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Mega Edition: Courtney Wild And Her Jeffrey Epstein Related Deposition From 2017 (Part 5-7) (4/22/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where we left off with a courty wild deposition. Question
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do you ever remember telling the FBI agent that you
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started stripping at age sixteen? Answer? No, I don't remember that. Question. Okay,
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do you know what the non prosecution agreement is? Do
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you know what I'm talking about when I talk about that? Answer? Yes.
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Question Okay, what does that mean to you? Answer? It's
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where it's not. I can't really explain it into words.
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Question do your best to tell me what it means
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to you? Answer? I can't even really explain question okay,
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answer what is it? Question? Well, whatever it is, is
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it your testimony that you did not know a non
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prosecution agreement existed? Answer? Right? Question? You never knew about that? Answer?
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No question? Is that correct? Answer? Right question? Okay? Before
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the non prosecution agreement was signed, no one told you
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about that. Answer No, somebody came to my work. The
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FBI agents came to my work and told me that
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they were considering settling. You know that Jeffrey was going
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to plead out to charges and everything else. I didn't
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understand that he was pleading out to the state. I
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thought that there was a federal case that he was
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still going to be charged for. That's how under it.
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Question where were you working when they came to see you?
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Answer Sally's beauty supply? Question Okay, So FBI agents came
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to Sally's beauty supply Answer yes, question was it a
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female agent? Answer yes? Question Kirkandall? Does that ring any bells? Answer?
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I think it was nesbit question nesbit? Kirkandall answer yeah.
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Question okay, And your recollection is that she came to
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you at this beauty salon store. Answer correct. Question. And
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what is it that you remember her telling you? Answer?
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She told me that it was good news that they
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were considering jeffreytein signing an agreement to plead guilty for
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whatever charges. I can't remember, she said, but that was
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going It wasn't something that was going to happen right away,
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but it was something that had been brought up. She
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wanted to come and tell me about. Question okay, And
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it was your understanding that mister Epstein was still going
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to be prosecuted for a federal offense. Answer right, because
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the federal because they were involved and when they were
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investigating me, asking questions. They were telling me, how you
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know he's done this internationally to all these women. I
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didn't think that it was just pom Beach County, you know,
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pom Beach County was just going to charge them. I
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thought he was being charged, you know what I mean, federally.
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So I was confused. It was a misunderstanding of exactly
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of what and who was charging him. I didn't understand
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that question, so it was a misunderstanding. Answer. I mean,
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the Feds came to my work and told me that
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he was being charged. It was possibility that he would
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be charged by the state. I didn't think that anything
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to do with their federal case that they had on them.
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Question was that before or after you met with Agent
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Nesbit Kirkandahl at a Public's grocery store in Palm Beach Gardens. Answer?
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That was the same day. I worked at Sally's Beauty
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Supply and I walked out during my break, I went
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to the Publics to talk to her. Question I see,
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and that was in October of two thousand and seven.
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Answer yes, question okay, and you deny that miss Kirkandall.
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Agent Kirkandall told you that there would never be a
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federal prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein. Answer she said, I don't
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think she said that to me. Question Okay, were you
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doing drugs at that time? Answer no, question that was
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a period of time when you were not doing drugs?
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Answer when I was at work. I was not on
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drugs when she told me. Question all right, but during
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that period of time, not the specific time that you
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met with the agent. Were you one of the periods
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where you were doing drugs? Answer yes? Question okay, answer sure.
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Question And do you have a recollection of the agent
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kirkand All telling you that there would not be a
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federal prosecution of mister Epstein. Answer no, I don't remember
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her saying that to me. Question I see, do you
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remember having a discussion with the federal agent As part
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of Epstein's agreement, he had made some concessions that would
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make it easier for you to collect damages? Scrolla objection
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leading wild No Goldberger, Okay, you don't recall that. Answer
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meeting with who? Question when you met with the agents,
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do you recall whether they told you that is part
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of mister Epstein's plea agreement. He had reached an agreement
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to make concessions that would make it easier for you
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to obtain damages scrolla objection leading wild No, I don't
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remember that question okay, answer I don't remember that Goldberger. Okay,
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how many times did you meet with Agent Kirkandall? Answer?
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I met with her a couple of times. I can't
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remember exactly how many times I met with her, but
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I met with her probably a handful times, maybe three
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or four times. Question okay, and did you meet with
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any other special agents of the FBI prior to mister
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Epstein entering his plea? Answer? No, question okay, did you
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meet with any US attorney assistant United States attorneys at
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any time during the pendency of mister Epstein's case? Answer?
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At one point, I met with a lady Maria. Question Marie,
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correct answer Marie. But I can't remember if he had
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already taken the plea or not. I don't know if
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when I found out if he had already plaed out.
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I didn't even know that it had been so long. Afterwards,
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I know that I met with a group of women
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at a table, and I know Marie told me that
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she was sorry for, you know, me being a victim
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of Jeffreys and that if there was anything she could
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do to help me as far as victim services and
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stuff like that, she would, and they did. They helped
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me get the lady. I would go to talk to
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Randy special like a counselor. Question how many times did
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you see Scrollax? Use me, Goldberger, you can finish the answer, Goldberger,
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anything else you want to tell me before the witness? No? Question, okay,
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how many times did you see this Randy was her name? Answer? Yeah,
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I've seen her a bunch of times. I can't remember
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how many times. Question less than ten? Answer, No, more
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than ten? Question more than ten? Answer yeah, question okay?
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Did you ever answer that question differently? Answer? I can't remember.
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Scrola objection improper impeachment, Goldberger. Were you told that prior
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to mister Epstein entering is guilty strike that were you
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told that anytime that mister Epstein, as part of his
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plea agreement, would be required to register as a sex
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offender for life? Scrola, pardon me, I'm going to object
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to that question to the extent that it may call
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for attorney client privilege communication. Goldberger. Were you told by
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anyone from the FBI or the US Attorney's office as
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part of mister Epstein's plea agreement, he was going to
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be required to register as a sex offender for life. Answer.
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I was never told. I was kept in the dark
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when he pled out. I didn't know that my case
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had anything to do with what he was pleading out
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to So I was never told anything to him about
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completing out and what was going on. I didn't know
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anything about it. Question do you recall a meeting with
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Special Agent Nesbit Kirkandahl and special Agent Jason Richards on
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October twenty sixth, two thousand and seven and being told
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that mister Epstein was going to be required to register
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as a sex offender for life? Scrolla objection, Courtney Wilde.
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And that was at Publix, Goldberger, pardon. Answer. That was
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at Publix that we met, because that was the only
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time they ever came to me and told me that
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he was possibly going to be prosecuted. It was up
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in the air. Goldberger. My specific question was whether, mister
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whether you were told by agents of the FBI special
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agents with the FBI that mister Epstein was going to
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be a real quoad to register as a sex offender
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for life? Answer. I don't remember ever being told that question, okay,
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And I want to make sure I understand what the
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agents told you about whether mister Epstein, whether they told
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you that mister Epstein was entering a guilty plea to
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stay charges and would not be prosecuted federally. Your testimony
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is that you were never told that answer. She told
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me that it was a possibility he was going to
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be prosecuted and plead guilty to the state charges. I
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didn't understand how that had anything to do with me,
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being that, you know, there was many more victims. He
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was pleading out the two counts a solicitation of prostitution
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of a minor. It didn't even make sense. I explained
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that to both the people that came and seen me
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nesbit and the guy that makes that charge. Doesn't even
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make sense for me. You know That's why I didn't.
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I didn't think it had anything to do with me.
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I know that when I see it on the news
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and his mugshot, I said that, you know he was
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being it was two young girls under the age of fourteen.
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I thought that's what it had to do with I
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had no idea that it had to do with me.
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Or any of the other victims that he did sexually abuse. Scrolla,
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excuse me, I'm going to interrupt for just a moment.
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Do you have other questions relating to the Crime Victims
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Rights that case? Goldburger, I do, Scrolla, Okay, I'm going
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to object to your examination of Miss Wilde on issues
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relating to another case. Those matters don't have any relevance
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or materiality to this lawsuit in which he's being deposed.
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Her counsel has not had the opportunity to prepare her
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for a deposition in the Crime Victims Rights that case.
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I'm going to instruct her not to answer any additional
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questions regarding the Crime Victims Rights that case. You may
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profer the additional questions that you'd like to ask for
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the record, but you will not answer those pending our
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ability to obtain a protective order. Goldburger, Well, we have
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lots of questions that we intend to ask about the
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Crime Victim Rights Act, and based on your cause of
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action and your theory that you've explained to the court
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as to why mister Epstein filed a claim against your client,
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it's relevant and I recognize that you are advising your
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client not to answer questions. SCROLLA. She is not my client.
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This is a witness, Goldberger, and you're instructing SCROLLA, and
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I am instructing her. I am informing you that additional
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questions relating to the crime victims rights that case, beyond
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those that have already been asked and answered are not
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relevant or material or reasonably calculated to lead to relevant
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and material information. Goldberger. Well, I he gets cut off
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by SCROLLA. You are excuse me, Goldberger, finish your profit,
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Finish whatever you want to say for the record. Scrolla.
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Thank you. You are annoying, harassing this witness, and we
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will seek a protective order. Obviously that can't be done
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right now. So profer your questions. If there is any
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among them that I believe to be an exception to
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the position that I just stated, I'd be happy to
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allow her to answer. Otherwise, I'm telling you generally that
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additional questions regarding the victims rights that case we can
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consider to be entirely inappropriate. Goldburger, Well, I need to
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understand what your objection is. Is it irrelevant or is
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it because she hasn't had opportunity to speak to her
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council Scrolla, Well, it he gets cut off by Goldberger.
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Two different issues, let me finish. Okay, I need to
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know specifically what you're saying so I can determine how
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I'm going to reply to what you're telling someone who
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is not your client to not answer. So he gets
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cut off by Scrolla again both Goldberger? Okay? Both? What Scrolla?
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Both of the grounds that you have inquired about? Coldberger?
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Are there any other grounds that you're using to advise
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someone who is not your client to not answer questions? Scrolla, Well,
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that really depends on what the additional questions are. Goldburger. Well,
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we may have additional questions. Scrolla. Go ahead and ask them,
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proffer them for the record. Goldberger, okay, SCROLLA. I'll raise
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my objection and instruct the witness not to answer, and
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we'll move on from there. Goldberger, all right, SCROLLA, And
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just so that things are abbreviated, I will simply say
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Sam objection, Sam instruction. Goldberger, Okay, Well, i'd like if
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you have any additional objections other than she doesn't have
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an opportunity to consult with her attorney, or you think
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it's irrelevant, then please state them. SCROLLA. And you are
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improperly seeking to take discovery in a case other than
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the case that is presently pending before the court. Mister Goldberger, Okay,
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fair enough, All right, folks. We're gonna wrap up this
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episode right here, and the next episode dealing with the topic,
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We're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
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the information that goes with this episode can be found
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in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
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another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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gonna pick up where we left off with the Courtney
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Wild deposition. Mister Goldberger, at any time did the FBI agents,
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Did any FBI agent tell you that mister Epstein was
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pleading guilty in state court to avoid federal prosecution SCROLLA
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same objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger. Did you ask the FBI
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at any time to speak to prosecutors prior to mister
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Epstein entering into his guilty plea SCROLLA same objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger.
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Did you have the prosecutor's phone numbers so you could
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call her scrolla Sam objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger. Did you
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in fact receive a victims notification letter SCROLLA same objection,
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same instruction, Goldberger, And on that letter did it not
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have the prosecutor's direct dial number scrolla, same objection, same instruction, Goldberger.
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And did the prosecutor in the in fact tell you
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in person that you could call her at any time
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to discuss this matter? Scrola, same objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger.
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Do you recall receiving a letter from Miss Villa Fauna
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when you met with her at the FBI at publics
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in two thousand and seven? Scrolla, same objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger.
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Do you deny that you had Miss Villa Fauna's direct
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phone number to call her if you so decided, mister Scrola,
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Sam objection, Sam instruction. Mister Goldberger, do you know whether
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the non prosecution agreement made it easier for you to
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seek damages against mister Epstein? Scrolla Sam objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger?
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How many times did you meet with the FBI at
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publics to discuss the non prosecution agreement involving Jeffrey Epstein
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scrolla Sam objection, Sam instruction. Also repetitious, mister Goldberger, Well,
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I want to make sure I have a record, Scrola.
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You do, Goldberger, Okay, I don't think you're wearing a robe,
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so I'm going to decide whether I have a record? Okay?
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Do you recall being interviewed by Special Agent Nesbit Kirkandahl
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in August of two thousand and seven the witness, I
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can't remember the exact dates when I met her, Goldberger,
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Do you recall when you did meet with her? At
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no time did you ask to conform with anyone from
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the government about any potential criminal charges decisions, or about
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any partial resolution of the matter involving Jeffrey Epstein scrolla
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same objection Sam instruction, also leading Goldberger. Is it true
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that between the time of that interview in August of
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two thousand and seven and September of two thousand and seven,
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when mister Epstein signed his non prosecution agreement, you never
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contacted either Agent Nesbit Kirkandahl or coagent asking for information
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about the investigation or asking to confer with anyone from
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the government about potential criminal charges decisions, or about the
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resolution of the matter? Scrolla same objection Sam instruction leading
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compound Goldberger. Do you recall being interviewed by Agent Nesbit Kirkandahl,
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Marie Villafauna, assist in the United States Attorney and Maisha
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Braden from the Justice Department in January, specifically January thirty
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first of two thousand and eight. Answer, Now, who was
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it that I met with Goldberger? While I'm asking you
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whether you did meet with them? First of all, Okay,
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January thirty first, two thousand and eight, did you participate
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in an interview with Marie Vilafauna that's the Assistant United
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States Attorney, Special Agent Nesbit Kirkandaal and Maysha my Yesha
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Braden from the Justice Department. Answer, I think that's the
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time I met with I told you that I met
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with a group of people and they were just going
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over the victim service like stuff that could they offer
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me to get therapy and stuff like that. I believe
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that's the time. I'm not even one hundred percent sure,
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and I can't remember the people's names that I met with.
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Question I understand that. Do you also remember, by the way,
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meeting with Villy Ferrer, the US attorney, the acting US Attorney.
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Answer huh huh question No answer, No, I don't question. Okay,
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do you recall getting a letter from Special Master Judge
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Davis identifying Robert Josephsberg, an attorney that the court would
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find to help sue mister Epstein for a restitution. Answer.
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I believe I did receive a mail or a letter
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stating something like that that they would give me an attorney,
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but I can't remember exactly what it said. Question Okay,
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you elected not to take advantage of that you use
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mister Edwards as your attorney? Answer? Yeah, I think by
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the time you might have been my attorney already. Yeah.
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Question okay, And the lawsuit that mister Epstein filed SCROLLA,
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the record will reflect that the you in that response
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is a reference to mister Edwards Goldberger. Okay. By the way,
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I'm done, I think I'm done with the areas that
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I want to proffer about the NPA, so we're going
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to move on to some other stuff. Have you ever
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actually reviewed the complaint that mister Edwards filed on your behalf? Answer?
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What complaint? Question the lawsuit? Answer? Yeah, question okay, you
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reviewed it. I'm going to read you part of the
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complaint that you said that you've reviewed. The plaintiff is
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included in the list of victims identified by the Federal SCROLLA.
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Excuse me? Would you identify what you were reading from Goldberger?
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The complaint that your client filed SCROLLA you mean the
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complaint that mister Edwards filed on behalf of Miss Wild Goldberger,
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the complaint that your client, Brad Edwards filed on behalf
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of Miss Wild. Yeah, SCROLLA. And the complaint had subsequent
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amendments Goldberger right, SCROLLA. So are you reading from the
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original complaint or the amended complaint? Goldberger? It's the same
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whether it's in the complaint or the amended complaint. The
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paragraph that we're going to talk about is in both.
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So you could use the amendic complane or you could
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use the original complaint. Edwards, what paragraph Goldberger? Paragraph twenty SCROLLA.
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I'm sorry which one Goldberger twenty and it may be
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twenty two in the amended complaint, but it's the same
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exact paragraph. SCROLLA. Well, I have it in front of me,
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of the third amendic complane, Goldberger. Can I take a
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look at it? Maybe I can make the record better
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if I take a look at it. Okay. Mister Edward's
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on your filed several complaints, amended several complaints answer right
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question okay, And you're aware of the federal lawsuit. He
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also prepared answer right answer the CVR question, No answer,
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which lawsuit? Are we talking about? Question? Well, let's hold
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that thought. Well, come back, I'm not talking about the
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cvr A case. Answer okay, I'm talking about another lawsuit
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that he prepared, and we'll come back to that in
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a minute. By the way, when you worked at the
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strip clubs before you were eighteen, did you have an
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adult entertainment card? Answer? No? Question do you know what
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that is? Answer? Yeah? Question okay, what is it? Answer?
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It's a license that you have to have to dance.
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They made it that you have to have it now,
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But before you didn't have to have it, but some
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people did if they would go out of the county,
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like out of Palm Beach County. Question yeah, And how
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old do you have to be to get that adult
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entertainment card? Answer eighteen? Question okay, so you're a answering
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without a card before you were eighteen? Answer I was
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dancing without a card before I was eighteen. Question okay,
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how about before you were eighteen? Were you dancing without
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a card? Answer? No? Question, No you were not. Answer
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I wasn't dancing before. A couple times that I would
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go dance, like one night I went to a strip
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club with a bunch of my friends, and I got
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on the stage and made some money and that was it.
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But I wasn't like working there. I wasn't even supposed
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to be on stage or anything like that. Question all right,
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at any time when you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house,
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were you there ever any drugs there? Answer no question.
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Did you ever see any drugs there? Answer no question.
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Were you ever given alcohol when you were at mister
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Epstein's home? Answer no question. Did you ever see mister
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Epstein drink? Answer no question. When I say drink, I
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mean alcohol? Answer right? Question Okay, were you ever given
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any pills or drugs at mister Epstein's home? Answer no. Oh.
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Question did mister Epstein ever give you advice about not
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using illegal drugs? Answer no question. Are you sure of that?
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Answer not? To my knowledge, I can't remember him saying
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anything about it. Question Okay, do you remember telling the
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FBI agents that you were interviewed on August seventh of
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two thousand and seven, that mister Epstein counseled you not
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to use any drugs? Answer? I don't remember. Brad Edwards's
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objection improper impeachment if the witness can see the statement, Goldberger,
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you don't remember, would you read the memorandum of interview
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dated August seventh, two thousand and seven. I'm going to
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direct you. I only have one copy. You want to
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look at it first? SCROLLA, Yeah, thank you. Is there
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a particular section you want to call attention to? Goldberger? Yeah? Actually? Maybe?
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Do I have another copy? No? Different interview. SCROLLA. Do
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you want to mark the section that you'd like us
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to look at? Goldberger? I might? Here you go. Do
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you have the first two pages that go with the document? Goldberger?
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I do not. Maybe I do? Yeah, no, different interview.
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We have not the complete document. But I'm concerned about
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a specific reference in the memorandum of interview concerning whether
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mister Epstein advised the witness to not use controlled substance
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and showing her the document to refresh her recollection. Mister
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Scola and both we and the witness have a right
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to review the document in its entirety. I'm going to
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object to its use in partial form. Goldberger. Here you go.
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Here's the whole document. SCROLLA, thank you. Do you have
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this document in unredacted form so we can identify who
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these people are? Goldberger? It has never been provided, as
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you know, as a former prosecutor. Mister Scrolla, certain items
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are privileged and protected, and that is what we receive
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from the FBI. Scrolla. But that's not a response to
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my question. Goldberger. Yeah, well, Scrolla, do you have this
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document in an unredacted form so that we can identify
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who the interviewee and interviewers are? Coldberger. I've given you everything. Actually,
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we probably took it off the discovery you provided to us,
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So you have everything that we have Scrolla, Okay, thank you.
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And you would like the witness to look at three
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lines that are highlighted. Well, you have one line highlighted actually,
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but do you want her to look at all three
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lines in that very short paragraph? Mister Goldberger. If I've
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highlighted one line and you think the question is or
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requires her to look at the three lines, she may
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look at the three lines. Scrolla. Well, the one line
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you highlighted for the record read Epstein with massages said
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that Epstein tried to provide her Coldberger, Okay, is there
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more there? I mean, I don't want to play games
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if you think there's more Scrolla. I don't want to
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play games either. I just want to know what it
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is you want to call the witnesses attention to Goldberger.
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I'm highlighting the entire paragraph redacted use the legal drugs
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during the year. I'll read it into the recorded used
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illegal drugs during the year she provided Epstein with massages,
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where dacted said that Epstein tried to provide her with
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advice regarding controlled substance. That's what I'm asking you. Whether
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it refreshes your memory as to whether mister Epstein ever
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gave you advice about using illegal drugs. Answer, I can't
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remember that. SCROLLA. I would like this document marked as
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an exhibit to the deposition. Goldberger. We can do it
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in a moment. We'll put it over there. SCROLLA. Do
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you mind if I just write exhibit number one on
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the bottom right hand corner. Goldburger, Well, let me make
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sure my notes. SCROLLA. There's no notes on it, Goldberger.
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Let me take a look at it, SCROLLA, except for
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your yellow highlighting. Goldberger, let me take a look at it.
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One copy. I think I put some notes on sure, SCROLLA.
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Thank you for the record. I am marking this document
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consisting of five pages, and I'm placing exhibit number one
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in the lower right hand corner, whereupon exhibit number one
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was marked for identification. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap
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up this episode right here, and in the next episode
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dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we
25:06
left off. All of the information that goes with this
25:09
episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off
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with the Courtney Wild deposition Koldberger, have you ever referred
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to Jeffrey Epstein as a fucking Jew? Answer? I may
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have question When did you do that? Ma'am? When did
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you refer to mister Epstein as a fucking Jew? Answer?
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I don't know. In my past, I may have said that. Question.
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How many times have you referred to mister Epstein as
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a fucking Jew? Answer? I don't remember. Question more than once? Answer? Yes,
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question that was hateful? Answer, Yes, it was. Question that
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was antisemitic. Answer yes, question. How many people have you called?
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How many have you said torit that? Have you told
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more than one person that mister Epstein was a fucking Jew? Answer? Yes? Possibly.
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Question and as you sit here today, you don't know
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who you made that anti semitic remark to answer, I
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can't remember who I said that to. Question when was
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the first time you met mister Edwards? Answer, let's see,
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it's been probably I can't remember how long it's been
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since I met you. It's been a while. Question do
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you know how you met mister Edwards? Answer yes, through
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Jay Howell. Question Jay Howel's a lawyer? Answer yes. Question
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would that have been back in two thousand and seven
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or two thousand and eight? Perhaps? Answer that sounds about right? Yeah.
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Question okay, do you know Paul Cassel? Answer yes? Question okay,
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have you met Paul Cassel? Answer yes? Question How many
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times have you met Paul Cassell? Answer maybe three times?
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Question okay, once when you were brought over in custody
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for the mediation in the CVR case. Answer yes, question,
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and you met some other times? Answer yes, question to
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other times? Answer yes. Question Okay. You know you're plaintiff
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in the CVR A case. Right answer yes. Question okay,
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did you sign any kind of agreement letter on that case? Answer?
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I don't understand what that means? Question sure, when you
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sued Epstein for money, you signed a contract? Right answer right? Question,
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and is set forth the terms for which mister Edwards
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was going to represent you? Right? Answer right? Question? Did
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you sign one of those on the CVR A case?
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Also answer? I don't believe so. No question. Okay? Are
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you funding the cvr case in any way? Answer? No question? Okay?
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Can I see the document? Please? How old were you
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when you first met mister Epstein? Answer? I was fourteen?
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Question do you remember telling the FBI that you were
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close to sixteen when you met mister Epstein? Answer? I
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don't remember saying that question? Would A refresh your memory?
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To look at the exhibit that mister as mart as
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Exhibit one, and let me direct you to the second
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full paragraph SCROLLA. May I see it first? Please? And
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your question is does this paragraph refresh Miss Wilde's recollection
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that she told the FBI that she was sixteen? Goldberger?
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Very good? Correct? SCROLA. Do you want to read that
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paragraph again? Goldberger? Sure? SCROLLA. Whether that's the question that
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you want to ask since it doesn't say anything like that.
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In fact, it says she was fifteen. Mister Goldberger, who
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was close to turning sixteen? Did you tell the FBI? SCROLLA? Well?
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Is there a difference between being fifteen and sixteen? Goldberger?
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Not really not in my mind. Scrolla okay, Goldberger, okay,
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SCROLLA and not mister Epstein's either, I guess. Goldberger, okay,
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Move to strike question. Did you tell the FBI that
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you were close to sixteen when you first met mister Epstein? Answer?
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I can't really remember me ever saying I was sixteen
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years old? Okay. Do you remember telling mister Epstein when
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you first met him that you were eighteen? Answer? No question, okay,
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with a refresher memory, to look at the memorandum of
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interview concerning the interview you did with the FBI in
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August of two thousand and seven, and what you told
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the agent about what you told mister Epstein. Is your age? Scarrola?
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Excuse me, I'm going to object to the form of
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the question. It assumes that there are dactions in that document,
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which obviously you relate to multiple individuals, identify miss Wilde
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as a particular speaker. Goldberger, Okay. Having said that, would
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you look at that and see if it refreshes your
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recollection as to whether you told mister Epstein when you
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first met him that you were sixteen years old? SCROLLA,
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the same second paragraph, Goldberger, same second paragraph. Thank you
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the last line of the second paragraph, SCROLLA. The last
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line Goldberger. Uh huh, Courtney, No, I don't remember saying that,
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mister Goldberger. Okay. Did you in fact tell mister Epstein
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that you were eighteen when you first met him? Answer?
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No question. Did you tell them how old you were? Answer?
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I don't believe I ever told him how old I was. No, Goldberger, Okay,
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here you go. I'm going to go into some additional
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questions about the CVRA. I recognize that you're going to
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instruct the witness not to answer the questions, and so
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we have some ground rules for this is the time
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the objections that it's irrelevant and she does not have
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the ability to consult with her lawyer, or do you
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want me to ask the questions? First SCROLLA, No, that's
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not an accurate statement. Goldberger. Will give me your accurate assessment.
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Then SCROLLA, yeah, the questions are irrelevant, immaterial, not reasonably
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calculated to lead to the discovery of relevant and material information. Goldberger, Okay. SCROLLA.
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In addition to that, the witness was not noticed as
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being deposed in a separate CVR action, her counsel with
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regard to the separate CVRA action, we're not noticed. Therefore,
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her counsel have not had the opportunity to consult with
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her regarding giving testimony in the separate CVR action. So
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those are the objections that were previously raised, in addition
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to others stated as to the specific questions. They are
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the objections that I will incorporate simply by saying same objection,
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same instruction, for purposes of not burdening the record with
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repetition of the same objection and sam instruction. Mister Goldberger,
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have you now stated all of the objections you want
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to stay concerning any objections or questions I'm going to
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have concerning the CVRA subject to a specific question? SCROLLA,
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I've stated all of the objections that I wish to
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incorporate in abbreviated objections and instruction. Goldburger, okay. What were
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your goals as a plaintiff in filing the CVRA case?
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SCROLLA objection, Goldburger, okay? Was one of your goals to
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invalidate the non prosecution agreement? SCROLLA objection? Edwards, can we
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just take one second? Goldberger? Yeah, you want to talk
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to her, That's fine. They paused. Now they're back and
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Goldberger is asking questions again, Goldberger, are you good? Scrolla yeah? Goldberger, Okay.
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Have you ever discussed with TAITA. Miller the filing of
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the CVRA SCROLLA same objection, Goldberger. Have you ever discussed
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with any non lawyer or someone working for a lawyer
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the reasons for filing the CVRA case? SCROLLA objection, Goldberger.
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Do you realize that if you prevail on the CVRA
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case and the non prosecution agreement is ruled void, any
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civil settlement that relied on the civil victims rights that
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case could be vacated? SCROLLA same objection, Sam instruction also
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calls for a legal conclusion Goldberger, Okay, SCROLLA based upon
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an improper hypothesis? Goldberger? Are you seeking an apology from
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the government for the filing of the CVRA? SCROLLA same objection,
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same instruction, Goldberger, is that important to you, ma'am? SCROLLA objection, Goldberger?
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Are you attempting to punish Jeffrey Epstein by causing the
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loss of the non prosecution agreement? Goldberger, Sam objection, Courtney Wilde,
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what was the question? Goldberger? Are you attempting to punish
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Jeffrey Epstein by causing the non prosecution agreement? To be
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set aside. Answer, I just feel like justice should be
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served and he should be put in jail for the
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crimes that he committed. Question Okay, do you blame him
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for being in jail right now, ma'am? Answer? No, I've
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made my own choices, but I do believe that a
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lot of the trauma that I have is due to
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what happened to me when I was a young girl,
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because of Jeffrey. Question I want to talk to you
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a little bit about Tita Miller. When did you first
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meet her? Answer? When I was like thirteen or fourteen
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years old? Question and was Tita Miller younger or older
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than you? Answer? Younger? Question how much younger? Answer? She's
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like a year younger than me. Question Okay, when did
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you meet her? Though? Answer? I met her through a friend?
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Question did you meet her at a party? Perhaps? Answer
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I can't remember exactly. I know I met her through
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a friend though. Question Uh huh, okay, what friend was that? Answer?
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I think a boy that I was dating named Jesse.
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Answer but we were just friends at first. But I
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think that's how maybe I can't remember. I can't remember.
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Question do you know a boy named Bobby? Answer? Uh, huh.
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Question okay, do you know where that party was? Answer no,
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I wouldn't remember. Question okay, would you consider Tatum Miller
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to be your good friend when you first met her?
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Answer yeah? Question okay, and does she continue to be
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your good friend? Answer we're still friends? Question okay. Answer
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I haven't talked to her in a while, though. Answer okay.
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Was there a time where you lived actually Tatum Miller's
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father that you live at his house? Answer yes, Question
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okay when was that? Answer when I was fourteen? Fifteen?
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For two years? Answer okay. Did you ever have sex
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with Tata Miller? Answer no, not when I was a
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young girl. I don't think that we did. Question okay,
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did you ever have oral sex with Tata Miller prior
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to being eighteen? Answer yes? Question okay, when did that
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take place? Answer? I can't remember. Question was it at
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a party or was it in private? Answer? I can't remember.
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Question okay, but do you remember having oral sex with her?
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Answer I know that we have. Yes. Do you know
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how many times that you've had oral sex with Tata Miller?
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Answer no? Question okay, is Tata Miller the one who
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recruited you to go to Jeffrey Epstein's home. Answer yes.
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Question okay, did you go to mister Epstein's house together
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the first time? Answer yeah, Question okay, At other times
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that you may have been at mister Epstein's house, did
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you see Tata Miller there? Answer? If I didn't go
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with her. Sometimes I'd go by myself. Sometimes I'd bring girls.
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I never went there and Tatum was there. Question okay,
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did you ever talk to her about mister Epstein? Answer yes.
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Question okay, what discussions did you have mister Epstein? Answer?
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I can't remember the discussions now what we talked about.
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Question do you know if miss Miller had ever claimed
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whether mister Epstein was physically violent to her? Answer? I
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don't believe she's ever said that to me. Question okay,
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did miss Miller tell you in going to Goldberger you
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can go ahead, Edwards. I feel like that canteen would
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be useful right now the witness, Yeah, Goldberger go off
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the record for a second. They go off, then their
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back back on. I saw it coming. Question did miss
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Miller tell you that, in going to mister Epstein's house,
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your choice to get naked was in fact a choice
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that you could make? Answer? Yeah, she said that he
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would be like if I took off all my clothes,
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but I didn't have to. I could keep my panties
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on if I wanted to. Question, Okay, did miss Miller
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tell you to lie about your age when going to
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mister Epstein's house? No question? Now, did Miss Miller tell
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you that is part of the massage, mister Epstein would
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ejaculate into his own head? And answer? Yeah, she did
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tell me that question Uh huh. And did she tell
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you that prior to your going there? Answer? She really didn't.
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I can't remember if she said that to me or not.
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For some reason, I want to say she didn't, but
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it's been so long I don't know. Question. So your
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recollection is at some point Miss Miller told you that
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mister Epstein would ejaculate into his hand. Yes, I think so. Question,
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but you don't remember when she told you this? Answer right? Question? Okay,
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had he ever ejaculated into his hand while you were
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massaging him prior to Miss Miller telling you that he
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being mister Epstein? I'm sorry. Answer, I mean the first
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time I went ever met him, that's what he did.
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He ejaculated into his own hand. After the first time,
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we didn't really have to talk about it, because that's
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something that did happen. Question, so you have a recollection
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of miss Miller having told you that mister Epstein would
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ejaculate into his hand during a massage. Answer, I can't
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remember if she told me or not. Question, Okay, Courtney,
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do y'all want to take a break? Mister Scrolla, sure,
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if you'd like to, Courtney, yeah, Scrolla Yes, all right, folks.
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So we're gonna take a break as well, and in
38:15
the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick
38:18
up where we left off. All of the information that
38:20
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.