those on
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  Speaker 2: a pop podcast. We have a music history calendar which
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  Speaker 2: tells you everything that happened this day in music history.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of little odds and ends to it
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  Speaker 2: at this point that we've developed over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Got a featured quiz right now, the female Singers of
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  Speaker 1: the nineties quiz.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the quizzes are pretty interesting. I'm kind of a
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  Speaker 2: big music trivia guy. I used to love doing that
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  Speaker 2: when I was on the air and radio. I remember
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  Speaker 2: I did an entire air shift once. They gave me
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  Speaker 2: Almond Brothers tickets to give away, and me being me,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't just give away the tickets. I made them
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  Speaker 2: work for it. Said, all right, I got these Almand
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  Speaker 2: Brothers tickets. First person that calls me up and explains
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  Speaker 2: to me why Greg Almond didn't have to go to
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  Speaker 2: Vietnam gets these tickets because no, no, Dwayne Almand. Because
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  Speaker 2: Greg Almond shot himself in the foot right to get
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  Speaker 2: out of Vietnam. Why didn't Dwayne have to go? I
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  Speaker 2: mean I spent the whole airshift taking calls from people
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  Speaker 2: Bryan to figure out exactly why this was and what
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  Speaker 2: they and their guess and all kinds of stuff like,
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  Speaker 2: oh he was he pled insanity, he he was medically
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  Speaker 2: unable to do it, all this kind of stuff. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The real answer was because they wouldn't take the oldest
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  Speaker 2: son to Vietnam if the uh, if the younger one
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  Speaker 2: was it. But yeah, he got out of it because
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  Speaker 2: there was a rule there that they didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: kill off like the whole family. Wow if yeah, the oldest,
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  Speaker 2: if you were the oldest son, you could get a
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  Speaker 2: certain exemption.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. Springsteen is because he was pigeon toed
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  Speaker 1: I think was the reason he. I think he mentions
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  Speaker 1: it in one of his songs on the Live seventy
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  Speaker 1: five to eighty five, Right, oh yeah, they he says,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't take me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was the most controversial one is Ted Nugent,
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  Speaker 2: because Ted told this whole story about how he made
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  Speaker 2: himself appear that he was completely insane, like wet his
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  Speaker 2: pants when he showed up and acted like a lunatic
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  Speaker 2: and got out of it that way. But then later
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  Speaker 2: on he said he was making that story up just
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  Speaker 2: for fun, and that it was some other His number
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  Speaker 2: didn't get called something like that, quick, quick, Ted Nusian
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  Speaker 2: that I interviewed him, you did, okay? Yeah, And the
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  Speaker 2: first thing Ted asked me Carl, guy's got crazy entery. Carl,
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  Speaker 2: where you calling me from? Carl? I said, oh, calling
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  Speaker 2: you from Connecticut. Ted. Now keep in mind, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: out of my way to keep this not political at all.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to talk about the music. And here
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  Speaker 2: he is, Where are you called me from? Okay, this
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  Speaker 2: is a minefield. So I'm calling from Connecticut. Ted, He goes, Connecticut.
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  Speaker 2: I love Connecticut. You guys should visit America sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 2: But then we did. One told me all of you
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  Speaker 2: could throw any song at him. He tell me a
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  Speaker 2: story behind it. You fantastic stayed away from politics.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Though, I think I think Springsteen was that he's flat footed.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I think was the Springsteen fans are listening to this,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: they know I think it was flat footed anyway. Yeah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: so you have sing along songs as the featured category
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: right now. Sweet Caroline Dixie from Daniel Dicatur, Emmett. Well,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you got some Cliff Richard's Summer Holiday SOAKA the Flyer.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: There's well over fifty thousand songs in there, so you're
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: going to get some. You're gonna get some odd ones.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Well, tell tell me any stories that really stand out
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to you, like a story about a song that just
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: blew your mind, or maybe a song or an album
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that well.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I remember Brian Adams told me that, in fact, Summer
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: of sixty nine is in fact what you might think
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it is about. It's about the sixty nine sex position,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: which really surprise, like, hey, really, I was so expecting
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: them to deny that, and then it surprised me when
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: it was true. Another one that turned out not to
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: be that I thought was that there's a big hit
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: from nineteen The number one song in nineteen sixty nine
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: was not some big Jimmy Hendrix or Janis Joplin song
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: or something of great importance. It was Sugar Sugar by
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the Archies, and that song I was always convinced had
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: like a dirty, subliminal subtext to it, pour Some Sugar
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: on My Baby, like okay, yeah. So I was interviewing
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the woman who sang backup on that. Her name is
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Tony Wine, and I said said, so that song, Sugar Sugar,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: it's really it's really kind of dirty in a way,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: isn't it. And she got mad at me. It's like, no,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: it's totally clean. It's just having fun. It's give me
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: some sugar. It's like a little love song. So I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: learned that sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a def Lepper connection. When they kind
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: of sort of inspired by that song, I think.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Well, sure, that whole foursome sugar on Me line comes
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: from Sugar Sugar. Okay, yeah, except step Leppard made it
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: much more lacidious. They kept that yeah exactly, there's means
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: what I thought Sugar Sugar man.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that song took off. I'm not sure
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: maybe this is in your website, but it took off
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: at a at a strip club in Florida. They started
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: playing pour Some Sugar on Me and then the local
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: station radio station started playing it. Then the song took off,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and then the label said, oh we better release this.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a huge hit.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Bod podcasts, we'll be back after this. Well we'll waity
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: certain songs, albums, bands that you'd love to know more about.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: But there just isn't a lot out there that frustrates you.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: You wish there was more.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: The artist that I've always wanted to interview who's just
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: never can't find her. An artist named Poe Poe remember
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: from the nineties, released a couple albums and then disappeared,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And I was always really intrigued by her music and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: would love to know more about it, but can't find her.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Or I could find her, but she's not talking.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And I recognize a song.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Angry Johnny, maybe walk the Walk. There's some really interesting tunes,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: but you probably haven't heard much of her because when
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: she vanished, so did any kind of promotion. So with
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: nobody out there pushing your songs, no publisher trying to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: get airplay for them or re release anything, the music
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: kind of vanishes. It just goes away.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a quick search, and there's a website. The
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: headline what happened to Poe.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Sure, yes, I have asked that question, and I've been
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: close a few times to to get in the answer
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to that, but it hasn't happened yet.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And do you know what her real name is? I'm cheating.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure I could find out.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: But and Ann Daniel Luski, Yeah, yeah, all right. How
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: about bands that that have plenty, plenty of information? Would
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: it be the Beatles, like the most, the most that's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: out there regarding trivia stories?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Probably the Eagles. The Eagles have had so much written
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: about them as far as bands. You know, Bob Dylan's
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: another one. There is more written about Bob Dylan than
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: you would ever be able to read in a thousand lifetimes.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: But I always thought that the Eagles were a little
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: overwrought when it came to coverage versus output. They didn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: release that many albums, And boy, you heard about them
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: all the time, that fantastic band. They're wonderful. And boy
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: do I love Hotel Hellifornia because that's one of the
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: most popular songs on song facts, But my gosh, there
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: is a lot out there on the Eagles.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Not only a great song, but great trivia behind that
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: song about really what it's all about.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Layers and layers of trivia. You can go line by
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: line through that song, like The Steely Knives was, Oh yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that's a Steely Dan reference. The warm smell of kolitas.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: What the heck is that? Well, that's a that's not
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: inflammation of the colon, which is what you'll see if
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you get in the dictionary and look it up. That's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: a that's a flower. It's a Spanish word for a
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: for weed, for a bud, so it's a it's a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: marijuana reference. Now, Eric, you must be getting books constantly,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and I imagine you see some books about certain topics
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and artists and you go, oh, no, not again, not
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: another Bruce Springsteen book or something like that. What are
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: some of the ones that you feel are just way overdone?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Oh? Well, the Beatles have the most books written about
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: them that there's I regularly look on Amazon's new releases
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: list to find books that I'm interested in maybe talking
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: about on the show, And more often than not, there's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a new Beatles book out once a month, And you think,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: how much more can be written about the Beatles. But
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you there are still books out there. There's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: still stuff out there.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, now they're getting into very granular periods, like
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: here's a whole book about what the Beatles were doing
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: in September of nineteen sixty eight, or a song. Yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: did you watch the Get Back documentary?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, Oh my gosh, it was fascinating.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Really fascinating. But did it have to be eight hours long?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Oh? And there's more? Right, that was a story that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: there's tons of footage that was actually cut out of it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, well they needed to cut some more. Man,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the art of editing, like you just it was too much.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the director was what Peter?
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but boy, isn't it amazing how good
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that footage looked?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Just amazing. It looks like it's happening. Now.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do that with film. Peter jack shooting film? Yes,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Peter Jackson, okay, Man.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Well, he's known for very long movies like King Kong.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of the King franchise. His I like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but damn that that's a long movie.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: It's like The Rings right, yes, yes, oh yet, and
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I couldn't sit through that whole thing, like it's too
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: many orcs. I couldn't do it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Back to the Eagles of what There's some some cool
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: stories about what possibly or who possibly can be seen
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: inside the album cover for Hotel California. Really right, Anton
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Levy is supposedly seen on the inside. Uh. And that, well, well,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that was the thing too, was that the rumors were
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that Hotel California was it was Hell's or it was
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: about Satanic yea.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: There were a lot of very rich stories that surrounded it,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: and Don Henley did a good job of keeping that
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: fairly mysterious. But really the idea is that it seemed
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: like such a foreign place to all these guys because
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: they were all from somewhere other than California and they
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: all ended up coming there, and it's just such an
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: odd place, at least Los Angeles. So it's the idea
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: of this being like another planet when you show up
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and you really get into the underbelly of it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And Don Henley, I've heard him talk about those rumors.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: He gets pissed off. It's like you think we're going
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to be writing about.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Apparently Don Henley was to get a little prickly.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I've never interviewed him myself, but he has that he
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't suffer. Apparently, you and I get it to Eric,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: because these guys, they do get asked the same questions
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: over and over and it must get a little aggravating
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: at times. So I get it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite band?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I am the seventies soul funk kind of guy, so
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I'd probably go with like Earth Wind and Fire Cool.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, love acts like that, give.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Me the nice horns, that kind of stuff. Just absolutely
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Good transition into my favorite band, which is Van Halen,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: because they opened for Van Halen in twenty fifteen, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that was David Lee Roth's choice. He wanted them to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: open talk about what is there a good story of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: van Halen's story from your website that you really enjoy,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Like Hoffer, Teacher has some great stuff that comes to mind.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Oh hat for Teacher has all kinds of great the whole.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: The drums for one thing, Just listen to the drums
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and as you know how he got that drum sound.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: He had to use some crazy adapted drum pedal for
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that one. As far as the stories behind, like the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: lyrical stories go, David Lee Roth would sometimes kind of
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: make up different stories about the different songs, like Jump.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: He would talk about how it was inspired by a stripper,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: or he would make up a story about how he
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: saw somebody that was going to jump from a bridge.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: But he would have a little bit of fun with this.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So it's you're not always sure exactly what it's about. Panama,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: as you know, is about a car, and I thought
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: it was interesting. Eric and I were at the same
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Sammy Hagar concert not too long.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: He saw that they did Sammy did Panama and jump
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: for that And.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Did you notice that there was a He flashed an
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: image of what looked like Dave's Mercury Lowrider on stage,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: which Greg ranoff, the author of Van Hill and Rising,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: he noticed that and he posted something on Twitter about it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: But Sammy and Dave don't agree on much, but they
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: do love cars. They do like they both can't get
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: enough of those cars.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. Alex van Halen, you got to be
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: looking forward to his book coming out next month.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know he had one coming. Yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Alex van Halen's got a book called Brothers, and we
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: assume it's going to be primarily about the journey that
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: he and Edward went through from being born in a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: different country, moving here, starting up. Van Halen one of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the greatest rock bands of all time and then right
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: up till Eddie's death. So looking forward to that it
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: comes out next month.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, as you know about Van Halen, one of
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the one of the reasons that work so well with
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Dave as a lead singer was that Dave would take
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: all that oxygen that the other guys didn't want, meaning
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the media attention, any kind of interview, any kind of
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: any anything related to h people wanting something from you,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Dave would take it. Now that had the dark side
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: because he became this kind of monster as well, But
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: what that ended up happening was nobody was ever asking
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Alex what he thought. Unless you were a drummer, you'd
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: never say, hey, Alex, how do you feel about playing
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: this song? Or what do you think about playing this?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So it'll be very interesting to hear what he has
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, he hasn't spoken since Edward passed. He's just posted
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a few brief you know, I miss you, miss you
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: posts on Twitter or Instagram on the anniversary of maybe
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Eddie's birthday or his passing. But yeah, it's going to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: be interesting. Book on podcasts. We'll be back after this.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Carl Wiser the founder of song Facts, that's songfacts dot com.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: So Carl I asked you to share with us some
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: books on rock that you've read that you want to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: talk about. So I think you said you got him,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you got him stacked up there to talk about a
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: lot of great ACDC books out there. You have one
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that you're a fan of.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Have you Have you seen this one?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: It's no, that's awesome to cover for those who are
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: just listening to this episode watching it. So it's got
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the picture of Angus and it spins around in the middle.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: So what's what's the name of that book?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: This one is called High Voltage Rock and Roll and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: it's like Phil Sucklube is a terrific writer, a British writer,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I believe. But it's a coffee table style book and
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: it is chronological and it's got just amazing photos, Like
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: how did people were taking these pictures back then? It's fantastic.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It's got this is something I didn't realize. Have you
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: did you ever go to an ACDC concert?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I wish I could say I did, but I have
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: never seen ACDC live.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Same with me, well back if you saw them in
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the early nineties, you would during money talks be showered
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: with Angus bucks. Money would come down from the ceiling
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and you would be able to get yourself in Angust.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: So in this book, one of the things I like
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: is seeing what the Angus bucks look like. Oh, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: here's something else for you, Eric. What state do you
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: think is the state that told ac DC that they
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: were not allowed to fire their cannons during for those
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: about to rock?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Oh? Wow, this is a good one, boy. I'm going
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to just throw a guess out there. What so they're
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: not allowed?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah? What state would have such a stifling bureaucracy that
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: they would not allow ACDC to fire off their cannons?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know why I want to say. God,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: it's almost like I want to give one that you
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: would never think, like Philadelphia or something.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: No, it's Connecticut.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Get out of here, dude.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of stuff happened in Connecticut's Yeah, they played
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the Hartford Civic Center and they wouldn't let them fire
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: their They wouldn't let him shoot off their cannons.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: That might answer a question, because they haven't played in
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Connecticut and that might be the last time they played
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: was was that show? Because they have not been to
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Connecticut since I think the nineties, I don't think they've
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: been I think they do Boston, New York and they
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: skip right past Connecticut.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, you can kind of understand why they
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: can't fire the cannons. That's no fun. And it's also
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the same state where Jim Morrison got arrested. There's some
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: there's some history in Connecticut of rock and roll Shenanigan's
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: going on. But yeah, man, yeah, I would have loved
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to see that show. And interesting, a buddy of mine,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: one of my best friends, was at that show and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: when he was like nine years old. It was his
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: first concert and he got in the show because his
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: brother was a disc jockey named Bob Rivers, who was
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: a probably big, pretty famous disc jockey. Was a WAAF
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: for a while.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: But the way he did the he did the spoof
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: songs he did, like the weird alatype songs.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, twisted tunes. He had a gold record doing like
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: fake Christmas songs, songs like the Twelve Pains of Christmas,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he lived a few houses down from me in Branford, Connecticut.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But he and he was older than I am, and
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: he took my really good friend to ac DC and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: got him backstage all that. So my buddy's first concert
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: ever is not just an ac DC show, but you
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: also get to go backstage and meet everybody. You know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Where do you go from there? Anything else is like
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: anticlimactic after getting that experience.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bob Rivers, Yeah we hear still hear those songs
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: every Christmas. Yeah. That book came out in twenty ten.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Pearl Jam twenty from twenty eleven.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Oh that's another big coffee table book.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Let me buy Pearl Jam. Oh my goodness, Pearl Jam.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: All right, yeah, Pearl Jam. This one. What I love
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: is that it's also date by date chronological, so and
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: it's got lots and lots of photos that tell the story,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: so you can really follow along to see what's going on.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: And what's really interesting about Pearl Jam is how much
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: happened in a very compressed time frame. So from about
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety three, enough happened for easily
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: a whole career for many other bands, so much was
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: going on. And it was also interesting is how perilous
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: it was in the early years. There's one part in
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: here where Eddie Vedder is talking about doing the movie Singles.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that movie. Yeah, it was kind of
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: an early grunge type.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Movie and Bridget Fonda, Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Bridget Fondo was in it, and Matt Dylan was in it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But Pearl Jam played a fictional band in the movie
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: called Citizen d So they're in the movie performing, and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: they shot the movie before they released their first album,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and at this time, Eddie particularly was dirt. Poor Eddie
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: had moved from San Diego and he was kind of
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: taking a flyer on these guys, hoping this would work out,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and he was wondering if it was really going to
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: come together. And he explains in this book that when
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: they did the Singles movie, he felt a lot better,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: first of all, because it felt like something big was happening.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: But second of all, Matt Dillon had him give him
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: guitar lessons and paid him a thousand dollars for some
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: guitar lessons, so it was a huge deal. It's like
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: that thousand dollars like got me through and made it
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: and then everything just snowballed. Like once they released that
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: ten album. It took a little while, but once it
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: reached a certain velocity, it was just unstoppable and just
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: rolled and rolled at a crazy pace, which caused a
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: lot of problems, as you can imagine.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I still remember in my dorm at Southern Connecticut State
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: University the video for a live was on and everybody's like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: whoa these dudes, what's this because we were still in
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: that hairband era. Yeah, So there would be Pearl Jam
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: alive and then the next video would be Warrant. Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: That crossover period like when Mister Big Had to Be
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: with You I think was a number one single and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: then Smells Like Teen Spirit was on at the same
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: time and you'd hear them back to back on the radio.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It was this transitional period. Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: And don't you love how Pearl Jam made one of
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the most acclaimed videos ever for the song Jeremy, and
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: then responded by not making any more videos.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, couldn't stand making videos.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Jeremy video they don't even appear in it, right,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: And then after that they decided, now we're not We're
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: not gonna make any more videos at all. And then
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: the next one they made was an animated video for
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: a song called Do the Evolution.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I remember that, which was remember that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: The band the guy that did spawn made that one
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: animated video. Yeah, and I think to this day they
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: don't even appear in their videos, Like they'll make videos now,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: but I don't think they show up in them, or
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: if they do, they it might be very vague. The
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: big thing is Eddie hated lip syncing, so he didn't
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: want to be moving his mouth and having the live
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: video was done live so that he didn't mind because
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: he was actually singing, and that's the audio you hear.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: The balcony.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that was his actual vocal. But he couldn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: stand the idea of being on a sound stage and
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: pretending to sing. But that wasn't what you were going
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: to hear.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like, wasn't he in the Jeremy video where
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: he's lip syncing it?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: No, if you watch the Jeremy video, the band isn't
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that this could be a Mandela effect,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure that the band does not appear.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: It's all staged with actors.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Walk this Way The Autobiography of Aerosmith by Aerosmith and
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Stephen Davis, who's famously known for his Zeppelin book Hammer
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: of the Gods. This came out in ninety seven, updated
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. Is this like the go to book
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: for Aerosmith fans? What a humble little book this is, yes, paperback.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: This is shocking in how honest it is and what
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Stephen Tyler reveals in the book, because it's a oral history,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: so it's just this person says this, This person's a
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you know, then a little bit of context, but it's
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the band members and their associates themselves in their own words,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: telling the stories. And it is fascinating. But at one
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: point Stephen Tyler incriminates himself because he talks about doing
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: things with an underage girl that you probably shouldn't be doing,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and later on that girl ended up suing him.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I remember last year, two years ago, I think it
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: was Years's.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Faced a few lawsuits and one of them, which I
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: think was fairly recently a few years ago, was one
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: that he talks about from this book, and the book
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: is part of her lawsuit. Like in his book he
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: says that he did this and this, and and it's yeah,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: it's very incriminating. You can tell that any lawyer would
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: have looked at this and said, nope, we're not not
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: publishing this. But somehow all this got through. So Steven
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Tyler is just flying off the cuff, all his comments
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and all this stuff just got through. So somehow the author,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Stephen Davis got these guys to just open up and
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: spill their guts, because they certainly did. It's really fascinating
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to read.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: That'd be interesting to find out just how he did
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: get them to open up. How do journalists in general
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: get somebody to open up? Because you got to feel
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: comfortable with that person.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, you have to build, you have to be a
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: little patient, and you have to make it clear that
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: you're not just looking for a sound bite. Because most
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: journalists eric are fairly lazy, or they're overworked or both.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Most of the stories you read, they're just looking to
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: file the story, get it done, move on to the
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: next because they don't really have time to really dig
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: into it. And the subjects kind of know that, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: that's why they will just repeat the same stories over
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: and over, looking for the same sound bite. Entertainment news
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: is like this in general.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have those junkets.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Like it's for movies too. Yeah, when a
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: movie comes out, you hear the same storyline over and
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: over and over that they just keep repeating to you
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: how like the movie Captain Phillips, how many times did
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you hear about how Tom Hanks didn't meet the guy
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: that played the pira until he was actually on the scene,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Like they must have told that story hundreds and hundreds
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: of times. Yeah, but if you really want to dig
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: in and get this kind of stuff, you have to
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: ask follow up questions, and you have to listen so
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: when they are talking about when they give you their
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: sound bite, because they very often do revert to what
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: they've said before, even if it's not your question, you
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: have to then follow it up and make it clear
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that you do want them to go a little deeper,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: you do want to hear more about it. And you
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: also have to make it clear that you're prepared, that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you know what's going on in their career, what they're
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: up to, what they've done, and then you will get
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: some pretty good responses.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Patti Smith Complete nineteen seventy five to two thousand
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and six Lyritory Selections and Notes for the Future. Is
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that that I have the right one? Yes, one that's
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: from originally from ninety nine but updated in No. Six.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Is that Yeah, I wouldn't believe, believe so. But she
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: wrote this herself, so yes, this was updated in six
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: What is your take on Patti Smith?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say I know so little about Patty Smith.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I just because the Night is probably the only song
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I can say I like from hers, just because Springsteen
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: was the one saying it and I heard him sing
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: at first. I really, I'm not proud to say that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I should really learn more about her, because she's.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Well, she's an acquired taste. It's not it's not something
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: that you might really enjoy if you try to put
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: on her one of her albums and listen to it
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: all the way through, because they're very obtuse the songs.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: But what I love about the book is it is
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: very much like for songs, and that it is mostly
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of photos, very artistic style photos, because
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: she writes in a lot of imagery in a way
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: where her lyrics will just describe what you can then
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: visualize in your head. And in the book she writes
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: like she writes her lyrics in a way that you
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: have no idea what she's talking about. Now, maybe her
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: certain fans, certain people get something out of this and
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: they totally understand it, but it's you'll get stuff like
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: when my hair was cropped, I was craving covering, but
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: now my hair itself is a veil. Okay, you know
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: it's food for thought. It's very it's poetry.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: It's like poetry merging with rock. Yeah, that was that
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: was her thing.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally valid. I don't really get it myself.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: There are certain songs of hers that I do like
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: that are probably more accessible, songs like what you said,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Because the Night on Frederick and Dancing Barefoot, songs like that.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: She's done some amazing stuff. She's very influential and very
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: deserving of all her accolades, and I feel that this
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: book just captures that spirit very well.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd love to know. So she teamed up
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: with Bruce to write Because the Night.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: No, that's not totally true. Springsteen had the song written.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: He had the song written.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, it was already written, and Jimmy Iavin, who was
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: working with both of them, is the one that told
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Bruce that he had to give that song to Patti Smith.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And when he gave it to Patti Smith, Patti Smith
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: changed some of the lyrics and she made it more
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: of a love song. I think she may have put
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: in maybe she put in like the take Me Now
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: part take me Now, but the whole because the knight
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: belongs to and most of the verse. Springsteen already had that,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: But Patti Smith did get a songwriting credit on the song,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: which ended up being pivotal because she was never a
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: very popular artist. She never sold many albums at all, Like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think she ever had a gold record, But
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: because the Night was her only real hit, and with
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: her having a songwriting credit on it, it gave her
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the royalties she needed to be able to keep doing
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: what she was doing. Hmm.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: There's a great story of Bruce writing Hungry Heart for well.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: He ran into Joey or Ramone in New Jersey and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Asbury Park, I think, and he offered the song to Joey.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: But then John Landau, Springsteen's Manager's, like, no way, man,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: we got to keep this one.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it ended up being a huge hit. You
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: ever see a Springsteen concert, he basically lets the crowd
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: sing the song. Yes, if he is gonna do Hungry Heart,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: He's not really feeling like singing. He's just kind of
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: all right, everybody's gonna have fun. It'll be a sing along,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and he'll just point the microphone to the crowd and
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: let the crowd sing along with it.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I just would love to know what it would have
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: sounded like if the Ramones did it, because it wouldn't
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: have sounded exactly the same, there's no way, because you know.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: It would have been very, very different.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Book on podcasts will be back after.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: This, but time has come for someone to put his
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: foot down, and that foot is me.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: The last book to talk about is Lived Through That
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Nineties Musicians Today twenty twenty one by Mike Hipple. This
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: looks yeah, all right, yeah to the DC book right
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that photos, great stories, great photos.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Well, this one is wonderful because it goes through every
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: page is another artist from the nineties who you may
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: or may not remember, Kay Hanley. Here letter is to
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Cleo k Hanley, and Mike is a tremendous photographer. So
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: you get the photo, which is incredible, and then he
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: tells you a bit about the person, what they're up to,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I just found it an incredible read.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: But then again, I also have kind of a fascination
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: with the nineties. I remember that time, so it's intriguing
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to me. To see what many of these people are
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: up to. And I give Mike some credit too. When
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I read this book and I saw that some of
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: these people were still kicking around making music doing some
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: interesting stuff. He put me in touch with some of
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: them and I ended up doing some interviews with them. Well,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: you know, like Tracy Bonhams one Yeah, do you remember
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the Tracy Bonham hit Mother, Mother one of the most
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: intriguing songs of the nineties, got a violin. Tracy Bonham
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: would play the violin and sing at the same time,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: and this was one of these early songs of just
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: screaming anxiety where she would scream everything's fine, the whole
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: wonderful story behind the song, and quick little story about
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: what I learned from Tracy Bonham. In the nineties, authenticity
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: was everything. You couldn't break an artist unless they had
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: paid their dues by coming up the ranks and working
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: for it. But Tracy Bonham got her record deal right
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: away because she had a demo that was really good,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: so she hadn't done the whole indie artist release some
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: EPs that kind of thing. So her record label, which
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I think was Island Records, made a fake indie album
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: on her behalf. They contacted a indie label and they
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: gave them some music and they said, release this and
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: we're going to call it the Liverpool Sessions, and it's
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: going to have her name on it. And it was
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: solely to give her a backstory so when she was
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: an interview she would be able to talk about how
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: she made this album in Liverpool, England, and it got
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: a little bit of attention, but it was basically building
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: her bio and it was completely fake.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Now these days, nobody cares about any of that. If
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: you get signed because you were on a reality show
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: or because somebody spotted you on YouTube or anywhere else,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You didn't have to pay your dues, We
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: don't care. But back in the nineties, that was such
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: a big deal that that's the lengths that people were
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: going to to concoct a story.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I got a book for you. Then next month
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I have Gary grafon to talk about. He's got a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: book coming out called five hundred and one Essential Albums
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: of the Nineties. All Right, it's a book designed to
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: start arguments. That's the teaser to it. Yeah, and Greg
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Prato's he covers the nineties. He's great. He's got so many. Actually,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the first book I read by him was his book
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: on Shannon Huon of Blind Melon. I think that's really
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: how we connected, because I think I reached out to
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: him just specifically for that.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves his Blind Melon. Man, he is evangelical.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Without Blind Melon.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: We're the two biggest Blind Melon fans, are you really? Yeah? Okay,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah man, absolutely. Yeah. He's got some great
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: books that have artists from the nineties. Okay, so books
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: on rock that you want to read but haven't yet.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Keith Richard's Life Rolling Stone ranked at fifth on the
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: list of greatest rock memoirs of all time, behind Little Trivia, Questlove,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Moment of Blues, Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run, Patty Smith,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Just Kids, and Bob Dylan Chronicles Volume one. Do you
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: have a favorite Keith Richard's song?
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Fact He wrote the song the riff to the song
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Satisfaction when he woke up from a dream and he
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: didn't even remember writing it. But he was very fortunate
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: because he had a little portal tape recorder next to
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: his bed, so when he woke up in the middle
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: of the night and it was in his head, he
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: recorded that riff, and then the next day he listened
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: to it, and typically if you wake up and record something,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be anything good. But it ended
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: up being the riff to Satisfaction.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: One of the greatest songs in rock history.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: And one of the great riffs in guitar history. I
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: love that story. It's fantastic. And one of the little
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: corollaries to that story is the hotel it was in Clearwater,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Florida that ended up being the base of the Scientology movement.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: It wasn't at the time, but yeah, the Scientology movements
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: ended up being based in that very place where the
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: rift is Satisfaction was written.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Oh I love the jump and Jack Flash one too,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: wasn't it the gardener there goes jumping Jack.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was an actual person. They were kind
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: of making fun of that, they Yeah.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: So he finished with books on rock. You'd like to
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: see you written but haven't been yet. You'd like to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: see a book about how artists face the transition into
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: the Internet. That is a great book idea. Some embraced it,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: you say, like Dave Matthews, Tori Amos, and Korn, while
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: most bigger established acts pretty much ignored it until they
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: could the music business change so drastically. I'd like to
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: know if there was ever a shift that big prior
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to that, because if you go back to the advent
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: of radio, maybe to eight track and cassette players and vehicles,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: to the MTV era, maybe the MTV era probably would
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: be a would be a close second, but the Internet
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: just they must have had the biggest impact on music.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: It's hard to tell if the Internet did or if
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: MTV did. That's a good question. MTV was very, very
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: disruptive after MTV. If you were Areo Speedwagon, you weren't
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: really relevant anymore because you weren't really on MTV. But
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: if you were Van Halen, you were in great shape.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: If you were Duran Duran, you were doing really well.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: And some artists, you know zz Top revived their car.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it couldn't be done, and that it would
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: turn an artist from a nobody into one of the
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: biggest names worldwide just because of MTV. One hit wonders, right,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's yeah, and it's and then it would
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: sell in turn, sell albums, move units as they say,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: So that was transformative.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think the Internet was as transformative. So if
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: you were a Bob Seger fan, you were still going
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: to listen to Bob Sieger and buy his next album
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: even though he had no Internet presence whatsoever. But if
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: you were a new artist like Korn and you really
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: leveraged this, you were gonna the Internet made you. That's
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: how they got their fan base. It wasn't through the
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: regular channels, it wasn't through the normal promotion, No radio
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: station played them, but they managed to do it. So yes,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: a book about what artists really leveraged the Internet and
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: were able to use it to their advantage would be
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: interesting to me. And the other little ancillary part of
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: that is many artists had fan communities that cropped up
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: with the Internet. You know. Weezer, for instance, had this
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: army of Internet evangelists for the band that made them
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: so much more popular than they would have been otherwise.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: The Dave Matthews band managed to really create something special
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: that way, And sometimes it would just be one fan
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: that would spearhead this and pull it all together for
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: an artist. So like Tori Amos, somebody has spent a
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: lot of their life documenting everything Tori Amos has ever
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: done and putting a community together for her. It's all there,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: and Tory is helped out by doing a lot of
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  Speaker 2: very uh forward looking promotions. He was one of the first,
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  Speaker 2: I think, to put a song on the internet. For instance,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: back when nobody else was doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Aerosmith too, and if you remember that, No, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: there was a song off of Yeah, that was the
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  Speaker 1: album Nine Lives. I think they it was an internet
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  Speaker 1: only single.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you say, like you say, some bands
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  Speaker 1: got on board, some they just couldn't ignore it. I
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  Speaker 1: love now that this This is crazy. Just just to
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: think if you're promoting a band or a product or
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: or an actor or whatever, hire an influencer. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just somebody who has a million followers on social media,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: just such a it's a whole different world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really different.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're an influencer, you can be paid lots
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of money to like, go to I don't know, you
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  Speaker 1: go go on a cruise and you just got a post.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Oh this cruise is so great. I look at all
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: What's really interesting about these influencers is how they rose
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  Speaker 2: to that level of fame because they don't always look
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  Speaker 2: like they have any discernible talent, but somehow some of
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: them managed to just crack the code and they get it,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: whereas there are a million others out there that are
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: just begging for attention, begging for followers, and nobody cares.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I remember Chris Jericho on his podcast had somebody who
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: was a woman that works for him to promote him
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  Speaker 1: on social media, and she was fascinating. It just broke down,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: like the way there's just a specific science to it
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: in the length of the videos and what you put
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: for hashtags. What type of title do you give it? Yeah,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: how often do you what time of day do you
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  Speaker 1: post it? You know, all that stuff. That's just again
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  Speaker 1: a whole different world, you know, because back in the day,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: it was like get your song on the radio, tour
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: and then get your song on the radio, get your
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: video on MTV tour. You know. Now it's like you
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: gotta spread it out, You got to hit all the avenues.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: So and I think you have to be persistent too.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: If you're going to be any kind of media personality,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: you really need to stick with it. And a lot
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: of people get bored with it when it doesn't work
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: out right away. But it is funny, Erica, you know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: if you look at somebody tells you about an influencer
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: and then you actually look and you see what they are.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: You go, oh, this is it? How is this person
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: this popular? But yeah, they stick with it. They know
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: their audience and they find a way to make it work.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: So let's plug the website. Tell us about song facts
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  Speaker 1: podcasts or the website, whatever you want to get out there.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Let people know because you also you got the music
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: history calendar, which you did mention up top. But people
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: know where people can keep, people could go and what
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: they can find.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Well, since you are in fact a podcast listener, if
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: you're hearing this, I would suggest you know, check out
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: the song facts podcast. Just type in song Facts podcasts
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: and it's pretty interesting. You might might learn something about
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: an artist you haven't heard about before and get their stories.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: And if you do ever question what a song is about,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: you want the lyrics something like that, go to songfacts
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: dot com, hype it in and get it from us.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Don't just get it from Google. Don't just type it
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: into Google. They just spit it out some AI generated stuff.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Go to songfacts dot com and check it out directly
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: and it'll be it'll be worth your while. You'll find
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: out what other people think about it. You'll get the
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: real story behind it. It'll be you'll enjoy it.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I challenge anybody to go there, just for a
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: few minutes, because once you go there, you go down
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that rabbit hole and you start looking for another song,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: and then another song, well what about that band? And
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: then you like the categories. I love it's all the
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: various different categories. It's just a fun website that you
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: can get lost in. So I highly recommend it. I've
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: been a fan of it for years. And Carl, thanks
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: so much, man. This is great to have you on
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and share the good news about song facts and all
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the great stuff that you do there.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Well. Yes, and congratulations un pooked on rock Eric. You've
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: done a wonderful job on this podcast.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Look forward to that. We'll have you back
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: on again down the road.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Always a pleasure. No, no, that was an adventure.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I was quite as shure you put onto the Well.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Let me just close this conversation by saying you are
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: one unique individual.