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Pizza Beer, KOC’s role in the Vikings QB situation, and Paying a WR2 | TSH Ep. 149 · The Skol Hop

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Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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Speaker 1: of the School Hop. I'm Evan, I'm Austin. Were's a
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Speaker 1: couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer and
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Speaker 1: talking about the Vikings.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And the beer we had tonight was
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Speaker 2: really good and uh, it was probably more at home
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Speaker 2: met a pizzeria.
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Speaker 1: It was surprisingly good though it's kind of kind of
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Speaker 1: reminded me of a lunchable a little bit. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: you'll have to listen to find out what we mean
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Speaker 1: by that, but we couldn't avoid talking about the Vikings quarterbacks.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we're going to be talking about
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Speaker 2: the Vikings quarterback position until they announced a starter for sure,
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Speaker 2: and then probably you know, forever after that. But then
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Speaker 2: we moved on to the wide receiver position a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a pretty notable player who recently got a
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Speaker 1: big contract extension and we compared that to a current
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Speaker 1: Vikings player.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of fun, great episodes. So
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Speaker 2: go ahead and grab a cold one and join us
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Speaker 2: for episode one of the Skull Hop.
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Speaker 3: Skull Skull.
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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna start with some fan mail. We
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Speaker 1: got some fan mail yeah, it wasn't delivered via the mail.
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Speaker 1: But I had some friends a friend, longtime friend, college friend,
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Speaker 1: high school friend, friend of the show, friend of the show.
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Speaker 1: His family stayed here at my house and actually one
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Speaker 1: of his kids stayed right here in the schoolhop studio.
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Speaker 2: How lucky is he?
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Speaker 1: And I came upon a note that he left us.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know he left us. Your friend's kid, your
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Speaker 1: friend know our friend. Yeah, affectionately known as Dick Davies. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he left us this note, so I figured i'd read
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Speaker 1: it on the air. Maybe he's listening. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: he better be. Here's what it says, Dick Davies was here,
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Speaker 1: so he's just announcing his presence, which he was. I
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Speaker 1: can verify that. He goes on to say, gentlemen, remember
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Speaker 1: not to waste any beer. Never waste beer.
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Speaker 3: Never.
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Speaker 2: That's how he would sit. I learned that that was
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Speaker 2: quieter than how he would normally. True, he would scream it.
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Speaker 1: But I learned that valuable lesson from Dick Davies a
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Speaker 1: long time ago. Finally, he says, if the Vikings win
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, you can both slap me in the face.
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Speaker 1: So we've got a slap bet We've got a slap
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Speaker 1: bet with the one and only Dick Davies. Did he
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Speaker 1: put did he say this year? I just think it
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Speaker 1: was open ended. It just says, if the Vikings win
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Speaker 1: a Super.
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Speaker 2: Bowl, we got it in ink here.
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Speaker 1: It's in red ink on that piece of paper. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna hold you to that, Dick Davies. So if you're listening,
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Speaker 1: if the Vikings win the Super Bowl fifty years from
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Speaker 1: now and we're like eighty five, we're gonna we're gonna
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Speaker 1: slap you in the face.
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Speaker 2: Yeah I will. At the same time, should we practice
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Speaker 2: or is this gonna be one of those like how
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Speaker 2: I met your mother? Like we just hold it over him.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna go to slap Mountain and learn how to
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Speaker 1: learn how to slap from White Flower and I don't
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Speaker 1: remember any of the other Yeah, I don't remember him. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Oh this is the slap party Stinson.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll teach you all right.
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Speaker 1: Anyways, Well that was fun.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dick Davies. We will we will hold you
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Speaker 2: to that.
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Speaker 1: You brought some beer today, Yeah, tell us about it.
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Speaker 2: So this one is from one of our favorites, Adventurous
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Speaker 2: Brewing in our hometown. Here and this one is called Adventuroso.
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Speaker 2: It's a zero point four percent beer. This is a lager,
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Speaker 2: and what got me was that they call it a
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Speaker 2: pizza inspired lager. They just say Adventuroso is a bold
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Speaker 2: Italian style pizza lager, brewed with a nod to the
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Speaker 2: classic flavors of a wood fired pizza rha crisp and refreshing.
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Speaker 2: So I don't have I don't know what this is
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Speaker 2: going to taste like. It's a lager, so I would
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Speaker 2: think kind of light flavor. But I mean, I have
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Speaker 2: no idea how this is going to taste. I like pizza, Evan,
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Speaker 2: do you like pizza? I love pizza, Red Blooded America.
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Speaker 1: Probably one of my favorite things to eat. I'm smelling it, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you get like the like a regano okay type
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Speaker 1: vibe A little bit from the smell. It's not bad, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I could see that in a beer. It's different.
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Speaker 2: But I'm intrigued. That's the only reason I got this
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Speaker 2: is it sounded interesting.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know that it can be any worse
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Speaker 1: than the pickle beer, which, by the way, I have
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Speaker 1: one more can one more tall boy of the pickle
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Speaker 1: beer in my garage fridge. It may end up on
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Speaker 1: the purple punishment.
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Speaker 2: I think we can just confidently say that's one of
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Speaker 2: purple punishments. Evan. I'm not impressed by your poor there.
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Speaker 2: Well is that the whole can that you just poured in?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I pour like a sensible human being. Most
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Speaker 1: of the no you've come around, I had, But there
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Speaker 1: were there was a time where we were drinking like
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Speaker 1: stouts and porters, and it was just like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a lagger. You don't want it
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Speaker 1: to be, y'all true?
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Speaker 2: All right, so let's let's dive in school.
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Speaker 1: School.
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Speaker 2: Mmm.
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Speaker 1: I get the pizza vibe for sure. It's not bad.
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Speaker 1: It kind of tastes like it kind of tastes like
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Speaker 1: those lunchables, you know, the pizza lunchables that you used
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Speaker 1: to get as a kid. It tastes like that, kind of.
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Speaker 2: Like the sauce.
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Speaker 1: The sauce.
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Speaker 2: It's like a specific if you But it's not bad.
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Speaker 2: Nothing's gross about this.
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Speaker 1: It's actually really good.
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Speaker 2: It's like you just unlocked something. It's just that lunchable pizza, sauce,
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Speaker 2: beer is what this is.
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Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a little bit of tomato
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Speaker 1: vibe to it, which again isn't bad. And then it's
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Speaker 1: got a regano like I get all this oragano in there,
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Speaker 1: which is pretty common in tomato sauce, pizza sauce, you know,
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Speaker 1: spaghetti sauce.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like the.
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Speaker 1: Lunchables pizza sauce.
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Speaker 2: It's like they were like they could literally call this
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Speaker 2: Lunchables pizza sauce beer, and that's what it would be.
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Speaker 2: If you can imagine that, like a carbonated logger version
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Speaker 2: of that Lunchables pizza sauce. But and I it's not bad.
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Speaker 2: There's I feel like some people could hear that and
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Speaker 2: be like that sounds awful.
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Speaker 1: We've said it like three times, so let's assure the
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Speaker 1: listener we we are this is this is a legitimately
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Speaker 1: our first tasting. Every every time we try a beer,
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Speaker 1: it's almost unless we've had the beer before, it's our
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Speaker 1: first time trying it live with you, Like we didn't
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Speaker 1: preview it before. And I don't think we're lying about this.
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Speaker 1: It is a good beer, and it's unique. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: taste like other beers. It's not an ip a.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting.
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Speaker 1: It's not a like a blue moon with like some
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Speaker 1: citrus in it. It's it's a pizza beer, but it's
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Speaker 1: it's good. I like it.
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Speaker 2: It really is a pizza beer. Like I kind of want,
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Speaker 2: you know, friend of the show, for ust to try this.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I just.
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Speaker 2: Want his opinions on this. He's like my he's my
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Speaker 2: north star on beer opinions.
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Speaker 1: So he's a little beer snobby, though he might not
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Speaker 1: he might poo poo it.
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Speaker 2: I feel no, No, I think I mean, I think
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Speaker 2: he would accept the title of beer snob, but not
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Speaker 2: in the way that like it has to be. He's
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Speaker 2: not like, protect's true, that's true. He knows a lot
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Speaker 2: about it, and he would explain to us probably.
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Speaker 1: Like why they got the flavor that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wouldn't be like, oh, it's terrible because
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Speaker 2: they didn't age Like he's not pretentious about it, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: I kind of want him to try so front of
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Speaker 2: the show, Forest, I know you're probably on a plane
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Speaker 2: right now. Go ahead, and when you get back the
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Speaker 2: Adventuro so I will say too. This is the first
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Speaker 2: time in a while and muscle memory kicked in. When
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Speaker 2: I took a sip with that big head that I
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Speaker 2: had no beer got in my mustache. Yeah, I'd shave
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Speaker 2: my beard, and my wife is super piste about it.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've got pretty well clean face right now.
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Speaker 2: And that first sip of beer, like I went to
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Speaker 2: go flick my mustache, you know, clean, and it didn't.
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Speaker 2: It didn't eat it, So that's maybe I'll keep it clean.
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Speaker 1: Speaking a friend of the show Forrest, oh, you brewed
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Speaker 1: a beard beer with him, Not not a beard, not
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Speaker 1: a beard that came out wrong. You brewed a beer
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Speaker 1: with him, like less than a week ago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, So for a while now, he's been
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Speaker 2: talking about how he's been wanting to brew an October Fest,
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Speaker 2: and I was just like, hey, let's let's do it.
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Speaker 2: And so October they're brewed a little bit or they
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Speaker 2: ferment a little bit differently. You need it more cold
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Speaker 2: than most other beers, and it takes a little bit longer,
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Speaker 2: so you start the process a little bit earlier. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: we brewed it. This is past weekend, and we'll be
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Speaker 2: able to try it and maybe not officially on the show.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we can try it on the show, but it
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Speaker 2: can't be. The main in conjunction was that because we
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Speaker 2: did brew it at his house in Illinois, ye.
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Speaker 1: That cannot be the primary beer.
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Speaker 2: Yep. I did think of a few cool names if
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Speaker 2: the school hop ever brews in Octoberfest, and I'll let
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Speaker 2: you know those off air. I don't want anybody to
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Speaker 2: steal those, so good call. Yeah, but yeah, this Adventuroso
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Speaker 2: it's interesting. It's like they were in a meeting room
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Speaker 2: one time. We're probably brewing a different beer, and they're like,
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Speaker 2: you know what, I've always wanted to try Lunchable's pizza
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Speaker 2: sauce beer, and somebody was probably just just into it
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Speaker 2: enough to say let's try it.
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Speaker 1: So I like it, you know what. I think we
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Speaker 1: could draw a compare, perhaps from this very unique beer.
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Speaker 2: I don't know where you're going.
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Speaker 1: It was so excited to the Vikings quarterback competition. I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just throwing darts.
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Speaker 2: A whole roads lead to the Vikings quarterback position.
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's he's that he's that pizza flavored beer that
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Speaker 1: the Vikings haven't tried yet, and they're gonna give him
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Speaker 1: a try this year and see what happens. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: There was a stretch, Yeah you tried, I did. I
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Speaker 1: gave it the old college try. But that is kind
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Speaker 1: of the big theme coming out of training camp. Training
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Speaker 1: camp started what like a week ago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're a solid weekend, I think as of recording. Uh,
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Speaker 2: we're on like day two or three of like full
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Speaker 2: padded practice.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: And of course today they didn't have padded practice, but
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Speaker 2: I think the first one, first padded practice was yes,
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Speaker 2: early this week, Monday, excuse me. So they're still early
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Speaker 2: and a couple of good things. Knock on wood, nobody's
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Speaker 2: hurt yet. I think James Pierre missed a day or so,
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Speaker 2: you tweak something, but it sounds like he's going to
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Speaker 2: be back, and they're still being a little cautious with
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Speaker 2: some guys. But before we dive into the quarterback position,
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Speaker 2: sounds like Caleb Banks is participating, your first round pick.
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Speaker 2: He's participating and looking good, So that is that is
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Speaker 2: nice to see. I've seen some people on Twitter say
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Speaker 2: things like, hey, if he's actually healthy, holy cow, the
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Speaker 2: Biking's got the pick of the draft. So I we
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Speaker 2: haven't attended training camp. We're not close enough. We don't
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Speaker 2: live close enough that we can do that. So we're
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Speaker 2: at the mercy of Twitter and videos and that one
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Speaker 2: guy that posted all the videos the one day when
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Speaker 2: he shouldn't have so just like everybody else, all the listeners,
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Speaker 2: that's that's where we're coming from too. But yes, it
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Speaker 2: sounds like training camp's going well, and regardless of what
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Speaker 2: you think of either quarterback, sounds like the defense, as
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Speaker 2: they always are in the beginning of training camp, is
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Speaker 2: a step ahead of the offense. But you expect that,
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Speaker 2: especially when you roll into the training camp with a
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Speaker 2: guy who's young in JJ McCarthy and another guy who
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Speaker 2: is learning this offense for the first time in Kyler
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Speaker 2: Murray so.
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Speaker 1: Well, and you also expect that because of Brian Flores,
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Speaker 1: who's just one heck of a coach, and he's got
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Speaker 1: a good core of guys coming back with like Josh Mattelis,
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Speaker 1: Blake Cashman inre Veing Ginkol like and even Dallas Turner,
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Speaker 1: who is kind of this young up and coming player. Like,
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Speaker 1: you've got a good core that you're building around. Of course,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna look good in the first couple of days
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Speaker 1: of training camp against your offense, Like, yeah, you're you're
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Speaker 1: gonna expect that. Absolutely. The quarterback conversation continues to dominate
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Speaker 1: though you are still wearing your JJ nine Jersey.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, and importantly I said, I will wear
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Speaker 2: this until it is announced that JJ is not the starter,
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Speaker 2: So this could this could go on for the next
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Speaker 2: ten years, or more likely this is one of the
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Speaker 2: final times I will be wearing this on the podcast,
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Speaker 2: so you never know. It sounds if you were to
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Speaker 2: look at Twitter and believe all the big names, it
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Speaker 2: sounds like Kyler has been more consistently good. Not perfect,
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Speaker 2: but as far as having good days and good plays,
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Speaker 2: Kyler seems to be a little bit more ahead. And
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Speaker 2: especially with the pads On, sounds like you know, over
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Speaker 2: the weekend and with pads On, Kyler was again more
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Speaker 2: consistently good. So this this might be it for JJ,
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Speaker 2: unless there's news that we haven't seen, haven't heard. But
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Speaker 2: I do want to say, if you too, listener, are
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Speaker 2: like me and are a JJ believer and a JJ fan,
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Speaker 2: it's okay, Like it's okay if Kyler Murray wins the job,
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Speaker 2: because what's most important, obviously is that the Vikings have
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Speaker 2: a good team. This year, I was listening to Alec
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Speaker 2: Lewis's podcast. I think it's just called the Alec Lewis Shows.
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Speaker 2: He's really good. I like his stuff that he posts
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Speaker 2: and writes, and obviously his podcast, and he was kind
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Speaker 2: of comparing this training camp so far to the training
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Speaker 2: camp of twenty twenty four with Sam Donald, and he
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Speaker 2: was saying, like, it's okay if you know, the offense
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Speaker 2: is looking slow a little bit, because even in training
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Speaker 2: camp with Sam Donald there wasn't a lot to be
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Speaker 2: excited about. I think he specifically pointed out that year
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Speaker 2: that they the Vikings, traveled to Cleveland and had joint
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Speaker 2: practices with the Browns, and I think he said something
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Speaker 2: about one day after a practice in Cleveland, he was
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Speaker 2: in his hotel room thinking, like, man, this season's gonna
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Speaker 2: be rough, Like Sam Donald didn't look great at all.
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Speaker 2: That looked terrible. And then Sam Donald went on to
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Speaker 2: have the season he did and earned himself a good
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Speaker 2: contract with the Seahawks, and then we know the success
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Speaker 2: he's had since then. So it's still early. I mean,
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Speaker 2: even if you're a Kyler guy or a JJ guy,
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Speaker 2: like neither of them look like Superman. We don't have
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Speaker 2: Peyton Manning on the field right now, but it's still
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Speaker 2: early and they can still play well.
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Speaker 1: And the only clips that I've seen, I've seen two.
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Speaker 1: I've seen one of Kyler and it was a deep
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Speaker 1: shot to Justin Jefferson that JJ caught.
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Speaker 2: It was it wasn't Justin Jefferson, it was unless there's
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Speaker 2: a different one.
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Speaker 1: There was a different one I think that I saw
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Speaker 1: to Justin Jefferson, but maybe there's another one.
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Speaker 2: I think the one that made the rounds was from
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Speaker 2: Kyler to Dante Fleming, number nineteen, and it was deep
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Speaker 2: to the side and Fleming caught it on the sideline
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Speaker 2: and fell down with it, and it was a fifty
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Speaker 2: ish yard pass.
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Speaker 1: There's another one that Jefferson caught on the sideline again
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Speaker 1: right side and then ran it in for a touchdown.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a touchdown, but I mean, so I saw
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Speaker 1: that one. And then there were I think one or
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Speaker 1: two throws from JJ McCarthy that were these like mid
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Speaker 1: range checkdown throws because the long route wasn't there, and
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Speaker 1: both times the receiver dropped the ball. And that's just
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Speaker 1: I think been emblematic of what people have been posting
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Speaker 1: about these guys, and like all the clickbait people, all
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Speaker 1: the rage bait people out there are posting those videos
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Speaker 1: to support their side. Oh look, Kyler's the guy. Oh look,
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Speaker 1: JJ's not the guy, right, Like, whatever you want to
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Speaker 1: do whatever, you know, pick your poison. You want to
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Speaker 1: promote the new guy, or do you want to you know,
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Speaker 1: downplay the third year kid. Whatever. I think people are
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Speaker 1: really buying into one play, one throw, one thirty second clip,
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Speaker 1: not even fifteen second clip of training camp where these
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Speaker 1: guys are literally going out every single day, working hard,
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Speaker 1: putting all sorts of stuff out there. And as we know,
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Speaker 1: because dust Vikings can't film stuff anymore, they don't want
17:19
Speaker 1: you posting all of this stuff all over the internet,
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Speaker 1: probably for this exact reason, so that it doesn't create
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Speaker 1: all this this noise and this fodder and this you know,
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Speaker 1: excess that nobody really wants exactly like you think about it,
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Speaker 1: like in our context, our jobs, like you know, if
17:38
Speaker 1: people only focused on one fifteen second spot where we
17:42
Speaker 1: either did something super amazing or we did something super
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Speaker 1: super dumb, and that's all they focused on, like, it
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be an accurate representation of what we do. So
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Speaker 1: I'm still going to hold to my position that I
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Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray is the better quarterback. I think he's
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Speaker 1: got more experience, i think he's more talented. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to allow one good throw to Justin Jefferson or
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Speaker 1: who did you say the other one was Donte Fleming.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let one good throw to one or
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Speaker 1: two guys completely sway me. I've already kind of planted
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Speaker 1: myself on that side of the equation. But training camp
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Speaker 1: is still young and there's still a lot to be determined,
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Speaker 1: and I think this would be a good chance for
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Speaker 1: us to transition to koc's interview. Yeah, was that yesterday
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Speaker 1: or today? I think I think I.
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Speaker 2: Watched it yesterday, so that would have been what's today's
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Speaker 2: day that I think it. KOC had an interview I believe,
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Speaker 2: on August third with Dan Barrero of KFN. Maybe we
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Speaker 2: can link the Yeah, we can put an interview in
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Speaker 2: the show notes here. But it was a solid interview,
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Speaker 2: and it was a lot of long winded answers from
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Speaker 2: KOC that didn't give a whole lot of context. But
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Speaker 2: I feel like, for the first time it was one
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Speaker 2: of the interviews that KFC did when he did give context.
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Speaker 2: It was solid. It wasn't just well, you know, we
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Speaker 2: like the guy and we'll see how it goes and
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Speaker 2: move on. It was like a little bit of detail,
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Speaker 2: and there's even a couple of times in the interview
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Speaker 2: he was like, well, now I'm getting two into x's
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Speaker 2: and o's here. But yeah, there was one specific question
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Speaker 2: that I thought was kind of bold for Dan Burrow
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Speaker 2: to ask, and he basically said, like, oh, hey, Chris
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Speaker 2: Carter recently had a quote somewhere on a podcast that
19:39
Speaker 2: basically said like Quacy was the driving force in selecting
19:44
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy specifically, and then everybody else just had to
19:49
Speaker 2: live with it. And of course Koc his response didn't
19:53
Speaker 2: say like, oh yeah, Coraycy was the only guy that
19:55
Speaker 2: wanted JJ, like, he didn't say anything about that. He
19:58
Speaker 2: actually said like, well, I can't really speak to Chris
20:00
Speaker 2: Carter's sources, but he did kind of say a lot
20:05
Speaker 2: in what he said and what he didn't say in
20:09
Speaker 2: you know, I came away from that question thinking like, oh, well,
20:13
Speaker 2: maybe Koc wasn't the one jumping for joy for JJ McCarthy,
20:19
Speaker 2: but he was excited about it. He did mention it's
20:22
Speaker 2: a draft and you're gonna get who you can get,
20:24
Speaker 2: and maybe you like a guy he didn't say this specifically,
20:27
Speaker 2: but maybe you like a guy that gets drafted higher,
20:29
Speaker 2: and you take who you can and you work with that.
20:33
Speaker 2: But then he put the focus less on the player
20:36
Speaker 2: they took in JJ McCarthy being good or bad, and
20:39
Speaker 2: he shifted that focus to you still got to develop
20:42
Speaker 2: a quarterback. You could draft Peyton Manning number one overall,
20:47
Speaker 2: but you still have to develop him into Peyton Manning,
20:49
Speaker 2: like he's not gonna be a Hall of Fame or
20:51
Speaker 2: first practice. And he pointed out, how I forget exactly
20:55
Speaker 2: what he said, but he basically said, like we've had
20:58
Speaker 2: ten games with this guy, and ten football games in
21:01
Speaker 2: three years. Is the exact quote that he said, which
21:04
Speaker 2: you pointed out isn't accurate because JJ's heading into his
21:06
Speaker 2: third year right now. But yeah, Koc basically put the
21:11
Speaker 2: onus on development and how they're the best way to
21:15
Speaker 2: develop is being on the field. And he said they tried,
21:19
Speaker 2: you know, the the VR headsets, and they tried all
21:22
Speaker 2: kinds of things, and it's nothing really replaces the idea
21:26
Speaker 2: of getting the reps on the field in games and
21:28
Speaker 2: in practice and training programs and everything like that. And
21:34
Speaker 2: the unfortunate reality of JJ, whether you like him or not,
21:37
Speaker 2: is that he has not had the same amount of
21:40
Speaker 2: time to develop as Caleb Williams or Drake may or
21:44
Speaker 2: bow Nix, who were all drafted in the same draft class.
21:48
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting too is the context with KOC
21:52
Speaker 1: because he's notorious for saying he's infamous for saying quarterbacks
21:58
Speaker 1: don't fail organizations. Organization's fail quarterbacks. Yeah, and you know,
22:04
Speaker 1: I think somebody and maybe they've already kind of flagged
22:09
Speaker 1: Quacy as the scapegoat, but somebody's gonna have to answer
22:12
Speaker 1: for the top ten draft pick because the Vikings have
22:15
Speaker 1: never taken a quarterback in the top ten before JJ.
22:20
Speaker 1: And right, I don't even think fran Tarkenton was a
22:23
Speaker 1: top ten.
22:23
Speaker 2: No, he was. No, I think he wasn't even a
22:26
Speaker 2: first rounder. But that was when the draft was.
22:29
Speaker 1: The draft was different back then. But still, like the
22:31
Speaker 1: point remains, JJ was the highest drafted quarterback ever in
22:37
Speaker 1: Vikings history. And if he turns out to be what
22:41
Speaker 1: I think he will probably be as a bust, somebody's
22:45
Speaker 1: gonna have to answer for that. And maybe they moved
22:49
Speaker 1: on from Quacy too soon.
22:53
Speaker 2: But like I won't agree with you on that, but
22:56
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying.
22:58
Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that, maybe they moved on from Quaycy
23:00
Speaker 1: too soon for Koc's sake, because JJ is still with
23:06
Speaker 1: the team, and JJ could still play, and Koc could
23:11
Speaker 1: still make the head coach's decision to put JJ in
23:15
Speaker 1: the game at any point during the season, regardless of
23:21
Speaker 1: anything else that's going on, Kyler's healthy or not, Kyler's
23:25
Speaker 1: playing well or not, Like at any point Kosi could
23:27
Speaker 1: just say get out there nine and see what happens,
23:30
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, maybe that's not the best
23:33
Speaker 1: for Koc for his longevity with the Vikings. I guess
23:36
Speaker 1: that's the point I'm trying to make, Like, you know,
23:39
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not saying they should have held on to Quacy,
23:43
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm trying to say. But I think
23:45
Speaker 1: I am trying to say, like I want them to
23:48
Speaker 1: hang on a Koc because I think he's a good coach,
23:50
Speaker 1: and I don't want. What I don't want as a
23:53
Speaker 1: fan is I don't want this whole situation with JJ
23:56
Speaker 1: McCarthy to cloud Kos's judgment when it comes down to
24:01
Speaker 1: making the best decision for the team. And he even
24:03
Speaker 1: said that in that interview. He said, you know, what
24:05
Speaker 1: it comes down to is what's best for this team
24:08
Speaker 1: and what puts us in the best position to be competitive.
24:12
Speaker 1: And he's absolutely right. He's we know this about KOs.
24:15
Speaker 1: He's really good at saying all the right things, and
24:17
Speaker 1: he's really he's pretty good at interviews.
24:19
Speaker 2: Like he's yeah, he's good sounding in interviews, but he
24:22
Speaker 2: also doesn't give a whole bunch of information.
24:24
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I think that makes him good at
24:26
Speaker 1: interviews because he's very strategic and he's very scripted and
24:30
Speaker 1: he's very careful with what he says, you know. But
24:34
Speaker 1: what I don't want him to do is I don't
24:36
Speaker 1: want him to get caught up in all this and
24:38
Speaker 1: think to himself, well, if I don't do anything with
24:41
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, then he and I are both going down together,
24:44
Speaker 1: because I don't think that's the reality. But I think
24:46
Speaker 1: that's maybe the stigma that's that's maybe the like that
24:52
Speaker 1: underlying like thorn to this whole thing is like, well,
24:58
Speaker 1: if JJ McCarthy doesn't work out out, well, Qracy's gone,
25:01
Speaker 1: so it's no longer his fault, it's Kos's fault because
25:04
Speaker 1: he's still with the organization. Like there's that recency biased
25:07
Speaker 1: kind of thing that could factor in. I don't know,
25:09
Speaker 1: maybe I'm reading into that a little too.
25:10
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see that thought process, but I'll
25:13
Speaker 2: kind of twist it a little bit and kind of
25:17
Speaker 2: think of it in a different way. I think the
25:20
Speaker 2: punishment has already been made for. It's already been atoned for,
25:25
Speaker 2: the sin has been if it let's just say it's
25:29
Speaker 2: already you know, agreed upon, which it's not. But let's
25:32
Speaker 2: just say JJ McCarthy already a bust and will never
25:35
Speaker 2: be great in the NFL. I'm not saying that's the case.
25:39
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, let's just let's pretend that's the case.
25:42
Speaker 2: Right now, someone's already been fired for that. Like the
25:46
Speaker 2: punishment has already been doled out for that. I think
25:52
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell, he's kind of free roll rolling this year
25:57
Speaker 2: no matter what. I don't think. I don't think the
25:58
Speaker 2: quarterback will get O'Connell fired this year. If Kevin O'Connell
26:02
Speaker 2: is fired after this year, it will be because of
26:04
Speaker 2: something else. But if you think about the quarterback situation specifically,
26:09
Speaker 2: like he can just say, like I tried with JJ
26:12
Speaker 2: and it obviously wasn't gonna work. Quasi has already been
26:16
Speaker 2: fired for JJ pretty much and I tried, and we
26:19
Speaker 2: brought in Kyler, and let's just say in this scenario,
26:22
Speaker 2: neither of them are great, and you know whoever starts off.
26:27
Speaker 1: He did express his love for Carson Wentz like in
26:31
Speaker 1: that interviews, like I love Carson Wentz, He's the best.
26:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. But let's just say, like they announced
26:36
Speaker 2: Kyler as a starter, and he goes out and he
26:39
Speaker 2: looks not great, and then eventually they're like, you know what,
26:42
Speaker 2: we're making the switch. JJ get in there, and then
26:45
Speaker 2: JJ comes out and he doesn't look great. I don't
26:47
Speaker 2: think that. That's why I say I don't think that
26:49
Speaker 2: quarterback situation is what will get Kevin O'Connell fired, because
26:53
Speaker 2: he could say, like I tried with both of these guys.
26:56
Speaker 2: We got to run it, you know, reset, and and
27:00
Speaker 2: then he gets another chance. I think Kevin O'Connell, you know,
27:04
Speaker 2: if these guys don't work out, gets another shot with
27:06
Speaker 2: a first round pick at quarterback, because then it'll be
27:08
Speaker 2: Nolan Teasley and Kevin O'Connell. And then if that guy
27:12
Speaker 2: doesn't work and the next guy doesn't work out, then
27:14
Speaker 2: it's a little different story.
27:15
Speaker 1: And then we bear right exactly New GM New coach,
27:19
Speaker 1: new quarterback, new GM, new coach, new quarterback.
27:22
Speaker 2: But all I'm saying is like, as far as JJ
27:24
Speaker 2: McCarthy is concerned, Kevin O'Connell is kind of free rolling
27:27
Speaker 2: because he can. The only way he can go wrong
27:30
Speaker 2: is if he throws JJ in there and it's like,
27:32
Speaker 2: all right, he's our starter week one, and then he
27:35
Speaker 2: just keeps looking bad and looking terrible, and then Kevin
27:40
Speaker 2: O'Connell never makes a switch or never changes anything, or
27:44
Speaker 2: you know, just rides the ship with a terrible looking JJ.
27:49
Speaker 2: That's the only way that I think he would look.
27:52
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell would look bad and then get fired for it,
27:54
Speaker 2: because no matter who starts off Kyler probably or JJ,
27:59
Speaker 2: if they start looking bad, switch it out like that's
28:03
Speaker 2: that could happen.
28:04
Speaker 1: But we did see, and I'm just playing devil's advocate
28:08
Speaker 1: because you did for me. We did see this last season.
28:15
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell kind of got a little shifty when it
28:18
Speaker 1: came to well why isn't JJ playing? And it was
28:21
Speaker 1: kind of this like high ankle sprain that seemed to
28:23
Speaker 1: last a really long time. Yeah, yeah, could could be,
28:29
Speaker 1: could be, But we just saw all these excuses kind
28:32
Speaker 1: of pop up too, of like, oh, well, you know,
28:35
Speaker 1: he's injured. He's injured bad, you know, and and it's
28:39
Speaker 1: gonna take a while, and that's why Carson's gonna play.
28:43
Speaker 1: And then it was, you know, JJ came back for
28:45
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and I was like, oh, yeah,
28:47
Speaker 1: he's injured again, so we're gonna start Max. And then
28:51
Speaker 1: Max was worse. And then I mean he even let
28:55
Speaker 1: JJ take himself out of the game. And I don't
28:57
Speaker 1: I don't know what the conversations were like after that,
28:59
Speaker 1: Like we were there, we were in the building when
29:01
Speaker 1: that whole thing happened.
29:03
Speaker 2: I think it was just a meaningless game.
29:06
Speaker 1: And maybe it was, but you're playing perhaps your most
29:10
Speaker 1: bitter rival at home. Doesn't matter if it's a meaningless
29:15
Speaker 1: game or not. Like I don't know if i'm his coach.
29:17
Speaker 1: At that point, I tell the kid, like, you never
29:20
Speaker 1: pull yourself out of the game, Well unless you talk
29:23
Speaker 1: to me first. Yeah, and we're both in agreement that yes,
29:26
Speaker 1: you're not in condition to play, then I will pull
29:29
Speaker 1: you out and we'll put somebody else in. But like,
29:31
Speaker 1: you don't yank yourself out before talking to me, Like
29:35
Speaker 1: that's like I'm a coach, and that's kind of rule
29:38
Speaker 1: number one for me with the kids that I coach,
29:40
Speaker 1: communicate with me, talk to me, tell me what's going
29:43
Speaker 1: on if you're hurting. Like I just had this conversation
29:46
Speaker 1: with a kid the other day. She was complaining in
29:49
Speaker 1: track season back in the spring about a knee injury,
29:52
Speaker 1: and it was the end of the season, so she
29:54
Speaker 1: was like, well, I think I can push through, and
29:56
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, So she did. She made it to
29:59
Speaker 1: the end of the season, and then we kind of
30:02
Speaker 1: kept her out at the beginning of the summer, and
30:04
Speaker 1: then midsummer we kind of got her back up and
30:07
Speaker 1: running again. And I talked to her yesterday and I said,
30:09
Speaker 1: how's the knee feeling, And she said, wow, it's feeling okay,
30:13
Speaker 1: Like I haven't really noticed anything, but like I do.
30:16
Speaker 1: I do notice. It's not when I'm running, but it's
30:18
Speaker 1: when I'm like going up the stairs, and I'm like okay.
30:23
Speaker 1: I said, well, here's the deal. If it starts to
30:25
Speaker 1: bother you at all while you're running, I need you
30:28
Speaker 1: to tell me right away, like even if it's the
30:30
Speaker 1: slightest little pain, because we want to get ahead of
30:33
Speaker 1: it and we want to prevent that, and we've got
30:36
Speaker 1: people like athletic trainers and such that can help you
30:39
Speaker 1: with that, and like the goal is to keep you going.
30:42
Speaker 1: The goal is to keep you running. And you know,
30:46
Speaker 1: I don't know that's what you would hope would happen
30:49
Speaker 1: between an NFL head coach and perhaps their most important player.
30:54
Speaker 1: Is this like really good communication between them of like
30:58
Speaker 1: tell me the moment it starts to hurt so that
31:01
Speaker 1: we can like we've got I mean, you're an NFL team,
31:04
Speaker 1: You've got access to some of the world's best doctors
31:07
Speaker 1: and trainers and all nutritionists everything you can think of,
31:11
Speaker 1: you know, and and the Vikings are consistently ranked really
31:14
Speaker 1: high all those categories when it comes to the player
31:17
Speaker 1: surveys and stuff. So you know, they've got good people
31:20
Speaker 1: working for them.
31:21
Speaker 2: So well for all we know too, they did have
31:25
Speaker 2: that conversation. We just it's none of our business, is
31:28
Speaker 2: what they would tell us. They could have had a
31:30
Speaker 2: plan like all right, JJ, you're gonna start this packer game,
31:33
Speaker 2: but but this is last year. But you know, but
31:36
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're feeling it, you gotta let me know.
31:38
Speaker 1: The picture that you took that because we were in
31:42
Speaker 1: the building and you took the picture. It made it
31:44
Speaker 1: seem like, from our perspective like Koc was a little
31:48
Speaker 1: bit blindsided by that fact and was like, all right, Max,
31:50
Speaker 1: here we go. Yeah, here's the play.
31:52
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can say blindsided, because it
31:54
Speaker 2: could have been even if they had that plan, Like
31:56
Speaker 2: all right, if you're not in it, tell me, and
31:59
Speaker 2: then once you tell me, I'm not arguing with you.
32:02
Speaker 2: Let's go here, Max, Rosemary, he's out here in Let's go.
32:05
Speaker 1: And trust me. I've been there as a coach tour,
32:08
Speaker 1: like I've I coach cross country. So it's like, when
32:11
Speaker 1: I put you on the starting line, I expect that
32:13
Speaker 1: you're gonna start the race, run the race, and finish
32:15
Speaker 1: the race, plain and simple. And I've had conversations with
32:19
Speaker 1: kids at the starting line before where it's like, well,
32:21
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'm like, all right, you're done,
32:23
Speaker 1: next one up, you know, Like I don't. I don't
32:26
Speaker 1: dilly dally on those decisions, Like if you're wavering at all,
32:31
Speaker 1: I just yank you right away. And if you don't
32:35
Speaker 1: think you can run, then you're not gonna run, you know.
32:39
Speaker 1: But maybe that's I don't know. I'm different, and cross
32:42
Speaker 1: country is different than football. I get that.
32:45
Speaker 3: But I.
32:47
Speaker 1: All this to say, I think the we are not
32:52
Speaker 1: nearly done. We're not even close to being done with
32:55
Speaker 1: this quarterback journey that we've been on.
32:58
Speaker 2: No, but I do think Starter will probably be named
33:03
Speaker 2: within the next couple times we record the school hop agreed.
33:07
Speaker 2: What is this episode one? I'd say by episode if
33:13
Speaker 2: not earlier, we're talking about how they have announced the quarterback.
33:18
Speaker 2: I would hope so, because a lot of people have
33:20
Speaker 2: said it seems like a natural time stamp on this
33:26
Speaker 2: is going to be that joint practice with the Ravens,
33:29
Speaker 2: which I think is like the sixteenth or something like that,
33:32
Speaker 2: somewhere around there of August mid August. So I think
33:35
Speaker 2: that just seems natural for KOC you to want to
33:39
Speaker 2: have a starter named so that you can go into
33:42
Speaker 2: those those practices with a true clear cut at least
33:46
Speaker 2: week one.
33:47
Speaker 1: Starter. All Right, we've definitely beat this horse to death.
33:52
Speaker 1: And I almost spilled.
33:53
Speaker 2: That, and I'm actually kind of proud with how I
33:55
Speaker 2: you did.
33:55
Speaker 1: I saved it and you did that.
33:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, the muscle wiping my mustache off is never going
34:02
Speaker 2: to go away. And then once it finally does, it'll
34:04
Speaker 2: get just long enough that I'll have to start doing
34:05
Speaker 2: it again.
34:06
Speaker 1: So well, beer two should lead us in the segment too,
34:09
Speaker 1: Let's do it. And we talked about this a little
34:11
Speaker 1: bit pre show U Zay Flowers. Was it today yesterday?
34:15
Speaker 2: I don't think it was an announcement today. Ravens wide
34:19
Speaker 2: receiver Za Flowers.
34:20
Speaker 1: He signed a four year, one hundred and forty million
34:23
Speaker 1: dollar extension with the Ravens. Which that's that's big, and
34:28
Speaker 1: it's definitely interesting for Vikings fans because he was drafted
34:31
Speaker 1: the same year and one pick before Jordan Addison.
34:36
Speaker 2: Yep, Now, Zay Flowers, we've got it pulled up here,
34:40
Speaker 2: and maybe we can even like put these stats, oh
34:43
Speaker 2: for sure on the screen. I don't know, that's it.
34:45
Speaker 2: I always do that. I ask you to, like, hey,
34:47
Speaker 2: maybe you can just produce a little bit more here
34:50
Speaker 2: just because you had a random when.
34:52
Speaker 1: You screenshot yours? Do you want to do that?
34:54
Speaker 3: Yeah?
34:54
Speaker 1: Because you got new your computer over there.
34:57
Speaker 2: I did, Yeah, I joined the macworld. So we've got
35:01
Speaker 2: the stats again of Zay Flowers and Jordan Addison head
35:06
Speaker 2: to head in their careers in the NFL, and Zay
35:09
Speaker 2: Flowers on a lot of them just a little bit ahead.
35:12
Speaker 2: But it's not like he's, you know, a Hall of
35:17
Speaker 2: Famer while Jordan Addison should be cut right now. It's
35:19
Speaker 2: not that different, but it's it's say, Flowers is a
35:24
Speaker 2: little bit ahead, so we should be talking about how
35:28
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison might be looking to get an extension.
35:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to send that to you.
35:34
Speaker 3: I do.
35:34
Speaker 2: I was just trying to keep my brain going without.
35:37
Speaker 1: You're doing great. I just don't want to not have
35:40
Speaker 1: it and not be able to click the little share
35:42
Speaker 1: button at the top. Oh there we go, okay, and
35:45
Speaker 1: then text it to me and then I just did it.
35:48
Speaker 1: Of that's how easy MacBooks are. Man money, all right.
35:51
Speaker 1: Uh so, yes, Zay Flowers is in most respects better
35:59
Speaker 1: than Jordan Addison. But we talked about this. They play
36:04
Speaker 1: different roles on their teams, right, Zay Flowers is the
36:07
Speaker 1: wide receiver one, and he also kind of plays this
36:11
Speaker 1: like RB two and a half kind of role too,
36:14
Speaker 1: where he's kind of this like he's in the backfield
36:17
Speaker 1: quite a bit. And he definitely I.
36:19
Speaker 2: Mean he's got twenty seven rushes over three years, so
36:22
Speaker 2: it was that nine a year. Yeah, but more than
36:26
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison. Yeah, Jordan's got six rush attempts.
36:29
Speaker 1: And Jordan's stats are a little bit skewed because he
36:31
Speaker 1: had that one really big sixty five yard er what
36:34
Speaker 1: was it against the Lions.
36:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the Christmas game. That was like the game winner,
36:38
Speaker 2: so I think it was like sixty something yards. But importantly,
36:41
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison has six rushes for one hundred and three
36:44
Speaker 2: yards and I think sixty five of those were in
36:47
Speaker 2: that one rush.
36:48
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're skewed. There's a little bit of a
36:52
Speaker 1: mismatch there. But again, these two guys play different roles
36:56
Speaker 1: on their team. Jordan Addison is squarely in the wide
37:01
Speaker 1: receiver two category and he's not even in the running
37:05
Speaker 1: back no conversation. Really, he just gets thrown in there
37:08
Speaker 1: every once in a while. I wouldn't even consider him
37:11
Speaker 1: RB four, he's RB five, six, seven. I don't know.
37:15
Speaker 1: He's down the depth chart that way quite a way
37:18
Speaker 1: is where his A Flowers is a talented enough back.
37:22
Speaker 1: He's not one or two, but he's probably in that
37:25
Speaker 1: three to four conversation. Like if if things really got
37:28
Speaker 1: bad and they.
37:29
Speaker 2: Need like a gadget place, sure, I think you're putting
37:31
Speaker 2: a little weight on this with but I mean thirty
37:36
Speaker 2: rushes in three seasons. It's not nothing, But it's also
37:39
Speaker 2: not like anything. Defenses would be like, all right, we
37:42
Speaker 2: need a game plan for it.
37:43
Speaker 1: But there he's there, a fourth stringer that's getting more
37:46
Speaker 1: attempts than z A Flowers. Very true, he's an athlete.
37:49
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. Is he's athletic enough
37:53
Speaker 1: that he can carry the ball out of the backfield
37:55
Speaker 1: and generate enough speed and get away from enough guys
37:59
Speaker 1: that he can general at yardage, which is what you
38:01
Speaker 1: want all of this to say. We're wasting time squabbling
38:06
Speaker 1: about whether or not he's a true running back. I
38:09
Speaker 1: think the point here is Zay Flowers is a good athlete,
38:13
Speaker 1: and he's a good wide receiver. He's marginally better than
38:18
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison. I think he's definitely nowhere close to Justin Jefferson.
38:22
Speaker 1: In fact, we pulled up a three way comparison, and maybe.
38:26
Speaker 2: I cannot even a fair comparison.
38:28
Speaker 1: I can flash that really quickly just to show like
38:34
Speaker 1: it's not a fair comparison for either of the other
38:37
Speaker 1: two guys except for Justin Jefferson, because he dominates in
38:41
Speaker 1: all categories except for the Russians track. But yeah, he's
38:47
Speaker 1: older than these guys by like what three or four years,
38:50
Speaker 1: Like he's been in the league a little longer, so
38:52
Speaker 1: he's had a little bit more time to pat his resume.
38:55
Speaker 1: But even then, I think if he were drafted at
38:57
Speaker 1: the same time as these guys, he would be still, yeah,
39:00
Speaker 1: two or three steps ahead of these these other two.
39:03
Speaker 2: So but most importantly is Jay Flowers doesn't have a
39:08
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson ahead of him on the depth chart like
39:10
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison does. Also, Jay Flowers hasn't missed three games
39:15
Speaker 2: due to a suspension for you know, being drunk at
39:19
Speaker 2: the wheel. So there's a couple of things. But I
39:23
Speaker 2: will say Jordan Addison and Jay Flowers, as far as
39:26
Speaker 2: wide receivers go, they're really close, and probably close enough
39:31
Speaker 2: that Jordan Addison's camp is probably looking at this contract
39:36
Speaker 2: that Jay Flowers just signed four years, one hundred and
39:38
Speaker 2: forty million dollar extension on top of what's still left
39:41
Speaker 2: on his rookie deal, and Jordan Adison's camp is probably thinking, like,
39:45
Speaker 2: all right, that's the neighborhood Jordan should be in. So
39:49
Speaker 2: whether it's a little bit more, a little bit less,
39:51
Speaker 2: and I don't think the Vikings should pay that for
39:54
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. Two, I think of the Bengals, who
39:57
Speaker 2: have two of the best wide receivers in the league
40:00
Speaker 2: on their team, and they've paid them both in now,
40:03
Speaker 2: shoot Jamar Chase and is it t Higgins. Both of
40:08
Speaker 2: those guys are one hundred million dollar plus receivers. And
40:13
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison is probably in the territory. He probably arguably
40:18
Speaker 2: deserves a contract like what Jay Flower's got. But again,
40:21
Speaker 2: I don't think the Vikings should pay it, because they're
40:23
Speaker 2: already paying Justin Jefferson and Jay Flowers contract. He just
40:28
Speaker 2: signed same years and same dollar amount that Justin Jefferson
40:32
Speaker 2: signed a couple of years ago. So just that alone,
40:36
Speaker 2: say Flowers, Jamar Chase. There's been a handful of wide
40:39
Speaker 2: receivers that have signed new deals since Justin Jefferson signed
40:43
Speaker 2: his two seasons ago that are more than Jefferson's. And
40:47
Speaker 2: you know, Jefferson's looking and like, I'm better than that guy.
40:49
Speaker 2: I'm better than that guy. I'm better than that guy.
40:52
Speaker 2: I'm surprised we haven't seen it publicly already that he
40:55
Speaker 2: has said I need more money on this extension that's
41:00
Speaker 2: going to happen, and if that's going to happen, you
41:02
Speaker 2: can't pay Jordan Addison as well as good as he is,
41:05
Speaker 2: which I think he is pretty good. I just think
41:07
Speaker 2: the Vikings they've got him locked up contract wise for
41:11
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six and his fifth year option of twenty
41:14
Speaker 2: twenty seven. Now, players could always hold out and you
41:18
Speaker 2: never know when that could happen, but I think they should.
41:22
Speaker 2: The Vikings should look to trade Addison away if they
41:25
Speaker 2: can get a good deal before the start of next season,
41:28
Speaker 2: if they can do it even during this season, if
41:31
Speaker 2: it makes sense.
41:32
Speaker 1: And I think what's interesting about Jordan Addison is he's
41:38
Speaker 1: still on his rookie contract right and they they exercised
41:44
Speaker 1: the fifth year option on his rookie deal, so he's
41:49
Speaker 1: making four point three million this year roughly, and then
41:53
Speaker 1: it'll make eighteen million next year, which is.
41:56
Speaker 2: A good fifth year option.
41:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a good bump for a kid his
41:59
Speaker 1: age coming into the league on his first contract. To
42:04
Speaker 1: get that fifth year shows confidence that you're a good player.
42:10
Speaker 1: But I think you're right, not only because of Justin
42:13
Speaker 1: Jefferson casting this big shadow over the organization in terms
42:18
Speaker 1: of salary cap space, but you also have to consider
42:21
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison and the off the field issues. You know,
42:25
Speaker 1: like there are certainly teams out there that will snatch
42:29
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison up right away. Oh yeah, as a wide
42:33
Speaker 1: receiver one even.
42:35
Speaker 2: And we've been saying that for a while, yep.
42:37
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll look back fondly on the five
42:42
Speaker 1: years that we got with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison
42:44
Speaker 1: and you know, the the drunk driving and all that
42:49
Speaker 1: other stuff, all that behind, Like we'll look fondly on
42:52
Speaker 1: these years and be like, man, those are some good years.
42:56
Speaker 1: And Justin Jefferson is only going to get more and
42:58
Speaker 1: more expensive, especially if he continues to play at the
43:01
Speaker 1: level that he's played, which I don't think anybody expects
43:04
Speaker 1: him to take a downturn. And you know, we've only
43:07
Speaker 1: seen positive things out of him in his camp. He
43:10
Speaker 1: keeps just saying all the right things we've been seeing,
43:13
Speaker 1: Like he's working with all these young kids and he's
43:16
Speaker 1: coaching them essentially, like he's doing camps and stuff and
43:19
Speaker 1: like giving them feedback. And I don't know what he's making,
43:22
Speaker 1: and I don't know if there's money attached to all that.
43:24
Speaker 1: There might be, but he's just doing all the right things,
43:30
Speaker 1: and he's going to be I don't know, before Justin
43:34
Speaker 1: Jefferson has done, he'll be almost a two hundred million
43:37
Speaker 1: dollar guy.
43:39
Speaker 2: Oh, career wise, career wise, probably well easily. I think
43:42
Speaker 2: he's already at like eighty something, yeah, almost ninety cash
43:46
Speaker 2: that he's made. Yeah, he he's got at least one
43:50
Speaker 2: more big contract contract. And that's part of why I'm
43:55
Speaker 2: saying the Vikings can't pay Jordan Madison, because if they're
43:58
Speaker 2: going to have any hope of paying Justin Jefferson, I don't.
44:02
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have to pay Jefferson before his
44:04
Speaker 2: contract is up. I think he's with the Vikings currently
44:10
Speaker 2: through the twenty twenty eight season, and his contract has
44:13
Speaker 2: a void year in twenty twenty nine, so they'll need
44:18
Speaker 2: to pay him before twenty twenty nine season, and I
44:22
Speaker 2: think it'll be even before then. I think at some
44:25
Speaker 2: point Jefferson's gonna be like, all right, guys, hey it's now.
44:28
Speaker 2: And it could be next offseason he could say like,
44:31
Speaker 2: all right, it's time, Like all these other receivers have
44:34
Speaker 2: signed bigger deals than me, and I get When he
44:37
Speaker 2: signed his deal, he was the highest paid non quarterback
44:40
Speaker 2: in NFL history. But now that has changed. These deals
44:44
Speaker 2: change all the time, like somebody leap frog's another guy
44:47
Speaker 2: ten minutes later. But it's not unrealistic to think that
44:51
Speaker 2: Jefferson in a respectful way will come to the Vikings
44:54
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, Nolan Teasley and his agents will
44:58
Speaker 2: go and say, like, Jefferson's worth more than this the
45:02
Speaker 2: contract or the cap, the salary cap has gone up
45:05
Speaker 2: more like it needs to. You need a new deal now,
45:08
Speaker 2: and you just can't do that if you also give
45:11
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison one hundred and forty million dollar contract that
45:14
Speaker 2: somebody will probably give him now. Jordan Addison, he's never
45:17
Speaker 2: had a thousand yard season, which say Flowers has had
45:20
Speaker 2: two of them in three years. And you could say
45:26
Speaker 2: that's because of all the reasons we've already listed out,
45:28
Speaker 2: justin Jefferson's ahead of him. Jordan Adison missed a few
45:31
Speaker 2: games due to suspension. There's been a varying amount of
45:36
Speaker 2: quarterback play level in Jordan Addison's career. But yeah, I
45:41
Speaker 2: think the best thing for the Vikings would be to
45:45
Speaker 2: get the trade value out of him before it's too late, because,
45:49
Speaker 2: like I said, his fifth year option is twenty twenty seven.
45:53
Speaker 2: I think Jordan Addison would hold out. He's not gonna
45:55
Speaker 2: especially if he has a decent year in twenty twenty
45:58
Speaker 2: six with the Vikings. I don't think he's gonna sit
46:01
Speaker 2: there and be like, all right, I'm gonna play even
46:03
Speaker 2: though my value is here, probably thirty million dollars a year,
46:06
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play on the cheap because that's what the
46:09
Speaker 2: contract said.
46:10
Speaker 1: And there's really no other option too, Like, it's not
46:14
Speaker 1: like you can move on from Justin Jefferson and just
46:19
Speaker 1: be okay with Jordan Addison as your wide receiver. One
46:22
Speaker 1: like Jordan Addison will still demand a high dollar and
46:27
Speaker 1: you'll get quite a bit probably in trade value from
46:31
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson if you move on from him. But I
46:33
Speaker 1: don't think anybody wants to move on from Justin Jefferson.
46:37
Speaker 1: I don't think any fan in their right mind wants
46:39
Speaker 1: to move on, Nor do any of the executives in
46:43
Speaker 1: the front office at the Vikings want to move on
46:45
Speaker 1: from him.
46:46
Speaker 3: Don't.
46:46
Speaker 2: And importantly, it sounds like we've never heard anything from
46:49
Speaker 2: Jefferson to say that he corrects to move on correct.
46:52
Speaker 1: So I think the only sensible option is to move
46:55
Speaker 1: on from Jordan Addison. Yes, it's kind of like this,
46:59
Speaker 1: like Randy Moss Chris Carter type of tandem that you
47:02
Speaker 1: had for a while and it was great, but all
47:07
Speaker 1: good things must come to an end. And yeah, I'm
47:11
Speaker 1: in agreement with you on this. I think you get
47:13
Speaker 1: the trade value out of him, possibly even at this
47:17
Speaker 1: point next year or before, like before he's got that
47:21
Speaker 1: fifth year option and before he holds out in camp
47:24
Speaker 1: and stuff like you just you try to avoid the
47:27
Speaker 1: drama and you try to get you try to maximize
47:29
Speaker 1: what you can for him. And yeah, maybe bring in
47:32
Speaker 1: some young talent that you can develop behind Justin Jefferson
47:35
Speaker 1: and allow Justin Jefferson to like coach up and bring
47:39
Speaker 1: up a little bit.
47:40
Speaker 2: Now importantly you just mentioned it behind Justin or behind
47:43
Speaker 2: Jordan Adison, maybe that young talent's already on the roster.
47:47
Speaker 2: Maybe if oh, shoot, what's his name? Number thirteen?
47:52
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that.
47:52
Speaker 2: Why can I not think of his name right now?
47:56
Speaker 2: This is so dumb. But anyways, second year wide receiver.
47:59
Speaker 2: He was a third pick last year. If he turns
48:02
Speaker 2: into something, you know, ty Felton, My goodness, I'm so embarrassed.
48:07
Speaker 2: But yeah, if ty Felton has a twenty twenty six
48:10
Speaker 2: that makes you think, like, all right, he could be
48:13
Speaker 2: wide receiver two. Then that makes getting, you know, moving
48:16
Speaker 2: on from Jordan Addison a little bit easier. If Juwan
48:20
Speaker 2: Jennings comes and has a He's only signed through one
48:24
Speaker 2: season this season with the Vikings, But maybe Juwan Jennings,
48:28
Speaker 2: if he has a decent year and after this year
48:32
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, I'd like to stay in Minnesota. He's
48:36
Speaker 2: not going to get thirty million dollars a year. He'll
48:38
Speaker 2: be cheaper than that. So maybe he's a six year.
48:40
Speaker 1: Guy, and you know, he's only a few years older
48:43
Speaker 1: than Jordan Addison.
48:44
Speaker 2: So so if if we have a year where Juwan
48:46
Speaker 2: Jennings and ty Felton both look ready to hold up
48:52
Speaker 2: the spot that Jordan Addison would leave, then that makes
48:56
Speaker 2: it a little bit easier to say, all right, thank you,
48:58
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison, We're just not gonna pay you anymore, so
49:03
Speaker 2: go enjoy success elsewhere. But that is important.
49:07
Speaker 1: Now.
49:07
Speaker 2: It is tough. If Jordan Adison has a great year
49:10
Speaker 2: and Juwan Jennings and type Felton nobody else has shows anything,
49:16
Speaker 2: then that's a tough decision, because what are you gonna
49:18
Speaker 2: do get rid of Jordan Adison and then draft a
49:21
Speaker 2: wide receiver in the first round when you might need
49:24
Speaker 2: a quarterback or you never know. It makes it difficult.
49:28
Speaker 2: It makes me happy that we are not Nolan Teasley
49:31
Speaker 2: and have to make these decisions. But that is one
49:34
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on, and one at a skill
49:36
Speaker 2: position that is really flashy. So it's gonna get a
49:40
Speaker 2: lot of airtime. But yeah, good for his day Flowers
49:43
Speaker 2: getting that deal, and Jordan Addison will, unless he gets
49:48
Speaker 2: in trouble again, will probably get a deal very similar
49:51
Speaker 2: to that.
49:53
Speaker 1: You know what's not flashy but is really good?
49:55
Speaker 2: What's that?
49:56
Speaker 1: This beer?
49:57
Speaker 2: The Lunchable Pizza sauce beer.
49:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not flashy, like even though the can art
50:03
Speaker 1: isn't like super flashy. It's got this pizza on the
50:06
Speaker 1: front of it. And it says adventurous so adventuroso yep.
50:12
Speaker 1: It's hard to say adventuroso yep.
50:15
Speaker 2: Oh it's not even adventuros it's two v's instead of it.
50:19
Speaker 2: They were having fun with this one.
50:22
Speaker 1: And rightly so it's just kind of a sneaky good beer,
50:25
Speaker 1: Like I would not reach for this if I were
50:28
Speaker 1: buying the beer. And actually you texted me as I
50:32
Speaker 1: was driving home from work and you were like, I
50:36
Speaker 1: think it's my turn for the beer tonight. And then
50:38
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, you're going to get the
50:41
Speaker 1: beers kind of headed that way, and I wasn't really
50:44
Speaker 1: that far, but I was like, well, if you're getting
50:46
Speaker 1: the beer, I'll spin around and go home. There you go,
50:49
Speaker 1: And you made a good choice. Number one and number two.
50:53
Speaker 1: Like I said, I would not have reached for this
50:55
Speaker 1: probably ever in my life. I would have looked at
50:58
Speaker 1: it and I've been like, it's interesting. That's why I
51:02
Speaker 1: got good and this interesting is a good way to
51:05
Speaker 1: describe it. But it's it's interesting in a good way.
51:08
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to finish two of them and I'm
51:11
Speaker 1: not gonna have any regrets.
51:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if this is one that
51:15
Speaker 2: I'll reach for time and again. I would have it again.
51:19
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, it's good.
51:21
Speaker 2: There's nothing bad about it. It's a unique flavor. And
51:25
Speaker 2: they they hit the flavor. They said they were going.
51:28
Speaker 1: Too, Yes they did. I have massive respect for that.
51:33
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
51:34
Speaker 2: The way I would encourage people to try this, I
51:36
Speaker 2: would gladly have this again, I don't Again, I don't
51:39
Speaker 2: know if I'm going out right now on my way
51:41
Speaker 2: home to buy some more to keep in the fridge
51:44
Speaker 2: and have all the time.
51:46
Speaker 1: But it's good. We should probably get some of the
51:48
Speaker 1: forest at some point.
51:50
Speaker 2: So that's I will have this again because I want
51:52
Speaker 2: to hand one.
51:53
Speaker 1: To forest needs to try one.
51:55
Speaker 2: You let me know what you think, law nor scale.
51:58
Speaker 2: Mm it it's not a you know, heavy deep flavor.
52:06
Speaker 2: It's not thick, but it's also not like citrusy. It's
52:12
Speaker 2: not super light, and there's refreshing qualities to it, but
52:17
Speaker 2: it's not like chugging a gatorade, you know what I mean,
52:19
Speaker 2: Like i'd give this like a six three.
52:25
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, it's actually a little higher than I
52:28
Speaker 1: thought you would go.
52:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a logger. It's light, it's refreshing, but it's
52:34
Speaker 2: not like a tart refreshing, super refreshing like I need.
52:40
Speaker 2: I could drink eight of these or even have one
52:43
Speaker 2: in the shower after.
52:44
Speaker 1: The line or double fisting action.
52:50
Speaker 2: It's it's an option there, but it's also the flavor
52:54
Speaker 2: is such I'm not gonna want to, like, you know,
52:58
Speaker 2: open the lunchables. Peace to sauce packet, and you know
53:02
Speaker 2: down that right after the lawnmower. So I probably wouldn't
53:05
Speaker 2: want to do this right after the lawn.
53:07
Speaker 1: Didn't We didn't we start a shower beer scale. Didn't.
53:10
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about it.
53:12
Speaker 1: I feel like we did. I feel like a few
53:14
Speaker 1: episodes back, we started a shower beer scale because I
53:18
Speaker 1: talked to you about having a shower beer one time.
53:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we've definitely talked about that. Shower beers are
53:23
Speaker 2: one of the better beers to have, for sure. I
53:25
Speaker 2: don't know where I would put this on a shower
53:27
Speaker 2: beer scale.
53:28
Speaker 1: I would put it a little higher than a six
53:29
Speaker 1: point three, I think, so. I think it's at least
53:32
Speaker 1: a solid seven.
53:34
Speaker 2: On air production meeting. Yeah, I've got my lawnmower scale.
53:38
Speaker 2: I think from now on you just do the shower
53:39
Speaker 2: beer scale.
53:41
Speaker 1: This is a solid sece.
53:43
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well Adventures, thank you for making the
53:46
Speaker 2: pizza beer. This is surprisingly good. I I didn't get
53:52
Speaker 2: this as a joke, thinking like, oh, there's gonna be terrible,
53:55
Speaker 2: but I'm surprised at how much I like it.
53:57
Speaker 1: I've definitely gotten beers before or the podcasts that I'm like, oh,
54:02
Speaker 1: this is gonna be terrible, and they haven't been. Like
54:04
Speaker 1: the Crunchberry Sour from lion Bridge Brewery. That's a good beer,
54:08
Speaker 1: that's a super just a good beer. I thought, oh,
54:11
Speaker 1: this is gonna be terrible, and then we drank it
54:13
Speaker 1: and it was amazing.
54:14
Speaker 2: I don't I'm trying to think of the last time
54:16
Speaker 2: I had it, because I've had it away from the
54:17
Speaker 2: podcast too. We had it there, you had it there,
54:21
Speaker 2: I got something.
54:22
Speaker 1: Else Brew Hop one. I think we went there.
54:25
Speaker 2: We also, I think we failed a little bit this year.
54:27
Speaker 2: We didn't do a three point zero.
54:30
Speaker 1: There's still time.
54:31
Speaker 2: There's still time. We're running out of time.
54:34
Speaker 1: There's still time. We can do a local brew tour.
54:37
Speaker 2: You know that that might be the play, all right,
54:40
Speaker 2: ev I think we've beat the quarterback talker to death.
54:46
Speaker 2: I think we danced around the Jordan Addison talker quite enough.
54:53
Speaker 2: And we've we've had ourselves a couple of slices of
54:56
Speaker 2: delicious pizza beer. Where can people find us?
55:01
Speaker 1: Just google us, just find us out there the school hop.
55:05
Speaker 1: Just do it right now, Austin's doing I'm doing it
55:08
Speaker 1: just to see on his new computer, his new MacBook.
55:12
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it just and maybe that's my browser just
55:17
Speaker 1: did it, but right to our schoo hop and it
55:19
Speaker 1: just went to our website, which needs to be updated.
55:22
Speaker 1: It does, but type in the school hop in your
55:26
Speaker 1: browser or your search engine or whatever, and you'll find us.
55:31
Speaker 1: We're probably like one hundred or so episodes behind on updating.
55:36
Speaker 2: The most recent episode on our website is sixty eight,
55:40
Speaker 2: So we're getting there. Well, maybe we need like a
55:42
Speaker 2: college intern to be like, hey, if you want something
55:45
Speaker 2: to be proud of, just take our website and clean
55:48
Speaker 2: it up, and then you can turn it as a
55:50
Speaker 2: project and then we.
55:51
Speaker 1: Just get to keep it there you go, or we
55:53
Speaker 1: just bail on that part of the website altogether and
55:56
Speaker 1: we just like just go to YouTube or Spotify because
55:58
Speaker 1: that's where you go for podcast Anyways, we're pretty much everywhere. Like,
56:03
Speaker 1: as long as podcasts are out there, we're probably there.
56:06
Speaker 1: We'll confirm that at some point. I don't think we are.
56:08
Speaker 2: I think we were, but then something happened, probably about
56:11
Speaker 2: episode sixty eight. I think it's about when we stopped
56:15
Speaker 2: putting it every.
56:16
Speaker 1: Well, if you stopped listening to us and you're just
56:19
Speaker 1: now tuning back in, and we appreciate you and let
56:21
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56:24
Speaker 1: physical location, but also the platform you're on. That'd be
56:28
Speaker 1: nice to know. Just give us a little a little
56:33
Speaker 1: recon on how we can continue to reach our audience.
56:37
Speaker 2: Ye like and subscribe while you're there and leave a review.
56:39
Speaker 2: That'd be great. Also, if you want merch, we do
56:42
Speaker 2: have teapublic dot com slash the skull hop. You can
56:45
Speaker 2: find some merch there. We got a couple designs, and
56:49
Speaker 2: I feel like we should put up some more designs
56:51
Speaker 2: this summer this season.
56:53
Speaker 1: As long as they don't get taken down.
56:55
Speaker 2: We just can't use the Vikings official logos.
56:58
Speaker 1: We didn't. I don't think.
57:02
Speaker 2: We did.
57:04
Speaker 1: Sorry, Vikings, Well, I feel like they're used to it
57:08
Speaker 1: by now.
57:08
Speaker 2: I don't know they don't. They didn't seem to like
57:10
Speaker 2: it too much.
57:11
Speaker 1: People mooch off of them all the time.
57:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like who was it? Marcus Davenport mooched off
57:17
Speaker 2: the team a couple of years ago. He got a
57:19
Speaker 2: cool ten thirteen million, just.
57:21
Speaker 1: Laid on the Davenport and collected thirteen million dollars.
57:24
Speaker 2: All right, Well, since you said Davenport, I think it's
57:27
Speaker 2: time for us to sign off. Evan This was a
57:30
Speaker 2: great episode, surprisingly good beer best episode.
57:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might say school School, I think, I think.
58:04
Speaker 1: I.
58:07
Speaker 2: Think, I think, I think, I think, I think I think.
58:18
Speaker 3: I think I think. I think, I.
58:28
Speaker 1: Think, I think, I think, I think
58:36
Speaker 3: I think, I think