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'Love Island' Love Lessons:  Why Nice Guys Finished Last #Carl · I Do, Part 2

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  Speaker 1: Hey, that folks did is Saturday, June twenty seventh, and why.
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  Speaker 2: Do good guys finish last?
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at you, Carl, but we're asking you Amy
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  Speaker 1: Robots and with that, welcome to this Love Island love
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  Speaker 1: lesson edition of Amy and TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Did we see this play out dud?
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  Speaker 1: Did that come to mind as we watched the episode
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  Speaker 1: and you saw Carl not get chosen by Anaya instead
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  Speaker 1: wanted to stick with a guy who's had some questionable behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Did that phrase come to mind?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is the age old question that I think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of nice guys ask why the nice guy's
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  Speaker 3: always finish last?
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  Speaker 4: And hashtag Carl.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Carl was trending on X all night long
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  Speaker 3: because yeah, he was in a lot of ways comedic relief,
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  Speaker 3: but also you felt for him. He's such a good
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  Speaker 3: guy that even when he got rejected, he was feeling
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  Speaker 3: for Anaya and telling her it was gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 3: He recognized pretty quickly, I think that he wasn't going
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  Speaker 3: to be her choice when she started praising him, which
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  Speaker 3: I know might seem counterintuitive. You're such a nice guy,
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  Speaker 3: You're the perfect man. You're everything I dreamed of you
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  Speaker 3: check every box. How many of those women said that
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  Speaker 3: to the kasa amor guys last night while they were
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  Speaker 3: rejecting them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, right off the top, Why in your opinion did
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  Speaker 1: Anaya not pick.
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  Speaker 3: Karl because she wasn't sexually attracted to him or physically.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't that he isn't good looking. He's an attractive man.
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  Speaker 3: He has a great body, he has a strong jawline.
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  Speaker 3: But he doesn't have charisma, he doesn't have swagger, he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have that genesequa that women get drawn to. That yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that bad boy energy. He's the opposite of that.
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  Speaker 1: So in this respect, okay, I'm just gonna talk to
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  Speaker 1: you now, I got no notes. Now, Okay, let's break
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  Speaker 1: this down. So you are you do go along with this?
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  Speaker 1: That nice guys finished last not because they're nice, but
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  Speaker 1: because this nice guy happened to not be have the
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  Speaker 1: right to Jena Sequah.
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  Speaker 4: Look, it's just.
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  Speaker 3: The whole time I'm watching Carl, I'm watching Corey was
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  Speaker 3: also one of those guys making picnics for the women.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost as if they're trying so hard to be
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  Speaker 3: nice that they don't seem real. So it almost as
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  Speaker 3: if like you're dating a ken doll, and there's just
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  Speaker 3: something that isn't sexy or attractive.
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  Speaker 4: About a ken doll.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask then, as we talk about nice guys,
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  Speaker 1: is it really the idea of nice guys? So it's
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  Speaker 1: not a matter of being nice or doing something nice
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  Speaker 1: that's not unattractive.
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  Speaker 3: Oh No, doing something kind, doing something like doing something
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  Speaker 3: basically like opening a door for a woman or preparing
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  Speaker 3: a meal for a woman. You can do all of
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  Speaker 3: those nice things. But a girl's gonna want a little
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  Speaker 3: something more. I want a little devilish smile. I want
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  Speaker 3: a wink of the eye. I want a funny line.
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  Speaker 3: I want there to be some little sexual innuendo. I
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  Speaker 3: felt like there was nothing sexual about Carl, and there
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  Speaker 3: was not. I know I'm trying to be mean, but
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  Speaker 3: it's just like that's just the truth, that's just the energy.
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  Speaker 1: So I need to get away from Carl for a seconds.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to stick with the nice guy thing.
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  Speaker 1: Do you go along with that that? Generally speaking, but
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  Speaker 1: you sound like you have a reason for it. Is
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  Speaker 1: that nice guys is not that they're nice and that's unattractive.
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  Speaker 1: Nice guys usually come along with something else that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: lend itself to attractiveness.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I think that there's just maybe in this. I
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  Speaker 3: know this sounds awful, but I'm just speaking truthfully. There's
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  Speaker 3: an earnestness about it and almost a desperation about it.
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  Speaker 2: So being nice it's like.
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  Speaker 3: They're over Like when guys are really really nice all
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  Speaker 3: the time, it can't be real.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, so you're part of you. I think
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  Speaker 4: there's a spidy sense in you going this is not normal.
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  Speaker 4: No one is this nice, no one is this unbothered.
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  Speaker 3: Like there is something about getting to know someone's dark side,
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  Speaker 3: their devilish side. That's a part of the attractiveness. And
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  Speaker 3: when someone only shows you the glossy, shiny finish, it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to get invested.
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  Speaker 1: But the idea is that is who some people are.
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  Speaker 1: It's not put on. It's not a shiny, glossess finish.
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  Speaker 1: Some just don't have that dog in them. And by
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  Speaker 1: a dog, I mean that fight in him.
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  Speaker 2: Don't I get that?
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  Speaker 1: At Edge? Maybe Edge is a good thing to say
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  Speaker 1: about Carl Some and we don't know him. We saw
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  Speaker 1: him for two three episodes.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, but I feel like we do know him.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we do His comments, his facial expression.
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  Speaker 3: Everything was just so sweet. You know, he takes care
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  Speaker 3: of his mother, he's kind to his grandmother. He walks
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  Speaker 3: an old lady across the streets.
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  Speaker 2: Why is that not good enough for you?
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  Speaker 4: He would be a great friend and an awesome brother.
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  Speaker 2: Friend zoning them all right, we don't even know Carl.
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  Speaker 2: You friend zoned him.
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  Speaker 1: Why is all those things you just mentioned? Why is
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  Speaker 1: that not enough for Carl to get picked?
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  Speaker 3: I think we all deep down love the chase a
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  Speaker 3: little and if you don't give me any chase, if
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  Speaker 3: you don't give me any little fun and maybe Look,
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  Speaker 3: I can't speak obviously for all women, but I do
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  Speaker 3: think most women listening will understand what I'm saying that, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you want that spark and just being super nice, golly
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  Speaker 3: gee all the time is wonderful and peaceful and kind,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not you don't have that spark.
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  Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that when critique comes, when
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  Speaker 1: women do talk about what they want, that all the
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  Speaker 1: nice things you mentioned are the things that are said.
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  Speaker 1: You don't often hear a woman say yeah, I want
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  Speaker 1: to do that's got a little edge to him. I
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  Speaker 1: want a guy that's got a little mystery about the dark.
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  Speaker 1: You don't hear that, even though you might understand it
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  Speaker 1: and believe it and know it in your heart, it's
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  Speaker 1: not a part of the discussion. So we end up
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  Speaker 1: in the same place about a woman. All these women
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  Speaker 1: on the show, I thought, Oh, he's so nice. I
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  Speaker 1: want him to do this nice thing and do this
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  Speaker 1: sight thing. I just want to be kind or say this,
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  Speaker 1: make me break.
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  Speaker 2: Do it, all these nice things. And then when you
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  Speaker 2: don't coming.
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  Speaker 3: From their sexy man who's given them a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a chase, who has a little bit of swigger,
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  Speaker 3: who has a little bit of personality, where I'm like, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: what's he thinking?
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  Speaker 2: You know what?
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  Speaker 4: This is funny.
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  Speaker 3: So when so my aunt was my high school drama teacher,
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  Speaker 3: and she and my uncle were brilliant actors and directors,
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  Speaker 3: and I remember her saying this about what makes a
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  Speaker 3: phenomenal actor on stage, because this is what makes them compelling,
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  Speaker 3: This is what makes them interesting, This is what makes
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  Speaker 3: them attractive to an audience who's invested in them and
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  Speaker 3: wants to follow along and hear what they think and
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  Speaker 3: see and.
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  Speaker 4: Believe, and where they end up there's a little mystery
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  Speaker 4: to them.
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  Speaker 3: You have to keep a little mystery to yourself, and
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  Speaker 3: that's part of having someone be attracted to you, wanting
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  Speaker 3: to know more what's really going on in there? If
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  Speaker 3: it's just all golly gee, I sure think you're swell.
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  Speaker 3: There is no mystery like I do think there is
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  Speaker 3: this thing that we all as humans want some level
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  Speaker 3: of mystery.
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  Speaker 4: I need to know more. I want to understand.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes when you just have a really unbelievably nice
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  Speaker 3: and it's not even just a facade, but there's just
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  Speaker 3: nothing to you to discover or uncover. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying there isn't there just isn't no desire to that's
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  Speaker 3: maybe awful about human nature. I don't know what it
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  Speaker 3: is biologically that we're possibly wired to be attracted to that.
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  Speaker 1: You are flat out saying that being a nice guy
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  Speaker 1: is a negative. You are actually don't get again, this
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  Speaker 1: is individual you're actually saying, And it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to.
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  Speaker 3: Say it like that because it's not that that. It's
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  Speaker 3: just I think there is there. There isn't as much
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  Speaker 3: attractiveness to someone who doesn't have who doesn't show you
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  Speaker 3: this multifaceted part of themselves where you feel like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: I want to peel back that onions.
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  Speaker 1: I want to wait, that's different, right, because you could
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  Speaker 1: be a hot guy and still don't have that whatever mystery.
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  Speaker 4: But that wouldn't be attractive to me.
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  Speaker 2: But are you.
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  Speaker 1: Saying that all nice guys come with that thing, like
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  Speaker 1: there's a lack of interest just peeling back the onion.
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  Speaker 2: There's no mystery to a nice guy.
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  Speaker 3: There's a certain Yeah, there's a certain type of nice
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  Speaker 3: guy who is kind of like, look, it's just like
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  Speaker 3: basically like a vanilla ice cream cone, Like they're great,
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  Speaker 3: you know what you're gonna get, but it's it's vanilla.
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  Speaker 3: And I just feel like that is part of what
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  Speaker 3: it is. And I'm just being really honest about attractiveness.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about someone's value you or worth or what
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  Speaker 3: a kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Husband they would.
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  Speaker 3: They probably make the most amazing husbands ever. But it's
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  Speaker 3: just one of those moments where you're like, I think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of women want to feel their heart pounding.
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  Speaker 3: They want the thrill of the chase of the what's
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  Speaker 3: going to happen in that mystery?
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  Speaker 4: And you saw it.
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  Speaker 3: Play out of Love Island, where all these women had
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  Speaker 3: these nice guys who were making them picnics and telling
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  Speaker 3: them how beautiful they were, and asking questions about their
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  Speaker 3: families and what makes them tick and all the things
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  Speaker 3: that we say we want in a man. And none
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  Speaker 3: of them picked those guys because not a one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Because they wanted the chase. They wanted the thrill, they
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  Speaker 3: wanted the excitement that those other guys made them feel,
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  Speaker 3: because there was this.
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  Speaker 4: Mystery of what are they going to do?
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  Speaker 1: But that's it's just interesting that that thrill of the
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  Speaker 1: chase or whatever it may be how you just described it,
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  Speaker 1: Robes is so overwhelming of a desire in a criteria
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  Speaker 1: that it outweighs the thing in front of you that
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  Speaker 1: you say you want. Everything you say you want, he's
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  Speaker 1: saying it, and he's doing it. He's everything you say
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  Speaker 1: you want, But you would still prefer to go over here. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's discouraging for nice guys, but when you
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that. That's just a saying that's thrown
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  Speaker 1: away around for a bunch of reasons. But in this case,
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  Speaker 1: in particular, because Carl did seem like such a nice,
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  Speaker 1: decent guy who was from the moment he got there,
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  Speaker 1: he has been treating her with the utmost at least,
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  Speaker 1: it certainly flies in the face of what we've seen
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  Speaker 1: with her and Case.
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  Speaker 2: So I.
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  Speaker 1: Would like for you to tell me, then, what was
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  Speaker 1: attractive about Carl.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean he's physically, he's an attractive man. Physically,
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  Speaker 3: he's an attractive man. He's tall, he's muscular, he's got
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  Speaker 3: that square jaw, he's got a cute smile.
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  Speaker 4: He looks the.
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  Speaker 2: Parts, and he's nice. He sounds perfect. He's too nice.
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  Speaker 2: That's not we can't come on, he's too nice.
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  Speaker 3: No, Look, this is funny because this is going on.
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  Speaker 3: I actually went on to Reddit and I was laughing,
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  Speaker 3: and I think these are men.
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  Speaker 2: They're confused.
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  Speaker 3: This guy says, I'm so confused as to how and
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  Speaker 3: why both Kida and Melanie start their speech by talking
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: shit about their men and then saying how great the
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: Kasa guy is, but then still coupling up with their
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  Speaker 3: original guy. I had to keep rewinding because I was
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  Speaker 3: convinced I heard it wrong. Is it shocking to you
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  Speaker 3: as a man that they ended up choosing the guy
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  Speaker 3: who maybe potentially had broken their hearts.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we all made that prediction, and that was the
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  Speaker 1: reason for that. Rose has to do with the dynamics
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: of the show a little bit right. They've been with
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: these other guys for three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: I still think that this would still play out the
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  Speaker 3: same way if their same choices in real life, if
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: we're a Sincere like character versus a Cory And.
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  Speaker 1: Again, I go with time. You got history with Sincere,
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: You've got history with KC. You've been back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: you know each other, You've been sleeping in the same
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  Speaker 1: bed for weeks. There's a new guy came in, it's
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: been two or three days. It's hard for that person
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  Speaker 1: to be so wonderful that they're going to overcome make
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  Speaker 1: you forget about that history that you don't think is
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  Speaker 1: done yet. I it makes that part makes sense and
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  Speaker 1: not just a nice guy thing, but it's.
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  Speaker 3: But I think we all crave a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: the drama because someone else wrote and Nya literally said
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  Speaker 3: when she was with Carl, and she did say this
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  Speaker 3: last night, I'm the happiest I've ever been.
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  Speaker 4: And still she chose.
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  Speaker 2: Kse Okay, So you explained that to me then.
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  Speaker 3: Because she was happy because somebody was stroking her ego,
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  Speaker 3: making her feel pretty and validated and cared for. But
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: she wasn't feeling that spark. So, yes, you can be
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  Speaker 3: happy and peaceful, but down don't we all want that
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  Speaker 3: lightning bolt? And that usually comes with some.
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  Speaker 2: Drama with a KC.
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  Speaker 4: And man, did she get some drama?
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  Speaker 2: What was it?
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  Speaker 1: The Sabina told us about it yesterday. The thing going
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  Speaker 1: on around the case stands for keep Carl. They were
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  Speaker 1: trying to convince her.
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  Speaker 4: Look, Carl could come back.
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  Speaker 3: It's we're going to vote one person back on or
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  Speaker 3: at least one man. I think in one woman, how
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  Speaker 3: much you want to bet it's Carl and it's Ama
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  Speaker 3: because they want to mix this stuff up.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, Robes, we have so far in our conversation,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't even asked you the question I've been wanting
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  Speaker 1: to ask you most and it might.
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  Speaker 2: Explain a little more.
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  Speaker 1: So why y'all don't mess with the good guys or
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  Speaker 1: the nice guys?
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  Speaker 2: I should stay? All right?
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  Speaker 1: We continue here on A and TJ talking about the
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  Speaker 1: nice guys who have been finishing First no dead Last.
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  Speaker 1: We saw four nice guys dead last standing up there looking.
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  Speaker 4: It was so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: That is exactly what you see in real life, and
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  Speaker 3: it played out on Love Island.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So here is my question.
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  Speaker 1: And then part of the reason that in some discussions
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  Speaker 1: you'll have this robes is about nice guys. The motives
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  Speaker 1: do women question and can this be a part of
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  Speaker 1: the lack of attraction sometimes to a nice guy? Is
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  Speaker 1: you question the motive? Is he really doing this because
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  Speaker 1: he is such a nice guy, or he is trying
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  Speaker 1: to win favor and position himself with me in some way?
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  Speaker 1: Is this for him or is this really for me?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's absolutely something you consider, especially when someone only
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  Speaker 3: shows you this over the top kind facade. No one
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  Speaker 3: can always be that nice. People get annoyed, upset, angry,
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  Speaker 3: So to act as if you're just always the kind, giving,
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  Speaker 3: generous one is Honestly, it's kind of annoying, if not suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: That's the question, because sometimes there have been accusations. I've
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  Speaker 1: heard it plenty of times over the years from various women.
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  Speaker 1: They can't stand surprises or public displays because they feel performative.
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  Speaker 1: They feel like everybody there is looking at the person
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  Speaker 1: who gave the gift as what a wonderful person, instead
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  Speaker 1: of looking at the one whose actual birthday it is
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. I hear that, I hear
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  Speaker 1: that plenty now that could fly in the face, and really,
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  Speaker 1: you tell me, then a nice guy being a performative
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  Speaker 1: nice guy has to be worse than a nice guy.
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  Speaker 3: It is, and look, they're not easy to spot initially,
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  Speaker 3: but after a while you're like, wait, why do I
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  Speaker 3: always feel like it ends up always being about you
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  Speaker 3: and everyone talking about what a nice guy you are?
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  Speaker 3: And somehow I don't understand how this became about you?
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  Speaker 3: And wow, now that I think about it, it is
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  Speaker 3: always about you.
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  Speaker 4: And then you question the motives.
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  Speaker 3: Are you only being nice so that you can receive
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  Speaker 3: that type of attention, so that you can receive the
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  Speaker 3: everyone saying how wonderful you are? Are you only doing
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  Speaker 3: it for basically the praise you're receiving versus the love
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  Speaker 3: you're giving.
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  Speaker 4: That is a part of.
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  Speaker 1: It, And the other part of their robes is you
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  Speaker 1: tell me, it's the part about winning favor. It does
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  Speaker 1: feel manipulative, and it felt like that a little bit
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  Speaker 1: with Corey.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the brother, but I kept saying he's
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: trying too hard. Yeah, you did say he's saying too
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  Speaker 2: much of the right things.
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  Speaker 1: That came off as not him being a and he
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  Speaker 1: might be a nice guy, but you just you kind
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  Speaker 1: of question when all you're hearing is the exact like
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  Speaker 1: it's going in line with this is the perfect thing,
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  Speaker 1: Like it was like an if being is and somebody
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  Speaker 1: was saying, say this to her now.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think that women and I mean men too,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm speaking now just all behalf of women. You
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  Speaker 3: have a spidy sense, and there's something that's off. You're like,
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  Speaker 3: this is not this doesn't feel right, This doesn't feel real.
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  Speaker 3: This feels icky, fake, like there's a radar that goes
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: off in everyone. And so although they all may be
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: really really nice guys, there's something inside of these women
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: saying there's just no way they're that nice.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Does any part of it come off as a lack
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of strength, a lack of self esteem? Like you're always
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: catering to someone else, You're always being a servant to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: someone else.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: You just nailed it, and I do think there is
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: it's so ironic, but this is you. I think you
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: just put this into perspective for me where I can
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: actually articulate it now why we feel the way we feel.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: But it is almost as if there's a lack of
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: confidence or self worth in that person. Because they're pouring
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: everything into you to make you like them so that
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: they can feel worthy. And it's almost then there's a
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: responsibility from you, the woman, to make them feel worthy
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: by reciprocating what they're giving you. And it feels heavy
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: and weighty. I just now realize that you just put
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: it into respective. But I think that's why there is
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: actually an ick feeling that comes over a woman when
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: you're experiencing someone like this, because it's like, all of
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: a sudden, this responsibility, because this man is so into
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: you that he's probably not that into himself and he
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: needs you to be into him, so he's doing everything
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: he can to bring you on board to make you
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: love him so that he can feel love. And it
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: feels icky. Your spidy sense goes off.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, he just blew my mind. This is too complicated,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you know what. Knock yourself out, love Alan, you all
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: deserve each other.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: This is insane.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: What you're saying makes sense. But these things are complicated, Bro,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: They are complicated. It has to do with experience, has
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: to do with age, It has to do with the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: show you're on, the people you're around, the other personalities.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: You throw all this into this powder keg. We understand
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: why we're seeing this, but you're right, Robes. Nice guys
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: do have a challenge. The thing is, and that's confusing
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to us. You all won't admit it. Oftentimes, the things
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here, you keep saying you want the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: nice guy. You keep saying you want him to do this,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you want to be that, you want to put you first.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: You want him to cater to you.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: You want him to do all these sweet things and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: be this prince Charming that runs around like a little dog.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: I hear you, I hear you. No, no, no, you
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: don't list those things. You all list all this nice stuff.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: And here's Carl standing up there looking hot with the
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: good jawline like, oh shit, I'm going home.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: He looked like a Disney Prince's like nothing, a diverse
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Disney prince, diverse Disney prince in the new era of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Disney princes. Yes, but I think Carl's coming back. Maybe
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Carl can come back with some game. And look, have
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: you ever been accused of being a nice guy?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh of course, of course, of course, because I
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: mean I i'd like to think I can be a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: nice guy.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I've done plenty of bad done plenty. You know. It's
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit of me and every guy you see
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: on that show.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but see you have swagger and charm and charisma
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: and yes you're kind, but you've still got that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Little You've got that Jensee Quox.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: All right with that, everyone call me Carl.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: You are so not Carl and without everyone.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you for listening on made robok alongside TJ. Holmes.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: We'll talk to you, sir,